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00;00;00;00 - 00;00;23;21
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What is up, fellas, in Timor. We hope you're listening to this on incognito mode because it's time to sun the taint and cup the balls. Today's episode is just for the boys. But if our past broadcasts have got you questioning anything about yourself, you are free to stick around. As always, this is super despair world coming back raw with dick in hand, fully torqued and ready to pod all over the place.
00;00;23;21 - 00;00;49;08
Unknown
Another week. I say this, I say this every week. But today, today's show is a real doozy. This this might just be the most psychic damage I've taken during the hour. Like little pre-recording research session, which says something considering it was just two episodes ago when we were reading a fucking schizo post from Wizard Chan. Dave, I don't think the fellows are doing all right.
00;00;49;08 - 00;01;29;02
Unknown
What are we talking about today? Yeah, so we're talking about men's health, but in, in a very distinct way, like there are, there are a few things that men have gotten into these days, which are, which are a little suss, I would say. And NoFap is among one of them. And that's a thread that we're going to start with, and it's going to lead us down a very slippery lube covered slope to to a lot of really fun and interesting conclusions.
00;01;29;03 - 00;01;50;16
Unknown
Yeah, we are going somewhere in some very somewhere very dark, somewhere very meaty, somewhere very raw. When we talk, I think I think a lot of the discourse about men in general on the Internet the past year or two has been it's been all about the the podcasters, the dating, the the Andrew tape kind of stuff. But we're going back a little bit further.
00;01;50;16 - 00;02;18;25
Unknown
We're going somewhere a bit darker, a bit more fucked up, and we're talking about some things. They're like a bit more concerned with like just health and like ways to, to improve, to achieve this like idea of wellness in general. So I guess we're talking about men's on wellness today. Before, before we are we often just want to do a little bit of upkeep on the show, just a small announcement.
00;02;18;27 - 00;02;41;21
Unknown
If this is the most recent episode up at the moment and it's not ready yet, but by next week, next episode, we are going to be opening a Discord server for the show. So look forward to that. Ooh, baby, get in on the ground floor. Yeah. We have some plans for the discord in the future. It's going to be totally open.
00;02;41;21 - 00;03;02;22
Unknown
We're just going to have a little link to join that under next episode. Come in, get in on the ground floor, Be one of the the cool energy is be there before we we blow up. Hopefully just look forward to that. It'll be a lot of fun. Yeah and you can talk to us for real this time. Yeah.
00;03;02;22 - 00;03;32;02
Unknown
And I'll actually show you love and affection. Unlike my unlike when I just pretend to do that in the comments. Yeah. Unlike my bitchy ex wife. Am I right? Yeah. Women. Am I right? Let's get them out of here. Yeah. All right. Okay, so we are. We're going down a deep, dark rabbit hole. As I said, this this a lot of different, like, wellness movements, wellness coaches for men online.
00;03;32;05 - 00;03;58;06
Unknown
They have all these these these solutions, these these lifestyle choices and products that that you can get in on to supposedly make your life better. And as is a big theme with a lot of the people we talk about on the show, a lot of them will promise like easy solutions, They will point out very real and correct problems, but their solutions are not so great.
00;03;58;08 - 00;04;23;28
Unknown
And one of them we want to start off with is this whole this whole NoFap movement, which was it's been it's been big on Reddit for many years. You've probably heard the the term NoFap before. But but let's let's pack into it. It feels like this comes up around like every November, every everybody does the the meme, the the nofap November thing where you don't look at porn, you don't you don't rub one out for an entire month.
00;04;23;28 - 00;04;58;03
Unknown
For some reason. I think some people take that further and they make it a whole lifestyle choice. So like, fuck, what's, what's that about? Dave Yeah. So NoFap November is usually followed by destroyed dick December. So, so you know, like it we all seek balance in this life as as human beings. But I actually just had the idea maybe this is a bad idea, but I'm on the nofap Reddit right now.
00;04;58;09 - 00;05;18;00
Unknown
I have it open to Yeah. And they have an introduction which I have not read. And this this is going to be something that we never do on the show alive. React to this. So if you will indulge me, Breyer, I'm going to read this introduction, maybe just the first paragraph, because this is kind of kind of long.
00;05;18;00 - 00;05;39;29
Unknown
But yeah, let's let's, let's, let's crack open a cold one together. Yeah, let's crack open a cold one and read about the introduction to NoFap. All right, I'm ready. All right. No NoFap with the registered symbol on. I don't. I don't. I don't think they actually I don't think it's actually a registered trademark, so don't worry, guys. We're.
00;05;40;02 - 00;06;28;27
Unknown
You're fine. NoFap truly belongs to all of us. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's creative comments is a moderated community centered a website that hosts challenges in which users quote unquote fap astronauts abstain from pornography and masturbation for a period of time, often referred to as rebooting. This is NoFap Subreddit hosted right here on reddit dot com. Yay. Whether your goal is casual participation in a monthly rebooting challenge as a test of self-control or whether excessive pornography use has become a problem in your life and you want to quit for a longer period of time, you will find a supportive community and plenty of resources here.
00;06;28;29 - 00;06;55;27
Unknown
I don't think the second paragraph is is necessary to talk to. It's probably, I think, the necessary thing to bring up below that paragraph is that there are 1.1 million members of this subreddit and 716 of them are online, right? Yeah, that is that is wild. That is wild. Yeah. This man, this this has been going on for a very long time.
00;06;55;29 - 00;07;19;23
Unknown
Reddit's fucking layout sucks nowadays, so I can't see how old the subreddit is, but I know this. This is basically been a thing for as long as Reddit has. If the term fap strewn did not give away that something here is a little a little weirdly age stuff. Yeah. The the the I kind of over here is an astronaut to I don't know if he's Yeah.
00;07;19;29 - 00;07;40;25
Unknown
It's just a it's just a regular astronaut image. I wonder I wonder out I wonder if we're seeing a different thing because on my end there the little subreddit icon looks like a, like a rocket like blasting off like, like a NASCAR logo or something. Which funny imagery. I get it. I see what they did there. yeah.
00;07;40;27 - 00;07;59;26
Unknown
See, I have like the old layout on I this is my Reddit troll account when I used to think doing that was funny. So you can set it in your settings to have the old layout. If you if you really want to. But let's just like, not you. Yeah no I'm, I'm on, I'm on the horrible new Reddit, so.
00;07;59;26 - 00;08;22;07
Unknown
Well well, that's fine. We've got this covered from all angles. Yes. Yeah. So this is intentional. This was intentional. Absolutely. So so where we want to begin, there are some there are some fucking weird trends I've noticed on this, on this subreddit. But one thing that that stood out to me was just the moment I opened this subreddit for the first time to do our little like research for this episode.
00;08;22;09 - 00;08;49;28
Unknown
The very second post I saw was very telling and also very Reddit. It's this meme of maybe you've seen it of this, this meme image where like a giant fucking like wave, like a like a cloud, like a sandstorm. It's just it just encroaching over this little suburban town. And somebody has edited this cloud to look like the the doge meme and it's labeled happiness and the town it's encroaching on and says you on nofap.
00;08;49;28 - 00;09;10;24
Unknown
And I'm like, God. Okay, I see. I see what we're in for here. This person has a badge. It's 40 days clean, 40 days without jerking the gherkin as it urges folks, make sure if you own a gun, make sure to keep it locked up, because I'm already like, we are we we're less than 10 minutes into this episode and I'm feeling some some darker.
00;09;10;25 - 00;09;35;15
Unknown
Just come over me. I'm not talking about masturbating. I'm I'm I'm I'm. I'm still looking at the abstract image. Do you think do you think astronauts jack off on the SS? I mean, if I was if I was on the the ISIS, I would definitely like, think about it. Like I would got to know. But like, man, like somebody must have, right?
00;09;35;18 - 00;10;04;04
Unknown
Yeah, but I'm just thinking like there's no gravity. It's like it's going to be it's going to be harder to clean up. Do they have like a, like a fucking master that NASA's like space certified like fleshlight or something? How does that work? Do you think that's why the the USSR didn't meet didn't get didn't get to the moon first there was just some some guy Jack and off in space I feel like I feel like Soviet astronauts would be more disciplined.
00;10;04;04 - 00;10;27;26
Unknown
I feel like they would keep it in their pants. That's why that's why the Soviets got most most the space race achievements first, because they were they were like more disciplined. They achieved their dreams. They they didn't fap in there. They weren't fat. They weren't fat nuts. Right, right. Well, that's why the Americans spent all this money making a pen that worked in space and they just use a pencil.
00;10;27;28 - 00;10;48;03
Unknown
Yeah, that's actually not true. Well, I heard that was defunct. I think it was like, yeah, they did have a pencil, but like, it had some problem with the graphite. It was like magnetic or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's better. But yeah, whatever. Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's keep it in our pants as they say in nofap. Yeah.
00;10;48;03 - 00;11;14;18
Unknown
Right. Let's not get derailed here. We're talking about a serious topic. So there's this a couple trends here. I noticed. I saw it. Bye bye. A lot of the top post. I will say I'm seeing a lot of posts. They're like, boy, I'm I'm three days clean, I'm four days clean, and I'm seeing a lot less posts like, I'm I'm a hundred I'm 200 days clean, which tells me that a lot of people are not long for this lifestyle.
00;11;14;24 - 00;11;50;02
Unknown
It seems more aspirational than something people are actually achieving. Well, aspirational. You could also say this is this is like a very self-loathing type of thing. I mean, these people, they're definitely participating in something where they really need to regulate their behavior, like very seriously. And yeah, from from what I looked at in here, they don't seem to be thriving, let's just say.
00;11;50;04 - 00;12;09;22
Unknown
Yeah, I see. I see a lot of things. So one thing I see a lot is like, man, a lot of the guys in here are like fucking 19, 20, 21 years old, like just going to college. And I'm like, Man, I feel bad for you. Like, I understand if you're a younger person and it's like, we're both in our thirties, so younger to us, it's like relative to that.
00;12;09;22 - 00;12;35;09
Unknown
But if you're a younger person, I get it. The world is growing up fucking sucks. The world is complicated. I don't expect everybody to have their like, sexuality completely like figured the fuck out by that age. But like, man, I cannot imagine going through through like high school and college with, with this amount of, like, crazy guilt about something as, like, innocuous about just like, jerking it a few times a week, you know?
00;12;35;13 - 00;13;05;17
Unknown
Yeah, for sure. For sure. In end, from what I've seen on here, like, I think there's a bunch of people on here who are just like, they just have some sort of internalized guilt about jacking off. And I think there are a, let's say, a non-zero number of people who have like a legitimate porn addiction. And this is actually like interfering with their day to day life.
00;13;05;23 - 00;13;25;26
Unknown
Yeah, absolutely. So like the first big pillar of men's of men's wellness culture online that we wanted to talk about today is this this idea of guilt because this is something I see a lot and I have a few posts that I cued up because I was like, boy, this is this is really telling. And I'm going to read the title of this one one post.
00;13;25;26 - 00;13;49;20
Unknown
I found, which kind of illustrates this very clearly. This hell, this post says Fucking relapsed as, quote, punishment. I'm now going to run three miles at the park, which is a terrible start. I saw that. Yeah, it goes on. It goes on to say, which is what I should have done in the first place. But I was weak.
00;13;49;23 - 00;14;16;28
Unknown
I peaked, then I edged, then I browsed, wasted 2 hours of my fucking life, trigger loneliness, feelings, sadness, shame, self disappointment or next time rushed to the subreddit. The moment I feel lonely in mine remind myself that the little bit of pleasure from fapping is not worth dealing with the aforementioned emotions. As ashamed as I am, I am posting this so that I can prevent others from being in the boat.
00;14;17;06 - 00;14;45;18
Unknown
This shit sucks if you're battling urges right now and thinking about peeking aging all caps in bold. Don't do it, bro. Yeah, I mean, that's probably I mean, so. So there's a couple things here in, like, all right, see the telling thing? Trigger loneliness. Okay, We can all relate. Feeling sadness, shame, self disappointment. That's. That's something we can talk about.
00;14;45;21 - 00;15;13;10
Unknown
The one thing, though, is like, 2 hours of my fucking life. Like, Yeah, I guess that's a common thread with this is. Yeah, like 2 hours. But what? Yeah, you know, I've thought long and hard, no pun intended, about how much I want to reveal about my, my sexual proclivity is on this, this public podcast that we record.
00;15;13;12 - 00;15;34;09
Unknown
But here's, here's the thing that, that I noticed in my own life, which is if I, if I'm just trying to get off and it takes me longer than like 20 minutes, I start looking in where it's like, am I am I feeling depressed? Like, what's wrong? Yeah, why is this not working out? For sure? For sure. I don't know if I've ever gone 2 hours with a partner before.
00;15;34;09 - 00;15;52;04
Unknown
So what? Like, what are you doing for 2 hours solo? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I can imagine for some people, maybe they're just, like, clicking through Pornhub and they're like, okay, just just one more page or like, just five more pages, and then I'll find the right video. They just need the ultimate. The ultimate video, Yeah.
00;15;52;04 - 00;16;11;25
Unknown
And then then you find yourself with like 18 tabs open and you're on like page 57 of Pornhub and you still you're still on Tonya. And it's like, okay, I got it. If you have like a like a what do they call it, like erectile dysfunction or something. But I don't think most young people deal with that. You know, that's that's an old fellow kind of thing.
00;16;11;25 - 00;16;41;28
Unknown
Yeah, I, I don't think too many people here are dealing with Ed. I think it's. Yeah, like, that sounds to me like a porn addiction. Like they're, they're more obsessed with the mediums and the than the outcome. If, if you're, if you're picking up what I'm putting down. Yeah, for sure. It's like I just look at the, the, the language that this person uses to describe their own habits and how they talk about this need to, like, punish themselves.
00;16;42;04 - 00;17;13;14
Unknown
And this need to like, remain pure to this, like this ideal standard that they set forward without considering like do that that that standard is completely arbitrary. You're alone in your room. Nobody's going to fucking know. Right. Right in. I think I think that's a theme that we're going to keep going back to in this episode as a whole is like, obviously that's not really I'm not going to say that's not a productive use of your time, because that's not really the that's not really the theme of this.
00;17;13;14 - 00;17;45;10
Unknown
But I mean, obviously it's bothering this dude and they they feel like they are wasting two I mean, 2 hours in a day, especially if you have like a real job. Is it that significant to spend, to spend, to like browsing the hub? But it's it's it's not even necessarily that. I think it's just like this. I think a lot of people are very they're very dissatisfied with their life and what's going on with it.
00;17;45;10 - 00;18;13;13
Unknown
And they try to look for these discreet little tidy categories of like, well, why is my life not what I want it to be? Why is it going wrong? It's not it's not a myriad of factors, is it's not something it's not some overarching theme. It's just because I jack off too much, that's why. And if I just squash this, then I'll be a fucking super human, right?
00;18;13;16 - 00;18;32;07
Unknown
Yeah. And we're going to see we're going to see that theme played out even more once we get into the semen retention. Guys, if I wanted to start on the NoFap because I feel like this is more about about avoiding avoiding something that they feel guilty about, which is, which is different from the thing we're going to get into soon.
00;18;32;09 - 00;18;53;21
Unknown
I look at another post. This person writes that the title of this post is I Relapsed to Cook Porn and they go on to write as a person who never had a girlfriend, I relapsed to cut porn today. What the fuck is wrong with me? And can someone here please explain to me how this how is this bad and how is this going to affect me?
00;18;53;23 - 00;19;19;08
Unknown
They accidentally a couple words there and it's like, man, there, there. There are a couple things. I feel like there's one thing about porn addiction. A lot of people just consume like copious amounts of porn for like, whatever reason, like they just want a quick dopamine hit or something. But I also feel like while they're like, I'm not going to judge anybody for their fetishes, I also feel like there's their degree is to how extreme porn can be right?
00;19;19;15 - 00;19;38;24
Unknown
And I think it's telling of like an addictive personality thing going on when like, no, you can't get off to like the regular stuff anymore. And it has to be something like really extreme. Like, don't get me wrong. No, no. Hey, to all the all the cooks in our audience, I guess there's nothing wrong with that by itself.
00;19;38;24 - 00;20;01;16
Unknown
But we all use we all use Twitter here. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah. We're all we're all very online. We're all cooked by something. But yeah, it's this. It's like. It's like. It's like a dark tendency, right? Like, if you're not even, like, this person hasn't even had a girlfriend before, so, like, it's not like, they, they've actually experienced this thing in real life and that they just know that that's what they're into, right?
00;20;01;18 - 00;20;19;11
Unknown
It's like a thing that they've been pulled into. And I don't know, maybe, maybe for some people it's this like when you're already feeling ashamed of the porn you consume, you're like, Well, fuck it. I guess I'm just a bad person and I have to go all in on something like darker and heavier. You know what I mean?
00;20;19;13 - 00;20;41;26
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, like it's that's. That could be. I mean, I mean, like it's, it's probably pretty complicated. The mechanisms that go that go on with all of this shit. I mean, you could think of it as a gateway drug of like if you're just like, if you're just watching like the front page of Pornhub all the time.
00;20;42;02 - 00;21;12;13
Unknown
And in like if, if you're doing that all day, every day, that's going to start to get kind of boring. And that's like, All right, let's let's check out some fucking weirder shit. And I mean, you could say that that's the analogous to, you know, smoking a ton of weed and then suddenly you have a you have a crack pipe hanging out your mouth like I dirty I don't, I don't know if I would say we just like, like a gateway drug.
00;21;12;13 - 00;21;30;29
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying. I'm, I'm, I'm not saying that that actually happens, especially like today, I think propaganda. But I think back to this, this Twitter post I saw once where they were they were quoting this video from Tik Tok of this person that was like just like completely fucked. They had to get completely fucking stoned.
00;21;31;04 - 00;21;48;04
Unknown
They were heading up a bong in their cars to go out in town and do groceries for like 30 minutes or something. yeah, for sure. This person looked like fucking, like, filthy. They looked completely out of it. And I remember the the Twitter quote very clearly. It really sticks with me to this day where it was like, we need it.
00;21;48;04 - 00;22;10;13
Unknown
We need a word like Gooner to describe people who smoked too much weed. And I no, I hear mindset going on. I fully agree. And that's as a former pothead is and you know, like, it's like anything I used to enjoy party It's been spent it's been many years. But you know, I had some fun in high school and we'll see.
00;22;10;13 - 00;22;40;06
Unknown
That's the thing is like me and a lot of my a lot of my contemporaries who I'm still friends with, who I used to like in high school, early college and shit like smoke shit, tons of weed, none of us smoke anymore. And why we like we must have just like burnt ourselves the fuck out on that. And I mean, I guess that is an argument against the like gateway drug thing is like we weren't like, weed's not doing it for us.
00;22;40;08 - 00;23;12;21
Unknown
Let's get some fucking crystal that never that thankfully never happened. But yeah, I mean I, I guess it is the same type of thing, but, but yeah, on that note, like, no, I fully agree with that is in I guess that ties into what we were saying too in the sense of like there's, there's this kind of idea that like it's just like harmless or whatever and it's just like the executive is smoking weed.
00;23;12;21 - 00;23;40;01
Unknown
That's cool. But like, yeah, I mean, like there is such a thing as, like, smoking way too much fucking weed. Yeah, You know, I would say, I would say most of the well, okay, Pornhub is a pretty sketchy company. I will say most of the porn people are probably watching out there. It's pretty actually. I don't know. I can't I don't know if I can even say if it's like vanilla and normal anymore considering how popular fucking incest porn and that that stepbrother.
00;23;40;01 - 00;24;01;25
Unknown
I'm stuck in the laundry thing. No no it's just step brother. It's not a brother. It's a step brothers. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, okay, I got it. Felt like okay. Most, most people aren't probably like, getting off to the most hardcore pornography out there. A lot of porn. It's, like, just pretty innocuous, pretty vanilla, Just like two white people going at it for like 10 minutes or something.
00;24;01;27 - 00;24;21;28
Unknown
Who gives a shit? But at the same time, I'm not going to say like, like consuming a lot of content on Pornhub regularly. I'm not going to say that's like, completely harmless, right? Because like, I feel like, sure, it is probably going to passively warps some of your perceptions about like, you know what normal fucking sex between two people looks like.
00;24;22;00 - 00;24;59;19
Unknown
Well, I mean, we can draw we can draw parallels between that and just like Hollywood in general of just like, like the when people are watching teen dramas and I was talking about this with somebody recently, it's just like these are so removed from the actual lived experience of any normal human being on the planet. But I do think a lot of young people watch these shows and they're just like, Well, why isn't my life like that?
00;24;59;21 - 00;25;21;18
Unknown
Why isn't why isn't everybody in my school like hot and have some drama and everybody has everything figured out where you mean you're you're you're you're like childhood experience in high school wasn't like Riverdale. There was no, like, three murders every week in your town with, like, a cult and aliens and stuff. Well, no, there is three murders every week, but it was just like, gang related shit.
00;25;21;21 - 00;25;53;14
Unknown
I see. There are some murders in my high school. Yeah, it wasn't like vampires or anything. And my lawyers, it's just like some guy does. Some guy got shot for, like, dealing crack. Yeah, you know? Yeah. This. There's a lot to be said about, like, the whole. Like consumption of of media. And we can talk we can talk endlessly about how like, porn is kind of problematic, but but that doesn't quite get to the heart of like the, the weird shame and guilt that a lot of these, like, NoFap guys feel.
00;25;53;16 - 00;26;23;15
Unknown
Which brings me to this next post that I read where I don't have the the top post saved, but somebody was asking the NoFap community what they thought about. Like, okay, is it does it count as nofap if I just go to like a, like a sex worker, like an escort or something instead of consuming pornography? And it's like, okay, that's a good question because I guess, you know, that is actually having sex with another person, even if you like, paying them rather than just like jerking off to pornhub or whatever.
00;26;23;17 - 00;26;54;18
Unknown
But a lot of the responses, we're like overwhelmingly negative. Like no, that you should avoid that too. One one response that I saved here is this person goes on to say, Masturbation gives you a level five out of ten in depression and escorts give you a level 8 to 9.6 out of ten to be that close to companionship and then to see them turn it off after your time is up is truly the most depressing reality that drive home is a lonely one.
00;26;54;22 - 00;27;20;23
Unknown
And like, damn this, that hits kind of hard to do. You got a whole fucking like metrics scale here of depression levels, which. Right thought about it a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And I do. I do. I guess I agree with that. Like, it probably is the next level of like, I don't even think it's like necessarily porn addiction, although that's like one facet of it.
00;27;20;23 - 00;27;46;13
Unknown
It's just like sex addiction stemming from, from loneliness and like despair in a sense. And obviously neither of us are, you know, like addiction or mental health specialists. But but we play one on TV, so it's fine. We're podcasters, you can trust us. They wouldn't just let us go on air and say any old thing, right? True, true, true.
00;27;46;13 - 00;28;10;20
Unknown
Yeah. We we were licensed in, in American Samoa. But yeah, like, I don't know, like on, on one and like, I don't like, you know, people are free to do whatever the fuck they want in my eyes, you know, as long as you're not harming anybody. But yeah, and like, I support sex workers fucking do it. Do your thing.
00;28;10;22 - 00;28;39;26
Unknown
But like, these dudes obviously have an unhealthy relationship with anything related to sex. And that's a thing too is like, okay. Like, yeah, there's, they're, they're getting, they're getting sex workers and whatever, But also I think most of these people, if they had a partner, it would still be it would still be a thing. I think they just have I'm not going to say hang ups.
00;28;39;26 - 00;29;02;18
Unknown
That's not the right word. They just have some complexes surrounding sex and sexuality in general. Yeah. And, you know, I think a lot of people probably too, right? Like we could we could easily say like society, but like I mean, it is kind of a societal thing, right? At least like here in in North America. Right? Right. Audience is probably American Idol.
00;29;02;19 - 00;29;29;17
Unknown
A lot of people undoubtedly grew up with the whole like, Catholic guilt or like, like a Christian that absolutely kind of guilt over it. Just like, your body is supposed to be this, like, pure sacred thing and like, there are all these wrong ways that you can use it and interact with other people. And it's like, you've made like you're there's something like filthy and wrong with you on like a, like a metaphysical level and that, that really fucks up a lot of people.
00;29;29;17 - 00;30;00;19
Unknown
I don't know. Yeah, experience with that. But like, no, no, for sure. For sure. I mean a lot of this is based on this like puritanical or, upbringing, just like a culture that's been pervasive for quite a long time. And yeah, we're still really not over that as, as, as a society and culture. Yeah, a lot of the people on the NoFap subreddit, they talk about their problems in terms of they use the word addiction a lot.
00;30;00;21 - 00;30;21;26
Unknown
And I don't doubt that some of these people very much do have like a legitimate addiction to like sex or pornography or something like that. But I wonder like, okay, how many of the people using the word addiction are just like some confused 19 year old kid that like maybe addiction is the only word they have to to frame this like, behavior that they feel guilty about, Right?
00;30;21;29 - 00;30;52;21
Unknown
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And and how much of this is actually problematic and how much of this it which I have read some of the posts here in psych. Yeah that that definitely yeah this definitely seems like it's like it's becoming a problem in your life And then for some of these people it's like, yeah, I really think you just have this desire to be like a better than to be a super human.
00;30;52;24 - 00;31;23;15
Unknown
And you think that like, just, just rubbing one out to the hub is like something that is, is, is keeping you back from being like the the level one human that that you were destined to be. Yeah there's is an arbitrary mental image you have in your head of this person who's like better than you more successful than you like like a ghost of you're of another potential version of yourself that you've been seeing.
00;31;23;15 - 00;31;43;23
Unknown
And it's like, this, this could be you if you just got over this, this one bad habit. And the way I see this manifests a lot is that I see a lot of a lot of people in this country like shaming each other over, like they try to go on. They try to go on streaks, right. Like, I was I was clean.
00;31;43;23 - 00;32;20;09
Unknown
I was I was not masturbating for like 100 something days, but then I fucking relapsed and they they beat themselves up where it's like, okay, you still went a very long time without doing the thing you were trying to avoid. Like, a lot of people don't have that willpower to do anything in general. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. And that's the thing is, you know, if, if this was like some, like music or drawing community, it was like, I didn't draw, I didn't complete the like 30 days of making a make in a song or 30.
00;32;20;11 - 00;32;55;10
Unknown
I didn't do one yesterday. Those like, they'd be like, Yeah, for sure. But like they'd be like, I do the next one. Don't give up now. But like these people, like if you you have strayed from the light, but if you persevere it like it's weird. There's like very strange in, in connection to what we were talking about before, like very strange like religious overtones to a lot of this shit, which I find very sinister.
00;32;55;12 - 00;33;20;12
Unknown
Yeah, absolutely. And we're, we're, we're about to unpack that can of worms, which is religion and spirituality. But first, I want to read I want to read one more post from the The NoFap subreddit. Do it. The title goes relapsed hard after 123 days and this person goes on to write a deleted account. By the way, from just three days ago at the time of recording.
00;33;20;19 - 00;33;45;06
Unknown
So like I said, this is an active subreddit. This is. This is fresh. This is fresh meat. That we're biting into here, which might be a bit of foreshadowing for the rest of this episode. But as I said, reading this post, this person says the urges around day 120 are the worst I have ever had. I am disappointed in myself, but there's always something to learn from failure.
00;33;45;09 - 00;34;07;28
Unknown
I forgot how bad this addiction was. I didn't want I didn't even want to continue doing it while I was doing it. But I did it anyway in brackets. I do not watch porn, but I read erotic literature and perhaps I have a friction burn now in my skin. Peeled open. Embarrassing af. Great reminder why I embarked on this journey.
00;34;08;00 - 00;34;27;05
Unknown
I don't want to think of this as trying again because it took it took me so many tries and it would be deflating. So I'll think of it as continuing what I started. I'm sure my brain can't undo all of those benefits in a second. So I am determined and excited for this new attempt and that is most of the post.
00;34;27;05 - 00;34;46;18
Unknown
But there's there's a little edit addendum and I don't think you're ready for it. Okay, Go ahead. Okay. This person ends on this note. Edit some weird account counter. Send me pictures of random inappropriate girls and told me to quote, keep stroking. So if this is normal, I'm sorry for you all. And if it's not, then be warned.
00;34;46;20 - 00;35;27;27
Unknown
Never posting again lol. The dilemma that you. There's a there's a fucking like. Like a gooner. Like. Like splintering hair. Jesus Gooner. Lucifer More like then there's a war going on razor sharp. Just like. Like a fucking like the snake. Like slithering into the garden and setting poison right in place. And you know, if, if nofap. Lucifer, if you're listening to the pod right now, please email us Brier at Super Despair WorldCom or Dave at Super Despair WorldCom.
00;35;27;28 - 00;35;51;27
Unknown
You would love to have you on. Yes, please. Please get in touch with us, but don't touch us. Especially if you haven't wash your hands. Yeah, for first. For sure. For sure. But. man, this is so fucking funny to you. Yeah, that's. That's number one. I mean, like, erotic, like, Good for you. Good for you. That's a that's a cerebral favor.
00;35;52;00 - 00;36;17;10
Unknown
I respect the fuck out of that. Number two, bro, just buy some fuckin Astro glide, man. If you're. If you're Boston, you're your shit up. Like, just you have a friction. Burn on your dick and. Okay, I read. Okay. I have a friction burn now and my skin opens. What does that mean? What does it mean? The skin.
00;36;17;12 - 00;36;38;25
Unknown
I it's. It's probably just like. Like, like a brush burn, I guess. But it's like, dude, just buy some lube. You should not do that. Okay. You take is a piece of me, and you got to take care of it. You got to prepare it, right? It's. It's. It's. It's. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Take. Take care of all of your skin.
00;36;39;01 - 00;36;55;29
Unknown
That. That's no exception. Just come on. I said that was the last post, but also this one more. I just want to slip this in here because. All right, Mr. Bailey, just. Just reset. Just. Just on a bit of a lighter note before we move on to the next thing. Another post I saw. This is near the top, like the front page of NoFap.
00;36;56;01 - 00;37;17;03
Unknown
This person says, I made this masterpiece a year ago. It's still motivating me. Thanks a lot, NoFap community. And it's just like a movie and it like 3 minutes of I want to say Avengers end game. Yeah it's it it is. I actually did watch that because I watched like, the first minute of it because I don't give a shit about cape stuff.
00;37;17;04 - 00;37;39;05
Unknown
It's like, okay, It's like the scene where all these, like monsters and shit are like, flowing into the world and the monsters are labeled like depression, anxiety or whatever. And then, and then Captain America with it, with a broken shield. He he looks around and a Black Panther walks out of this this portal. And of course, Black Panther has the word nofap over his head.
00;37;39;07 - 00;38;04;26
Unknown
He's here to save the day. It's so appropriate to because it's a it's a it's a disheveled white man who's who's just so ready to jerk off. And then and then a handsome black man comes out of the mist and he's just like, Hey, I'm here. And he's just like, Fuck, yeah, yeah. He's. He came here all the way from Wayne kind of way.
00;38;04;29 - 00;38;33;19
Unknown
Yeah, I was. I was going to. Maybe we'll at that the title of this episode. Wayne Kinda. Forever. Yeah. that's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, I was. I was going to beat off, and then I remembered Avengers Endgame, and I just. I just remembered. What? Didn't he die? Rest in peace. My, my, the the guy who is the Black Panther.
00;38;33;22 - 00;38;53;12
Unknown
Yeah, that was. I want to say his name was, Chadwick Boseman. Yes. Chadwick Boseman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't he die of something like tragic disease like that? Something that. Yeah, like. Yeah. Shame. Shame about that. Yeah. but I won't talk at length about that cause I don't know, Marvel MCU stuff. I'm not. I'm not into me either.
00;38;53;14 - 00;39;14;29
Unknown
I will. Like, he was cool despite being in Cape shirt. So. So, yeah. All right, I, I hesitate to stay on this now because I don't want to reveal how little we know about Black Panther on this. The first episode of Black History Month. I don't want to disappoint our audience. yeah. It's it's not because we don't like black media.
00;39;15;02 - 00;39;35;06
Unknown
It's because anything in the MCU fucking sucks. Yeah, right. Okay. All right, let's let's. Let's get back on track here. Let's. Let's get the tech back in hand. Yeah, put it back. Put it back. So I want to say, moving on from NoFap, the thing about NoFap is a lot of these guys are very, like, ashamed. They're kind of down in the dumps.
00;39;35;06 - 00;40;06;10
Unknown
They feel bad about themselves and they feel like, okay, if I can avoid masturbating, then my problems will go away. But it's more of like an avoidance thing for them. And I want to move on to a different but adjacent community, which is the semen retention community online, where for them it's not just about avoiding like the feelings of shame and being down about porn, but they believe that there's like a metaphysical power to be had in like avoiding this one specific act.
00;40;06;10 - 00;40;35;15
Unknown
And it's, it's this is where things start to get weird. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, that's that's the second phase of this very bizarre thing. This, this very bizarre complex that people have about anything sexual is it goes from just like, hey, gunning for 7 hours is a problem in my life, which I hate. Okay. Fair, fair.
00;40;35;20 - 00;41;22;09
Unknown
And then it turns into something that's like, well, it's not only like I'm not spending 7 hours doing, it's that I'm actually like my my chakras in my cheek are, are being more centered by this fact. So, yeah, it gets dark. So so rather than a multitude of smaller posts like I had with NoFap, there's a single post and it's very big that I found on a subreddit called R slash Pure retention, which let me just say, whenever you're trying to make your life better, whenever you're feeling down in the dumps and you want to you want to find some solutions to your problems, when you see the word purity being thrown around, run
00;41;22;09 - 00;41;49;22
Unknown
okay, Those people do not have your best intentions at heart. This is a red flag. Beware of anybody who talks about this idea of like purity or like that you're unclean or that you just have to you just have to be pure and good. And it's it's going to get it's going to get uncomfortable here. Well, also, also, if you're getting life advice from our Reddit community, maybe, maybe rethink a couple of things as well.
00;41;49;24 - 00;42;15;23
Unknown
Yeah, you should only get life advice from trustworthy sources like podcasters like us, like super despair world. Yes, absolutely. So. So here's here's here's the post we're going to crack into. This post is called The mind boggling Power of Semen Retention. Most men are ignorant of and it's a repost from our escaping prison planet, which I think is like an Infowars adjacent.
00;42;15;23 - 00;42;40;19
Unknown
Like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Prison Planet is is the Alex Jones things, isn't it? Repost from our escaping prison planet. The comments are full of bots and Kumari sadly who didn't get the point on this. This post is tagged insight. Which. Which tells us something. Yeah. So I'm going to start reading this is this is a lot to to to crack into so so let's let's get right into it.
00;42;40;20 - 00;43;10;07
Unknown
This person writes random urge incognito tabs cum sock cheap dopamine post not guilt repeat the scent city a cycle is fucking over generations of men making them content with beer bellies, peasant wages, Netflix binges and sexless marriages Name a sadder tragedy than walking into your grave without realizing even 10% of your actual potential. And well, let me just say it is it is Black History Month.
00;43;10;07 - 00;43;39;29
Unknown
So chattel slavery. That sounds like a better, bigger tragedy to me. Yes. Yes. And the thing is, I mean, with with shit like that, there is there is always a grain of truth in there. I mean, on the on the surface. Yeah. We talk about this a lot. Like some people just like, go fucking mindless and just consume media and like they go through their day like, yeah, Netflix, endless Netflix binges are sexless marriages.
00;43;39;29 - 00;44;04;24
Unknown
What were the other ones They're scrolling Twitter certainly don't do that playing League of Legends don't don't start we we might we might have we might have had a little a little spat about that for recording. I don't listen I don't condone playing league of legends but it's yeah let's let's just let's just we'll talk about that League of Legends maybe somebody you know and care about.
00;44;04;24 - 00;44;26;28
Unknown
Maybe the the co-host of your own podcast. I rarely play the game. I rarely play. I play it with friends and we don't take it very seriously. Listen, this is this is this is this is my my come back for you busting my balls about playing gotcha games, which are just as bad. No, I'm not. I'm not busting your balls about gotcha games and busting your balls about genshin impact.
00;44;27;00 - 00;44;47;22
Unknown
I don't play against an impact. I play, I play, I play, honk. I stay real. Okay. okay. I'm sorry. I. Never mind. That's. That's fine. It's like. It's okay. Whatever. All let's let's get back on topic speaking speaking of of of anime girls in video games this person writes But but but beating my meat to girls is normal.
00;44;47;27 - 00;45;15;15
Unknown
Almost everyone does it. Almost everyone is mediocre. Why do you think we call successful men the top 1% and not everyone boozing, smoking, jacking off binge gaming, eating processed junk, any habit that keeps you mediocre. Our society has normalized stat of them all. Choking your chicken into porn is the worst evil you'll soon You'll soon see why by the end of this article.
00;45;15;17 - 00;45;35;11
Unknown
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to unpack there. First of all, I think there's a lot of hot girls out there. Their content fucking sucks. I think they're hot. I don't. I don't beat my meat to them. E girls are some of the best girls. And so, yeah, I mean there's they're also they're also very good at being E girls.
00;45;35;16 - 00;45;59;26
Unknown
Yeah yeah. I mean that's a it's a, it's a skill set and whether you choose to be a part of that or not is, is up to you. Nobody's forcing you to do that. But also, well boozing is cool. I don't, I don't eat a lot of junk food. And then it was, smoking. Yeah. Awesome smoke oozing smoking, jacking off binge eating, processed food, binge gaming.
00;45;59;26 - 00;46;21;11
Unknown
I've been playing a lot of chess lately. You ever play chess? I played chess briefly in like, I had, like, an after school club for in high school. I knew you were going to say that. I knew your outlook. No, it wasn't like a formal chess club. It was like one of the teachers was cool and we played board games occasionally in their class, like after after school school.
00;46;21;12 - 00;46;46;05
Unknown
Again, I think we all play chess. I played. I play chess against like three other people in that club, and they all knew how to play and I didn't. So I got very Yeah, it's, it's it's not it's not fun if your opponent how to play it like the thing about chess it's all about openings and if you don't know like basic chess theory, it's just not it's, it's not fun.
00;46;46;07 - 00;47;05;07
Unknown
The thing is I'm. My brain is too fucking like, ADHD rattled. So I chess is just kind of slow to me, but I get the appeal because I'm into fighting games, which are also kind of like chess, except it's like, yeah, crazy fast. So yeah, but that's I mean, everybody plays blitz now, so it's kind of it's kind of different.
00;47;05;15 - 00;47;26;20
Unknown
Yeah, I guess so. But whatever, we'll get into it. So you don't want to talk about chess, you want to talk about jacking off and stone? I thought this was a chess podcast. Well, we'll save that for a future episode. All right, All right, all right, fine, fine. I'm sorry I'm derailing this episode, so maybe we'll do, like, a gaming streamer.
00;47;26;21 - 00;47;48;15
Unknown
We'll either play chess or guilty care or chess, and you're one of those, so that could be fun. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. Yeah. So this person talks about, like, okay, they're they're propping up what we talked about before, which is this, like mental image of somebody who's successful and has their shit together, like, guys who who don't do these things, they're the 1%.
00;47;48;15 - 00;48;12;22
Unknown
They're the they the brave entrepreneur is the, the, the alpha guys who are like at the top of the pack. And the secret to getting there is, I guess, not masturbating any or something. Yeah. Right. Right in. Yeah, that's it's it all comes back to that of like this it's an insecurity thing and it's like how do I take control of my out of control life?
00;48;12;22 - 00;48;39;13
Unknown
It's just like, eat it all comes down to just, just self flagellation. It comes down to like, just, just stopping yourself from doing things that you like. And that is, that is and I think we'll talk about that a little bit later, but that is the end game of all of this shit is it's like, do you have have you had any pleasure today?
00;48;39;13 - 00;49;15;17
Unknown
Did you eat something delicious? No bad. That's not good. I would stop doing that. You shouldn't. You shouldn't eat food that tastes good. Did you have any pleasure? No. Stop doing that. You need to become like that. The top alpha supreme. Top of the line Male. And the only way to do that is from just like stopping yourself from doing anything fun or enjoyable or pleasurable and yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's a little bit strange.
00;49;15;19 - 00;49;38;28
Unknown
Yeah. So this post hasn't gone into anything spiritual yet, but when we see, when we see people frame things this way, it really ties into this. Like this is a very like Christian, like moralistic view of the world. Yeah, right. Like, yeah, it's like, yes, pleasure is bad guilt and shame to serve you. You have to, you have to you have all these duties you have to fulfill and you're a bad person if you fall short of that.
00;49;39;00 - 00;50;06;02
Unknown
Exactly. Exactly. It's it's guilt and shame based. That's that's all it comes down to. It's guilt and shame. And if you're enjoying yourself too much, it means you're doing something wrong. This person, The Post continues. They say the terrifying mental damage of masturbating to porn. The gods of evolution have wired us with one mission attract the most fertile mate possible and pass on your genes through your offspring.
00;50;06;04 - 00;50;28;21
Unknown
Ejaculation is a signal that you fulfilled your sexual imperative, so your body rewards you with a hormone cocktail that kills ambition and masculine drive. But your brain can't tell if it's to the pixels of Danny getting on the sink or the living, breathing gym hottie you took home. Repeat the for my day, repeat the former day in and day out.
00;50;28;28 - 00;50;52;27
Unknown
Your brain assumes you're a Genghis Khan reborn, spreading your seed an empire far and wide. And I'm like, okay, I don't I don't think that's how I like Gooners think of their activity. Well, I like the dichotomy. It's either it's either Danny from the gym or, whoa, what was the other one? No, I get to pixel, so I'm not going to read the.
00;50;52;29 - 00;51;15;11
Unknown
okay. Yeah. Danny's. Yeah, he references this Danny two or three times. I think she's like a porn star and the. that was like a hottie from the OC. It's either a hottie from the gym or, like, a porn. Like. Like a porn star. Yeah. That you're. That you're like. And it's like. I'm sure you've experienced one of those.
00;51;15;13 - 00;51;44;04
Unknown
I'm not. I'm not going to say which one, but let's continue. He says, Yeah, worse. Bombarding yourself with such hypersexualized illusions will make you view women as pairs of asses and tits than living, breathing human beings. While NoFap calls the psychological damage off of jacking off semen retention unlocks the incredible power of sexual energy as well. Which this there's we got to unpack this a little bit.
00;51;44;07 - 00;52;02;12
Unknown
First of all, when I whenever I hear some dude talk about like of the top the top 1% a guy that's all you can you can you can be a millionaire you can you can work hard you can you can grind and stuff. I'm like, okay, I don't want that person telling me to not view women as as pairs of asses and tits.
00;52;02;16 - 00;52;33;12
Unknown
Hilarious. There's no way I is not crazy like misogynist. That's that's exactly it. It is trying to frame it as like the the customer is objectifying women, whereas they do that in in every single axiom that they have. I mean, just like the thing that we talked about before that like are you going to are you going to not to Danny the girl or it's one sentence before he says that.
00;52;33;12 - 00;53;19;09
Unknown
Yes, exactly. Like that is the cognitive dissonance that these dudes have. And but they, like, they frame it in this, like, very bizarre way, which is like there is no cohesive minds at that these dudes actually have. It's really just like massive, massive insecurity and massive amounts of self-loathing. And the only way they can get through that is instead of like just becoming a normal fucking person and looking in words, they, they in a sense externalize that into, Well, all I have to do is like, stop jacking off and like, work out like this goes into, like, all of the shit that we're not really going to talk about tonight.
00;53;19;09 - 00;53;55;29
Unknown
The manosphere and the fucking pickup artists and all this fucking bullshit. It's it's really just externalizing all of this, like insecurity and trauma that you've had throughout your entire life. And instead of just saying, like, hey, like, maybe I should, like, think about myself in the way that I do things, and it's just like, no, all I need to do is hit the gym, stop jerking off and relearn how to talk to women and read these forum posts from a bunch of other like creepy, misogynistic fucking weirdos and like, get my fucking stacks up like that.
00;53;56;00 - 00;54;27;00
Unknown
That's really their mindset. And I don't really think any of these dudes are or ever will be successful in that endeavor, which is what I think at its core perpetuates this shit for so long. Because like so many of these, just keep pushing this shit and it eventually becomes a career for a lot of them because what the fuck else do they have to do with They don't have a fucking girlfriend.
00;54;27;02 - 00;54;47;26
Unknown
They don't, they don't have any other friends. They're not doing anything else. They're just like weird dudes who don't jerk off. But I would obsess over women the entire. I would be devastated to learn that Andrew Tate has ever had sex with a woman in his entire life. Well, no, no, I think he has. But not one that he has not paid for.
00;54;48;02 - 00;55;09;14
Unknown
Yeah, well, all right, We can go into that in a future episode about. About about the Tate story. We can. I can do that. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah, we can look, we can peer behind those bars in a future episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll do a retrospective once. He's, like, incredibly not. Not relevant. I don't want to.
00;55;09;14 - 00;55;26;15
Unknown
I don't want to boost this dude before he, like, is put in jail for life. I would feel really guilty if Andrew's got the super disk farewell bump and was immediately. Yeah, yeah, I know we got a lot of clout out there on the internet, so. Yeah. Yeah, fair enough. Either way, I've, I have no notes on that.
00;55;26;15 - 00;56;02;01
Unknown
The previous thing you just got into, but there's still a bit of this post left. Dave, do you want to make any predictions about how the next sentence is going to go? I, I don't, I, I don't, I just want to hear it in its entirety. I don't want to color it with my with I ranted enough. I think the post continues in Ayer Vader semen is the ultimate essence of the sap sap her data or the seven human essences 40 meals make a drop of blood, 40 drops of blood to make a drop of bone marrow, 40 drops of bone marrow make a drop of semen.
00;56;02;06 - 00;56;25;03
Unknown
The elixir of life. That's a quote from the Veda, which is from 1500 BCE. Yeah, they figure it out, all of biology at that point. So we don't need to look any further. This is this is. This is what I meant earlier when I said we're going to we're going to start getting into the weird spiritual vibes based stuff, the woo woo, if you will.
00;56;25;05 - 00;56;49;29
Unknown
This is this is kind of where we move from the first pillar of men's on wellness stuff online, which is the guilt where we move into the second pillar, which is, which is mysticism. This this post continues something even more mind blowing. One millimeter of semen has a whopping 20 million sperms, each of which is capable of birthing a human baby.
00;56;50;04 - 00;57;19;07
Unknown
That's almost the population of Canada. The next time the thought of bent over Danny Daniel's beckons. Try to visualize 20 million pieces. Is it worth the trade for cheap monetary, momentary pleasure? This dude definitely has like an unhealthy obsession with Danny Daniel's, who? I don't. I don't know who that is, but I. I don't either. That sounds like a probably just like a very basic wait for all that's.
00;57;19;07 - 00;57;43;17
Unknown
Let's see. Are we are we are we reacting live to Danny Daniel's? Yeah. I got safe search off so it's like yeah. Okay, let's let's cue up the video. Let's react in real time. Now I'm let's stop. Yeah, okay. I mean, yeah, it's very vanilla taste. I mean, No, no, no hate on no hate on her. Take back control of your sexual energy.
00;57;43;23 - 00;58;09;01
Unknown
Semen is a reservoir of creation. Energy of which breathing a baby is but one application. Preserving it will unlock this energy chamber to transmute it into a host of other channels. Building in as static physique bootstrapping, a six figure online business banging out a high quality post after a blog post writing a 100,000 word book. Mastering the electric guitar.
00;58;09;04 - 00;58;33;01
Unknown
Really? Yeah. Yeah. That in in. That's what it all comes down to is all I need to do is not not and then I am going to be a millionaire. I am going to be I'm going to realize all of my creative endeavors. I'm going to stop obsessing over this. Like just the average looking porn star that I'm fucking obsessed with.
00;58;33;01 - 00;59;16;24
Unknown
It's just like, dude, this manifesto in That's the thing about this manifesto is a stand in for this dude actually doing any amount of actual work in his life. Just do those things, you fucking nodding has nothing to do with this in like that's what a lot of this woo woo. And that's why it bothers me if you want to if you want to believe in like in all these, if you want to read ire Vedic texts in and just be obsessed with like really esoteric, like ancient and just be like a weird orientalist white dude, like, I don't give a shit, like whatever, do your thing.
00;59;16;24 - 00;59;48;20
Unknown
But they do this to kind of just push like, just, just put off doing anything actually productive and just say like, I've been the text of the Ancients for four, four, five years now when I finally understood And all, all you have to do is center your chee by not jerking off and just putting your taint in the sun for four 5 hours a day.
00;59;48;22 - 01;00;14;10
Unknown
Yeah, well, we're we're about to pack into that. But over the over the course of reading, of reading this, this Reddit post and watching a video, which we're just about to talk about just during the research for this episode, I was hit by this like this divine revelation where it just kind of clicked. And I think the big thing for me about like the mysticism behind all of this, like men's health stuff, it's like the fundamental of it.
01;00;14;12 - 01;00;34;27
Unknown
It comes down to they see like semen and like masks and this, this energy for them, it's like it's a fucking manna bar. They say, yes. It's like, yeah, it's, it's in a video game. And if they stop spending their manna on stupid stuff now, they'll suddenly have the resources. Yeah, yeah. Spend it on something good. And that's not how it fucking works.
01;00;35;02 - 01;01;02;22
Unknown
That's not how anything works. No, no, no. I was just thinking that, like, right before you said it is. It's. It's like this very, like, small brain thing of just like. Yes. If I. If I use this like, nothing takes energy units, but if I don't know but I'll have many energy units and it's just like, dude, you're fucking balls are not a bank, you're not like spending money by not like in.
01;01;02;25 - 01;01;36;18
Unknown
So that's the thing about the nofap thing too is like I don't I don't know if, if, if anybody out here knows this, but you know of the concept of like, wet dreams, right? Like, it's, it's kind of this thing of like, if you don't know for a while it's coming out no matter what, no matter how many chakras you've centered no matter how many, how many NoFap posts you've put on, read it like it.
01;01;36;20 - 01;02;00;25
Unknown
It needs to be purged. So like in in sure. That's, that's a much different thing than just like winning for like 7 hours a day. Yeah. It's not like you can't just like store up your sexual energy in the form of semen for like three years. It doesn't work like that. That's not how biology works. Like, I. I'm sorry.
01;02;00;26 - 01;02;23;05
Unknown
It's not. It's not like you have fucking spell slots and all got, like six level spell slot on pornography. I was right that ropes right manuals. Now I can't get anything done until my next long. God damn it, I can't use magic word kill. What's the thing I bought Power Word kill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry D and people I I'm.
01;02;23;05 - 01;02;51;02
Unknown
I'm not a real one. No, it's okay. I only play good RPG Sedona. Hey. shit. We all right? We're getting spicy, and everybody's mad. Now we're going for everybody. And speaking of gone for everybody, are are you familiar with a guy called Will Blunder field? hell, yeah. That guy fucking rules. He's so funny. This is this is okay so I learned about Will blunder field through.
01;02;51;09 - 01;03;12;05
Unknown
I'm not going to say the good folks the channel five because if you know what went down we're not going to win here We're not going yeah we do We do love crap Mac and Saddam though they need to get their own show. Those those guys are real ones. We're not going to go into Channel five if you want to watch their video about well, will blunder field, I'm not going to stop you.
01;03;12;12 - 01;03;34;23
Unknown
It's already got millions of views and it's a good it's a good video. I mean just be aware of the problematic nature of. Yeah, I don't think I don't think I don't think we're doing any real harm by giving them the little super despair world. 100th subscriber booster ad True, true, true. So Will Plunder Field is so Channel five did a video on him.
01;03;34;23 - 01;04;04;26
Unknown
He's this guy. He's like he was a he was like a singer on on Canadian idol like this talent show on TV like all these years ago and he looked like completely fucking different and a whole bunch of stuff went down and now he's like this. He calls himself a men's wellness coach living in Vancouver and teaching people sex cool kung fu, which is this this, this practice of directing energy outward from your balls to the rest of your body.
01;04;04;26 - 01;04;26;09
Unknown
And I guess to to do all kinds of crazy, crazy energy stuff that'll make your life better. It's it's it is an insane watch. It is not every day that you meet somebody as wacky as as our boy. Well, plunder field here. Wait, Brier, you live in B.C.? I do. And in fact, I actually used to live in Vancouver, and I.
01;04;26;11 - 01;04;45;12
Unknown
It haunts me knowing that I was ever in that close proximity. You might have crossed paths before. Yeah, maybe. I don't know, dude. I was a bit of a shut in when I lived in the city. For better or worse and probably better in this case, He probably. He probably was too is too busy jacking off like 70.
01;04;45;14 - 01;05;07;06
Unknown
Yeah, I don't know, dude. Like, I think, like, if I cross paths with him, I think I probably would have smelled it. Right. I was just about to make the same joke, so. Okay well we'll blunder field. He he does these classes where, like, he brings in a bunch of guys and what they practice this thing they call it What do they call it.
01;05;07;08 - 01;05;28;26
Unknown
I don't even I don't even know, but they like it. It doesn't matter what they call it. It's just a bunch of guys like jerking off together. I think they call it same sex erotic bonding, which is this thing where will blunder field and a couple other guys? They go out into the woods. At least I hope it's out in the woods.
01;05;28;26 - 01;05;49;26
Unknown
I hope they're not doing this in like fucking Stanley Park or some shit. They go out into the woods. There are Burroughs naked and they like they do all these exercises where they, they like, do squats, while one of them is like carrying the other guy above his shoulder. They, they, they, they cuddle and hug each other. They make it a point to touch like heart to heart.
01;05;49;26 - 01;06;21;18
Unknown
Dick to dick. And on the one hand, okay, his students talk a little bit in the Channel five video and they're like, Nah, it took me a lot to come out of my shell. It's not like a sexual thing. This is just like brotherly love. And we're just like bonding and just like in ancient times. And it's, it's, it's, it's really bizarre because later in that same video, Andrew from Channel five is talking to Will in his apartment and and Will it's just like, yeah, no, dude, I totally feel attraction to other men.
01;06;21;18 - 01;06;46;01
Unknown
It's totally a sexual thing for me and like, you are misleading a lot of people. My God, exact exact. I don't think everyone's on the same page. Yeah, yeah. And also, it's not in the woods. Just as a as a minor correction. It's at the McDonald's play place at 5 p.m. on a Wednesday. I'm just kidding. It, it is, it is in the woods but yeah.
01;06;46;04 - 01;07;14;10
Unknown
Yeah. No 100%. It's this dude is wrapping up his, his sexuality in like in a way that just really just just draws in some sort of like lost confused young man which like they're probably questioning their sexuality is well, I mean, it's bizarre to me because like they look like cards on the table. I'm a lesbian. I'm not I'm not attracted to men.
01;07;14;15 - 01;07;33;18
Unknown
But I look at the guy as he is. He is teaching in these videos and like, these are like young, good looking. they're pretty hot. Yeah, they're pretty. At a glance. I'm like, you don't look like a like a weird, creepy goon or something. Like, if they didn't if they didn't talk in the video, I would just assume, okay, this is just like a a normal, good looking college age dude, whatever.
01;07;33;18 - 01;07;58;05
Unknown
Nothing weird going on. Yeah, this is this is definitely the phenotype of like, straight guy gets exploited by some shit like that. Like, yeah, this this guy has a type. Let's just say, Well, blender field has a fucking type. He goes on to talk about things like, okay, what do we do here in these sexual kung fu classes?
01;07;58;05 - 01;08;22;19
Unknown
And he's talking about like, yeah, sometimes he'll just like, cuddle and massage each other's cocks and like, release our masculine energy while watching movies, which are Celtic ancestors did before going into battle thousands of years. Yeah, yeah. The Celts definitely love to watching movies and just like sucking each other's nipples for sure. They they liked a lot of movies.
01;08;22;19 - 01;08;44;09
Unknown
I heard they were they were really big on the Godfather trilogy. They really liked one into three. I mean, you watch it, but, you know, I feel like I have to wash my hands after we just throw like Martin Scorsese under the bus here, an episode about the weird like, like sexual kung fu. I'm sorry, Martin. I'm sorry.
01;08;44;12 - 01;09;13;15
Unknown
I'm sorry. But, I mean, you know, like, it's such a it's such a good it's it's such a good that even the even the deviants like it is. It is a pretty good movie. Yeah. They talk about, okay, this is what we we brought up earlier when you brought the word specifically this like weird like orientalist vibe where they the channel all these, like, buzz words and like misconceptions about history.
01;09;13;15 - 01;09;38;04
Unknown
Like, I'm sure in ancient times there were some different like, perceptions about, like gender and sexuality and all that kind of stuff than in the present day. I know there's a lot of that stuff about like race as well. Like these people, all these like weird Roman bust avatar people on Twitter talk about like United Europe and quote unquote white people when like, like fucking Romans.
01;09;38;04 - 01;10;07;11
Unknown
Back then, they had no fucking concept of this stuff at all. Yeah, that's that's the that's the funniest and most ironic thing is like, they're so obsessed with this point in history. And, and also, like, the Roman Empire was like, it's debatable, but like, you could say that the Roman Empire spanned from, like, shit. Like what, Like 500 B.C. to, like, 1800 A.D., depending on how they ran on different things.
01;10;07;11 - 01;10;39;05
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. Roman Empire and like. But still, yeah, it wasn't some like a monoculture. It's kind of like when you when you talk about like the Egypt is like meant like fucking Egypt it began when they like Yeah it's it's it's it's not fathomable by our little like baby North American brains where we're like yeah 300 years ago yeah civilization began humans are not meant meant to count above like 12.
01;10;39;05 - 01;11;11;17
Unknown
Okay, that's absolutely true. It is true. Okay. That's why we all have 12 knuckles. Yeah, and that does make me a little nervous because this is episode 11. So we'll see how things fall apart in, like two up two weeks from now. But. yeah, but regardless, I this up because like, yeah, this is a, this is a thing you see in a lot of, a lot of these online spaces or like I guess in-person classes out in the fucking woods on will blonder Wild ride where these people tap into this like this sense of mysticism where it's all just vibes.
01;11;11;17 - 01;11;37;02
Unknown
It's not just like, you're improving your health by like working out more or like taking better care of your hygiene. Like, no, there's like a, like a mystical spiritual quality to this, like, tight feeling in your balls or whatever. And we have to we have to get it out there. We have to we have to do all this weird bonding stuff that we we say like, we did this in ancient, but like, did we like.
01;11;37;02 - 01;12;01;22
Unknown
Right, Right. This real blonder feels like a historical scholar. I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that ties into the thing that we're going to talk about next, which is which is a another facet of pseudo science. Do you want to do you want to introduce it? I mean, I did still have I did still have a couple of things about world Plunder field.
01;12;01;24 - 01;12;24;13
Unknown
okay. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, will gradually transition into that. All right. All right. So one of the things like, okay, you listen to this guy talk and it's like a a nonstop stream of buzz. And I made a list. There's like, he talks about blood and sea and manhood and testosterone and energy and prana and like, love that.
01;12;24;14 - 01;12;41;23
Unknown
What the fuck to you? This is all just vibes. It's all just vibes based like, none of this. None of this is real. Okay, I'm sorry. Like, if you have your own, like, spiritual beliefs or whatever, okay? Like, you do you. But, like, you got to accept, like, okay, somebody like this does not know where they're talking about this.
01;12;41;23 - 01;13;02;07
Unknown
There's nothing real or historical about this. There's nothing like scientific about it. It's all just. It's just a vibe. It's just. Just letting your brain be mush because you feel like, Yeah, this person seems confident. They seem like they. They know what they're doing. Maybe they can help me out with, like, my legitimate problems somehow. That's the thing.
01;13;02;07 - 01;13;25;05
Unknown
I'm tempted to call him a grifter, but I don't. I don't like. I can't confidently say he's a grifter because to be a grifter, you have to know that you're lying and you're manipulating people. But I think this dude, like, actually believes his own bullshit is the problem. He's definitely. Yeah, he's definitely getting money out of. That's right.
01;13;25;05 - 01;13;42;23
Unknown
Like he's charging for these class. Sure does. Like, cool. He has content on TikTok, he posts stuff to Facebook. There's a bit in the Channel five video where he's putting on a silly voice where like, people gave him shit for being like, anti-vax or whatever. Because like, of course, all of these people are, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01;13;42;24 - 01;14;13;02
Unknown
But it just I, yeah, I agree. I think he's definitely like a true believer or in the sense that like, yeah he, he does this because, because of like compounding mental illnesses Right. Yeah yeah yeah. In, in like, as, as somebody who's known a lot of like really strange tea based fucking bullshit people who are like totally up their own ass about all of this nonsense that we're going to talk about shortly.
01;14;13;04 - 01;14;57;27
Unknown
Yeah, I, it's, it's really hard to say whether they are just like some sort of subset of, like orthorexia the people who are evangelizing this for some reason or if they totally are eating McDonald's cheeseburgers as the entire time and just like, just doing normal shit. And then when they turn the camera on, it's just like, Have you centered your cheese today up for my workshop to learn how to do that in in in maybe there's some sort of middle ground between that but like I don't know it's it's it's really hard to say yeah in in the video just out of nowhere.
01;14;57;27 - 01;15;16;09
Unknown
Well he's talking about some other stuff and you just very casually mentioned like just very suddenly in the middle of the sentence like, yeah, he just had like a cocaine addiction at some point in the past or like, this like, traumatic has whole thing happened to him earlier. And like, dear, this, this explains so much.
01;15;16;12 - 01;15;35;07
Unknown
And he talks about like, yeah, he used to get high off of cocaine and then he stopped and then he started drinking his own piss because the piss gets some kind of high. And I'm like, you, you didn't get over the problem, dude. Like, you still have this, like addictive impulse. You just found another outlet for it, which I don't know if it's any better.
01;15;35;12 - 01;15;57;10
Unknown
Well, that's the thing, too. And you see a different version of that. Like I used to be like a fucking junkie, and then I found God, and now I'm like, the most annoying person you'll ever meet in your life. Yeah. Yeah. It's like. And it's like, I'm glad you're not doing heroin anymore, but, like, can can you not do heroin and not be, like, really annoying?
01;15;57;12 - 01;16;24;18
Unknown
Like, can you, can you hold that? That would be cool. This is what really scares me because we look back to the people we started talking about, like the NoFap people who feel very guilty and they throw around the this language of like addiction and like, like a medical problem to describe what they're going through. And I feel like a lot of them who don't make it, they end up like Will blonder field where they they they don't actually deal with the underlying problem, which is like, right.
01;16;24;19 - 01;16;48;06
Unknown
Addictive mentality. They just find another outlet for it. And a lot of the people providing outlets are to not do not know what they're doing. They're clueless like fucking mystical, like shaman people like, like, well field And it's, it's insane. I'm like, yeah, like really all this shit tells me is just like, Man, dude, everybody needs fucking therapy.
01;16;48;06 - 01;17;12;28
Unknown
Like, we all need to get therapy. I know, I know. I like, I don't get therapy because it's because, number one, I'm fucking lazy. And number two, there's like a financial barrier for, for most people to, to do that. But like, hey man, in a perfect society we would have like unlimited access to, like to like therapists and just like, you know, you could pick the one that you vibe with.
01;17;13;02 - 01;17;41;20
Unknown
We would also do a lot of things better and result in people not needing therapy as much in the first place. Which is true. True, true. Exactly. And, yeah, I mean, and like, I don't even think like, like there are some that are better than others. I think really, just like most people just need like a third party, just an uninterested, unaffiliated third party to just, like, fucking talk to about your goddamn week, man.
01;17;41;20 - 01;18;04;04
Unknown
Like that would be. So you like, that sounds so fucking cool. Like, I really do want to look into that at some point. And I, like everybody I've talked to, other than just, just really, how do I say, how do I say just, just really, like, competitive people have just been like, yeah, it's fucking good. I like it.
01;18;04;04 - 01;18;30;20
Unknown
Yeah, absolutely. And this will be the last thing we touch on before we move into the pseudoscience element of it, because that is, that is the other big outlet that a lot of people fall into. But there's one thing I wanted to bring up. It's, it's kind of disconnected here, but I thought it's worth mentioning for everybody that watches the the Will plunder Field video we talk about his like he talks about being attracted to men and like obviously we love our gaze here.
01;18;30;20 - 01;18;53;13
Unknown
There's nothing wrong with that. That's perfectly great. Yeah. The way he goes about interacting with some of his students and all the sexual things they do, that's pretty problematic, to say the least. But there's one thing that well says in particular that that I wrote down here. He says, Gay panic has been burned into our psyche and like, okay, that's true.
01;18;53;15 - 01;19;14;27
Unknown
He talks about like how when he was in high school, he got bullied a lot and people called him a fagot and like, okay, I get it. I've I've been called fagot before. And and I look at the problems that he's trying to address with these, like, weird sexual kung fu classes. And there's like a glimmer of, like, a real problem and a real solution here, right?
01;19;15;04 - 01;19;42;11
Unknown
Like, if you're if you're a guy raised in our society, like, you're probably going to be weird about other guys to some extent, right? Like, it's hard to open up other men to, like, be like, vocal and clear about, like sexual topics. Like, there's always like something to prove and like, yeah, I think there is like a real value to guys being more open with each other and finding, like, healthy ways to like to lean and support on each other, right?
01;19;42;11 - 01;20;07;05
Unknown
Like, for sure, Yeah, absolutely yeah, yeah. Like in that's the thing with a lot of this shit is like there's, there's always a grain of truth with everything we've talked about on this episode and everything we will talk about in the future, there's always a gain, a grain of truth. But the problem is it gets realized in a really fucking weird way.
01;20;07;05 - 01;20;35;11
Unknown
A lot of times the most the most dishonest people you'll ever meet. It's don't tell outright, outright lies. They always speak in like half truths. Right, right, right, exactly, exactly. Yeah. It's like I definitely think, yeah, if there were a bunch of guys and they wanted to do, like, I don't know, some like, brother for fraternity thing to like, I don't know, just like, have a good support network of friends you can lean on maybe like emotionally and financially or something.
01;20;35;13 - 01;20;50;28
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. You can trust that up in like, a lot of, like, weird, like esthetics, like a whole like, like brotherhood, like an order of nights or something like. Yeah, yeah, like for sure you can be laugh about it if you want. I don't really care. A lot of people are dorks with their friends. That's, that's what friends are for.
01;20;51;01 - 01;21;12;15
Unknown
But like, don't, don't fall for like, people like, will blunder your field. Who got you out in the woods like tugging on your friend's cocks to grow them. Like to to. Yeah, yeah. In, in, in. It's especially sinister when like if, if you just, if you belong to some tribe of like weird hippies in whatever town you're in, you guys jerk each other off.
01;21;12;15 - 01;21;35;03
Unknown
Like, that's cool. But like, if you're like paying, if you're all paying one dude to, like, take your clothes off and just, like, run around in the forest and, like, I don't like whatever. He makes you do that then then that's that's not a workshop, man. It's just a guy, like, objectifying you. That's fucking. Yeah, it, it also, it really stands out to me.
01;21;35;03 - 01;21;57;18
Unknown
They use the word tribe here because, like, I understand people kind of kind of yearn to have tribes again, right? Like there's something very like isolating and alienating about. Just like, going through life nowadays. Like, yeah, you have, like coworkers and like other people at school, but like, you're not necessarily like, guarantee you to, like, be friends with or connect to anybody.
01;21;57;25 - 01;22;23;08
Unknown
Everybody is online more than ever. They there are less and less like spaces to hang out in real life without money. Yeah. So, like, I understand it's like a real a real need for this kind of thing. And like, yeah, it's kind of on us to, like, make this stuff ourselves rather than like, paying for this, like, weird former Canadian Idol guide to, like, sell you a class where you go out into the woods and do all this stuff.
01;22;23;14 - 01;22;59;10
Unknown
That's not that's not the way it's Yeah, fucked up. It's weird. No 100% and I have I have a few like very core axioms that I think like we need to work on to just be like a functioning society and a one of the main tenants of that is just like having actual communities. Because as somebody who's like, been in an actual community, not, you know, not like a it's not, it's just like we made it and it just kind of happened.
01;22;59;16 - 01;23;34;27
Unknown
It's just like it's so much different to have like a support network of people as opposed to just like everybody you interact with is just like some like discreet human that you, you decide to talk to or like, what can I get from you? It's it's just very strange and like, we are all so absolutely fucking disconnected now not, not to go on like a phone bad boomer tangent, but sounds like you're bad sometimes.
01;23;35;01 - 01;24;08;07
Unknown
Yes, I agree, I agree. As is the internet, as much as I love it. But yeah, I mean, we could we could dissect that another time. But yeah, that's a lot of the shit that we talk about is a symptom of some of these, like very sinister issues that that come up. Yeah. And I brought up the tribal thing because what I see when I look at what, what someone like well Blonder Field is doing, I'm like okay people, people kind of want to have a tribe.
01;24;08;07 - 01;24;34;15
Unknown
They want to have this, like, emotional. Absolutely in action with other people to get over their like, like personal sexual problems or whatever. But there's another thing that people look to when they look at tribal living that they kind of yearn for, which is this kind of like imaginary past which this this is our transition into the third pillar of of men's wellness stuff on the Internet, which is a pseudoscience.
01;24;34;22 - 01;25;24;10
Unknown
There's a lot of it. And people have a lot of wacky ideas about things that humans supposedly used to do and eat all the time. Yeah, and maybe you can introduce this one because you are much more familiar with this aspect of it than I am. So. So here's the thing. My my undergraduate degree is in anthropology, and it was mostly cultural, but, you know, I was required to have a background in like biological and in archeology and but also ironically, I did get pulled in by by these ideas when I was like, you know, in my early twenties and shit, just because it, it is like I do understand the, the appeal of this
01;25;24;11 - 01;26;01;25
Unknown
is just like you've unlocked this like ancient knowledge and like, are you feeling shitty? Do you want to be like, better than other people? Well, all you have to do is unlock this ancestral knowledge that we've all known forever. And it's that number one, like the the agricultural revolution was like, was was a big mistake in the in the in the history of humanity in like grains made us like weak and gave us like bad chains and teeth and jaw lines and all this.
01;26;01;25 - 01;26;27;06
Unknown
Yeah. Like, like it intuitively makes some kind of sense, right? Because like, you look at the average person, like they probably just have like a retail or office job or something if they have a job at all. Right? They probably like, like kind of out of shape and sedentary. And you think back, okay, Like obviously to get here in the first place, like ancient cave people must have been out like chasing tigers and like killing mammoths and shit all day.
01;26;27;08 - 01;27;04;07
Unknown
So, yeah and for sure in there is there, like again, like we've been saying this entire episode, there is a grain of truth in that. Like probably early hominids were scavengers. They probably did scavenge meat. They probably dragged them up into trees. We really don't in the the, the main thread that I want to that I want to nail down is like we don't know that the top archeologists and anthropologists in the world are.
01;27;04;10 - 01;27;49;22
Unknown
This is all speculation. We don't know shit we not know shit. We barely know like who was alive 200,000 years ago. We see fossil remains in certain places where the climate was good enough to preserve their bones and, and we happen to dig there. Like there's so much we don't know about this shit, but like. But the thing that, that is annoying is that when you go on all of these, on all these websites for all these people who are like the paleo primal diet, you want to, you want to live like grog.
01;27;49;24 - 01;28;25;12
Unknown
Your ancestor who was very swole and healthy, which he wasn't just all you have to do is live this lifestyle. And grog didn't eat oatmeal, he didn't eat grains. He only meat and fish and fruits. And like all you have to do is do this. And then like all of the health problems you have, you're fucking floppy dick, whatever your depression, all the shit, it's all because you're like because you ate a piece of bread yesterday.
01;28;25;12 - 01;28;51;24
Unknown
It's That simple. Dave, Are you telling me that the liver king lied to us? It's so. I don't know that much about the liver. King. From what I understand, the dude, like, got caught, like, not eating liver. Yeah, I've heard. I've heard a lot of things. One, if you look at the liver, King One, this guy, this guy looks like a like one of those, like, Stretch Armstrong toys that you get as a kid.
01;28;51;24 - 01;29;07;20
Unknown
Then you, like, cut off one of the arms and, like, tie it to a garden hose and see how big it can get for fucking pops. You know, like he's like a human version of that, you know, It's like you take one look at this guy, it's like, my, my dude is not long for this world, okay?
01;29;07;20 - 01;29;36;16
Unknown
This is like the the ends game of, like, of, like steroid use and, like, weird, like GM, like juicing stuff. And it's like, it's it's nuts. But he he sells this image of like. Yes, I am. I am the the the peak primordial man. This is this is what all, all people looked like back then and and like no people were like, grossly covered in, like, veins and, like, beet red and, like, constantly, like.
01;29;36;18 - 01;29;57;11
Unknown
for sure. For sure. For, like, straight gasps of air. Yeah, I think. I think. I think he had, like, a doctor that sentenced him. I don't want to say a sentence that sounds like a like a prison thing, but his doctor ordered him like, Dude, you to you got to lay you got to lay low on the exercise and you got to get a lay off and the liver stop eating seven livers.
01;29;57;13 - 01;30;40;22
Unknown
Yeah. And like he didn't and I know it gets really bad, man. It's not good. Yeah, like the liver king. The funny thing is, like, in just like I said, like, nobody knows what these people actually were like and lived like. Like there's lot of speculation and it's a lot it's a lot of stuff based on like, based in like primate studies and based on just like looking at like, animals in the savanna and like, there is a lot of speculation, like, yeah, probably like if you were trying to survive, you would eat organ meats because like richer in vitamins.
01;30;40;22 - 01;31;24;28
Unknown
But like, how long did it take for our ancestors to figure that out? And it's just like it's, it's so speculative is the problem. But like the problem with all these dudes is with the with the liver, the the liver king and all this primal paleo people is they're just like fact, our ancestors lived this way and they were healthy and you're not by my book, get my primal protein powder and then get my link to get like raw goat testicles from from Israel.
01;31;25;02 - 01;31;47;18
Unknown
Because, like, that's going to make you because that's going to make you healthy. And it's and it's just like the saddest people in the world, just like spending all their money on like, the most disgusting shit on the planet. Yeah. Like we, we might not ever know how like, ancient humans lived in, like, great detail, but I'm going to I'm going to make a pretty confident bet that I know how that how they didn't live.
01;31;47;18 - 01;32;07;06
Unknown
And it needs be said that you look at somebody like the liver king and it's like, this guy like markets himself as being like the image of like peak health in like ancient times or something but like the stuff he consumes on a on a daily basis could truly only arrive at his doorstep through the fucking excesses.
01;32;07;08 - 01;32;30;13
Unknown
my nipples, which Hunter Black decries every, every fucking day like, you hate the modern world, you hate fucking like GMO stuff. And hell, they're putting, they're putting soy in all of the food now. And yet, like, he needs like a fucking entire economy worth of, like, moving parts around the world to bring this, like, mass of dead animals in front of his plate.
01;32;30;17 - 01;32;58;17
Unknown
Right, right, right. His stupid vision. Yes. In in. That's a problem. There's this conflation between people who say like the the agricultural revolution was one of the worst things that ever happened to humanity. And they they try to frame that as like it's because we started eating grains instead of like, you know, just eating like fucking lamb livers and fucking butter and which is insane.
01;32;58;17 - 01;33;14;29
Unknown
Rollicking. I look at yeah, I look at the country as they eat more grains than anybody, which is like the, like so which is like Southeast Asia where they, where everybody lives off of rice and shit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It sounds a little problematic when I say like that, but like, generally, their health is better than ours, right?
01;33;15;00 - 01;33;38;25
Unknown
You know, like, it seems to me like, grains are probably pretty good for you. Yeah, well, the the point that I was getting at with that is, yes, living off of subsistence diet of wheat or rice is like not good for you because it's not a complete it's not a complete food. Like you won't starve to death, but you're going to lacking in a lot of nutrients.
01;33;39;02 - 01;34;12;05
Unknown
But I look at something like that, the food pyramid, which was talked to me, apparently that's pretty much bullshit. Now, but complete bullshit. Complete a degree of truth like you do need like a variety of foods. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Going to get everything you need in one, like, fucking like massive protein. Right, right, right. But, but the, the problem with that conflation is they're saying like, it was the grains that killed out and it's like, what else happened during the agricultural revolution.
01;34;12;07 - 01;34;57;10
Unknown
Can you, can you think about that? Can you can you think about that just a little bit? There were like massive hierarchies of like, like feudalism started not too long after that. We're like ancient migrations. Right? Right. So like, yeah, obviously the peasant farmers were living off of like, just like bread and like occasionally they got to, like, slaughter their oldest hen like once a month to have some manner of like a complete protein and like, they might have gotten an egg if their fucking local vassals didn't come in like rape your daughter in steel.
01;34;57;12 - 01;35;40;29
Unknown
Yeah. There's like a difference between the meat of, like, like a wild tiger that you hunted because, like, that rice thing roaming around versus, like the this these cattle that you've been breeding together for, like, generations to make it more edible, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But like that's, that's the problem with all of these narratives is there's, there's a complete a historicism to all of it and it's very selective and like I said, even like all of the people that I've studied under who are where you fucking smarter than me have have said, like at the end of the day, we don't know.
01;35;41;02 - 01;36;28;22
Unknown
However you go on any of these fucking bullshit paleo, primal fucking men's lifestyle, eat liver and shove it up your asshole blogs. They're just like, This is how a real man used to eat. And if you eat soy, you're you're going to become gay overnight. That's why people are gay. Because they eat tofu once. Yeah. And I before before we move on to the whole soy thing, because that's a little more of a modern bent and this primal stuff, this also this ties back into the the observation I made earlier when we were talking about like people talk about this like testosterone and blood and energy, like, this is just like a fucking wizards
01;36;28;22 - 01;36;47;02
Unknown
man up or something. And like, that applies to a lot of these like fucking health diet grifters as well. Like, you look at the way people like the liver can talk about, like raw meat, like bull testicles and stuff. And it's like, yeah, he's just saying like, you will refill your minibar if you eat this slop that I'm selling.
01;36;47;02 - 01;37;08;11
Unknown
Right, right, right. Get my fucking discount code, you know, And it all ties back into each other and it's like, no, that's not that's not how food and nutrition works, okay? Nutrition is incredibly fucking complicated. Okay? There's a reason people have to like. Like go to college and study for this shit in, in, in. Even they still don't know how this works.
01;37;08;11 - 01;37;31;02
Unknown
Like, yeah, like there's. There's so much fucking misinformation and, like stuff that, like, even professionals are not like, wise to where like, No. When it comes to about like how to eat right and like what foods are good and not good for you. And like, it sucks because like, a lot of people fall into those gaps and like, you have people like, like my mom could basically fall for anything.
01;37;31;02 - 01;37;51;14
Unknown
If you say, people don't want you to know this, or like, exactly the truth that people are hiding from. Exactly. And that's a big thing of it. And like, that's a lot of the allure is it's not like, hey, here's a food that's really healthy for you because there's a lot of that information like, hey, eat some blueberries.
01;37;51;14 - 01;38;19;10
Unknown
They're they're good for you. Everybody. Everybody knows blueberries, blueberries, fucking raw, some blueberries fucking. But like, all of that shit you see in that spheres, like they told you, this wasn't good for you, but like, nobody else knows. And it's like, by, like, some beef brains from the from from the black market. And it's going to make you really, really strong.
01;38;19;10 - 01;38;44;19
Unknown
And it's like in, like, you're probably fine if you eat, if you eat beef, like it's got it tastes like shit. Like I've had a lot of offal before and I don't even know if that's how you say the word. I think I think it's pronounced awful, which is very funny. Yeah, I, I get very appetizing. Very. I have, I've never eaten brains, as far as I know.
01;38;44;21 - 01;39;08;22
Unknown
Yeah, I'm. I think I'm good on, on brand side, but, like. Yeah, I mean, like, just read a read an article about Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease or whatever it's called any prion diseases just like dude that could that could give me like a seven inch bigger dick. And I'd probably still not roll the dice on it. Like, I'm sorry. I think.
01;39;08;22 - 01;39;29;27
Unknown
I think I learned everything I need to know about the dangers of eating brains from playing fucking Baldur's Gate three. Okay. I've seen what the mind players do. I don't. I don't. I don't need to make that my mind die. Yeah, I. I watched, like, the worst zombie movie once, and I was like, Yeah, I will say that it feels like that is kind of where you see this.
01;39;29;27 - 01;40;03;00
Unknown
Like, where, where the unholy marriage between the mysticism stuff and the pseudo science stuff comes into play because you have all these people like promising you this, this, like forbidden secret knowledge. Like, that's, that's the heart of like, all of every conspiracy theorists you've ever met. Right? They're they're convinced that they they don't just know something that that's like a bit out of the way or like an unheard of They think like, I've tapped into this this secret thing that people want to keep under wraps.
01;40;03;00 - 01;40;31;06
Unknown
I'm fighting against some, like, oppressive system. And I'm like this, like, arbiter of, like, good, of righteous knowledge. And it's fucked up because it's like people this all this stuff is like it's predatory, it's sick, it ruins people's lives, dude. It's like 100%, 100%. And I've seen it before, and I'm not going to get into that, but I've I've actually seen it before and like to to kind of like, tie everything together.
01;40;31;10 - 01;41;01;09
Unknown
Our first topic where we talked about like the NoFap people, these this is the vulnerable people who are just like, if, if you were a fucking piece of shit, this is your crowd. This these are the people, the the, the desperate, the the, the people who just want to make a better life for themselves. And like these, these are the easy pickings and they're, they're totally the easy pickings.
01;41;01;09 - 01;41;29;23
Unknown
And it's easy to hate on these people and just be like, What What a fucking dork. But like, no. And like, at the end of the day they're just like, really desperate people. And, you know, they, they, they want to live a better life. And like, I can totally relate to that. But the problem, how can I, how can I convince somebody that the only community that they've ever found is like, fucked up and like, preying on their insecurities, like stealing money from them?
01;41;29;23 - 01;42;01;29
Unknown
They're not they're not inclined to believe me because that's all they, they fucking have. Exactly. Exactly. But then the, the, the, and the like and the, like, primal paleo fucking sun your balls to semen retention. Cleanse your chakras people. They're fucking predators that find these people. It's it's, it's a cult. At the end of the day it's the same thing It's the same fucking fall for even the victims, they kind of become predatory themselves because they.
01;42;02;01 - 01;42;23;15
Unknown
Well, it did something for me. I got to rope other people into it as well. That's the thing it's like a cult. There's like cultists become cult like recruiters at the end of the day, right? Yeah, like, I, like I look at somebody like Will Blonder Field and I'm like, okay, I think this guy is like a predator in multiple senses of the word.
01;42;23;21 - 01;42;44;08
Unknown
But even then I can't acknowledge. Yeah, like, yeah, some fucked up stuff has happened to that guy throughout his life and like, yeah, I can sympathize with that. But like, I'm pretty sure I've said this before, my sympathy ends like I draw the line where you start taking all the pain and the hurt that you felt and you start like spreading it out to other people and making their lives worse.
01;42;44;08 - 01;43;11;25
Unknown
And there insecurities. Absolutely true. Yeah. Okay. Like fuck you then. Yeah. And yeah, yeah. It's it's two sides of the same coin with the with the blender fields and in the liver casings. It's just like, how do I, how do I evangelize to this? Like, very broken group. And I'm not even saying that these people, like, consciously do that.
01;43;11;25 - 01;43;31;13
Unknown
Like, I do think like, will blender field is like, unwell, but I think he is both a grifter and a true believer at the same time. I think those I mean. Right exclusive. No, no, no. I agree with you. I agree with you. And then there's some people like the Liver King. I don't know. I need to look into.
01;43;31;13 - 01;44;09;02
Unknown
You want to talk about Jordan Peterson and his meat diet? Where does he fall on the the true believer so scale So. So I would put Jordan Peterson on his like on his beef diet more towards the the victim than the then the grifter. Honestly I, I don't think that that was something that he like came up in a sense and said like how can I evangelize people to that?
01;44;09;05 - 01;44;42;02
Unknown
I think like he got on that just because the dude's like clearly, like fucking mentally ill and like completely out of control. Yeah. And not, not, not to turn this into like a whole, like last minute Jordan Peterson biopic or something, but like, he, like he started out as a pretty normal, like, college professor, like psychology do, like he was known in his field and then he kind of like he only became famous like a household name because he he had some, like, bullshit outrage against a bill.
01;44;42;03 - 01;45;10;22
Unknown
Bill C-16 here in Canada where it's like that. He completely misrepresented, by the way. Yeah. To this day, no, nobody has been fucking arrested. Just in case you are. You didn't. And and and like, shame on me. I learned about him from, like, that shit. And I was like, Dude, that's what. That's crazy. And then, like, I did, like 6 seconds of research, and it was like, No, he's full of shit.
01;45;10;22 - 01;45;43;20
Unknown
And I was like, cool. Yeah, this. But, but there's still people but there's still people like six years later who were like, Yeah, he's just, he's just uncovering what the Canadian government because they're ready to just put him in jail for not using pronouns. It's like, no, no, in Canada, Canada sucks, dude. Like I hate Trudeau with my whole being, but I can't talk about that in public where I live because it's like, I'll bring up one good point and then people will be like, Yeah.
01;45;43;20 - 01;46;09;13
Unknown
I also don't like how he brought all those like sand and words into the country and he's like the kid of like Fidel Castro or something. I'm like, Whoa, dude. Well, you, you have to relate to him and be like, Yo, that blackface Halloween costume was, like, pretty dope, though, right? Which one I like. what was what was the one?
01;46;09;15 - 01;46;31;21
Unknown
What was the one that was was it like Aladdin or something? It was like, that's the one. I think that was the big one that came to mind. He was like dressed up as like either a Latin or like the very dark character from Dragon Ball. See, I shouldn't talk about the Senate fucking. No, it didn't, didn't, didn't the Clintons like do blackface when year or am I completely imagine.
01;46;31;21 - 01;46;53;10
Unknown
I mean, they're on the same page. Tell me you could tell me the Clintons got up to any kind of like fucked up like Bohemian Grove shabby like. Yeah, probably. I yeah, I mean, I guess it doesn't matter. Like, like these are all people who are, like, crying crocodile tears about, like, indigenous. And then and then they sign a bill into law.
01;46;53;11 - 01;47;12;10
Unknown
Like you're, you're not allowed to complain about anything. Yeah. To me, to make a long story short because like, it's on me, I brought up Peterson. I think he's a grifter. And that, like, he was just like a lame college professor. And he made a lot of money being like a conservative outrage guy. But I also think he's like a like a victim.
01;47;12;10 - 01;47;33;21
Unknown
And both that like a crazy, like, true believer person because he had like a a fuckin dark spiral with some really hard that he tried to get off of. And he like, he like nearly fucking died in Russia or some shit like, yeah, get off of that stuff. Like he's been he been broken in every sense that a person can be broken since then.
01;47;33;24 - 01;47;59;10
Unknown
I mean, like, yeah, like fuck that dude. Like he's like if the Joker was, it was not fun, you know? Exactly. Exactly. Like, fuck that, dude, he's subhuman, all that shit. But like, his struggle with, like, addiction was, like, not really the thing to make fun of him for, like, it. Like with somebody like him. I think he's such a fucking of shit.
01;47;59;10 - 01;48;18;01
Unknown
Like, anything's fair game, but, like, it's just like, Dude, there's so much ammo to ridicule this guy with, and you're going to and you're going to talk about his drug addiction. Come on. Here's the thing. I don't like to shame people over drug addiction because I think it's like a medical problem. I don't think it's necessarily like a fucking moral failing.
01;48;18;03 - 01;48;40;20
Unknown
Right. But I, I will I think it's valid to bring it up in his case because, like, his entire personal brand is like, you should clean up your own fucking man before saying women should have rights. Yeah, yeah. And then you look at his own fucking No, like our whole house right now, Like this person is built on lies like nothing he says is true.
01;48;40;27 - 01;49;02;03
Unknown
And of course, he nearly killed himself on this, like, weird fucking meat diet. And he went into, like, a coma because he tried to drink apple juice. So it's something to level it out. Yeah, I do vaguely remember that. Like, I mean, you know, if if something bad happened to him, I would not cry about it. Yeah, God forbid.
01;49;02;09 - 01;49;35;15
Unknown
Yeah, that would just ruin our day. We would. We would not turn it into content. Hey. Hey. But yeah, like, I don't know, it's. It's kind of it. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a microcosm of a very, very much larger thing, which I guess is the, the overarching narrative of this entire episode is like, so, like what is all of this shit all about I guess is, is the big looming question here.
01;49;35;17 - 01;50;22;01
Unknown
What do we do to, to fix man? Like, how did we get Dude, this is so bad. See, I don't I don't even think that's the right question. I it's, it's not even men in particular. It's Everybody is lost and miserable. And this is one discrete way that a certain subset of people try to cope with and reconcile the the state and, the, the, the world that they live in, in, in like for the most part, like they're trying do like you jerk off four times a day it's it's not that big of a deal man.
01;50;22;01 - 01;50;54;05
Unknown
Like, like me maybe like get a hobby or something. I mean like if you're an actual gooner like if you're, if you're really just like, go in hard and the pain for like 7 hours a day like that, that's, that's a, that's a real time saying like but yeah, it will, will definitely unpack gooners in the future because it is like I think it's on the same spectrum as a lot of the people we talked about, but like in the opposite direction, more into the excess rather than the abstinent side of it.
01;50;54;12 - 01;51;24;24
Unknown
But, but the thing is, I think most really they're really under this same umbrella category of just like if you're not really like happy or satisfied in your life, you're going to find some way to externalize that. And for these nofap ers, it's jacking off seven times a day For people who like smoking weed. They're smoking seven blunts to the face the entire day.
01;51;24;29 - 01;51;49;26
Unknown
For people like alcohol, they're crushing a bottle of fucking of of bourbon a day for for people who like gaming their playing. Yes. Go for 7 hours straight. And it's just so like and I like I like attention and being told my my worldview is correct in that I'm cool and amazing. So that's why I have a podcast like record everybody.
01;51;49;26 - 01;52;10;00
Unknown
I knew you're going to have that cued up. No, no. But like, honestly, like I actually I thought you were going to talk about, like, being an eagle and it's like, that's a little bit more high effort, But I mean, I was going to say like, I don't know if I acted like maybe, maybe all these guys should just become women.
01;52;10;00 - 01;52;31;00
Unknown
Maybe that's the solution here. That would just make everything go away. Who knows? Yeah, who know? Who knows what If you just just just sprinkling some seeds into the dirt, Just like casting it out into the wind. Just putting it out there. If it's a podcast. Hey, what do I need to say? You know some about it. Someday.
01;52;31;03 - 01;52;49;23
Unknown
Someday we're going to find out how many people you. You translate. Yeah, It's just through this subliminal messaging of the people listening to this podcast. Make sure the headphones are on nice and tight. Make sure you don't get any, like, external vibrations in there. Make sure you listen to what I'm saying very clearly. Just, just, just sprinkling some ideas.
01;52;49;23 - 01;53;15;20
Unknown
Yeah. When, when, when you hear the, the weird like the weird tones that that will have rewire your brain to, to be feminize, just leave the headphones. Yeah. Pay no pay no mind to the the 35 continuous seconds of silence at the end of the episode. It's not silence. Make sure you listen to it nice and nice and close the volume up.
01;53;15;22 - 01;53;38;02
Unknown
Yeah. Stay tuned for a very important announcement. Yeah, I guess. I guess we're wrapping up. We were going to talk a little bit about like all the the superstitions around around SoI like that came out of bodybuilding forums and stuff, but I feel like we'd be kind of be repeating ourselves. Maybe we can save that for a future deep dive.
01;53;38;02 - 01;54;09;08
Unknown
Yeah, I mean, we're so, we're, we're to deep and I think there's still much more to say. I think this episode deserves like a revisit. It would be really cool if we had like an X, like a like an X man, a sphere x nofap or X or something like that, or a current one. Like I don't give a shit ex-wife of one of these in, in in, in.
01;54;09;08 - 01;54;30;06
Unknown
Also this is a no judgment zone. Like, I don't know if I mentioned this, but like when we talk about like the primal fucking diet and all this type of shit, I used to like, totally be into that. I was like, yeah, like that. That's. yeah, yeah, you're right. Like, that does make sense. Is complete bullshit now.
01;54;30;06 - 01;55;00;15
Unknown
But I was always disillusioned with like, the soy conspiracy is when I realized that that eating regularly at Burger King made me grow an ass and not tits. Well, that's the thing, too, is, like, if this were true, the people you would see at, like, Burger King would be, like, just jacked alpha males. And really it's, it's like the most stereotypical soy people you will ever see.
01;55;00;20 - 01;55;27;11
Unknown
Man Could you imagine if, like, we just lived in that, that world that they spread conspiracies about where like, if you eat too much and McDonald's, you just turn into like some kind of like Twinkie looking like elf androgynous like, like boy girl something. no, I share those. What would I be like? fuck. Damn, I'm eating another another McDonald's.
01;55;27;11 - 01;56;00;22
Unknown
Happy meal I'm trying to have who's trying to adopt it, but I can't I can't hear the thing over the clap of my ass cheeks that that's why they they develop the McDonald's play place is to is when you're climbing through those tubes or whatever they're they're they're they're collecting data on how hard your ass cheeks clap everybody It's moisture critical here just stared into the spiral for like, 30 seconds.
01;56;00;22 - 01;56;24;02
Unknown
I feel like really weird about some stuff now. What's up goes is most critical ages for a 13 year old in the junk in at the McDonald's play place tubes. yeah pretty much plugged on this dude. I beat him into a pulp and his mom called the cops on me. But I think I'm in a bones now anyways, big poopy butt holes.
01;56;24;05 - 01;56;42;06
Unknown
And you've been listening to, super. Just be real podcasts. I just. Guys, I just. I just want to get a shit ass meal at Burger King. I just wanted to get my my little Burger King crown. They give you this looking like Cartier's instead? The fuck am I supposed to do this? Why? Why is my chest getting bigger?
01;56;42;09 - 01;57;16;01
Unknown
Yeah, this Karens yelling at me because I. Because I punched her 12 year old son in the face 13 times and he's bleeding profusely out his nose. that's. That's like the one time I popped off an overwatch two, which, you know, if you want to code for, for raid shadow legends, it's in the bio. And this, this podcast is brought to you by raid Shadow Legends.
01;57;16;03 - 01;57;46;08
Unknown
This podcast is brought to you by all my, my pain and misery and the dark things that I feel when I read too many fucking Reddit threads before I start recording. Yeah, if you don't jerk off for 30 weeks, you can get a promo code for Raid Shadow Legends and and well, that'll guarantee that you never get laid again in your life because you, you play raid shadow legends.
01;57;46;10 - 01;58;07;25
Unknown
So is that even the name of the game? Yeah Yeah. That's why it's called I think. Well I guess I guess we I guess we blew our chances at a raid. Shadow Legend sponsorship in the future. They are. They they're not going to go back and watch this. That's true. That's true. I don't know. I, I think it's time to wrap up.
01;58;07;27 - 01;58;35;11
Unknown
Like it feels like we're kind of listless here. What's what's our solution here? Like, we got to we got to turn things around, stop jacking off. Yeah, maybe. Maybe just consume the right meat slop sold by, like, weird, bright red blow up. Guys, Honey, just just start taking HRT. Yeah, I mean, just just think about it. Just. Just throw out those ideas, you know?
01;58;35;11 - 01;58;55;16
Unknown
And now I'm. Now I'm flipping the script with Brier. Now I'll tell you. Do that. Yeah, yeah. It's got me. It got me feel in some kind of way. No, no. Real to real talk. If if jacking off is a problem in your life, Think. Think, brah. More broadly than that. Like, why are you doing that all the time?
01;58;55;16 - 01;59;22;18
Unknown
Maybe get a hobby. Maybe. Maybe make some friends. I know It's not that I know that's an easy solution. Do it harder and listen to our show while you're doing it. Hey, if, if you wanna if you want a friend and like this is this is an open invitation. But like, the time is limited. If you're going back and listening to this episode, like two years later offers off the table.
01;59;22;18 - 01;59;44;03
Unknown
But like, if you're fresh, you can email me at Dave at Super Despair WorldCom and I and I will coach you through not being Akuma or being the right kind of Kuma, I guess I could say. Or you could email me and all reply back. I'll put I'll plant a dark little thought in your head to keep stroking.
01;59;44;05 - 02;00;09;10
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's, it's, it's like the, the cartoon with like the, the, the, the, the angel on the devil on your shoulder and I'm like, hey, maybe go for a run today and Breyers like look at this food. I think we, I think we have our episode right I'm going to draw that out. that's a really good idea.
02;00;09;10 - 02;00;40;15
Unknown
Yeah I like that. All right. That's. That's all we got for today, folks. I'm sure we'll revisit this in the future. This is like a sample platter of, like, like testicles just for your brain to think about. Yes, I think this is a pretty good episode. I think. Yeah, but, you know, maybe it wasn't. Maybe we'll look back at this in five years after, after we have our following out, After the incident.
02;00;40;21 - 02;01;00;25
Unknown
After the incident. And then I'm like, Yeah, that was our worst episode. What are you talking about? Yeah, this is. It's all the down here. From here. From here. Folks think things weren't meant to last. Numbers weren't meant to go above 12. I don't know. That's it. I we're, we're, we are trailing off. Okay, good. Goodnight, folks. That's all.
02;01;00;25 - 02;01;03;12
Unknown
That fucking a good fight. Good. I.