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The new Labour government in the UK wants to set up the “Great British Energy Company,” supposedly the answer to all of that country’s green energy dreams. But Heartland friend Lois Perry of CAR26 in the UK says it will be a nightmare – especially when you add that “publicly owned” renewable energy project to a reduction in fossil fuel extraction and the millions the UK has pledged to pay in “climate reparations.” On Episode 122 of The Climate Realism Show, we will also cover the Crazy Climate News of the week, whether vanilla is “disappearing,” surprising news about the ice in Greenland, the Washington Post admitting the Urban Heat Island effect is real (but somehow still screwing it up), the ongoing wind turbine disaster off Massachusetts, and more.
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H. Sterling Burnett
H. Sterling Burnett, Ph.D., hosts The Heartland Institute’s Environment and Climate News podcast. Burnett also is the director of Heartland’s Arthur B. Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy, is the editor of Heartland's Climate Change Weekly email, and oversees the production of the monthly newspaper Environment & Climate News. Prior to joining The Heartland Institute in 2014, Burnett worked at the National Center for Policy Analysis for 18 years, ending his tenure there as senior fellow in charge of environmental policy. He has held various positions in professional and public policy organizations within the field. Burnett is a member of the Environment and Natural Resources Task Force in the Texas Comptroller’s e-Texas commission, served as chairman of the board for the Dallas Woods and Water Conservation Club, is a senior fellow at the Texas Public Policy Foundation, works as an academic advisor for Collegians for a Constructive Tomorrow, is an advisory board member to the Cornwall Alliance, and is an advisor for the Energy, Natural Resources and Agricultural Task Force at the American Legislative Exchange Council.
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Greta Thunberg:We are in the beginning of a mass extinction.
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H. Sterling Burnett:That's not how you power a modern industrial system.
Andy Singer:The ultimate goal of this renewable energy, you know, land is to reach the exact same point that we're
Andy Singer:at now.
H. Sterling Burnett:Yeah. You know who's trying that? Germany. 7 straight days of no wind for Germany. Their factories are shutting down.
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Jim Lakely:So thank you to our streaming partners. Well, let's get started. Today, we have with us, as usual, doctor h Sterling Burnett. He is the, let me see. I have to change the camera.
Jim Lakely:There we go. H Sterling Burnett,
Jim Lakely:he's the director of the Arthur b Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy at the Heartland Institute. We also have Anthony Watts, senior fellow at the Heartland Institute and publisher of the most influential website in the world on climate, and that is What's Up With That. And also, of course, Linnea Lukin, research fellow for energy and environment policy here at the Heartland Institute. And our special guest coming back to the show for a second time is Lois Perry. Lois is a regular commentator on the BBC and GBN News in the UK and along with other big media outlets.
Jim Lakely:And like the Heartland Institute does here in the United States, Lois is fighting against climate alarmism, and destructive green energy foolishness in the United Kingdom, with tireless energy and good humor. A happy warrior. Welcome to the show again, Lois, and welcome everybody.
Lois Perry:Thank you for having me.
Jim Lakely:Good to be back on. I'm afraid, Lois has got a bigger battle than even us right now.
Anthony Watts:Oh, by a lot.
Lois Perry:Yeah. I I I really have. And with no hope on the horizon, at least you've got some hope in, in in, you know, mister Trump, president Trump. We don't seem to have any hope at all. We have 1 uni party at the moment with the exception of Nigel Farage's party, the reform party in parliament.
Lois Perry:They've got 5 MPs. They are committed to an anti net zero agenda, but it really is only them. It really is.
Jim Lakely:Right. Well, you know, what what would be a soccer mom in this country, but perhaps football mom in your country, was arrested for a social media post that the government didn't like and was deemed dangerous, and she was arrested. She was thrown in jail. What's what's going on over there in the UK, Lois? I mean, thanks for the magnitude of freedom
Lois Perry:is over. Well, absolutely. And, you know, we talked very, briefly, previously. You know, we've had pretty good run of it, haven't we, in terms of freedom in this country? You know, I accepted your thanks for the Magna Carta and and all of that.
Lois Perry:But it seems you can wave a machete, shout Allah Akbar, or kill the Jews or whatever, and that's absolutely fine. But if you protest against, you know, taking away freedom of speech or if you're, you know, anything like that, you and you're, you know, a soccer mom, you are going to be have your face pushed into the pavement, and you're gonna be arrested. And, yeah, a lady was arrested yesterday, a 55 year old woman for, doing misinformation on Twitter. And, Jim, you know, how long is it gonna be before what we're doing, what you do so amazingly at the Heartland Institute and with this fantastic program is illegal, and you get a knock on your door, or or actually actually it'd probably be me first. It'll be me first.
Lois Perry:Don't it? So
Jim Lakely:What what what could go wrong with the government deciding what's misinformation and what's not?
Lois Perry:I I Absolutely. I mean, you know, I've read a few things about obviously, the the term Orwellian is thrown around quite, you know, liberally these days. Excuse the pun. But, you know, not even Orwell could have foreseen this. I mean, what is going on?
Lois Perry:I I I don't even know I don't even recognize my country at the moment. It's like it's like an alien place in terms of attitudes and behaviors. It really is. We've gone full Marxist. My beautiful country, it's, it's really, really sad and and frightening.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, that's, that's kind of the main topic of this of this podcast today. We wanna have you on about going full socialist. You guys are going full socialist. You've embraced socialized medicine for quite a long time, and now you're gonna try to get socialized energy, I guess, and we'll see how great that works out.
Jim Lakely:We'll get to that in a minute. But I did wanna you mentioned Nigel Farage, and I I, just wanted to let our audience know that, Nigel Farage is going to be the keynote speaker at the Art Institute's 40th anniversary benefit dinner at the Hilton Chicago. It'll be in Chicago, I guess, about a month after the, democrats tear the city apart. I'm sure we'll have it all cleaned up a month later, which will be nice. By September 13th, we are pretty confident, that the fires will be put out and everything will be nice.
Jim Lakely:But, it'll be fiery inside because, Nigel Farage is going to be our keynote speaker. I know that you and he are are friends and certainly allies in the freedom movements. It's gonna be really something else.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Yeah. And, well, I I I will be attending as well. And, yeah. It's I I I can't wait.
Lois Perry:And, congratulations. Happy birthday to you guys. You know, how how wonderful to be, 40. I I I tell you what, just my own experience and, being in your forties is great. It's definitely my favorite decade, so hopefully, it'll be an even better decade for the Heartland Institute.
Jim Lakely:Right. Well, I'm still only in my early thirties, so, you know, I don't quite know what to do.
Anthony Watts:Very sorry. Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. And I just, I I I finally stopped being carded when I go into bars.
Jim Lakely:Right. That's right. Okay. So, yeah, anyway, everybody watching and listening, please go to heartland.org. You you are not gonna wanna miss meeting and hearing Nigel Farage.
Jim Lakely:I know he's going to give a, inspiring speech. And if you're a fan of Hillsdale College, which is probably the most important institution in the United States educating young people about freedom and liberty and American exceptionalism and the constitution and all the things that they need to know if they're going to be a generation that saves America in the decades ahead. Larry Aron, the president of Hillsdale College, is getting the Heartland, Liberty Prize at our benefit dinner on September 13th. That's a Friday coming up in, just a little more than a month. It's gonna be a fantastic event.
Jim Lakely:I hope you can go to heartland.org and get, more information and get your tickets, and we will see you there. Alright. Now we we have a lot of, we have a lot of fun on the show, and one of our favorite segments is, we we call it the crazy climate news of the week. And we kick around some ideas, Lois, that we see, the crazy stories we see. And it it it's hard to kinda narrow it down to just 3, and I try to cut it down to just 3.
Jim Lakely:We'll see if we could do that today. And but I like to have, our exploding and burning electric vehicle update. So our first story today is from the Wall Street Journal. This was, international news, actually. Huge fire sparked by a Mercedes Benz EV adds to safety concerns dogging the industry.
Jim Lakely:The story, has in here that it took just seconds for an underground South Korean residential parking lot to be engulfed in flames. The culprit was a Mercedes Benz EQE electric vehicle that hadn't not, that hadn't even been charging. The blaze incinerated dozens of cars nearby, scorched another 100 vehicles, and forced hundreds of residents to emergency shelters as the buildings above the parking lot lost power and electricity. Nobody died, thank god, but, the fire took 8 hours to extinguish. The blaze dominated national news in South Korea, and Some organizations are pushing for EVs to be parked outdoors only, and residents are protesting and lawmakers are proposing new safety measures.
Jim Lakely:Now, the Costa nation in South Korea, home to Hyundai and Kia and and some top battery makers as well, represents the latest test of faith for an EV industry dogged by safety concerns. This story states this, internal combustion engine cars are more likely to catch fire than EVs, according to South Korea's National Fire Agency. I don't believe that. Yeah. But when EVs do burst into flames, the rechargeable lithium ion batteries get hotter, and the fire takes longer to stamp out.
Jim Lakely:Now we got some videos on this stuff, to show you, and I will as I ask Sterling, since you're the biggest EV fan on this program. You love them. You just love EVs. I do. Alrighty.
Jim Lakely:How long can this continue, my friend? I mean, this is, if this I say it all the time on this pod. If if these cars were not mandatory, they would be justified to be banned.
Jim Lakely:How they are They
Jim Lakely:would be banned. That would that'd be just
Jim Lakely:burn up. The the Consumer Product Safety Commission, were it not for government possibly pushing them, it would have pulled them from the market for now. This you know, there's no evidence that the, the court Corvair, from the 19 sixties ever killed anybody, ever was less safe than any other vehicle at the time. One book had it pulled from the market. It doesn't matter how damaging these things are, how much property damage they do, how much, it's no it's not just EV cars, it's EV buses, it's EV, it's it's EV scooters, killing people in New York.
Jim Lakely:It's it's, it's EV, battery factories. It's backup battery factories. I I wrote about this Climate Change Weekly this week, by the way. I encourage everyone to read it. You know, the Mercedes, everyone's talking about this Mercedes.
Jim Lakely:Right? And and rightly so, it was in a parking garage underneath an apartment. They had to clear out the apartments. It's it's not just the put off the power, but it puts out toxic fumes. It destroyed destroyed dozens of cars around it.
Jim Lakely:It, did damage to more than a 100. You know, how how would you like how's your insurer like that? Yeah. I parked 20 spaces away from this EV, and I now have smoke and and other damage, I'm reporting.
Anthony Watts:No. I think this I think this thing needs a soundtrack. I think maybe Johnny Cash ring of fire would work for this, and it burned burned. The thing is
Jim Lakely:the thing is that was, that wasn't the only EV fire in South Korea I mean, in South Korea this past week. They had a key Kia catch on fire in an underground garage as well. The fire department was able to drag it out of the garage and put it out before it did a lot of damage. But, you know, do do do, cars internal combustion engine cars catch fire? Sure.
Jim Lakely:You get into an accident, they might catch fire. What they don't do is sit in your driveway and suddenly burst into flames. They don't do that spontaneously. EV cars do. And when they do, you know, go when when a truck overturns and it catches fire, they put the fire out pretty quickly.
Jim Lakely:When a when an EV battery truck overturns on a highway in Las Vegas as it did last week and and overturns, Highways are closed for 5 days. And then they still don't get the fire put out. They push the truck into the desert, a 100 yards away from the highway, build a berm around it, and let it burn itself out. This technology is a danger to life and property. And, not only will I not have it in my home, but I don't think anyone living near me should have it any more than they should be allowed to set up a shooting range in their backyard.
Jim Lakely:And lord knows I like shooting, but I don't want boats flying
Jim Lakely:over my fence. Right. Well, Anthony, I mean, this car so I wanted to just tell the audience here. So this the first there's 2 clips here. I've I've melded it together, and this is now it's really going crazy.
Jim Lakely:The first one is, the red car. That's in China. That's a car just charging, you know, quietly, but not so quietly when it and then here, the second clip is that parking garage fire in South Korea. So, kinda have it on a loop because it's just fascinating to me. But
Anthony Watts:Yeah. It's amazing. You know, this is a worldwide problem. You know? It's happening everywhere.
Anthony Watts:I mean, we see it in the United States, China, Korea. You know? It just it's becoming a theme and a meme. And the only thing I can think of to solve this problem is we get Boeing to work on it.
Anthony Watts:Well, I I think what's notable too is, you know, it's not like these are all just, like, you know, low level, you know, like, cheapy ones that are doing this. You know? You have a nice Mercedes there that just burst into flames. So it's not like it's all some sketchy manufacturing or something or some error. This is just a feature of these vehicles.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I mean, just 2 things I I have I will
Jim Lakely:Comes along with your satellite radio. Spontaneous combustion and satellite radio. The the spontaneous combustion is a free feature.
Jim Lakely:Right. Well, if you look at the Chinese vehicle fire, I mean, they a guy got there with a with a, fire extinguisher pretty quickly,
Jim Lakely:and it didn't have any effect
Jim Lakely:at all. The the fire got bigger. It's as if he put gasoline on it, not, or oxygen on it, not c o two. But I actually looked up wait. Hold on just one second, Luvs.
Jim Lakely:I looked up the Mercedes, electric vehicle prices here at a local dealership, the Chicagoland area. The cheapest sedan of a Mercedes is $85,000, and the most expensive is a $147,000. And so you're paying super premium prices and then just hoping your car doesn't spontaneously combust.
Jim Lakely:You're you're looking you're looking at this all wrong, Jim. That is a feature. It's a selling point. You can you can barbecue. You don't have to buy charcoal coal or anything.
Jim Lakely:You can barbecue
Lois Perry:with the Mercedes. Well, one of the things that we successfully did with my anti net zero organization, the only property anti net zero organization of the last 3 years, which was car 26. We we actually successfully campaign to get with the cons the cut the previous conservative government to get the ban for petrol and diesel vehicles and motorbikes pushed back because it was going to be 2030. We got it pushed back to 2035. The hope would be that we'd be able to just get it kicked into the long grass further and further along.
Lois Perry:But this insane communist government that's just come in, Ed Miliband, who, who I had a bit of a not altercation, but a bit of an interesting chat with once, at a party. It's a BBC party, I don't know how I got in there. I might I must have sneaked in. But, he, you know, he's one of the first things he's done is brought brought it brought it back. He would say it's going to be 2030 now.
Lois Perry:The the plan is to have no new petrol or diesel vehicles, made, you know, produced after 2030. There's no infrastructure to for electric vehicles. The public don't want them. In fact, electric vehicle sales have collapsed. When you take out the fact that people being forced to buy them for companies, leases, things like that, you know, there's no.
Lois Perry:This is all about and I've said this a 1000000 times on television in the UK. This has nothing to do with saving the planet. How do you think the electricity gets made? I mean, I know I'm preaching to the converted here, but it's made using fossil fuels. They're not powering electric trucks or or or or cars using windmills or butterfly flutters.
Lois Perry:You know? It's coming from from fossil fuels. And, you know, this is about keeping people in their homes. This is about disempowering working people, middle class people. And as you say, with the cost so prohibitively high, this is, you know, this is a case of we are all equal, but some of us are more equal than others.
Lois Perry:You know? Only the people at the very top of these extreme left wing ideologies will be the ones that can drive around in these cars that nobody wants in a $100,000 or whatever. So, yeah, very bad state of affairs in the UK.
Jim Lakely:Yep. Well, I'm sorry to hear that.
Jim Lakely:There might be no better than here. Look. In New York, EV scooters were considered the largest source of fires. They're they're they're danger. They they kill people in homes.
Jim Lakely:One one charging EV scooter exploded, caught a a a home on fire, 12 people dead, or not not there. That's it was 12 people in India. It was, I think, I don't know how many people died in the in the one fire in New York. But in a scooter fire in a showroom, this is the he got a showroom with a building on top of it. Scooter fire caught fire, 12 people dead.
Jim Lakely:A battery pat plant fire in, in San Diego, in May burned for 11 days. The the they couldn't put it out. They evacuated the people around the plant. They they issued a shelter in place order for the nearby prison. They were very concerned about prisoners, shelter in place like they were going anywhere.
Jim Lakely:And, then there's the big fire over in which country it was. Like I said, you can read climate change with me, but it's it's one after the other after the other where, people are dying. This isn't this isn't some. It's not just that it's expensive. If my house burns down, it's not good.
Jim Lakely:I'm not happy. But when people are dying, this is this is a more serious thing. And, and when they're dying because of specific government policy, that makes it even worse. The government should not be mandating things that they know are killing people.
Jim Lakely:Right. Yep. I mean, there's gonna be a major there's gonna be a big high rise fire started by, an electric vehicle in in a parking garage. It's gonna kill many, many people one of these days. It's just a matter of time.
Jim Lakely:So alright. Let's actually get on to some actually better news in crazy climate news. And it is, video I came across this week. Vivek Ramaswami, who ran for president as a republican and was considered a front runner to be Donald Trump's VP selection. Apparently, he has his own podcast, and he had on, Mark Cuban.
Jim Lakely:Mark Cuban is a billionaire who's the owner of the Dallas Mavericks, star of Shark Tank, and also an obnoxious leftist lout on Twitter x, especially when it comes to the climate. So I I I wanna play some of this because it's one of those rare conversations, that I think we need to see more of, and that is of a climate alarmist and a climate realist while trying to have a very real conversation. And I think, actually, organizations like ours, including yours, Lois, in the, the climate realist movement has something to do with this being possible. So I'm gonna play that right now.
Speaker 7:To me, I believe climate change is real. I believe it's man made. And if that is the case, I'm gonna be pro for anything that mitigates that risk. Because there's nothing more important to me in the value chain, right, in my risk analysis and dealing with probability than what's gonna create the best world for my kids. That's it.
Speaker 5:Yeah. So I'll I'll say a word about my own views on climate change. We don't have to debate this because the more important part is the business part, although we can debate the climate change part too. So do I believe global surface temperatures are going up? Yes, I do.
Speaker 5:Do I believe that there are man made causes that may be playing a role in that? It appears plausible that that that could actually be the case. However, I do not believe that that is anywhere near an existential risk for humanity.
Speaker 7:And you're fine. Just talk probable okay. Go ahead.
Speaker 5:So so just a couple couple facts. Sure.
Anthony Watts:Because you
Speaker 5:could you could put probabilities around it. But but
Jim Lakely:if you
Speaker 5:look at the hard hard realities are 8 times as many people die of cold temperatures today rather than warm ones. The earth is now covered by more green surface area today than it was a century ago because carbon dioxide is actually sustenance, plant food effectively.
Jim Lakely:K.
Speaker 5:And the right answer to all of these temperature related deaths, cold or hot, is more abundant and plentiful access to energy which requires fossil fuels. So that's a long reason.
Jim Lakely:What's that?
Speaker 7:What if you're wrong? What if you're wrong?
Speaker 5:What's the scale problem?
Speaker 7:What's the what's because we don't know. Nobody knows for certain. Right? So the way we model this
Speaker 5:stuff I can engage with that. I can engage with that. Right? Because I think that's a legit even if there's a 1% chance you're wrong, how do you know? My only answer to that is you could be wrong in both directions.
Speaker 5:Right?
Jim Lakely:Of course,
Speaker 7:you can. You can't. But in my case in my case, it costs money. In your case, your kids and my kids could be french fries, and their kids could have no chance.
Speaker 5:So so so the the so that debate's gonna go on for a really long time and I I'm super interested in that. I've got, you know, got a book coming out later this year, evaluating all of the different angles on this for part of that. The part I'm interested in though for the business point. Okay? Uh-huh.
Speaker 5:Why should it be an individual business or a CEO that takes into account what they're doing for their own business to address climate change? Would that not make your business less competitive relative to Chinese peers?
Jim Lakely:Well, depends. No. None of you, by
Speaker 5:the way, give it give give the first care about climate change.
Jim Lakely:Now, Anthony, I wanna go to you first because, you've been doing the climate realism stuff longer than, than any
Lois Perry:of us.
Jim Lakely:But, you know, it seems to me that the VIC had him almost there. Almost there, and then he went right into the panic mode again.
Anthony Watts:He was almost there. You're right. I could I could see the dumbfoundedness starting to sink in in his, facial expression there. And Mark Cuban was, like, searching for, how do I refute this? And so finally, he just sidestepped it.
Anthony Watts:He sidestepped all the facts and said, well, what if you're wrong? What if you're wrong? You know? And, literally, that's how he did it. And it it's typical of climate of Lermis where they just simply sidestep any facts that you put out there.
Anthony Watts:No matter how mild they might be, they just sidestep it and say, well, what if you're wrong? The earth is gonna burn up. My children are gonna be french fries. Where do they get this stuff?
Jim Lakely:Well, yeah. Well, and and the response the the response that Rameshwaram should have had, you know, had maybe he'd been prepared, had he read more, Heartland stuff, for instance, was it nobody's gonna be French fries. There's no evidence whatsoever that a one degree rise in temperature is gonna fry anyone. Secondly, he shouldn't have let him get away with Wait.
Anthony Watts:Wait. Wait. We should've sent chips for Lois, but Lois Yeah.
Jim Lakely:You know? That's not chips. There's there's you
Jim Lakely:know? And he shouldn't have let him get away with, oh, well, that's just dollars. That's just cost. 1 is your kids dying. Right?
Jim Lakely:No. It's death either way. How many people die today from lack of access to modern energy systems and modern agriculture built on modern energy systems? Millions every day, not a 100 years in the future. And so it's death versus death.
Jim Lakely:And as Rameshwaram was right, cold kills more people than heat. So, the response was, you're wrong, Mark. Your grandchildren you're right. Your grandchildren won't fry regardless, because they'll be in a nice air conditioned building. Right?
Jim Lakely:You're a billionaire. But you know what? A lot of people are dying now that are dying unnecessarily, and it will get worse in the future if we follow your advice and jettison fossil fuels on the off chance that in the future, the temperature will rise a little bit and seas will rise a little bit. We can't somehow, we can't do what the Dutch have done for 100 of
Lois Perry:years. Yeah.
Anthony Watts:You're muted, Jim.
Anthony Watts:It's just just it it's just amazing, you know, watching people like Mark Cuban. And I've seen this look and this attitude time and time again. They are completely unreachable. They are absolutely convinced that climate change is a threat. We're gonna burn up in the future if we don't do something.
Anthony Watts:You know? And climate models are more valuable than looking at what's happened in the past or what's happening now. They are full onboard with disaster is in our future, and we have to do something now. And that's the problem with this. How do you put the brakes on something like this when you've got, you know, this sort of errant behavior going on in someone's head where they can't stop to look at what's really happening?
Lois Perry:I think it's to do with, a lack of faith, you know, people not being religious. I mean, because it's it's a classic death cult, the whole, you know, we're all going to burn up. We're all going to die for our sins, our abundance, you know, all of the decadence and everything. And it's even got its saints, you know, Greta Thunberg and and people like that. And I think the less people have faith in god or or any or something bigger than themselves, whatever they may choose to call it, the more they're inclined to go down the the route of these of these suicide death death cults because as you say, without abundant access to energy or without access to abundant energy, I should say rather, people do die, and they die very, very young as as we can see in countries which don't have the access that you that you guys do and that we do at the moment before the blackout start with this new nonsense energy company that our, energy secretary has started.
Lois Perry:You know? So I I do firmly believe that that people want to believe in something, and they want to punish themselves as well. It's a it's a quite a strange human phenomenon, and and this is the most recent. But but just going back to another point, Gretchen Thunberg,
Anthony Watts:I think valuation.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But, also, it shows you it's nothing to do with the kind of because she has switched from, like, one day to the next from being the anti, the sorry, the pro net zero girl to being on, pro Hamas and pro Palestine marches calling for the genocide of, the Jews, you know, shouting from the river to the sea and all of that. So it just shows you how these extreme left views can be so easily transferred.
Lois Perry:Shit shit, anti capitalist, pro Hamas, and, pro net zero. They just switch around, but, you know, it's just it's just a Marxist agenda, I think.
Jim Lakely:Let me say something. Anthony said self flagellation. Cuban's doing no self flagellation. He's not giving up his jets. He's not giving up his houses or his cars.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. He's not pledging. He wants to whip you. Right. He wants to whip you, not himself.
Jim Lakely:He's not sacrificing anything. His life isn't changing a wit. Maybe he buys a second electric Hummer. Oh, that's a sacrifice. A $150,000 vehicle that he drives on occasion.
Jim Lakely:Alright. I didn't think that would trigger so many people so badly. I thought it was an encouraging sign that I think Ramaswami was basically running down, as if we handed him talking points of truth and data based, science to him before he spoke. So the fact that a person as smart as Vivek, who is not a specialist in climate policy like we are on this on this podcast, can have at the top of his head, facts that are stated with such, clarity and authority that a lot of them got past Mark Cuban before he realized he was agreeing with him. Like, the earth is getting greener, that humans may have played some part.
Jim Lakely:It's plausible, but we don't know. You know? So I I congratulate Vivek for that. Vivek, I know you're still working on your book. I have several good candidates to help you with your climate, climate change chapter.
Jim Lakely:Just, go to heartland.org, find my email, and we'll hook you up. We'll do it for free as well.
Lois Perry:It's it's great.
Jim Lakely:Alright. One one last item and Oh,
Jim Lakely:if you wanna donate, that'd be great.
Jim Lakely:Yes. Yeah. That's true. Alright. So, one one last item here, and this is, you know, I thought this story would have been would have died a few weeks ago, but it's the ongoing disaster with the offshore wind debacle off over there off off of Nantucket off Massachusetts.
Jim Lakely:And I know there's a lot of offshore wind in the UK, Lois, so we'll be asking you about that in a minute. But so if you're not familiar with this incident, so, debris from the failed Vineyard wind turbine has washed ashore now in Falmouth, town officials said, weeks after a blade broke off and fell into the ocean. Falmouth, by the way, is on Cape Cod, not Nantucket. The turbine manufactured by GE, Vernova, and part of the Vineyard Wind Project failed on July 13th, and debris has scattered across nearby beaches angering residents on Nantucket and now in Cape Cod. Preliminary investigation said it was due to a manufacturing deviation.
Jim Lakely:Apparently, the, the glue, the adhesive wasn't wasn't very good, so it it shredded apart. The turbine failed at Vineyards Wind Offshore Farm about 15 miles south of Nantucket and Martha's Vineyards. And so right now, they have boats in the in the water trying to scoop up all of this debris. I would I would assume these are not sailboats, but these are boats that are using diesel powered engines. All this from one single blade on one single turbine coming apart.
Jim Lakely:I'm gonna share some pictures here. I'm gonna add this here. Here we go. This is the actual blade. I found a picture of this.
Jim Lakely:This is the turbine that's out in the ocean. Each one of those blades is as tall as the statue of liberty. What? And and, and this is a, this is my little map. This is somewhat to scale, but we have our little wind turbine sitting out there, 15 miles south of Nantucket.
Jim Lakely:And, what, a a month later, one single blade. There's pieces of that blade washing up on shore 40 miles away. This is a disaster, and it's one freaking blade. Now, Lois, I know there's tons of offshore, wind in the UK, in the North Sea, for instance, off Shetland and all of that. Did they just make them better up there?
Jim Lakely:And we we make them like crap in this country because this disaster could happen for 1 blade on 1 turbine. It seems like this is not very safe for the environment.
Lois Perry:It isn't safe for the environment, and we all know about the damage that they do to wildlife and and things like that. You know? So, basically, yeah, I I I alluded earlier to the Ed Ed Miliband, the energy secretary. The one of the first things that this new Marxist government had done is they've they've they've pretended to everyone that they've set up a a new energy company. They were basically going to nationalize energy.
Lois Perry:It couldn't be further from the truth. So there's a thing called the Great British Energy Company, which is supposed to I'm so sorry. Sorry. I'm just on on a Zoom. Can I call you back?
Lois Perry:Okay. Thanks. Bye. So sorry. Yeah.
Lois Perry:So the first thing you wanted to do was put all this money into renewables. You want to quadruple onshore wind, double offshore wind, and and solar capacity, and and all of that stuff. And it's complete and utter nonsense. It's just an investment vehicle, basically. And but the money that they wanna put in, they've got initial c capital of 8,300,000,000.
Lois Perry:Well, bearing in mind, a very low quote for just 3 offshore wind farms recently was 10,000,000,000. The figures don't really add up. But the main beneficiary, and I say this so sadly because I'm a committed monarchist like all the people on the right in this country. The king is making so much money from this. He really is.
Lois Perry:I mean, he's set to make 9,000,000,000 over 10 years, from offshore wind because, obviously, he owns he he owns all the sea up, you know, out to I think it's 25 miles, off the coastline. So, yeah, he's making an absolute fortune. And the crown estate, they, the company that looks after all the affairs for the king, is actually done a deal with the Labor Party before they even got into power to team up with this great British energy debacle. It's it's it's just not gonna happen. What what are we what are they gonna do when the grid's totally intermittent?
Lois Perry:Well, he's offered no, understanding about what they're gonna do for back up and all of that. Any gas, backup that they'd have to have for electricity would be so expensive because speculators would make sure that it was. It just hasn't been thought through and it just seems like maybe people who've done some donations or something are gonna get some payback from the public purse. Subsidy. Subsidy.
Lois Perry:But the worst thing is that they said that it was gonna save the, the British consumer all of this money, whereas everyone knows it's not, and they've peddled right back on it now. And at the same time, as they're giving away hang on. Let me just work this out. 11.6 £1,000,000,000 in overseas aid, to, combat climate change. They've abolished the 300 pound winter fuel payment for all but the very poorest pensioners in this country.
Lois Perry:So you can imagine the anger at the moment. The the everyone's furious. Absolutely furious. Yeah. So, yeah, we we, we have offshore wind.
Lois Perry:We hate it. We pay 3 to 4 times more for our energy. Sometimes up to 8 times more than you guys because we're not fracking. It's very sad.
Jim Lakely:You say anger, and yet they elected this clown, knowing that he was worse than even the previous government on these issues. So
Lois Perry:Only to yeah. You know? Yes and no.
Jim Lakely:They're either snookered they're either snookered or something. But as far as the North Sea, perhaps, the crown just doesn't care about the Scottish, coast because, well, Scotland wants independence. So if stuff washes up on their coast, who cares? And if it washes up on the on the, you know, the the Nordic countries coast, Who cares about that? What we what we do know from studies in Scotland is that there's a huge microplastics problem.
Jim Lakely:Now maybe people aren't really that concerned about microplastics, but I hear about it a lot. I hear the environmentalists tell me that we're destroying the ocean with microplastics, and you're destroying fields with microplastic, it turns out, because these turbines, even when they don't just collapse, even when the the, the blades don't shred, you know, just break apart, They're constantly shedding plastics off the edge in the wind and in storms as they're battered. Putting that stuff into the oceans if it's if it's, offshore and on the land, making some of it unfarmable, when it's onshore, because of the microplastics. And, you know, there's a problem. You know?
Jim Lakely:People say, oh, climate's the most important thing, but then they go and say, oh, we gotta do something about plastics in the ocean. Well, look, you got 2 opposing forces here, and, wind is adding to the one problem. You can't get around it. It's not green. If by green, you mean, having no environmental impact, because it has a huge impact directly and in the production of the turbines and everything else.
Jim Lakely:The thing about this Vineyard Wind project is that there's supposed to be, I believe, 62 turbines offshore, and they've only built a third of them. Now they've had to shut them all down because they have to figure out why, this this was such a failure. And so this project is supposed to be 3 times larger than it is, and it's just one project. It's just 3 times it's gonna be 3 times the size it is now, and there's already these problems that are shutting down the beaches in the middle of summer in high, high tourism season in all these places. I gotta say, I do not have much sympathy for them.
Jim Lakely:These are the kinds of, people that want this, that buy into they're more Cubans of the world, if you will, that buy into this nonsense. And now they have the, the beautiful, clean, green energy washing up on their shores and ruining their summers.
Jim Lakely:So oh, well. Well, the plastic in that picture did look green. So, you know, maybe Oh, that's strange.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Well, we're gonna get a little deeper.
Lois Perry:Sorry. About the North Sea, we we've actually decided our government's decided to shut down, not not only start decommissioning of all of, oil and gas wells that are in that are offshore in the North Sea, but, but actually got no new license since for oil and gas exploration in the North Sea as well. So not only, you know, are they they're just completely committed to making sure we have zero energy independence whatsoever, and all those jobs are going to be lost. All of those jobs.
Anthony Watts:That's such a shame. I knew a couple people, from Scotland who worked North Sea, and they came to work in the Gulf just temporarily while work was slow, up there. And there's some good people. It's probably, like, some of the best work that people without a full, you know, college degree can get.
Jim Lakely:Yep. Well, they're gonna lose all that money from the North Sea too if they shut it down. I mean, now I guess that's why they're, replacing it with all this wind, but the wind itself it is a net revenue drain, not a net revenue producer.
Jim Lakely:Yep.
Jim Lakely:It requires government funding. It doesn't provide funding for the government.
Lois Perry:They don't care about it. They're not they they don't believe in capitalism. They it's not a concern for them. In fact, the worst it is for for ordinary people and for the economy, you know, the more the merrier. They love it.
Lois Perry:They want to annihilate the western way of life. Absolutely annihilate it. And, unfortunately, they're making quite a good start of it here in the UK.
Jim Lakely:Well, Russia look. Russia did that for 50 years, and it collapsed. In the end, you can't spend your whole life in any government, and we're about to find this out here, I guarantee. Deficit spending. You have to have revenue coming in.
Jim Lakely:And the North Sea provides
Lois Perry:19, 50 years. I don't wanna wait that long.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. True. Alright. Well, let's get let's get to that main topic then. We'll, we have something funny to share at the end, from Anthony, that he shared with us in our Slack this week.
Jim Lakely:But, let's get to this main topic, and it's it's about the, the great, what is called the great British Energy Company. And, I don't know if you can bring that if you can bring that website up for us. We can have a look here. And so let me just read some of this, government propaganda, for the audience. And then, Lois, maybe you could pop in here and tell us what's really going on.
Jim Lakely:I think
Lois Perry:I'd love to.
Jim Lakely:Have a good laugh. So, this propaganda, this is an official government website. It says we will make Britain a clean energy superpower. The first step to achieving that is to set up great British energy. It will be a company owned by the British people to deliver power back to the British people.
Jim Lakely:We believe in this country we believe people in this country should own and benefit from our natural resources, and great British energy is the first step to ending the UK's energy insecurity. So, you know, it's not enough, I guess, to have socialized medicine, Lois, the National Health Service. Now you have to have socialized energy production. Just like Venezuela. It's gonna be wonderful.
Jim Lakely:Excellent.
Lois Perry:Well, absolutely. Although socialism would probably be quite welcome compared to this lot. I mean, they they this, you know, Trotsky hasn't got a patch on, on on our dear leader, Keir Starmer. I don't even know where to start on how ridiculously stupid all of this is. I mean, if they really believed in, in energy independence and but I just just, you know, blowing my own trumpet.
Lois Perry:I know you Americans don't mind blowing your own trumpet. But, you know, we were the ones that actually made a big deal in my organization about the need for energy independence and sovereign energy and being self reliant. We we were the ones that pushed that narrative, and then the tories had start talking about it and now the labor party are too. But if they really believed in it, we would be fracking. We would have nationalized fracking, but they clearly don't.
Lois Perry:But I mean, the, very the I think it was the EU quite recently said that, oh, by the way, we've decided nuclear is green. So, so they've re, rebranded nuclear now, and so, apparently, that's going to be brought into the mix at a later point. Well, it's gonna have to be a much later point because it takes I'm I'm sure well, you guys know this much better than me, but it's a is it at least 10 to 15 years to get nuclear on on get to get it going? So, you know, the this is all totally disingenuous. It's totally and utterly fake.
Lois Perry:And the idea that it's going to be, as I say, creating any kind of energy independence or lowering people's bills is a downright straight lie. It really is. It makes me really angry. Sorry, Jim.
Jim Lakely:That is just fine. Yeah. The, but, see, it it goes on here. It also says that it's gonna be headquartered in Scotland and be paid for by a windfall tax windfall tax on oil and gas giants. Great British Energy will invest clean in clean power projects all across the UK, such as wind farms, which are the cheapest forms of electricity generation to build and to operate.
Lois Perry:Mom. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:That's what they say. This will help make our country energy independent, kicking tyrants like Putin to the curb, tackling climate change, and saving families money. And, of course, it'll it'll create all of these jobs. So, you know, that's a pretty good sales pitch. It's the kinda it's the same sales pitch we get here in the United States.
Jim Lakely:Is it going I guess it's not going over any better in Britain than it was than it is here.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Well, in further news, war is peace, you know, freedom is slavery and, and, you know, and, the pigs have gone to live in the farmhouse and everybody else is completely shookered. This is I don't know what to say. I really don't. It is such a load of baloney.
Lois Perry:And and but I do I don't think the British public are buying it. I mean, our most recent polling that we did, our YouGov polling that we did for car 26 showed that for the first time ever since we'd started the project, that started our campaign 3 years ago, over half of those surveyed didn't believe that man was responsible for any kind of climate change. So the British public aren't buying it. And, you know, institutes like yours, smaller organizations, that bow down to you guys like mine, and, you know, I hope that we've got we've had a big part of that. As you said earlier, you know, the fact that that guy had the arguments to to counteract the, you know, the billionaire is because he's heard it on on shows like yours.
Jim Lakely:And, evidently, he couldn't have that argument in UK now, so there you go. But
Lois Perry:Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, I've been banned from a couple of stations now. Even ones that you would you would have thought before would have been on our side. It's quite sad, actually. It it really is. So, yeah.
Lois Perry:It is I'm not just sitting along grass everywhere. Thank goodness.
Jim Lakely:It is sort of frightening just how far the Arwillian Road we've gone down. When they can consistently, you know, Jim pointed out, consistently claim wind is cheaper. Wind is cheaper. If it's cheaper, why does the government keep having to subsidize it to keep it afloat?
Jim Lakely:Exactly. Why
Jim Lakely:Why? When they're building more wind all the time, the cheapest, freest form of energy there is, are utility rates going up and up and up because it's not cheaper? 1, the facts belie the claims. You could it's one of those things. Are you gonna believe your electricity bill?
Jim Lakely:Are you gonna believe believe what we're telling you about elect your electricity bill, which is it's cheaper even as you pay more?
Anthony Watts:Well, you're you're thinking so, you know, Sterling, what your your problem there is that you're thinking that the government can actually do math and understand engineering. They don't.
Jim Lakely:Oh, I have no illusions about that. They just lie. They just lie. Their politicians
Lois Perry:They just lie.
Jim Lakely:Mouse move, they lie.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. So just one last bit on on this. So is this is this a real thing? Is the UK actually going to do this? I mean, this was a proposal by Keir Starmer, the new prime minister.
Lois Perry:No. No. It's already been announcing and doing it are 2
Jim Lakely:different things.
Lois Perry:Go ahead. Yeah. It's it's happening. It it's just a as I say, it's been billed as a state owned energy company, but it's not an energy company at all. As as I said, it's the investment vehicle and, and the figures that they're talking about put it in are minuscule compared to what would be, needed.
Lois Perry:I mean, for example, I read today that for one day's worth of stories, just one day in the United Kingdom, we'd need a battery that cost a 100,000,000,000 quid. Well, good luck with the 8,300,000,000, Ed, because that's not gonna buy you not even 1 tenth of 1 day's battery storage. I think they better get back to the drawing board. Unless, hey, how weird. Maybe this isn't about saving the planet.
Lois Perry:Who'd thought it?
Jim Lakely:That's great. That's pretty cynical, Lois. I don't know. We'll see. Alright.
Jim Lakely:Linnea, we're gonna go to q and a here in a minute so you can get ready for that. But, I wanted to give Lois another opportunity to talk about, her friend, Nigel, who is coming with us to our, benefit dinner on September 13th. That's a Friday coming up in a few weeks. You know, I guess a lot of our listeners, they may not know much about about Nigel. We know about him, and I I always assume other people know what I know, but they might not.
Jim Lakely:So why don't you tell us a little bit about Nigel and and his fight against net zero and socialism that you're all also a part of?
Lois Perry:Well, Nigel is quite possibly the most significant, politician of the, definitely of the last 50 years. I mean, he's he's regularly talked about and in the last in the last 100 years, in the same breath as Churchill and Margaret Thatcher, He fought absolutely tirelessly, and against massive odds to get us the, referendum and to have us removed from the European Union. He's a passionate believer in democracy, in parliament, and and and in all of those things, and and in us having our own independence. He is, a very passionate man. He's an extremely intelligent man, and he is one of the if not I he is definitely one of the most famous individuals in the United Kingdom, and he's definitely the most famous politician.
Lois Perry:He, surprised everyone when the election was called very early by our former prime minister Rishi Sunak. He surprised everybody by actually changing his mind and decided to run as an MP because he knew that the momentum was behind him. And not only did he finally, after decades of trying, and I believe it was 8 tenths of, running to be an MP, Not only did he get into parliament, but he got 4 other MPs as well. So we now have the only party in parliament, which is, which speaks, I believe, for for normal British people that, you know, there is anti net zero that does believe that certain topics should be discussed, like immigration, things like that. They do they don't believe that people should have a right to to be free, to have freedom of speech, to to not have to pay all their money over in taxes.
Lois Perry:There's a reason that him and, Donald Trump are like that. You know, they're they're singing off the same hymn sheet. And I'm delighted that he's been a supporter of me and my organization. And, he actually credits me, with, you know, steering him towards the anti net zero stuff, which is very nice of him. And, I can tell you now, he's excited and delighted to be attending your event next month.
Jim Lakely:That is fantastic news, and we are very, very much looking forward to seeing him and you, as well. Okay. Yep. So, again, get your tickets at heartland.org. It's on September 13th.
Jim Lakely:Alright. We're gonna switch over to q and a, but I just wanted to share something, before we get into that. Anthony Anthony well, let me just set this up. I'll throw this up here in the thing. So, you know, hurricane came through came through Florida the other day.
Jim Lakely:Right, Anthony? And, you know, it's only category 1, so those Florida is pretty used to it. So they don't take it quite as seriously as maybe the weather channel does.
Anthony Watts:Yep. And so we've got Florida man out there on his boat photo bombing the weather channel. He's wearing nothing but a yellow inflatable inner tube. And, you know, this happens pretty regularly with the media. You know?
Anthony Watts:They they do something
Lois Perry:where it's
Anthony Watts:out there telling everybody how terrible this storm is. You know? And somebody in the background does something hilarious. A few years ago, it was somebody, walking by. You know, you see the scene in this reporter and this water behind them and and the way they framed it makes it look like, you know, it's it's, you know, super deep.
Anthony Watts:And then there's these 2 guys just kinda walking along. Then there was the famous one where this reporter was in a canoe, you know, for the flood. And, again, somebody just walks by because the water's only this deep. It's Right. Hilarious what the media does to try to make these weather events look like disasters.
Anthony Watts:And then somebody like this guy comes along and just blows them out of the water.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. So to speak.
Lois Perry:I don't think it's the only thing that might have been blown out of the water looking at his attire. That's
Jim Lakely:right. Yeah. And they, they make it pretty tough in Florida. Yeah. That that that, hurricane came up and around where the, where the peninsula and the and the panhandle come together.
Jim Lakely:So, good on them. Good on the
Jim Lakely:has been suffering from the tropical storm for the most of the week.
Anthony Watts:So Right.
Jim Lakely:Right. That's right.
Lois Perry:Excited to
Anthony Watts:just sit and tap dance on top of us. It's alright.
Jim Lakely:You can see even the weather channel guy, I think he knows what's going on behind us.
Anthony Watts:I think the weather channel reporter is actually seeing this in his monitor. They've got a a monitor there so they can see themselves. I think he's seeing this because you can see he's got kind of a grin on his face.
Jim Lakely:He's trying not to laugh out loud.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Good stuff. Good stuff. Thanks for sharing that. Thanks for sharing that, Anthony.
Jim Lakely:So alright. Let's, let's get into the question and answer period. I'm sure, Lois, there might be a question or 2 for you. We get some science questions. This show is nice to be in public service.
Jim Lakely:And, Linnea, take it away.
Anthony Watts:Alright. Well, we have a lot of questions this time, so that's good. Our first one is okay. This is a science question. So I'm gonna pitch this to Anthony and see what he thinks.
Anthony Watts:Question from Itsy Toe says, can you explain someday why solar radiance has so much different values between satellites?
Anthony Watts:Well, there are different sensors. You know, the the the satellites don't match up, and that's one of the problems we've got with sea level acceleration. You've got all these different satellites. You know, the satellites have a lifespan of, you know, 5 to 8 years, something like that. And so they've had these satellites measuring sea level since around 1990 or so, and they keep changing the satellite, changing the sensor.
Anthony Watts:And there's this impression when you plot all the data from these satellites that there's an acceleration going on. But it's actually just an artifact of the data and an artifact of the measuring system. But that doesn't stop climate alarmists for saying that, you know, sea level is accelerating. The satellites proved it when it's absolutely wrong.
Anthony Watts:Thank you very much. Yeah. There's definitely inconsistencies. And the first thing that popped into my mind is, are are we measuring apples to apples with the solar radiance on these satellites, or are we measuring at the same time from satellites on one side of the planet or the other? Because that would be if it was cloaked behind the planet, that would be a pretty good reason for why the solar radiance is being measured differently.
Anthony Watts:Next question is from a long time viewer and friend of ours, Albert. He says, are you going to talk about the northern sea route in Canada that's still closed frozen? That wasn't on the schedule today, but, and I'm not sure if that's
Lois Perry:Well, they they
Anthony Watts:they actually occurred or not. Maybe my house on the panel knows.
Jim Lakely:They've been they've been claiming for a couple of decades now that the we would finally have the, the northern route, through the Arctic with all the melting. You remember back in the 1800, this was longed for. They wanted a shortcut for trade across the top of the world. They didn't wanna have to go around south the tips of South America or Africa to get through. So explorers were trying to find the north, the northern route.
Jim Lakely:A couple of decades ago, they were predicting it was about to happen. In fact, they had to stop shipping in the north early, this year because there was too much ice already. So, we had a a big decline, in the early, in in in early 2000. It was declined from a high point. So it looked pretty steep, and that's when they're making their predictions.
Jim Lakely:It turns out it's stabilized and, at least in the last year, it's expanded. Like I said, they had to close the route the the shipping up there early.
Anthony Watts:Thank you. Alright. From Energy Colonizer, this is for you, Lois. He asked, how are native British faring in winter with utility bills and possibly freezing to death while illegal alien utility bills are likely subsidized?
Lois Perry:Well, I mean, you know, it's been really, really tough. I mean, obviously, it's it's summer at the moment. It's actually too hot at the moment. Although, it's called the summer. No no need to get stressed out.
Lois Perry:But, no, it's been really, really difficult. You know, there were cases in the winter just gone of elderly people who froze to death, who were found by family members a few days later. People there was this phrase choosing between heating or eating, which a lot of people were having to do last year. I did a tour at the North of England and interviewed lots of people. There were women who were having to switch their fridges off because they couldn't afford to have the heating on and their fridge on, and so their babies weren't getting you know, the the milk was going off and stuff like that.
Lois Perry:So yeah. And yeah. It is true that, and this is causing a lot of resentment at the moment. There are people that are coming in quite often illegally, on small boats, which is one of the thing that one of the things that Nigel Farage has been pointing out, Nigel Farage, MP. You know, that everything's covered for them, and it does cause a lot of resentment.
Lois Perry:But, yeah, people are really, really, really struggling. When I mentioned earlier, you know, when we've got this £11,600,000,000 in overseas aid to, to combat the climate crisis, that's been commit committed to. And they're cutting £300 of winter for pensioners, elderly people when energy prices are through the roof. We haven't even begun to see the devastation that that will bring. So, so yeah.
Lois Perry:We are we're, you know, we're quite a stoic lot, us Brits, but yeah. I think they're definitely gonna be a lot more deaths this winter because of this nonsense. Definitely.
Anthony Watts:It's just awful. I'm gonna pitch another one to you here, Lois, since you're on a roll. Do you think the organization just stop oil is tied to British intelligence? And that's from Terry Barnes.
Lois Perry:Well, I mean, you you know they won't come on television with me now. There was an edict from apparently right from the very top, of the organization in New York that they wouldn't come on with Lois Perry from car 26 because I got this guy, this just off oil guy to admit on GB News that they were funded by Getty Oil Money. And, and apparently, just a oil hierarchy weren't very happy about that. But, I mean, it's just come out, hasn't it? That one of the subsidiary companies of one of hell Hillary Clinton's charities, I believe, or one of our companies was also funding just off oil.
Lois Perry:So I don't know if it's linked to British intelligence, but what I do know is that it's definitely funded by oil money. And, you know, we we there are hot some high profile people. For example, a guy called Dalvints. He's benefited enormously from subsidies from the the UK government for net zero stuff, and he owns a company that does renewable electricity and and things like that. And he he's he's spoken out in favor, and I think he's put money into just off oil.
Lois Perry:So, you know, it's, it's very, very strange, especially when you've got people that own airlines, you find out that through subsidiary companies or charities, they're putting money into just Stockwell. But I do get what he's saying because sometimes you do think, how are they getting this paint into the museums? How are they getting so close to these great masters, these paintings, everything? You know, is there insider knowledge? Why aren't their bags being checked?
Lois Perry:So I can see why we may think that, but I don't have any insider knowledge to say whether that's true or not, I'm afraid.
Jim Lakely:It's not surprising to me that oil companies, are, funding this stuff, and it's not just that they want to burnish their images. Look, major oil companies are enormous. When smaller oil companies go out of business, they profit more. And it's the smaller ones that can't deal with the regulations.
Lois Perry:Yes. So no more new oil and gas licenses benefit, the bigger companies. Yes. I did say that once. You're right.
Lois Perry:Yeah.
Jim Lakely:So, it it doesn't surprise me if they shut down their competition and they've got the existing wells. Good for them as as far as they're concerned.
Anthony Watts:Yep. Right? Or they buy them off of the small companies as they're selling their assets
Lois Perry:and stuff. I kinda think
Jim Lakely:They go to the fire sales and purchase their assets.
Anthony Watts:Ugh. Good good stuff. Okay. Here's kind of a fun one from Redneck Screwloose. He says, who called it?
Anthony Watts:Rand, Orwell, or Huxley? And I wanna answer this first. Although I I lean towards husk Huxley because brave new world, which I think is his, is, is, distressingly correct. But I actually am gonna give you one that's not on your list, and that's Lewis. That Hideous Strength is, a a underreferenced book mostly because it's a it's a the 3rd in a series, but I would say CS Lewis' That Hideous Strength is actually, the best one out of all of them for that.
Jim Lakely:Well, I think I think Rand, I'm not sure if she's dead on or hit or or missed the mark entirely because the thing about Rand is at least in Atlas Shrugged, the the capable withdrew their consent. So they went off to their small island and society collapsed. As far as I can tell, they're not withdrawing their consent. You know, it's society's collapsing. Don't get me wrong.
Jim Lakely:But it's not because the capable have said, no, we're not gonna put up with this anymore. You can tax us till the end. We just withdraw. We won't, we won't keep our companies running. We'll, instead, you know, people like Boeing, just start keep throwing money at us for our Starliner.
Jim Lakely:We'll stay afloat. You know, don't don't regulate us too hard on our, falling airplanes. And if we do, we'll just go to the government, you know, get, car companies. We'll do whatever you want. You want electric?
Jim Lakely:We'll go electric. Just all you gotta do is throw enough money at us. We'll keep it we'll keep it afloat. We'll lose $40,000 a vehicle. So, you know, as much as I'd like to see, the capable withdrawing consent and and, hopefully, they'd have a place for a little philosopher in their, you know, Randian Kingdom.
Jim Lakely:A philosopher pirate, I'd be willing to play that role. The, I'm afraid Orwell has is is closest to the mark. Though we do have a lot of people on drugs and zombified just like Huxley. And just I just don't know that the government is passing it out to everybody.
Lois Perry:Well, during the lockdown, I I was noticing I mean, I didn't take any notice as I was driving around and doing, you know I I was virtually on my own driving around, but I was driving around. And I was noticing the people dropping drugs off and stuff like that at houses and things, and I thought, well, if I noticed it, and I'm not a professional police I'm not a policeman, then the police are letting this happen. They must be. I mean, I'm not gonna go full conspiracy theory, but if me, you know, a middle aged mom can see it, then surely law enforcement officers would be able to notice it. And it was completely right.
Lois Perry:It it was almost like keeping quiet in their homes. But but going back to, to the question, I don't think it's gonna surprise you that much, you know, with the amount of quotations that I've done. That it's gotta be mister Eric Blair. It's gotta be George Orwell himself. Yeah.
Lois Perry:He called it. He really did. I wish he hadn't, but he really did.
Anthony Watts:Anthony or or Jim, you wanna pitch in on that one?
Jim Lakely:Oh, I mean, they all I think they all got it is what I think. There's aspects of modern warfare each one of those. Each one of those books, there's no doubt about it. It's, it's that's pretty depressing. It would have been bad enough just for 1, but we have all 3.
Jim Lakely:You know who didn't get it? Thomas Moore, Utopia.
Anthony Watts:Here's, here's Chris Martz, a friend of ours and a, very big personality on x. I believe he now is working at, interning at CFACT, I think. Yes. He's a he's a friend of ours. He says there were a lot of right wing victories in European elections.
Anthony Watts:How effective will this be to derail the green agenda? Is that some of that. It can be for you, and and we'll probably also have a little bit to pitch in because we've been covering stuff in the Netherlands and and whatnot for a while here.
Lois Perry:Yeah. I mean, well, the UK, it does seem to be going against the grain. As I'm sure you're aware, the rest of Europe is, you know, with Georgia Maloney and the, and, you know, the other things that are going on that that is increasingly anti net zero agenda. So which makes the behavior of our government seem even more insane. But if they're going anti net zero and we're going to be unfortunately dependent on them for our energy, then I suppose that that's a good thing.
Lois Perry:But yeah. I mean, but we we are the the the right the right will unite. The Tories will will rise up again, and they'll do something with reform. I'm absolutely certain. And I think Nigel Farage will be the one to lead that.
Lois Perry:And and it and when he does, net zero will not be top of the agenda. I can assure you of that.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. I I do think that they're, attempting to a lot of European countries are attempting on their own to squirm out of it, but the European Union is which is why Brexit was such a stroke of genius. The European Union really has quite a bit of control over how these countries, approach agriculture and stuff. And that for for what we've been covering at Climate Realism, the agriculture angle is one of the most frightening. A lot of European countries are being pressured to basically end agriculture in their countries.
Anthony Watts:I know in the UK last, I think it was last winter or something, there was a bad spot of weather in Africa, which a lot of produce comes from, into the UK. And so you had some some, like, empty shelves in the grocery stores because of it. And the government was blaming the markets. The grocery stores,
Lois Perry:you know, the shops. Putting up the other one. They pull out the bag most of the time.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Yeah. And so they're blaming the the grocery stores for for whatever, for capitalism or whatever it is that they're mad at them for. So, versus, you know, it's not like you can grow papaya or something in the UK, but it's still you know, if you were self sufficiency is is going to be important, and and on such a small landmass and especially with a lot of, European countries are so much smaller. We in the United States have a little bit of a difficult time wrapping our heads around this when you look at, the, like, vast amounts of land that our country is able to dedicate to growing produce compared to individual European countries, it's, yeah, it's quite a bit of a difference.
Anthony Watts:So the green stuff banning fertilizers that help to improve yields and all of that, makes it a lot worse. I'm gonna answer this one really fast from, very futile who says, how is the efficiency regarding nuclear versus wind power per megawatt hour? I don't know about efficiency off the top of my head, but I do know in terms of land use, nuclear is about 12.7 acres per megawatt. And then solar is 43.5 acres per megawatt. So it's, yeah, it's quite a bit.
Anthony Watts:And wind is also up there. I don't have the number directly in front of me. But,
Jim Lakely:wind is bigger than solar, land land use, landscape, the footprint. And as far as efficiency, I I can't put it in megawatts. What I know is there are some we have closed nuclear plants over the past decade and a half. Despite that, the supply of nuclear energy has remained nearly constant, and that's because their efficiencies are so high and they've improved. There are currently nuclear plants that are running regularly at a 104% of capacity.
Jim Lakely:In other words, they're producing 4% more energy than they were rated to produce, when they were, brought online. There is not a wind plant anywhere. We have added 6 gigawatts over the last, I think 4 years of wind energy, and our wind production actually declined last year for the first time. We're producing less power from wind as we add more wind power. So the efficiencies aren't even, you know, realistically comparable.
Anthony Watts:Right. With wind, there's something called a breaking effect, which they've actually studied in the North Sea, quite a bit where when you put in bigger fields of wind turbines, they actually cut down the amount of wind that's making it to turbines further down the line, downwind. Yeah. So it's it's yeah. It's not so good.
Jim Lakely:Well, Lois, you you asked you asked, before how long does it take to get a a nuclear plant online in the United States? Yeah. When you guessed 10 or 15 years? I mean, I'm guessing right now, but my memory of this is that it's more like 30 years that there are still some projects that are not approved, and they just run into every single roadblock imaginable because we don't we do not have an energy grid designed by engineers. We have energy grid now fail spectacularly, and, we'll all be here to see it, unfortunately.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Fun. Nightmare.
Anthony Watts:Okay. Let's see. This is a good one from someone on Rumble. LT Oracle of Truth asks, how can we overcome the indoctrination of 2 to 3 generations of our people behind being taught that climate change is an existential threat to humanity? And I'll pitch that to the panel at large.
Lois Perry:That's Well, my kids don't believe in it. But then that's hardly surprising, is it? But actually, my son is is 21, Lola's nearly 14, and they are not woke. And and this whole net zero thing you're saying in the UK is a as a woke thing. There is skepticism.
Lois Perry:They don't like being told they're gonna burn in, you know, they're gonna burn to death. They don't like being told what they can and cannot say. They hate having all trans stuff pushed down their throats, and it's seen as part of the same agenda, which of course it is. And, so yeah. I don't know.
Lois Perry:I've got some faith. I have faith from talking to my son's friends and my daughter's friends. They're just not interested. They just wanna get on just be normal kids.
Jim Lakely:1st, I'd like to say that's a really good and tough question because it is multiple generations now. I like someone said, show show them when they are short videos. Michael Johansen said that. I think if we got climate at a glance book that's in their hands, but I don't think it's an easy one for me personally. Look, I have no children, but I have nieces and grandnieces and nephews.
Jim Lakely:And, I found that they care a lot. They they they become a lot less concerned about climate change when you go and you take away their cell phones and devices and say, look, you're killing the planet by charging these things. It's, you're I'm you you're concerned. I want you to live the life style that you're concerned about. Bring me let let me go into your closets and start taking out clothes that were made with fossil fuels.
Jim Lakely:Suddenly, they find oh, wait wait wait wait. You know, it's I'm not gonna die tomorrow. Let's let's let's let's, calm down on this. Suddenly, they discover that maybe they're not quite as concerned about, frying as the as they were when before I started, saying, let's live that lifestyle. Give me your cell phone.
Lois Perry:Yeah.
Anthony Watts:I think young people too. It's, you know, the poll polling in general tends to show that the majority of people will act will at least pay lip service to the idea that humans are causing climate change, and that maybe it might be something to be concerned about. But I think that the constant drumbeat is actually starting to backfire, constantly posting alarmist stories saying, this is the hottest day ever. This is the hottest day ever. Yesterday was the hottest day ever.
Anthony Watts:You know, Australia is warming faster than the rest of the world. Canada is warming faster than
Jim Lakely:the rest
Lois Perry:of the world.
Anthony Watts:You know, those kinds of things. People do pick up on that. And, and I think well, 1, I do think that a lot of this is, media driven, and I think the media is aware of it. It's not just that you learned it in school. Half of what you learned in school as a kid, at least, going to public school or whatever, it just goes in your ears for the exam and goes right out of them after the exam is taken.
Anthony Watts:So, I I don't think you know, the indoctrination in public schools especially is bad, but I think it's the the media drumbeat that is the main driver of it, but it's also starting to counteract a little bit just because it's so much. It's everything.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I mean, polling polling does show that younger people are not nearly as indoctrinated in climate alarmism as you would expect, considering it's been 25 straight years of nothing but the polar bears are dying. They're gonna go extinct. They're not gonna go extinct. They're growing.
Jim Lakely:You know? It's all of this. So considering all the propaganda, the fact that it's not a 100%, you know, that they who was it who said, you know, give me your kids and and you've give give me your future, something like that. But, you know, they they figure if they indoctrinated the kids, this revolution, this green revolution should have already been, completed by now based on their strategy, and it hasn't been. And I don't think it actually ever eventually will be, although, you know, kids can, kids have good b s better b s detectors than you think.
Lois Perry:Well, the one factor
Jim Lakely:is one factor is kids a lot of kids just don't want to do what their parents, you know, they automatically if your parents says it, well, that's gotta be wrong because they don't understand my generate they don't understand me, the old focus. And secondly, you've got, what, back across the pond, Churchill's old adage. If you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart. If you're still a liberal when you're older, you have no brain. Lot of people who worry about climate change now as they get older and start having to pay for this stuff.
Jim Lakely:Suddenly, it's, you know, they're more worried about their kids' education, their health care system, whether they can retire. It's easy to it's it's easy to protest when your parents are still paying your bills and you don't have to go to work.
Lois Perry:Absolutely. And and the young people love Nigel and they love reform. They're big fans. He because he's huge on TikTok and, and it's the young people, the teenagers, and everything. They just, you know, they they they just think they're much more to the right than, as, you know, than younger generations normally are because they're just sick of it.
Lois Perry:They're sick of it all being run down their throats. That you know, totally.
Anthony Watts:Yep. Okay. I've got we've got a couple more questions, but we only have time for 1. So I'm just going to pull up the one, that is directed to Lois that we have. So this is from Michael Johansson.
Anthony Watts:Aren't there any climate realistic conservatives left in the UK?
Lois Perry:Well, I'm here. So, yeah, there's a piece of work. And, as I and as I said, you know, fortunately, for the first time in a long time, we have people we have members of parliament who, who are who have it in their manifesto that the first thing that they will do when they get into power, go to coalition with the Tories, whatever happens, will be that they will abolish all net zero policies. And that is a massive, massive sea change. I can tell you that because absolutely everyone was in step.
Lois Perry:They were in step for such a long time. And, you know, the the great man's going to be coming to meet you guys next month, so you can thank him.
Anthony Watts:Well, thank you so much, Lewis. I think that's I think that's gonna be it for us then, Tom Jim.
Jim Lakely:It it is. I'm sorry. I meant to tell Donnie in the background to, queue up the, queue up the music The rest of them we leave, and instead, I told the whole chat. Oh, well. But, Lois Lois Perry, it's been our pleasure to have you on, the Climate Realism Show today.
Jim Lakely:You are a delight. You are brave. You are tireless, and, you are going to be in Chicago on September 13th with us at Nigel Farage, and we cannot wait. It's gonna be fantastic to see you in person.
Lois Perry:Thank you. With the best dress you've ever seen.
Jim Lakely:Yes.
Lois Perry:Ever. Yes. Okay.
Jim Lakely:You've put us all to shame on the live stream here with that
Lois Perry:with the update today, and
Jim Lakely:I cannot wait to see what you show up with on September 13th. So, thank you and all to our to our viewers and listeners of this podcast. Thank you, Anthony Watts of What's Up With That, senior fellow at the Heartland Institute, h Sterling Burnett, the director of our Robinson Center on Climate here at Heartland, and, Laniya Lukin, research fellow. Thank you to to Donnie Kendall in the background doing some producing for us, and thank you to our streaming partners, Junk Science, C Fact, Climate Depot, and what's up with that. It was a pleasure to have you all here on the show today, and we will talk to you next week.