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You don’t know where you’ll be next Tuesday and that’s exactly the point. In this episode of Maximum Lawyer, Tyson Mutrux sits down with trademark attorney and educator Sonia Lakhany, who has turned her entire life into a delegation and systems experiment by putting everything she owns in storage and becoming a “fancy homeless” digital nomad. Sonia shares how she runs two thriving companies while living out of a single bag and cycling through hotels around the world, using extreme efficiency, SOPs, and intentional lifestyle design to strip away errands, household chores, and decision fatigue so she can focus on deep work, creativity, and enjoying the freedom she built.


From departure checklists and dopamine menus to virtual mailboxes and hotel‑based “done‑for‑you” living, Sonia walks Tyson through the operational choices that make her nomad life possible and the business lessons law firm owners can steal even if they never leave their hometown. She talks candidly about solo travel, loneliness, and choosing not to have kids, how ADHD and a craving for “whimsy” drove her away from traditional employment, and why she now sees trademarks as the ultimate lifestyle practice area for lawyers who want flexibility, global reach, and lean, high‑margin firms. They also dig into her 4L Education platform and flagship “Two Weeks to Trademarks” course, including why hundreds of alumni keep coming back for live reteaches, how she leverages AI to systematize her own law firm, and what it really looks like to build a business that funds your bucket‑list life instead of competing with it.


What You’ll Learn
  • How Sonia designed a “digital nomad” life that eliminates errands, chores, and home maintenance through radical delegation
  • Why running two companies from hotel rooms forced her to systematize everything from travel checklists to client work
  • How solo travel, white space, and pattern interrupts supercharge her creativity and strategic thinking
  • Why she believes permanency (houses, kids, routines) isn’t for everyone and how that shapes her business choices
  • What makes trademark law a lifestyle‑friendly, globally scalable practice area for lawyers
  • How her 4L Education and “Two Weeks to Trademarks” course help attorneys escape burnout and build flexible practices
  • Why alumni keep re‑attending her live reteaches and how AI is changing the way she teaches and practices trademarks

Highlights 
  • 00:00 – Why Sonia doesn’t know where she’ll be next Tuesday and her “fancy homeless” origin story
  • 05:00 – Delegating life: hotels, virtual mailboxes, and stripping away errands and chores
  • 10:00 – Departure checklists, extreme efficiency, and SOPs for travel and business
  • 20:00 – Solo travel, loneliness, and designing a life without partners, pets, or kids
  • 30:00 – ADHD, whimsy, and why Sonia was never built to be a traditional employee
  • 40:00 – Building lean teams, avoiding management bloat, and redefining success beyond headcount
  • 50:00 – Inside 4L Education and “Two Weeks to Trademarks,” lifestyle lawyering, and global trademark opportunities
  • 55:00 – Live reteaches, CLE, unreasonable hospitality, and using AI to future‑proof your practice

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Tyson Mutrux
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Tyson Mutrux (00:08)
Right, Sonia. My question’s gonna be this: you don’t know where you’re gonna be next Tuesday, and that’s really interesting to me. Tell me why. You just dropped a bomb on me before we started, and I’m fascinated by this. Why do you not know where you’re gonna be next Tuesday?
Sonia Lakhany (00:25)
Well, the short answer is because a few months ago, I put all my stuff in storage. I’m officially—I think the kids are calling it a digital nomad—that’s what I am. But yeah, I’m untethered is what I like. My friends call me their fancy homeless friend, which fits too. I put all my stuff in storage and now I just go wherever, stay however long, and keep it moving with one bag.
Tyson Mutrux (00:53)
Where were you before this trip?
Sonia Lakhany (00:54)
Ibiza, for a week.
Tyson Mutrux (00:57)
Which is insane. You flew in from Ibiza for a week, correct?
Sonia Lakhany (01:01)
Before Ibiza, I was in London. Before London I was in Scottsdale. It’s been a lot of U.S. mostly. I was in Mexico for a couple of weeks, in New York once or twice. U.S.-wise, that’s pretty much it.
Tyson Mutrux (01:23)
I think I texted you when you were in Scottsdale ’cause I said that’s my favorite place. I love Scottsdale. Now are you doing mostly hotels or Airbnbs—mix of both? How are you doing that?
Sonia Lakhany (01:26)
I lean heavily toward hotels—about ninety percent. I like the “done‑for‑you” factor. It’s delegation. I have some business lessons in this I didn’t start out with, but it’s delegating in its highest form. I’ve stripped my life of housekeeping, chores, groceries—if I get groceries, they’re delivered. Laundry—towel service, housekeeping.
Sonia Lakhany (01:52)
You don’t have errands when you don’t have an apartment or a house. You magically don’t have errands, which is amazing. If I do, I find a way to do them in the neighborhood I’m going to. If I have to go to the bank or something, it’s rare. My Amazon deliveries have cut way back because I don’t need anything anymore. I have everything I need. I was never a huge shopper, if we’re being honest. Traveling and experiences have always been my bigger thing.
Tyson Mutrux (02:17)
So your shopping’s gone down.
Sonia Lakhany (02:28)
An astronomical amount. I’m much more likely to spend on an omakase or a chef’s special choice dinner than on a fancy pair of shoes. I have a couple of nice things, but that’s really it.
Tyson Mutrux (02:40)
Okay, I hadn’t thought about the food part of this. The laundry makes sense. What about your personal laundry though?
Sonia Lakhany (02:47)
I’ll either send out for it or—again, it’s efficiency at its highest—because none of my clothes are very expensive or fancy. It’s mostly Amazon or H&M, Zara. I have what I have and when it gets to that ending point, I’ll just leave things in the hotel room and order more on Amazon or go shopping at Zara, Target. In between, pajamas and normal stuff, I’ll send out. Every hotel has had laundry service. If I really need to, I’ll do a laundromat, but that’s rare. Once in a while I’ll do an Airbnb with a washer‑dryer. I have one singular bag at the moment.
Tyson Mutrux (03:24)
How much luggage do you have? No way. How big’s the bag?
Sonia Lakhany (03:32)
This one’s a little larger because I was in Europe. Typically it’s just a carry‑on and a fairly large personal‑item‑looking thing. I can go for a while.
Tyson Mutrux (03:43)
So you’re running two companies while traveling the world. This is very interesting.
Sonia Lakhany (03:49)
When you say it like that, I’m like, dang—I guess I am. I don’t think about it that way in my mind, but when we say it out loud it’s like, whoa, that is kind of crazy.
Tyson Mutrux (03:57)
It’s extremely impressive. I’m just thinking logistically—how do you deal with mail?
Sonia Lakhany (04:04)
I have a virtual mailbox. It’s iPostal. They bring in everything; you get a notice when something comes in, they send a picture of it, and you can discard it if it’s junk, open and scan it, or open, scan, and shred it if it’s sensitive.
Tyson Mutrux (04:06)
Like Earth Class Mail, something like that. So very similar. Do you journal about all this? Are you documenting it?
Sonia Lakhany (04:29)
I should be. I am documenting it. I don’t know what I’ll do with all the footage yet. There are so many options and ideas. I’m three months into it at the time we’re recording. I think I have another three to five months in me in terms of how long I want to do it. For the first couple months I was just living my life. It seemed efficient. I’m barely home anyway, might as well commit.
Sonia Lakhany (04:58)
I dreaded having to go home and get back into groceries and errands. I thought, what if we stripped our life of the mundane and just dreamed big? I didn’t think it was that crazy. Now as I tell more people, they’re like, you gotta capture this somehow. So I’m thinking I’ll vlog it or do some sort of recap—maybe monthly. Weekly is too much. Monthly might be not enough—I’m still figuring it out.
Tyson Mutrux (05:26)
Weekly’s not enough. I really am—when you dropped this on me, I had zero plans to talk to you about it, but it’s fascinating. There are a lot of business lessons in this. You must have systemized everything—marketing running itself, the companies running themselves. I want to get into creativity in a second, too.
Sonia Lakhany (05:50)
Lots—tons.
Tyson Mutrux (05:55)
It shows you’ve optimized everything, which is fascinating. How personal can I go with these questions?
Sonia Lakhany (06:04)
Ask me literally anything. I get excited to share this side because it’s so recent that I realized people would even find it interesting. I’ve been connecting all the business lessons, and it came to fruition because I had such a business mindset. Here’s a small micro example: for years I’ve had departure checklists. When I pack for a trip, I have SOP’d the living daylights out of even my personal life.
Tyson Mutrux (06:30)
You’re kidding me.
Sonia Lakhany (06:34)
Yeah—even my personal life.
Tyson Mutrux (06:36)
You should give this away for free and capture people’s emails—“get my departure checklist.”
Sonia Lakhany (06:43)
Yeah. Anytime I take a trip, there’s a standard departure checklist. It’s everything from one to two sets of pajamas to this, to that, standard stuff you’d need on any trip, plus stuff that stays packed—like a second toiletry bag with doubles of everything that always lives in my carry‑on. So there’s a default pile of things: toiletry bag always up to date. When I come home from a trip, I refill it before I put it away—Q‑tips, toothpaste, floss, whatever—so it’s a complete kit at all times. People think it’s a lot; it’s not. It’s extreme efficiency.
Sonia Lakhany (07:31)
So toiletry bag lives in there, we always have doubles of chargers, everything. When we pull out the carry‑on, that part’s already done. Then we standardize pack—one to two pairs of pajamas, normal stuff. Then it gets good: we toggle based on the nature of the trip. Beach? We open the dropdown: sunscreen, hat, flip‑flops, waterproof phone case, all the beach things. Work trip? Business cards, business heels, dresses, a nicer purse. Snow trip? Beanie, underlayers, etc.
Sonia Lakhany (08:16)
Whenever I’m on a trip and the list wasn’t accurate, I update it so that doesn’t happen again. It’s truly SOP’d. It’s on my phone.
Tyson Mutrux (08:37)
Is this on your phone? I don’t know if I should ask because of the name I’m about to use. Have you heard of the Jeffrey Epstein home manual? Have you seen this?
Sonia Lakhany (08:43)
Ask anything you want.
Tyson Mutrux (09:04)
Someone gave me a Word doc of his home manual. It doesn’t show anything about what he’s accused of doing. It’s just detailed—“this is how you’ll refer to Mr. Epstein,” “here’s what you put on their pillow,” “here’s how you make the bed.” Are you that detailed?
Sonia Lakhany (09:24)
Not really. I think that’s an extra layer. I look at necessity: does this serve a function, or is it OCD or anxiety? Mine is function‑related. It’s to not forget anything, because I really dislike being in a situation where you’re uncomfortable—you’re cold without the right layers, hot without sunscreen, things like that.
Sonia Lakhany (09:53)
I also look at whether I’m going to another U.S. city versus internationally. I get more stressed about international trips—adapters and you can’t DoorDash everything easily. DoorDash and Uber Eats now cover retail, so you can order from Target, CVS, Best Buy—I’ve ordered chargers, tripods, whatever I need in the moment. In the U.S. I’m less concerned. Internationally, you’re relying on the little shop at the resort or in town, so that dictates a lot of it.
Sonia Lakhany (10:23)
It’s really just to not forget anything. I also have a mini departure checklist for when I leave a space—hotel room or Airbnb. It’s not as long but covers things I don’t want to forget: I always leave cash for housekeeping, so “draw cash” is on the checklist. We leave it under the remote controller. We charge all flight electronics the night before. I have a lot of help but they’re not traveling with me—I’m not at that level yet.
Tyson Mutrux (11:06)
Who’s “we”? Do you have an assistant helping?
Sonia Lakhany (11:17)
That’s next—we’re working toward that. I have a full‑time executive assistant and a part‑time personal assistant in California, though I use her less right now. I’m involved in most of it because there are certain things I don’t follow the rules on. When we talk about delegating, I’m still holding onto some things that are technically too administrative, like booking travel. But I have all the hotel and airline apps on my phone, I’m a member of all the major chains, all my cards are saved. I don’t really have a process; I just book it myself because it’s so easy.
Sonia Lakhany (11:45)
Other than that, I’ve delegated quite a lot. I’ve never been more productive in my life, which was part of my hypothesis. I’m someone who constantly wanted to leave the house to get things done. I could never get anything done at home. COVID was my nightmare because I was stuck at home—it was awful. Same scenery every day, I couldn’t refresh creativity, couldn’t think.
Tyson Mutrux (12:45)
You said you think you’re more creative now—talk about that part.
Sonia Lakhany (12:49)
The juices flow. I think it’s an expansion on the concept “if you’re stuck, go for a walk” or why you get your best ideas in the shower or driving when you can’t capture them. This is that on steroids—you’ve left your entire setup indefinitely. Each day, or every few days, you’re in a new environment. My minimum stay now is four to five days somewhere. I’m not changing locations every other day; checking in and out is tiring. There’s a fine line between fun/adventurous and exhausting.
Tyson Mutrux (13:24)
Can you get better rates if you stay longer? What do you mean by that?
Sonia Lakhany (13:27)
I found out the fun way. At one Westin, I was ready to pay like three‑something because that’s what I booked it at. The front desk person said, “You’re staying for a while?” I said yeah, I have this and this. He said, “Every day past six or seven nights is $189.” I was like, “Really?” He applied it to my whole stay. So now I talk to hotels—if I’m almost at the threshold, I’ll extend a day to get the lower rate for the entire stay.
Sonia Lakhany (13:58)
A lot of people have commented, “If you’re not paying rent or utilities…” I famously don’t believe in homeownership for myself—it’s personal. It’s delegation and efficiency: I go to the app, they fix it, no contractors, no projects, no pipes bursting in the middle of the night. It’s extreme delegation. Since I’m not paying rent or utilities, they assume this must be a money‑saving venture. It’s not. It does turn around—those thousands a month can go toward hotels—but living in hotels is far more expensive than any rent. I was paying a lot to live by the beach in California.
Tyson Mutrux (14:50)
It’s gotta be really…
Sonia Lakhany (14:54)
I’m happy to share numbers because that’s part of it.
Tyson Mutrux (14:58)
Tell me what it costs to live by the beach renting versus staying in hotels wherever you want.
Sonia Lakhany (15:03)
They’re not in the same financial bracket. In full transparency, I was paying about four grand a month for my one‑bedroom on the beach. Depending on where you’re tuning in from, that might be shocking. But it was a high‑end, luxurious beach community right on the water. Where you’re sitting—directly behind you that plant is the water—and I could see it from the unit. Amenities were top‑notch: beautiful gym, hot tub, huge pool, cabanas, coworking space, all the things. Great people, great environment, beach town with lots to do.
Tyson Mutrux (15:53)
Do you ever pinch yourself? I hope you soak it in, like “I’m living the dream I wanted to live.”
Sonia Lakhany (16:03)
It is surreal sometimes. I’ve had to sit and pause and say: you realize you’ve already knocked out your whole life’s bucket list? So now what do you call it? I’ve done so many cool travel things that were bucket list. The act of traveling as a lifestyle is bucket list. Owning your own law firm is a bucket list accomplishment. Doing it again, hitting similar revenue numbers in a second business proved I’m not a one‑time “got lucky” story. All that combined is like, whoa. Day to day, I don’t think that way—I think I’m just carving my own path. I just realized this is interesting to some people, which is part of why I’m not more active on social. I was like, does anybody find this interesting? But now people keep asking, so maybe I should.
Tyson Mutrux (17:07)
Have you seen those people from Europe—because the World Cup’s in the U.S.—documenting their journeys around the country and saying, “My gosh, the United States is amazing”? You could do something similar around the world.
Sonia Lakhany (17:23)
Yeah, and it’s hard to decide where you want to go. When you have this much white space, where do you want to go, what do you want to do? When you can do anything—literally anywhere and pretty much anything—it’s overwhelming sometimes. It’s a lot of white space.
Tyson Mutrux (17:42)
This might be a weird question, but how do you get human interaction? Is it lonely?
Sonia Lakhany (17:48)
It can be. I don’t want it to appear as a bed of roses all the time. By definition, to be able to do something like this, you have to be truly alone in life. You can’t have a partner for this window. I can’t imagine anybody I’ve dated or would date being okay with this, and I wouldn’t want to leave them.
Sonia Lakhany (18:14)
By reverse, if you’re in a thriving relationship, you don’t want to leave either. You might do it together if their career and life path allowed and they were into it. But by definition, you have to not have a partner, no pets—it’s tough. Some places are pet‑friendly, but dragging pets through time zones is difficult. On the heels of that, kids. I’ve seen people do it and heard of people doing it, but for me it’s not something I’m looking to do. So that’s off. To do this at this level—truly free, not thinking about anyone or anything—you have to be alone. Then you’re alone. That’s the funny part.
Sonia Lakhany (18:44)
A lot of logistical day‑to‑day is alone. But where I’m going usually has something or someone tied to it: I meet friends or attend conferences. I flew into Chicago for a week—so what else can I do? See friends, see clients, book dinners. Because I’m doing this, I get invited to more friend things—“We know you’re wherever, so drop in on Cartagena,” etc. That creates structure and social interaction. But you’re not boarding flights with someone most of the time; it’s you, checking in and out by yourself.
Tyson Mutrux (19:52)
I’ve thought about when you go to a city—if you let friends know where you are, you can hang out. But when you’re in another country, I assume you don’t have a bunch of friends there, right?
Sonia Lakhany (19:58)
I do, actually. I have a lot of friends in different places. Recently the international stuff has been more friends‑planned. They’ll ask where I’m looking to go and if they can jump in. It’s an excuse for them to leave their routine and join me on this crazy thing. Ibiza was my idea— I’m a big EDM/house fan, which you wouldn’t think, but I really enjoy festivals. I don’t do drugs, just to be clear. I enjoy the out‑of‑brain, no‑words experience of the music.
Sonia Lakhany (21:00)
All summer, most major EDM DJs have residencies, just like Vegas. I found a week where every DJ I admired had a residency. If we go these days, Friday we see this person, Saturday that person. I told some friends and they said, “Can we go?” I said, “Yes, the more the merrier. I was going anyway.” So that’s how Ibiza came to be. We saw huge DJs—David Guetta, Calvin Harris, some you don’t get to see often. It turned into an epic trip that could have been boring, but friends jumped in. Now the next few trips, people are planning with me: “Where haven’t you been? What’s new for you too?” That’s been fun.
Tyson Mutrux (21:59)
Let’s say you’re in a place where you don’t know many people. What do you do at night—sit in the hotel, go out, walk around?
Sonia Lakhany (22:07)
I really enjoy my own company. It’s not that I don’t need anyone or friends—I do get lonely, and I don’t want this to seem like a bed of roses. But by default, I enjoy my own company. I don’t think I’m that bad. Me, myself, and I—we’re good. I’ll go to dinner, sit at the bar, or get a table. I never used to be like that; it took time to get there. Solo travel is an MBA in life—figuring stuff out, entertaining yourself. And you get to do whatever you want. That’s the coolest part, because with anyone else you have input, personalities, moods, routines, morning vs. night person, etc. When you can just do whatever you want, it’s awesome—the best part.
Tyson Mutrux (23:10)
You said “finding stuff out.” Are you on a search for something?
Sonia Lakhany (23:17)
I’ve been asked if I’m running from something. Very candidly: no.
Tyson Mutrux (23:23)
Those are two different questions. I was going to joke that you’re running from something—I don’t think you are, but maybe. I wonder: are you in search of something?
Sonia Lakhany (23:36)
Good question with no clear answer. I think I wanted to see what it would be like—just to try it. That’s how I’ve lived a lot of my life. That’s how the law firm started, how 4L Education started, how Two Weeks to Trademarks was born. I see my life as going through a fun house opening doors. I’ll pull back a curtain and say “No, I’m okay,” or open a door and say, “Let’s see what’s behind this.” The things that come to life are the doors I walked through. Some are curtains I’ve decided not to.
Sonia Lakhany (24:08)
Having children was a door I didn’t open. I got a glimpse of it through family, friends. I have many nieces and nephews, not all blood‑related, and I’m a really good auntie. I got enough of that sense to say, “That’s not the right fit for me—the way my lifestyle is structured and what I want out of this lifetime.” That door I wasn’t willing to open, mostly because it’s permanent. Almost everything I do isn’t permanent—you can change it.
Tyson Mutrux (24:40)
Do you struggle with permanency?
Sonia Lakhany (24:45)
Permanency is not my favorite.
Tyson Mutrux (24:47)
You don’t want a house, don’t want to own a house, don’t want kids, which is fine. I find it interesting that couples are far less likely to have kids these days.
Sonia Lakhany (25:05)
It is fascinating. I feel like I ended up in that decision where a window was there, then it faded and closed. I was like, “Okay, I don’t have to worry about this anymore.” There wasn’t dread and there wasn’t a pull. It’s not like I wanted kids and didn’t get to; I never felt a huge urge. We’re in a time where a lot of people are strongly deciding. For me it was a slow fade. Many people I meet say, “I’ve known for years, since day one.” I’m like, “Wow, what must that be like?” Because I didn’t have that conviction. I assumed I would have kids and then realized I didn’t want them.
Tyson Mutrux (25:53)
I’m very similar—whenever I meet someone with a strong conviction, it’s fascinating, because very few things in life are black‑and‑white yes/no. Is there anything like that for you? Sounds like no.
Sonia Lakhany (26:09)
Same. I think you lose nuance when you’re that convicted. I like to leave room for someone to teach me: “Have you thought about this?” I’ll say, “That’s a good point, thank you,” and consider a different perspective. I call it sponge mode—I hear and absorb. My worldviews and opinions have evolved that way. I’m very open. Most things you can change your mind about—that’s okay. Kids, in my mind, are the one thing. Even marriage you can change—though you don’t want to, I got divorced a long time ago.
Tyson Mutrux (26:53)
Wait, really?
Sonia Lakhany (26:55)
It was a blip on the radar. I married my law school boyfriend right out of law school. We were married for about a year and change. He’s a great guy; we’re still friends. It just wasn’t it. At the time, we said, “This is probably not it.” It was mutual and amicable.
Tyson Mutrux (27:12)
The guest before you—Janice—was talking about living life so someone could make a movie out of it. I totally think people could make a movie out of your life. The divorce thing threw me off.
Sonia Lakhany (27:26)
It’s easy to forget about—it’s just like over and done.
Tyson Mutrux (27:37)
Did you have the business at the time—any of the businesses?
Sonia Lakhany (27:44)
The opposite. We had no pets, no mortgage, hardly any shared assets—nothing. It was the most straightforward—like breaking up with someone you’re dating. This was well before Two Weeks to Trademarks and 4L, and well before the law firm. I was in my first one to two years of practice, trying to find a job, pass the bar, get it together.
Tyson Mutrux (28:09)
No.
Sonia Lakhany (28:10)
No. Truly, that person wouldn’t recognize me. I feel bad for where she was at.
Tyson Mutrux (28:19)
So for clarification: do you have three companies technically or still two?
Sonia Lakhany (28:27)
It’s two.
Tyson Mutrux (28:27)
What’s different about that Sonia compared to you now? What changed? It might illuminate things for people in the same situation as old Sonia.
Sonia Lakhany (28:27)
I don’t know if anything “changed”; I think the real one just got to come out. I’d always dreamed of entrepreneurship, being a business owner. I thought I’d do something like Sarah Blakely’s Spanx—come up with a product, be a founder in the traditional Shark Tank sense. I always had the urge. I went through a few associate positions and wasn’t finding a fit. Owning my own law firm wasn’t the goal—it was “let’s start there because we don’t want to work at a firm anymore.” Most firms I worked at were wonderful, except a couple of bad bosses early on. The last firm I left, I have nothing but great things to say. It was just the structure of going to work every day that was awful.
Tyson Mutrux (29:51)
You’re a wild stallion—you wouldn’t be a good employee. You’re probably fantastic on your own doing your own thing.
Sonia Lakhany (30:04)
There’s an argument about whether I’m any good now. My work process would make people’s heads hurt. My creative process, how I think—my notes app might say “research Antarctica penguins, buy toothpaste, add this to my…” all in one note. It’s chaotic; my brain is like that.
Sonia Lakhany (30:33)
I think people over‑ or under‑diagnose themselves with ADHD and neurodivergence. It took me a long time to admit I very much fall into that. Anyone listening with expertise probably figured it out in two minutes. I’ve learned to roll with it. My process is super confusing and chaotic to others, and it fits poorly with being an employee. The same thing every day is the mundane. If I need to think and perform and be creative, I can’t do it when every day looks the same—I lose motivation. Before this, I traveled a lot. On days I was home, I still had to add some whimsy.
Tyson Mutrux (31:06)
ADHD is like…
Sonia Lakhany (31:29)
There’s a fine line between two valid views. One is “Do you struggle with permanency?”—which is valid; there’s probably something to that. The other equally valid view is “You have to add whimsy and fun to your mundane.” You have to, or life gets boring for anybody.
Tyson Mutrux (31:43)
Strong check mark. Maybe the first time “whimsy” has ever been used on the show.
Sonia Lakhany (32:02)
Really? It’s a tenant of mine: we add whimsy.
Tyson Mutrux (32:07)
Do you have a list of tenants?
Sonia Lakhany (32:10)
I have something called a dopamine menu, but I’m not very good about following it. It was an exercise in a mastermind.
Tyson Mutrux (32:16)
Finish what you were saying, then I want to hear about the dopamine menu.
Sonia Lakhany (32:19)
It involves no drugs, by the way, and no alcohol. I’m minimal on drinking now—recently, because I’ve enjoyed being healthier and focusing on wellness. Everyday whimsy might be “Let me try a new coffee shop.” I was on an almond‑croissant kick for a while—I made a list of the best ones in the area and tried each one. It takes you to a new side of town, different turns.
Tyson Mutrux (32:54)
Pattern interrupts. You’ve created a bunch, which I firmly believe in. If you feel stuck in a rut, you’re clearly never going to be in a rut because you never take the same path twice. That’s incredible. Do the pattern interrupts ever get exhausting?
Sonia Lakhany (33:14)
Sure. Then you pause—that’s the beauty of it. For example, I’m here in Chicago; logically it could’ve been a one‑in, one‑out trip, two days max. I’m here for a week because I’m coming off eleven days in Europe, twelve something—time changes, packing, all that. I just wanted to park it somewhere. I’m parking it in Chicago because I don’t want to pack up again.
Tyson Mutrux (33:18)
You were full of energy when you came here—I asked if you’re exhausted, jet‑lagged, and you’re not. Will it hit you and you’ll crash?
Sonia Lakhany (33:48)
Probably after this. There’s some adrenaline—you’re looking forward to the thing, you’re here for a reason, you have an occasion. I’ve been looking forward to this since we booked it; I love challenges. Also I genuinely am doing everything I ever dreamed of all in one shot. It’s hard to be unhappy—it’s not that it never happens, but net‑out, it’s difficult.
Sonia Lakhany (34:15)
I do get unhappy like anyone; it gets lonely; it gets tiring. But overall? No. Even when there’s a flight delay or something goes wrong, there’s a scale: is it really that big of a deal? I zoom out: everything else is going so well. Even inside the big dream, if something goes wrong like a flight delay, I’m still living in hotels and traveling the world. Is that so bad?
Tyson Mutrux (34:55)
Do you have to remind yourself of that or is it instant?
Sonia Lakhany (34:57)
It’s instant now. It’s ingrained. I’ve really zenned out; my patience level is super high. Younger Sonia was reactive, had a hot temper, very anxious. Over the last couple years—especially this last year—ever since this came to fruition and I realized I could do it, and then the preparation, I’ve been in a great state.
Tyson Mutrux (35:06)
Have you always been that way? That’s interesting.
Sonia Lakhany (35:27)
It’s the idea of “in furtherance of,” right? I’ve been in a great state because like buying a house: you start looking on Saturdays, that’s exciting. You put in an offer, then you pack your current place—you’re in furtherance of something, a project, a mission. Or having a baby: checkups, “She’s the size of a blueberry,” nursery shopping—all in furtherance of something. I feel lucky to live in a time where there’s more on that menu than just the traditional things.
Sonia Lakhany (35:57)
Ever since this became a possibility, the “in furtherance of” was so exciting: pick a storage unit, figure out the space you need, pull out the stuff you’ll need regularly versus back‑of‑storage kitchen stuff. Everybody needs a project they’re excited about—not just what they’re working on, but what they’re excited about.
Tyson Mutrux (36:39)
You should write a book.
Sonia Lakhany (36:41)
I wrote a book about trademarking a long time ago with another attorney friend, but that’s it.
Tyson Mutrux (36:48)
I’ve got the book title: “In Furtherance Of.” Just call it that and start writing tomorrow.
Sonia Lakhany (36:53)
I love that. I truly could—it’s all here. Especially because the start of all this would baffle people. My childhood, not in a positive way, would be like “whoa, you came from that and now this is your worldview?” If I look back on early‑years Sonia versus now, it’s like, “Wow, you really went for everything, didn’t you?” I left no stone unturned.
Sonia Lakhany (37:26)
I joke that when you’re traveling, your surface area is wider—meaning more room for things to go wrong. If something did, I’d say I had a good run. I’ve already had a really amazing run. Every day now is bonus. It gets better.
Tyson Mutrux (37:52)
How long ago did you start your first company?
Sonia Lakhany (37:54)
This year is year eleven of the law firm. Next year will be year ten of Two Weeks to Trademarks.
Tyson Mutrux (37:56)
Okay, so when you think about your first company and where you thought you’d go, and compare it to where you are now, have you exceeded that? Below? Right where you thought?
Sonia Lakhany (38:17)
It depends on the metric. Revenue‑wise: beyond. I thought I’d be like, “Okay, this will be fine,” more like “being an employee isn’t working, so we need something else.”
Tyson Mutrux (38:24)
What metric do you want to use? Happiness level?
Sonia Lakhany (38:41)
I thought I’d have a bigger team than I do, and that was some unlearning. We’re taught we need a big team, but I have a small but mighty, lean team. It works great. Why don’t I have fifty‑two employees? Would we be bigger if we did? I have to ask whether what we’re taught applies or whether I can unlearn it.
Tyson Mutrux (39:18)
Because you don’t need them. Something I’ll guarantee you: Sonia wouldn’t be going around the country and world for six months if she had fifty‑two employees. There’s zero chance.
Sonia Lakhany (39:41)
Management is its own beast.
Tyson Mutrux (39:43)
It’s like having your own kids—you just have fifty‑two, and they’re adults who talk back.
Sonia Lakhany (39:50)
With opinions and personalities. I’ve learned leadership is something I’m very good at. Management, which is different, is not my favorite—and maybe that’s why it’s leaned out. Revenue‑wise, more than I imagined. Before this six‑month stint I realized: I don’t need a lot. I’m not a big shopper. I drive a used 4Runner and love it—I bought it used. I’m not extravagant. Some stereotypes fit—like, yes, I like nice hotels. I don’t like hostels. But revenue is one of those things I exceeded.
Sonia Lakhany (40:47)
The question mark is: what’s the goal with 4L and the courses? With the law firm, the goal starts with revenue and freeing up your time—neck and neck. The real success metric in our community is: money’s fun, but how free are you? How much free time do you have? That’s the real marker. There isn’t really an end goal to an education business the way there is to a products business.
Sonia Lakhany (41:17)
Many of my trademark clients are naming something—that’s trademark law. Products have goals like getting into Whole Foods or Target. One of my clients—A Dozen Cousins, shelf‑stable seasoned lentils and beans—did that. When I go to Whole Foods I see their product and remember those consults. I’m still trying to figure out how you measure a successful education business outside of revenue. I’m learning there are new metrics, which is a pleasant surprise.
Sonia Lakhany (41:56)
I get a lot of messages from attorneys who take my courses. The range is insane. “I paid cash for my kids’ college tuition because of your course.” “I left a practice area I hated and now I’m not suicidal.” “I left a really bad marriage because I’m financially independent thanks to the practice area you taught.” I’m making room for that metric because it’s a big deal. I never imagined that. I always assumed the course had to be good—there’s no luxury of failing. So when people like the course, that’s baseline, not bonus. The impacts I didn’t imagine.
Tyson Mutrux (43:48)
That’s incredible.
Sonia Lakhany (43:49)
Those kinds of things where people get really personal—I never imagined that.
Tyson Mutrux (43:54)
Since you’ve been traveling, have you been reflecting on these stories?
Sonia Lakhany (43:58)
Yeah, a lot more. I’m the opposite of most people. People say, “Travel was hectic; now that I’m home, I can think straight.” For me, I think far more clearly when I’m traveling. At home I get into the grind of laundry, cooking, meal prep. There’s a side of me that enjoys that—I love hosting, cooking, throwing girls’ nights—but thinking straight and reflecting felt impossible at home.
Sonia Lakhany (44:37)
It’s the same reason you’d leave home to work at a cafe. When I’m lying in bed trying to journal or meditate, I can’t turn my brain off because there’s laundry to switch, another load to run, a dishwasher to start, a closet to reorganize. I felt like I had to keep optimizing my home. It was beautifully decorated, maybe with some perfectionism. When I’m stripped of that—like in this hotel room—I can do the job stuff on my phone or computer, but outside of that, there’s white space.
Sonia Lakhany (45:25)
When you’re sitting in an airport with nothing to do and your flight’s delayed—I’m typically early to the airport—there’s more time. “I don’t want to work, I don’t need to do anything right now.” Free white space. Journaling, meditating—it all becomes crystal clear. That’s been a big reflection process over the last few months.
Tyson Mutrux (46:05)
I’m very interested in the idea that it’s freeing to not have the dishwasher and the laundry. It makes sense—you’re freed from all that. You’re doing it in other ways, but you’re not doing it—you’re giving it to someone else. If you apply that to all aspects of your life, that’s really interesting. I want to get to the dopamine list, hear about that, and then other things. What’s the dopamine menu?
Sonia Lakhany (46:44)
It’s not an original concept—I didn’t coin it. It was an exercise in a mastermind I enjoyed. It’s basically a matrix of time versus expense—small, medium, high, extra‑large, extra‑small—things that add whimsy if you want to get out of a rut. If you don’t have much time and maybe money’s tight, go look up a coffee shop and get a sweet treat—ice cream, pastry.
Tyson Mutrux (47:44)
So you’re creating a list of things that increase your dopamine—that’s the menu?
Sonia Lakhany (47:49)
Essentially, yes. On the higher scale, if you have more time and money, book a trip. In the middle, book a massage for later this week or make plans with a friend at a restaurant you’ve been wanting to try so you have something to look forward to. How fast do you need it? It’s having options to shake things up so you don’t feel like you’re just working.
Tyson Mutrux (48:10)
Don’t you think people get too much dopamine these days?
Sonia Lakhany (48:13)
From scrolling, yes. When you’re fed just one source, it maxes out. Scrolling is bad on many levels. I’ve been working on not being on my phone as much. The tricky thing is you need your phone for everything—you can’t even check into a hotel without it. So now I do exercises like: “For the duration of this Uber ride, we don’t look at our phone,” just to…
Tyson Mutrux (48:27)
How good of a job are you doing at that?
Sonia Lakhany (48:42)
Well, I have to look at it to see how far we are and text my friend I’m on the way—like I did with you. They’ve made it so necessary to use your phone for everything. You can’t order a pizza without downloading the app. Everything requires cookies, passwords, logins. It’s a lot. I’m trading some conveniences in favor of not being on the phone.
Tyson Mutrux (49:12)
Do you watch movies in the hotel room?
Sonia Lakhany (49:15)
I’m really bad at TV and movies. I haven’t seen hardly anything. Rarely will I watch a show. For a season of life I watched Love Is Blind and some really stupid reality shows, and I’d host viewing parties. But overall I’m not interested. I don’t get anything out of TV and movies. They don’t spark anything.
Tyson Mutrux (49:51)
So I watched a movie on the plane yesterday and finished it last night. “Good Luck, Have Fun, Don’t Die” with Sam Rockwell. The premise is everyone’s stuck to their phones and AI is taking over—it’s interesting. I like to do this thing: years ago in Scottsdale, we were coming down Scottsdale Mountain and a guy said “Good to see ya.” We didn’t know him. For the next hour we talked: do we know that guy? He was in our life for a second and gone.
Tyson Mutrux (50:23)
We played a game where we walked around and tried to tell people “Good to see ya.” But when you do it, it’s hard to get people—they’re looking down at their phones. When we leave here, I want you to try this: if it’s not raining, try to say “Good to see ya” to someone. You have to get them when they’re walking by so they can’t ask “How do we know each other?” You catch them and then they spend an hour wondering. It’s more challenging because people are on their phones. I’m glad you’re trying to do better about that. I’ve got to do better at it too.
Sonia Lakhany (51:27)
It is not easy, especially when you own businesses. Checking on things working—it’s not even that either of us is a workaholic; it’s a need. You have to get back to people. I was joking with another law firm owner friend—only we get it. If you’re not in that role, you don’t. We joked: either you’re the one doing the work, which most of us aren’t anymore because we’ve learned delegation, or you’re answering the questions of the people who are. You can’t be that bottleneck where, because you want a day off, sixteen things get held up. Would you rather just knock out those questions and then go about your day? Staying truly unplugged is tough.
Sonia Lakhany (52:23)
But you can have longer periods. I’ll sit down, answer a bunch of people, then put the phone away or walk away from it. I do a lot more handwriting and notepad stuff now, in furtherance of not trying to be on the phone, which is tricky, but then I’ll take a picture and have AI transcribe it. Again, it’s a different avenue of creative flow. I get great ideas with just me and a piece of paper.
Sonia Lakhany (52:53)
You have to be trim with what you pack—no luxury of lots of pens and notebooks. Every hotel room has a pen and notepad or they’ll give you one. So my camera roll is a lot of Marriott notepad ideas, Hilton notepad ideas. It’s a direct reflection.
Tyson Mutrux (53:23)
I’d love to see a picture of your camera roll—not just to go through and say, “What the hell were you thinking there?” Could you imagine giving your phone to somebody and saying, “Why did you screenshot that?”
Sonia Lakhany (53:34)
That’s like a “please throw it in the ocean” moment.
Tyson Mutrux (53:37)
At some point you will die. If someone has access to your phone, they’ll probably just go through and say, “What the hell were you thinking?”
Sonia Lakhany (53:43)
What was her thought process? But in that sense I think of myself as a crazy writer/author whose process is very… I’ve come up with the coolest ideas, and they’re not even huge new‑course ideas. People think creative flow means big new course creation. I’ve come up with changing three words in a tagline or in a message—how I handle something, how I answer a certain question—little tweaks that make huge differences in messaging.
Sonia Lakhany (54:18)
For example, one thing I like about your podcast and interviewing style is that you don’t do the typical “What’s your name, introduce yourself, bio.” It comes out as we talk. Like, “What’s 4L?” and “something about trademarking.” So this is a good time for a quick background: I have the law firm, where I practice trademark law, and 4L Education, which is a nudge to the three years of law school where we didn’t learn how to practice. 4L is my answer. We have many courses, but the leading course is Two Weeks to Trademarks, for attorneys who want to get better at practicing trademarks or learn it as a new practice area. It’s a lifestyle‑friendly practice area.
Sonia Lakhany (55:18)
You only have to take one bar—any bar—and you can practice nationwide. It’s truly a unicorn that way: you can be anywhere physically with one bar, while your clients are nationwide or global. Every company, U.S. or not, can file for a trademark. You need to be a U.S.‑licensed attorney to file; foreign companies need you.
Tyson Mutrux (55:40)
So you can have foreign clients—I didn’t know that. You have a global market.
Sonia Lakhany (55:48)
Literally global. And again, it doesn’t mean you have to live like me on the extreme end. I’m walking that walk—anywhere in the world filing trademarks. On the other end, if you’re a parent of a young child and need flexibility, you can cluster work into 30‑minute, 45‑minute windows around nap times and soccer games. You don’t have to work an eight‑ or ten‑hour structured day, five days a week. I have attorneys who work one or two days a week, structuring and clustering. You can practice law on your own terms, and it’s insanely lucrative. Every business needs a name, probably a logo, probably a tagline. The reach is insane, especially when clients can be everywhere.
Sonia Lakhany (56:41)
That’s the setup. One thing that came through for me in messaging: I do a live reteach every other summer—that’s my pattern. The course is nine and a half years old; next year we turn ten, which is crazy. I’m thinking about throwing a trademark party for it.
Tyson Mutrux (57:00)
Great idea. Congratulations.
Sonia Lakhany (57:15)
Would you come?
Tyson Mutrux (57:18)
If you invite me, I’ll come. You’re making me want to start a trademark law firm—your sell is really good.
Sonia Lakhany (57:32)
It’s so lucrative. I just can’t believe how much stacks in favor of this practice area. I wish I could take credit for that. One thing I can take credit for is being a loudmouth about it. I think people have now heard about it many times—they’re like, “We get it.” And I’m like, “I will convert all of you—there’s plenty of work to go around.”
Tyson Mutrux (57:52)
Is there plenty of work? That’s my question.
Sonia Lakhany (57:53)
The USPTO processes just short of one‑point‑something million applications a year or quarter—I don’t remember exactly—and that’s just filings. They register another eight hundred‑plus thousand a year. I just checked their publicly available dashboard.
Tyson Mutrux (58:02)
What do you mean “just short”?
Sonia Lakhany (58:21)
If you Google “Trademark Dashboard USPTO,” they show year‑to‑date and quarter‑to‑date compared to last year’s filings. They’re going up and up because entrepreneurship is at an all‑time high. Side hustles, weekend projects, food trucks, consulting businesses—everything needs a name. It’s so process‑friendly and system‑friendly.
Tyson Mutrux (58:43)
And you can fully automate it, right?
Sonia Lakhany (58:49)
AI is huge now. This is a reteach year, and you just stumbled onto my breakthrough. Because I have a law practice doing what I teach, I’m boots‑on‑the‑ground. That’s why I won’t close it. I still do consults, file marks, handle office actions—at lower volume—but enough to stay current. AI has been a great test. Even for my own practice I’m optimizing, learning, developing skills and projects, setting up the law‑firm brain, creating agents and little “minion” processes. This needs to be a huge part of the reteach. So this summer we’re doing a live version again, and AI is all over it.
Tyson Mutrux (1:00:00)
Is it in person or remote?
Sonia Lakhany (1:00:01)
It’s on Zoom. I teach it live. It’s an opportunity for people who have been looking at the course to say, “Why wouldn’t I want to learn live instead of self‑study?” Once we record, we upload each module that night. There’s a schedule—it goes on three and a half to four weeks. We joke it became One Month to Trademarks. It’s 17 modules; you could watch them in two weeks if you double up some days. But putting attorneys brand‑new to the material through that quickly is rigorous. They have law practices or jobs they’re untangling themselves from. So we take our time and stretch it out. Once we finish each session, that night it’s uploaded; then it’s self‑study in the years between.
Tyson Mutrux (1:00:41)
Take a two‑week vacation.
Sonia Lakhany (1:00:57)
We always make a big thing out of it. People enroll; it’s an excuse to learn live. Here’s something I’m proud of—and I’ve never seen this in any course or webinar as loudly, maybe it’s just not talked about: we have a little over a thousand attorneys who’ve gone through the program—maybe around eleven hundred. Weirdly, I’m not dialed into the exact number.
Sonia Lakhany (1:01:53)
Every time we do a reteach, there are that many more people who’ve taken it. Last reteach was summer 2024; our numbers were different. In that timeframe, more people enrolled and watched. The number of alumni—former students—who email me leading up to reteach season is half my inbox. “I don’t want to miss the reteach dates. Did I miss it? Can I please join?” Because I have a lifetime promise: you get lifetime access to every refresh, every reteach, and…
Tyson Mutrux (1:02:25)
I was going to ask if you charge again for the reteach.
Sonia Lakhany (1:02:28)
It’s completely free. Another thing I’m proud of—though I don’t want to overshadow this—is we have a partnership with the American Bar Association to provide CLE credit in most states: about forty‑one and a half hours of CLE.
Tyson Mutrux (1:02:40)
Very nice. That would almost pay for itself. That’s incredible.
Sonia Lakhany (1:02:50)
If you think about how much it would cost to take those CLEs—yes. But we’re not a CLE provider; that’s just a sprinkle of “you’re welcome.” I want to make it so good that it hits all the marks—plus you get CLE and free refreshes. I think of myself in terms of unreasonable hospitality—like, “Wow, that’s so unreasonably generous”—but why not? We have the means to do it. Many alumni have been rocking with me since 2017, when I was literally a girl with a webinar. Of course I’ll make sure they get everything. Everybody gets free access to reteaches.
Sonia Lakhany (1:03:32)
My students know that every other year we’re doing it and they get free access. It’s remarkable: they already know the stuff; they’ve watched the modules; some have taken two or three iterations. Every alumnus I talk to says, “I can’t wait; I know there’ll be something new—some sprinkle, nugget, something you’re going to add.” It’s not exactly scripted—I teach the way I talk. I’ll say, “I just got this new tool; it’s a game‑changer; you should do this.” I’m so proud of that because: why would busy attorneys, who now have thriving trademark practices thanks to the course, be so excited to take time out to watch something where 85 percent they’ve already heard—maybe 10–15 percent is new?
Sonia Lakhany (1:04:32)
I’m weirdly proud because it means it’s that good—people want to keep watching the same movie over and over. You know exactly how it ends; you know the story; you can probably say the words—you can cite the DuPont factors of trademark law with me—but you still want to watch again. That means they’re finding huge value. We took some time to announce dates this time because I had logistical things to figure out—like where in the world I’ll be and making sure I have good internet. So we were a little delayed announcing it; it starts later this summer.
Tyson Mutrux (1:05:02)
Important. When is it so people know? We can put the dates in the show notes.
Sonia Lakhany (1:05:13)
Perfect—I’ll give them to you. You can put a link and everything. People were messaging: “I haven’t heard—did I miss it? I’ll be so mad if I miss it.” I’m like, “You didn’t miss it; it’s coming.” Facebook messages, Instagram DMs, emails all day, every day: “When is it happening? I need to mark my calendar.”
Tyson Mutrux (1:05:33)
You should do another live, in‑person training for the ten‑year anniversary. That’d be cool.
Sonia Lakhany (1:05:40)
Really good idea. I like that.
Tyson Mutrux (1:05:42)
Maybe not a full training, but a two‑day or something. Something new.
Sonia Lakhany (1:05:47)
I love teaching in person; I never get the chance much anymore.
Tyson Mutrux (1:05:52)
It’s much better in person. I think people have Zoom fatigue.
Sonia Lakhany (1:05:57)
You learn differently when you’re away from your laundry, dishes, bills, and if you have kids and family obligations. I think about how fatigued I got and burned out from the monotony—and that’s describing a one‑person household. I can’t imagine more.
Tyson Mutrux (1:06:17)
Still a lot to that—life gets in the way even for one person.
Sonia Lakhany (1:06:26)
It’s easier to think and absorb information when you’re away. You have different energy and creativity.
Tyson Mutrux (1:06:32)
And in person there’s the way you move—the nonverbals. Watching how someone talks, reacts, maybe moves their foot when a topic comes up—maybe it’s something we should talk about. When you’re training, maybe you teach something and someone’s light bulb goes off: “Do you have a question? Let’s talk about that.” You can add more to the content. It’s a lot better.
Tyson Mutrux (1:06:57)
We’ve got a few minutes left before they kick us out. Are there things, when it comes to travel, that you didn’t think about before you went on this journey—obstacles you didn’t anticipate?
Sonia Lakhany (1:07:23)
Yeah. As much as I tried to pre‑optimize, things pop up where I’m like, “I didn’t think about that being a thing.” Nothing has been unsolvable yet. I’ve decided that as long as you have a passport, a visa, and some cash—I always have at least a couple hundred dollars in cash just in case; I hardly use it, nobody accepts it anymore, but just in case—you can solve most problems.
Tyson Mutrux (1:07:52)
Even if you had to bribe somebody, you know.
Sonia Lakhany (1:07:53)
Or just ask nicely. I’m trying to think of something that’s really caught me off‑guard; nothing yet. I’m sure it’ll come—next time we talk I’ll probably have crazy stories. The hardest thing has been time zones. It’s not hard to move between Eastern and Pacific for a week. But when you’re projecting calls two or three weeks out and don’t know where you’ll be, that’s hard. I revolve around Eastern and Central time because that’s where most of the work anchors.
Tyson Mutrux (1:08:24)
So…
Sonia Lakhany (1:08:26)
I anchor around that. Going backwards—like Hawaii—has been a destination I’ve wanted to go to for a while, because it’s beautiful and the culture is relaxing and laid‑back, which I align with. But being that many hours behind the rest of the world—I’d personally find it hard to relax, because you wake up and the world’s already going.
Tyson Mutrux (1:08:46)
Maui’s so beautiful. So different.
Sonia Lakhany (1:09:05)
I struggled with that in California—trying to have a slow, easy morning, grab a venti iced coffee and then open the laptop. I’d think, “Let’s see what fresh hell is waiting when I open this,” because no matter how early I wake up, I’m three hours behind. And I’m not a morning person. I don’t like to wake up early. I don’t know if you’ll find this fascinating or lazy, but I don’t set an alarm. I wake up when I’m ready—when I’m done.
Tyson Mutrux (1:09:31)
I don’t know how people do that. I have to go to the gym in the morning—I’ve got a trainer, so I need to be there at a certain time. I would oversleep everything—that’s crazy.
Sonia Lakhany (1:09:41)
Nothing on my calendar is before eleven a.m.
Tyson Mutrux (1:09:44)
Difference between litigation and transactional work. All right, promote Two Weeks to Trademarks, 4L, and the firm. How do people get in touch with you?
Sonia Lakhany (1:09:55)
Thank you—I appreciate it. 4LEducation.com or TwoWeeksToTrademarks.com is our website. @atrademarklawyerlady is my Instagram—that’s my favorite way to connect. We have a Facebook group for attorneys already in or interested in trademarks; even if you’ve never heard of the practice area, you’re welcome to join. 4LEducation.com. The live dates start in August. CLE credit in most states. We have a non‑CLE version that’s a bit cheaper because CLE costs an administrative fee. You can also get CLE credit even if you watch on your own; you don’t have to attend live. If you’re seeing this after the fact or it’s too late to block sessions, there’s a window of time to get CLE by watching independently.
Tyson Mutrux (1:10:38)
Do it as well.
Sonia Lakhany (1:10:54)
Awesome.
Tyson Mutrux (1:10:56)
Sonia, thank you so much for doing this. You flew in—you were in another freaking country. Really appreciate it.
Sonia Lakhany (1:11:04)
Thank you for having me. It really is an honor. You capture so many of our stories and show listeners how many ways it can look to lawyer—and lawyer happily—which I think is a gift. You have a way of bringing out our stories. I’ve enjoyed your podcast for years—it’s an honor to be asked. I really appreciate it. The platform you give us to get the word out is amazing, so thank you.
Tyson Mutrux (1:11:32)
Well, the honor’s all mine. Thank you.