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In this episode of The Worst of the Best Podcast, Ryan is joined by co-host Katie to dive deep into how the iconic '90s sitcom Friends has aged—nearly 20 years after its finale. We break down 10 key elements that feel dated today, from running gags about Ross's ex-wife Carol and her partner Susan, fat Monica flashbacks and body image jokes, Ross's "nice guy" red flags and consent issues, Chandler's drag queen dad, Phoebe's traumatic backstory turned comedy fodder, power dynamics in relationships, mocking femininity, possessive male behavior, and the show's lack of diversity in New York City.
We discuss evolving cultural lenses on consent, body positivity, representation, and more—while still celebrating what made Friends a formative, hilarious show for so many. Fair warning: we use today's perspectives on 1994–2004 TV tropes. Is it still binge-worthy? You decide!
Listen to the full conversation and join the debate in the comments. What aged the worst for you?
- 0:00 - Intro & Welcome with Katie
- 2:35 - Katie's Friends Sweater Story & Fandom Origins
- 5:59 - Ryan's Journey to Becoming a Fan
- 11:08 - Preface: Viewing Through 2020s Goggles
- 14:41 - The 10 Things That Aged Poorly (Overview)
- 15:05 - #10: Susan & Carol as Punchlines (Lesbian Representation)
- 18:13 - #9: Jokes About Physical Appearance (Fat Monica, Rachel's Nose)
- 24:49 - #8: Ross as the "Nice Guy" (Jealousy, Tantrums, PhD Flexing)
- 28:15 - Consent Issues & the Sister Kiss Scene
- 30:38 - #7: Chandler's Drag Queen Dad (Helena Handbasket)
- 35:22 - #6: Phoebe's Traumatic Backstory as Comedy
- 38:58 - #5: Problematic Power Dynamics in Relationships
- 40:54 - #4: Mocking Femininity & Gender Roles
- 46:09 - #3: Men Trying to Control Women (Ross, Joey & Sisters)
- 48:22 - #2: Lack of Diversity in NYC Setting
- 57:05 - Ranking the Worst Offenders & Closing Thoughts
- 1:01:15 - Outro & Recommendations
Creators and Guests
What is The Worst of the Best Podcast?
Join host Ryan Rebalkin and his rotating guest hosts on The Worst of the Best Podcast, where they dive into the flaws of the best in pop culture and more. Covering genres like films, music, food, true crime, historical events, celebrity culture, and quirky societal trends, this podcast delivers a humorous, irreverent critique of the finest’s shortcomings.
0:00welcome to the worst of the best podcast I am your host and I have a very special guest with me today I have Katie geilen
0:088 secondskirken there might be a few listeners to this podcast I think there are a few that listen to my Rambo podcast and my Rocky podcast uh called one more round
0:1717 secondsis the name of the rocky podcast and Katie is my host my co-host we host together equally hand in hand
0:2626 secondsPartners it's such a fun show I love our Trio on one more round it's a I always look forward to our recording days so
0:3535 secondsthank you for having me on this show you're a busy bee there Ryan if you've been like a little podcast Fiend I like
0:4242 secondspodcasting I enjoy it um you know the worst the best podcast is still very close to my heart I feel bad for the few listeners I have that
0:5050 secondsactually subscribe to this show that don't get as many episodes as they want I do feel bad about that but this show will never die as as long as I'm
0:5959 secondspodcasting this show will always be podcasted too so that's my promise so I do a rocky podcast I do a Ramble podcast and I do this one as well so to those
1:081 minute, 8 secondswho are subscribed to this feed however they listen to this show just don't ever leave there always will be episodes will always come out and trickle out so Okay
1:161 minute, 16 secondsthe reason why Katie is guest hosting with me today on this episode is because my brother Jason who I usually podcast
1:231 minute, 23 secondswith on the worst of the best he's not a friends fan he he never watched it I don't think he could name any of the characters
1:311 minute, 31 secondsJason it's two beneath them okay let's just be honest he's one of those he's one of those you know
1:391 minute, 39 secondscomedy about you know he's granted I'm speaking for him I've known him my whole life I think I've known him my whole life and I've yeah I'm 99 sure he is not
1:481 minute, 48 secondsa friends fan I can Gary he didn't even watch Seinfeld put it that way so okay I was just gonna ask actually was he more
1:541 minute, 54 secondsa Seinfeld person you know for comedy I think what did he like boy I'd have to ask him I know he he I think he was a fan of is it just shoot
2:032 minutes, 3 secondsme with David Spade I actually really like that too I've been re-watching some of the reruns it's so nice is that the one is it the one where the guy from
2:122 minutes, 12 secondsSeinfeld's in it the guy with the deep voice is that the same am I thinking of the same comedy oh terms of it no rules of engagement sorry
2:202 minutes, 20 secondsoh where the party is the yeah yeah that's a good show too yeah that's a very good show so yeah my brother actually turned me onto that one back
2:282 minutes, 28 secondsthen so shout out to Jason that is a fun show yeah sorry Rules of Engagement I love David Spade he's so funny I like him okay all right today's episode is
2:352 minutes, 35 secondsFriends Centric and I can see uh Katie that you are wearing a friend's sweater do you want to describe the friend's sweater that you're wearing
2:422 minutes, 42 secondsembarrassing actually of a story but friends was on from 1994 to 2004 10-year
2:502 minutes, 50 secondsrun okay I purchased this sweatshirt it's a white sweatshirt with just the Friends logo
2:592 minutes, 59 secondsright from a store called Maurices which those listeners it's probably just in America
3:073 minutes, 7 secondslike smaller like small to medium-sized towns would have like a Maurices like okay store in junior high school like
3:143 minutes, 14 secondsthe Year this came out I have had this sweatshirt since junior high school oh wow I don't leave the house in it it's a
3:213 minutes, 21 secondsbedtime when I get cozy to watch a movie in bed or something but will you take a good care of it it looks new
3:293 minutes, 29 secondsI am shocked how white it is actually yeah given that I have a lot you know I've always had dogs and stuff but yeah so you've had that sweater since 1994.
3:373 minutes, 37 secondsyes wow a shout out to the Quality makers on that and yeah yeah it looks new I thought it was new okay wow that
3:443 minutes, 44 secondsis no that is relative it's though it is probably the oldest piece of clothing that I own very cool I like this what
3:513 minutes, 51 secondsdoes this mean there's somebody oh I think it's just like the uh Warner Brothers like copyright or something oh
3:593 minutes, 59 secondsyeah we gotta copyright that sweater we don't want any knockoffs that's not that's not a knockoff okay before we get into our topic today about friends what's your fandom with it did you watch
4:084 minutes, 8 secondsit from day one did you I'm probably one of the ultimate fans yes I you know I was so I was in junior high in 94 when
4:154 minutes, 15 secondsit came out this was back when it was on the Thursday night lineup of NBC which was like the best shows we're on like
4:234 minutes, 23 secondsWill and Grace I think was when it came out you know so it immediately caught my attention because partially
4:314 minutes, 31 secondsit's like these are 20 somethings and you know I'm in junior high so you usually kind of like the people that are older than you and then it ran through
4:384 minutes, 38 secondsfor 10 years so then in 2004 I was out of college so it was my formative years and I so I kind of grew up with friends
4:464 minutes, 46 secondsI mean it made these people's careers although Courtney Cox was probably the most famous it just kept getting better and better especially probably those
4:544 minutes, 54 secondsmiddle seasons and I own all the DVDs I have the um is it Trivial Pursuit there's like a
5:025 minutes, 2 secondsfriends Trivial Pursuit all so I'm the youngest of three girls and we all just say lines just randomly out when we're
5:105 minutes, 10 secondsand or the rest of the people were with have no idea what we're saying but we do in fact there was uh my sister Megan's
5:175 minutes, 17 secondswedding my my other sister and I of course were I think co-maids of honor and the priest or the whoever the
5:255 minutes, 25 secondsofficiator pastor or whatever was like saying something about the giving and the receiving and the and
5:335 minutes, 33 secondsmy sister and I that were standing up were like laughing uncontrollably and then later people that were they were like what were you guys laughing at I'm
5:425 minutes, 42 secondslike it's a friend's joke right when I you know of course back in the 90s late 90s started watching I was a Frasier Watcher Seinfeld and I I think I was
5:505 minutes, 50 secondslike my brother Jason I knew friends of course existed it was probably the third season and it's making the waves
5:595 minutes, 59 secondsheadlines you're seeing them on all these TV guide and magazine this cast right you just keep they're plastered everyone this is well before I had the
6:066 minutes, 6 secondsinternet in the home even back then like I did but it wasn't like the internet Tab today like we had the internet but it was very there's no social media for example so I
6:146 minutes, 14 secondsjust knew that friends existed because I was big into popular culture but I was like no I'm not gonna watch this is for I don't know what I would have called them but even though I was young but I
6:236 minutes, 23 secondswas in my 20s this is childish comedy I watched Fraser I watched I watched Seinfeld I watched intelligent humor as
6:306 minutes, 30 secondsI saw it anyway so my wife you know being a young I think she started watching I think it begrudgingly well fine I'll sit down and watch it with you
6:386 minutes, 38 secondsbecause there's nothing else to do right but then yeah I started to really quite enjoy it obviously I was like oh this is good and then became my CTV for me as
6:466 minutes, 46 secondswell and I I think I did miss a few of the earlier episodes uh because this was before streaming of course and pvrs I
6:546 minutes, 54 secondsmean I had a VHS recorder but the repeats were hard to you know you I didn't even know so I did buy the DVD box that myself and they all came out so
7:027 minutes, 2 secondsI ended up watching the whole series before they started streaming now they're available to stream everywhere I think it's uh in Canada friends is
7:097 minutes, 9 secondsavailable on crave is the app is so it's like they're like a Canadian conglomerate to HBO they kind of oh yeah
7:187 minutes, 18 secondsso it's a Canadian version of HBO Max okay yeah it's called crave so you can watch Friends the whole series but again I bought the DVDs not knowing that TV
7:267 minutes, 26 secondswould ever stream like this was back in the day you know I would say I have watched the series officially all the way through
7:337 minutes, 33 secondsfrom beginning to end in order with all the 10 season DVD box at twice so do you have a favorite character or sure um
7:437 minutes, 43 secondsGellers I was a fan of the the siblings and I like them all for the different beats at the end of the day like Joey was my least favorite okay because he
7:527 minutes, 52 secondswas a tough guy Dopey he was a fan favorite especially I think with females because he was the tough guy with a heart didn't he date Rachel for a spell
8:008 minutesyeah and everyone hated that nobody liked that I didn't like it either I was always team Ross for Rachel oh for sure I was a sucker for the relationship and
8:088 minutes, 8 secondsit pained me when they broke up and the pain me when Ross was a dick about it like all these things like oh my gosh Ross you have Rachel like but I had a
8:158 minutes, 15 secondstotal total crush on Courtney Cox to me her friends years I mean you're still a beautiful woman I'm not trying misogynistic I'm just saying when I was
8:248 minutes, 24 secondsin my 20s watching Courtney Cox on TV I was absolutely Smitten by Monica I thought she was just a great catch and I
8:328 minutes, 32 secondsloved her character and so the siblings were my favorite two of the six glad to hear that Monica that you thought she
8:398 minutes, 39 secondswas so pretty because I also I mean I think all the girls are beautiful I think that Courtney Cox she's just like
8:468 minutes, 46 secondsa stunning Beauty yeah Rachel I guess yeah Rachel yeah even Brad Pitt but for some reason I was
8:538 minutes, 53 secondstotally Smitten by Courtney Cox yeah I think she's prettier I think so too actually yeah yeah um but I'm a big fan
9:009 minutesof Lisa Kudrow and I just think she plays Phoebe I can't imagine anyone else is her it's just perfect so yeah the old didn't agree and then of course Chandler
9:089 minutes, 8 secondsor Matthew Perry may he rest in peace oh sorry not yet oh the reunion you know why I can't watch
9:179 minutes, 17 secondsit James Corden hosted it oh oh isn't he Canadian or did I make that up he's absolutely the worst I can't watch
9:259 minutes, 25 secondshim I must not see much of him I don't know very much about James Corden yeah anyway so I haven't I I still may watch it but again I've read so much about it
9:339 minutes, 33 secondswhere it was just makes Harry was he yeah guess what the official byline was but apparently he was yeah and so it's hard
9:429 minutes, 42 secondsfor me to watch I actually have a hard time watching cringe whatever side the politics are on this is kind of a side note my brother he always sends me uh
9:499 minutes, 49 secondsJoe Biden slurring is it's hard for me to watch I don't care what side the fence you're on I just get
9:579 minutes, 57 secondslike yeah this is so embarrassing I can't I do feel bad for public figures to some degree because they can't escape the that's what they signed up for it
10:0410 minutes, 4 secondsthey signed yeah that's true that's true that's true but anyways I just say that so regarding this reunion I've heard some things that I saw the headlines read some articles yeah and I was like
10:1210 minutes, 12 secondsoof I don't know if I can it doesn't sound like it's fun they're supposed to be fun you were probably better off skipping it I did watch it and I honestly don't really remember that much
10:2010 minutes, 20 secondsso it must have been not that good so sometimes I think things are better left Sleeping Dog lie or whatever I don't know that's my long way of saying I
10:2710 minutes, 27 secondsenjoyed the show love the show here but I think the show as it went through it got better the cast got better they got they got into their groove like watching that first season especially that first
10:3510 minutes, 35 secondsepisode's rough it did take him a minute to get into the characters because the writers write to the actors this is what happens because the actors bring their own Matthew Perry gets to be more
10:4410 minutes, 44 secondsMatthew Perry and all this stuff so they become in uh in their own more so here we go folks yes this is our long intro people like holy crap guy shut up but then again if you're listening to this
10:5210 minutes, 52 secondsbecause you're a friend's fan then this should be good look there's thousands of podcasts out there that talk about friends I'm sure there's two girls right now podcasting about friends with wine
11:0111 minutes, 1 secondand I'm sure in the in all those episodes they have talked about things that maybe have aged poorly but that's what today's episode is about the show
11:0811 minutes, 8 secondsended 18 years ago oh my God that doesn't that make you feel it makes me feel old what makes me feel it's crazy because it still seems like a new wish
11:1611 minutes, 16 secondsto come to me but it it ended 18 years ago 18 years ago wow and a lot what has changed in our world I'm going to give a
11:2411 minutes, 24 secondslittle bit of a preface I'm 47 years old I'm white I'm a male I'm straight I'm married I'm boring well you hit the
11:3211 minutes, 32 secondslottery didn't you yeah I know I'm your boring demographic when I saw this list that we're going to talk about
11:4011 minutes, 40 secondsI never felt the things that people have curated over the years of why friends is
11:4711 minutes, 47 secondsaged poorly so when we go over the list so I logically I understand what we're about to say I just want to kind of like I don't want people to come at me so my
11:5611 minutes, 56 secondsfriends listen to the show you're woke and you're no I no stop that it's not that it's but I'm also not 20 anymore I have
12:0412 minutes, 4 secondsmatured in my years and I've matured since this show ended you know I see the world differently than I did 20 odd years ago absolutely so I admit when
12:1312 minutes, 13 secondsthis show was on like all the other millions of viewers I don't remember any hate mail or letters NBC saying why are you doing this but this is going to be
12:2012 minutes, 20 secondsvery interesting to kind of go back a little bit with 2022 goggles on and say hey yeah they probably wouldn't
12:2712 minutes, 27 secondswrite a mainstream television this way today and it's always been this way All in the Family was this way Married with Children today so you go back to Annie's
12:3412 minutes, 34 secondssitcom that was popular in its day yeah the world changes the narrative changes so I just want to keep in mind that this
12:4012 minutes, 40 secondsisn't Ryan and Katie saying der this is terrible but we are going to talk about the things that yeah it has aged poorly
12:4912 minutes, 49 secondsin the sense you probably wouldn't write a major NBC sitcom this way anymore with these points that we bring up is that fair I fully agree the only constant in
12:5712 minutes, 57 secondsthat you can count on in life is things will change you gotta roll with the punches and we are using today's lens on things it's a little different but then
13:0513 minutes, 5 secondsI don't think a lot of times there's ill intent behind things and but you couldn't do some things now just I'm starting to re-watch Buffy the Vampire
13:1313 minutes, 13 secondsSlayers one of my favorite shows growing up as well not even growing up I watched that as an adult because again it came out nice really I've actually never seen it it's a great show I love it but I
13:2113 minutes, 21 secondsloved the Christy Swanson movie well yeah the show's much better than that film I'm a big Buffy fan and so I'm re-watching that series all the way
13:2913 minutes, 29 secondsthrough for the first time as real so my so I'm actually doing uh listening to a podcast called the re-watcher and it's based on there's two girls and one
13:3813 minutes, 38 secondshasn't seen the show the other one has and it's really kind of cool oh my God it's one of my daily they have a true crime podcast that I listen to and
13:4713 minutes, 47 secondsthat's how I know them yeah they're good and they've talked about The Buffy I haven't listened to the Buffy one obviously because I've not seen it yeah they just sort of started I would
13:5413 minutes, 54 secondsrecommend just a note if you want to watch Buffy and you're a fan of these hoes that I would recommend yeah doing a watch long Buffy listen to them they're they're handling the show quite well I
14:0214 minutes, 2 secondssay this because one of their segments in their podcast is they call it did this thing in the show episode whatever
14:0914 minutes, 9 secondsit is aged like a human or age like a vampire that's cute it's very clever I gotta admit that's very clever the idea being that this age poorly or is this
14:1814 minutes, 18 secondsokay like a vampires live forever so this this didn't age poorly and this is a 90s show as well so it's about the same area of time a lot of stuff did not
14:2614 minutes, 26 secondsage well it's not just friends is what I'm saying it's Buffy it's any show that came out in the 90s early 2000s so you're going to have this issue okay
14:3414 minutes, 34 secondsagreed our show of course is the worst of the best so what we do is we've taken I guess you could say the best things or
14:4114 minutes, 41 secondsthe top things that have aged poorly and the episode independent of each other we don't know our answer yet do you want to pick the thing that
14:4914 minutes, 49 secondsis the most quote unquote worst offender or the sink okay okay I agree right that's kind of what I was like the thing
14:5714 minutes, 57 secondsthat's the best offenders these are the best offenders so which one is the worst of the best offender yeah okay all right all right so this isn't in any order so number one
15:0515 minutes, 5 secondsisn't going to be our pick these are just 10 things random order people might think the first thing that I'm I'm about to read is the worst thing but we'll
15:1315 minutes, 13 secondsfind out here we go as you know Katie one of the most recurrent gags of friends is the fact this is the early Seasons too is the fact that Ross's
15:2015 minutes, 20 secondsex-wife Carol is a lesbian this series though did do a decent job I think I actually did a good job especially in these early days of TV portraying a
15:2815 minutes, 28 secondshealthy lesbian couple you know they're raising a kid they're having a kid together so they were actually in many ways ahead of the curve showing on prime time
15:3715 minutes, 37 secondsTV here's a lesbian couple dot you know having a kid so I did a good job with that however the show then loses a little bit of
15:4515 minutes, 45 secondscredit because Susan Carroll are of course the punchline of many jokes and the jokes were usually aimed at the fact that Ross lost to a woman this is a very
15:5315 minutes, 53 secondscommon Trope we even hear it all the time like my wife broke up with me now she's a lesbian you know that's the idea me as a
16:0116 minutes, 1 secondman I was such a terrible my man who was so lame that she's like well if this is men I'm going to be gay now and that's kind of that comedy Trope that doesn't
16:0916 minutes, 9 secondsage well exactly like the you you turned them right gay which obviously we know is not a thing but it was a common Trump
16:1816 minutes, 18 secondsof the time right yeah absolutely yeah oh yes like the one of the oldest jokes in the book is if somebody goes gay out of a heterosexual relationship is because their experience was so terrible
16:2716 minutes, 27 secondswith that opposite sex they have to be good yeah but this of course like you said invalidates hero sexuality as if it only exists to make Ross's life
16:3516 minutes, 35 secondsmiserable now of course these are the characters but the writers we have to keep in mind everything we're saying here folks it's not Ross or Chandler or Monica but keep in
16:4416 minutes, 44 secondsmind I guess you could say we're pointing fingers at the writers at the end of the day it's the writers of the sitcom the actors had nothing to do with it as far as I know they just read the
16:5216 minutes, 52 secondsscript so to speak so the writers and creators of the show are the ones that had these storylines okay yeah there you go that's number 10 Susan a Carol are
16:5916 minutes, 59 secondsthe punchline of friends jokes especially those early seasons I think they get kind of tiring after a while anyways it was a Trope that lasted
17:0717 minutes, 7 secondslong honestly I thought this one it was kind of a running gag
17:1517 minutes, 15 secondsboth like co-parenting Ross still felt a little like challenged by Susan because she
17:2317 minutes, 23 secondstook Carol from him so there it's like well you were married to that woman you know so there's always a little ribbing between Ross and
17:3217 minutes, 32 secondsSusan right I think they did make amends later on they were they were at least amicable but I guess I didn't notice this one
17:4017 minutes, 40 secondsbeing so it wasn't over the top to me and we don't want to reveal what we think is the worst offender during the list I know I know don't they don't yes
17:4917 minutes, 49 secondsbut you're right that isn't the most horrific offender because I think this one saved a little bit by the fact that they did show a gay couple on TV yeah
17:5617 minutes, 56 secondsthat they were a strong woman and Ross was kind of he was sort of castrated he was the victim more than them in some way you know they might have been the
18:0418 minutes, 4 secondsbutt at jokes but it was Ross that was left okay that's usually the Ross character he was poor Ross yeah well we'll get to Ross later okay
18:1318 minutes, 13 secondsso what do you guys number nine is that there's too many jokes about physical appearance
18:2018 minutes, 20 secondsparticularly or most notably a fat young Monica
18:2618 minutes, 26 secondsadditionally there was Rachel's old nose Rachel got a nose job that's kind of a consistent joke
18:3418 minutes, 34 secondsbasically it's all sort of aimed at Women's appearance and how like there's an insinuation
18:4118 minutes, 41 secondspotentially that A Woman's Worth is essentially her beauty or lack of or you know she doesn't have anything else to
18:4918 minutes, 49 secondsoffer yeah this was very much especially I think the big one was Monica's weight because when she did that first reveal with the flashback and she's in the fat
18:5818 minutes, 58 secondssuit and just like a Falls a laugh the crowd and I made the I remember back in the day made the headlines like you know Courtney Cox in a fast food isn't this
19:0619 minutes, 6 secondshilarious look she's a skinny beautiful woman who's now fat now she's skinny and beautiful but there was a time she was fat and and nobody knows her she was
19:1419 minutes, 14 secondsignored because of her weight or whatever the situation right and she like bumped into things like kind of Pratt fallish about being yeah a lot of
19:2119 minutes, 21 secondsphysical comedy yeah like fat people can't I'm well I guess depending on the weight but the idea that if you're overweight you're just like they're rolling down the whole way I don't
19:3019 minutes, 30 secondsanyway well yeah I don't know what this says about me but I found it always freaking hilarious
19:3819 minutes, 38 secondswell it was played off very funny by Courtney Cox she did a great job doing it like this is the problem it was funny
19:4519 minutes, 45 secondsbut does it age poorly my opinion is that it's because it's her in a fat suit we're not
19:5319 minutes, 53 secondsactually poking fun at a truly overweight or obese human sure for me Lance I don't know if that's my excuse
20:0220 minutes, 2 secondsor whatnot because this is the problem you're laughing look at the Austin Powers remember Austin Powers the movie
20:0920 minutes, 9 secondstroll yeah yeah bastard yeah you know yeah Michael Myers was in a fast suit and the
20:1720 minutes, 17 secondswhole joke is how he's fat because he eats was it I'm depressed because I eat and I eat because I'm depressed well in
20:2420 minutes, 24 secondsthe jokes there are a lot of like Monica the when they tell their parents The Gellers are hilarious like right the actress
20:3120 minutes, 31 secondshurricane whatever didn't break the porch swing Monica did or why are we always hanging out with that Russian or
20:3920 minutes, 39 secondsUkrainian kid because this mom put mayonnaise on everything like oh she ate all the Girl Scout cookies you know so stuff like that but it was
20:4720 minutes, 47 secondsplayed because she is so opposite of that Courtney Cox herself was known as especially time as being I
20:5620 minutes, 56 secondsmean there were a lot of Articles written about why are the Friends girls so skinny when it first started Rachel was like a normal looking woman and then
21:0521 minutes, 5 secondsshe lost 30 pounds they did lose weight I've seen Rachel's face or Jennifer has his face in the first season like baby
21:1321 minutes, 13 secondsfat on her face it looks like still yeah I mean she lost like 30 pounds which is a lot for someone of her stature but those two particularly at a certain
21:2221 minutes, 22 secondspoint you know there that was the time the 90s were a time of wafey thin-ness there was even a this fat the the
21:3021 minutes, 30 secondsphysical comedy particularly Monica being fat did you ever watch Beavis and Butthead oh yeah of course are you familiar there was that I don't know why
21:3921 minutes, 39 secondsit's the dumbest show ever but I thought it was hilarious when I was 13 or whatever and there was an episode where they were watching
21:4721 minutes, 47 secondsfriends I think and they were making fun of the anorexic like why are those friends girls so anorexic and that's
21:5621 minutes, 56 secondssomething you couldn't say now I mean you shouldn't poke fun so essentially these are real problems that humans have and we shouldn't poke fun at it and
22:0422 minutes, 4 secondsobesity let's be honest is is an issue that excuse the pun it's gotten larger sort of indeed hey it's just gone bigger
22:1222 minutes, 12 secondsokay this is a touchy one there's a lot of touchy ones we are in a movement which is good I think we're in a movement of body positivity right now
22:2022 minutes, 20 secondsyeah we want to be clear shaming anyone for anything is that's not what we're talking about education about health is
22:2722 minutes, 27 secondsanother topic you can be healthy and not super skinny of course I think what we're saying is there's an
22:3522 minutes, 35 secondsextreme component that you wouldn't see on any TV show even now sometimes I think it's possible
22:4322 minutes, 43 secondsfor people to try and spare feelings so much that the pendulum swings that you can't even recognize
22:5122 minutes, 51 secondshey this you could die like this is like not yeah if you were smoking two packs a day and I said to you hey just so you
23:0023 minutesknow you might end your life early now if I say that am I am I misogynistic am I or am I concerned about your health exactly I'm so afraid his weight is a
23:0923 minutes, 9 secondsphysical thing I get it yeah it's a touchy one let's say underweight it's the same thing this one get you're right anorex yeah that will also kill you
23:1723 minutes, 17 secondsunder nourishment will kill you people die of starvation so it does kill people over nourishment will kill you
23:2623 minutes, 26 secondsthey have physical indicators that's when you're extremely underweight like anorexia it it's also they're both mental health
23:3423 minutes, 34 secondsissues to a degree as well yeah oh for sure it's yeah yeah but people are saying hey this is a physical indicator
23:4123 minutes, 41 secondsthat your body isn't in that in an unhealthy state if you have cancer I would recommend chemo if you were a
23:4823 minutes, 48 secondssmoker I'd recommend to stop if you over drink I'd recommend stop drinking if you overeat I'd recommend cut off the sugar
23:5523 minutes, 55 secondsand carbs but if I say that it is interesting um and so with the 90s it was the age of the supermodel and you
24:0324 minutes, 3 secondsknow all of the beauty magazines and I just I mean I was obsessed ever I was obsessed with weight unhealthily so
24:1124 minutes, 11 secondsthat's right so I think we've moved in a you know because you always compare yourself I'm like well I don't have a 22 inch waist what's I must not there's
24:1824 minutes, 18 secondssomething wrong with me you know there you go perfect your value as a human is not dictated on your looks so there you
24:2624 minutes, 26 secondsgo so we're gonna make this clear on our show boy we're gonna get the hate mail's gonna yeah when I'm trying to get it I have kids and I care about them so I
24:3424 minutes, 34 secondswant them to be healthy it's all it is mental health healthy and physical health healthy absolutely the balance in all things that's all it is balance
24:4124 minutes, 41 secondsall right boy well said well said all over the place this is a this this um it's touchy the topic the 10 ways that
24:4924 minutes, 49 secondssomething ages poorly oh boy that's just the way that it is like again it's things do age poorly so what's up next well this one might be a little bit less
24:5724 minutes, 57 secondscontroversial so to speak this is that Ross is a quote-unquote nice guy but is he so one of the central story lines of friends is the the will they or won't
25:0525 minutes, 5 secondsthe relationship between Ross and Rachel from the very first season these two characters share a mutual attraction that grows it to love but is often disrupted by the drama throughout the
25:1325 minutes, 13 secondsshow that carries their relationship throughout the episodes and but as we know spoiler alert in the last season the everything is happy for them at the
25:2025 minutes, 20 secondsend but when you re-watch the series or take a look back at your memory banks we'll start to notice that Ross's attitude wasn't exactly that of a
25:2725 minutes, 27 secondsromantic hero he might even be considered a red flag he's often jealous extremely so throws tantrums when uh
25:3625 minutes, 36 secondsRachel interacts with other men he's also maybe misogynistic himself because he he believes he's better than other people because he has a PHD often talks
25:4525 minutes, 45 secondsabout his PhD again it's comedic effect the way he is with thoughts on Ross maybe not being such a nice guy
25:5325 minutes, 53 secondsyeah it's interesting because over the course of the series it's almost like flamboyantly so you know what I mean it
26:0026 minutesgets a little ridiculous towards the end yeah they become characters of themselves that happens for every show when they last a little bit too long yeah that's a much better way of saying
26:0826 minutes, 8 secondsit they force him to go on sabbatical at work because he kind of loses it I think early on Ross maybe was more of the sweet nice
26:1826 minutes, 18 secondsguy he he swoops in especially that scene when he gets Rachel essentially when they were watching the videotape of
26:2526 minutes, 25 secondsprom and he thinks that her date stands her up and so he swoops in and then her day does show up and so we're heartbroken but then she gets up and
26:3426 minutes, 34 secondsgoes to kiss him and we're like oh sweet But as time goes on I really don't think he is that nice he
26:4126 minutes, 41 secondsis very he's condescending and full of himself and possessive if you look for these things sure but it's just kind of
26:4926 minutes, 49 secondsa running thing looking to agree but we're saying on the surface you want to talk about surface things maybe he's not as nice as we once thought if you look
26:5626 minutes, 56 secondsback at his behavior Ross might have needed some therapy yes one of the things that's not listed I don't know what category would fit in
27:0427 minutes, 4 secondsbut he's one of the things they poke a lot of fun at is his he loves to get married he gets married like he's been married three times
27:1227 minutes, 12 secondsum but yeah Carol Emily and he does end up marrying Rachel doesn't he yeah Emily was a British one right yes yeah and
27:2027 minutes, 20 secondsdidn't he say I take you Rachel is that what the big one was yeah so they immediately were on the outside yeah should I get up there to this day
27:2927 minutes, 29 secondsbecause I've been married before I'm on my second marriage our 13 year anniversary is coming up by the way uh oh congrats every now and then I'm like I just gotta make sure I say the proper
27:3727 minutes, 37 secondsname it still haunts me I have never made the mistake but even after 13 years of marriage you're always just like
27:4527 minutes, 45 secondsit's every now and then happens I just usually don't say my wife's name you know what you should have done you know how some people
27:5227 minutes, 52 secondsbury or date people with the same name she's got somebody with the same name yeah yeah no kidding I'll get it illegally change your name to my first
28:0028 minuteswife there you go I'm sure you should go for that easily she'll be like yeah all for that Brian sure
28:0928 minutes, 9 secondshe's a nice guy and then seven there's a misunderstanding where
28:1528 minutes, 15 secondsRoss kisses Monica his sister by mistake right but the reason that
28:2228 minutes, 22 secondsthis age is poorly is that he thinks he's kissing a sleeping Rachel so there's a flash a flashback scene of
28:3128 minutes, 31 secondsthem like in college and Rachel and Monica must have come to visit Ross and Chandler he thinks that she's asleep under a pile of coats
28:3928 minutes, 39 secondsand he kisses her so it's not so it's it's hilarity because he kisses his own sister but
28:4628 minutes, 46 secondswhat ages poorly is hey is consent a new thing like you can't just kiss you can't just
28:5428 minutes, 54 secondsdo things to an unconscious person consent his intentions consent yeah so the joke is it's a sister but behind
29:0329 minutes, 3 secondsthat is had it been Rachel he would have kissed either way he still kissed his sister without consent they both age poorly yeah but so but the show
29:1229 minutes, 12 secondsdoes not explore this it's funny because you know it's funny on the show they don't explore the fact that he didn't get permission even if it was Rachel
29:2129 minutes, 21 secondsright now was she asleep because she was tired or was she drunk I got I don't remember what was the idea either way I
29:2829 minutes, 28 secondsknow she's probably drunk but she was probably drunk of course either way I'm just curious I just don't remember the storyline I think she I mean I think he
29:3629 minutes, 36 secondsthinks you know it's there at a party so she was Quantico dozed off or is he passed out she passed out so that's uh
29:4529 minutes, 45 secondsthat's so not good no that's actually really kind of bad oh boy yeah if we really I have a daughter or of course my
29:5229 minutes, 52 secondsson's two but usually it's let's be honest usually it's men that do this kind of shite so if my daughter was
29:5929 minutes, 59 secondsasleep or passed out and some man kissed her without her I would be livid that's this is tough oh boy it is a rough one
30:0630 minutes, 6 secondsand also kind of a again like a lot of these things are just of their time there are a lot of jokes I don't know if
30:1330 minutes, 13 secondsthey still happen I'll have to think through examples of even married couples though there will be a joke on TV about well at least he woke you up first
30:3030 minutes, 30 secondsyeah you know so it's like wow like that consent please we would very much appreciate that
30:3830 minutes, 38 secondsso the next one this one's a little bit obviously tricky but this one reminds me so Chandler's dad was he just a drag
30:4630 minutes, 46 secondsqueen or was he an actual like and I get confused about this is my ignorance so please people yeah I'm not making fun I'm not even making like did he
30:5530 minutes, 55 secondstransition the character transition to a woman or was he just or was his dad just a cross-dresser slash put on the makeup hair we don't
31:0231 minutes, 2 secondsmean because there's body transitions through medical procedures it was he considered just a quote-unquote drag queen or did he identify as a female I
31:1031 minutes, 10 secondscan't quite remember the status well I think that's part of I think that's part of the challenge is that she Chandler's dad is a performer I hadn't
31:2031 minutes, 20 secondsremembered it but it's Hell in a hand basket which is hilarious Helena Helena like Helena refer to the
31:2831 minutes, 28 secondscharacter as she and this would have been earlier what was the identification of the pronoun which I think so I think
31:3631 minutes, 36 secondsI think part of the gags are that it's inner they sometimes do and sometimes don't like it wasn't the pronouns wasn't
31:4331 minutes, 43 secondslike a whole thing but they go to her they go to her shows like she is a performer but then they do sort of conflate I
31:5031 minutes, 50 secondsthink that's part of it right like it's not explored if Chandler's dad in like
31:5631 minutes, 56 secondsan ordinarily life is a trans woman or just a man that is a drag queen they
32:0332 minutes, 3 secondsdon't explore that Julia that's the problem I think you and I are having right now so Friends the show simply assumed that drag queens are trans women
32:1132 minutes, 11 secondsexactly they tied the two together they are separate they are exactly that's right you've transitioned to a woman when you were once quote unquote a you
32:1932 minutes, 19 secondsknow CIS male and now you identify as a woman and thus you and they do that because I think there's
32:2932 minutes, 29 secondsan engagement party scene or something where Chandler's dad is there as a woman so they just conflate the two things and
32:3732 minutes, 37 secondsI think that's kind of what oh because there's a lot of jokes about it like so many jokes about it yeah so the character Helena handbasket
32:4632 minutes, 46 secondshell in the hand basket played by Kathleen Turner who played by a
32:5432 minutes, 54 secondsan actress a very famous actress Kathleen Turner and we know of course you mentioned on your one of your episodes when you talked about juvenile
33:0233 minutes, 2 secondson our podcast Network you mentioned this a very plot line played by Kathleen Turner how as she got older I wonder if
33:0933 minutes, 9 secondsshe's a smoker honestly but as she got older she got the Gravely voice she put on a little bit of weight it wasn't quite the
33:1633 minutes, 16 secondsstereotypical bombshell that she was in the 80s so to her credit she kind of embraced the difference of her own appearance and Voice by playing a man so
33:2433 minutes, 24 secondsto speak she played a man as a female so I I kind of give her credit you know a little bit to embrace her own hey I'm not the
33:3333 minutes, 33 secondsbombshell I used to be but I'm gonna still have fun on TV and embrace that however the show kind of handled it not the best because he also made it seem
33:4133 minutes, 41 secondslike Chandler's own sexuality was affected by this uh so jokes were point to her towards him like oh you must be a gay man because your dad's gay like the
33:5033 minutes, 50 secondstwo so the parents would automatically traumatize someone in this way so the idea being that because you have a gay parent then your life will somehow be
33:5733 minutes, 57 secondstraumatic like straight parents have never caused trauma to their children exactly and his mom is straight and
34:0534 minutes, 5 secondsshe's she's like uh wowzers I mean she you know she's is also played by a super Morgan Fairchild oh yeah
34:1334 minutes, 13 secondsfriends it was just funny because like that's hilarious yeah Chandler's parents are Morgan Fairchild and uh Kathleen
34:2134 minutes, 21 secondsTurner hilarious there's just a lot of jokes one that I can think of is Rachel has not met Chandler's dad before and
34:2834 minutes, 28 secondsthere's something about sometimes they just like they're like oh I want to keep my parents apart because they fight or right that seems to be and she's there
34:3534 minutes, 35 secondsat a party engagement party I think and they're like hey Rachel you know just try and find Chandler's dad and you know talk him up for a while
34:4434 minutes, 44 secondskeep them away from blah blah I can't remember what exactly it was and she's like okay and then so she's meeting people at this party and she meets a
34:5134 minutes, 51 secondswoman named Amanda who is again it's like kind of your stereotypical like Butchy
35:0035 minutestype woman right that like a bigger stature too and so with a deeper voice and so Rachel thinks this actual woman
35:0735 minutes, 7 secondsis Chandler's dad and she goes oh I get it oh man duh do you remember that scene
35:1535 minutes, 15 secondsyes well yeah they those don't play well those those would fall pretty flat nowadays yeah the next one is that
35:2235 minutes, 22 secondsPhoebe has a really unfortunate past and somehow that's like super hilarious
35:2935 minutes, 29 secondsshe's homeless we learn has encountered crime both on the giving and receiving end of it
35:3635 minutes, 36 secondsshe didn't go to high school she didn't ever have a bike growing up she didn't know her dad and her mom commit suicide
35:4435 minutes, 44 secondshilarious she has an estranged twin sister exactly so like Phoebe's life has some super heavy stuff that she's
35:5335 minutes, 53 secondsdealing with and it's just a running gag while Lisa Kudrow played it very well excellent right her friends don't really
36:0136 minutes, 1 secondaddress all of that heavy stuff and acknowledge it the only thing I can think of that they really do is when
36:0836 minutes, 8 secondsRoss buys her a bike when he learns that she never had a bike right you remember that and she doesn't know how to ride a bike this isn't part of it but they make
36:1636 minutes, 16 secondsfun of her vegetarianism a lot and I'm like yeah yeah that's right they do I think that's fantastic I think that's aged perfectly I think just keep making
36:2536 minutes, 25 secondsfun of her vegetarianism perfect I love it that will never get old of my books I think we can still make fun of vegetarians I think we could shame vegetarians I think that's still allowed
36:3336 minutes, 33 secondswell it's not allowed but it is like I mean you're not a protected a group we should be we're trying to protect the
36:4136 minutes, 41 secondsplanet people come on oh I'm not gonna be here long enough to worry about it don't you like that one okay you even have kids uh who cares I'm not gonna
36:4836 minutes, 48 secondsworry about them either okay yeah it's funny that was an interesting
36:5736 minutes, 57 secondsone that was on the list uh in general but fair fair Point again we're talking about our mental health we're talking about uh we're looking at a comedy show
37:0737 minutes, 7 secondsin a real world situation but however I mean a lot of young people watch this and there's no real discussion to like
37:1537 minutes, 15 secondsPhoebe seems to be adjusted enough I mean she's weird she's quirky we get that that's her yeah she's weird and quirky but she's but she's also very sweet and kind and so I don't remember
37:2437 minutes, 24 secondsdo we learn how she got through this do we learn how she overcame is do we learn why she's able to hold the job and pay
37:3137 minutes, 31 secondsrent or have friends and have our own social life and love life how did she get through this monkey muck so that might have been an interesting
37:3937 minutes, 39 secondsI had the writers said hey you know we got an opportunity here to teach kids or people who are in these tough situations who parents do commit suicide who people
37:4637 minutes, 46 secondswho were mixed up in the wrong crowd in crime or maybe give a little bit of indication how this character became part of society in a healthy way
37:5537 minutes, 55 secondswe don't even really learn how because she's sort of the outlier of the group I don't even think we learn really how they all became friends she must have
38:0338 minutes, 3 secondsbeen a neighbor did you hear the rumor the conspiracy theory about her you probably have what that she's still homeless and all these things and she's
38:1238 minutes, 12 secondscreated this whole world in her mind oh I have not heard that I can't be bothered with those things
38:1938 minutes, 19 secondsum that answers your question how did she become friends with it why is that because she's outside the coffee shop
38:2738 minutes, 27 secondshomeless and she created this world with the characters so when they come into the coffee shop there's just five of them hilarious oh no she was originally
38:3538 minutes, 35 secondsroommates with Monica but we don't really understand how they match okay these are people that watch it more than you that's a harmless that's like I mean
38:4338 minutes, 43 secondsthose are like fun conspiracy theories that are just harmless like what if right and it's like wow I have not
38:5038 minutes, 50 secondsthought of that so number number four power Dynamic relationships so throughout the series of course I had many relationships of all the pairs or
38:5838 minutes, 58 secondsall the characters had different relationships different pair ups but however there was a power Dynamic which I don't remember thinking much of it but
39:0639 minutes, 6 secondsso if you work in any kind of like business or schooling you're probably not a lot of data college student so Ross dated a college student Rachel had
39:1439 minutes, 14 secondsin this relationship with her younger assistant well you know I guess kudos to make her the older and him the younger but he was so naive and stupid and she
39:2239 minutes, 22 secondstook advantage of that you could argue I mean that was kind of the thing she was intelligent smart and he was so Dopey and and then of course Monica dated her
39:3039 minutes, 30 secondswealthy boss Peach so there was this power Dynamic which play for comedy but in real world situations these are
39:3839 minutes, 38 secondsproblematic the issue isn't what the age difference necessarily because even the college
39:4539 minutes, 45 secondsstudent was of age right but it's that what's interesting there were some famous scandals like the
39:5239 minutes, 52 secondsBill Clinton Monica Lewinsky scandal happened in the mid 90s maybe so that was a famous one there's a lot I mean
40:0040 minutesit's sadly it's very common still because partially that's how a lot of people meet is afterwards yeah that's
40:0940 minutes, 9 secondsright yeah you're a school there at work whatever yeah it happens in Hollywood I'm sure all the time director big time it's a tricky one but I don't it's like
40:1740 minutes, 17 secondsso yeah this one isn't as problematic for me it's just I guess tread lightly would be the advice as long as it's allowed in your workplace and it's
40:2440 minutes, 24 secondsconsensual then at the end of the day then just tread lightly I do feel like um that's common in a lot of workplaces
40:3240 minutes, 32 secondsit's the Declaration however and I believe in the friends situation there was actually rule against in the Ross
40:3940 minutes, 39 secondssituation I think there was a rule you cannot date a student so they were actually yeah yeah schools I would say yes
40:4740 minutes, 47 secondssure you probably can I would say maybe in hospitals doctors and nurses I don't know I don't know how it works I watched the ER and there was a lot of hooking up in that show so maybe not yeah all right
40:5440 minutes, 54 secondsthe next one is mocking just generally speaking mocking femininity right which I think is common in the 90s era sitcom
41:0341 minutes, 3 secondsit's a Trope about traditional there's this traditional gender roles and that men with feminine traits particularly in
41:1141 minutes, 11 secondsthis case Chandler is the butt of of this a lot right like just generally Chandler being more sensitive Chandler's
41:1941 minutes, 19 secondsmiddle name is Muriel which is made fun of him wanting to watch on Thanksgiving the Macy's day parade and not watching
41:2841 minutes, 28 secondsfootball but he he doesn't feel comfortable saying that with the guys there he can only say it if the girls are there and then later in the show
41:3541 minutes, 35 secondswhen there's a tangent I kind of want to go off about all the guests the amazing guest appearances like the all the
41:4241 minutes, 42 secondspeople but Giovanni Ribisi who I love he's so great he plays Phoebe's he marries that older woman Deborah erupt
41:5041 minutes, 50 secondsfrom That 70s Show that's right yeah so they get married and can't have kids so Phoebe has triplets for them and they
41:5741 minutes, 57 secondshad given they'd given them names they let Phoebe name one of the babies Phoebe names the baby Chandler and Chandler's a
42:0442 minutes, 4 secondsboy like when they eat sonogram or whatever and then when the baby's born there's a famous scene of Giovanni Ribisi coming out saying Chandler's a
42:1442 minutes, 14 secondsgirl Chandler's a girl and Chandler is like oh God like this like uh flashbacks to his like boys school days of being
42:2242 minutes, 22 secondsmade fun of for being a so to speak so I think there's we've gotten better at appreciating the sensitivity
42:2942 minutes, 29 secondsof men and like we're we're blending gender roles more fluidly nowadays and back in the 90s not not so much the
42:3742 minutes, 37 secondsother stuff was that Joey starred in a lipstick commercial oh yes and then Ross had that high-pitched scream
42:4542 minutes, 45 secondsoh that's right oh I yeah there was Japanese lipstick commercial that's right I I'm like oh I forgot that
42:5342 minutes, 53 secondsthere was some more and then Ross there was a scene where they watch home videos of him dressing up in his mom's clothes that's right
43:0243 minutes, 2 secondslike and he had played a character named B that's right beginning this episode was Frasier and
43:1043 minutes, 10 secondsnow Frasier they tackled this and but that was the thing is that was their whole thing was the the two men were
43:1843 minutes, 18 secondscompletely straight it was every now that it came up like I think it might have happened once or twice the whole series we're like oh you're you're not gay type jokes because they're very the
43:2743 minutes, 27 secondsway they talk and they enunciate their words they have their little wine their chardonnays and their dinners that's what makes it so hilarious is how dainty
43:3543 minutes, 35 secondsthey are and how proper Prim the way they are like what they act sakami like are you guys straight but
43:4443 minutes, 44 secondsthat's what we love about but they get away with it I don't think it ages poorly I don't know how to explain because I've watched Fraser a few times as well in the friends they just go out
43:5343 minutes, 53 secondsand make fun of it like but the idea of the brothers and Frasier is the dad that's kind of the joke it has like I think it was a couple times ago I
44:0144 minutes, 1 secondthought I had two sons not two daughters type dialogue will kind of come up but yeah so I don't know how it feels different with Fraser but some of the good I think maybe it's the acting or
44:1044 minutes, 10 secondsthe writing they seem to kind of get away with that Trump a little bit that the men the two sons that the cop father had aren't aren't manly but the father
44:1944 minutes, 19 secondsis the father is this man the cop which you could also that's just a time his time and age right think about how old he was back then and basically men were
44:2644 minutes, 26 secondsmen but then Fraser explored that idea that you can still be a man and be straight but enjoy Opera and future
44:3444 minutes, 34 secondsFiner Things so that was uh so they did it they made fun of it per se but at the same time they showed that these are man
44:4144 minutes, 41 secondsthey're definitely men who love a woman but they like those Finer Things in life because they talk about outfits and oh that dress looks great on you the way
44:4944 minutes, 49 secondsthey acted at dinner parties and stuff anyway I should talk about friends you know that's funny that you say that because um I can recall and people might not be
44:5844 minutes, 58 secondsable to put their finger on it so to speak but there are people probably I don't want to stereotype but maybe an
45:0545 minutes, 5 secondsolder generation Martin's age perhaps that didn't enjoy the show because of that oh maybe I wouldn't be
45:1345 minutes, 13 secondssurprised I wouldn't be surprised you know so Frasier was probably maybe ahead of its time yeah yeah maybe yeah
45:2045 minutes, 20 secondsuh standby for the reboots coming out I reboot but is it really another season another mini season yeah are they all coming back so it's gonna be another
45:2845 minutes, 28 secondslike you know how Frazier was in Boston then he went to Seattle now he's going somewhere else again so it's gonna be a new cast of characters around him yeah oh I don't really like that well I
45:3845 minutes, 38 secondswasn't a huge huge fan I really was a huge fan of Frasier but I will say this they got away with it from cheers to Fraser they might be able to do that if
45:4545 minutes, 45 secondsthey get some smart writing yeah grammar is great like I don't think this would be a 22 Episodes it might be eight ten type thing I can see that the things I
45:5245 minutes, 52 secondsliked about Frasier weren't Frasier sure it was the the other cast I really liked but yeah we'll see we'll see uh interesting I'll Trust Kelsey he's a
46:0146 minutes, 1 secondpretty smart guy okay so we'll see KO was it my turn sorry um gosh we're down yes so we're down to number two all right so here's one uh
46:0946 minutes, 9 secondsthe friends men think they can control women the evidence of this was the male characters and Friends tend to be possessive of the ladies even when they
46:1846 minutes, 18 secondsaren't their significant others for instance Ross is upset about the idea of his sister Monica dating Chandler at the time as if he has a say in her personal
46:2646 minutes, 26 secondslife Joey indulge in the same behavior with his sisters which I guess is that old school Italian brother I think that's what that was you
46:3346 minutes, 33 secondsknow yeah sisters will only date thing you know that's very common for the well I would imagine well you don't have sisters and I don't have a brother I have a daughter and I admit I don't know
46:4246 minutes, 42 secondswhat it is I'm more worried about my daughter dating them well you feel more protective so I yeah yeah I don't know what that means does that make me what
46:5046 minutes, 50 secondsdoes that make me when people say things like that the way that I counter it I don't have children and I don't have brothers so I I'm like what would that
46:5846 minutes, 58 secondsthat would be weird but I think it's really important you know considering that we talked about consent a little bit ago is that there was a
47:0647 minutes, 6 secondslong period of time where people didn't feel like they had to worry about their sons because women were always the victims of a man's whatever so I feel
47:1647 minutes, 16 secondslike when someone says something like that it's like I I get the knee-jerk reaction but it's just as important to
47:2447 minutes, 24 secondsteach your sons just people in general of course to be respectful like how important consent is
47:3247 minutes, 32 secondsand women women aren't there for your pleasure for your whatever like you need to Value them and blah blah blah it's becoming more common for parents to have
47:4147 minutes, 41 secondsthose conversations with their sons don't feel like you have to do anything you you're that's right you know that's right don't feel pressure I know how guys think because I am one
47:4947 minutes, 49 secondssince the dawn of time women have been the prey right we've put all of the onus on a woman to protect herself to be from
47:5847 minutes, 58 secondsthe predator and it's like hey how about we just tell guys not to be shitty and we're getting better at that so this is somewhere we are doing better at I think
48:0648 minutes, 6 secondseducation in this area I'm totally for absolutely all right so I know the characters are coming from a place of caring or protectiveness but they have
48:1448 minutes, 14 secondsto allow the woman to be I think I can handle my own relationships yeah so fair all right last one okay so there's not
48:2248 minutes, 22 secondsany diversity in friends there's barely any diversity on the show so all six main characters are white right despite
48:3048 minutes, 30 secondsthem being in New York City which is famous for being an extremely diverse City now there are a few love interests
48:3948 minutes, 39 secondsthat are the people of girlfriend right didn't we have a well there was a couple there was um Aisha Tyler yes she and and
48:4748 minutes, 47 secondsGabrielle Union were both brief love interests for I think both Ross and Joey however I will say that The Gellers are
48:5548 minutes, 55 secondsJewish at least from A diversity perspective they are all even from the same area so again New
49:0149 minutes, 1 secondYork is kind of a transplant City and these people are all from Long
49:0949 minutes, 9 secondsIsland or as Joey from the Bronx and you know who knows about Phoebe but so they're all even from like the same
49:1549 minutes, 15 secondsgeographical area which is not really that uncommon given how they all know each other the fact that they're all white and they're all from like that
49:2349 minutes, 23 secondsthat's the storyline is we have a brother and a sister we have people from the same neighborhood Chandler and Ross
49:3149 minutes, 31 secondsgoing to school together so that all kind of makes sense but there were opportunities from a co-worker perspective tertiary perspective
49:3849 minutes, 38 secondstertiary character perspective they could have been more diverse yes this
49:4549 minutes, 45 secondsdoesn't age well however it's not a workplace comedy if it were a workplace comedy and they were all white I'd be like no way Jose
49:5349 minutes, 53 secondsbut these you know if they're all sort of from Long Island and then you throw in Phoebe and and Joey I don't know at least there's a religious diversity so
50:0150 minutes, 1 secondthere's that I don't appreciate tokenism so nowadays if they were to make the show I feel like
50:0850 minutes, 8 secondsto me it seems I know like contrite I'm not sure what the right word is when they just throw in oh there's your person of color yeah
50:1750 minutes, 17 secondsit's tough this is the problem because now I feel like I just want whoever's the funniest or if it's a sitcom be
50:2450 minutes, 24 secondsfunny like I watch Canada live guess who I thought was funny Chris Rock Eddie Murphy they're funny I didn't think they're funny because they're black I
50:3150 minutes, 31 secondswould assume they were cast because they were funny so now it's a whole different conversation so that's what I'm getting at so I what I want is whatever the
50:3950 minutes, 39 secondsscenario whatever the whether you're my doctor lawyer or an actor or singer whatever just be the best at it my hope is I know it's not realistic but my hope
50:4850 minutes, 48 secondsis the best get hired because I've seen some bad black actors but then I've seen some great ones I've seen some bad white many bad white actors but it's getting
50:5650 minutes, 56 secondsto the point now where it's like I don't know if a movie is good or bad from critics because I don't know if they're if
51:0451 minutes, 4 secondsthey're afraid to say if you get a film that's black Centric here's one black panther I have made it I was gonna say I I we terribly agree on
51:1251 minutes, 12 secondsthat I'm sorry it's boring absolutely boring I couldn't even finish it it's a Marvel film I was
51:1951 minutes, 19 secondslike holy crap this is bad I thought the main actor afraid of his name story who played Black Panther who passed away Chadwick Boseman I thought he was great
51:2751 minutes, 27 secondsso he was great in a bad film but I still couldn't finish it it had nothing to do with whatever but I'm sorry but that's the thing so but then some of my
51:3551 minutes, 35 secondsfavorite actors are blacks I I don't want to I don't know to defend myself I hate that but that's what no I say that I don't like black panther oh well then
51:4251 minutes, 42 secondsno I just didn't like it I know that's that's the it is we we are in a really touchy period because so I do okay I
51:5151 minutes, 51 secondsdon't think so highly related yeah yeah like really I know come on it was better than end game and so give me a break I
51:5951 minutes, 59 secondsthink it makes sense that just based on their backstory that they're all white I do think what they could have done it doesn't make sense
52:0852 minutes, 8 secondsbecause they're in New York city so Denver's pretty white um so if you did a show in Denver
52:1652 minutes, 16 secondsum and you went to a a random cafe there'd still be people of color but but not as many as the random cafe in I
52:2452 minutes, 24 secondsthink I don't know if they were in the East Village I can't remember where they are but it does seem there should have been more of the co-workers more of the
52:3252 minutes, 32 secondswhoever just that they encounter be you know of a diverse background example of where it didn't feel forced King of
52:4052 minutes, 40 secondsQueens one of my favorite comedies of all time love King of Queens Doug's best friend's black and it never felt forced
52:4752 minutes, 47 secondsand they never they were but they did do some like black humor jokes like the idea the idea of race came up but here's a show that started in the late 90s
52:5552 minutes, 55 secondsearly 2000s and that was a great example of they got the best actor for that character their chemistry was awesome
53:0353 minutes, 3 secondsand it never felt forced I was like oh of course Doug has a black friend no no they right I feel like a natural friendship so great yeah so that's what
53:1253 minutes, 12 secondsI like when you do have shows that are able to have that I've diversity and it works and it doesn't feel like oh we have to do this so I think he increases
53:2153 minutes, 21 secondsI don't like it when it feels forced and there's plenty of from a from a perspective of this not aging well I think there are still a ton of shows and
53:3053 minutes, 30 secondsI think that's the complaint is that there's not as the the representation like you said of a hundred people in any given City or
53:3953 minutes, 39 secondswhatever so a couple of examples another one that I Big Bang Theory huge show right except for the one tote like the of course the
53:4753 minutes, 47 secondsIndian you know whatever they're all like science nerds right right so it's similar and they're in La which is a
53:5553 minutes, 55 secondsdiverse City so and that's a current show a show that I thought did a phenomenal job of this
54:0454 minutes, 4 secondsis the wire oh I love that show in Baltimore which is one of the few cities that has been
54:1254 minutes, 12 secondsblack yeah in America and it represented that it was represented accordingly yeah I thought they yeah yeah the address
54:2054 minutes, 20 secondsthat in the in the show too the way like in yeah yeah that's a great example of the reality of that geographical location is is what it is so it was
54:2754 minutes, 27 secondsrepresented accordingly yeah okay wow I don't know if we're going to be canceled or praised with this episode I have no idea
54:3754 minutes, 37 secondsmy own background you know and I only have my own background to go on my own upbringing and I'm learning and I'm trying to get better too in my own life and I met when I watched this series for
54:4654 minutes, 46 secondsthe twice in a row I never none of these things occur to me so I'm glad that we have a conversation about things I want
54:5354 minutes, 53 secondsthe world to be better I want us to none of these things I want more of I'm not reading this saying I wish they had more
55:0055 minutesnon-divers I don't want more I want things to be fair equal but also I want the best at whatever it is the best
55:0955 minutes, 9 secondswriters the best actors about whatever it is whatever the pool of people is the friends writers and the the people behind the show they are top-notch High
55:1755 minutes, 17 secondsCaliber you know they've worked on lots of other things yes there's time writing yeah like I would I would have a hard time hey Ryan go write a Chinese story I
55:2655 minutes, 26 secondsI don't know their culture well I think the argument would be why don't you hire you know add add a per you know but that
55:3555 minutes, 35 secondsthat's that wasn't the goal of the show it's like some sometimes there are shows where the goal is different than this and it was the 90s and there were some
55:4455 minutes, 44 secondsmissed opportunities but overall I don't it is super right but and these are just 10 things over 10 seasons so that's two octopus episodes it's not bad they
55:5255 minutes, 52 secondsweren't perfect in predicting 2022 or 2023s Rose Colored Glasses and it's still an
56:0156 minutes, 1 secondenjoyable show I think I'm gonna have to give it another re-watch and every sitcom has things that don't age like again Buffy I'll bring Buffy again there's things that age terribly in that
56:0956 minutes, 9 secondsI'm just watching the first season right now there's a lot of cringe like you wouldn't say that today we're only talking about cultural aging really but
56:1856 minutes, 18 secondswhat I notice more again I know the only way I'm unconventional not unconventional I the only minority group
56:2656 minutes, 26 secondsI'm in is that I'm a woman right um but I still kind of hit the jackpot as well from a being born with a lot of privilege so I'm looking I have that
56:3456 minutes, 34 secondslens but what I notice when I watch old shows like this is like more of the technology there's a lot of
56:4256 minutes, 42 secondsum comedy scenes about you know calling and missing someone or call like somebody has to take a message so things
56:4956 minutes, 49 secondslike that I notice more so yeah I do all the time things will be solved with the simple text yeah yeah all right wow this is a
56:5656 minutes, 56 secondssuper size episode this is like a I mean friends is Big friends is like there's no podcast dedicated to the series and we're doing one episode so yeah all
57:0557 minutes, 5 secondsright here we go really quickly Susan and Carol are the punch line of friends jokes there are too many jokes about friends characters physical appearances
57:1257 minutes, 12 secondsRoss is a nice guy Ross is misunderstanding if consent led him to kissing his own sister the folks there the consent issue friends makes fun of
57:2057 minutes, 20 secondshis Channel's drag queen dad Phoebe's life is full of dark details that are never resolved friends has several problematic power Dynamic relationships
57:2857 minutes, 28 secondsfriends mocked femininity and Friends men think they can control a woman and Lassie there is barely any diversity on
57:3757 minutes, 37 secondsthe show Friends okay so you are my guest which one do you think is the worst offender which one do you think is age the worst slash boy if you could go
57:4557 minutes, 45 secondsback in time you would rewrite or change that one thing there you go what would you change oh the one that I chose is maybe what's
57:5357 minutes, 53 secondsaged poorly given what is very prevalent in the Zeitgeist right now
58:0058 minutesand it's sort of two two of them are kind of the same okay so essentially making light or making fun of sexual
58:0958 minutes, 9 secondsorientation given that there's such a big Spotlight on those issues right now okay so that's
58:1858 minutes, 18 secondsfriends make fun of Chandler's drag queen dad is that the one that kind of combined with this first one the Susan like basically just making fun of
58:2758 minutes, 27 secondshomosexuality sexuality yeah right now and I admit I'm learning but I've had conversations with somebody I
58:3458 minutes, 34 secondswas talking to somebody at work and they're dating uh somebody who identifies as them they so he's telling
58:4158 minutes, 41 secondsme the story like he's you know he's a guy he's like a guy like me I I know what you mean stupid words might happen but but you don't want someone to be
58:5058 minutes, 50 secondslike oh that's why it's touchy yeah but the point is is uh they were mentioning oh yeah and then they XYZ and then they
58:5758 minutes, 57 secondsand I was listening to him like how many people were you on a date with like I actually got confused in the conversation because they kept referring to they and them I was like oh you
59:0559 minutes, 5 secondstravel one person to their credit they didn't change any of their dialogue to me but I was like I got lost in this so I'm still learning I've still learning
59:1359 minutes, 13 secondsto hear the conversations I think every most people I mean yeah us old people like yeah I mean that that would trip someone up too and sometimes you know
59:2159 minutes, 21 secondsit's just like the context clues even the podcast that you were talking about with Buffy I'm pretty sure the one is one of them is engaged
59:2959 minutes, 29 secondsto a he him that he was born female oh really pretty sure yeah okay
59:3759 minutes, 37 secondsshow yet so but a good day well they don't explicitly they just talk about that she's gay now okay they don't
59:4559 minutes, 45 secondsexplicitly like talk about it but you pick it up but she's engaged so the joke's about something so that's mine
59:5259 minutes, 52 secondswhat's yours well I will for the because I'll just say the consent issue it was an innocuous thing I might say oh it's just a kiss that's not what I mean by
59:5959 minutes, 59 secondsthat but I mean it wasn't like full on like it was there's level there are levels of assault just like there's levels of physical Salters levels of
1:00:061 hour, 6 secondssexual assault so I would say yes an unconsent kiss and all things that are not consensual is a big red flag and a
1:00:131 hour, 13 secondsbig No-No educate your children folks educate yourself obviously no means no yes means yes and make sure they're
1:00:201 hour, 20 secondssober you got to make sure they're if they can't drive a car I don't think you can give consent maybe that I don't know what the rule is I've been married too long I don't know what the rules are
1:00:281 hour, 28 secondsdating are but I have never kissed a girl that was not sober that's my rule because consent and consensual and that
1:00:361 hour, 36 secondsone yeah that is a better one I think for yeah you're right I think you're right I think there's no right or wrong answer but I think it's just that
1:00:441 hour, 44 secondstoday's narrative fits yours for sure and then generally speaking yes any any laughing at like ah he kissed his sister
1:00:521 hour, 52 secondsbut the joke shouldn't have been that the joke should have been I can't believe he's trying to kiss Rachel who's sleeping like touching somebody when they're not there is wrong like you're
1:01:001 hour, 1 minutenot touching anybody I'm not aware of you touching me that is a big No-No so that's a big No-No that could be a triggered even for people to listen to this episode so yeah we gotta be careful
1:01:081 hour, 1 minute, 8 secondsso yeah don't don't touch if you're not given consent agreed all right well thank you so much
1:01:151 hour, 1 minute, 15 secondseveryone for today's episode Katie thank you so much for this big one and again yeah I know we'll be like okay everybody like
1:01:241 hour, 1 minute, 24 secondsgo easy on us yeah go easy yeah we're stupid we don't know anything and we don't know but friends is a fun show go watch it everyone if you haven't already
1:01:311 hour, 1 minute, 31 secondsso good it really is it is a good show it's fun and thank you so much remember in front of every Silver Lining there's
1:01:381 hour, 1 minute, 38 secondsa cloud and today it was making fun of your sexual orientation or those who are different than you and non-consensua