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We created Juicy Bits because we wanted to continue the conversations that we start out on the trail and on the chair lift. Hosted by our CEO Jen Gurecki and Ambassador Jillian Raymond, they talk candidly about everything from dude soup, to sex, to politics, to equity in the outdoors. We occasionally (read: frequently) drop F-bombs, interview some of the most interesting people in the outdoors and beyond, and say things that many of us think but don’t feel comfortable saying out loud. If you are easily offended or looking for something that is G Rated, this is not the podcast for you. But if you love truth-telling and irreverence, get ready to laugh, cry, and maybe pee your pants a little bit.
Hello and welcome. I'm Jillian Raymond, the co-creator of Juicy Bits and a Coalition Snow Ambassador.
And I'm Jen Gurecki, your co-host and the CEO of Coalition Snow.
For those of you who are new, get ready to laugh, cry, and maybe pee or pants a little.
Juicy Bits is about taking the conversations that we start on the chairlift and at the trailhead, and bringing them to you to explore alternative narratives that challenge the status quo, about what it means to be a modern woman in the outdoors.
Grab your helmet because sometimes it's a bumpy ride. FYI friends, this podcast is from a true audience, so you've been warned. Let's get to work and juice the patriarchy.
All right, so I'm just hitting record because per the usual with Juicy Bits episode, before we start, I'd like to just say hi, whether it's Jillian or a special guest like we have today, and then you start talking and you realize, oh fuck, we should be recording this. So before we go too far, I hit record and now Kirin and I are going to record. And no one knows where this comes from.
It's because Jen and I are real friends and there was already Juicy Bits that were happening offline before we hit record. And so we both decided it was time to start recording and sharing the Juicy Bits that already had been going down.
It's true. It's true and who knows what we'll get to today on the podcast. Although I would like to just give a little brief introduction to who you are because some people may recognize your voice, but maybe not all people because they don't obsessively listen to you on Spotify like I do. So today we have Kirin Gandhi joining us.
You may know her as Madame Gandhi. You may know her as the person who played drums for our MIA.
You may know her as the person who free-bled during London marathon.
I probably don't know is that to this long list of accolades, you can also say that she shreds pow now and that was a big moment for us this winter when Kirin, and this is one reason why I wanted to record the podcast because this is so fun for me. Kirin and I shared a room on our Coalition Snow Far Out Japan trip and I don't know if it was like one night or one morning, but you legitimately know that I don't get it. I'm going to breakfast at 7am. I'm going to be on the lift. We are on the powder program and Kirin is like, I don't really get it. I was like, okay friend, that's fine. You don't need to get it. But then you got it.
Yeah, it's true. It was like life before powder and then life after powder and I'm officially a changed woman.
So here was what I didn't get. I'm like in my brain, I'm like to snowboard, there's snow.
So by default, what's the difference between snow and powder? What's the, like, why are we obsessed with Niseko as opposed to the other places that to have snow and snowboarding? And after we did the backcountry and you taught me the beacon shovel probe avalanche life. And just having to navigate trees and really like develop your skills intuitively in three feet of snow while it's still snowing.
It's like a radically life-changing experience. It's so fun.
I run six marathons now in my life. I'm hoping for a few more ones I heal my ankle, but you know, I felt my body fell after two days of snowboarding powder.
I felt like I had run marathons. It's such a workout on the body.
It really is.
Yeah, I feel like I feel like I'm never going to forget that moment if you just being like, I don't get it.
I got it and that that was that we had that because it's a little backstory on how we met because this is so we actually started chatting with each other on Instagram.
And then we met in real life on a ski trip to mammoth.
So I just had this feeling about my birthday.
I'm I worth the taste.
Yeah, I was like, this person seems really amazing and a person who I want in my life.
So I invited Kirin to come down to mammoth. Jillian and I invited her to come down.
She flew into Reno, picked her up at the airport. We drove down to we've never met before.
Drove down to mammoth.
We drove four hours. That's true.
Four hours together.
We're glad we're going to be good. We just felt it.
We did. And then we and then we had so much fun snowboarding at mammoth.
And then we came back and we've been friends ever ever since.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. So, okay.
I love I love for me. It was like we had met through the R.E.I. connection of you know,
speaking potentially on a panel about the, you know, women's health in sports.
And I really respect and love what you're doing.
Like even when I first snowboard it was starting to snowboard.
I was wondering like where are the women and queer and non binary like.
And people like people of color snowboarders like where is the community around this?
Because it is such a white, broy, like alpha male sport.
And I like tapping into my white, bro alpha male side.
And I'm like where is the community?
So when I learned about Coalition and what you were doing and the programming and bringing people together
and your athleticism and your commitment to the craft is so inspiring.
And you've built a whole world.
Jen, I respect it. You built a whole ecosystem between the clothing, the trips, the health, the podcast,
the information, the blogs, the photos, the nude snowboarding, which you know I'm a huge fan of that life.
Like I haven't done that yet with you, but that's like definitely in the future.
We got to get folks together.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
So okay.
There's so many things that I want to talk to you about.
Well, I, there's things that I want our listeners to hear you talk about.
One of the things that I was thinking about from our trip in Japan was remember that night that
Andrea Soslarski gave us the lesson on flow state.
Yes, yes, that was in creativity.
It was really powerful because she's a, she's a child like a kids teacher, right?
So she was teaching us that as grownups.
Yeah, exactly. So she's, she's a professor of art and then also is a professional artist.
And, um, who, who many of you might know from Instagram is drawing, drawing from nature,
um, provided this workshop, this lesson around creativity and, and flow state.
And it was, um, it was just wonderful.
And I was curious for you, Karen, if you like, are there any connections between like the flow that you get into as a musician and the flow that you get into as a snowboarder or a router?
How does flow exist in your life and in your creative endeavors?
So, one such a good question. It's, I think it's that feeling that we are all actively striving and seeking.
And I think that was the reason why I was drawn to snowboarding and the reason why we try to get better at any skill set technically so that we can arrive at flow state by just being good at what we do.
As a drummer, I used to study all the paradidels, all of the different licks and combinations, all of the technique so that when I'm just playing freely, I have these tools in my arsenal to express myself and arrive at that flow state.
So it's exactly that. And my happiest moments are in flow state when I'm not looking at the clock when I'm not thinking about anything else that I'm fully immersed in present.
It's love energy. It's your goddess, God energy. It's your creativity.
So, because I'm so aware of that feeling, I do feel I'm actively seeking it and snowboarding with such an exciting way for me to get back into that feeling and re-energize it in my creativity.
I think the answer to your question for me lies in I actively use sports to remind myself of that feeling and then bring it into my music and then because I've experienced it as a musician as a producer as a drummer.
I know how to tap into that feeling in my sports.
Some of the lessons that I've learned are patience, you know, the first five, ten minutes, sometimes we get greedy with flow state, we're like, oh, like, I'm not focused.
I've lost it, you know, but you have to be willing to play the long game. You know, for me, my long runs, like my big dreams and goals start to form once I've passed the third and fourth and fifth mile marker.
Like that's only what's almost like you have to earn it like you feel like unlock flow state by like being fit enough or talented enough or technical enough to even arrive there.
And in a way, that's the motivation. So the first thing is patience. And then the second is surrender. A lot of us have the judgment voice. Man, like, you look awkward when you're snowboarding. I definitely had my period like my phases with that falling so much.
You have to have this kind of ability to turn the knob down on the negative voices on the judgmental voices and say, no, but I understand I'm on the journey to something greater.
And then I think the third thing is just continuing to be in service of the craft. Keep coming back, humbly like snowboarding. It humbles you. You think you're shredding and then boom, you're already on your booty. Like within one second, you're the goddess and then the next minute you're humbled.
I think that's a joy.
Yeah, it really is. I mean, there's there's a little saying of like if if you're not falling, you're not trying hard enough.
I think as someone who's 45, I'm like, OK, you go ahead and fall on your 20 year old bones and come back to like I will attempt to fall less, but there is doing like doing something well doesn't necessarily mean doing it perfectly.
And then you have to be that room or failure or not even you know and failure on a spectrum, right? Like just that simple falling over to maybe something bigger means that you're actually out there doing it.
Like if it's if it's perfect, then are you actually working at it pushing.
Yeah, I love this. Do you think you've arrived at your 10,000 hours with your snowboarding?
I mean, I would have to do some math, but one would think, right? So if I've been doing this almost 30 years, you would.
Oh, yeah, you don't we have to arrive at your 10,000.
I'm right.
The funny thing is that like I'm I'm an average snowboarder. I'm not I'm not exceptional. I'm pretty average.
I certainly love it and enjoy it. And I think that that like that sort of confidence comes across in it.
But you know, hitting that 10,000 hours or doing it for 30 years, like I started at a time before snowboarding was about doing jumps and there was no park and everything was roped off and then also just like.
How I am is like I don't want to get hurt and also my brain and body don't always talk to each other well.
Like I might know how to do something and then like I'm not actually super athletic in it and but I'm not like I'm not an app like I'm really good at type to fun.
I'm really good at getting out there.
Like I'm not this like technically skilled person like so when I say I'm not an athlete. That's what what I mean. I'm not technically proficient.
I just do things and I really don't care.
But I know you also I'm like on your nine day biking tour across Kenya and like you be either putting in your hours.
You very fit. I mean it's inspiring.
All of us should my I feel like yeah the inspiration is or also to all remember to tap into that personal power that our bodies have it because you're right if we have this narrative like well I'm not an athlete so why should I even bother then it prevents us from getting after it so your perspective is refreshing.
Thanks. Yeah and it's not yeah it's just it's not about you don't have to want to be an expert at something I think to do it.
There's I think there might we might have certain things in our lives where we want to get to that point but being in the outdoors you you shouldn't have to feel like you have to be tech like have this high level of technical expertise with like you should just
be able to get out there with and not it's shame that there is so much focus on how you look and how you speak and how you know how you show up versus if you're having fun and you know with that.
Yes, like that should be good enough right now I love that and actually for me I I actually really enjoy the super steep runs that may or may not have the moguls because I don't look pretty getting down.
It's not like I'm out here carving and shredding but it's like that's where I learn because the stakes are higher so that's where I learn how to turn properly that's where I learn how to manage my body or fall responsibly like even from acro yoga and generally doing gymnastics as a kid like you learn how to fall in a way that doesn't destroy your body and you have to surrender like if you try to fight the fall it'll possibly lead to injury more than just allowing the kind of softness of the body to to give and to catch itself.
And it's bravery so sometimes I'm like those runs the steeper ones are under the chairlift you feel like you have an audience and as a musician like on one end that fuels me because I'm like oh let's go like I have an audience you know
as a musician you also only want to be on the stage when the show is ready to be shown so they're also a part where I'm like this isn't for public consumption yet I'm still learning how to turn I'm still learning how to get down to the heavier the steeper one but I like the bravery of it I like the fact that staying alive keeps you present staying safe and not getting injured keeps you present.
Yeah, yeah, I love this. This isn't ready for public consumption yet. I'm just over here no one needs to see this see this really I'm workshopping this privately but you know it's also important there's an event that like the wiser self comes out like the meditation Kirin comes out meditated Kirin and she's like no like show like model bravery like model messiness and like model the fight like model going down the slope.
You know making it happen rather than not attempting it at all like that's what people need to see if you look amazing going down the slope then everyone's like like I don't look like that so there's no way I'm going down that.
Yeah, how do you how do you are like what is like what are the routine or the little things that you do to have that bravery before you go on stage because you I mean you've you've just put out a new album you you've been performing all over the world.
And you you put yourself out there how how do you mentally prepare for something like that.
You know I've seen the detrimental effects of hearing other people's judgmental voices and what that does is it prevents you from going on the stage altogether it would prevent you from getting on the snowboard altogether it would prevent you from running a marathon like it's these are this is we only get one life I want to live fully I want to live to the max and I know it's messy and so
the biggest lesson that I've learned is that fear voice that everyone has it really is so debilitating and it's the opposite of freedom and I'm really interested in freedom and freedom looks messy freedom looks playful freedom looks kind to the south.
And on the other side of that bravery is we're all the good good lies all of the improvement so I've had terrible public speaking like back in the day before I let go of alcohol I remember like I wanted to my first Ted talk I like went straight to the bar I'm like had like chug like three beers because I just wanted to completely forget about the vulnerable embarrassing experience that was that 10x
this day and I was only 23 when I gave it to this day people mentioned atomic living that for Quintet X that I talk you know to this day people are like I loved what you did that day and it's so we never know.
But you get better only by doing is is the point and so I don't mind looking messy I don't mind having bad shows because these are on the way to the good good.
And it's all it's there's not one thing that is the thing like everything is part of a super journey and I think so like sometimes we get in our heads of this is the thing that I'm doing well maybe if you're going to die tomorrow that might be the ultimate last thing that you're doing.
Ideally we get to stick around longer and one it's just another part of all the amazing things that we get to do and so it's almost like we we shouldn't put that much pressure on any one particular event or experience because we don't we don't actually know what's what comes next.
No, and I think one thing that I learned from you Jen that you're very good at is is is amplifying the sense of play like I'm always like Jen I really respect your discipline about how you go to the mountain you're like i'm having fun like.
Like I'm like like I'm just like.
I'm so important so I'm.
That's.
Yeah, I'm.
I'm literally fucking off multiple times a week to snowboard yeah it's so it's so I think even for me that's very healthy from you remember I'll share something with you that I think you'd find interesting I was doing a deep
October meditation and he talked about a scientist from UCLA who had broken down the human day into seven chunks and if you can optimize for these seven experiences in each day it adds to sort of happiness let's say.
So the first one is sleep of course and the second one is time in whether it means journaling meditation just a moment to go inward the third was time out so whether that's your nourishment your shower you're just a moment of pause in the day whether eating something just stillness plus three four was focused so that's our work you know whether it's being on laptop or just focus the dedicated to something that we care about we're advancing
ourselves five was play which I love so for people who have kids that's a great time to just you know be in the castle or be in the imagination maybe it's a chore yoga anything that's just play joyful fun.
The sixth thing that let's think what the other two where there is seven that I really respected movement movement of any kind sports walking movement and then the last one was intimate connection whether it's calling up a family member being with friends.
Tapping in you know having emotional intimacy of some sort with someone who matters to you and so these seven buckets I was like wow you know how profound what a nice way to kind of reflect on each day in these small micro choices i thought it was really nice because a lot of times we're geared towards focus on just work and you know getting after and grinding and this kind of thing but.
Balance is is really where life feels multi-dimensional.
Yeah and that I mean the movement and the play I think like a lot of times for those of us who are pretty dedicated to something in the outdoors or dedicated to a particular sport we forget that it should still be fun and at that moment and there's always can be moments when it's not fun right like either you're going to have a heart.
Freezing or you have like a gear failure or you're in an awful little lock you have to sit on the chair lift for somebody you're like you're still lucky i'm not going to push you off right now all the things that might happen right but.
If you're not like if you're not having fun then you really have to think about why you're why you're doing it because like that movement and that being in your body should always include some sort of of joy.
I mean is that the podcast we did it we're done.
Yeah the key takeaways are bravery play and freedom yes those those are the things okay i want to talk about your music.
Because you've been working you've been working really hard yeah you heard the demo of crystals and conga's like a year before it came out yes so there's there's that and then there's also a lot of the experimental stuff that you've been doing with.
Recording and so I think a project house in nature so I just want you to talk like what I just want you to talk about whatever feels good to you right right now but all all the things that you've been working on are really with with your music is.
Really fun thank you hell yeah thank you I.
The vibrations was the third album that I put out it came out in December it's five songs and I think you know one of the most exciting parts for me interestingly is that we mix it and do be at most and spotify doesn't actually have.
The 360 spatial audio option but if you listen on apple music or couple the other platforms and have air pods or headphones you actually can experience the music in this multi-dimensional 360 listening experience is a lot more immersive.
And as someone who has a lot of layers in my music sacks synthesizes bass percussion vocals drum set like it really lent that that multi-dimensional experience really lent itself well to my music and so we've even been meeting with planetariums and like and don't like spaces to actually perform the music I was talking my agent the other day I was like Amy.
Madam Gandhi doesn't play a normal venues anymore we only play in spherical 360 high res sound experiences so that's you know I like being an artist who likes to who enjoys using tech intelligently and I think live is a way to really design more artful experiences for the listener and more healing experiences because the vibrations are going in your chest and you're feeling good not just
just the second project that you're asking me about is in the pandemic I started going into nature and recording the sounds of you know rivers and pedals falling into the river and twigs and even the mushrooms kind of moving in the wind things like that and we ended up taking all the raw audio material and making a pack of kicks and and high hats and snare drums and even synthesizers 100% organically sourced from these.
And the pack one an award from splice which is a production company online and anyone to this day can go on and take those individual beats and make their own music out of the nature sounds.
This year the project has been building on that Antarctica sounds so right after I had met you last year in 2022 I went out to Antarctica and used underwater microphones that I had built at this Stanford program and recorded the sounds of glaciers melting.
And it's a tragic sound but it's beautiful and it's life affirming and so we've been using some of the sounds literally as they are but then also once again making you know ice drum kits and penguins synthesizers and the sounds of Antarctica to create electronic music and so imagine if the beats are good for you the lyrics are good for you.
You know I want to really deliver my audience something that is unique and technical and beautiful so that pack will be coming out in a few months.
That's exciting.
Thank you.
So is there like is there another album in the works is there.
Yes this will be the long form album and I want this album to be a lot even more focused on wellness on positive thought on high vibrational values.
There's been plenty of artists who have used their music for good and I just think I get to be on that path and contribute more knowledge in that space music that has good lyrics is always been you feel good sometimes it means really cheesy and so that's also been really important to me to be an artist who.
Still has kind of like a sharpness a swag a sex appeal you know that's a little more thoughtful than just like.
Life is is fairies and rainbows it's not really that it's like actually that life is really hard and if you want Jedi ninja status like you have to actively program your mind to be free like that's really what this project is about.
And so I was in Boston last week recording a song called Blessing some blessings I have another song with a female producer out in.
Los Angeles called Ebony Smith that song is called letting go so I would feel like the album you know it's a continuation of my sound with the electronics and drums.
And the music is even more mantra and lyric oriented.
And when's that coming up.
That's your burgo that's your producer burgo side like.
I'm making excuse me I'm making.
Okay, Karen.
When so kind.
I'm a Pisces and time doesn't exist.
The music timeline births itself I mean I think probably probably in another year it would take time to finish off the long form album.
That's the cool that's the cool.
So your Pisces what's your rising sign.
Cancer which one do you think my moon is burgo which is why I get anything done on this planet thank goodness.
Right yeah but they think thank you because there's a lot that we all are enjoying that you've been creating.
What are you okay?
So cancer Pisces what how do you think you present to the world more cancer or more Pisces.
I do think I present Pisces and burgo very strong even though the rising is supposed to be how people experience you.
I would say where my cancer is coming out more recently is being quite boundaries.
I'm being quite quick to flip the script maybe even say that's a little Gemini energy like if.
If I'm open to you open to you open to you and then I notice draining energy or like not nice energy I'm cool to just like stop responding I'm cool to leave you I'm red you know and.
It's not you know there's a little there's for certain relationships it's worth it for me to pick up the phone and be like hey this did feel good.
I've also made the mistake of giving too much energy to draining experiences and I don't even need to say that person is draining it's just that I'm observing how my energy reacts to this person's personality they may be so loved by everybody I'm just being authentic to myself.
If I'm not enjoying the interaction and I don't feel the need to further deepen the relationship I found myself a little more easily able to step back and reprioritize my energy.
And it's also because I am very emotional so when things don't feel nice it it really upsets me so it's also my my effort to keep my own vibes high healthy positive rather than feeling caught up.
Yeah that's I feel like no matter what your sign is that would be such a good thing to do is just having a conversation with the friend the other day of like you know 2022 for me was this was a year where I really.
I held space for a lot of people that none of them were in my life anymore which is okay and.
And that was great I was a lot that was a lot of energy I was I held I remember I was with you during a lot of those experiences and I respect your desire for harmony I respect your desire for one to have a be better and you're so right those who love you and adore you they will step up and want to get it right with you.
And those who are continued to drain you good that you let them go you have to let them go yeah what my what my friends said that I really liked was that thinking about the concept of holding space like maybe you don't hold space so close right so how.
Oh hold space further away right so it's not that you're necessarily going to completely write someone off or get into an argument with them right you know it doesn't necessarily have to be negative but if you take people and you hold them further away and then consider what you hold closer so create like.
And then to your point having boundaries with things right so like what making sure that's what's right in front of you it's what's like nourishing you and energizing you and helping you grow as a person and then those people who you maybe don't want to give up on or turn your back on there the space you hold for them is is further out because they can't be like that.
I really love that I am learning that from you right now that's very clever and something that you read like that resonated within me when you were speaking was also a.
Um.
I was so good I was like this is I'm learning this from you allowing people to come back and.
Oh just that our human attention really can only be on so many things at the same time and so we actually have to be so precise with where we are directing our attention and as a musician who wants to make music that is good for people even when I think of my social media I don't want to put any crap into the world I really think there's so much junk there's junk food junk television junk purchases junk music.
Junk Instagram everything and there's a lot of nourishing food nourishing interactions nourishing things that we can buy that have value of meaning to us absolutely and we have to be ninja smart and discerning and that's the same with our friendships because if we are putting so much of our precious human attention on things that are stressful anxiety inducing either we have to learn how to manage those relationships better and develop those emotionally.
Intelligence skillsets or we have to be brave to say this is a hard no yeah yeah I've been trying to work on that to the.
The staying focus I've been trying to work on that professionally you know I like shiny things like when something is exciting I'm like I want to do that you think about what we were trying to.
Oh just I think like whenever there's something really exciting or different or like game like something that feels like game changing and like or that might like really contribute to making the world like a more interesting better place I'm like I want to do it so I have a million irons in the fire right so it's like I've got.
Coalition selling skis and boards we've got our far out trips we have the retail shop called far out we have operated late we have I have this podcast I have the newsletter I'm working on a book I wow how would you.
I like all these things and what I've been trying to work on is to not keep creating new things but look at like what am I already doing that is working and how do I put more into making that thing.
Love love love and there's like things that I've been raining in and there's like some things that we might even be.
Sunsetting like simply to sort of like focus energy more I feel like it's one of the most fault things I'm like never like ways that I adult I I signed a five year lease for a retail store and I wow I like you know get I like do my hair and get dressed and look cute and go into it multiple times a week like a fucking adult no one thought that was possible.
I'm also like being like very discerning about where I spend my energy and my time professionally adult also relationship wise with sparkly people with hg like just like being so focused on I'm I'm these are the type of people I'm going to welcome into my life that these are the type of relationships that I'm going to nurture you might be wonderful you might be hot you might be smart you might have all these things but if.
If there's not that like vulnerability growth connection and just like intuitively feeling good then it's just a no like it just can't happen yes so there's I love things.
One thing I respect about you that I remember we chatted about when we were in Japan on the trip was that you're very open and honest in your relationship dynamics from the beginning about the arrangement that you want what feels good what doesn't.
I'm wanting to be with possibly more than one person at the same time I feel like the more we love ourselves and understand ourselves and the more we're then able to tell others and that way it depersonalize it because it's from the beginning it obviously has nothing to do with the other person or your desire or like for them it's actually out of respect for them and respect for yourself and you know the more I spend time doing my spiritual work the more I learn it's really we are born as individuals we will pass as you know.
Our selves we are blessed to have community along the way our parents our families friends chosen family perhaps babies if we choose to have that in our lives but the connection we have with our self and the deeper we can understand what is true for ourselves the more we can navigate our life so I think one thing you do well in your relationships is you say from the beginning what is important to you.
I think I think I've gotten to the point where I recognize that if I don't do that then other people will get her and I'll get her and that that's and whether that's like personally or professionally just being very clear about the expectations rather than holding things back and hoping that you'll change or the other person will change or it'll it'll turn out in a certain way so I think honesty is really important I think also like I think part of being super honest for me is a way of trying to be understood by others.
Like here it is this is what this is this is what you get any questions this is it and I think I'm like as a 45 year old woman who's chosen to never be married and never have kids and exist in non traditional relationships with men and women alike like I'm there's can be a lot of misunderstanding and so for me being honest is like how to try to
try to temper that and just there's just something to like I just yearn to be understood right like I want to be good is that something like for you as an artist or just in in your life do you struggle with that at all in terms of I put this up lyrics the other day like life is good no no I'm understood and I think good like is good I'm understood and so it's funny it's very affirming to hear you say that because
I also feel the same ultimately feeling understood is so that's one of the cores of intimacy it all it's you understanding yourself and then feeling connected and seen to another B.A.
It's very powerful it's I think it's the it's like the antidote to us it's to people who might feel like they want to take their own life is because that feeling is lacking that feeling of connectedness feeling seen feeling understood.
And you know sometimes when I write these lyrics I'm like man that's I'll have my judgment boy that my judgment boy is like that's basic that's obvious that's just because it rhymes you know like that's the that's the artist at and then on the other hand I'm like let it be simple here and your favorite artist is fella could see fella could see would have maybe max 10 lyrics in one song and say it over and over again because it was so important and so radical and simple so that everybody could understand it and connect even if you
love that Trump as an example the message is consistent simple and just to everybody understands the message so I mean even up even Obama change to this day we understood his campaign it was simple and sincere so when I hear you talk about wanting to be understood by
absolutely relate and in fact a lot of my times when I'm not feeling my best self is that feeling of loneliness lack of connection lack of feeling understood lack of feeling desired all those kinds of things and I have to actively manage those voices I also I'm curious like where did they come from is it childhood is it programming is it this is it that is it school you know where did that come from because I don't want to
participate in those discouraging beliefs I want something better for myself and for my life and I therefore want to model that behavior for others this is what it looks
like to have that belief transmute it is it away and have a better belief so yes here's to us all be more understood yeah I mean that's I feel like that's what we're all doing that's that's the big
thing is to be understood and we don't arrive because we keep changing as human so as soon as you understand one thing you know you're already out of the next
yeah yeah contain multitudes I'm trying to think about what else I want to talk to you about I feel like I can talk to you forever because we never get we don't get that much time to chat
so I'm kind of like well we're recording this podcast but also I want to catch up with my friend also maybe that's the point to like stop
or be perfect but yeah I guess what I guess what maybe to leave it on is kind of going back to the beginning of the conversation you
just started snowboarding in the last couple years this winter was a big year for you in terms of like getting that like learning this skill
powder what advice would you give to somebody else who's just learning to ski or or snowboard and like what what has helped you sort
of progress over the last few few years number one get a coalition snowboard that snowboard is buttery that queen bee 145 is buttery
and even to that point the tech the tech side like I think you are the one who is like no dude like this board even though it's yellow is way too tall for you
and of course you were right and then when I cut it by eight centimeters or eight inches or whatever it was it was like immediately a game changer
yeah secondly you were like don't wear men's boots and I'm like but they're cool and there it is and they were that you need to wear women's boots
so even just the knowledge like being part of the coalition community has been big things that you wouldn't think
there are that big of a deal clearly make a difference in smaller terms on the actual mountain the second thing is so the first is gear and tech and buy a coalition board
second is community you know it's so fun going snowboarding with your friend and it's interesting because I'll always start off in a group and then I end up going off on my own I like the combination
like I don't need to fully pull up to the mountain by myself even though I have done that I think there's something nice about like tapping in sharing the day with somebody else meeting for lunch you know all of that kind of thing
so community is a big one one other thing that I love to do is I have a little JBL clip so it clips onto my gear and I play music loud
rather than it being on my headphones and then that's more dangerous so I like having like gentle electronic music playing while boarding
and then you know I think it's that bravery like you got to like get up and get after it like just it's always inertia like it's not easy to get going
you have to get your gear on then your hot on the inside then you have to go outside then your cold like it's just you have to just be ready for a little bit of ruggedness
and just get up and get after it.
Yeah absolutely and I think like I think what you touched on with like community that's like such that's such a big a big part of it is like finding the people who you are going to feel really comfortable with and who you're going to have fun with
and where those experiences of learning are still joyful rather than anything or that's that's like you're holding somebody else back
I think it's good to be honest about like your level compared to others level and find people who are on your same rhythm
because neither person wants to be waiting for the other at the bottom of the chair lift you know you want to find rhythm with community
I think that's that's not a good or a bad it's just an isness like once we find those people who we can snowboard consistently with it's a great feeling or for in my case I like snowboarding with faster snowboarders because it pushes my risk tolerance a little higher when I'm by myself I'm more than happy to just go at a gentle or pace
but but ultimately the more fun is when it's faster so I like snowboarding with people who are faster than I am because it forces me to keep up and push my own risk tolerance
yeah always pushing always growing amen that's what we're doing friend it was so lovely to have you on juicy bits I'm going to put all the links to all your things in the show notes so if anybody is like you
I know I find her I mean you can get out of Gandhi for sure you can find it there and then also put all the links so thanks for being here and now I'm going to hit stop on recording so that you and I can talk about when we're going to snowboard next so we're going to do that
Woo! Woo!