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Welcome after after hours with Dr. Sigoloff. This is a place where Dr. Sigoloff can share some of his thoughts and ideas with you. Dr. Sigoloff is a board certified Family Physician and he has been practicing medicine for almost a decade. Dr. Sigoloff is a Doctor of Osteopathy and therefor he has a slightly different approach to medicine. He likes to get to discuss the heart of the issue so that you can be better informed.
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92. Dan Robert
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ret. SSG Dan Robert: [00:00:00] I commend all of us
ret. SSG Dan Robert: on taking legal roads to handle that because boy, if the
ret. SSG Dan Robert: frustration didn't put the darkest stuff in our heads, I'm sure at every time, and especially when we were scared and then being like, persecuted individually, like I, it means a lot that we stayed so professional the entire time, conducted ourselves legally.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then that's why we're still able to walk around out here and live, our lives. We did do the right thing. We're not criminals. We're not just waving a black flag like we really did stand up for the right thing. And that's it's protected us. And whether you think that comes from maybe a religious belief as well as like just maybe
ret. SSG Dan Robert: the tiny shred of the legal
ret. SSG Dan Robert: system that still works.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Either way, like I, I think it has a lot to do with, like I said, I think it speaks so much to the, the professionalism of our team that we were able to keep it together and do it that way the whole time.
Nurse Kelly: Welcome to after Hours with Dr. Sigoloff, where he can share ideas and thoughts with you. He gets to the heart of the issue so that you can find the truth. [00:01:00] The views and opinions expressed are his and do not represent the US Army, d o d, nor the US government. Dr. Sigoloff was either off duty or on approved leave and Dr.
Nurse Kelly: Sigoloff was not in uniform at the time of recording now to Dr. Sigoloff.
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Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Give us some prayer or any monetary donations at gibs and go. It's Soff v Austin is the name of the the campaign that we're doing. But I, this next guest that I have on, he's amazing because he got into this fight early and he's part of what I was able to glom onto, if you will.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: We have Dan Robert here and from the infamous Robert V. Austin lawsuit. And it was calling the lawyers that were on the bottom of that filing. They got me into all of this fight cuz I was already suspended. I called Dale Saran, I talked to him for about 30, 40 minutes on a Friday at four o'clock.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's what turned my medical exemption that I was giving to service members into an affidavit that went to help your case. Now it's great to have you on. What have you been doing lately?
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, it's, it's good to hear from you, man. It's been like I said, we talked a little bit before, but it's been a busy
ret. SSG Dan Robert: six [00:03:00] months ever or so, since I left, man, like we're,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: we're at eight months.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I left back in November. Officially and I've been all over started with a coast to coast move. So I got out of Georgia, moved out to Utah. A lot of people asked me, they were like, man, why Utah? That's, that was so random and shot from the hip. And they're like, everybody thought I was
ret. SSG Dan Robert: going a bunch of different places
ret. SSG Dan Robert: back on the East coast, something more familiar back to the brag area or something.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: But to be honest, with everything that was going on, I needed to get some space and figure stuff out. And
ret. SSG Dan Robert: it's when there's just like a lot of noise at
ret. SSG Dan Robert: a party and you have to step outside the, room for a minute or go out on the porch and just have a minute to yourself. That's what Utah offered me. A little bit of peace of quiet. I am up here in the mountains pretty good. If you've ever seen Salt Lake City, you are surrounded by gorgeous I mean Misty Mountain lower the rings, looking mountains up here. It's pretty awesome. It's cool that it's just not something I've been exposed to, on the East coast my whole life.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Bounced around for a little bit, doing some contracting.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I did get to do a photo shoot
ret. SSG Dan Robert: for Vortex. I thought that was pretty cool with a company that's
ret. SSG Dan Robert: out here and then, just trying to find my place and kind of that the veteran community of bro vet stuff that's out here, which there's a [00:04:00] ton.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then finally landed a full-time job building firearms, for a company that's local here to me now.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Like I said, it's been all over the place. I still do a little bit of contracting here and there. Started my own podcast
ret. SSG Dan Robert: with that company. Just trying to like, pull in the community and stuff cuz you know, that's what I'm all about.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I just wanna pull in as many people as I can, get out as much information and make people strong. So I'm still doing that and just a different way, I guess it's a different storyline now, but that's what it's been like.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Awesome. Tell us what your MOS was and then kinda lead into how you got started, how you met Todd, how you met Theresa Dr.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Long and how that whole thing unplayed a bit.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, so I was in Leave Bravo my whole career. I short stint over in SWIC as many 82nd paratroopers do, and then ended up back in the 82nd as many paratroopers do. And then like I said, I stayed a paratrooper in 11 Bravo my whole career airborne for 11 of them, which, I have plenty of injuries to, to prove it,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: and then my last couple years,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: They changed the rating scheme for us a little bit and I was like, I want to continue to [00:05:00] develop myself. I'd been a platoon sergeant as a staff sergeant for two years. So I volunteered as a drill sergeant. And then Covid started right
ret. SSG Dan Robert: when I was in the middle of school.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: So I was like trying to do that same thing. I still
ret. SSG Dan Robert: wanted to train soldiers and I was getting to a point where it was like starting to feel like a staff position. So I was like, I want to be on the ground with the men. The best way I could do that and preserve that role was to be a drill sergeant.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: So I went down there. Like I said, mid covid, covid drill time. It's if there's an underappreciated class of soldiers that stuck it out during covid I have to like, hands down drill sergeants, man. Like they,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: They were so low staffed. There's stop moves plus under hat and badge and stuff. And it was just like, and some of those are 18 hour days or longer and 13 day work weeks. And it's just it's a long time. It's very rough on you, your family, your health, your sleep, your mental, status. So for guys to. Stick that out with like the ever-changing dynamic policies of masking and spacing. And then are we picking up, are we not there's so much stuff going on. It was a really hellish time to, to show up, showed up in the middle of that.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then it was, [00:06:00] let's say early 2021, I was in a, and where were station accident. I was in Fort Benning, Georgia, which I'm still calling Fort Benning to this day.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I was just like, not whatever, Fort Moore or whatever it is now. It will never be anything different. Brag, Bragg's gonna be bragged to me forever. But, so I was in a motorcycle accident. This is after tearing an a C L for my third time. And I, I just, I redline it all the time. I go pretty hard. And then I remember talking to one of the doctors in that
ret. SSG Dan Robert: room about trying to keep me, in the fight. And I had a breakdown about it and I was like, this is, this is a lot. I'm juggling all of these different things. I'm in a ton of pain. I need all these surgeries to get fixed up, broken hand, broken ribs, road rash everywhere.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: My knees still toast. I had to back up a surgery for that to get fixed. And they started talking about, medically retiring me, but it was gonna be at least a year plus of surgeries and recovery and physical therapy and stuff, right? So I was on crutches for a good while recovering from that with a cast on my arm and stuff. And then one of the doctors had a conversation with me in that room and was asking me if I was gonna get [00:07:00] vaccinated.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And it wasn't a mandate yet at the time. And I was like, no. I was like, that's, do you remember the, I don't need, do you remember a roundabout date I had? Go ahead.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Do you remember a roundabout date of this timeframe?
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, it's hard. I wanna say the motorcycle accident was
ret. SSG Dan Robert: around April of, I wanna say, 2021. So it would've been shortly thereafter some time around that. Okay. But the doctors were asking me so they were like, are you gonna get vaccinated in? And I was just like, cause there's just like a
ret. SSG Dan Robert: thing. You obviously know in your profession they were pushing it so hard.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. Stuff that was totally unrelated. They're like, oh, there's been a rash of package theft in our neighborhood. Best way to protect yourself is to get vaccinated. Like they'll just, they were just attaching it to everything, I knew, I know, you know that I'm serious cuz they were doing it. It's weird. So like, when that was going on, they were asking me and I was kind, and I went off on this doctor. I was already in a bad mood and and their green suit or doctor too. This is a colonel, and I go off, I'm just like, no.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: It's like it's, I've already had it, and like I'm already through this thing. I was just like, there's a whole regulation that talks about basically natural immunity.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I was aware of. By [00:08:00] absolute happenstance that I had 40 dash 5 62, that I had seen this at some point in my career and I was aware of it cuz I was just like,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I remember making jokes about it with flu shots in previous years.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I'm like, I already had the flu, sir. I don't need to get it. Just look
ret. SSG Dan Robert: right here. But I never pushed it. Yeah. So anyway that doctor
ret. SSG Dan Robert: is the one who gave me Teresa's long's number. And at the time I was like, what is this? I was just like, this is such an inappropriate time to be slipping me your cell phone number.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Like I am, like, I I have no idea what is going on. And they're like, Hey Colin,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Talk to this person and I'll let 'em know. But I think they might have some things you're interested in hearing. And then, after a few days I reached out for the first time and I met Theresa Long just over the phone. And that was just like
ret. SSG Dan Robert: absolutely just. It just took off really quick and she was talking about
ret. SSG Dan Robert: just like the, what was going on with it and like why it was gonna be dangerous. And she's we're seeing a lot of this stuff. I think medically it's not a good idea. We're,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: we knew so little back then, I think about everything that happened.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And we were having a bunch of conversations about it and she kept [00:09:00] saying Hey, this is gonna be mandated and there's people trying to put together a fight for it and try to keep me in the loop. And then I was there, like I said, on the other podcast one day.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I had just gotten outta the shower and then she like text
ret. SSG Dan Robert: me this zoom link and she's Hey, get on this call. And then, it opens
ret. SSG Dan Robert: up and there's all these important people and it's called 16 people. Like I said, Dr. Peter McCullough is on the call. There's Teresa, there's Todd Calender there's a few different people with stars on their chest. And at the time I didn't know someone who were retired. Wow. But I was just like, I was like, what is going on? I was like, I can Google everybody in here except for me. And then I one other Fort Bennings soldier they had spoken to. A good friend of mine. And then, the stuff that these guys were saying on this call, man, it was like so heavy. And I didn't want to jump into the conspiracy stuff on the other side of stuff, of things because you know how some people are saying like, this
ret. SSG Dan Robert: is. The d o d, surrendering, basically our capability to China. I got other people using the word genocide, and I'm just like, and I'm hearing all this and I'm just like, what is
ret. SSG Dan Robert: going on, man? Don't understand. But then they laid out really clearly what was going on in a way that I [00:10:00] did understand, and that it wasn't like so shocking and said they were gonna start this fight. And then basically I took that as oh, so you're asking me to be like a plaintiff on this thing? And I don't know to this day in the end,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: why of all the people that all of those people knew of all over the us I was one of the people that was selected. I think that I present myself pretty well, pretty intelligent, knowledgeable guy, try to not be too, like egotistical about this, but like I know that I do have a public speaking capability. And that no one's gonna push me around, right? I already not like an attitude, but I was like very confident about myself and I was
ret. SSG Dan Robert: gonna see it through. What I don't know if they knew at the time,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: is that while everyone had skin in the game what I stood to lose was,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: the medical retirement and stuff. And I was like not looking at getting out and good enough shape. I literally had an MRI on my back this morning. I had two yesterday, one with, and one without contrast. For two different other problems that I'm having. It's like I'm still dealing with a lot of those issues. I knew I would, so I was like, man, I'm gonna need this support when I get out. And it was like, easy answer. Get
ret. SSG Dan Robert: the shot, shut [00:11:00] up and we give you your retirement. And we just leave you alone and let you do your thing. Or it was like, the more I was learning and the more I saw there, I was like, no, you can't do that cause you're never gonna see it. The danger was so high. And then plus after I really dug into it and became aware of the illegality of the mandate and the way it was being pushed, I was like, no, you know what,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Our soldiers need to know this stuff, all the time as a drill sergeant, when a private would mess something up, cuz like we all did, man, I was a mess when I was a private too, I,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: most of the time just getting scuffed up and basic, you know what I mean? My first dip I ever had in my life was in basic training, so just like terrible experience, that night. But yeah, both in trying it as well as the punishment that came with it. So I know I've been on both sides of that thing. I'm not gonna say I was a saint my whole career, but I mean I, I learned some of the hard way. There's some smart ranger, some strong ranger stuff in there, right? And then but anyway I always said when these kids mess up, I'd always take 'em in the office. I'd bring a battle buddy cuz they gotta have somebody with 'em. And I would explain to 'em like, you have rights here. I'm gonna talk to you about what a counseling is and I don't really look at like a negative counseling. I was like, this is a record of a [00:12:00] conversation. I was like, there's a plan of action and we're just moving forward with this. But I didn't try to tell them like, that paper is not the punishment. And I would explain to them their rights. And then when they had to do like rights waivers and stuff, I was
ret. SSG Dan Robert: like almost taking like paralegal levels of interest and explaining it to them. I really care about that. So this was the same thing. I was like hey, like people need to know. People need to know they have a choice and like they don't have to do it cuz
ret. SSG Dan Robert: everybody's being told they have to. And I was like, okay, so your subordinates,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: your peers and everybody around you absolutely you have a responsibility to protect them. So I was like, just said it to myself, I'm gonna do it.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: So then Todd Calender had my number at that point and we started speaking and I told him and David Wilson, who is an attorney outta colorado, I had told them, I was like, look, I'm gonna do it. I will absolutely be like your plaintiff. Let's do this, man. I'll be the tip of the spear. I don't know why it's a staff sergeant, but okay, if I'm the man for the job, let's do it.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then I cut a deal with him. I said no matter what happens, if I go to jail for five years
ret. SSG Dan Robert: or if I go to jail for, four or five years or whatever, you're fighting [00:13:00] for me every day until I have an honorable discharge, whatever it takes. I was like, you do not leave me hanging just disgraced at the end of this whole thing.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I will not go down as an extremist, like you guys fight for me. And they, and then they had to put up a fight the whole time because that stuff started real fast. So
ret. SSG Dan Robert: we started, we filed shortly after that conversation, and I mean it, it start calls started coming in from the Pentagon, right to. Right down to my company commander almost immediately. I mean, like within two days. Wow. All of a sudden it was like, I remember
ret. SSG Dan Robert: my commander calling me in the office and I just remember like all the blood had
ret. SSG Dan Robert: drained out of his face and he had just gotten off the phone. He's
ret. SSG Dan Robert: he's so I just heard from someone he's like that I hoped
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I would never have to talk to in person, let alone on the phone.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And definitely in that tone, and I was like, but he wouldn't tell me who it was.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: He's I don't know, maybe someday we can have that talk. And he's just staring at the floor. And I was like, man, I was like, so this is this is heavy and it's big people. I had told,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I had warned him a couple days prior. I was like, Hey, look Sue the [00:14:00] Pentagon.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then like everyone was like, kinda alright. Rob, like maybe I, he just wrote like a angry letter or something and they're like this'll fizzle out. Somebody will yell at me and it'll be
ret. SSG Dan Robert: over. Boy were they wrong? I mean we, you know, like with the work of everything, we helped it together. Like man, we took the fight up. Like we took it hard, man. Like we definitely, we did way better than I thought I was going to be honest.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I thought that like after we hit a certain point I thought we were gonna top out and then there was gonna be some military order way of just like shutting us up and they tried everything in the book and man, here we are. We're still on our feet, we're still kicking, we're still fighting. Even Todd told me your case is still, I know I was gonna
ret. SSG Dan Robert: say a couple days ago, he said, your case is still going. It's still going. There's elements of criminality and the things that we're accusing the dod of. So that's why it wasn't just about our, ours was never purely just Hey, we don't want to mandate, which I think a lot of the cases were. So when the mandate went away, while standing case is gone, but we had like elements of criminality, obviously the DMed stuff we can get into. That was a nightmare, obviously, [00:15:00] especially for you guys. And then, like just all that stuff. It just, yeah, that's that's my less than 20 word version of like how I got into it, and I mean it's like you'd have to just jump around and ask what happened next at that point
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: yeah. One thing that's really interesting about Todd's case in your case cuz Todd's the lead counsel and you're obviously the lead plaintiff on it, it's considered Robert V.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Austin. And, it seemed like when I met. And talked to Dale Sarn, it was right at the right time. That's, I don't know where you are in faith. I'm a believer in God, and I think everything happens in the right time. And I think you were the right person for this fight because you, you're so salty about it.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You're so great at being that nco that's kind that father figure that's no, bro, you got rights and you better stand up for your rights because no one else will. And in teaching the younger service members that, but my medical exemption was a different angle that no one had looked at this at where it was.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I'm gonna talk about the medical exemption. I'm not talking about the affidavit because that would be wrong for me to talk [00:16:00] about a lawsuit that's against the US government since I'm still wearing since I'm still in the service. But my. Medical exemption was about how these products and these, the stuff in it, the lipid nanoparticles are not validated for human use.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And so my hope is that whenever this case gets to the end, they'll go, okay, we'll never be able to use anything with these lipid nanoparticles in it because they're, all of them are not fit for human use. It's right there, you can go find it for yourself. But no one seemed to look at that before.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, I remember. And, and you and I, man, when I first met you, when we first started talking man, I thought at the time, and like a lot of people, they'd asked me questions or they would try to throw something at me about it. And I was pretty much, I was like, no one in this room knows Covid better than me, dude. I'm gonna tell you about the shot, I'm gonna tell you about the laws. I'm gonna put you in your place. And I had to be ready to, yeah. I had to keep an edge on me all the time because like at any minute like that was constantly turning on me. And I just had to make it such an over like, And overreaction and
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Be so on point with my notes and stuff that I was like, man, I am, [00:17:00] I am the guy right now.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I'm the one that knows this best. And then I met you, man, and then I was just like, man, I am the one. I, there's so little that I even understood medically
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. That you're being too kind. But thank you.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: No, for real. It's a real thing that, I felt, I was like, man, there's so much more that I needed to know. And I started digging and listening to stuff that, that you had talked to me about too, and just all of the 5 0 5 s really each had to bring something to the table that I didn't have an awareness of. You and Theresa Long and Brad Miller and I can't even remember all of them. At the, off the top of my head there was a bunch, but all of you guys had information and knowledge and stuff, especially the doctors that even Peter Chambers you know, too. And I had conversations with him. He's been very vocal, especially since he's been able to leave which is great. And it's like, All that information came in. So I just
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And I hate to throw this word around, but it's the only thing that sounds appropriate. Honestly, it's, I got groomed into a legal weapon at that point, so like I was all of your voices in one person. And then it just took, yeah, I, my kind of I had a reputation back in the 82nd of being [00:18:00] like the Lord of war, like the Nicholas Cage movie because
ret. SSG Dan Robert: He was just like this smooth talk in slick hair, dude that in a suit that just show up and cut some crazy deal and nobody else could handle. And all the time, like our battalion would be down like $30,000 in airborne supplies trying to build door bundles or something. And I'm like, hold on. Zip across post. And just like couple handshakes, couple smiles, like whatever, have a conversation. All of a sudden I'm back with everything we need. So like
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I just, I try to just maintain that confidence and that's how everything moves on Fort Bragg. It's just who, absolutely. But that was the thing. Yeah. So I just took that with me
ret. SSG Dan Robert: and it was just open door, this person, open door, this person get in this person's face, and I'd see a shitty email or something come across we're not putting up with this, we're not recognizing this exemption or something like that.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And I was like, Okay. And I head on up to their office and find them, walk in the walk into like basically the, the G three or something like that, and fourth floor. Okay, Colonel, there we go. And then just I would just show up and the difference is I'd be able to like just have a conversation with these people and I was like, Hey look, I want you to understand where I'm coming from. [00:19:00] And I think that a lot of people on their side,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: especially, major general Donahoe man, that is an evil human being. I hate that dude to this day too. Especially for everything he put all of our team through. And then just, I, like I said, I worked at the Covid facility for a short time on Fort Benning when I first got there, which is something I almost completely forgot about. Which was a nightmare.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I literally was like just Auschwitz on Fort Bedding, it was like, just like the craziest thing. Wow. I just took all the sick people and crammed them into rooms and just isolated them. It was like about the equivalent of just like sliding a tray of food under their door every day was pretty much how it was. And like there was people in there that needed like access to mental health and things like that. And just were cut off in a way that, I'm not gonna say that it was the worst conditions possible, but I really, I did not like the way that it was being managed and it just seemed really absurd to me. But I understood, at the time that what they were trying to handle good.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I did my residency at Fort Benning. So family medicine residency and, we'd get sick privates up on the floor, they had the flu and they weren't sick. [00:20:00] And we'd always wonder like, why can't they just go be in some unit where we just check on 'em once a day or once every other day?
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Why do they have to be admitted in the hospital and. Diving into that story a little bit more, there was a reason some private went to a unit just like that and then was found dead the next day. And you can't leave people alone when they need medical help. And yeah. We admitted a lot of people that didn't really need to be admitted because they needed the oversight.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: They needed to be taken outta training. They needed to. And it just, it sounds like from what you're describing, it sounds like they went back to what they knew did not work.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: So the thing was is that like some companies if you, anyone
ret. SSG Dan Robert: that's been to basic training, we had the older style buildings.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: It's called the Starship. Basically there's four companies like branching off of the center of the building, which had like your classroom staff duty, like your command hallway and stuff. But it, yeah, it had just an older school Starship look to it, just kinda the way the structure of the building was. All the CTAs where we'd stand on the concrete,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: yell at 'em and give 'em child and stuff was downstairs like open first floor. It's almost like the building was on stilts. Most of the companies would take and [00:21:00] not take a full fill of like 220 privates and then have an empty bay. And as they got sick, they could rotate 'em to that bay and then keep them.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. Together. But yeah, all your sick people are together. They're gonna come in at different times. Like I understand there's ways to work around that. Some people manage that very well. Just an internal covid protocol. And then for some reason the base was just taking everybody from all the schools everywhere, all over. There was even, I remember one night we were like supposed to basically check on people and go through there.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And they had rules, like if they're in their room, they weren't supposed to have the door locked and there's like elements of privacy. It wasn't like I could just barge in their sleep, right? But there was a time that they were supposed to be outside just as like a health and wellness check. And this one door didn't have anybody at it, but I only had names of the people in the room banging on the door, doors locked. I'm banging on the door and I'm a drill sergeant. I'm getting a little pissed, right? Because this was, honestly, this is where all the privates were, but when it happened was, that's how you find a dead person plus. So I was like, yeah, I'm getting pretty pissed. And then I started to yell at this door, and then somebody starts screaming back and I'm, I [00:22:00] was told there's a private in this room, right?
ret. SSG Dan Robert: So I'm getting really mad. And about to tear this thing off the wall opens the door and there's two E seven s and a chief warrant officer in there and like another officer. And I was just like, What I was like, oh man, hey look I am sorry. However, like you were notified of the formation. Just, but it was just stuff that I was just like, wow. They just ran outta space and they were just cramming everybody all into maybe multiple people in these rooms and stuff too. But it was just like, I don't even really wanna get hang hung
ret. SSG Dan Robert: up on that too much. But like, where was I going with major General Donahoe?
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Oh yeah. So he like had a kind of a personal mission to get rid of me after I had filed the case. And then after the big one was the Fox interview. I was worried at the time because I was trying to get stuff out on social media about, I was like trying to
ret. SSG Dan Robert: tell more people, but at the time I had 150 followers. I didn't even have an Instagram for very long and stuff like that. So I was like, I don't know how to, how do I tell people, I can tag big pages, maybe some influencers and stuff. No celebrities spoke up or cared at all, which was super [00:23:00] weird. For the first cause in history, not one.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Has had anything to say about it, especially the military. I didn't know how to get the word out. And then Todd said, I want you to think very seriously about this question. Do you want to go on the news? And I actually, I'm not saying I didn't believe him, but I didn't think it would happen so fast that I was just like, yeah, what? What do you have in mind? And he's there's like Washington Times we could do an article. He's but Fox wants to put you on live on Thursday. And I was like, oh God. I was like yeah man. You know what people need to know. And like I said at the beginning we knew so little man and we knew a lot for what we did, but we didn't even know the DMed data hadn't happened yet.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: My case hadn't been dismissed the first time yet. None of that stuff had gone down, and we were just like, we were just only a couple months past the, the mandate even being initiated. We didn't know about the NDCs, we didn't know about the market end date. There's so many things we knew that were just, everything was just ace in the hole to crush it. And then we just couldn't. But back then I thought the most important thing is there's a lot of people like me right now that are not scared, but they're having to make [00:24:00] a choice and they know there's some danger in this thing, and like they've been told it's illegal or not. And the way that these units are enforcing it and treating people is like very new. We had not treated anything like this before. I'll dare say not even anthrax, because anthrax was not a threat to the force stateside in a way that had caused a reaction all the way through your family homes, your gyms, your chow halls. It was like a deployment requirement more than anything. So this was like precedent setting to me, at least in the way that I saw it. So I was like, people need to know. People need to know. I, this is the best way that I can just stand on a mountaintop and scream it. So I was like, just go on, be confident and just tell everybody what's going on. Just let 'em know Hey, there's a fight on in your name. It's my name. And like it's easy to find and this is what we're gonna do. And, and we talked about it at the time. Todd had mentioned 55 different suppressed medications that were potential treatments at the time ivermectin, and things like that. Hydroxychloroquine all of that stuff had come out of our mouth and stuff, and I think that's why it aired live. And then with four hours later, my interview was gone for me whole internet, like off [00:25:00] the Fox archives wow. Off of YouTube, like everywhere. It was just like, they're like, holy shit, get this gone now. But it was just enough. It was just enough that people saw it. And funny enough, it was all the military meme pages that picked it up that caught onto it and then reached out and then they started pumping my stories and stuff and getting information out and talking to me. Yeah. That Danny and the crew over there at Terminal. Absolutely. Man, and I thought about it after the interview
ret. SSG Dan Robert: with Mike Glover. I was like, man, there's so many people I didn't even get to mention and
ret. SSG Dan Robert: The work those guys have done is so tireless. I burn out. I've deleted Instagram from my phone multiple times and I was just like, I'm don't, I just need a couple days, I'll just drop off the face of the earth. And, those guys just stay on the gas pedal, man, and they, I don't understand how they do it. The dedication is just like unparalleled anything I've ever seen, and but those guys helped get it out. And then, how many, which version of terminal c w o is he on page number 12? Oh. I, you know how he'd get yeah, I know. He'll get $50,000 and then he'll get his page. Yeah. Like it just [00:26:00] happen over and over again. So those guys helped get it out. And then, like I said the personal war of just like everybody Kill Rob started it at. It's yeah, just every, everyone wanted to know where I was all the time, like what they, and I was worried I was like, man, they're not gonna want me talking to this new class of privates. And I did really good. I honestly, I separated. No I know, it's hard to say, but I'd come in the morning and I'm like, and we, we'd have the briefs night before, and they're like, all right, zero four tomorrow morning. They're getting their second round of shots. And like most people would just look at me and they're like, Hey, you can just come in at nine. And I was like, two thoughts. One, I'll be there. Yeah. I was like, if I'm there, I'm gonna ask questions and they're not gonna like it. I wanna make a scene. And I did a few times even for other units, people had called me and they're like, dude, they're saying they've got the approved shot here, and I was just like, they don't, dude, I promise it's not real. And I showed up and I went outside. I dragged their commander and their first sergeant outside. I was like, look, this is what's going on. I was like, you guys don't have to get in today. I was just like, they're, they'll probably going to go through the line and understand, if they [00:27:00] say no, there's no legal recourse to punish them for this thing,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And they, they'd be sitting there who the hell is this staff sergeant? This random drill is out here. Just telling this company commander and the xo and I have like all the pls around me in a circle of some random company. I was just like, Hey, they don't have to do it, man. That's absolutely not true. So like I, it created enough problems that I, there was like a little period there that like, mps were floating around outside there, and I think they were just kind waiting for me to be like dude, get outta here. You're not a part of this unit. I think that was like interfering. But the funny thing is the commanders would listen. Awesome. And they'd be like, alright, if they don't have it, then whatever, dude. And I was like, if you don't believe me, I'll take you inside right now. I'll say, show me what you're saying you have. And if it's not it, I was just like, man, I'll never talk to you again if it's, if they have it.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I'm like, if they do then all I ask is do not punish your soldiers for making a choice that they're legally in the right to say. And like I said, multiple times, like I was just like this. So I got to pop up and be this like like folk hero on betting for a little bit cuz some units, like I said, the people knew and they'd see me. They'd they'd be filing by line or they'd put messages out and stuff and then they'd see my jeep pull up [00:28:00] and me hop out. And it was just funny cuz they're like, people were like, like cheering. I was just like, dude, I got you. I'm going in. It's just funny, man. It's like that's the stuff that kind of kept me going at the time. But like I said, we didn't even know everything. All I knew is they didn't have the approved thing yet, but man, the dark story that, that turned out to be,
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I, when I was ordered to, to take it they told me they're doing the rodeo all week. I have to show up until they're done or I get the shot, which is huh, that's weird.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Multiple days this week I gotta show up and just sit there as a major. Yeah. Whatever. So I sit there the first day and I asked my hospital commander who just got I don't, she was only in place for two years. Usually command is three years. You do what you want with that. But she's no longer the commander as of yesterday, which is great.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And I showed her the vial. I said, ma'am, this says EUA on it. So this is not ancy. You should have seen a fire in Rise. And so they had me go sit off to the side and I talked to some, company commander and I said, Hey, this is not legal. We'll get together and talk after this if you'd like.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: But I don't wanna talk in front of all the privates, cuz it's not [00:29:00] legal. Yeah. And as we're talking, some guy next to me is my arm's going numb and it's terrifying, and the nurse is oh, that's fine. That happens to everyone all the time. I gotta go mar for that. And then they, I was handing out constitutions and they said, why signal off?
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Why don't you just not come for the rest of the week? Two days is enough for you. We don't need you to be here handing out constitutions anymore.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: It's just people didn't understand that, like it was a bad thing to being in a squeaky wheel. And it didn't. Did not work out for everybody. Some of you guys, like I said, ate tons of go Mars court marshals, Mark Bashaw that just absolutely stayed. Just the truest straightest arrow throughout the whole thing. Persevered and then, has really like dire consequences. You, his whole family suffering and, is about to because of this. And they have this entire
ret. SSG Dan Robert: time. I honestly like I don't wanna get into it so much. I, part of the reason I ended up with a divorce in the middle of all that stuff too is cuz the amount of stress this was putting on families and everything that was going on and. Man, between the healing and stuff that was going on, plus the drill time, plus the covid stuff, plus the case, plus everyone [00:30:00] that was getting involved in our lives, it absolutely ripped my relationship apart because of just the amount of stress that it was taking out on everyone. And then one night a,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: An MP followed me all the way home from the gas station. And it was weird cause, this dude went like lights out and just followed me on my bumper and I was like, okay, what the fuck is this? I was like, this dude is definitely following me for a reason. It was like only eight o'clock at night, but it was pretty dark. And I turned down my driveway, which was this long alleyway like thing on post at the time. And I rushed inside the house just so I could tell my wife At the time I was just like, Hey, this cop just followed me down here. I don't know, it's about to go down. I don't know if I was worried. I'm like, I think, I don't know FBI's about to raid the house or something, but I was like, put the dogs up. I was like, get like these things out of here. There's some, we had some protocols just in case that kind of stuff happened. There's some thumb drives that needed to move, people that needed to get called and stuff like that. That's the state of fear she was living to. And
ret. SSG Dan Robert: and then I'm like, man, I also don't know. I don't even know if that's a real MP outside. You
ret. SSG Dan Robert: know what I mean? I don't know what kind of danger I'm in and I'm just, there's like literally a dark [00:31:00] alley out back of my house and I was like, man, I go outside with a gun.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: This is gonna go a lot of different ways. You know what I mean? So I was just like, I'm gonna have to make a choice. I see the dude standing outside my vehicle, outside in the dark and I was just like, All right. Fuck it, dude. So I just go out and I'm just like, Hey man, what's going on? And then we just, I end up in this like kind of tense standoff for a minute and he had to tell me he's. Oh yeah, he just you got a flat tire, man. He is if you look this thing's like riding on the ground. He's but if I light you up, I gotta like, call it in and stuff. He's yeah, I just wanted to make sure he let you know, dude, like the thing's, this thing's pretty far down. And I was just like, dude, I was like, just light me up next time. What's wrong with you? I was like, don't do that. Yeah. Now the story that I did tell of that and is because there was two other things that happened Yeah. That were dangerous. That I'm not gonna talk about right now. Just cause it'd honestly be too hard for me. More than anything. But we lived in that fear all the time that, you know, Never. Every night I'm coming home and she didn't know is this the night the door's getting kicked in? They're gonna shoot my dogs. I didn't know, if they were gonna, whatever day I was gonna show up to work. Yeah. Every time I scanned my [00:32:00] ID at the gate, I wait. I waited every single time for them to be like, Hey, sir, I need you to pull over here. And just that, the tension,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: because that was happening to some of the people. Some of the people that were on my case that were whistleblowers, that got us like the vaccine, like the inventory systems from their base, c i d showed up at their houses, arrested them. These dude left their homes in cuffs laptops, phones seized. This stuff was going on around me. So we were living in fear, but I was like, I have to keep going,
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: and we have a mutual friend, and I'm not gonna mention his name, just to protect his in innocence, but they took firearms out of his home and kept them right.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And yeah, they drug him out of a giant conference hall. And it's bad things. They almost had him admitted against his will for psychiatric reasons, which he had no psychiatric reasons to be admitted.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. The thing that I think a lot of people don't know is that I was there that night for the whole thing. The only part, oh yeah. So that individual called me Wow. In the middle of that. And I basically was the first time in my whole career, I think I was thankful for wearing a mask. So I showed up to the hospital and this is a [00:33:00] story that like,
ret. SSG Dan Robert: it's careful. I get very careful about, how I talk about this part. I showed up to the hospital and I had, had my tattoos covered up and like my hood on, I basically looked up the Unibomber, like mask on in the middle of the night and stuff. And I basically talked my way past the the hospital security, the nPS is like unit people, everybody that was there.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And I made it all the way into his room where he was being monitored and watched by all these layers of security. And I was able to talk to him. I got to check on him face to face. I got to hug him. And then when I did that, I mean everything in his pockets ended up in my pockets. Which included recordings of some of those phone calls and conversations and some of the people that admitted him and the conversations that cuz you know, you remember the questions and how crazy that was, that had
ret. SSG Dan Robert: nothing to do with his like psychological health. It was all political. So you unloaded that stuff in my pockets and then I talked my way back out of the hospital and I made
ret. SSG Dan Robert: it. To the point where that information and the stuff that he handed me was able to make it to the [00:34:00] attorneys, to the doctors. And then we know man, the story that blew open that night. And they were able to get him out. But I was, yeah, I was there for it. And that's one of the stories I've been really quiet about. But if you do get the chance to talk to him again about it, like you gotta hear his, his side of it, I'm sure you have at this point, but it's, it was a pretty wild evening that went on and then yeah I can't think of definitely in the top three people I think that dealt with the most persecution for trying to help soldiers.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: For sure. And as soon as that guy is safe, I promise I'm putting him in front of every mountain mountaintop he can scream from, just the mouth can just go on full auto and just,
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah, when he is, when he's out, I want to get him to speak at this venue cuz if he's willing to cuz and he's seen some stuff and just for doing the right thing.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. And for really easy stuff like very similar to what I was doing in a different platform. He, like the theater incident, he basically was just like, Hey, that's not true. You guys have rights. And they're like, they arrested him. I was super, in the end of what they said, he [00:35:00] was arrested for that. After again, this complicated two, three step thing that happened before that was the result, but that is what ended up happening over it.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then, I had pushed information to multiple bases and I had little satellite information warfare things at pretty much every post in the military. And I had people.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Calling me and they're like, Hey, I, man, I'm in a brief right now and they're telling me they have this thing. And I'm like, I'm telling you, they don't, dude. I'm like, ask him this question. Ask him this question. I was like, I wanna see lot numbers. What does it say on the vial? Does it say eua? And then those people literally did the exact same thing. Like I have friends of mine, I'm still very good friends with now that stood up in these theaters, ask these questions and then and were able to like play stump the chump. On one of those bases, a brigade had to cancel the entire briefing cuz
ret. SSG Dan Robert: they're like, Hey, we're not really sure about this. We're unaware what's going on
ret. SSG Dan Robert: because we want to get you the right answer. We're, this is still going forward. You guys are still getting go Mars and all that. They were still telling him that, but they're like but they're like, we just wanna validate some of this information.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: He literally just was [00:36:00] a bombshell for doing the same thing and it was effective. And then he ended up basically in a, a briefing with his battalion and brigade commander explaining his like, Hey look like. I understand what you're doing and I think I said, I think
ret. SSG Dan Robert: the message a lot of people had, I think when they first heard about me and like some of those things that were going on, I think they thought I was a very like, black flag waving like extremists, like anti-government. Like I think that's how this stuff was being pitched up at the top. That they're like, this dude, this poor, he's like just sowing insurgency in the force. Like I think that's how the briefs were coming down. So that's why I worked really hard. I'm serious. Yeah. And yeah, like I said, there was like extremism stuff got thrown around a bunch of times and I, that's why I worked really hard to do the Lord of War thing, man. And I would just clean up and go up there and be presentable, and just have a conversation with somebody. Look, I'm not here to do this. I have brought everything to show you. I've highlighted these things and like honestly I tried to make it as Crayola simple for these infantry brigade commanders and stuff as I could just cuz I'm like, I think it's, their attention span is short for it. Cuz they already know what they're gonna do. They wanna made their decision. But like I, it was [00:37:00] funny because I'd always finish up the conversations with a threat, I was just like, I've shown you how like illegal this is. If this was happening in different conditions, this is a war crime. And I, I just, I would hate to see you get wrapped up in, charges for something like that. You know, just I would I would always throw those things out there and yeah, man, sometimes that played out for me and sometimes it did not. But it was like I had to roll the dice on it. I look back at this and
ret. SSG Dan Robert: it's funny, it's I'm laughing about it now, but man, this is a fucking dark time for everybody. This was really hard on all of us, and like I said, and it's just I, this is very dark time
ret. SSG Dan Robert: for our country and even now as much stuff as I've covered is maybe October, February, it's maybe four months. All of everything we've talked about is maybe the first four
ret. SSG Dan Robert: months of the mandate, to be honest. Because we hadn't even gotten to the D data. Wow. Which like, Yeah, I want to hear your side on some of that, because I know you were one of the original whistleblowers on it and like how I don't know, it came into your possession or how you got it out. Like I don't know what you can talk about. Cause I know you still have like I said, there's still legal stuff going on, but I just [00:38:00] I don't think people even understand like how that stuff turned up.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I was, I had already put in my first. Qualified resignation. So unqualified means, Hey, just let me out. I put in a qualified one saying, I wanna get out and stop all this BS and, we'll just say, Hey, we don't meet each other's expectations and we'll go on our way. And while I'm waiting for that answer actually it was maybe a week after I got the answer no.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Dr. Long called me. Theresa called me and said, Hey, Soff, get on your computer real quick. Look at this website. Never heard of it, ma'am. Okay let me get in here, put this in here. She said I've gotta be wrong. I'm doing something wrong. I have to, I pray to God I'm doing something wrong. But it looks like, there's a thousand percent increase in this disease and 400% increase in that disease and 300 and Nope, I'm getting the same exact thing.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And that's what that means. And then about a month later is when and she was very good about this whole thing. She said, we gotta keep it quiet. We can't tell anybody because they could change it. And, she went so far as to even videotaping herself. Doing the, pulling up the [00:39:00] information so that no one could say, oh, she's faked all this information and I saved it, and various other people saved it and it's been shipped all over the country.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And, and then when it finally came out would you believe it that Senator Ron Johnson told the Secretary of Defense to not change any of the information and he must protect it? And then a day later, the entire database gets taken down? Everything gets changed, and through some Politico email interview they put up. Oh, it was just a glitch in our system.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, I remember that that Politico article. I remember that coming out too, because. It was so hard for me to believe, like how quick everybody was like, oh, yeah, see, it was just a mistake. That's literally how like most of my command acted. They're like, man, whew. This was a really big deal and you had us scared there for a minute. I thought people were actually getting hurt. And no. This Politica article, I was like, since when do we take orders? Like from something like that, man. And I was just like, you really, that was enough information for you to just be, yeah. To be done with it. And it was, and I was
ret. SSG Dan Robert: like, all right work continues. But yeah, that was [00:40:00] a, that was a wild time. I'll never forget my first time I got handed a copy of that the night that like, because like you said, it got distributed and I remember the night that it made it to me, I was crushed.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Like I, it's, I'm not even gonna go into it cause I'm gonna get super emotional talking about it, but like I know. What it must have been like for you two to feel like you were sitting on something that like. I don't know. I can't imagine what that felt like to be like probably
ret. SSG Dan Robert: the only two people in the world that were aware of it at that time.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: You know what I mean? Like how that must have felt that is such a burden. And then to have that point in history where you guys had to decide what are we going to do with
ret. SSG Dan Robert: this? How do we do this? And then to know that you did it perfect.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: You did everything you guys could, right? And then still, like the powers of being and the evil was like going to do what they did. But like the people that know and needed the truth, we all got it because of you guys. I can't even imagine what that must have felt like
ret. SSG Dan Robert: to be in that position, cuz yeah man, that's just, that's this heavy, and
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: yeah. And it was over like Christmas break or something and man, my heart just sunk [00:41:00] when I was looking at this stuff. And it was, as a doctor we're good at dissociating a little bit and you have to because otherwise it's impossible to keep the fight. And the example I've used before and I.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I'm sure you've done some scout work or you're at least familiar with that, but the best way to describe it is, let's say you've got a small platoon of, maybe 30 guys and you send your scouts up to go look over the ridge line and look down, down the hill and down there you see a hundred thousand enemy troops.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the scout says, don't worry about it. There's nobody down there. You'll be fine. And then those 30 guys go over the hill and just get obliterated. That's exact. So the scout would be the medical system DMed that was stood up to see what medical threats are facing the service members.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And to put out those eyes of that scout is akin to treason. And because it took more than one person to take down the system and put it back up with new numbers, it takes a conspiracy, at least two people working together. So that is conspiracy for treason. Yeah. Unquestionably that is the magnitude of what happened.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, absolutely. And that's a, that's another [00:42:00] thing that I think people just don't understand. There wasn't some tasking that came down to some specialist in S one.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: They're like, Hey, can you fix that tracker? It's not just I don't just drag and drop, highlight things red and click the color green. Like that's not exactly how that's edited. Yeah. The
ret. SSG Dan Robert: massive amount of information that was attached to that thing. And then just obviously what the implications were. Like I can't imagine, the, what kind of like resources took to, to change that. I can't imagine.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Yeah. I got you back. Lemme hit. Okay, we're recording.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Okay. So I'm not sure where it dropped off there for a second, but I was starting to say this wasn't some specialist that changed the color tracker. And I. I can't imagine what kind of resources that took or what level, but then as I sit back, I'm like, no, I can. And I, and
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I actually, I could put names and faces to it, and that's the hard part is knowing the truth and yeah, feeling betrayed on that level, I guess as a soldier who was like standing up for the stuff that we thought, we were always trained to do and the things we were told were just a value. [00:43:00] And then, yeah, being treated like criminals for that by people that were actually committing, like you said, conspiracy and treason. It's a really hard time, to balance that stuff and figure out how to make choices. And I will say I commend all of us
ret. SSG Dan Robert: on taking legal roads to handle that because boy, if the frustration didn't put the darkest stuff in our heads, I'm sure at every time, and especially when we were scared and then being like, persecuted individually, like I, it means a lot that we stayed so professional the entire time, conducted ourselves legally. And then that's why we're still able to walk around out here and live. Our lives because, we did do the right thing. We're not criminals. We're not just waving a black flag like we really did stand up for the right thing. And that's it's protected us. And whether you think that comes from maybe a religious belief as well as like just maybe the tiny shred of legal system, it still works. Either way. I think it has a lot to do with, like I said, I think it speaks so much to the, the professionalism of our team that we were able to keep it together and do it that way the whole time.[00:44:00]
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Definitely. And that, that team mentality is it was about a year ago, I think you, I put up the episode. Oh, it was 50 weeks ago. So almost a year ago. Ex. Almost. Exactly. This episode where this guy Chad, he's a lieutenant and in the Coast Guard, he called me and we ended up talking cuz there was, like all of us are, Loosely connected and there is pictures of coer floating around. And this is really, I wanna really wanna thank you, the listener, the audience who's been with me on this journey. And I apologize for, the difficulty with the video editing and the audio editing and sometimes it's not great. But you're making a difference because I put that episode out and then shortly after I was I was it was episode 36, it's made in France, not FDA approved. And I got the order that yous, I have to get coine now, cuz now we finally have it. And I asked the colonel that was giving that order, I said what's the lot number? Is it FW 13 3 31 or is it FW 1333? And he said, how'd you know? And I said cuz and then he said, there's rumors out there that this stuff [00:45:00] is not actual er. And I said, yes, sir. I help break that story. And so the viewers and the listeners it's not on me. It's you for pushing back at them for watching this stuff. And, I praise God that I've been able to be given a voice a little bit and get some of this information out to you. But you're making the Pentagon move by listening to some of the things that we're breaking here.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. And that's a huge deal too. And the other thing that, you know, and I brought this up on, the Black Rifle podcast it was really hard, just jumping way forward to my retirement should step away because I was super worried that maybe too much was hanging on me
ret. SSG Dan Robert: at the time. And that's how we all probably felt cause it was a lot to carry. But I was just like, what's gonna happen when I lose access to the things and I lose standing and I'm no longer in the picture and I can't help people and I can't be this form to put this thing out.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And it was harder to like, do I lose validity cuz I'm not somebody with skin the game anymore. It's like I went through a lot of mental stuff trying to figure that out. And I likened it to like going to J RTC or N tc, or any of those types of things. When you go [00:46:00] out in the field and you train sometimes the ocs, the people like adjudicating the kills and stuff.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Look at the group and see who's doing the most work. And then grab them and be like, Hey, you're dead. Lay down. And then the whole, yeah, just, and the guy that's running the show, and they'll grab a commander right in the middle of a brief and do it, they'll grab a platoon sergeant in the middle of a kabak and they'll be like, Hey, Sergeant, lay down.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: You're dead medic. You're dead. And then like you pull your little casualty card and read it. You're like, okay, like gunshot to the right testicle. I'm not dead, but this does suck.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: It just always says something just obscure that I'm just like, I'm not exactly dead. But yeah, I see why. I feel like I wanna be, but so they would do that. And then you have to watch them. Have I trained my soldiers? Have I given them all the things they need to succeed without me? Are they capable or is all of this, the linchpin is on me, is all the pressure on me the way that I feel that it is? And man, like I left. And everyone just held the line and everyone kept pushing. And then, there's so many other people, there's so many other heroes of this story that like I can't even sit and name them all, but people like Nick Cup, I think he was a big one, I [00:47:00] feel like. Yeah, when I hit a plateau. He's been amazing. When I
ret. SSG Dan Robert: burned out the hardest, probably around the time like that divorce was starting and stuff.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Nick really stepped up, man. And then he was talking to Matt Getz and he was on the news and stuff, and he was on Fox and he was, he really took the torch big time. And then he took it his whole war with Terry aam, on Twitter. Like it was amazing, honestly. It was amazing. He was so correct all the time. But there was always this like little element of pettiness to it, and I just, I live for it, man. It was it was such a glorious thing. And then after she'd block and, scraped him off of her page and everything he just kept popping back up. He just kept he, he would not let her off the hook, man. He was relentless until the day she left her office and as far as I know still is. But like I said, those guys, everybody, we all had a nemesis, throughout this thing. And watching that one was entertaining and we all have different ways of presenting information. Nick is very much a numbers guy. He'd put stuff out so technical sometimes. I think some people had a hard time appreciating it. Because it was just like, I mean the precision of the numbers and the way he would measure [00:48:00] things and talk about it. Like I said, dude, he just absolutely was just like a hyper intelligent, like individual. Like I said, super about it. And then he had a lot of the line, he has, his family situation with his kids' medical needs and stuff
ret. SSG Dan Robert: like that. Like he had so much riding on it and was at like 19 years or is now
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Oh, he, yeah, I think he's, I believe he's out now at, I believe he got retirement. That was be wrong, that
ret. SSG Dan Robert: he said. But I believe he did needs to, there's a lot of guys like him. Like I said, he needs to, like our, our mutual friend we talked about and terminal c w there was a period there with terminal that I feel like the Navy specifically could not do anything. They could not launch a single ship from port if they didn't. Okay. It like, it's I feel like they had to turn in their log stat and their, their water and everything. Yeah. It just, the symbol kept. It just kept up. And the symbol kept showing up everywhere. It was so crazy, the power.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: We stood together, like I said, man, nothing could stop. Imagine if the whole force had
ret. SSG Dan Robert: gotten behind what we started, and and actually believed us and did that whole thing.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And and I, people asked me too don't you think it's a surprise how many people just went along with [00:49:00] it? And I don't. Because of the patterns, man. Like I said, I, dude, I have 11.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Flu shots, i, so to be honest, I even got a flu shot the year that I, right after I started my case, because I was like, all right, couple, two sides of this. One, I don't trust anybody to stick me with this thing. So I went off post to like a Publix and I stood in the line, and then
ret. SSG Dan Robert: even when the doctor came out, he's oh yeah, you're here for a flu shot. I was like, hold on, don't touch it. I'm opening the box, I'm reading it, I'm making sure this is the same thing I've had the last and he's just what happened? I'm like, just sta my way. Yeah, just, but I was like, all yeah. I was just like, thing, I was like, what happened to you? Mostly 51% convinced this is what it says it is. And I was just like, all right, we're gonna do it. But I was like, part of the reason I did it was to prove a point that I was like, if you do the process legally and you give me a lawful order, I don't have a problem. Like following a lawful order.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then I was also like, dude, I'm not even an anti-VAX guy, which is funny because I now, honestly, I am like, like [00:50:00] for a bunch of different reasons. But yeah, that did kinda
ret. SSG Dan Robert: eventually train club send into that for sure. Yeah. But I did it partly to be like, no, look, you give me a lawful order, I'm gonna go do it. The other part was like, dude, I just don't need anything else on my plate right now. I was just like, I had already started such a war with that thing. I was like, for me to just have another red flag and another reason to I just didn't need it to, I needed to stay in the fight long enough from a defensible position.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: So even that year I was like, I think I'm just gonna go do it. And then, yeah, the next morning, and this is crazy, like Covid gave everyone such just absolute power throughout the d o D. So the next day when they're like, Robert, you gotta go down to that same clinic where I was like, not supposed to be hanging around and you gotta get your flu shot and stuff. And I was just like here is my receipt and here is my paperwork from Publix. I was just like, I'm just gonna turn this in. And they were just like, okay. And then of course everyone in line is wait, can I do that? I was just like, honestly, I've done it every year because they give you a $10 gift card. So I'm just like it's just like a thing I've been doing in the past anyway. [00:51:00] So I was like, I get outta SRP and I get, free lunch, dude.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: That's why like I was aware of it, but then one of my One of the NCOs actually, who is a prior service guy that was training to be infantry, had 18 x-ray contract and he was going through the line. So this is a sergeant in line, an E five, like a hard striped sergeant for sure, like qualified NCO that is just reclassing is going through the line. And
ret. SSG Dan Robert: then he did the same thing cuz I had spoken to a couple people about what I had been doing because prior service guys had their phones and they got wind of it cause they had Instagram. And my name was popping up and they followed no meme pages. So they knew. And I was like, listen, sh do not talk to the privates about this. Don't, yeah, do not alert the first sergeant to your awareness of this thing. I was like, if you wanna be cool, like just keep your mouth shut dude. So like I told him a little bit of it and I told
ret. SSG Dan Robert: him how I handled it. So that sergeant gets up to the front of the line and there's a PV two, a little E two, private standing there, this female and he is like, Hey, I wanna see the vial cuz he said he was only getting the flu shot, not the covid shot. And she lost it on him. And you two screaming at an nco. [00:52:00] And then I mean she, she goes ballistic man, like screaming at him. Like, where you off telling me what? Dude, Like again to an NCO in any
ret. SSG Dan Robert: situation, lost all military bearing. So he he like steps out of line. Yeah. And comes walking out all the way out to the lobby of the building. And I, she is just chasing him like, like a dog chasing a car, man. Just behind him the whole way. He very calmly, he's Joel Sergeant. He's can you help? She, he's she won't show me the vial. And I I had to diffuse that situation because man, everybody saw that all the unit commanders, everybody, all the other privates, and they watched this dude buck and walk outta line and then almost was, seemed like a personal relationship there because he came to me
ret. SSG Dan Robert: specifically to resolve this thing. And then other people didn't have an awareness. So I had to like, again, there's that lord of war thing's a problem. You go but I kinda had to put her in her place. I was like, regardless of the situation, you have lost on military bearing. You do not like just scream at people and tell them what to do. Until you have one of these, like where my. Round, round, I was like, that's just not really how that's gonna work. Yeah. I was like, so I wanna see whoever in charge of [00:53:00] you out here now. And then it ended up being a civilian, of course. So the talk didn't go the way I wanted it to, not in my favor, but I'd be you gotta keep you going online. Like covid things does not mean you have absolute power just cuz you like, related it to safety. And that's how a lot of people believed it. And then as everything turned into a safety precaution at that point. And they just abused it. But it was just crazy like what it did to the army during that time, and the trust,
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: I was back at the time I did some digging into numbers and stuff, but there was more murders of service members murdering other service members for multiple years in a row from I think it was like 95, 2005 every single year than there had been all the years of covid deaths until the shots arrived.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. I mean, And there's I think you can make a case for a lot of that stuff too. One of the best like compilations of numbers we put together I think was that
ret. SSG Dan Robert: just in soldiers that got kicked out and it was like the Air Force stopped
ret. SSG Dan Robert: reporting six months before the mandate ended and stuff. And I was like [00:54:00] 8,600 at the time. And then I am aware of multiple to the end that I could safely and like confidently round up to 10,000 total by the end. Or at least where we are, people are still dealing with it. And consequences thereof that, corporal Arnett for example not a direct refusal is the problem. She's on her way out now, but because of the way they handled it, she's still dealing with the court marshal and stuff. Now they're trying to admin separator.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: So you had 10,000 people and like I said, that was more than the 20 year G wat. All of Iraq, all of Afghanistan, and every body that was in nine 11 in the Twin Towers, if you combined all of those numbers for 20 years of war on two continent, two countries it was still less than we had just kicked out for that thing in a six month period.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And we just and people saw that, so Go ahead.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: What? Yeah and that's for straight refusal. I know at my post and I spoke to people who can both corroborate this, but there were privates who were kicked out for a quote, refusal to train. [00:55:00] The reason they were refusal to train is because they were not allowed into the schoolhouse because they didn't get the shot. They wanted to go in that schoolhouse, and they were dismissed because of refusal to train, which is illegal. Because it's unlawful to have, make a service member get this.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah. And I'll say that is exactly how certain people that I've spoken about recently, and even on this particular episode that's how they ended up separating those people and doing the same thing, a refusal to train because they just, you could not be a part of certain things or had to go miss important events to go be down there just to say no again. And you, it was just kinda like it worked out that way a bunch of times. Yeah. There's so many. And then, yeah, the people that like saw how we were all treated and then they were like, man I'm done. I'm not they saw it and they were like that could be me over anything. And they saw it and then, but plenty of others like. They just went along with it and they don't care. Like I said, I think, and it's hard because, so there's a day
ret. SSG Dan Robert: the day I was retiring, I was signing out, or I was in one of my final briefs, and there was somebody I spoke to in the back of the room that I just hadn't, I had [00:56:00] talked to 'em in the middle of our covid battle a year prior, and I saw them and I went up and I was just like, Hey, are you're this guy, right? We spoke like a year ago. And this guy broke down. I watched him like the blood drop out of his face when he like read my name tape and saw my eyes and saw who I was, and I was stand, I was like a consequence standing in front of him. And then like he broke down. He tried to explain, you don't understand what they did to me. You don't understand what they were threatening. I was like, but
ret. SSG Dan Robert: dude, first of all, no one gets to say that to me. But I do understand what you're saying. I promise, I do know of all people I get it. And not trying to compare trauma, but I was just like, that was a shitty approach to it. Yeah. But he was kinda like you You're here, so you must have gotten it too. And I just did the Rob Grant and I was like, no man, I told you don't have to. It's illegal dude. You don't have to do it. I'm retiring and I'm okay. And it was, know I had played a bunch of legal games and I, as far as stump the chomp goes like that was really the thing. Every time that they'd send back a denial letter about something, I would just pull some absolutely obscure, like reference outta some manual
ret. SSG Dan Robert: somewhere and I'd send it back up as another exemption, which of course [00:57:00] takes. Time it would hit brigade legal and they would call and be like, Hey, we don't recognize this exemption. And I'd be like I don't recognize your authority to say no because this has to get approved at a much higher level. And I, and then I'd send them that part of the regulation and I just kept doing it. So and I just kept them stringing it along until, yeah, like when I did retire, like depending on did call down, they're like, how is Robert still in the army? How, and so that makes me know that whatever was going on and coming down, was just hitting some barrier in between. And I was just like, just playing racquetball with this some legal entity somewhere in the doj which has turned out to be true. And that's where it was just stopping. So they just couldn't believe it. And then by the end, there was nothing they could do. So I had a lot of resources. And I've said this on, like I said on Mike's podcast too. They were like, man, that was like really brave of you. And I was like, dude, it was not, I had every resource in the world and that was my job.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: I hate to come off, so like just doing my duty, but man, really? I felt that way. I did the whole time. That's why it was never a question, it was never a wavering [00:58:00] question. I was like, maybe I shouldn't have done this. I was like, no. Yeah, it's my job, dude. I have to take care of the men. You'll never be wrong. That's how it goes. But then, oh man, yeah, you're gotta look in the mirror. You gotta be sleep like I have now. But like I said, I think a lot of people have a consequence talking to me, especially now that a lot of stuff has come out as true. But they don't call and apologize, right? They just cut me off, like people block and don't talk to me. Now, friends of mine for years they don't want to have to face the consequence of realizing like, how they treated me during that time, and they just, they cut us off, so that's the other side of it where some people were just like, go along, get along, and then they saw the way we were treated. There's other population that like, They're literally, they're trying to suppress it in their own mind and not think about it now. Because we have our own war heroes from this story, and they had the same opportunities we did, and they chose otherwise, and some of them do realize that.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Some of 'em think we're still insane. But it's just been very interesting to see yeah. Oh, it did take a little bit of crazy man, for sure. It might be a little bit, and thinking about
ret. SSG Dan Robert: it's such a funny picture in my head, and I described it in the beginning of this talk.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: So there I was, right? Broken rib, shattered [00:59:00] hand cast on my arm on crutches, torn acl, right? The road rash all over my body. And then, what am I doing hobbling after the Pentagon? I'm like, yeah, let's go. Yeah. I was just like, we're checking the fight to them and just clink you bring it clink. It's just like leading the fight. But I was just like, man, couldn't hold me down time. But like the more I looked back, I was just like, dude, that was. Yeah, that was maybe a pretty egregious step. Like I said, very aggressive. And like you said, maybe you have to be a little bit crazy to think it could work,
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: but you gotta do what you feel is right. And, I agree with you. I think you were right. I think you did the right thing. I think you gave lots of service members bravery to, to stand up in their own place. Certainly there are others that we call 'em, people who caved. Yeah. I have compassion for them because they felt like there was no other way.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: And the moral injury that they sustained by thinking that it was wrong, but doing it anyways. I can't even fathom what they're going through and I just pray that they can forgive themselves because it's a terrible place to be, to think that, oh do I have a time bomb in me? Yeah.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Is it gonna. Click off one day [01:00:00] and I'm just not gonna wake up, or, or am I gonna be horribly injured or, I have been horribly injured. I spoke to a general a while back, I just called cold, called him and he's, this war fighting general and his right hand is now defunct. He can't use it. I wish he would have the bravery to come on this show to tell others what terrible things happened to him so that he can help encourage those that have holding out.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Yeah, I come off pretty bitter about it a lot because of the way that population treated me during that time that I, it became a. I did have periods of like us versus them, but at any time, if they had come over, I never would've treated them that way.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And the few that did, I was just like, Hey, I'm glad. I was like now that you understand what needs to happen, I was like, you have soldiers to protect, make sure and look out for your men too. Every single time or even when people did get the shot that would say they weren't going to, and then the next time I'd see 'em, they're like, Hey man I'm trying to go to ranger school and I got all this stuff going on. I, like I did it just like I'm trying to stay it man. Like I just, this isn't something I can deal with right now. But I was just like, okay. But then I said the same thing to them. I'm like, but now you're safe. [01:01:00] Right now you don't have the threat of losing everything and you're gonna stay in a leadership position.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Cuz if you fought it, you were removed really early on. So I was like, now that you're safe and in a leadership position, you have people to protect. I was like, you still have a duty to them to not force them. I'm like, you saw how you felt, you know how painful that was to make that choice. You fought with your wife about it. I was like, so don't put them through that thing. And I had that conversation with a lot of people. I did and I just like, but
ret. SSG Dan Robert: the whole time I was just trying to, but usually by then it was too late, they had already been in the process of chaptering guys and, I dunno, it's just so wild, man.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: It's so wild to think that like, all this happened in a three year period and while that seems like a long time for certain things man, you blew by and it was just very dense and so much stuff going on and, and other times I felt like this is never gonna end. Especially when I was waiting for the decision on my med board and if they're gonna chapter me, what was gonna happen if I was gonna lose everything. Those, it was a super terrifying time to me. I felt like I was waiting for a hundred years for them to make a decision on that. And then they finally came back and that was the way it played out. But yeah, it is a good point. Like I said, I could [01:02:00] definitely have a little more compassion at times.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Because I told them before, I was like, I didn't hold hatred in my heart for the people that did it. I was like, I hated the fact that they were forced, I just wanted you to have a
ret. SSG Dan Robert: choice. I'm like, as long as you made a choice. And I wasn't like, fine, you're on the other team now. I'm like, this isn't dodge ball. Or some you knows, just some game like that. Like it, I was just like, dude I was like, as long as you made the choice for a reason that you understand okay, I was like, and I'm just like, I hope you're good. Not trying to put it in your head. Then you rolled the dice, dude, I hope you're okay. Yeah.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: And then a lot of 'em aren't, you know, a lot of my a lot of my soldiers that were my privates that didn't make it through graduation, a bunch of them have med boarded with problems now and myocarditis problems and stuff like that. And believe me, I am the first person they find until after it happened, and they always blame it on something else, but,
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: dan, I think that's a perfect place to, to wrap it up. I truly appreciate you coming on. This is, this has been great. I, I love to, to spend time with you and, being one of the OGs in this fight, cuz you were in it long before I was. And I appreciate you [01:03:00] taking the stand that you did, being the nco, the backbone of the military that you're supposed to be.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: You're supposed to be the strength, the bravery and the courage to, and to lead above and below, right? To help those that are above you, who outrank you, tell this is the way to go, guys. This is the fight over here. And those younger than you to teach them, Hey guys, we're in a fight. You may not realize it yet, but it's over here.
ret. SSG Dan Robert: Respect for you man. Man, I appreciate that a lot. Either way, it's good to hear from you. I Appreci. Yeah. I appreciate this chance, man. Don't be, yeah, it's great to hear from you too. Danger, and I really appreciate you're still fighting, still telling our story, so thank you.
Dr. Sam Sigoloff: Just a reminder for everyone out there and due to uniform of the day, the full armor of God, let's all make courage more contagious than fear.
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