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A Marvel Rivals Podcast hosted by Coach Mills and CaptainCoach, two creator and educators for Marvel Rivals. We discuss all things Rivals including META, balance and the future of development. We will often debate controversial topics that surround the game and plan to bring on many exciting guests from pros to devs!!!
Coach Mills (00:00.424)
What's up, everybody, and welcome to a brand new Clearcoms episode. Today we are joined by four special guests, top players in tank, DPS, and support. And we're here to debate Marvel Rivals, talk about the balance and state of the game.
CaptainCoach (00:14.02)
Hold up, hold up, hold up. Mills, you're getting like a crazy echo. It sounds really like I'm hearing your voice multiple times. You might want to rest restart.
Coach Mills (00:17.895)
Is it on my end?
Coach Mills (00:21.754)
Yeah, I hear it in I hear it in Metric. I think I hear it from Metric.
mehtric (00:26.013)
should I turn down my mic volume?
CaptainCoach (00:27.416)
Yeah, it's probably someone's
Coach Mills (00:27.464)
Where how how am I hearing?
Coach Mills (00:32.392)
Maybe.
Entei (00:32.46)
Yeah, low key, he, it came through loud just now.
mehtric (00:36.015)
am I like very low?
CaptainCoach (00:37.806)
Yeah, yeah. I think your your headphones maybe or something like that is echoing and I'm he so that's why we're hearing Mills twice. That's my guess. Maybe it's mine. I don't know. I can turn my headphones.
Entei (00:38.626)
Yeah, mine.
Coach Mills (00:47.294)
Wait, wait, wait, wait, mu mute mute your mic for just a second, Metric. I just want to test it, make sure it's you before I get you to do a lot. Yeah, hello, hello. Hello. I hear me a little bit but not much.
Entei (00:58.092)
Here, let me mute real quick, make sure it's not me.
Coach Mills (01:00.466)
Yo, what's up? Hello? No?
iamsSt3v3n (01:04.824)
I'll mute out there.
Coach Mills (01:06.408)
Hello, hello? Hello? Not really. Yo yo yo. No, and yeah, it's I think I'm getting slight feedback from you, Nexus, and slight from metric too. That's I don't even know what's causing the echo. Is it like going is it picking it up from your headphones, maybe?
Nexuz (01:10.531)
Just mute next.
Nexuz (01:20.321)
Okay, let me see.
CaptainCoach (01:26.424)
I it's I don't know, I've never heard it before. It's not that bad. It's not like terrible, but it's definitely something that people are gonna notice. You guys all heard it too, right? The echo that he had?
Nexuz (01:35.149)
Yeah. I didn't hear it.
Entei (01:37.678)
It's just a little bit. I just heard a little bit.
iamsSt3v3n (01:37.803)
Right. I like as soon as you started as soon as you started talking, I just heard like a big gust of wind and then an echo.
mehtric (01:38.717)
I can't hear it, but it might be me.
CaptainCoach (01:39.79)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:45.372)
Yeah, I I maybe it's because I'm just used to hearing them all the time. It sounded like some old timey effect, like they used like a sixties movie or something. It sounded like really really cheesy. It sounded weird. Like you're you're make you sound like an alien or something.
Coach Mills (01:54.011)
Ha ha ha.
iamsSt3v3n (01:54.732)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (02:00.606)
Let me I can just run I'll just run back the intro and if you hear it again we'll we'll just we'll figure it out. Okay.
CaptainCoach (02:04.667)
Yeah, I'll let you know.
Coach Mills (02:09.256)
What's up guys and welcome to a brand new ClearComms episode. Today we're joined by four special guests, top tanks, DPS, and supports to talk about the current state of Marvel rivals, including the best and worst characters, the state of 9.5, and our feelings about 9.5 patch. And yeah, first I wanna have them each introduce themselves. Nexus, tell the people about what you're all about.
Nexuz (02:34.316)
Yo, so
I make Loki content since the beginning of the game. I am a pref or former fighter game player. I used to play Smash Bros. competitively, now I play Tokon, I used to play Street Fighter, I moved into Hero Shooters. I was a bit of an Overwatch guy, but kinda fell out of it when rivals dropped and I've hit multiple times OAA, Loki only, and then recently started playing more characters. I've played tier three, haven't played tiered one yet, but yeah, I'm basically just here for supports. So that's my side on things.
CaptainCoach (03:06.139)
Who's your main in Smash?
iamsSt3v3n (03:08.911)
Hm.
Nexuz (03:09.19)
I played a lot of Okay, I played lo I played Luigi. hold on. Hold on, hold on. I played some Luigi. I played some I played some banjo. I've had over thirty K earnings on Smash for only Ultimate, but yeah. So
Entei (03:11.393)
Say some bullshit.
CaptainCoach (03:14.115)
Okay.
Coach Mills (03:14.93)
Okay. Okay.
iamsSt3v3n (03:15.833)
I like that.
Entei (03:15.949)
That's respectable accent. It's a respectable accent. I'm not gonna lie. I'll let it slide. I'll let it slide. let it slide.
CaptainCoach (03:18.031)
Yeah, Lu Luigi's good.
iamsSt3v3n (03:27.908)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (03:28.161)
nice.
Coach Mills (03:28.525)
well. he's nice.
CaptainCoach (03:31.641)
Damn. Only ultimate. Okay, dude, that's I that's really cool actually. I might I might ask you for some tips. I play I I'm I'm a Captain Falcon one trick, just like I'm a Hulk one trick. I only play Captain Falcon. Yeah, he's fun.
Coach Mills (03:35.54)
Smash Ultimate.
iamsSt3v3n (03:37.475)
Ha ha ha.
Nexuz (03:38.551)
Yeah.
mehtric (03:38.749)
I'm a cat dog and watch.
Coach Mills (03:39.061)
Yeah, I'll cat found the one trick. I play I played I played Ultimate every day in college and I rem I still remember the week that Bayonetta came out. It was in Ultimate, right? That Bayonetta came out in that game. It was in S Mass 4. Yeah, okay. Well yeah, that's the when Bayonetta came out, like that shit was we 'cause we were running we were running tournaments throughout our like college dorm and yeah it just ruined everything. It just ruined everything.
Nexuz (03:42.274)
Falcon's nice.
Entei (03:49.933)
It was in Smash, it was the last one in Smash 4. It was Smash 4. That's BOC.
Nexuz (03:50.379)
yeah. That was
Nexuz (03:56.288)
That ruined the game.
Entei (03:57.516)
That EVO
CaptainCoach (04:04.091)
I'm hearing that echo again a little bit.
Nexuz (04:04.215)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (04:05.052)
Yeah, I know. I don't know what's causing it. It's it's gonna be a problem, I think, in post. Hello. I hear like really loud fans too. Do y'all hear that?
CaptainCoach (04:14.137)
Well two p Steven and Metric's mics are on all the time. So they're they're the it's picking up their mics, I'm pretty sure.
Nexuz (04:15.788)
I mean I see I see metrics yeah, they're
mehtric (04:22.269)
should I like we my bad my bad my bad my bad
Entei (04:23.633)
Yo! That was a dead note. that hurt the fuck out of my ears. Damn.
Coach Mills (04:24.756)
Well yeah, yeah, that's a million la that's that's max.
Nexuz (04:25.56)
Ha ha.
mehtric (04:30.865)
I gotta turn it down even more, hold on let me see, my bad y'all.
Coach Mills (04:34.364)
What what kind of mic do you have, by the way? 'Cause you you might need a Yeah, normal normally you can set like a filter on the on the bottom. You might have done that in your stream, but
mehtric (04:50.983)
Let me try and leave it come-
Nexuz (04:56.92)
Well, I do see an echo cancellation feature under mic, but we can't actually turn that on until we reset the recording.
Coach Mills (05:04.316)
Yeah, yeah. But like just for us listening to it, it's kinda it's kinda hard.
iamsSt3v3n (05:10.079)
Let me turn it on. Well I I have it turned on, I think, before we recorded. Hey, let me turn it on.
Nexuz (05:10.42)
I see.
CaptainCoach (05:25.144)
You you're streaming on Twitch?
Entei (05:29.293)
I wish this wouldn't be a bad thing to stream on TikTok and Twitch actually. Hold on, let me lock in.
mehtric (05:35.262)
Can you hear me? Yep. Is that any any better or
Coach Mills (05:36.436)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nexuz (05:37.368)
Yeah, we can hear you.
Coach Mills (05:39.87)
You sound normal now. I hope it's it stays that way, yeah, you sound good.
CaptainCoach (05:43.193)
Yeah. Sounds like a different mic or something or did something.
mehtric (05:43.346)
Okay. All right, good.
Yeah, I think I had it on the wrong setting or something. Or I don't know.
Coach Mills (05:51.028)
Yeah, and do you Stephen, all you have to do, right, is to tap your mic w to talk, right, to turn it on and off.
iamsSt3v3n (05:56.088)
Exactly. Yeah. So like maybe if if you guys wanna call me, I'll just make it easy.
Coach Mills (05:59.611)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you yeah well yeah whenever you want to talk, you can just tap it in. I think that's probably better, most likely. Yeah, you're threatening you're threatening. Threaten yeah, no. okay. All right. All right, yeah, well speaking speaking as yeah, Steve Steven, let let it let the people know exactly what you're about. who are you?
CaptainCoach (06:04.217)
Yeah, put your put your hand up above it like you're about to say something so you don't interrupt anyone. We could all do it. got the fist.
Nexuz (06:07.256)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (06:15.835)
Let me just go down the next person.
iamsSt3v3n (06:22.299)
well people know me for Steven or I am Steven, just my content creator name. I'm twenty six and I've been creating content since I was about fourteen years old. So, you know, this whole streaming content career, I've gone through the journeys of Black Ops Three, Fortnite, Dead by Daylight. Then I made my way to Marvel Rivals throughout my streaming journey and I'm not gonna make be like an ego of myself, but I know I'm the best wana player on the planet and that's where all my content is fluctuating from. I try to just be like a storyteller and just try to teach people how to play with
a bad character and just show people that you can you know, that you can reach like a high rank with it. but yeah, you know, I've just been a a streamer since I was fourteen, just still chasing the dream, you know. But for the most part people know me for just being the Wanda guy or just the best Wanda out there, you know.
CaptainCoach (07:07.141)
So what rank is the best Wanda in the world then right now?
Coach Mills (07:07.262)
That's awesome.
iamsSt3v3n (07:11.253)
So last night, last night I got off at rank two and the person who is above me, I just need to play like three more matches to pass them, but then somebody else who has like double the amount of games played, 'cause the way that Rivals Metas work is based off of rank and like games played. I'm at like fifty fifty out of a hundred of GM one and then the person above me is G is is Cell Three. but I don't know if I played like three, four games, I'll just I'll just take that right back. And I've always just been the type of person to know that I don't need a tra a tracker to prove it.
But because everybody's gotta be you know, you gotta go through the tracker and you gotta just show people like what's up, it's just I'll just hit it whatever and then just call it quits, you know? Just
CaptainCoach (07:49.115)
So you got some clips that are nice then on Wanda? Like you got some cool, like
iamsSt3v3n (07:53.348)
it's i it's not so much clips, it's more of just like te p teaching people like how to like play her differently. And what I try to you know, and I I'm sure we'll get into, you know, how to play her properly, but you know, I try to do a lot of different stuff that most wanders don't do in game, you know. So
CaptainCoach (07:59.562)
CaptainCoach (08:09.209)
Okay, yeah, I'm sure we'll get into it then. That's cool. Cool. Hell yeah.
Coach Mills (08:12.484)
I'm I'm sure I'm sure a lot of people on TikTok know you, but those the the people that are watching just specifically from YouTube and Tay, tell people a little bit about who you are and what you're about.
Entei (08:24.629)
Yo, my name is Entei, EnteiXBlaze. Just like Nexus, I came from the FGC. I played a lot of Smash Brothers, Fighters Z. Made my way over here to Marvel Arrivals content. But first, I was into Overwatch. I'm an Eternity Peak tank player. I advocate for tanks, and I usually talk about the game. I do predictions and stuff, like the overhaul, predicted that. A couple other stuff for the lore as well that I got coming out in the future just to catch the community up on what's going on lore-wise for Marvel Arrivals.
And yeah, that's just about it for me.
CaptainCoach (08:56.079)
You like the lore? Y y in the comic books or the movies or stuff before or
Entei (08:59.741)
yeah, I've always been a nerd. Full Marvel. What attracted me to this game from Overwatch was the IP itself. Like, I was like, OK, it's basically just Overwatch, but Marvel, I'd rather just play this.
CaptainCoach (09:03.29)
Yeah.
Right.
Coach Mills (09:09.316)
So who's your favorite hero, like just from from the comics or from from the movies? What's your
Entei (09:15.337)
If I'm being real, probably Miles Morales. I definitely like his comic run right now, but you you talking about heroes in general or just like, yeah, okay, got you. Right now I'm really like an absolute Batman. I'll be real. Absolute Batman is tough.
Coach Mills (09:27.156)
It it doesn't have to be Marvel. I mean it can be whatever you want.
Coach Mills (09:33.362)
fuck yeah. I've been I've been I've been heard I've been told to read that that's some one of the best comic books ever to get into. Yeah. I've heard I've heard that.
CaptainCoach (09:33.411)
Mm.
Entei (09:39.391)
it's so good. 10 out of 10.
CaptainCoach (09:39.887)
Really?
Yeah, Bat Batman's my number one. And I I haven't I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it. I didn't I don't know if it was like that popular. That's cool. I'll probably check that out then. Shit. yeah.
Coach Mills (09:48.275)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (09:51.623)
Yeah, yeah. It's not like the people say it's like the best way to get into Batman or D C comics is absolute Batman. Well, Metric. Last but certainly not least, number one Iron Man player. Tell the people a little bit about what you're all about.
Nexuz (09:56.481)
No, that's great.
mehtric (10:07.101)
Yeah, so yeah I go by metric.
I play Iron Man. I make content on Iron Man. I've been doing it for like a year and a half or whenever the game came out, I've been doing it since start. I came from Fortnite. That's where I learned how to make content. And just one thing for people that want to make content. If you want to do it, all you have to do is just be consistent. It doesn't matter if you're the best in the world or if you're the funniest in the world. You just do it and you'll attract the people that will come for you that's good for you. But
Yeah, I've been the rank one Iron Man in multiple seasons. and if you enjoy seeing a bad character in high rank, come come give me your watch, man.
Coach Mills (10:49.99)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (10:50.939)
What's the struggle?
Coach Mills (10:53.488)
Yeah. I think I think we'll talk about a lot of that. but I it it unlike Wanda, well and maybe maybe both Wanda and Iron Man, people people in higher Elo know them to be bad, but people in lower Elo might not always agree. so so go go on, go Wilson.
mehtric (11:07.581)
Sure.
CaptainCoach (11:07.651)
One one of the no, I didn't want to cut you off, but like one of the number one things I like asking people who play bad heroes is like the social element of it. Like how much of that is like convincing your teammates to play what you need and to to to make your Yeah.
Entei (11:20.589)
Pain. See you in pain.
mehtric (11:21.274)
Yeah. My my my teammates, they never they always want me to play Elsa, Bucky. They see Iron Man, they do they just think we we lost. Like
CaptainCoach (11:27.151)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (11:28.271)
Star Lord.
Nexuz (11:28.522)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (11:31.449)
Yeah. See I'd be going through that right now 'cause Hulk is ass. Like he straight sucks right now.
Entei (11:34.487)
Like I'll quite literally second that. like when I was doing my challenge, I did a blade to celestial challenge back when he was still ass. It's actual mental torture if you don't play meta in this game, especially in higher evil. You just, you just.
Coach Mills (11:35.037)
Yeah.
mehtric (11:35.598)
You know the pain, man.
CaptainCoach (11:43.259)
Yeah.
Nexuz (11:44.652)
Yeah.
mehtric (11:46.054)
Yeah, no.
CaptainCoach (11:47.258)
See you wanna hear something crazy, man? Like I so I just started playing on EU today. That server is they're so much more willing to cooperate and swap. Like I I was actually really surprised. Like it the game quality was way better. So I don't know, maybe something for everybody here since we got some off meta players, maybe maybe try EU. don't know.
Entei (12:07.213)
Yeah, I'm crying. Them EU boys don't like me, Coach. I'm not gonna lie. I don't know what I did. Them EU boys don't look good.
iamsSt3v3n (12:07.406)
I tried that last night actually.
mehtric (12:07.941)
no.
Nexuz (12:08.852)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (12:11.919)
I I feel like a trader okay, you okay, I g I get what you're saying. I get I get what you're saying. Bruh No, I don't talk either. Like they like they'll throw my shit like
Coach Mills (12:12.3)
Yeah, yeah.
Entei (12:18.022)
You
Nexuz (12:18.402)
Mm-hmm.
mehtric (12:18.587)
I would never kill it you.
Nexuz (12:21.821)
I've been in hell in EU. Like I've been in straight hell.
Coach Mills (12:22.696)
Okay.
iamsSt3v3n (12:23.819)
Mm-hmm.
Entei (12:24.173)
You
mehtric (12:26.365)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (12:27.109)
Jesus Christ.
Entei (12:28.235)
I'm to say them EU boys, they look different. They don't fuck with me. They don't fuck with me, but I ain't type type shit type shit type shit. Yeah.
Nexuz (12:32.837)
Yeah. No they
CaptainCoach (12:33.199)
That's crazy.
Coach Mills (12:33.268)
Why speaking of that, Entei, it doesn't seem like people on TikTok are fucking with you right now either. w get get the the the the self proclaimed villain of Marvel Rivals, tell us a little bit about you know, your perspective over the last couple of weeks or month.
iamsSt3v3n (12:35.382)
Mm.
Entei (12:40.916)
shit man, it just goes with the time man.
mehtric (12:42.693)
Right.
Entei (12:50.699)
Honestly, and this would be my advice to anybody that does content, you need to have a strong mental. Everybody thinks that everything that happens on the fucking internet is real. It's not real. I've been farming this shit just either for the views, the likes, and the bread that comes along with it. Niggas will hate you as fast as they love you and vice versa. I predicted the overhaul. People were like, my gosh, NT, good job, this, that, and the third, and then the very next week. It can change like that.
And like the thing is people will try to be in your comment section. I have people in my TikTok live right now, dick writing, but like all that to say, it literally just doesn't fucking matter. Just keep being you, keep pushing your content out and keep being yourself. It doesn't matter.
mehtric (13:28.977)
Fix. Fix.
Coach Mills (13:31.187)
I I did b before we move on real quick, I wanted to talk about that tournament. 'cause I know I know that yeah I I I believe it and you said it too. I think that was probably one of the worst, maybe the worst drafted team of all time. Very poorly drafted. and you know, those those of you who I don't know if y'all watched even metric, but but yeah, we Captain Coach myself and Entei all played in a tournament. And yeah, I d I don't really know what the game plan was for that drafted.
Entei (13:35.824)
yeah, for sure.
Entei (13:45.473)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (14:00.67)
team. But I did have Per Sixo on.
Entei (14:01.677)
So like, wasn't even supposed, I was not supposed to be drafted to that team either. yeah, so like I can break it down, right? So essentially Marvel Rivals is a team-based game and it's crazy that like it blew up the way that it did. Cause we were all like, fine, we're just gonna farm it and see what happens from it. But like it was the same type of people that'd be like, KDA doesn't matter to try and like spin a narrative that I was suddenly ass at the game, even though the entirety of the team was bad.
Coach Mills (14:05.351)
You were not you earned.
Coach Mills (14:28.756)
I th I'm not gonna lie, it was really funny from the outset looking in because I just remember every time we played against y'all in scrims and in the game, the only thing we ever cared to ban was your cat. Like we didn't care about anyone on your team besides your cat. So we just banned like that, yeah. And then your your hero gets banned and you get flamed for it. It's so funny.
Entei (14:39.521)
Yeah, basically.
I know. And the thing is, like, if I had my...
Like my hero gets banned, I get flamed for it. I carry in scrims, because I'm playing whatever the fuck they want me to play. If you go back and watch any of the VODs from that tournament, they're doing call-outs. Half the plays that people were flaming me for was me just following my teammates' comms. Because I play on an LMRC team. We're top 128 right now. So I know how to play in coordinated play, but that team just wasn't coordinated at all.
Coach Mills (15:05.436)
I had a Yeah.
Coach Mills (15:12.404)
We had I had Per Sixa on the pod the other day and my recommendation to him was the next round two, the next tournament, all of y'all on that team, y'all are all captains. So y'all can y'all y'all get build teams to beat each other. I think that would be really fucking setting up.
Entei (15:29.332)
no, I would have a blast with that shit, I'm not gonna lie.
mehtric (15:29.649)
That's a great idea.
CaptainCoach (15:32.763)
Well, it said you said there was like drama. Do you you got like beef with people from your old team or are you like cool now? No?
Entei (15:37.742)
no, not at all. So like, I need to like clarify that entire drama that followed was fake. We made a group chat and said, okay, look, we may be dog shit, but each of us collectively are probably some of the best content creators in the entire tournament. So we can probably farm this shit and you know, still make some good bread from it at the end of the day. So it was just like, okay, cool. Let's just take it over.
Nexuz (15:57.965)
Yeah, I saw you guys reposting it, like each other's videos.
CaptainCoach (15:58.054)
So is that like
Entei (16:00.993)
Like each of us, like, yeah, each of us were reposting each other's diss videos. Like it was literally just for content.
Nexuz (16:04.895)
Yeah, yeah.
CaptainCoach (16:05.901)
Okay.
What do you think about that, Mills?
Coach Mills (16:08.734)
Yeah, sometimes I have a hard time. I have a hard time deciphering from you know, real drama versus fake drama on TikTok, I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes it feels real, sometimes it feels fake. You know, I d I have no idea. I mean I I I don't I don't really take anything I watch on there too seriously, but you know, some people do. I don't think I know why.
CaptainCoach (16:15.107)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (16:27.147)
I agree with what you're saying though. Like you gotta have a you gotta have a thick skin when it comes to that that sort of stuff. 'Cause people are all gonna, you know, try to like get their clips on you, get their video, like you know, you gotta be opportunistic, you know, if you're gonna be making content and realize when something unique happens, even if it's not necessarily like the best thing. I like to tell people who ask me for advice on that type of thing, is like everything is content. It's just like how you choose to kinda like approach it. So I mean, that's kinda cool that you guys managed to make it make it work out in the end, you know, and and
Nexuz (16:51.67)
Yeah, for sure.
CaptainCoach (16:56.699)
'Cause you know, we've we've seen in past tournaments that that has not necessarily been the case.
Entei (17:01.751)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (17:02.1)
Yeah, well yeah, we just had we had actually we had Zaza on two two pod episodes ago. Yeah, and she still gets death threats to this day. Like every day. And and and and that's not even the worst thing. That's like the worst thing we can talk about. It's like it's actually terrible.
Nexuz (17:02.872)
Sure.
Entei (17:09.325)
Yeah.
mehtric (17:12.048)
insane.
Entei (17:16.255)
You're like, bro, that tournament was so bad because I made a take calling everybody in the situation a burger collectively. But because I didn't dick ride He Who Shall Not Be Named.
iamsSt3v3n (17:17.912)
Crazy.
Coach Mills (17:28.084)
Is is Kingsman Voldemort now? Is that what he fucking is? Is he Voldemort? Holy fuck. Jesus Christ.
CaptainCoach (17:28.653)
Entei (17:30.251)
Because I didn't dick-rut. I like being dramatic. I like being dramatic. I like being dramatic.
mehtric (17:31.782)
Mm.
iamsSt3v3n (17:34.74)
You shall not be names.
Entei (17:41.055)
But like I literally didn't dick ride him and then like I just got death threats just solely off of that. Like solely off of that. So I can only imagine what she dealt with. Like Christ.
Coach Mills (17:46.692)
that's crazy.
Coach Mills (17:51.611)
I a a weird thing, I I wanna hear if you I don't maybe you don't agree, but I I honestly feel like the rivals community, we do like I don't wanna say like police each other, but like, you know, people will call each other like corny or whatever, like in the comments and stuff, but like for whatever reason Kingsman's community is like massive and very different from the rest of the Marvel Rivals communities, like all of them. Did it just break into the mainstream too much or is it just normies?
Entei (18:12.493)
I can tell you exactly why. I can tell you exactly why. It didn't break into mainstream. It's the specific follower base that he got. And credit to him because he actually called a bunch of them out for it. Cause like, he's not a mean guy by any means. Like the dude says all the time, don't send hate, don't send hate. But he got a bunch of Asmongold stragglers in his shit now.
Coach Mills (18:30.824)
Yeah, he sees he seems nice. Super nice, yeah.
Coach Mills (18:38.316)
no, I guess.
iamsSt3v3n (18:39.414)
my god.
Entei (18:40.653)
I'm not even joking because those are the main people that reported on the shit and went to his stream so like he's got a bunch of those niggas now and it's just
CaptainCoach (18:49.231)
Well As Asmund did like a React, is that what you're saying to it? Okay. Gotcha, gotcha.
Entei (18:51.649)
Yeah, he did a reaction. Like, and it like blew up. It has like a million views on it or something like that.
Nexuz (18:52.311)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (18:53.748)
Mm. Well yeah, well that's like I I feel like the the I mean not and I'm not gonna speak to all of his fans, but like there's a lot of people there that like they don't really watch any other Marvel Rivals creator besides him. They only watch him, like and they probably would have never watched another Marvel Rivals creator if it wasn't for the whole situation. Like they brought got brought specifically to him.
mehtric (18:55.803)
I think everybody did a reaction.
CaptainCoach (18:58.008)
Right.
CaptainCoach (19:13.381)
That yeah, no. That honestly makes sense. yeah, go ahead.
iamsSt3v3n (19:15.278)
To his cr I was just gonna say to his credit and I've like I've ha I'm been lucky enough to have him like a part of like one of my tournaments. to his credit, he's like one of the you know, he he's like up there with like what what, OAA every single r you know, season with like multiple different types of characters, if it's magic and D P. So it's just to his credit, you know. It's about his playstyle so.
Coach Mills (19:30.514)
Yeah, yeah. he's insanely good. Yeah.
Coach Mills (19:38.46)
Yeah. Yeah, I mean and he started on console too and just came over and was like good instantly. Like wasn't he the rank one console player and then popped over? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it I don't even rem it's been so long ago that that's like that's what he used to be known for.
mehtric (19:45.028)
I forgot about the
Entei (19:49.806)
I got the whole history written down. like one of the main things I started off with rivals was that I would just report on everything that would happen like in the community. He hit rank one, I believe season five. And then after that, it was like just over from there. Cause then following that was the tournament and then, you know, yeah, it was all right. like Kingsman had hopped over to PC around the same time Pick and Roll did followed by Mark Deasy and a couple of other stragglers. Then Quad made the transition to.
Coach Mills (19:56.532)
Mm, okay.
Nexuz (19:57.804)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (20:08.004)
That's when he hopped over to PC, right, after that?
Entei (20:19.595)
But like, yeah, they're all on PC now.
CaptainCoach (20:21.871)
We got like the rivals historian, dude.
Coach Mills (20:23.72)
Yeah. No, I c I kinda like that.
Entei (20:24.525)
I plan on doing like a two year long video like of just recapping everything.
CaptainCoach (20:27.599)
You're like you're like Deku, you know all the hero powers. Bro's got stat sheets.
Coach Mills (20:27.748)
Of the recap Marvel the Marvel Rivals Ice. You gotta do the iceberg, you know, like the Mar you know, you seen those iceberg fucking videos that they Yeah, you gotta do that shit. That would be amazing, actually. But okay, so one of the things I wanted to ask, this is specifically to Steven and Metric, because you know we we recently had Zadza on the pod, and she really hated the we rework. She she she understands the characters more powerful, but she felt like she lost the thing that she liked about the character. I think that
Entei (20:34.049)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (20:34.53)
Right. Right.
Coach Mills (20:57.608)
Widow getting reworked has proven that Netties is willing to rework characters. They wanna rework characters, they probably will rework characters in the future. How would y'all feel about a Wanda or an Iron Man rework? What are your thoughts on it? Are you afraid of something like that happening? Are you excited at the idea of something like that happening?
iamsSt3v3n (21:16.514)
Metr metric, you want to take Iron Man first?
mehtric (21:19.228)
Yeah, I can go first. I wouldn't like a a rework for Ironman. I think he's perfectly fine. I think he just needs something to like when when Spider Man's going for you, you can't do anything. You're just a sitting duck in the air. Like
Melee heroes, they need some we need like a ability to push people off of us, you know what I mean? Or like a barrel roll, or just something for a survivability. You know what I mean? We just explode. Somebody can just look at us and we explode. So I think the damage is fine for Iron Man. everything's good, but we just need more health or just another ability that can just help us.
Coach Mills (21:42.782)
Let's go.
Coach Mills (22:01.268)
D do you think the team ups were a missed opportunity to give him something that actually like addresses his weaknesses instead of just like making him beam more?
mehtric (22:09.499)
Yeah, I think Gam gamma is not that good. they could have made Gamma way better. they gave you a bubble for like a half a second. you still die through the bubble. I think Gamma was w they fumbled with gamma. They could have made it so much better.
But with the Thor one, I think the Thor team up is really good. it helped him. One of his problems was that he had to get super close to enemies to like, you know, beam down with the uni beam and the extra range it really helped. That was just something that we needed. So yeah, I think the it w it's like fifty fifty with the with the the new team ups.
CaptainCoach (22:50.063)
Do do you think that that's the best way to address him then? You you mentioned the barrel roll ability. I was thinking something maybe like like a aerial rocket dash that gives you like a little shield or something, with or did you have something more like unique or different in mind for s like a defensive s ability?
mehtric (23:05.787)
Really anything would work. barrel roll or a dash in midair or maybe even flares replace the missiles for flares. it can block like incoming damage, you know? just just anything, anything. Even more health, twenty-five more health.
Nexuz (23:19.842)
Yeah, I was
I was gonna say that like the game kinda struggled with team ups 'cause like they introduced all these team ups, right? And they were cool, but then like let's say Hulk for instance and Iron Man, like their team ups don't actually help them at all with their matchups, like at all. Like Hulk he gets I think they have a problem with this too. Like a Groot, his team up with Mantis, all they do is like give them extra what they already have, so it just makes them more volatile. It's like, like Groot gets another wall. You know, it's not really cool, it's just throwing it in there, just something new or something extra.
mehtric (23:32.616)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (23:49.662)
Right. Yeah. At least at least the bubble one is
Entei (23:50.616)
would like to add to that too. I feel like a lot of the team ups struggle with the area of the fact that a lot of team ups are useless. Like a lot of characters only use one specific team up. Like for instance, name a singular time that you've seen any Black Panther on the Magic team up.
CaptainCoach (23:52.475)
That's a really good point.
Nexuz (23:59.82)
Yeah.
Nexuz (24:06.968)
Yeah. Yeah.
Coach Mills (24:07.698)
Yeah, yeah, it's talk shit. So that's that's a good point.
CaptainCoach (24:08.695)
Yeah. No, I I I think that raised it raises a really good point 'cause I I think a lot of the things based off of what Nexus sa said that were strong or oppressive into certain matchups, they got better at doing those things. And what we found is that the meta hasn't really changed that much. Just a lot of the like OP heroes I feel like are are a little more annoying to play against than thing. Well I mean, we could talk about that separately.
You know, like like Elsa, for instance, just like the damage, the traps are all just bigger, better. It's just it's just like too much. It's just too much to deal with.
Coach Mills (24:39.284)
Or like yeah. Or like Bucky just being like super Bucky now. He just like
Nexuz (24:40.682)
Yeah.
Entei (24:43.405)
And like, that's the thing too. Before the update, I think y'all remember this, they had actually gutted every single one of the heroes that are a problem right now. They gutted Black Cat, she was ass, they gutted Dee Dee, he was also ass, and they gutted Elsa. Elsa wasn't even a permaban. And then the rework happened, or they overhauled everything, and then like those characters just got gigabuffed because of how good their team ups are.
Nexuz (24:50.7)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (25:03.174)
Yeah. I mean we were in a good we were in a pretty good meta. We were in a pretty good meta in eight point five in my opinion. I think a lot better than the meta now, but it kinda feels like they had to push this through 'cause they've been working on it for so long. Like it might take them a while to get back into that balanced state, most likely.
CaptainCoach (25:03.705)
Right. Well
mehtric (25:04.764)
Yeah.
Nexuz (25:05.162)
Yeah, everything that was meta just came back.
CaptainCoach (25:21.253)
Kinda kinda raises interesting question though. So we we've seen that good heroes a lot of them got buffed and became even stronger. But then we have a a bad hero like like Wanda, and a lot of people say she's one of the biggest losers of the whole team up overhaul, despite being already one of the worst characters. Steven's laughing, so I'll let you take it away there.
Nexuz (25:40.288)
Mm.
iamsSt3v3n (25:44.45)
No, I don't really mean to break hearts or anything like that, but I think the biggest problem is that a lot of people just need to understand like how characters or how the game is played. Like like like all of you guys said it is a team based game.
To answer the question in terms of rework, Wanda does not need one. You know, I think every character has a skill expression for like a reason. what I always tell people that I think the biggest problem with Wanda is just it's it r she requires she has one of these kits that require like a lot of coordination. And what you have from a lot of these big Wanda content creators is just a a content barrage of solo queue experience. It's never gonna work like that because you need certain players in order just to make things work. for example, the last two days I've just been on a fantastic win streak. I think the peop the only two people who are
Above me are at like a forty percent win rate compared to mine, which is at a set of like a 70-72. And that's because you kind of have to stack along with players who are playing like Jubilee or somebody else who's gonna give you synergy. She's just not one of those characters that you can just like climb to OA because she requires it's different if you're playing any other DPS that can eventually do some you know, some eliminations on her own, are or excuse me, on their own. But with Wana, she just can't. Like you need some form of a DPS that's gonna come with you. You guys have to.
you know play together and that's the biggest problem with her kit and a lot of people just kinda hate to accept that. so that's why you have like a you probably have like a pick rate where one is just consistently being played and just solo queue and they're losing. And I think if I were to change something to be honest I'd probably give her just like an extra burst and maybe just get rid of the whole Doctor Strange team up. just try something different. I usually just like to play the the w you know play the game the way that it's played and the way that they have it. But
I think a lot of wanted means needs to stop duo stop solo queuing, find themselves a nice Jubilee or a duo and you know, you'd you'd you'd be surprised how much more of a chance you have of winning if instead of solo queuing. And that's the biggest problem I see for wanna players just trying to play the game, you know.
Coach Mills (27:42.016)
Mm. So so you think like so she you would kinda put her in like a classification similar to a character like Storm that is like a a character that plays far better with like enablers or being able to enable someone rather than just in isolation, like by themselves, right?
Nexuz (27:42.552)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (27:58.282)
Exactly. You know, she's she's unfortunately not one of those characters that can do like a lot by herself. Especially like one of the hardest things is just trying to fight off another D PS. It's hard, right? And so you kinda need somebody else, even if it's just another DPS who you're on comms with or even a support who's playing Jubilee just to give you that extra bonus, to just like make it work. A lot of people have a hard time accepting that who play these characters, but it's just the truth. You know, there's certain characters that you're allowed to push s so you know, so far for a reason. But I think with her, she requires a lot of synergy.
and qua coordination with her ultimate, with her dives. Pretty much every her every one of her abilities just requires coordination and she can't do that if she's, you know, playing solo queue. You're gonna limit yourself.
CaptainCoach (28:38.405)
So w yeah, I I just curious, what's an ideal WandaComp for you then? If you were gonna have the most success for you personally in a game?
Coach Mills (28:38.44)
So what go on.
iamsSt3v3n (28:43.944)
at least in the last two days we've been w running a comp where we ban thing Cloak and Elsa. we've been just running a a Jubilee team up just to kinda give me that anchor. then we've obviously had Magneto which is really busted right now, Hood, a little bit busted and at the DPS lineup, to be honest, it doesn't for me I never really mattered to have a specific DPS one playing with. It's just about playing together. Because if me and whoever else is DPSing focus on just like one other
DPS then it's just like a lot easier to get kills because us trying to do our own separate things it's just not gonna work out unless if you're probably playing like somebody who can just like two tap in an enemy back line or a DPS like a hello or like a Bucky Elsa those characters. but majority of the time that I'm playing I'm usually playing with somebody who's not playing like one of those meta characters. It's usually like you know maybe maybe magic at most but you know or a deadpool but I don't really you know get those
CaptainCoach (29:35.673)
Yeah.
Nexuz (29:41.303)
Yeah. I mean I think I think the six
The big thing with this game too is that there's so much characters that can just do things without needing someone else. So, like, for instance, Gambit, like he can almost just self-patty kick himself because they gave him the bubble. And like that bubble is so insane. And like they just gave like the best character in the game, like the best team up in the game. And it's just like, yeah. And then they buff his card passive healing on the same patch. So like he's getting more passive healing from his cards, and then he's also getting the bubble healing. And then I tell people all the time that
Coach Mills (29:57.621)
Yeah.
mehtric (30:00.849)
The best team of girl.
Coach Mills (30:02.438)
I fucking hate that team up by the way. I hate it.
Nexuz (30:13.848)
Like, yeah, the Mantis meta sucks, but like the difference with Mantis meta compared to like a gambit meta when he was in his prime is that Mantis like has clear weaknesses. So I tell people that like if something's meta the best time it's meta is when it has weaknesses. Like there are characters that will have weaknesses that like you can exploit. Like you see a mantis, you go full dive. Back then you saw Gambit, you just lost the game. If you didn't match it. And that's the problem is that they're making meta with no counter other than just matching it. And I think that's where the game just falls short.
iamsSt3v3n (30:44.139)
I also forgot to I also forgot to add to anyone who or anybody who's watching who loves playing Wanda, stop picking the Doctor Strange team up and just do yourselves the favor, just pick the Jubilee and you have a ten times better chance of winning. That's what that's all I gotta say.
Nexuz (30:44.245)
So
Coach Mills (30:56.58)
'cause that's that's what I want to ask you, Steven, is because I like you're making this character work and I I see that you've embraced like this adapt mindset, which a lot of people don't have. But it's undoubtable that like the character falls off. The higher in rank you go, the better the players get, the like higher you time to kill. The character starts to fall off to the point where Wanda has like a forty percent win rate or something really low in high ELO and
You know, the obvious thing if you look at that win ray and you're like, let's just buff the character, but the problem is the character has like such a like she would be completely dominant in the lower ELOs, where she she can get a lot of value for free. Do you think that some sort of rebalance of the character where you like maybe make her not get as much value at the floor, have to aim your abilities more so it c scales more naturally, so we could actually have Wanda be good in high ELO? Or do you think that she's she's just a character that you would rather just keep in this spot, even though she's never gonna be
Like in her current state, she'll never see pro play. She'll never probably be a top five hundred dominant character. Like maybe a couple of people could make her work, but you're almost actively handicapping yourself almost like a challenge, not because there isn't a better option out there.
iamsSt3v3n (32:04.343)
To be honest, I would have rather much just keep her in a spot where we don't see her and like MRC and like pro play. You know, I think let's just give the character you know, the opportunities that she has and just well, in terms of just like changing her up, I wouldn't really like change too much of Wana, because then again, you do make the great point of that in like lower ELO, she might stomp like a lot of people. She maybe in that sense in like gold or something like that, you can just run around and try to solo every DPS because not a lot of people are playing like Hello or a lot of these like meta characters unless if you get like GM or like Cell. but in this
that she's in it and then at the at the end of the day just for me personally it goes back to just teamwork. I think if you just surround yourself with people who know how to play the game and who pick the right characters, I'm not asking for everybody to play around that character, but I'm thinking maybe you get one person who just knows how to coordinate with you. If it's certain abilities it's just for flanking, is if it's just for anything, it makes playing that character so much easier because that's what her kit requires, like kinda like Storm and others that you can't you really just can't do it alone at like a certain level.
Like even me, like I'm trying to push up to cell two, cell three. but it's challenging because I can't I know I'm not gonna win a battle against a lot of the other enemies' DPS, so that's when I have to try to stick with hello on my high ground or make plays with my other duo or my trio just that way we can, you know, utilize my ultimate better. I try to play I try to, you know, utilize my abilities a bit different than most wanders, but you know, that's just that's just, you know, the way she is.
CaptainCoach (33:29.327)
What what would be your cr response to the critique that well the enemy team could also just coordinate and then because they're playing better heroes, they'd still have a natural advantage over you. So you you you you need that you basically you need people to cooperate with you more on a hero that p because of the reputation Wanda has, they're very unwilling to cooperate most of the time. So what would be your response to that? And then also like your methods to actually get people to do that if you are solo queue?
iamsSt3v3n (33:59.67)
I think people just need to have a little bit more respect and understand the character's kit. Like you're not gonna get everybody sure, maybe you might ask for some coordination, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna get the characters that you want. I'd love to have a Doctor Strange in a group and an Angela to just set up my ultimate for like the biggest four or five, six K you know, it's it's like an obvious but it's not just not always gonna happen like that. there are have been moments where sometimes I just feel like yeah, a lot of a lot of what I'm doing just like isn't working. But that's just also I just have to accept that I'm playing a character that's gonna as
every rank that I go up higher, it's gonna be ten times more difficult. You know, it'd be different if I'm playing like Bucky or like Elsa, you know, because they have a higher skill ceiling, I could eventually do more. But with that character it's just like, okay, I have to wait for everything to charge back up. I gotta come back. I can o I can't fight at a distance. I gotta fight up close, right in your face. Like, you know, there's just certain things that I have to accept and then but then again, you know, I'm always just gonna go back to just like
Just try to man, if you're not dual or tri or trio queuing with that character, man, just just forget about trying to and listen, I'm I'm a bit of a storyteller myself. There will be a day where I want to see the light and just try to take one until OAA one day. Who knows? but it's gonna take a lot for for for me or to make a character work like that.
CaptainCoach (35:08.387)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (35:14.681)
The l the look of disappointment when you're saying you just got a duo or trio queue on your face. It looked like like a dad who had just like been through like a Yeah, I got
Coach Mills (35:19.157)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (35:21.293)
Listen, and this a this is no offense to like the the the the other Wandains but it's just j just stop. Just please. Like it's just it's it's not it's nothing. No, because they solo queue and then the first thing they want to do is complain that they need a rework and it's just not. It's just you're not you can't that character is not meant to be like solo. Like you have to you need help, like and I'm okay with saying that, you know? Like it's just the truth.
CaptainCoach (35:32.443)
Stop playing her?
so okay.
Nexuz (35:42.113)
Yeah.
Nexuz (35:49.123)
feel like the devs are also really out of touch with like the balancing 'cause I mean I I play a lot of fighting games and it's a different genre, right? But like if something's like crazy broken, the devs usually cracked on in it like right away. Like
It's usually fast nowadays. But with rivals, it's like, okay, this is broken and the devs don't acknowledge it for a bit. Like for instance, Widow right now, I mean she's just running down every lobby and Net E's just let it go for the patch. Black Cat, she's running down every lobby. They couldn't care less. Like they just they they just I guess enjoy it, like character being meta for a certain amount time. It's just a mess. Like, I don't know.
Coach Mills (36:18.888)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Entei (36:28.045)
I think it's a broader spectrum that you have to remember, because they're balancing the game for future characters that are coming to the game eventually. So it's not just the balancing of the current meta that they have to worry about. They're worrying about how certain characters that will be nerfed will affect other characters that are in the patch. Just think about it, right? If you nerf all the dive in the game, eventually, okay, cool, now it's a poke meta all of a sudden. Now Hela's too broken. So now you have to nerf Hela.
CaptainCoach (36:28.219)
If you're a gambit, you'll get a buff.
Nexuz (36:48.501)
Yeah.
Nexuz (36:55.042)
Yeah.
Entei (36:55.181)
But then at that point, nerf Hela, now you gotta worry about Cyclops. Okay, Cyclops, they have to worry about Phoenix. Okay, they have another character coming at the end of the month that's gonna be a dive character. Now dive's gonna be meta again. Now they have to add another team up. There's a lot that goes into the balancing of the game, I feel. So like, even though, right, I feel like in some cases they missed the ball. Like Elsa should not be fucking meta for God knows how long. And Gambit, took them how long to nerf the character, but.
Nexuz (37:08.928)
Yeah, I agree. I yeah.
Entei (37:24.609)
I don't know. I feel like there's a lot more that goes on into balancing than we give them credit for.
Coach Mills (37:29.662)
Because Ente, like our main criticism, because we had we had Team Captain and Light on last pod, and we we we all didn't like the patch because we felt one of the same things that you did, which is we felt like there was a lot of team ups that were terrible, like a lot of team ups that were bad, and in at least from my point of view, the best way to balance going forward is to address the team ups, right? Characters that are weak, obviously you can make the team up stronger, especially the weaker of the two options, right? But not only did they like almost not touch the team ups at all.
Entei (37:45.761)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (37:59.465)
They didn't nerf any of the top performers. Like they didn't nerf like like maybe you could say that Elsa is not dominant in like the average Elo or you know Widow is not dominant in the average Elo, but like even characters like Bucky were left completely unchecked, Magneto c left completely unchecked. I don't know if they're like like from my point of view is I don't understand. Like I don't understand why though. Like where where's the logic coming from? That's like what hero could they release that justifies Elsa and Magneto staying in their current state?
Entei (38:18.229)
And that's because of the way that they balance though. So like.
Entei (38:28.309)
And it's not just that. I feel like Marvel rivals, and they've stated this multiple times on how they want to be a more casual based game, but a lot of the issues that we talk about, they don't care enough about. They don't put a lot of priority into it because they've stated multiple times that they're not trying to be an overly competitive game. They're trying to cater more to a casual player base while also trying to cater to the competitive player base so it clashes. So.
They would, you notice that when a lot of things are broken in Marvel Rise, they tend to stay that way for a very long time. And that's cause I'm guessing that the company just prefers it that way for engagement purposes. I don't know, but that was awkward.
mehtric (39:08.121)
I don't know because Iron Man got buffed and then he got nerfed two days later, so why can't I why can't Iron Man be broken for five seasons straight?
Nexuz (39:09.398)
Yeah. I I think I think he's also right.
Coach Mills (39:13.576)
Yeah yeah, they didn't have y'all instantly.
Nexuz (39:16.088)
Ha ha ha.
Entei (39:17.239)
I'll do you one better. took them how long to buff Blade and now he's like half decent. Like, trust me, it's weird all around. The company is awkward when it comes to, yeah.
Nexuz (39:23.904)
Yeah, I think I think Entei's kinda right 'cause
mehtric (39:24.527)
I don't I don't get it.
Nexuz (39:27.892)
If if you look at for instance Angie, like Angela before Dino, she was running the lobby down. Like she was crazy. And then they introduce Dino the next update and his beam just kills flyers like they just fly like they just get grounded. And then that completely killed Angela for like the entire next season. She just wasn't playable into Dino as long as he had the beam. And then they got rid of the beam, and then all of a sudden Angela was the best character in the game again. And it was just like, Alright, well, what and then after that, the
Entei (39:33.698)
Yeah.
Nexuz (39:57.759)
character they dropped afterwards was who was it? Cyclops? Yeah, who was a hit scan. so he kinda helped with Angela. So like they kind of find a way to like make a character strong and like he said, it's like future characters. So they don't really nerf at the times. Yeah, yeah. It's in waves.
Entei (40:01.343)
It was a Cyclops.
Entei (40:12.533)
It's in waves.
Coach Mills (40:16.402)
I I guess my problem comes from where if like there's one patch or like one half season or whatever where a character's very clearly very powerful, you you should just you should just nerf the character regardless of whether or not the next character is gonna counter it or whatever the case may be. Because if it doesn't, then you have two months. Well my cause like basically like as an example, right, like it if if you're really relying on that new character.
Nexuz (40:30.754)
I agree, yeah.
Entei (40:31.583)
I actually disagree slightly, but I'm going to, I'm going let you, yeah.
Coach Mills (40:42.046)
You're very, very much relying on that new character to basically keep that character in check. What happens if it doesn't keep it in check? What happens if players adapt? What happens if that character's permanently banned? Whatever. You know, like if you just hit like w what I have a problem, I don't have a problem with Black Cat's meta for one season. I have a problem with Black Cat's meta for fucking, you know, it feels like three months of b of black cat or or or you know, seven months of Gene fucking gray. Like that's what I have a problem with more than anything.
Entei (40:59.479)
FOREVER.
Coach Mills (41:07.646)
I think that creates like just just the stale gameplay loops like that keep happening over and over again. I don't know.
Nexuz (41:13.142)
Yeah, I I will say if this game did not have bands, it probably would have died. I think people would be talking about Gambit like Brig. If you had to fight Prime Gambit for two months straight with no bands, you would have quit the game. Like that that would be miserable. It'd be so bad.
Coach Mills (41:19.22)
Yeah.
Entei (41:20.365)
Facts. Facts. Facts. my god.
Coach Mills (41:28.432)
Yeah.
Entei (41:30.381)
You know what I think though?
Coach Mills (41:31.292)
Yeah, we didn't ha we didn't have we didn't have band we didn't have bands back in the day on Overwatch though.
iamsSt3v3n (41:34.537)
If you can't beat him, play
Entei (41:35.127)
I have a theory, I have a crazy ass theory, right? I think that Marvel rivals intentionally balances their game the way that they do for engagement purposes on social media. So that way when they fix the game, it suddenly is a thousand times better and a lot more people end up coming back to play it and buy skins.
Coach Mills (41:48.308)
So good.
CaptainCoach (41:56.526)
I I actually yeah, I actually agree with this. We call them PR changes here on the podcast.
mehtric (41:57.405)
That would be smart.
Entei (42:00.716)
No, cause think about it, right? The game was ass before the overhaul happened. People were complaining about the game for months. Every single issue that people had in the game, Iron Man got buffed, Blade got buffed, several characters started getting buffed. They announced the Storm skin and everything. I believe that the game is purposely put in a shitty state so that people complain and that way when they fix it, it looks better on them. But that's just my crackpot theory for the day. That's just me.
iamsSt3v3n (42:17.708)
Except Wanda.
CaptainCoach (42:27.019)
Well, I mean, think about it with remember what like a couple seasons ago they did the global alt charge nerf and we're kinda like already back to the same ch recharge rates. Like if you really think about it, like even yeah, it it yeah, you can go two, three minutes in a game where just every like there's always an alt going down at some part in a fight. Like it's crazy. Like once you get past the first minute th which in every game to me feels the best, like the first minute of every game.
Coach Mills (42:38.8)
Even more even more. It feels even more. It feels like
Entei (42:40.109)
You.
Entei (42:47.903)
Always and always. Always.
CaptainCoach (42:55.225)
And then it's just I feel like it you just it's all alts cycling through it with that the hotfix change they made after nine point and
Entei (43:01.225)
Yeah, like I didn't get to play the update because I was like, I was away on business. I was at DreamCon, but like people were telling me that Neutral felt so good. And then they just reverted it by the time I got back. So I was like, okay, so I'm still playing into Old Slop.
Nexuz (43:02.285)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (43:09.378)
it feels so good. It was so good.
Coach Mills (43:13.78)
Yeah, that never fucking can't be. Ca Captain Coach, did you see that Black Cat swimsuit skin that was released today? Or tease today? Your goon your your goon creep concept. Fucking that's why Black Cat didn't get nerfed. 'Cause the skin the skin's coming out. Yeah, yeah. You gotta you gotta sell those skins. That that that's that's
Nexuz (43:14.326)
And then they buff gambit. And then they buff gambit.
CaptainCoach (43:16.141)
They buffed Gambit. Yeah. In a in a couple of different ways too. Like
iamsSt3v3n (43:16.266)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (43:27.156)
no.
CaptainCoach (43:31.097)
That's why she didn't get nerfed. my god. You guys know what goon creep is? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Entei (43:37.291)
Yeah, I can take a guess. Based off if a character's going to get a future skin, keep them busted so that way people keep playing it and buy the skin.
Nexuz (43:39.896)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (43:46.386)
Yeah, that's the that's the idea, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you you can't
CaptainCoach (43:47.011)
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
Nexuz (43:48.323)
Yeah, I mean I I think I think story wise too, 'cause if you look at Moon Knight, Moon Knight got buffed when the hood dropped. And they're like kinda partnering in a way. So
CaptainCoach (43:59.196)
I'm sure they did something like that with like the wedding skins. I can't I can't really remember, but I think those were pretty big for him as well with Rogue Gambit. Remember I think that that's why Gambit's been good for so long, I think is that particular skin, but that's just like a like a theory. I'm not sure. Cause they they just will not nerf that guy. They just won't do it.
Nexuz (44:18.668)
Yeah, I mean they just won't do it properly, I feel like, is the issue. Like because I feel like they've nerfed Gambit's neutral so much to the point where it's like they've avoided the problem for a while. But he has been getting nerfed like so much, like way too much to the point where you if you see why they buffed him, it's because in Celestial and above, there's a time where Gambit had like a ninety percent win rate across Celestial and up, but then anywhere below that he had like forty to thirty because he was just not like a normal character, like you have to kinda understand how to play him to work and that
Just too much for support players to be honest. So they Yeah, I I don't I don't know. They grabbed his neutral and just killed it and then Yeah.
Entei (44:51.085)
I don't understand why there's such a struggle that changes Ultimate,
Coach Mills (44:54.77)
Yeah, I yeah, yeah, it makes no fucking sense, yeah.
CaptainCoach (44:56.207)
Yeah. This well
Entei (44:59.797)
His neutral is not even a problem. I would take his prime neutral and just gut the ultimate.
Coach Mills (45:05.56)
Yeah, a hundred percent. Cause I I can't play that fucking character aggressive. You have to play him like an obot. You can't risk anything. It's actually it's completely
Nexuz (45:08.108)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (45:12.441)
Yep. This this is actually something I I want to talk to you about, Nexus, which is the fact that Gambit, I I do see, despite him being very strong right now, is still getting through more than I ever have seen him get through the band phase. Do you think that is a result of a lot of other supports just being buffed to the level that they can compete with him in a normal game? Or do you th or or any hero for that matter, maybe taking up band slots? Curious to hear your thoughts on that.
Nexuz (45:13.303)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (45:35.831)
Cloak.
Nexuz (45:40.664)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (45:42.619)
'Cause I I feel like the power creep has gotten really out of hand real fast with with nine point five and and the the hot fix after nine point
Nexuz (45:43.324)
Nexuz (45:51.233)
Yes, yeah.
So I think with Gambit just getting past the ban phase, I think it's because he has more weaknesses than he used to have. on top of the fact that like he's not the best enabler anymore like he used to be. Like for instance now Ultron and Mantis, like they're so great at enabling dive. And in a weird way, there's so much strong characters right now, like black cat and widow, that like you could win a game if they aren't gambit, but if you don't have like a black cat or a widow, it just feels like it's almost just over.
if you don't have the match for it as opposed to gambit right now where it's like the gambit he can exist and he can do value but he's almost doing what other supports do but his ult just isn't as strong as what it used to be to really like he him and mantis almost have the same ult in a way because mantis can give everyone speed boost you can partially damage boost them so I just feel like right now gambit's like kind of going through band phase because you don't play against the gambit differently like you would have to against Widow or Black Cat
CaptainCoach (46:49.403)
That's interesting. so Black Cat then, Coach Mills and I, we're gonna be doing a support to eternity challenge. We're gonna duo queue in about a week here. let's say worst case scenario, 'cause I'm I'm like I obviously we're gonna be banning her, but worst case scenario, teammates wants to ban something else and we just get unlucky. Black cat gets through. We gotta we're starting to push up, get to the higher ranks. What is the best way as a duo support or and a solo to deal with that hero?
Entei (46:58.785)
good luck.
Nexuz (47:17.848)
Okay, so to start off
Coach Mills (47:18.484)
Cry, pray.
mehtric (47:18.631)
Free.
Nexuz (47:21.728)
There's nothing you can do about black cat half the time. I will say the best thing you can do is Patty Kick because you're honestly never going to kill her on support unless you freeze her on Luna. That's really the truth. You have to play with your team, but you can the best thing you can do is run White Fox and then maybe Cloak. Because White Fox use the Black Cat team up and it just slows Black Cat and it heals everyone in the vicinity of you. And then Cloak will just never die to Black Cat. So the thing is what a lot of support players don't understand is you can't fight back. You have to just live. What a lot of support players will do.
Coach Mills (47:24.318)
Yeah.
Nexuz (47:51.595)
Do is they'll to kill the black cat and then resulting they'll let their team die and then also just die themselves. So if you don't play to live, you'll just die. Yeah, you have to play to live. Yeah, what's up?
CaptainCoach (47:56.944)
Yeah, I I feel like that's good advice. Yeah
Entei (48:00.13)
I actually have a question for Nexus. Would you say that as a support player, would you say that White Fox is good this season or no?
Nexuz (48:11.369)
I I think you Yeah, I would say she's pretty strong, but I think honestly in cases Spider Man's probably a lot more oppressive than she is because of the pool.
but I will say against Black Cat it's like you can play against her the same way you could play against other divers and live because she goes in, she eye frames and stuff, but the iframe will only ever matter if you're trying to kill her. As a support, when you see black cat, you just have to patty cake because you're never gonna actually go to kill her. Because like I play Loki and kind of playing Loki into Black Cat's kind of feeding, but I can't kill her on Loki. There's never a world where I actually come out and kill Black Cat. So I just decide to ignore it so my other support to look at me and we just completely
destroy her character or her point of existing but no i i use a hella team up i i use a hella team up so
Coach Mills (48:54.46)
You don't you don't c you don't copy the Bucky and then Hooker or no I'm just k I'm just kidding. I fucking no Yeah yeah, I I I I I love watching you go for these fucking crazy ass plays with the Helitiva, bro. It's actually so fun.
CaptainCoach (48:57.881)
I I
mehtric (49:01.157)
Mm.
Nexuz (49:07.35)
Yeah, my my team throws for it though. Like the other day I had Saibay tell me to swap off like over and over and over and over again. He's like, You're on the wrong team up. You're on the wrong team up, you're on the wrong team. I like, bro, just leave me alone. I just wanna play my character, bro. And he's like, You're on the wrong team up, you're on the wrong team up and there's a guy that wouldn't walk out of spawn until I swap the team up and I'm like, bro, like it's it's not that big of a deal and the team up is good. The enhanced hella team up is good, but no one knows about it. It's really underrated. So
CaptainCoach (49:33.286)
So you you mentioned then knowing to not deal damage to a black cat, have your goal be to survive. What would your advice be then to other support players trying to climb to know when to actually go for damage? Is it just strictly matchup specific or is it like a game feel type of thing as well? Like what is the prime factors that cause your decision making to be attacked?
Nexuz (49:39.928)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (50:02.137)
rather than just heal bot the team.
Nexuz (50:04.15)
Yeah, so
It really depends on your cooldowns and the ability you have to playmake. Obviously it's like character dependent, but let's say I'm I'm like on Loki and we're just sitting main for a while, nothing's happening at all. We we're basically just like sitting there waiting for something to happen. So what I'll do is I'll call out to my tank or you know, whatever diver. I'll say, Hey, like let me know when you're gonna hit and then from there what I'll do is I'll go TP on an off angle where I can still see my team. And then what I'll do is I'll place runes and then after I place runes, then I'll go do damage because I'm aware that my team
won't die in the runes and I'll be able to help my DPS out at the same exact time. Same way with like I guess Luna, what I'll do, I'll put I guess Flake on one of my teammates. I'll go hit the snowball and if I miss the snowball then I'll actually just go back. Because then at that point I'm just playing for a chance rather than a guarantee. So I think it's a lot about guarantee versus chance on support. And a lot of support players will sit there 30 seconds in the back line, try to shoot someone, miss all their shots and still still they're still there doing the same exact thing.
CaptainCoach (50:51.609)
Right. Right.
CaptainCoach (50:57.209)
Right. Yeah.
Nexuz (51:05.995)
and not getting the value, so it's really just guaranteeing things. So
CaptainCoach (51:09.229)
Right. Like I feel like there's a risk reward logic to certain things and like when you're weak you play farther back and when you're strong you play farther up and I think a lot of supports tend to struggle with that and seem to play in like the same spot a lot of the time.
Nexuz (51:20.438)
Yeah. Yeah. I think the reason why they struggle against dive is because they all just play in the same exact spot. Like when the divers walk past a certain area, they already know where to expect the supports at. Like they just know exactly what situation they're gonna be in, where exactly on the map they'll be, and that's the biggest problem is that the divers never have to look for the supports. That's the biggest issue with support players. They just go the same place against the same exact comp. They could change the comp and they'll still play in the same exact spot. So
Coach Mills (51:23.945)
I ya
Coach Mills (51:51.059)
I I have a question for Metric. so a long time ago, back in the beta, I used to play Iron Man. I was like that was the first character I picked up. Very quickly I realized I wasn't built to play Iron Man. I maybe a combination of the character being what I thought trash, or maybe I was just not good. so I dropped that character, but you have consistently dominated with that character. You get consistent top five hundred every single season in eternity lobbies, playing against pros. How do you make a character that a lot of people, you know
think is weak, or at in high ELO they think is weak. How do you make that character work? How do you how do you find success?
mehtric (52:25.981)
it's really just I put in so many hours, I just know what works and what doesn't. I'm not forcing Iron Man into quadruple hit scan, you know what I mean? Like I'll I'll I'll like swap off when whenever it's needed, but sometimes you just know whenever like a Punisher he's just not gonna kill you or you could just play cover on some maps. You just know certain maps and certain team comps, you just know when it's gonna work. But
Coach Mills (52:37.136)
Right.
mehtric (52:54.107)
Yeah, it's just playing natural cover, focusing more on the DPS that's trying to kill you. Because I feel like the biggest thing, the biggest mission if you play Iron Man is to stay alive. so if you could just stay alive and outcycle the the other DPS on the other team, like you can you can dominate. Just stay alive and that's it. Just focus on staying alive. That's basically it.
Coach Mills (53:20.702)
We need to get you in on some of these these tournaments that are coming up. Like I I haven't seen you in a lot of creative tournaments, but it would be sick. It'd be really sick to be to have you in a tournament.
mehtric (53:26.332)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (53:28.374)
Lot a lot of big creative tournaments coming in soon. A lot of big ones.
mehtric (53:29.405)
Yeah, I would love to join some.
Yeah, I'm trying to get into something.
Nexuz (53:34.477)
Metric, I actually have a question for you. So do you do you think that Ironman being meta would be like bad for the game? Or like do you think it'd be good? Like what are your thoughts on Iron Man ever potentially being meta?
mehtric (53:45.973)
Yeah, I think Iron Man being metal would be bad for the game, honestly. he does stomp like low elo. We know that people can't look up, hailers can't look up. I think he would be bad. But I do think he still needs I think he should be able to be played in every rank just better. You know what I mean? Like one above all, he should have something to help him.
Nexuz (53:57.6)
Hm.
Coach Mills (54:07.806)
Wait Wait Wait, what in it what is it inta what's up?
iamsSt3v3n (54:12.278)
Or should I say the same?
Entei (54:12.363)
I'll do you one better. He was meta and that shit sucked. I remember season zero and season one. All you would do is perma flank on that guy and you would just perma be in back line. You just couldn't kill his ass, especially with the strange team up. She was annoying as hell. I hated it. I don't give a damn. It is a necessary evil that that nigga remains ass for the duration of Marvel Rivals lifespan.
Coach Mills (54:16.677)
yeah.
CaptainCoach (54:17.907)
yeah.
Nexuz (54:19.256)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (54:22.435)
Yeah.
That was like
Coach Mills (54:26.138)
So so I I that my my I w well that that that that it makes it makes me wonder is like I don't even think Iron Man at that power level would be meta again in this with like like just just from Spider Man players being better alone, like think about how ass Spiderman players were in season zero. Like they could not threaten you the same way they could threaten you now or Angela's or whatever.
mehtric (54:26.147)
Yeah. That was years ago though. It's so many things to counter arm it now.
Nexuz (54:38.92)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (54:42.575)
Nah.
mehtric (54:53.137)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Coach Mills (54:53.928)
But that but y that's a good point, Ante. Like I do remember Gamma Meta. That shit was fucking cancer. Well
Entei (54:57.323)
I promise you, you guys think, I promise you they buff his dip. Listen, I'm probably the only one that agrees with the Iron Man nerf. Because, no, I listen, listen, listen, listen. Listen, I'll take that on the chin. I'm the only one that agrees with that Iron Man nerf. Because what that Iron Man nerf essentially did when they nerfed the range on the Thor team up too as well, Iron Man enables a very cheesy ass play style if he's strong.
mehtric (55:07.001)
No. He does not he did not need the nerve. He did not need the nerve.
Coach Mills (55:08.199)
yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (55:08.524)
Nexuz (55:26.402)
Yeah, I agree.
Entei (55:26.857)
A very cheesy ass play style. And so I guarantee within a week of Iron Man being like good, you would see people complaining for him to get nerfed. Guaranteed. And that's just because of the way he's designed. His design is shit.
Coach Mills (55:38.313)
I my my my thing about like I don't understand how we're scared of Iron Man in like a world where like like back then like Bucky couldn't ground on his E, right? Like now Bucky grounds on his E. He shoots fucking, you know, watermelons as gun like as as bullets. Like a very easy character to get crazy value with. Like I I don't know. I feel I feel like like I just don't think that Yeah.
mehtric (55:38.705)
Yeah, for sure.
CaptainCoach (55:39.322)
Yeah.
mehtric (55:47.634)
Right.
Entei (55:59.192)
You'd be surprised. You'd be surprised that the slightest buffs, the slightest change to a character can make them Thanos. And that goes for every single character in the game.
Coach Mills (56:06.532)
No, I mean I mean I mean we we have the fucking hood, we have tank but like a lot of people just refuse to adapt in my opinion. There's so many good tanks into flyers. There's
mehtric (56:16.125)
There are so many things that counter Ironman.
Entei (56:16.553)
Actually, I want to flip it on you now real quick. I have a question for you because I have this I have this opinion, right? I've been talking about this for months, but I am of the opinion that a majority of the Marvel Rivals community just hasn't learned the fundamentals of the game in the entire time that the game's been out. Like in terms of like Overwatch fundamentals, like I feel like everybody just hasn't learned to play the fucking game.
Coach Mills (56:32.657)
yeah, I agree. A hundred percent.
iamsSt3v3n (56:34.036)
That's fair. That's fair.
Nexuz (56:34.316)
Yeah, I mean it's mainly support. Yeah.
Coach Mills (56:36.166)
yeah, no, I agree. Well, I I I the the game the game doesn't force you to learn those fundamentals to climb. Like at all. I on for better or for worse, but they just don't fucking like you you w when when you have really powerful ultimates that can override all the mistakes you made up to that point, none of it fucking mattered. or when you have people that don't they like like what you'll see a lot in ranked also is like you
iamsSt3v3n (56:44.916)
That's fair.
Entei (56:45.931)
Okay, gotcha. I just wanted to see where you guys fit on that.
Nexuz (56:47.158)
Yeah, I I agree.
Coach Mills (57:02.248)
Teams will that are really aggressive and like win the fight in the early stages, your team doesn't take the space. So the opponents get ults first and then they just ult back and kill you. And you just lost a fight that you were winning the whole fucking fight, but no one knows how to set up for like that advantage that you created. Like it just doesn't exist. It just gets overridden.
CaptainCoach (57:19.545)
Well th th there there is a skill to that though, no? Like playing torture comp.
Coach Mills (57:22.534)
No, there there is but I'm just thinking people don't learn it. Like people don't learn it. The people that like like no one's on either side, no one's learning it. People don't understand
CaptainCoach (57:26.019)
Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (57:29.708)
Instead of le instead of learning it's called people asking for a rework.
Coach Mills (57:33.032)
No
Nexuz (57:34.422)
Ente, I I gotta I do have something to say about your your argument though. so you were saying that like you know Iron Man meta was terrible, right? But like you gotta remember there was no tank that could deal with Iron Man or any flyer back then in those seasons. Like your best bet was strange. That was really it. That was your only character. yeah.
Entei (57:38.189)
All right, got you. Hit me, hit me.
CaptainCoach (57:52.358)
Hulk too was was good, like the the thing you there were a lot of Hulk mirrors. That's why Hulk got banned so much back then. It sucked.
Coach Mills (57:55.167)
Well yeah, well he wa well he was part of the fu he was fucking part of the meta 'cause he gamba 'cause he had yeah, 'cause of gamba. I remember, yeah.
mehtric (57:56.028)
Yeah.
Nexuz (57:58.645)
Yeah.
Yeah, but there was no character that could answer to the Flyers on Tank at least. And support too, to be honest, cause you really just had Luna and Invis, but Invis couldn't do any real damage to Iron Man. There was just not really options back then to like contest the Flyers as opposed to now where it's like you have so many different characters that could contest it, especially on Tank. And back then you just had nothing to do. But the thing about what Metric's saying is that like yeah, Iron Man could have been Meadow for at least a season, 'cause like yeah, they nerfed him because they were
scared but I mean we've been scared about Black Cat and Elsa for like almost half a year at this point and they're still just running the game down, so I don't know.
Entei (58:36.827)
yeah, there's definitely bias when it comes. I think there's a character bias when it comes to like certain characters being more busted than others in the meta for sure. But now I have a question for you, right? We say that there are lot more characters to deal with flyers. Nexus, do you think that Prime Torch excels in this meta at all? Or do you think he just, you think he's just ass at that point?
Coach Mills (59:02.804)
I mean car car torch is pretty fucking good, to be honest with you.
Nexuz (59:04.072)
iamsSt3v3n (59:04.458)
I I was just playing with Delta yesterday.
Nexuz (59:07.766)
He he probably would excel, yeah. He probably would excel. I'm okay. I'm remembering that character, he probably would excel. I I would say so.
Coach Mills (59:15.048)
Mantis Ultron Pri Prime Torch? With none of the team ups, none of the team ups, just like just like his old his old version?
Entei (59:18.637)
Prime sword?
mehtric (59:19.067)
I I feel like
Nexuz (59:19.148)
Yeah, he probably
CaptainCoach (59:19.887)
That y you talking about the the movement tech and all that stuff? Like is that what we're talking about? 'Cause I feel like torch is better now, no?
Entei (59:25.121)
I'm talking about full Prime Torch, full Prime Torch, animation canceled, still in the game, everything that he had back then.
Nexuz (59:25.612)
Yeah, just torsion is prime.
mehtric (59:25.841)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (59:31.186)
yeah, it'd be fucking cancer. Yeah, it'd be cancer. It'd be I mean mantis ultron, it'd be cancer. I you don't think so? You don't think so? okay, okay. How is how was okay so yeah.
CaptainCoach (59:31.248)
Right.
Nexuz (59:37.494)
Yeah, I agree. He'd still be broken.
mehtric (59:39.151)
Yeah, yeah.
Entei (59:39.797)
No, I fully believe it, I fully believe it. I'm saying that in the same way that obviously the Torch players would just adapt if Torch was in his prime in this instance. I feel like with Iron Man, they would find another way to play him. That would still be just as good.
iamsSt3v3n (59:43.18)
Less than yeah.
Coach Mills (59:54.505)
Well my my my thing is like I Iron Man just he never had that survivability. That's my problem with Torch is the survivability. Like like that was the cancer part. Now now granted we never played a fucking Iron Man Gamma meta when Invis could pocket that motherfucker, because that would be also cancer. And Ultron wasn't in the game either, which would also be cancer. Like to to speak to like that's there's a lot there is there's yeah, that's a good point.
Nexuz (01:00:09.932)
Yeah, yeah, that would
CaptainCoach (01:00:12.473)
Yeah, I
Entei (01:00:14.445)
Cause like I'm thinking about, cause like the same way that y'all are saying that there are other characters to deal with the Iron Man, there are also several characters in the game now that can enable the Iron Man. Like, is he, is Nexus good? Wait, what happened?
Nexuz (01:00:23.001)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:00:23.356)
That's a good fo okay.
Coach Mills (01:00:29.49)
Your argument was too good, it fucking it zapped him. No, he'll be he'll Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:00:29.684)
Probably just gonna say
CaptainCoach (01:00:32.281)
He got ganked by Black Cat.
Entei (01:00:32.531)
Yeah, like I was saying, right? Like, imagine this, right? You give Iron Man a buff. Suddenly you put Flake, Drone, and pocket Iron Man the entire game. He out damages the entire lobby. I've had games where like, like Iron Man, One Tricks, I think I've seen Metric have a really good game with like 70 kills way back in the day. Obviously, Vergy, I know he's taken the character to one above all. Like, I feel like if people actually take the time to learn the character, which is something that I also have a problem with.
A lot of people in Marvel Rivals don't know the potential of other characters because they do not play them at all.
CaptainCoach (01:01:07.419)
I don't know, man. Like Iron Man just seems so clunky to me. Like I feel like it's a season zero hero trying to make make it work in season nine. Yeah.
mehtric (01:01:11.282)
Yeah.
mehtric (01:01:14.684)
Yeah, he's super, super outdated. Super outdated. It's so hard to hit a maximum pulse. Everyone has a a dash or a jump. Invisible, shield, magneto. It's so hard to get value with Iron Man at higher ELO that is ridiculous.
Entei (01:01:22.443)
Magneto is fucking best in slot.
Coach Mills (01:01:24.26)
Yeah, yeah, fucking Mag. Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:01:30.156)
Yeah man. You know, trying to get value with, you know, bad carriages bad carriages is pretty hard, man. It's pretty hard. It's pretty hard, man.
Coach Mills (01:01:30.544)
It don't try to dive in. that th that that you're going, Captain?
mehtric (01:01:34.269)
Yeah, it really is. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:01:36.494)
Well yeah, you Yeah, they I mean they have the unfortunate circumstance of of playing like an early designed hero. Like like I I feel like a season zero hero that was S tier is like just probably be like D tier now, just based off of like power levels alone. And then you talk about the actual design of the the heroes and they're super outdated.
Entei (01:01:55.159)
but that's what the team should have been for.
Coach Mills (01:01:58.175)
Yeah, that is what the team up should have been for. A hundred percent.
Entei (01:02:00.246)
Like I've made videos on this, team ups should be the counter play that stops the hero from needing a rework, that keeps them in the current meta. The team up is good on an older hero, that means that they don't have to be reworked. They could just be played. They are another option aside from the meta.
Coach Mills (01:02:15.678)
Yeah. Yeah. I like I I'm I really criticize all the team ups that just increase the effect of an ability that already exists. Like I talked about that with both the strange team ups, the the Ironman team ups. Like, why didn't they give him an ability? Like, why can't you like the like the barrel roll you're talking about? Perfect opportunity to give you some type of playmaking. I also think buffing him in that way where you could like
iamsSt3v3n (01:02:15.82)
Well they didn't give me that so I guess I'm cooked.
Nexuz (01:02:33.976)
Yeah.
mehtric (01:02:35.034)
Exactly.
Coach Mills (01:02:41.032)
You know, you could movement outplay a DPS that takes skill. That's much better than just bumping stats, and then you're less likely to end up in these toxic metas.
CaptainCoach (01:02:46.223)
But what w wouldn't you say though? yeah. okay, sure. Like with with Iron Man though, like the w hi he is like very cinematic. Like some of the best clips, most popular clips you see for for rivals are just like Iron Man all it's in slow motion going going towards a full team with a strange portal behind him or something, right?
Entei (01:02:49.161)
If I had to... yeah, you you first, you first.
Coach Mills (01:03:00.964)
Yeah. I see that fucking that tick to there's a t there's a guy on TikTok that just he he shoots it across the map. Yeah, he shoots Iron Man O from s to s yeah, to small camp. That shit is fire. You need to pull that off in a game in rank game metric. You gotta practice that shit. You know, you you you have that you have to you have to count the timer, the respawn timer for the guy that's gonna port. If you do it, you could you could pull it off. I know you could pull it off.
iamsSt3v3n (01:03:03.606)
What's that one guy? Th th there's this one guy who does that.
mehtric (01:03:08.475)
Yeah, the real A G D.
CaptainCoach (01:03:08.741)
So right. So so maybe Well
Nexuz (01:03:09.696)
yeah, yeah.
mehtric (01:03:15.313)
That's imp impossible, bro. Impossible.
Entei (01:03:16.257)
Like if I had to change one thing about Iron Man.
mehtric (01:03:24.017)
You could try it. You I I mean, I could try it. I could try it.
Coach Mills (01:03:26.782)
I think you could do it. I think you could do it.
Entei (01:03:27.829)
If I had one thing I would change about Iron Man actually, I would change his ult. I feel like that's the weakest part of his kit. He's a decent, he's a de- I would change his ult. I would give him the Hulkbuster.
iamsSt3v3n (01:03:27.904)
Well say I think
Nexuz (01:03:34.148)
Yeah, it's super outdated.
mehtric (01:03:34.915)
No. The wor the worst part of Iron Man's kit is the self-cc. Like when the armor overdrive disables, you're like just self-cc'd. For no reason. Like remove the
Entei (01:03:44.592)
yeah, that shit also sucks. I'll speed that up.
Coach Mills (01:03:46.023)
yeah, that's looking cancer.
iamsSt3v3n (01:03:48.628)
I will say I think I think there's something fun about like
telling a story by trying to play like a bad character or j a character that isn't played a lot. And I think there's and I think that's where like the content, like the community comes in, because that's like when you have people behind you because if people really wanted to learn characters like Black Cat and Bucky and all of them, I think, you know, they they could obviously. But I think there's something more fun about the challenge and like the difficulty of trying to make something hard and try to look like decent or at least like meta, you know, in in some terms. Like
CaptainCoach (01:04:18.319)
Yeah.
Tell that to your teammates.
Coach Mills (01:04:21.808)
Yeah. I mean y'all y'all bas y'all three do that metric Steven and Nexus. Nexus is playing a playing a team up that makes pros crash out, I guess. But yeah, like like that I like sometimes sometimes the way you win matters, you know. Like can you really sleep at night when like you won five games that day if it was all with Elsa ults? Like like can you really look at yourself in the mirror? I don't think so. okay and t yeah, go on, go on, you're gonna say
iamsSt3v3n (01:04:25.173)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:04:27.013)
Uh-huh. People could be saying, GG, we lose. That's what they're be saying.
Nexuz (01:04:29.826)
Yes.
mehtric (01:04:33.127)
Mm-hmm.
Nexuz (01:04:33.517)
Hahaha
mehtric (01:04:42.076)
Yeah.
Nexuz (01:04:45.464)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:04:47.335)
I I I I just
No no go ahead no I just I did want to add that next month you guys are probably gonna see something a bit interesting. you know, I've been I'm already hosting my four my fourth tournament in about like four days and Nexus is actually gonna be there competing with your boy Abel who's hit rank one Loki and rank one game of every single season and Nexus knows. so I don't know if you guys were familiar with like the Spidey showdown that recently just took place. So next month we're gonna most likely see like a Wanda exclusive tournament.
Nexuz (01:05:08.452)
you
iamsSt3v3n (01:05:19.181)
So and listen Huh it's not gonna be
Coach Mills (01:05:19.644)
Is it like t is it like duos? Like duo is it like duos? Is it just like the spider one? Or how does it work?
Nexuz (01:05:20.792)
Now that would be tough.
iamsSt3v3n (01:05:24.495)
We me me and you know, Arya and them are still working on a format. we're thinking about like a six V six style of course. You possibly have the big creators choose from like six one OTPs for they they have to choose first. Like their first pick has to be a one OTP or creator. we're possibly thinking about maybe having the wanna creators be team captains and then choosing their teams. but it is g it is gonna happen. Yeah, next month.
Coach Mills (01:05:39.272)
Okay.
Coach Mills (01:05:45.397)
Dude. Coach, you should that that should fucking have already happened. A Hulk one. That should have already happened. Yeah, where where where where the Hulk mains are all the captains and they draft. Just normal players and then like Hulk doesn't get to be banned. Everything else can be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every every no one gets you don't get to swap off a Hulk no matter what. Everyone has to play it. That'd be sick.
CaptainCoach (01:05:53.487)
a Hulk one? yeah.
mehtric (01:05:54.576)
that would be fire too.
CaptainCoach (01:05:58.588)
That'd be cool.
S a celebration of Hulk, celebration of Wanda.
iamsSt3v3n (01:06:05.075)
That's it.
CaptainCoach (01:06:09.381)
See, Hul Hulk one V ones are the best. I I'd me like Spider Man Hulk, those are the best one V ones, so it would be it'd be interesting.
iamsSt3v3n (01:06:09.535)
The top.
mehtric (01:06:11.217)
That would be fire.
iamsSt3v3n (01:06:14.911)
Like that that works.
Like that works and the toughest part that we're having is obviously stipulation because I can't even they agreed, I can't do a two v two in with Wanda. It's just not fun. Like there's there's no damage output, there's no combos, it's slow, nobody wants to watch that. But if you make it something unique where there's a unique stipulation, maybe one person can't switch off that character, maybe you do a stipulation where they play certain characters that offer her team ups or something like that, then it could be interesting as well as with like casting and a big prize pool. but that's the toughest challenge that we're having.
CaptainCoach (01:06:25.083)
Mm.
Coach Mills (01:06:26.482)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:06:46.381)
But it's happening though, so
CaptainCoach (01:06:48.335)
You have a a name for the tournament? You should call it best of the worst.
Coach Mills (01:06:52.882)
Okay.
Nexuz (01:06:52.9)
Coach I actually got something to tell you so there's a while back because you you captain coach back then I used to watch you a lot for Hulk And like I learned quite a lot and then one day I got a friend request from Captain coach I said captain coach so I was like, holy shit I just got added by captain coach like this is insane right and then like he's playing he's playing a Hulk and I was like
iamsSt3v3n (01:06:53.405)
So
CaptainCoach (01:06:58.565)
W which one? Okay. Yeah.
Shit.
CaptainCoach (01:07:10.716)
yeah, that's not me.
Nexuz (01:07:20.59)
He's kind of throwing my games. Is this him? Is this him? And then like, he's like, maybe two months later after I stopped queuing with him, I thought it was you for two months straight. He was like, Hey, am I like, I'm not the real one. And I was like, there's no way you threw my games for two months straight. And then tell me you're not the real captain coach. So I had, it was.
Coach Mills (01:07:22.696)
Ha ha ha.
CaptainCoach (01:07:23.131)
Ha ha ha.
CaptainCoach (01:07:31.419)
Uh-uh.
CaptainCoach (01:07:39.141)
What you do it with him? You do it with him?
Coach Mills (01:07:41.702)
Yeah, yeah he yeah, he were dealing with him quite a bit, yeah, and rank.
Nexuz (01:07:45.476)
Yeah, it was like a guy. I don't remember his name. and then I saw your video later on about it I saw your video and I was like, bro. I didn't know this is real. but
CaptainCoach (01:07:46.253)
No way. Bro.
CaptainCoach (01:07:54.608)
Wait, that's wait, so he he pretended to be me so he could get a a quality support player to duo with him? No way.
iamsSt3v3n (01:07:54.624)
Nexuz (01:07:58.039)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was like, Hey, Nexus, I love your content. And I just pretended to be coached so that I can like get into your games or whatever and play with you. And I was like, bro, like, this is insane. No, you're good. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah. But I wanted to ask you, how are you even playing Hulk into Elsa? Like, I have to know what do you do?
Coach Mills (01:08:09.588)
That's fucking crazy.
CaptainCoach (01:08:10.561)
I'm so sorry that happened. Well, hey, we'll we're gonna run some then now. The real with the real one. okay. Shit, man.
iamsSt3v3n (01:08:14.367)
We did you check his account at least?
CaptainCoach (01:08:25.891)
Yeah. Well, I yeah, she's yeah, she's probably my t top ban, but I so y you basically everywhere you go, you never contest her if she's s off angle. If she's off to the side, just leave her be. And you just whenever she gets close, you you just you just try to land a crazy stun and set up some burst on her and make her panic. That's that's really it. So anytime you you have to be like mindful where she's gonna put traps. And like the bad Elsa's they'll like throw or like randomly anywhere, but the good ones actually know to put in chokes like
Nexuz (01:08:54.69)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:08:54.917)
hold the hold the area and stuff. So when I see them doing that in some ways, like I actually struggle more with the bad elses, believe it or not. Because Yeah, like Hulk Hulk has a gameplay loop that's basically you can do whatever you want guaranteed, but it's only in short bursts. So against good players, when I can predict where they're gonna put traps, I will just guarantee like I I could for for instance, like Hulk V V penny is really not that bad. I can go and challenge the penny traps by myself, easily kill them at any time. It's when
Nexuz (01:09:01.978)
It's unpredictable.
iamsSt3v3n (01:09:02.557)
Well.
CaptainCoach (01:09:23.247)
They get help from other people when I'm going to do that, that it's not so so I I go in with like a shield, do my immunity. like the trap didn't pop up or whatever. You know, then I go out. Like I but it's the bad ones are really what I struggle with most. It's about tracking her all is the big thing. So I I just like focus on tracking her all and I always I just I treat her like she's a raid boss and I stay away. And and and and it's it's really like all you can do. She's very tough.
Nexuz (01:09:32.545)
Yeah.
Nexuz (01:09:44.76)
Yeah, that's fair. Okay.
iamsSt3v3n (01:09:49.932)
I do have a fun question for you guys because I'm kinda just like curious. I already know how I feel about it. but are there like certain creators that you guys are aware of that play the same character that you guys main that you sometimes you guys feel like I would whoop his ass if I ever face him or something like that? Or or or may or or maybe or maybe you give them props or that you think they're better than you, or maybe you already know you're the best kind of thing. You know, have you guys ever had those moments with any creators or know of any?
CaptainCoach (01:10:04.269)
Yeah.
Nexuz (01:10:15.972)
The metric can go first to be honest, I don't know if there's any Iron Man players.
mehtric (01:10:17.649)
I mean, there isn't yeah, there really isn't any other Iron Man content creators. Nah, it's not even like that, bro. But nah, shout out to
iamsSt3v3n (01:10:22.247)
Yeah, talk that talk, Metric. Come on, man.
Coach Mills (01:10:23.39)
Yo, he's back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're good. I think so. yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait. Steven, repeat that question so Ente can hear it too. That's a good question.
Entei (01:10:28.388)
I I have the perfect, Jesus.
Nexuz (01:10:28.6)
You're, yeah, you're good.
mehtric (01:10:30.001)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:10:33.321)
Yeah, so Anse, I'm pretty much just asking everybody i if there's like a cre or if there are like multiple creators that they know that play the characters that they main, that maybe you just feel like you're better than regardless of how they play that character, or maybe you might know a creator that you think is better than you, or you're just the best out there.
Coach Mills (01:10:48.158)
Like I like I are you the best cat player on TikTok? Yeah.
Entei (01:10:51.484)
Me? I'd say so, yeah. I'd take that I'd take this shit to eternity. I'd dift every single cat player that's on TikTok, respectfully of course. But like, you know.
iamsSt3v3n (01:11:00.128)
Mm.
Nexuz (01:11:00.804)
I mean bro the only other creator Loki is Saipa so I mean I don't know bro
Entei (01:11:05.712)
Like think like who all like who other like who else plays Cav? Like who else plays Cab? Curry? Curry doesn't make content on TikTok though. Curry comes back like once a month though. Like whenever like the season first drops and then he dips off.
Coach Mills (01:11:05.8)
That that motherfucker does not count. Bro, you know, and I th I I'm not gonna lie, that Sai Saipe Saipe is not human, bro. He's he he's he's not
iamsSt3v3n (01:11:06.995)
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa.
mehtric (01:11:09.509)
Mm-hmm.
iamsSt3v3n (01:11:12.319)
What about curry?
Nexuz (01:11:13.858)
Like, what do you want me to do about that, bro?
iamsSt3v3n (01:11:16.159)
He he doesn't? Okay.
Coach Mills (01:11:21.364)
Yeah, I don't know why he doesn't make content consistently. He's just gone.
iamsSt3v3n (01:11:21.705)
Nexus Nexus, what about Abel though?
Entei (01:11:24.112)
I mean it's it's probably burnout. Like I wouldn't want to like consistently Gay He was he was like pipe pioneered cab doubt he did from rivals, he just like dips the fuck out. I don't see nothing wrong with that. He got his bag.
Coach Mills (01:11:26.248)
Fuck burnout. Just just play the game. Play the fucking game. Play the game. I I feel like that there have been a few people that have been burnt out. I think Avenue's really burnt out. There's a lot of people that are like burnt out. I don't know. Y'all y'all feel any burnout? Y'all get y'all y'all get hit by any burnout? You do? because of that?
Nexuz (01:11:30.456)
Well, yeah, Abel's a creator.
iamsSt3v3n (01:11:33.139)
Yeah. A A what about what about Abuch?
mehtric (01:11:41.041)
Yeah.
Entei (01:11:44.624)
Yeah. That's why I picked up blade. I picked up blade. I literally did the blade challenge because of burnout.
mehtric (01:11:45.477)
Yeah. yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:11:45.609)
Never. What never.
Nexuz (01:11:45.838)
bro, token dropped and I got way more burnt out.
Coach Mills (01:11:51.966)
That's crazy.
iamsSt3v3n (01:11:51.968)
That that's that's what I was kinda saying. Like if you pl if you solo queue, it's the easiest way to to get burnout. Like and I think that primarily matters on like the character that like you're you're playing. I think you probably have a a higher chance of burning out when you're playing like less difficult characters. And I only say that because some characters like I was mentioning before, require you to have like a certain amount of like synergy but when you're caring playing characters that can Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:12:00.058)
Bags.
Entei (01:12:15.548)
Cap is still difficult this season though. Like for sure. Like cap sucks this season. Like I'm my god, he sucks. It also sucks.
Coach Mills (01:12:17.876)
What's up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's maybe one of the worst seasons that he's ever had.
Nexuz (01:12:24.492)
Entei, what do think of that season where everyone was saying he was great? Or broken, rather.
Entei (01:12:28.421)
Like my gosh.
iamsSt3v3n (01:12:30.367)
What was that, eight? Eight point five? I know Shib made a tier list or something like that.
Coach Mills (01:12:31.156)
Eight point five?
Nexuz (01:12:32.196)
8.8 I think I don't know
Entei (01:12:33.467)
Yo, people saw p it being used in pro play and just instantly was like, my god, Cap is so good, Cap is this, Cap is that, I was mad as fuck, bro.
Nexuz (01:12:39.07)
Yeah, I'm pro play. Yeah. Yeah, you'll never see him in ranked but you always see him in pro play and people be like, yeah this character is broken
Entei (01:12:44.903)
Role play.
Coach Mills (01:12:45.832)
He just scales with synergy, you don't get shit of that in ranked, unfortunately. No one
Nexuz (01:12:48.781)
Yeah.
Entei (01:12:49.355)
Cap is always going to be good because of what he provides to the field. Like he's always going to be permanent in your back line, forcing out cooldowns. Like, good. This, that, and third, right? But in terms of the actual execution required to play Cap, most people don't have that.
iamsSt3v3n (01:13:04.285)
I love a good Captain America, that's all I'm gonna say. I don't mind playing with good with a good Captain America.
Nexuz (01:13:08.046)
That's why that's why a hulk feels so bad right now is because like you look at all the other divers even rogue It's like they get CC in the back line. They still live but like you see see hulk once or twice in the back line He's just he's just gone. Like he you t dies guaranteed every time I Would I would love a hulk rework?
Entei (01:13:19.117)
yeah, G G
I would take a Hulkery work, actually. I would take a Hulkery work. I'm sorry, Coach. I'm sorry, Coach. You've played me and Coach have played like Hulk v. Hulk ranked. He knows I can speak on it. I'm sorry. I would take a Hulkery work. I would take it.
CaptainCoach (01:13:25.849)
No no no no no no no no.
Coach Mills (01:13:26.42)
O Yeah yeah, you don't this character.
CaptainCoach (01:13:33.413)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:13:38.226)
You you don't need to rework the character though, right? Like it's not his fault that he's not meta. Like everything around him changed, right?
CaptainCoach (01:13:43.011)
I I'd be cool if they took a look at the bubble. I if they made it 'cause the bubble's the like why they have trouble balancing him that and he's just like an old charge battery for supports who decide every game, right? Like when
Entei (01:13:48.273)
Thank you.
iamsSt3v3n (01:13:56.256)
What if what if they made us that way like when he loses a certain amount of damage the bubble just automatically comes up?
CaptainCoach (01:14:03.245)
Loses a certain amount of damage. What do you mean by that? Like takes too much?
Nexuz (01:14:03.619)
Nah.
Entei (01:14:04.711)
Mm me has that amount health?
iamsSt3v3n (01:14:04.831)
Well, like if he go if he if if he goes below a certain health state then he just automatically gets a bubble without having to do it himself.
Entei (01:14:10.737)
Mm.
Coach Mills (01:14:12.242)
You've learned like a health pro like a like a Wolverine passive type thing where you drop certain
Nexuz (01:14:13.442)
I don't know.
iamsSt3v3n (01:14:15.964)
Exactly, yeah. Well like a B P passive would team up.
Nexuz (01:14:16.676)
I mean, feel like that would remove skill expression, to be honest.
Coach Mills (01:14:19.43)
I I still I still like the Yeah. I like the concept people keep saying this in at least in my chat about him scaling with HP lost. You know, like the less HP he has, the more damage he does. You could go for riskier plays at high like just just so 'cause it kinda fits in with the you know, the angry theme and you could go for riskier plays that like maybe maybe on like fifty HP you could fucking like do a crazy amount of damage.
mehtric (01:14:20.091)
Doesn't Black Panther have that?
iamsSt3v3n (01:14:22.047)
Yeah, yeah, with Hulk, yeah.
Nexuz (01:14:22.463)
yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:14:32.771)
Mm.
mehtric (01:14:35.869)
Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:14:37.07)
I
CaptainCoach (01:14:46.661)
I guess I I view this hero more in like a macro sense. A lot of like the content I've made where I got started was viewing the game from like a I view the everyone as like what their job is, like w where they're supposed to be at like what time. And I always viewed Hulk as like a hero that could guaranteed do a little bit of damage on basically whoever you wanted, but you only had like a like a short window to do that. And the window was your bubble. And then it's like, Okay, if they don't hit you, you can stay in longer, but that's that was like
To me, the appeal of his design was being able to kind of like hit who you want. And I think with if if you'd like change the way he works with the bubble, you could make it so it maybe does more on him and and take away the element of putting it on your teammates entirely and then just make it stronger. I I would be cool with something like that. But I don't know if you consider that like a rework. But I mean that'd be like a that could be like a pretty big nerf. But it would also like probably buff him in the lower ranks to a point where he'd be too good. Cause I I think
I think at least right now, Hulk tends to fall off win rate the higher rank you go. Which usually is not how it is. But he's just he just gets power crept once your yeah, once your aim's good enough, it's just like he he you he can't survive. Like he just blows up.
Nexuz (01:15:46.721)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:15:46.846)
Yeah. It shouldn't be how it is. Right.
iamsSt3v3n (01:15:55.7)
I d I w I was I was gonna ask you guys a question just because you know, I need the honest answers, you know. I I couldn't I can't shy away from this question anymore. what is it that you know, you guys are the higher higher ranked players, of course. You guys, you know y y'a y'all get to your OAs and eternities consistently, you know, all that stuff. What is it that got that drives you guys away from, you know, playing with the wanda? Wha I I just gotta know. I gotta know. Listen. Listen, I had to ask, like
Nexuz (01:15:56.323)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:16:19.516)
Ha ha.
Nexuz (01:16:19.556)
Ha ha ha ha
Entei (01:16:21.788)
You wanna know fun fact though? You wanna know a fun fact? You wanna know a fun fact? I play Wanda. I play Wanda. I play Wanda. I got twenty eight hours I got twenty eight hours. Twenty eight hours. I played her back like like I took her all the way to Celestia once. I'm not gonna lie, Wanda is an underrated character.
iamsSt3v3n (01:16:26.111)
D okay, okay.
Nexuz (01:16:28.28)
Wait, you play Wanda? What?
like overall.
iamsSt3v3n (01:16:34.366)
No but
Coach Mills (01:16:35.276)
I'm not gonna lie you you you you just you would you just have to you just have to prove it to be one game. That's all I need. That's all I need. Cause I'll tell you what, I avoid every Iron Man that's not metric on the ladder. If I run into an Iron Man, you're gone. I don't care if you drop 40 kills against me, if your name's not metric. But that's just cause that's because he rocked my shit again. And so he proved it and like way, way back when, before I even knew who he was, he just like I was like, What the fuck? This Iron Man just rolled us. and so like when I run into you and you roll the fuck out of me, I'll be like, All right, Steven.
iamsSt3v3n (01:16:48.457)
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Coach Mills (01:17:04.21)
You're you're good. You got the green light. You prove you've proven what you just gotta prove it. That's it.
Entei (01:17:06.331)
You just gotta you just gotta prove it then. You just the type of person you just gotta prove it type shit.
CaptainCoach (01:17:07.001)
Bro. I
iamsSt3v3n (01:17:10.365)
but come on, like listen, there's something that you guys no, listen, that listen. Don't dodge it, man. There's so there's I I need to find out the one answer. What w
Nexuz (01:17:12.164)
man.
Coach Mills (01:17:13.058)
Ha ha ha.
Entei (01:17:15.931)
I'm not dodging it. I'll tell you, I'll tell you what, right? I'll tell you what. A lot of Wanda players aren't you. And a lot of Wanda players will just run your shit down, not calm with the team, and not use teamwork at all. So in instead of like playing how you're suggesting Wanda should be played, they're playing Wanda in a completely different way. I believe every Wanda plays Wanda differently. And so they end up just running your shit down. A majority of them. Not all of them, but a bunch.
Coach Mills (01:17:15.988)
What the
mehtric (01:17:40.399)
If if you want me to if you want me to be honest, bro, why wouldn't play with the Wanda?
iamsSt3v3n (01:17:45.419)
I love you and see, I appreciate that answer.
Coach Mills (01:17:47.252)
Yeah.
mehtric (01:17:48.187)
I think Wanda and Iron Man, they don't mesh well together. I feel like the best DPS to go along with Iron Man are like Dive basically. I feel like Spidey or not even like a DPS, like a Venom or yeah, soup like just Dive and then Bro, we can duel bro.
Entei (01:17:57.645)
No damage, no damage.
Nexuz (01:18:01.604)
like agro takers.
Coach Mills (01:18:03.87)
Venom? Yeah. Yeah, where's the duo at, bro? Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:18:08.091)
Is that just 'cause you have like extra pad damage that kinda just helps with their bursts when they go in.
iamsSt3v3n (01:18:09.339)
Mm-hmm.
mehtric (01:18:13.763)
Yeah, it's like when they dive it takes a lot of tension away from me, so I can stay up longer. I can always just flank, hit the back line with them whenever. So it just it it matches really well. But with Wanda, I feel like Wanda her main goal is like I I don't know, I'm not the e expert, so you can tell me if I'm wrong or not, but I feel like she just stays front line and just pressures the tanks and it doesn't work with her.
CaptainCoach (01:18:19.332)
Right.
iamsSt3v3n (01:18:33.067)
Yeah, go ahead.
Coach Mills (01:18:33.352)
My my my my thing my like
Coach Mills (01:18:39.624)
Like not nothing nothing against Wanda, Steven, or or you. Well, I guess kind of against Wanda. But like like if if if if there's an Elsa or a Bucky that have their fucking monitors on, they should never, ever, ever die to Wanda unless they get jumped by like four people. They just they they they have every advantage. Like ev but they have every fucking advantage. Like like w like a Bucky can press two buttons and gain as much damage as you dealt in a second. Like it's actually
iamsSt3v3n (01:18:44.767)
Ha ha.
CaptainCoach (01:18:57.403)
That's why he says you need teamwork, Mills.
iamsSt3v3n (01:19:01.195)
Tell him coach.
CaptainCoach (01:19:08.731)
Well Bucky's tankier than Hulk.
mehtric (01:19:09.286)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:19:09.33)
Like and it's not even your fault. It's literally just like not about like that's kind of one of the things that we criticize a lot about the game is some of these power crept characters are like they gatekeep. They gatekeep the certain characters out. Like they're they're s they're so strong that they make it hard to justify playing other characters unless you actively want to hurt yourself. Like hindi hen hinder yourself.
Nexuz (01:19:30.613)
Yeah, I also think at the same time like there's so much people like I think this is the hardest season to climb on and Because I see you Mills all the time. We're in c3 lobbies. It's so bad. It's so bad but I think I think it's the worst season because because of all the changes people believe they could play whatever they want and actually do good on it or people are more willing to like they feel more like
Coach Mills (01:19:41.204)
It's fuck it's rough. It's rough.
Nexuz (01:19:53.497)
Convinced to try new things because of it and it just really sucks is you'll have like someone first timing this character that character and then when there's too much characters that are meta people feel Obligated to play them even though they've never played them and they'll throw out worse stats than just playing one of their mains And I see that way too often that it's just so insufferable for the game but at the same time like
I want to talk to you guys about win rates and stuff because there's been so much characters with super inflated win rates and like people are saying why don't they change them or this or that and like people are like well mag's win rates not that high or well shang's win rates not that high even though I think mag is super meta right now but I think it's because when people go to fill on tank they play mag when people go to fill on support they play rocket they play these characters that are pretty easy to understand because they have to
Entei (01:20:39.801)
And they have no idea what the fuck they're doing.
Nexuz (01:20:42.924)
Yeah, yeah, they have no idea what they're doing, but those are like the fill characters so like their win rates aren't really a good metric to like Decide if they're balanced or not because everyone fills on those characters so like when they decide to balance over a win rate it's like they don't know what they're doing or what's actually right for the character because Everyone plays that character when they have to fill so you don't actually really know if that character is strong or not because people fill in those characters And they do terribly on them, so I don't Yeah
Coach Mills (01:20:43.474)
Yeah, that's true.
iamsSt3v3n (01:20:44.841)
Huh.
CaptainCoach (01:21:08.101)
Bu Buckflation. Buck Eflation. I don't know.
iamsSt3v3n (01:21:10.642)
I d I don't understand like how like win rate so much these days is kinda like calculated 'cause like are they taking win rate percentages from characters like 'cause I I don't know. I just think solo queue and stacking is just a big difference. Like I think there's a big difference like in terms of like winning chances, like so I don't know how that goes into like how they measure win rates. Maybe it's just pick rates and then winning off that. I don't know.
Nexuz (01:21:31.877)
I mean, I don't think they really balance off a win rate to be honest. think they don't really like, cause yeah, there's win rates and stuff, but I mean, we've seen time and time again that they don't really balance around win rates or like pick rates. mean, no one actually really knows how they balance. like a big philosophy. Like you're just sitting there trying to understand it. can never, no matter how hard you try to understand their balancing, you'll never understand it. So I don't think it's balance or like win rates. So I don't
Entei (01:21:33.523)
something to add after you guys after you guys finish.
Coach Mills (01:21:37.202)
No yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:21:58.63)
What did team captain say last week? What did he say? Like it was like a dartboard or something? I can't remember what he said about the balance.
Coach Mills (01:21:58.984)
It wouldn't even make sense.
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah, yeah, I think yeah, it's the fucking random ball. Yeah, the manatee granted with the random fucking ball. yeah. Dar dart at the board. I mean they're not they're not they're not bouncing bouncing off win rates. It doesn't even mat I mean it wouldn't even make sense if I mean Mantis has like a fifty fifty nine percent win rate with a over twenty five percent pick rate. Like when is that that's not healthy at all? Like what the fuck is that?
CaptainCoach (01:22:06.339)
I brought the manatees but he had one. I can't remember what they said. Yeah, yeah.
Nexuz (01:22:10.2)
Like they throw a dart at the board and...
iamsSt3v3n (01:22:23.018)
Crazy.
iamsSt3v3n (01:22:27.186)
It's crazy.
Nexuz (01:22:29.154)
Yeah, I agree. I think Mantis needs to get the damage boost removed, but at the same time, like I want Mantis to be meta compared to like Cloak being meta or Gambit being meta because again, it's like with Mantis there's at least like clear weaknesses for the character like they're on Mantis, let's run dive but when Gambit or Cloak is meta, like you just sit there and like not only are the Cloak players not having fun. I don't want to play Cloak. I don't want to sit there and like throw a bubble on the floor then Ice then Fade.
iamsSt3v3n (01:22:30.206)
Crazy.
Coach Mills (01:22:46.195)
I don't
Entei (01:22:53.947)
Ha ha ha.
Coach Mills (01:22:55.016)
I mean my my my I I would I would agree with you, but the problem is Mantis is also the best enabler of triple support as well. So like I just don't really think like there is a variant of a Mantis comp that can just win in every situation right now, in my opinion. Which
Nexuz (01:23:00.834)
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
CaptainCoach (01:23:08.461)
Yeah. I feel like maybe they thought we're good
Nexuz (01:23:09.954)
Yeah, I think damage boosts. Sorry, you go, go.
CaptainCoach (01:23:13.851)
Yeah, well th they're trying to give her the healer the he the heel amount, able to double heal rather than always have to be a triple. But there it's just that now she's good at that too. So she she's I think that's buy why her win rate's gone up. 'Cause I I do feel like she yeah, like like we said about the counterplay. Like I never feel like I'm out of a game when
Nexuz (01:23:25.838)
Yeah, damage boost is really bad.
CaptainCoach (01:23:33.071)
Mantis is in. Like even when I'm I have no dive, like and it's just me, I'll still like try to d dive and press a mantis and see if I can't like make a play on them. Like I feel like I have a chance against her. So like to me, like I t I totally agree with what you're saying. I think, yeah, just like look at the damage amp and maybe lower it or make it like a little less accessible. And I I
Nexuz (01:23:51.171)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:23:51.539)
I guess that's I w I kinda wanna go around and say if there's a meta character for tank, DPS and support, what is the optimal one for you? Just one. One character that is like if it's the best in slot you're okay with. What would that be? Stran so strange, what about DPS? What's a DPS that you're acceptable being best in slot, in your opinion?
iamsSt3v3n (01:24:03.582)
What, like playing with?
Entei (01:24:03.729)
Strange, strange.
mehtric (01:24:11.924)
Mm, like it.
CaptainCoach (01:24:12.772)
no, no.
Coach Mills (01:24:14.124)
Bla fog in blah.
Nexuz (01:24:15.14)
Blackout.
Entei (01:24:15.909)
I would honestly hold on, let me open up the game now 'cause I got I'm not I I wanna make sure.
Coach Mills (01:24:18.354)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm curious everyone's responses. We can go through every person, but I'm curious. yeah, yeah. So like like no no no just like in the meta, what like if you could choose the meta, what would be your favorite best in slot for tank, DPS and support? Yeah, yeah, like if you could choose the meta. No, no, no, no, no. If you could ch if you could choose the meta, like best in slot, like like to make the healthiest type of game possible.
iamsSt3v3n (01:24:18.77)
Test. Wait, can you can you r can you re ask that question? Do you mean like like on your team?
mehtric (01:24:31.584)
Entei (01:24:32.879)
The ideal meta. Let me think this through.
mehtric (01:24:34.863)
If I could choose the meta I thought it was like if it was on my team.
iamsSt3v3n (01:24:45.844)
Healthiest.
Coach Mills (01:24:45.896)
What would it be? Who would be the best? Or like healthiest for you. I mean, it could also just be your preference. If you really like fucking dive, it could be whatever, X, Y, and Z. But like a character, maybe you think it's a character that has a high enough skill curve that it creates good enough balanced enough games. Or maybe you think, you know, what w like what what's your opinion? Like what's the top what's your top three?
iamsSt3v3n (01:24:54.655)
Mm.
mehtric (01:25:04.903)
Mm.
iamsSt3v3n (01:25:06.312)
I probably I'd probably you know what? I'd probably have my DPS and tank probably have like strange and Iron Man. Only o only re
Entei (01:25:12.911)
I would not want an Iron Man, but I'm sorry. No, no,
Coach Mills (01:25:13.362)
You you think I you think Ironman you want Ironman be the best? And Metrix like yeah
Nexuz (01:25:14.114)
No, no, I can't I can't have Iron Man be meta. I can't have Iron Man be meta
iamsSt3v3n (01:25:16.86)
I listen, it's just like listen, I was thinking between like Phoenix and Hella, but I just don't want to deal with like any more head scan kind of stuff. Some t But but but then again it's just like and this is why I was
Entei (01:25:24.581)
I'm about to pull up the game so I can make an accurate answer. Like I'm just pulling up the character select screen.
iamsSt3v3n (01:25:31.026)
I was gonna eventually get to this question. Like I don't know where the game gets its inspiration from. I don't know if it's from comics. I don't know if it's from the MCU movies. I don't know where it comes from. So that's why I always have a like I made a I made a video where like what did I ask? I like, doesn't doesn't wana kinda have like black cat's abilities? she can go invisible, she can put a s a portal and stuff like that 'cause I don't know where the inspiration comes from. But if you think about it, if you watch movies and read comics, Sorcerer Supreme, this and that, it's kinda hard for me to like I don't know, 'cause when I think of characters, I think of them obvious
in the movies, how can I not? It's it's what you relate them to. But Iron Man, you know, I'd probably I don't know, I pr I I'd I wish Iron Man was more of like a in like a meta spot. I wish he was played more like I miss watching like Rhymezing and the you know in MRC and stuff like that and those kind of comps to kinda like figure out. Like I think Ironman on Shinshibuya back in the day when he's just sitting in the back of a spawn and you can't do anything about it. Like I like a ch i it it's a challenge though, you know.
Coach Mills (01:26:22.142)
Yeah.
That sounds terrible, but yeah, you go off. Yeah. Well no what what is what about support? What about what about support? I'm curious. Adam. Best in slot Adam. We've had metas with best in slot Adam in the beta. In the ba in the beta, Adam was best character in the game, by the way.
Nexuz (01:26:28.13)
Yeah. Yeah.
mehtric (01:26:28.997)
It sounds good to me.
iamsSt3v3n (01:26:30.748)
Yeah. Adam.
iamsSt3v3n (01:26:37.682)
No, like I I I think and and like people are always asking me, like if I had to choose like my perfect team obviously for the character that I play, I'd easily I'd easily do Jubilee, Mantis, Adam, myself, Thing and and a mag.
And just call it and and I would just call it just like that. I think Adam and like worse than like every single comp is just as long as like it's used right. 'Cause either your back line isn't gonna die or if you have a good enough atom like I know a couple of like top atom players who just hit their shots. They kinda p they can kinda play like a similar DPS style, flank style. I think they could kinda like do it all to be honest. And I hate saying that because I feel like as a wana player, like I lose every fucking like I c I c I'm I'm prone to like I I can actually say it, I can lose a one v one to a lunar snow and the fact that I'm
I should be able to say that. Like, you know, freeze me, t two tap me. Same goes with the garbage team up that I got with Strange. Like I hate that. I hate that they just threw that in my face and act like I w I got happy. Like, no. Like just take me back to season two and I'll be happy. That's we'll all be happy. That's it.
Nexuz (01:27:36.228)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:27:38.696)
What about you, Nexus? What what what what would your best in slot for tank DPS and support? What would you choose?
Nexuz (01:27:43.269)
Tank is like kind of between Hulk and strange because I feel like strange is probably the most balanced poke tank right now and then Hulk is probably the most balanced diver because if you compare Hulk to like venom It's almost like night and day like venom just goes in a billion health. You CC him doesn't matter eventually he procs to nasty and Hulk never gets to nasty and then For DPS, I'd probably have to say
iamsSt3v3n (01:28:12.84)
What sorry. Sorry.
Nexuz (01:28:13.476)
For divers, it's really hard with divers. maybe magic. I always felt like magic was super fair.
Coach Mills (01:28:14.324)
The wand.
Coach Mills (01:28:26.824)
We we and we haven't had a magic meta since like like it was played in pro. I remember Rye Mason used to play it in pro like back in season what one? It was like season one or two and then they have it it's never been
Nexuz (01:28:33.88)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:28:34.026)
Two? 'Cause two is two is when she got the strange theme up.
Nexuz (01:28:38.136)
because Dive has always been super oppressive when like it's meta. So like Black Cat and Daredevil on release, like those characters were just insane. Like there was no, the counter play was really, really like inconsistent with them. And then I guess for poke, I'd probably say like Phoenix. I feel like Phoenix is probably in the most fair spot right now. I would probably say Phoenix. Yeah, probably Phoenix.
Coach Mills (01:28:57.182)
No, but wha what what which one would you prefer though? Like if you if you chose you wanted so you think you think you think
CaptainCoach (01:29:02.233)
Not not not Cyclops? You don't think Cyclops like a more ethical type of poke hero?
Nexuz (01:29:07.854)
kinda but he does have some like cheese with his right click sometimes where like you just blow up behind the corner
CaptainCoach (01:29:10.456)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:29:11.572)
Especially supports, yeah. Yeah. He feels more fair to fight as a tank, but probably less fair as a squishy probably.
Nexuz (01:29:19.008)
Yeah, for support I'd probably say Adam Mantis because here's the thing about Mantis, obviously right now she's really bad for the game, but there has never been more fun on support.
CaptainCoach (01:29:20.175)
Yeah, it's fair. Yeah.
Nexuz (01:29:33.785)
then playing Mantis and like ever since the old season because before when Mantis was meta in season one like everyone enjoyed playing support that was the only time people would be willing DPS players would be willing to just sit there and actually play support as opposed to now it's like you can never get your eco tisco DPS to ever swap off like it's never gonna happen but when you have these characters that are super fun but also like do damage and stuff in a healthy way because like Mantis's damage is pretty healthy compared to Luna where she just sits there freezes you there's no counter play once you're frozen you're just dead like
That's just never fair. I don't know So that's my three just strange Phoenix and then mantis probably
Coach Mills (01:30:08.188)
That's your three. And then Mantis. All right. Well, okay, we're I'll ask y'all in a second, but I want you to imagine this meta, okay? Imagine this meta real quick. Best in slot. Penny, Hawkeye, Ultron. Let's fucking go. Let's fucking go. Okay. Okay. No? okay. Ente, what about what what what's your top three? What's your three?
Nexuz (01:30:17.764)
Alright, yeah, yep. Yeah You lost me a penny bro
CaptainCoach (01:30:20.027)
You're sick. You're a sick man.
iamsSt3v3n (01:30:20.266)
come on, bro. you you lo you lost me a penny, bro. You
Nexuz (01:30:30.968)
Hahaha
Entei (01:30:33.349)
Alright, top three. Good question. I'll take a Mag or Strange. I feel like those are the most skillful slash balanced heroes out of the entire tank pool. Mainly because like we've had an Emma an Emma meta. That shit was AIDS. We had we had a thing meta. We're we're technically in a thing meta. That shit is also cancer.
Coach Mills (01:30:50.482)
Yeah, he's a cat cancer.
We are it we cancer? I I still hate that fucking c character by the way. I I talked about
Entei (01:30:59.949)
I was just locking it just to speedrun getting to C two. Like that shit was just that you literally just hold right click.
iamsSt3v3n (01:31:05.386)
A lot of characters we haven't had a meadow around, just saying.
Entei (01:31:08.195)
Alright. Scarlet meta will n listen, can I just say fuck my answer for the rest of them? I don't matter. We will never this game will never have a Scarlet Meta as long as I exist. As long as I I will make every Yap video possible to make sure that doesn't happen.
Nexuz (01:31:09.38)
you
iamsSt3v3n (01:31:17.866)
Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Listen, that's bec that's because of you Entei. That's because of you Entei.
Nexuz (01:31:19.776)
It won't, it won't. Yeah, it's just, it's not gonna have a meta.
CaptainCoach (01:31:25.123)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:31:27.996)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we'll we'll definitely hit a Scarlet Metter she's reworked in season thirteen as a support.
Nexuz (01:31:29.41)
Ha ha.
Entei (01:31:33.977)
W leak, W leak. We just leaked it. We just leaked it. Wow, we leaked the script. We just leaked the script, guys. We just leaked it.
Coach Mills (01:31:35.425)
My bad, my bad guys. My bad.
iamsSt3v3n (01:31:35.682)
come on man.
Nexuz (01:31:36.068)
W leak W leak W leak What do think of a strap pool meta that'd be fun, right?
iamsSt3v3n (01:31:38.602)
Entei (01:31:44.655)
I think that Strappull was already though, right? Wasn't he already meta? At least in triple support anyway.
CaptainCoach (01:31:44.803)
Mm.
Coach Mills (01:31:44.806)
I I fucking l I would love that shit. I love Stradpool. Yeah. I I I don't I don't really know unless they dramatically changed his kit, I don't really think that Lo Elo's could ever use him.
Nexuz (01:31:49.284)
Well, like, one above all meta maybe, but... Never like...
iamsSt3v3n (01:31:50.802)
It was it was tank pool, no?
Entei (01:31:57.723)
I almost forgot. I was supposed to mention something earlier when y'all were talking about stacking. What do y'all feel about that? Do you guys think they should bring back stacking to Celestial? Cause like that's one of the main reasons like I I literally I feel like the game has an issue where it encourages its top players to smurf. Like I was in a GM lobby where I ran into Jitword, Quackly, and like two other one above all players in a four-stack in GM2.
Coach Mills (01:32:02.357)
What's that?
Coach Mills (01:32:06.738)
Yeah, a hundred percent.
iamsSt3v3n (01:32:06.887)
Yes.
mehtric (01:32:07.387)
Yes.
CaptainCoach (01:32:07.567)
Yes.
Nexuz (01:32:08.29)
Yeah. Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:32:15.89)
A hundred percent.
Coach Mills (01:32:23.816)
Yeah, like I I think ten ten of my games today, like five of them I went a I went against Moxie on a Smurf. Three of them I went against Donatello on a Smurf. Like today I was just playing Smurfs the entire fucking day from top five hundred. That's literally all I was doing today. I mean that's big Yeah, yeah. I mean I don't even blame him. I don't even blame him. But like that's that's literally every single one of my games is not with fucking actual C one players. It's with like players that are higher than C one. They're just playing there. Just for vibes. That's it.
iamsSt3v3n (01:32:27.963)
I just ran into somebody like that.
Entei (01:32:39.089)
'Cause the Q times in top five hundred are so long and like nobody
Nexuz (01:32:51.286)
Yeah, I think the problem with that like the reason it even exists is because like bronze to like plat isn't even a rank So it's like you you move past that and then now you only have literally diamond and gm to play with your friends So like there's just not enough time you get to play with them and then once you get celestial now You're just now you're just alone in your room sitting at like 3 a.m. Queuing games so
Entei (01:33:11.963)
Like literally, like I just I stopped trying to hit eternity. Like once I hit eternity, I literally just stopped playing the game, like other than content purposes, because it's just like
Nexuz (01:33:18.434)
Yeah, that's why I think they need another rank because now or they rather fix rank or they make another rank so you can actually play with your friends in high competitive
Entei (01:33:24.891)
You wanna hear my you wanna hear my opinion? Five divisions per rank lose more than you gain starting in gold.
Nexuz (01:33:33.548)
I'm with you, I'm so with you, I'm so with you, I'm so with you. I'm with that too, three is crazy.
Coach Mills (01:33:34.226)
I thought you were about to I thought you're d about I thought you were about to say five avoid slots, which I'm fucking down for. Ca can we get the Five Bans No, I was kidding.
CaptainCoach (01:33:35.39)
Hmm.
Entei (01:33:38.695)
I'll take that shit too. But listen, Overwatch did it right. Overwatch did it right. We're gonna need five man's in like two years. Because like, is wait, I'm thinking about that. Wait a minute. Five bit low, like think about it. In the next two years, twelve characters a year, twenty-four characters over the next two years, maybe twenty-six if they feel like doing a double release season. I don't know.
Coach Mills (01:33:47.905)
yeah. We need no we need no double bands right now. We need no double beds today.
Coach Mills (01:34:04.488)
Yeah. And and and like the big like the the big high up director or whatever said that they have like hundreds of characters already like loosely planned. Like they want they want this game to eventually have fucking like everybody. Like everybody in the whole fucking MCU that you could possibly have
Entei (01:34:19.366)
Yeah, GG. Yeah, GG. We gonna need like five bands. That's gonna be so so toxic.
Coach Mills (01:34:27.514)
Yeah. Wouldn't it be sick to j I I was about to say, what if you like woke up you g you go into a coma, you wake up at ten years, and there's fucking three hundred goddamn Marvel Rivals characters to pick, bro. Yeah, holy shit.
Entei (01:34:36.689)
Marvel Rifle Square.
Nexuz (01:34:37.442)
Yeah, that would be so insane. No, Rivals 2 would have dropped by then and you're just playing Rivals 2.
mehtric (01:34:38.447)
That'd be crazy.
iamsSt3v3n (01:34:39.283)
Mm-hmm.
Entei (01:34:42.107)
They they gotta they gotta fix the UI then. They gotta fix the hood. I'm tired of I'm tired of having to scroll whenever I have to swap streams for TP.
iamsSt3v3n (01:34:44.637)
We're gonna t
Coach Mills (01:34:45.032)
The yeah.
yeah, yeah, I know I get.
iamsSt3v3n (01:34:50.665)
At this point we're going to Tokon.
Nexuz (01:34:52.664)
Yeah.
Entei (01:34:53.571)
I need to play Nexus, I'm not gonna lie. I I like seeing other people from the FGC, especially since he plays Smash. That's like literally my cousin. Like that's my cousin. Who you play? In Tokon. So yeah. Just just the god of mix. I hate his mix. His mix is the most disgusting in the entire game.
Nexuz (01:34:57.378)
No, we got to run it. Yeah, bro, because I play Loki. I play Loki. Bro, I've been laughing like 20 hours of Tocon.
Coach Mills (01:35:05.844)
My man sticks to the lore, the the the
Nexuz (01:35:16.436)
Yeah, his mix is nasty. It's actually nasty.
But I've been playing like a lot because I grew up playing smash and like I said, I have about like 35k earnings from smash and I've been playing a lot as a kid and I basically grew up with it so like making the swap to hero shooters and Going from fighting games to hero shooters and seeing how poorly they choose to balance the game sometimes I was like, is this even real like this can't be possible, right? Like how are we going so unchecked for so long? Like they would have fired everyone in Street Fighter or in Capcom
CaptainCoach (01:35:39.067)
Yeah.
Entei (01:35:39.856)
No legits.
Coach Mills (01:35:42.056)
Well well with f with fighting games though I mean the yeah, well that's the thing. Like in fighting games
Entei (01:35:47.623)
But I think it's easier to balance though because remember, there's all right, so if you nerf one thing, the other thing becomes meta. So now you have to worry about nerfing that thing. But this hero is keeping this other hero in check. So if you nerf this hero, now this hero that was being kept in check by that hero suddenly becomes busted. So you need to buff the other counter and give them another. You see how it just gets convoluted. It's like six things in the match that you have to balance around. Not to mention the stages, the queue times.
Nexuz (01:36:05.174)
Yeah, yeah.
Coach Mills (01:36:05.556)
I mean I mean also in fighting in fighting games.
I it
Nexuz (01:36:11.096)
Yeah, I agree.
Entei (01:36:16.902)
The team ups. So like it gets fucked if you really like you can't just you can't just put one needle inside the board because then all of a sudden now you need to worry about the other shit that comes along with fixing that one issue. Because trust me, you think it's a fix until you realize, okay, we nerfed Black Cat and we nerfed Didi. Okay, fuck. Now Hella just goes unchecked. Elsa goes unchecked. Okay, now we nerf Elsa, okay.
Nexuz (01:36:17.155)
Yeah.
Nexuz (01:36:33.195)
Yeah.
Entei (01:36:44.965)
Well now we're in a Pokemon. A Cyclops is basically strong as shit. Okay, well now this other support that was getting kept in check by Elsa just runs the fucking lobby. You can't run dive anymore because you see it just gets convoluted. It's a chain reaction. Like you nerf one character.
Nexuz (01:36:45.015)
Yeah, for sure.
Nexuz (01:36:57.08)
Yeah, you nerf dive and Hawkeye's like the best character in the game.
Coach Mills (01:36:59.732)
I mean if a fighting game character Like if fight if fighting games don't get balanced fast the fighting game players just leave to a different fighting game. Y'all just get to jump. Well I mean, but like you could just leave. You could but you can just leave and and play. Like most fighting game players play like every fighting game. They just jump from one fighting game to the next one. Like, what the fuck are you gonna if you get pissed off at Mar Ros? Are you gonna play Overwatch? Yeah, fucking kill me. Like play a nut like there's no other option. We have nut we can't run away from this. If you like hero shooters.
Entei (01:37:05.019)
Well no well like no they do get balanced fast except for Tekken. Like I came from Tekken. That shit was asked for years.
CaptainCoach (01:37:06.394)
Yeah.
Nexuz (01:37:11.736)
Hahaha.
iamsSt3v3n (01:37:24.093)
I d I didn't come from Overwatch
mehtric (01:37:25.691)
Can play deadlock, bro.
Nexuz (01:37:26.222)
You
Coach Mills (01:37:29.074)
You have no fucking option. You play this. That's it. I'm sorry, but that's
iamsSt3v3n (01:37:30.685)
mm I didn't come from Overwatch. Rivels was like my first hero shooter. I came from Dead by Daylight. And just be and because I was a big MCU fan. Well listen. Right
Entei (01:37:36.796)
your community is toxic as shit.
Coach Mills (01:37:39.663)
Ha ha ha.
CaptainCoach (01:37:40.579)
Mm-hmm.
iamsSt3v3n (01:37:42.79)
As it's horrible bro, but since I came up just watching MCU movies, I'm like, crap like this is it's it's a bit like more relatable because you have understand character stories and, you know, than Overwatch. Like I've tried playing Overwatch but it's not like, you know, I'm not really I don't I don't really like it. Like I can't relate with like the characters with like you know, it's kinda like tricky to to keep up with stuff like that. I've always
Coach Mills (01:38:01.333)
Wha wha what made you like Wanda so much? Do you watch the do you like the movies or?
iamsSt3v3n (01:38:06.279)
I've always just like been fond of like the movies. I mean she's arguably like one of the most like powerful. You know, I kinda stuck to Spider Man obviously as like a kid, but like when I grew up I always just wanted to find that next person. I felt like everybody was just I I just like I like I like a bit of a difference maker. For example, when you go to go buy something, wherever it is, you're always gonna find Spider Man and Iron Man stuff kinda first, right? I always I kinda like what people don't like and what people kinda hate, if that makes sense. It's kinda the reason why I play one. I kinda like to play a character that doesn't work but how can I make it work? It's it's more of like the
the story f for me. Like there's always like something troubling about certain characters, but, you know.
Coach Mills (01:38:40.382)
That that interests me like metric, why did you pick up Iron Man? 'Cause I I legit think you could I mean, I know for a fact you could get top of hundred on like any other character you put your mind to. So like why the fuck do you why like why are you married to Iron Man? Is it just for the content or do you just really like like fuck with the character?
Nexuz (01:38:50.145)
Yeah
mehtric (01:38:50.908)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:38:52.745)
Maximum
mehtric (01:38:56.261)
Yeah, so it started off I used to play like Punisher when the game first started. I was a big Punisher, hella person, hit skin and
Nexuz (01:38:56.58)
You
mehtric (01:39:07.191)
One lobby I remember some dude, I don't know who he is, but he cooked me bad on Iron Man. Like he did me bad and I couldn't do anything. So I was like, okay, I gotta learn Iron Man. And then I started actually playing him and I just fell in love with his gameplay loop. I started watching the the movies. He just became my favorite character, bro. So Yeah, I I love Iron Man.
Coach Mills (01:39:27.902)
That's actually fucking dope. That's actually cool.
CaptainCoach (01:39:30.083)
It's a Marvel the Marvel Rivals game got you into the movies. yeah, what's up?
Nexuz (01:39:31.492)
So I have a question for Captain Coach.
mehtric (01:39:33.713)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:39:35.005)
Doctor Doom's favorite character now.
Nexuz (01:39:37.157)
I have question for Captain Coach and Metrix. So like, I know you guys deal with this a lot and I've been dealing with it a lot recently. Like my whole avoid list, I only have three avoids, right? And my whole avoid list is just throw, or people that just hate me so they throw my game the moment I'm in it. And like, that means I can't avoid any of the actual bad players in that moment because I just have to make sure these people are never in my team. So I wanted to ask you guys like, what do you guys think they can do to increase the competitive integrity of the game?
mehtric (01:39:37.553)
Yeah, basically.
Coach Mills (01:39:57.993)
You can't You gotta run a duo.
mehtric (01:39:59.345)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:40:07.245)
Hmm. Well like you talking about
Coach Mills (01:40:07.334)
Mm.
mehtric (01:40:08.221)
That's that's tricky, bro.
iamsSt3v3n (01:40:10.939)
It's kinda like the same th it's kinda like stream sniping. You kinda I mean, d there's only so much you could do other than just hide your name, I mean.
Coach Mills (01:40:16.946)
Yeah, except it's not even banworthy by it's not banable by the way. It's not against fucking netties, by the way. Like it's it's not against the rules to stream snipe, by the way. For whatever reason.
CaptainCoach (01:40:17.165)
I I bro. I you you're talking yeah, you're well he's funny, he's talking about t stream sniping in the game and I I I like how to improve the competitive integrity. And the first time I stream sniped was like two days ago. I just did a I did I did it to K Star because she's like my friend or whatever. I was just like fucking I'm not streaming, I'm bored. I'm gonna see if I'm gonna see how hard it is to snipe somebody. I went to her stream.
Nexuz (01:40:17.816)
Yeah, I mean like giving them bigger...
iamsSt3v3n (01:40:20.498)
Right.
Nexuz (01:40:22.413)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:40:35.29)
Wait.
iamsSt3v3n (01:40:35.485)
Well
iamsSt3v3n (01:40:44.638)
Mm-hmm.
mehtric (01:40:44.845)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (01:40:45.687)
She hit I timed it like exactly instant pop. We both get him like, I'm guy in. I got our team and we won. So you know, W stream snipe. So
iamsSt3v3n (01:40:49.693)
Demon man.
Nexuz (01:40:52.92)
No, I mean, I mean more so in the way that like, let's say you do get someone reported or like you report someone they do face a penalty. Those people will literally like I had a guy come in and just like absolutely slur me out for like a minute straight and he got a 15 minute penalty. This guy literally added me on discord to let me know he got a 15 minute penalty. That is crazy. And he like cursed my whole bloodline. He did all these things.
CaptainCoach (01:41:14.191)
Hay
Coach Mills (01:41:17.172)
Yeah, it i it's i it it's like that's like
CaptainCoach (01:41:19.703)
I envy the amount of hate that person has toward like to feel any level of that emotion is just like I envy that.
Coach Mills (01:41:24.116)
It's like someone gets he gets proclaimed innocent in court and he's laughing at you like I did that shit. I did that shit. Like he like doesn't That motherfucker got Jayomo on the case. Holy.
Entei (01:41:26.695)
I think it's too easy to throw in this game.
Nexuz (01:41:31.244)
Yeah, he left in my face letting me know that hey your report got me a 15 minute ban and that's it and I just have to hold that I just have to hold that
mehtric (01:41:33.693)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (01:41:36.323)
It it's it's funny that you're you you want to hear
Entei (01:41:38.885)
Like I'm gonna keep it a buck, it's too easy to throw in Marvel Rivals. How do I know this? Because I got pissed off, and I'm not gonna lie, I'm not perfect. I most definitely ran somebody's game down on Blade. So as yeah, yeah, as y'all know, as y'all know. Yeah. It's all right, it's a good it's a good time since I already bought it up, but yeah. Essentially, I was in somebody's game and he bought up the tournament, and I'm not gonna lie.
Coach Mills (01:41:47.7)
Yeah that that the that that's the that's the second drama I wanted to bring up at some point. I figured we'd get to it.
iamsSt3v3n (01:41:50.313)
On blade. He's not on blade.
CaptainCoach (01:41:52.079)
Sometimes you gotta run it down.
Entei (01:42:04.837)
I was getting mad as shit. He was like, get on your one trick. I was like, I'ma show you one trick. I'm gonna run your shit down now. You lost twenty SR.
Coach Mills (01:42:09.556)
I I'll tell you one button W key. It's trained to spawn. Yeah.
Entei (01:42:14.376)
W key for the rest of the game. He goes to the account that I don't play Blade on, screenshot it, and said, my gosh, he has a 7% win rate. If you go there, it's not actually 7%. And I don't play Blade on that account. But people found it so funny alongside the tournament drama that it was just like, fuck it. We're just gonna go, we're gonna run with this. And he's it's just seven percent.
Nexuz (01:42:14.593)
Yeah.
Nexuz (01:42:28.536)
Ha
Coach Mills (01:42:29.054)
Yeah, because like
Nexuz (01:42:36.004)
7 %
Coach Mills (01:42:38.388)
'Cause I I I I see that spammed in like everywhere. Like places places I I I sa I saw it in a non Marvel Rivals TikTok. Someone sp someone someone put it in there just randomly. Referencing the I was I was like, what the fuck is this? That's insane.
mehtric (01:42:42.021)
Mm.
Entei (01:42:42.265)
It's in all it's in every one of my videos. I can't I can't escape it.
Nexuz (01:42:52.494)
Yeah.
Entei (01:42:56.523)
On the bright side though, all this drama that I've been in is gonna give me hella merch. Hella merch. Like I'm gonna start making t-shirts and like when I start selling, it's gonna be like seven like seven percent across the front. I'm gonna have another tea like hoodie that says boo-boo on it. I'm gonna have like, you know, another team Xeno sweatshirt or sweatpants. I don't know.
Nexuz (01:42:57.738)
Yeah, I remember you guys
CaptainCoach (01:43:03.771)
Mm-hmm.
Nexuz (01:43:04.727)
Yeah, so.
Coach Mills (01:43:06.608)
It's a seven percent
iamsSt3v3n (01:43:13.171)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (01:43:13.269)
it's
Coach Mills (01:43:17.044)
I like that business mindset though. I like it. They can't actually they can't bring you down. It's it
CaptainCoach (01:43:18.403)
You should just have a shirt that's like
CaptainCoach (01:43:23.653)
Do like the final hits or whatever.
Entei (01:43:23.867)
They k they try though. They try.
Nexuz (01:43:25.494)
You guys remember the int list, right? Like the whole thing where like, like people will pay to throw your games. And like recently I've had like these, there's these five people in a group chat that will literally like wait for me to queue. Like I've seen, I've seen what they do. They literally sit there and like wait for me to queue and they get paid, like they get paid to do this. And one of the guys, he was like, I don't care if you report me, I'm on my eighth alt account.
Entei (01:43:29.88)
I remember.
Coach Mills (01:43:33.918)
Yep.
CaptainCoach (01:43:34.587)
Yeah.
Nexuz (01:43:52.504)
It's like, yeah, bro. All right, like...
Coach Mills (01:43:53.236)
Wha w wh I d wait, why are they don't like you though? Like I I've s I've watched it, you're not really toxic. You're like
CaptainCoach (01:43:53.881)
Yeah. I there
Nexuz (01:43:57.733)
So yeah, so there was this video that dropped like a week ago. I'm not gonna get into the drama of it, but it was this guy named Coco Loco, right?
He dropped a video talking about like harassment, the top 1 % of rivals and like my name was in there. And ever since then, there's like this group of people that just came after me like relentlessly. And again, I get on, I just play the game. Like I've never came after anyone else. I never done anything. And you know, it just really sucked. But point is like, I get these people that will come in and do these things. And like, there's no punishment ever for these people, like ever. They can just do this day in, day out. And like, I know it's hard to do it because it's a free game, but at the very least, like you see these people
iamsSt3v3n (01:44:20.785)
Is that sure
Nexuz (01:44:39.338)
throwing the game if this was league they'd be gone for like a month like minimum they'd be gone for a while some people get hardware banned but on rivals you get 15 minute ban and that's it
CaptainCoach (01:44:44.505)
Yeah. Yeah. No, you're you're
CaptainCoach (01:44:51.257)
Yeah, so I actually just got so yes or on Saturday, I had a pretty wild stream. I got a guy banned for one hundred years on the spot and point compensation for the first time for rage hacking against me. And I know I well, I was only I was suspicious of him to begin with. Yeah, right. Well, you can't really rage hack on Wanda. I was suspicious of him because his name was Captain Roach. So I'm like, okay, Artie, I this guy's coming here and you're trying to fuck with me.
iamsSt3v3n (01:45:04.137)
Pretty shadow.
Nexuz (01:45:05.156)
Ha.
iamsSt3v3n (01:45:06.951)
I've never heard of that I've never heard of that one.
Nexuz (01:45:16.748)
You
CaptainCoach (01:45:18.883)
So he he starts freaking out and starts trying to attack me and and I noticed like an uptick in the amount of my games being thrown after I got that guy banned. Next day I get someone saying like whatever Captain Roach was right, not cheating. And then like they started calling me slurs. And then he they they only got a twenty-four hour ban for that. So like I've I have seen the report system work, but yeah, like what you to your point, not enough penalties at all. Cause there's Coach Mills now bring it all together. True Lord, which is someone who's thrown
Coach Mills (01:45:45.236)
Shout out true Lord.
CaptainCoach (01:45:46.231)
Sh yeah, shout out True Lord. I can't believe I'm saying this. Guy who would just run our games down on site he w the biggest sniper you'd ever mostly is this cause you cued with me.
Coach Mills (01:45:48.884)
Mm-hmm.
Nexuz (01:45:49.412)
See you
Coach Mills (01:45:52.988)
Mostly you. Mostly you. No, no way when I when I what I well when I would but when I would randomly queue into him, he would always be like, Hey Coach Mills and then I it was it was like yeah, but no, but it would be like there was like a tension of like he could throw at any time, but he never did it. He never did. He never threw my games. But he like there was always like the potential threat. I think when I ran into him it was when he was trying to rank back up so that he can snipe you again and throw back down. Like every time like that
CaptainCoach (01:46:02.011)
really?
CaptainCoach (01:46:07.621)
Did he ever okay. Well anyway. That's funny. That's funny.
No, like I I swear he had probably got for like months, probably got over 20 of my games just like th thrown. I would eventually just dodge. But anyway, long story short, he for whatever reason, I guess at the time, I think it's because Lucky Zeal, he did it to Lucky Zeal, got he got a month ban reported. Came came back, came could just show his face in my chat. Yo, what's up, coach?
Nexuz (01:46:18.498)
That's so insane, bro. It's actually so insane
Coach Mills (01:46:27.218)
No, he i it was it was fucking insane. It is insane.
Entei (01:46:42.021)
Interesting.
CaptainCoach (01:46:45.581)
And then I'd kind of like I gave him the opening. I said, like, hey, what's up, man? You did your time. Like, are you guys still gonna throw my shit? And he's like, no, I'm not. And he's he's reformed now, he's chill. Like he's he comes to my stream like most days. And it's like, okay, the system works there. So w like how much do we need to turn up the penalties? Like I I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, so it's tough to say, but like it's very clear that there needs to be more done.
Nexuz (01:46:52.096)
Yeah.
mehtric (01:47:11.773)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:47:11.912)
Knock out.
Nexuz (01:47:12.194)
Yeah, for sure.
I think the other thing about that too is that with penalties, right? It's like they give them the penalties they probably just hop on their other alt account and I even had like a guy who he came in one day. He said, Hey, like we were in a game ban phase and he was like, Hey, I love your streams and stuff by the way. And I was like, thank you. And then he target bans my character after saying that. And I'm just like, I'm like, yo, what the hell bro? Like, how are you going to don't, don't even talk to me no more. How you going to say, Hey, I'm a fan and then bam my character.
CaptainCoach (01:47:40.835)
Yeah, that's fucked up.
Nexuz (01:47:42.967)
And then ever since that interaction he didn't know I was actually joking wasn't actually mad, but he took it seriously It's like that one scene in credibles where like he throws a poster on the floor the the frame on the floor and he basically just like decided to make it his mission and throw any game he sees me in because I was I guess a little disrespectful to him, but like you can't just see me say you're a fan and throw my like ban my character and then expect me to be like all happy and stuff
CaptainCoach (01:48:04.867)
Yeah. Wait. So I I gotta I got a question for all you where do you draw the line? Like what is the the the smallest infraction that would cause you to throw somebody's game? Like what is the the the bare minimum for you to wanna actually feel like or or would you never do it? Would you never throw?
Coach Mills (01:48:07.604)
'Cause here
Entei (01:48:20.667)
Like the bare minimum.
Coach Mills (01:48:21.932)
I if if I if I hear them eating on I don't fucking know.
Nexuz (01:48:25.956)
I've never thrown a game like... I've never thrown a game.
CaptainCoach (01:48:26.011)
They said hi.
Entei (01:48:26.312)
I'm not gonna lie. I I hate ignorance. I like you know, I'm gonna let everybody else go first because I have a monologue prepared for this.
Coach Mills (01:48:29.34)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:48:32.932)
sh no you go y you you should break the ice. Let's go.
Nexuz (01:48:33.956)
you
CaptainCoach (01:48:34.539)
Okay. Got his villain speech, right?
Entei (01:48:36.907)
I'm all right, let's break the ice. I I I hate ignorance. It's a multitude of people in this game, specifically support players that get on my nerves, specifically cloak and dagger players, Invis players, Luna players of the sword. I just hate them. I hate when they breathe into the mic and they talk shit and they act like they know how to play the fucking game. So when I when I when I see them ult from spawn or play stupidly or ult
Nexuz (01:48:48.004)
You
Coach Mills (01:48:48.718)
Ha ha ha ha.
CaptainCoach (01:48:48.921)
Okay.
Nexuz (01:48:55.684)
Hahaha
Coach Mills (01:48:56.743)
I
Nexuz (01:48:59.18)
Yeah, yeah.
Entei (01:49:04.091)
terribly i know something in my my heart just activates you know i'm saying it it it it it it it activates within me and i don't know i just get the urge to lock blade and just run it down main because if you're gonna run my shit down main my supportal that was supposed to be used to win the game you know i just i feel very very very activated to just run your shit down
CaptainCoach (01:49:07.599)
Mills, this is gonna set us back at least three or four support episodes.
Coach Mills (01:49:09.926)
Yeah yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:49:11.312)
Mm.
Coach Mills (01:49:17.306)
Nexuz (01:49:27.972)
You
Coach Mills (01:49:28.508)
Yeah.
Entei (01:49:32.089)
Especially if you're being ignorant in VC.
CaptainCoach (01:49:33.753)
This is the safe space to air out your gripes. Like let us know how you feel, you know? What's like
Coach Mills (01:49:35.546)
Hey yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess I I was gonna ask later, I mean it's kinda ties in. I was gonna ask like who who's the what's the mains of a character that you always just hate to see? Like you just know that they're gonna be terrible. Yours is gonna yours is Cloak and Dagger. I I don't think it's C D you think it's C and D?
Nexuz (01:49:37.924)
You
Entei (01:49:48.391)
Cloak and dagger. Cloak and dagger. Cloak and dagger. Cloak and dagger. C and D. C and D. Cloak and Dagger. Cloak and dagger. Cloak and dagger. Cloak and dagger. I'ma start crying, bro. Cloak and dagger. I hate it.
iamsSt3v3n (01:49:50.951)
Well on your team?
Nexuz (01:49:51.812)
Alright, cloak isn't that bad, Cloaking.
Look ain't that bad, bro.
CaptainCoach (01:49:58.139)
I don't know if I want to say mine. I said on stream literally yesterday, like i I avoid every wand I I get. Garrett this guaranteed. I am sorry. I'm sorry. I said I I even told the person, like, it was quibbles. I'm like nothing personal, I just avoid every wand I guess. So you shouldn't even be in my game right now. Like
iamsSt3v3n (01:50:01.18)
Wait, hold on. Why cl why clothes though? I'm confused. Wait, wait.
Coach Mills (01:50:02.263)
what's it what's yours, coach? What's it?
Coach Mills (01:50:11.676)
Yo.
Nexuz (01:50:13.176)
You
Entei (01:50:13.395)
Yeah.
Nexuz (01:50:16.196)
You
mehtric (01:50:16.261)
Mm.
iamsSt3v3n (01:50:22.076)
Yeah. Actually you know what, you know what actually you know what? You had me when you said quibbles. So I'm not mad.
Coach Mills (01:50:26.48)
Yeah what the shit WHE fuck shit Yeah you know what for me it's Loki dude Fucking Loki's man No it's kidding Okay
Entei (01:50:27.685)
Whoa.
CaptainCoach (01:50:27.853)
Okay. All right, bye bye bye bye. It's not it wasn't anything personal, it's just
iamsSt3v3n (01:50:29.904)
No I'm no I'm just no I'm I'm just no listen. No listen listen No listen listen listen I Yeah, let's all attack each other right now, bro.
Nexuz (01:50:32.428)
I'm not gonna lie for me for me it's iron man for me it's iron man I and it's not nothing for metric nothing for metric no no hold on I play Loki bro
mehtric (01:50:38.737)
That is crazy. That's crazy.
Entei (01:50:42.437)
I'm gonna keep it a buck fifty with you though. I've only met two good Ironmans. It's e it's metric and fucking Virgie. It's like those are the only two.
iamsSt3v3n (01:50:49.542)
No and
Coach Mills (01:50:50.088)
Wait, that you can't heal them, right? Is that is that why?
Nexuz (01:50:52.958)
I can't I can't heal them and then like when they need healing they'd be going like you like I'm like yo, I can't hit that bro Yeah, yeah, it's mutual hate
Coach Mills (01:50:56.56)
Ha ha ha.
iamsSt3v3n (01:50:57.617)
No.
mehtric (01:50:57.639)
Yeah. I hate playing with low key players, bro.
Coach Mills (01:51:00.348)
Yeah, that's actually fucking that's like the wor that'd be the worst duo of all time. That's that's actually hilarious.
iamsSt3v3n (01:51:04.786)
Yeah. I I I guess I guess
Nexuz (01:51:06.37)
Nah, we probably win every game. Lowkey? We might... I'll copy Iron Man. We do double Iron Man ult and we just...
mehtric (01:51:08.273)
Yo, we should play, bro. We should play. Yo, that would be fire. That would actually be fire.
Coach Mills (01:51:09.46)
That's actually that would be fucking sick.
iamsSt3v3n (01:51:10.694)
I guess I guess coach
No no Cap, to to piggyback off you, like I I do love Quebos, but I have this just inside and beef when like people just want to t constantly remind me about this damn rivals tracker. And then when I get up there and finally take the spot and it's and then it's kinda like I I just don't like seeing other streamers title themselves rank one this, rank one that. Like it's just I don't know if you guys ever feel like that way. You know, especially you guys being like, you know, if you guys O T P I just
Coach Mills (01:51:40.456)
That's that's that DPS ego. It's good to know Wander players still have it. That ego.
iamsSt3v3n (01:51:43.953)
Like I just I just don't I just don't find it like comfortable. Like I don't know. That's just kinda like my thing. Like I just get uncomfortable, bro. Like wha like I just don't care. Listen, listen. Listen, he can get it too.
Entei (01:51:48.775)
Niggas say he uncomfortable and niggas saying they're rank one one.
Coach Mills (01:51:49.793)
Yeah Yeah, well you you're you're fucking you're fucking lucky that Mike's above you You're lucky that Mike's above you doesn't want to get rank one on your hero because I swear that motherfucker That motherfucker gets if if Mike's above you decides he wants rank one on your hero you're fucked I'm just I'm just letting you know I'm just letting you know right now that that's just the way No I I'm just I'm just I'm just saying bro I'm just
Nexuz (01:51:50.5)
You
CaptainCoach (01:51:55.061)
you don't want to act up.
Entei (01:52:00.312)
Entei (01:52:06.127)
Text him right now.
mehtric (01:52:06.425)
I wanna I wouldn't see I wanna see Mike I wanna see Mike play Iron Man. I really do.
iamsSt3v3n (01:52:06.524)
Listen na hey, woah woah woah woah woah listen.
Entei (01:52:12.623)
I'm not gonna lie, no, I'm that's a video. I'ma make sure he sees it too.
Coach Mills (01:52:15.698)
That motherfucker I I was like, I'm gonna tr I'm gonna try out the hood and then this motherfucker goes fifteen and straight to one above all on the hood first day. Alright, what the fuck are you doing, bro? You're not a human player. I know that's what I'm saying. Like you only get rank one as long as he doesn't want it. I'm just saying. Anyways, go on, move on.
iamsSt3v3n (01:52:17.2)
Listen, listen.
iamsSt3v3n (01:52:24.486)
I know they can do it, but it it's to the
CaptainCoach (01:52:25.743)
He did it on Dino, bro. Like like what are we doing?
iamsSt3v3n (01:52:32.048)
Like I I I I know they can do it but it I it's just it's just to the there's not many of us. There's not many of us creator who who who play the character that I play. There's not many of us creators. So it's it's mainly to them. It's mainly me just saying, Fuck off to to them, you know?
Coach Mills (01:52:45.906)
No yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:52:48.324)
And and I don't want to name drop because a a part of me wants to, but it's mainly to them. Listen, it's mainly to Quebles, to Old Ass Cat, to Senko, to Chericola FPS, to all you motherfuckers trying to take my spot. Just chill the fuck out, bro. Just check out the fucking fucking yo, you know what it is? Mgala Mulch Maximov.
Entei (01:52:51.579)
Just name drop, let your nuts hang.
Coach Mills (01:52:54.952)
He
mehtric (01:52:56.035)
Yeah.
Entei (01:53:00.103)
he folded He folded immediately. He folded immediately that didn't take anything. He folded immediately instead of calling everybody out.
Nexuz (01:53:00.312)
Damn, he got the whole list. He got the whole list.
mehtric (01:53:05.061)
Right.
CaptainCoach (01:53:05.179)
fuck it's just
Nexuz (01:53:10.34)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:53:11.334)
Yo, yo, just chill the fuck out, yo. Just stop. Just stop telling just c stop stop going on your title and your d Streamlabs description and saying rank one bro, just stop. Thank you, bro. Thank you.
Coach Mills (01:53:18.078)
They c they they can start putting rank two from now on. It's it's all good.
Entei (01:53:22.503)
Yo, what's sending me is that he's a I don't wanna drop no name. I don't wanna drop no nick. Bubbles, skinko, that bitch ass nigga.
CaptainCoach (01:53:23.011)
Like all the all I I feel like all the wannemans are like crabs in a bucket, bro. Like just
Coach Mills (01:53:28.18)
my god.
Nexuz (01:53:28.797)
You
iamsSt3v3n (01:53:29.33)
Mine God damn it. Nah but nah y'all gotta fucking stop bro no seriously y'all gotta no I genuinely bro like getting me tight bro every every to the it's an everyday thing bro every fucking day bro
Nexuz (01:53:33.764)
Just drop everything bro
CaptainCoach (01:53:35.116)
I just say
Coach Mills (01:53:36.707)
Ha ha ha!
mehtric (01:53:40.101)
Mm.
Coach Mills (01:53:43.508)
so so so I'm not so I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie. So there are like there are I know that there are some good fucking Punisher mains like Momo and like like some players that are good at Punisher, but I I think the most brain dead players are Punisher players that I meet on a consistent basis. Like it like like they're so bad. They're so fucking if they if they main Punisher
Entei (01:53:44.103)
my god, I'm sick.
CaptainCoach (01:53:45.123)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:54:01.34)
Ha ha ha.
Nexuz (01:54:01.952)
Nah, nah, nah, nah, I can't, I can't agree with that.
Entei (01:54:02.137)
No no no and I'll say this to his face listen listen here bro
CaptainCoach (01:54:05.337)
No.
iamsSt3v3n (01:54:05.821)
No.
Coach Mills (01:54:08.337)
good good good Punisher players would not main Punisher. They'd play some other fucking character like Elsa or Bucky or Widda
CaptainCoach (01:54:12.003)
I'm with Ente, it's cloaks.
Entei (01:54:12.218)
No, Punisher players are indeed blade brain dead, including Momo. I need you to understand if Momo couldn't aim, no, Momo has zero game sense. I've talked about this with him before. He has zero game sense. He invented that play style because it's so stupidly easy. You just go
iamsSt3v3n (01:54:13.852)
Wait. How come
Coach Mills (01:54:16.998)
No no no i mo mo Momo's good. But he can aim. But he can aim But
Coach Mills (01:54:25.84)
I know, but he has a who cares he has a but but but but my my problem is Punisher players they they're all the same but at least he can aim. They all they're all the same. The it i i in their mind they're all like suppressed, bro, blasting max fucking volume music, running it down. That's it.
Entei (01:54:35.205)
He can aim, that's the only thing that's saving his life is the fact that he has good aim.
iamsSt3v3n (01:54:36.912)
No.
CaptainCoach (01:54:38.531)
Nah, I I'm gonna I
Listen, I'm I'm gonna as much as I've had beef with Momo in the past, I had him on my team in a tournament. He has he I think he has good game sense. I think he just chooses to run games down.
Nexuz (01:54:53.954)
He just wants to clip for him. Yeah, he just wants to clip for him.
Coach Mills (01:54:53.972)
No no No he you can't you No no he no no he's he's actually a good player. He's actually a good player No he's he's actually funny. That's funny.
Entei (01:54:54.779)
No, he doesn't. He does not. He can just aim. I promise you. Well low, he all he has is aim. All he has is good aim.
CaptainCoach (01:55:03.739)
No, he's I think he's pretty smart. I think he's pretty smart. Yeah. I gotta
Entei (01:55:05.201)
I know he's good, but he can aim.
Nexuz (01:55:10.5)
So I got a question for you guys, kind of going back to like...
balancing and stuff like do you guys think that some team ups actually restrict the character of being buffed so like for instance with Loki the reason they nerfed his damage in the first place was because they brought the mantis team up which gave him damage boost but then now if you didn't have mantis on your team now he was just doing like piss air damage right but like now that he has a mantis team up back he has damage kind of back but now it's like this hella team up is so fun but now I have to play a version of Loki that's nerfed
Coach Mills (01:55:16.098)
wait yeah.
Nexuz (01:55:44.838)
because of this team up that exists and you want to sit there and where's the team up didn't exist because they make the base kit of the character better
Coach Mills (01:55:50.975)
Cause cause what does the team up do? It's just you get flat damage buff, right, when you have it selected. Yeah, I I think all of those effects are dumb. The same thing with Elsa and the Dino team up where it just increases their bullet damage. Like that shit should never happen. Like Punisher as well with the like like the Daredevil team up with Punisher just straight up increases his damage. Like if if you have to do that to even make it comparable, then that team up is not strong enough. Just make the effect stronger, make the effect more unique, give it a reason to be picked.
CaptainCoach (01:55:51.812)
Yeah.
Nexuz (01:55:55.044)
It's like I think it's 10 % damage boost
Nexuz (01:56:11.8)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:56:18.32)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:56:20.69)
Besides just giving a fucking flat buff. I mean it's just to me it's just dumb. It's la it's lazy is what it is. yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:56:23.227)
I
Nexuz (01:56:23.618)
Yeah, it's just bad. It's bad.
iamsSt3v3n (01:56:25.136)
I I don't have a say in this question, unfortunately.
CaptainCoach (01:56:28.013)
I I I I could I could weigh in here. I so like the Dino team up team up with the Jeff beam, I think is probably one of their best design ones after testing it because you can feel like you're missing out on value using it because you're not playing in a way that's like now optimal, because you feel like you're like not as limited like okay with the beam, it's like I I like how it completely changes the way you think and play the hero.
And I and I think with with team ups that do that, it can be tricky because like the Jeff one just got buffed and and I think people are still kind of exploring and figuring stuff out. Like you you you gotta be careful with things that i encourage you to do something, but you like to me the dino one's perfect because you saw that freedom to play the way you always have been and kind of just get that bonus v value or like create an entirely new play style.
Coach Mills (01:57:15.07)
So people might have not figured figured out the pieces, is what you're saying.
CaptainCoach (01:57:17.095)
Yes. So I I think you gotta be careful when you look at it that way because a lot of the team ups like the like I just found out I mean maybe not found out, but like I've been using the the rocket team up with the acorns and that one's just like objectively better than the group one. And it's just like it's fun.
Nexuz (01:57:31.14)
The group one's fun though.
iamsSt3v3n (01:57:31.226)
I I just hate when rivals get stagnant. Like I I hate like I hate it like and I don't know if this is a bad thing. I hate it when we kinda like see like the same I don't know if like I hate I hate
Comps or like metas that I consistently see. I like fluctuations like different stuff. I think the other game I got like two fantastics like back to back. But I kinda enjoyed it though 'cause I like the fluctuation of just like different characters that I'm going because I haven't seen somebody play Jeff in a l in a long time or Iron Fist. It's just all it's all Hood, Mag, Elsa, Black Cat, Coke. I it's every single game that I'm playing in like GM or cell is just
Nexuz (01:57:53.56)
The variety, yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:57:53.967)
Yeah. Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (01:58:08.944)
I don't know, but hopefully maybe one day there's a way to make it fluctuate. But then when you have like skill varieties, you it's kinda hard.
CaptainCoach (01:58:14.297)
I I think I think you gotta nerf heroes so that there's not a an arms race to swap to the best thing all the time. I think that's like the biggest issue is people just feel like there's something in the game they can't beat and then they have to swap like that swapping is always the the answer when there's stuff that's just so much better than other things.
Coach Mills (01:58:29.46)
I wanted to share this. So this was I wanted to share this real quick with y'all. so this is Dylan Dubbs. I mean, a lot of y'all probably know him. He's he's he's pretty chill on ladder, he grinds a lot, and he doesn't get tilted by all too much, but he said this yesterday and it went kind of viral. The problem with Rivals matchmaking isn't the game itself, it's the community. There's no punishment for throwers. The game is literally decided on who gets the worst thrower. Many of us are playing the game for content right now.
Nexuz (01:58:33.006)
Yeah, so.
Coach Mills (01:58:56.54)
It's impossible to take this Mickey Mouse range system serious. What are your thoughts on that?
iamsSt3v3n (01:59:00.06)
That's fair. I think that's that that's that's like a a hundred percent because after every ranked match it's like always about like who for s some somehow it just gets brought up with that somebody eventually did like the worst and it's just always, you know, talked about like in game. Like there's always just gonna be like that one factor and it's always gonna be like that one person. Like I can't genuinely say I can't I can't genuinely talk when was the last time I had like a real good game, like a long game. Like, you know
Entei (01:59:01.265)
Fully agree. Fully agree.
mehtric (01:59:01.479)
Facts.
Nexuz (01:59:28.631)
Yeah.
I want to touch up on that a little bit. I think it's just true because, okay, let me put it this way. When you hit C1 or like even C3, let's say C3, C3 and up, everyone stays relatively the same skill. It's just a matter of whose mental is better. So like you're sitting there, you're queuing games. It feels almost 50 50. Cause like you're all almost the same skill level. If we want to make it more realistic, we can say C1 and above. You're all almost equivalent in skill. So it just becomes like a, okay, who has that one guy that's just going to throw the game?
Entei (01:59:43.995)
Basically.
Nexuz (01:59:59.551)
Who has the worst mental? Because it becomes a mental battle at some point. No longer a who mechanically is better, or who has more awareness, or who is this and that. It just becomes a, who has the man-shout and who doesn't? Who's gonna throw the tantrum and who's not? That's really what it boils down to. It just feels like at some point in ranked.
Coach Mills (02:00:12.648)
I I mean but the thing is like i eventually it's always gonna be somebody, right? Like like it like you you might be someone that didn't you don't throw games ever, but like eventually you get a little too tired, you're like or maybe you're you're pissed off, you fuck up an old, you're like fuck this, I'm gonna swap to whatever and then like that might be the only one that means might the only game that you ever throw, but the next game you play, it's gonna be someone else that it's the only game they ever threw. And it's just like a cycle it's like a cycle of like
mehtric (02:00:13.136)
Exactly.
Nexuz (02:00:17.89)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:00:28.888)
Yeah, I've talked on Shrapool a few times.
CaptainCoach (02:00:39.395)
I'm gonna be honest, man. Like I would have disagreed with this post up until like right today when I went to EU and I saw like a drastic in like I I we talked I talked about at the start, but I it it there's just like a disconnect, I think, with a lot of people. Like there is just such an unwillingness to to swap or or try comps other than just the the most bro you're nodding your head, Steven. Just like the most broken meta stuff and and
Nexuz (02:00:41.218)
Yeah, for sure.
Coach Mills (02:01:04.58)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (02:01:07.245)
I I tried to explain to people like I the other day I wanted a triple tank triple healer comp 'cause we were like close to it. I'm like, guys, this is really good. Like this will actually work. And it it it d there's like some weird like rule set that people have from like other games that they just cannot see a world where they run anything other than like triple healer or two two two and and it it it really kind of bothers me and I I wish the community was more open-minded in that regard.
Nexuz (02:01:31.916)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (02:01:33.628)
This goes back to what I'm saying. Everybody plays well well, not everybody, but most people I ca I don't know. Can I say that most people go into a ranked match if they're solo queen and just playing for themselves rather than for the team? I I don't I don't know.
Nexuz (02:01:44.515)
Yeah, I wanted to say like I don't know if you guys may agree with this or not But I think support and I'll explain I just want to hear what you guys like yes or no on this I think support has had probably the most unfair treatment with character releases thus far Do you guys like agree? So Okay, okay, so
Coach Mills (02:01:57.916)
What do you what do you mean when do you when you say unfair, you mean like
Entei (02:01:59.515)
Yeah, I need you to elaborate before I agree.
Nexuz (02:02:05.324)
Let's say game drops, right? The game is released and then there's like five support characters and half of them you can't even play because of triple support, right? Then they drop Ultron, which is another triple support character, which you can't just simply hop on and play whenever you want because he's triple support, right? After Ultron, they dropped Gambit who was perma band. So now first release was Ultron, which you can't play half the time. Next character is just perma band. And then after that, they dropped white Fox, which was the first non perma band, non triple
support character in the last like half a year of the game and then after that they dropped Jubilee which is considered really terrible and your team will probably like throw if they see you on the character so I feel like from the release of the game they only had like one successful support that people actually kind of enjoyed which was White Fox and they kind of buffed her to where people hate her now but I feel like they had Ultron
Coach Mills (02:02:55.572)
I mean I mean you're kinda in a way you're suffering from success though. Like you're asking them to keep you in that pocket of like strong but not broken, right? I feel like that's really hard. Like it's not easy to do strong but not broken, especially for supports.
Nexuz (02:03:07.81)
Yeah, I think triple just sucked really badly because it made Ultron unplayable unless you were in it and then obviously Gambit drops and he's perma banned so he's not even really in the game it felt like and then so that they went Three you went three seasons as a support player with no new characters almost until white fox drops So I feel like that was just really unfair
CaptainCoach (02:03:08.955)
Coach Mills (02:03:28.242)
I see what you're saying. I I I get what you're saying. I get what you I g I understand what you're saying. I I don't know if that's just uniquely a support problem though, 'cause they they they fuck up in similar ways with DPS too. Like they fucked up with Blade. They fucked up the in the same way they fucked up with Gambit with Torch.
Entei (02:03:42.287)
At least DBS get popular characters though.
CaptainCoach (02:03:45.519)
Yeah, I mean
Coach Mills (02:03:46.429)
Yeah, well p well popularity. I mean Gambit's super popular. I mean that's popular. No, no, no, I know. I don't think it popular. I think I I think I it is is is is Blade more popular than Gambit? I'm actually curious. I don't think so. I don't think so. I do not think so at all. Well I don't think so. Maybe maybe you might you might be right.
Entei (02:03:50.768)
compared to what the like use permaban, like compared to like the popularity of like DPS role characters, like y'all got Lee, Daredevil, Phoenix
Nexuz (02:03:51.032)
Yeah, but he was perma-band. Like, he was just never playable.
Entei (02:04:04.261)
Yeah. I I would say I would say so. I think so I think so for sure.
iamsSt3v3n (02:04:04.785)
I don't think no. I don't think so. Well, we j well, actually you know what, never mind, I can't say that. They were just they were just both in the last Deadpool movie.
Nexuz (02:04:05.058)
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Coach Mills (02:04:14.802)
I think Blade could be more popular. They just have never supported it in the way that they should and like enabled it. I mean we're still waiting on the the fucking movie just got cancelled by the way, or like allegedly cancelled.
iamsSt3v3n (02:04:23.292)
The the series, yeah. I think
Entei (02:04:24.528)
Yeah, like the the movie with whatchamacallit. But like Blade jump started like the whole MCU, like way back when. Like that was the first movie that did well before Iron Man. Like that was the whole reason the Iron Man project got put into development. Because after the Blade series of movies did well, they were like, Okay, let's take another character.
Coach Mills (02:04:26.77)
Marshall Ali, I I think.
Nexuz (02:04:28.638)
Yeah, they hate Blade.
Coach Mills (02:04:31.816)
Who I
Coach Mills (02:04:42.28)
Was it Blade? I thought it was was Blade before X Men One? I don't even know. Blade One release. it was nineteen ninety eight, yeah, you're right. Yeah, that's old as fuck.
Entei (02:04:46.533)
Blade was before all that, yeah. Blade was like hold on, look it up. Yeah, like Blade was the first one that blew up and then after that they were like, Okay, bet there's actually potential here. Let's make a bunch of other movies.
CaptainCoach (02:04:47.259)
But
Coach Mills (02:04:57.874)
Okay, I just recently rewatched Blade One and Two actually with the fam.
Entei (02:05:02.052)
I've said.
CaptainCoach (02:05:02.275)
about the support thing I I think support over any role it it it has been affected by community perception more than the actual balance like raw output whatever you want to call of the heroes because I think it's pretty much expected by hero shooter the hero shooter community that you're gonna have at least two healers on the team and that's just because of how strong that I think get like
Coach Mills (02:05:05.384)
Not three though. Fuck three. yeah, di two years before.
CaptainCoach (02:05:31.481)
You you go back and look at a game like League or older games and and healers are are way, way weaker. Like there's been a power creep just from game to game of healers, just becoming stronger and stronger and stronger in these games. So people play them more. So I I I think the issue with the perception is that if your healer is not one of the best two to like four healers, y it's a a hero not worth picking. I mean, we saw that with Jeff.
Nexuz (02:05:43.362)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:05:55.311)
Where they pushed the rework, right? So Jeff was like strong, had a cool identity. I mean it was backline, so a lot of people didn't like it. But then they and they they did it the same thing with Rocket. He had a kinda unique all and they're they're kind of just homogenizing everything and making them so would you say that was that's the issue you're kinda referring to, Nexus, or or more j
Nexuz (02:05:59.524)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:06:07.884)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:06:12.128)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's just always been super strict with support because like let's say Elsa like currently right now Elsa Blackheart the best DPS in the game if you pick Bucky per se like your Your team wouldn't really care or if you pick any other DPS your team wouldn't really care unless it's one of the very bottom ones, right? Almost the same with tank not necessarily but with support it's like if you hop on like Adam or like White Fox like that comp from the beginning your team will not even give it a chance compared to like some B or C tier
CaptainCoach (02:06:39.812)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:06:42.062)
Dps like but if you pick some bad ones on support They'll never like never let it happen like your team will be complaining before you even get through and that's because support rules like probably the most important in my opinion so like Your team wants to have that like established back line with no like I guess chance of Mistaking anything or like this or that compared to DPS for tank so you can kind of pick what you want with more freedom
CaptainCoach (02:07:01.605)
Right.
Coach Mills (02:07:05.394)
I I mean you're kind of suffering from success a little bit there. I mean like like because of the well th there's just such a clear drop off between like if we think of like the top six supports in the game, like their ultimates are just stronger than like everything. Like they're so strong that it's like it feels like it feels like those should be classified completely in their like their own category. Like Jeff is not on the same level of those characters, so people don't treat as such. Like they
CaptainCoach (02:07:06.169)
Yeah, Mills
Nexuz (02:07:09.71)
Think so?
Nexuz (02:07:27.48)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:07:31.688)
I'm not saying they should. Like you can obviously win games with Jeff or Adam or whoever like whatever support, but like people's perception is that they need those really powerful ultimates versus like, yeah, like the difference between Iron Fist and fucking, you know, Elsa, there is a massive difference between the two characters, but it's like neither of neither of them like reach the level of like what what is necessary and like a supporting role.
Nexuz (02:07:53.997)
Yeah, there's just so much importance with like support that like if you're not with those six Then like people don't want to see it ever and that's really what sucks because there'll be games are like you you want to play Adam or you want to play Shrapool or you just want to play like some random stuff and like your team won't even walk out of spot until you swap because like they don't they don't see the Luna that they want or like the the gambit that they want and like it just really sucks and it's really bad because supports also have like
Supports have to usually play around the team. let's say Metrix on Iron Man, usually I'm the one that should swap for him, never the other way around, because as a support, I'm the enabler, right? So it's like...
If they're playing things, I have to swap according to my team. it feels like half the supports are triple support, so you can't really play them in 2-2-2. And then the other half don't have a transcendent ult. And then the other half, maybe they're not good for the comp that you want to play it into. So then you're stuck with like three options in a certain game for support. And it feels like horrendous sometimes. Like I want to play Shrap Pool and I literally just get slurred out.
CaptainCoach (02:08:52.067)
Yeah. Mills
Coach Mills (02:08:54.206)
No, I no, I I'll I'll I think Stratpool is a character that I've I've done the most on and gotten blamed for the loss out of any character I've ever played. Like you could you can do so much on that character and no one fucking understands. Or or like people don't even understand how your character functions. I can't tell you how many other support players they pop their ult when I'm about to trigger my jackpot. Or they run out of my tiny ass circle and die. Like DPS and supports they don't understand like the radius. I don't know. This is a lot of mis
Nexuz (02:09:02.398)
Yeah, yup, yup.
CaptainCoach (02:09:03.362)
Mm-hmm.
Nexuz (02:09:07.542)
acknowledges it, yeah.
Coach Mills (02:09:22.546)
I think there's a lot of misunderstandings about how that character even functions, to be honest with you.
Nexuz (02:09:26.466)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (02:09:26.662)
curious for like who for you guys like who do you guys think is the worst character in each role and be careful Captain.
CaptainCoach (02:09:32.609)
Mm-hmm. Well, I I I did want to kind of touch back on when Mills, when you were asking about your ideal meta for each role, when you mentioned Jeff, for me it's actually Jeff 'cause I just love a meta where it's not sub it's like support alt's just constantly being dropped down and there's
Coach Mills (02:09:46.248)
I mean the the problem is Jeff is gonna be mostly viable just in a dive comp. I mean I dive as a meta. That's my personal favorite, but not everyone is not everyone's cup of tea is for dive. You kinda gotta like cause cause what would you be your best DPS, coach? If it was Jeff for the support. Cause it would have 'cause I don't I can't see a Jeff meta where the best DPS is not a dive DPS.
Nexuz (02:09:46.52)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:09:58.735)
like that.
CaptainCoach (02:10:03.691)
I mean
CaptainCoach (02:10:11.887)
Well I I for me it's it's like not so much with I I I think supports kind of define how the games play out so much more than the other roles that I look at it more of like a at a macro sense for that, but like more of like a specific like what does a hero do? So it's for me it's like a hero with clear weaknesses as DPS being strong. So it they're reliant on like another hero to enable them. So like Yeah, okay. So an e an example would be like Moon Knight.
iamsSt3v3n (02:10:34.076)
Hmm!
Entei (02:10:36.549)
Damn. Damn.
CaptainCoach (02:10:39.255)
Moon Knight would be like a good meta to me 'cause I think you can dive him, but like you know, you team up and then y t with like a Groot and then all of a sudden he becomes better.
Coach Mills (02:10:44.956)
Yeah. Well I I'm I I like to I'm well I kinda go the next step is like how strong would Munai need to be to actually be the best DPS in the game? Like what would they have to you know, what would they have to do to that character for him to be the best?
Entei (02:10:57.575)
Just buff his damage. Just buff his damage. That's really all he's missing. If he buff his damage, he just becomes disgusting. Cause right we're kinda in a brawl bed of a thing.
iamsSt3v3n (02:10:57.724)
I think that depends on maps as well. Like, you know, I think
Coach Mills (02:11:05.596)
I mean well he could still get he could still get us I think that character is dog shit. I think I still think that character is bad. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. That's funny that we all disagree on the character though. You play Loki, bro. You are the b most biased care player ever. You play Loki. Just fucking kill him.
Nexuz (02:11:06.606)
Nah, think Moon Knight's great already to be honest. I feel like... I feel like he's good.
iamsSt3v3n (02:11:08.636)
No, I think it just depends on like
I I think I think I'd probably I'd probably no
Nexuz (02:11:15.172)
I Think I think he's good. I think he's good My only my only DPS my only DPS characters Moon Knight. He's the only DPS character I play Moon Knight I've lured on him. I played him a lot when I have to fill
CaptainCoach (02:11:16.431)
Mm-hmm.
iamsSt3v3n (02:11:20.262)
No, I'd probably I
CaptainCoach (02:11:23.099)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (02:11:29.278)
W you see when you play Moon Knight, you're a Moon Knight with a brain. No, I'm sorry. All right. I'm I'm sorry. Okay.
iamsSt3v3n (02:11:29.298)
Yeah, I think
Entei (02:11:30.107)
That's the little evil, I'm not gonna lie.
iamsSt3v3n (02:11:33.264)
No, I used to a couple of seasons ago
CaptainCoach (02:11:34.714)
Mm-hmm.
iamsSt3v3n (02:11:36.624)
A couple of seasons ago I would always just every convergence map on attack just run out with Moonight. I think there's like certain maps that cater or certain modes that cater towards like specific character, if it's like breaking spawn, or like cat or like or like capturing point first and like a domination like with like Venom or something like that. I think it just caters like d characters cater more to like the types of like environment, you know. So I think Moonite helps out if I'm like on a central park or, you know, trying to attack, you know, against like a dino and stuff like that. So I'd probably I I I'd
Entei (02:11:46.543)
That's also true. I agree with that.
Coach Mills (02:12:06.526)
Yeah, yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:12:07.899)
I feel like he's more niche and and heroes that are just generically usable sh even if they take more skills, shouldn't just always be the best because you can just plug them and pick Like I I do think that DPS should have to worry about comp like the other roles to an extent. And it's to me like half the DPS roster is really good and the other half is just not even worth picking. And that and I I think that's kind of the issue with the the role personally.
Coach Mills (02:12:30.012)
It it's it's it's kind of well like tanks and supports have like these structured responsibilities and DPS just have this general responsibility. Like that's why DPS are so much more interchangeable. They just don't have they just don't have anything they have to do. They just have to contribu contribute pressure and control angles. That's like literally all they have to do and sometimes confirm kills, but like they don't even really need to confirm kills depending on the type of DPS they are, as long as they're outputting enough pressure. So like
Yeah, I mean that that's just why like you know, DPS players just get to do whatever the fuck they want in this in select screen and not get flame for it unless you pick one to b basically.
CaptainCoach (02:13:08.155)
Mm-hmm.
Nexuz (02:13:08.578)
Yeah, I mean I
I to say though that like because people complain about support ults all the time, right? Like I feel like support ults people hate them. It's like you wait 10 seconds for one and then another one comes out and you're like, well they're on triple support. There's a third one, right? And it's just like, it's insufferable, right? But there are some ults in the game that if you don't have like a support ult, you just auto lose. Like for instance, Starlord, unless you have a mag or Emma, I guess, but like Starlord's ult has been so broken for like so long at this point, that's never going to be changed.
CaptainCoach (02:13:32.496)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:13:40.183)
and then you have WoVolt. I think WoVolt is like ridiculously broken like I pop ult on Hulk or I'll pop like Venom ult and I'm like I have 800 over health and then I get WoVolted and it just never existed ever and he one shots tanks he one shots supports he one shots DPS with his ult
Coach Mills (02:13:44.533)
yeah, I agreed.
Nexuz (02:13:57.709)
Psylocke's kind of arguable. I don't think it's as broken, but there are just some ults in the game where like literally if you don't have an answer for it like aka a support ult then like you're going to die to it every time so like it's not just simply a let's remove the support ults thing I think it's more of like a let's remove the ults that make it so you need a support ult for it like just balance around that
iamsSt3v3n (02:14:03.365)
Ha ha ha.
Coach Mills (02:14:15.54)
'Cause I'm I'm curious what you think about that, this, but my my general philosophy has always been the ultimates that are press a button, kill, or press a button, live, are bad. Like like they're poorly balanced and they're they're poorly inspired. Where they they just do the one th and and it goes both ways, right? Like that's what Star Lord Ultimate is, is press a button, kill. That's literally all it is. yeah, g yeah, yeah. And like and like things should require I don't know, skill to execute more. They should require skill to execute or like
CaptainCoach (02:14:15.817)
Mm. Yeah.
Nexuz (02:14:28.418)
Yeah, absolutely.
Coach Mills (02:14:45.342)
But could you could you imagine a world where like s maybe support ults are weaker, Star Little is similar, but it does like maybe thirty percent of the damage, thirty five percent of the dam something a lot less that requires you to like bait out cooldowns and use it, you know, in the right situation, blah blah blah. You know, like like a and you would have to nerf like all these ults, but like
Nexuz (02:14:59.32)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (02:15:04.913)
You sound like my chat where they're like, imagine a world where one is all is C C immune. Never.
Nexuz (02:15:05.058)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:15:09.668)
You
Coach Mills (02:15:09.838)
shit.
CaptainCoach (02:15:10.149)
Mm-hmm.
Nexuz (02:15:12.108)
No, we don't need that. We don't need that. Imagine that in a transle that would just break the game
mehtric (02:15:12.238)
I feel like Star Lord is balanced.
mehtric (02:15:17.616)
Is Starler not balanced?
Coach Mills (02:15:20.004)
yeah, yeah, he's balanced, but not as maybe not as old. You his ult's balanced?
CaptainCoach (02:15:20.315)
Starler at all?
Nexuz (02:15:22.081)
Yeah.
mehtric (02:15:23.739)
I feel like it's all super balanced. Just you can kill him out the air, just run away from it. Like I feel like it's balanced.
Nexuz (02:15:25.54)
Don't say it. Don't say it.
Coach Mills (02:15:27.796)
Maybe if he didn't have if he didn't have two flips that make him invulnerable, like immortality flips.
mehtric (02:15:33.433)
I I play Star Lord, so I
Nexuz (02:15:34.178)
metric metric bro there's no way I promise you there's no way starler adult is balanced bro
Coach Mills (02:15:37.543)
I know that's
mehtric (02:15:39.921)
Bro, I I kill Star Lords out the air, bro, with the Iron Man.
iamsSt3v3n (02:15:40.081)
Mills, you don't think Wanda's the worst character in the game, do you?
Coach Mills (02:15:42.565)
No, I think the worst character in the game is Hawkeye. Yep. No, no. It is. He's so fucking terrible. No, he's terrible. He's terrible. It's so bad, bro. There's fucking Hawkeye one tricks that have consistent top of Hunter. They're sucking Grand Master right now. Like it
Nexuz (02:15:45.636)
No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm done with that Lerp. I've heard so much Hawkeye Lerp. I... no, no, no.
iamsSt3v3n (02:15:52.081)
Thank you, Mills. I appreciate that.
iamsSt3v3n (02:15:58.919)
Captain Usy laughing over there.
CaptainCoach (02:16:01.381)
Yeah. I I think Hawkeye's decent.
Nexuz (02:16:01.966)
Bro, Hawkeye, like his new team up is so broken.
iamsSt3v3n (02:16:02.714)
So it's
Coach Mills (02:16:05.168)
No, it's terrible. It the character is just i the character is the character is such a glass cannon character that dies to air. He literally just dies to air. Like the only way to keep him alive is to give him a cotr a quadruple pocket and like even then
Nexuz (02:16:08.226)
His new team-up is so-
Nexuz (02:16:19.298)
Yeah, I agree with that. I think the other thing about ults in this game is that like for instance you look at Overwatch, right? Like let's say Zarya ults. She like most of time will need her team to follow up on it. But like let's say Groot comes off the top rope. He can ult and he has enough damage himself to just kill everyone in the ult. Like there's no there's not necessarily
Coach Mills (02:16:35.124)
I mean it's it's kind it's kinda similar to it's kinda similar to Overwatch one Zarya. I mean with full charge you could fuck up. But it it it it was different. 'Cause you could
Nexuz (02:16:44.866)
Well, yeah, yeah. And then like, let's say, let's say Ryan or sorry, you go, go.
Coach Mills (02:16:51.004)
Well 'cause yeah, yeah, 'cause he can cleave through like everybody. Like the with the walls and stuff. Yeah.
Nexuz (02:16:56.802)
Yeah, the wall is just like like you almost just die right away and it's just like miserable and then like let's look at Let's look at strange strange will like hit you with the eye like his ult and then like just one shot you after it's just like damn Yeah, it's not it's not it's definitely there's definitely counter plays definitely counter play but Yeah, but I think they need to remove all of the damage boost in the game all of it just has to go the game is so unhealthy with damage boost Just remove it from the game
Coach Mills (02:16:59.474)
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that is actually a true good point.
Coach Mills (02:17:09.192)
Hey that that shit's not easy, bro. That that's that is that is not an easy one.
iamsSt3v3n (02:17:12.903)
Mm-hmm. Not when you have lunar lunar charm.
Entei (02:17:22.183)
huh.
Coach Mills (02:17:25.556)
Well w what do you th what do you think, Ente? What's your thoughts?
Nexuz (02:17:27.318)
I don't think...
Entei (02:17:28.635)
I'm hearing him out. I'm hearing him out. I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking it over.
Coach Mills (02:17:31.924)
What would that be? Like Mantis, Storm?
Entei (02:17:34.363)
Like Rock what happens to like Rocket All? Like
iamsSt3v3n (02:17:35.13)
Ultron.
Coach Mills (02:17:36.037)
Rocket Rocketal
iamsSt3v3n (02:17:37.849)
Ultron.
Nexuz (02:17:38.186)
No, I think there's like I guess things like rocket like ultimates can keep it because I feel like that's more fair Like I feel like ultimates
Entei (02:17:43.537)
I was thinking about like Rocket, Luna, suddenly it becomes like it just becomes a heel bot simulator.
iamsSt3v3n (02:17:46.703)
I see what you mean. You basically just mean like base damage boost.
Nexuz (02:17:50.105)
Yeah, I think Ultimates should keep their identity if it's damage boost, that's fine. I feel like things like Storm, Mantis, damage boost were like, you just blow up and like, it also helps against solo tanks as well. That like, they shouldn't have to fight into like a whole amped up team of damage boosts or like, you know, it's just miserable. Like it's it's insufferable to just sit there and like, the whole team's damage boosted.
CaptainCoach (02:18:04.851)
my god, yeah.
That is the worst.
Coach Mills (02:18:09.032)
I mean I so so here's the thing. I fucking agree with you. I agree with you if we fucking nerf the thing, bro. Like get that character out of my fucking game. Get that character out of my game. No. You need damage to deal with that motherfucker. Like it's so cancer. No, no, no. Let's delete the thing and then la sure, let's do it. I'm down.
CaptainCoach (02:18:17.035)
Whoa. The thing gets destroyed by a comp like that.
Nexuz (02:18:17.654)
Nothing
iamsSt3v3n (02:18:18.8)
Why?
Entei (02:18:19.333)
No, he's right, he's right, he's right, he's right.
CaptainCoach (02:18:25.301)
You're skipping steps, you're skipping steps.
Entei (02:18:30.009)
Like we can do can we just delete the thing like just normally even without getting rid of the damage boost? We can just delete thing. Thing is so necessary. I just ran a lot I just ran a celestial lobby on thing. I just ran a C2 lobby just holding right click. I don't have to do anything but hold right click.
CaptainCoach (02:18:30.021)
No, nerf nerf the damage first.
Nexuz (02:18:33.673)
No, thing is so necessary for the game. Thing is so necessary.
Coach Mills (02:18:35.548)
No, no. No he's not he is not. He is so not.
CaptainCoach (02:18:36.914)
I I kind of agree.
Coach Mills (02:18:42.31)
Yeah, it's
Yeah you yeah you You so like it I hate characters that require you to convince your team to swap to what you need. And the thing is like the top one on that list for me. No, yes.
CaptainCoach (02:18:47.909)
Just swap, bro.
Nexuz (02:18:50.892)
Yeah, yeah.
Entei (02:19:00.719)
Lit bro, we're in the game. The they bro, it took them three it took them three spawn holds for them to realize, yeah, we we're probably just we should match thing. By then it was too late.
CaptainCoach (02:19:00.891)
Mm not as much as you'd think.
Coach Mills (02:19:11.92)
It i if if you have double flanker, you're never killing the thing. You're just never fucking killing the thing. Like that you don't have any damage on him. He's just he's just full HP. Like like I have to convince my fucking lord Spider Man. Which one?
Nexuz (02:19:12.43)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:19:16.514)
Yeah, enter.
Nexuz (02:19:21.348)
Have you guys seen the video?
There's a video of like this guy who hit celestial with a Wii remote motion controls playing thing and he would just like Like it's a real video it's a real video I don't remember his name. I'll link it in the group chat before we end it, but he He would like be standing up He would be standing up He'll be like standing up
Coach Mills (02:19:33.33)
Yeah, it's it's it's the most brain dead fucking character in the game. I hate this character. my god. I'm not even surprised. I actually think the thing is unironically the easiest character in the game to play at a r at a
CaptainCoach (02:19:38.555)
Wait, what's his name?
Entei (02:19:48.591)
He is? You're just I'm I'm going to stream right now. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm looking at the game that I won. Look. The last game I played thing.
CaptainCoach (02:19:50.793)
Steady
mehtric (02:19:54.397)
He's not easier than Rocket.
Coach Mills (02:19:56.481)
Yo chat, wait, you can click share your screen on the bottom. You should be able to. Yeah the the share button.
Entei (02:19:59.389)
All right, hold on, hold on. Say that.
iamsSt3v3n (02:19:59.522)
Hey listen, I I think you guys saying Thing is the easiest character in the game is the best thing I've ever heard in my life. You know?
Nexuz (02:20:05.444)
This guy is so jullified.
Coach Mills (02:20:06.396)
I mean, I I I'd say like I think Wanda gets a lot of value at her floor, but she's anything but easy to play in high levels. Like, she's she's not easy at all.
mehtric (02:20:06.639)
I think Rocket is easier.
CaptainCoach (02:20:10.44)
I I think rocket is harder than thing.
Entei (02:20:11.963)
Let me tell you something. Hold on, wait, wait. Let me share this shit.
iamsSt3v3n (02:20:13.005)
Mills, I pr I appreciate that comment so much, Mills.
mehtric (02:20:16.253)
You think rock is harder than a thing?
Coach Mills (02:20:17.416)
But but but the thing is the opposite. The thing is the fucking opposite. Anyone with one brain cell can play the fucking thing at a h like and get so much value.
CaptainCoach (02:20:18.041)
Yeah, yeah. I play I play both. I play both.
Entei (02:20:23.41)
Look at this bullshit, right? Look at these two games. I'm just holding right click for these two games. I'm just holding right click. I'm- look look at how much damage I absorbed for this game. 42,000 damage blocked, and I'm just sitting holding right click.
Coach Mills (02:20:27.868)
Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, dude.
CaptainCoach (02:20:29.551)
Ha ha ha.
iamsSt3v3n (02:20:34.467)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (02:20:37.682)
Like wait go go to go to your other game, the other game, the one down below. Like, like okay, so like Okay, the the Spider Man win Hahahaha But that but that's what I'm talking about is like if if if you're the fucking Hulk player on that losing team, there's nothing you could do to win that game besides get your fucking magic and spider man off those characters. You're gonna lose.
CaptainCoach (02:20:39.203)
Entei (02:20:42.937)
And look what they're forcing into it. Look what they're forcing into it.
Nexuz (02:20:49.58)
Yeah.
Entei (02:20:54.971)
You want you want you wanna know who was crying the most? Bro, Nier Pear was saying that he was begging everyone in the game to swap and nobody just swapped for this. No one. Out of soul.
Coach Mills (02:21:04.028)
Yeah, 'cause this they can Spider Man magic will never kill the thing. They they will never.
Entei (02:21:07.631)
No, I want you no, I you know, watch this, watch this, right? No, no, no, watch this. You think I'm joking? It's literally so easy. It's literally so easy. I kid you not, this is the easiest shit in the world.
I'm going to go to first game. No one.
I want you to look what we did, right? We just run them we just run them the fuck over, right?
CaptainCoach (02:21:31.383)
our our first ever ClearComs VOD review.
Coach Mills (02:21:33.618)
Yeah, this is fucking cancer by the way. Just this character.
iamsSt3v3n (02:21:38.171)
Yeah, d don't fry your p don't fry your PC now.
Entei (02:21:38.257)
Look, look what we do. I just run in. I don't do anything. I'm just holding right click. I'm just holding right click.
CaptainCoach (02:21:42.271)
he's the first true melee anchor tank.
Coach Mills (02:21:45.192)
Yeah, look at this fuck look at this gameplay loop, bro. Look at this look at the and dude
Entei (02:21:47.643)
Look at this. I'm just holding right click. I'm liter and it's working. I'm not doing anything with holding right click.
CaptainCoach (02:21:51.205)
Nah, it's this is skelet. This is this is good gameplay, this W. I agree.
Nexuz (02:21:54.103)
It's necessary for the game bro. It's necessary for the game It's necessary it's so necessary it's so necessary
Coach Mills (02:21:57.66)
No, it's not necessary! There is nothing necessary! There's nothing necessary! No. No. my god, dude. Yeah, wait, wait, pr press N, press N and look at your health bar. Is your health bar even moving? Like like what are we talking about, dude? my god.
CaptainCoach (02:21:59.065)
It it is it is necessary. He's just overtuned.
Entei (02:21:59.173)
Look at this, look at this! I'm just looking at this! Look at this! Look, let's go to the next team fight. Let's go to the next team fight, right? Let's go to the next team fight. Look at this. Once again. Look! Right click! Right just almost just holding right click!
CaptainCoach (02:22:04.601)
They need to he's just overtuned, Mills.
Nexuz (02:22:10.656)
It's so necessary.
Nexuz (02:22:16.612)
Hahaha
Entei (02:22:19.24)
It's not going down. nice. Let's go to the next team fight. Look at this bullshit. Let's go to the next team fight. Look at this. Look at this bullshit. Look at this. manchislo. Nope. We built up all cause I'm just battering support ults. I just walk back line for free. CC doesn't work. my gosh. Look at that.
iamsSt3v3n (02:22:22.919)
Mm-hmm.
Nexuz (02:22:24.76)
Bro, it's so.
CaptainCoach (02:22:24.891)
this is good.
Coach Mills (02:22:28.505)
my god.
CaptainCoach (02:22:35.279)
Yeah.
This we deserve this. Tanks deserve this for what we've had to suffer.
Coach Mills (02:22:41.48)
D this guy gatekeeps the entire tank roster. So many tanks can't be played because of this motherfucker.
Entei (02:22:41.669)
Like why? That's that's Like it's the it's there's no there's like for what?
CaptainCoach (02:22:48.323)
He needs slight nerves. So he doesn't need much. He doesn't need much.
Coach Mills (02:22:50.632)
DELETE HIM!
Entei (02:22:52.431)
No, look at this. Look at this blue shit. Look at this blue shit. I I just I I look at this. I just walk in. I'm walking back line. look at that. You just run him over. Look at that. my God.
Nexuz (02:22:53.848)
Hold on, I found the Wii Remote guy.
CaptainCoach (02:22:57.152)
yeah yeah yeah possibly.
CaptainCoach (02:23:07.855)
Yeah, they're not.
Nexuz (02:23:07.972)
Hold on, let me show the Wii Remote guy. Let me show the Wii Remote guy.
Entei (02:23:09.797)
Why? Why is that a thing? Why?
Coach Mills (02:23:10.909)
Okay.
Nexuz (02:23:13.238)
Let me see here.
iamsSt3v3n (02:23:14.555)
We remote
Entei (02:23:15.407)
Mind you, this entire thing I don't think I pressed left click one singular time.
CaptainCoach (02:23:15.525)
He's a he's just here we go.
Coach Mills (02:23:18.516)
Wait wait wait does it have any copyright music? no copyright music, right? my fucking god. What the fuck is that?
Nexuz (02:23:18.98)
Look, and he's standing?
CaptainCoach (02:23:20.45)
yeah, like
Entei (02:23:26.425)
Yo, chat, look at this.
iamsSt3v3n (02:23:30.405)
Ha ha ha ha.
CaptainCoach (02:23:32.251)
Who Yo Gindazes Holy shit
Coach Mills (02:23:32.436)
I give me the music.
Nexuz (02:23:33.988)
This is real.
mehtric (02:23:34.503)
Mm.
Entei (02:23:35.888)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:23:40.324)
It's real
iamsSt3v3n (02:23:45.262)
The way he held up his fist.
CaptainCoach (02:23:46.703)
Bro, properly being able to take your anger out on your teammates right there your opponents.
Nexuz (02:23:46.946)
So yeah, yo, it's real. It's real, it's real, it's real.
Entei (02:23:49.489)
that's hilarious. my god, that's deep.
mehtric (02:23:50.715)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:23:51.476)
Dude, this fucking character man.
CaptainCoach (02:23:56.196)
That's so good, actually. Shit, I gotta do something like that now. I'll do it with two, with the hulk hulk punches. Figure out something.
Nexuz (02:24:06.66)
Yeah, you gotta like stand, just good cardio, bro, it's good cardio.
CaptainCoach (02:24:06.681)
Got a tracker here.
Entei (02:24:08.625)
But no, seriously, can we delete the thing from the game? Like I played him for two games, I just held right click the entire time.
Nexuz (02:24:15.3)
Bro, it's necessary, bro. It's necessary. Bro, because when there's a Didi in the back, when there's a Didi in the back line, I need, I need thing, bro. When I'm getting...
Coach Mills (02:24:17.108)
Let's go back to full screen.
Entei (02:24:17.55)
How is that necessary explain? You got the veins poppin' out, like look how visibly egg look the veins are popping out of like
iamsSt3v3n (02:24:31.771)
Well, w w at what at at what rank at what rank do you guys feel like people should just understand like basic comps? Like like you know, I feel like I feel like right, like I feel like at like even Gym or like Celestials, you have to like really like ask yourself, like, why are we playing like this into this? And yet they'll still play it. Like, you know, I'm trying to think of just like some certain comps, but you it's just it's just so many.
CaptainCoach (02:24:32.123)
Yeah.
Entei (02:24:39.643)
Diamond, but it's not the case.
Nexuz (02:24:55.652)
70 % win rate is insane by the way bro good good work on that 70 % Wanda that's that's insane
iamsSt3v3n (02:25:02.715)
Nah, the only problem is you know, I j the only problem is keeping it. My own I'm only trying to keep it this time. I'd never cared any other season. I'm only just trying to keep it this time for flats and that's it. If I can get that flats ba video, then if I can get listen, I'm there's only like so many of us like creators. I think that if you're gonna you know if you gonna if you do it do it justice, you know?
CaptainCoach (02:25:16.379)
You want Flats to notice you?
Coach Mills (02:25:25.62)
We lost them.
iamsSt3v3n (02:25:29.595)
Well no, 'cause Flatz does a lot of spectated concepts. People told me that the reason why like I guess Japanese curry blew up on cap is because he like what cap like the number one cap like every season I guess and then he got like his VOS reviews by like tournaments, flats and all that stuff. I don't know how like that stuff works. But shit, I might I might try to take that opportunity.
CaptainCoach (02:25:45.573)
So what you mentioned earlier that you have different gameplay than other Wandas. What makes you different? Like what do you do differently that gives you the edge with with the win rate?
iamsSt3v3n (02:25:53.927)
For example, I have the hardest I'm okay, let me not say that. That's kind of a dumb statement. For example, my ultimate is kinda like hard to hit, right? I'll cancel Hella's ultimate. I'll cancel Cloak and Dagger's ultimate. you know, basically, you know, this is stuff that not a like a lot of wanders do. I'll use like a lot of the portals and like certain Krokoa maps to kinda like make somebody think I'm over here, but in reality I'm over here. you know.
CaptainCoach (02:26:03.995)
Mm.
Coach Mills (02:26:08.947)
Mm.
Coach Mills (02:26:14.376)
So one thing I will tell you, Steven, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say his name, but someone on TikTok that I know, a mutual, he messaged me and he said, Can you get me on as the rank one Wanda? I hit one above all on Wanda, and he said he sent me a screenshot. That's what he said. Someone messaged me that. That they said that. And I said, No, I already got the rank one Wanda booked, but maybe I'll get you on in a future episode. That's what he said. I'm just letting you know.
CaptainCoach (02:26:40.133)
Together with him.
iamsSt3v3n (02:26:41.189)
What what, me and him?
Coach Mills (02:26:41.212)
I'm just letting you know, I'm just letting you know that you you you gotta you gotta hit one above all so you can take the you can take the chain.
iamsSt3v3n (02:26:46.455)
No, I mean for sure if I mean if the motivation is like possible, like I mean it it's like listen listen I've I've been doing this for so long. And then I also work like no but no in all seriousness in order for me to do something like that, I know it's like possible, but I'd have to like I'd have to have a couple, you know, like I'd I'd have to have like one h
Coach Mills (02:26:50.548)
That's what he said. He said he hit it that way I'm just letting I'm just I don't shoot the messenger. I'm just saying. This is the one who's messaging
Entei (02:26:51.781)
Nah nigger, let your nuts hang. Let your nuts hang. Yeah yeah, one above all.
iamsSt3v3n (02:27:14.073)
heavy hitter, maybe like a the best Jubilee by my side or like the best somebody 'cause again, like, you know, due to her playstyle, like I'm not gonna just like randomly throw anybody's game in like solo queue 'cause I know it's kinda hard to do that. But no I meant
CaptainCoach (02:27:28.729)
Maybe I'll pick up Jubilee for our support challenge, Mills. Maybe that
Coach Mills (02:27:30.791)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (02:27:31.589)
No, I've I've I've always just been focused more on like content creation than trying to hit like one above all with it. Like if if if you just so happen to hit one above all with the character and then nothing happened after, that's it. No. Like I want I want if I'm if that's my journey, if you know. Ex exactly, like you know
Coach Mills (02:27:45.394)
It it could it could be it could be, I don't know, you could make it a video, you know?
Entei (02:27:49.145)
If I'm being real with you, bro, I would s I would like say go for at least eternity one season. I did it one season so I could get people to shut the hell up about it.
iamsSt3v3n (02:27:58.16)
Well well, here's the thing, like I'm I'm on the tracker now, like I'm pushing I'm consistently pushing. Like I'm on pace to like I'm on pace to just continue like ranking up the season. But it's also just more of like a
like motivation thing 'cause my mind is just so focused on like content. I'm focused on the tournament like next month. I'm focusing on the next wanda video, the next skin video. But for me to like rank this a headache, I'm not gonna lie. And then I have to wait for my friends to get on for me to do that 'cause, you know, I'm n I'm not I'm not gonna throw it. Like I'm not I know my character very well. It's n you know
CaptainCoach (02:28:30.671)
Yeah. At least you take it seriously, like respect for that, 'cause I definitely wish I could do that better. I play I I I don't know when to stop. Like I play way too much, I feel like. that's important though.
Coach Mills (02:28:40.128)
Mm.
Nexuz (02:28:43.027)
Metric, have you ever hit one above all on Iron Man? Have you ever hit one above all on Iron Man?
Coach Mills (02:28:43.314)
Wait, ha wait, so you said you
mehtric (02:28:46.823)
So what?
Haven't hit one above all on Iron Man. No. I hit Eternity, but not one above all yet. I feel like it's possible, but I might need an Ultron duo. Like like he said, the Jubilee, a good Jubilee, I might need a good Ultron or something.
iamsSt3v3n (02:29:01.243)
Like, for a content it would slap but like you need certain things in order just to make that happen. Like nowadays you y you can't
Entei (02:29:04.103)
Yeah, comment.
Coach Mills (02:29:06.878)
That ultra ultra? That would be fun. That'd be fun about you.
iamsSt3v3n (02:29:11.003)
You can't just bypass your way into OA and I mean and and I'm not you know, it's just like congrat congrats to who if s I'm sure it's everybody or somebody must have like done it before but like I'd rather do it for like a banger video. But the day that I'm ready to do that, I gotta call the hi the the heavy hitters for it, you know? For for that.
mehtric (02:29:11.313)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:29:31.188)
Yeah, I 'cause the thing is I I do get like needing help 'cause like on my alt account I use the Mantis team up and I got to eternity like so much quicker than I ever could have on the Hella team up, but on my main I use a Hella team up 'cause for content and stuff. And like
I literally it just sucks because I can't save my team half the time 'cause I don't have the bigger runes. But like I can go for stupider things. So it's like at some point it's like, do you wanna have fun? Or do you just wanna like you know, play optimally? And at some point when you cue so much hours and so much games, like
Coach Mills (02:29:56.029)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:30:04.105)
Like Mills was saying earlier, you're you're more willing to just like soft throw a game because it's like, okay, I've been doing it for too long, people don't listen, I'll just hop on some random stuff. And like Mills and I, we were like four games back to back at one point, and like we we're just trading back and forth, and sometimes I had some crazy people, sometimes he did, and there'll be times where like he'd think you'd kill me there, but I just have the team up and I just live. And then like so it's a lot of fun, but
Coach Mills (02:30:18.971)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:30:27.068)
Yeah, I know.
CaptainCoach (02:30:27.834)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:30:31.197)
Unfortunately feels like the fun team ups are the bad ones and the bad team ups are the or the good team ups are just boring so you just don't want to use them. That's what it feels like.
Entei (02:30:39.053)
Once again, has anybody in this call seen a Black Panther use the magic team up? At all? No, seriously, I wanna know. Like, have y'all seen it?
Coach Mills (02:30:47.718)
I I ha has anyone in this call seen a Black Panther win a fucking game? That character is terrible.
Nexuz (02:30:51.199)
Bro, I forgot I forgot the magic team up even came back. I thought it was still the gamma team up. That's how like I've that's how much I've never seen it.
Coach Mills (02:30:54.994)
Well how how did
How do y how do y'all feel about Black Panther, by the way? Like the character?
Entei (02:31:01.455)
I think that most that I I made a video about this. I would rather just play the video for the podcast instead instead of that like just trying to like summarize it fully. But essentially what I said was that Black Panther forces players to do what they should be doing for the entire game, specifically support players, which is just preying his dive. Because if you catch him before he's able to dive you or you're able to look where he's diving from, it's like a thousand times easier to escape his dive.
iamsSt3v3n (02:31:02.715)
I like him.
Coach Mills (02:31:08.692)
Don't don't do that! Don't do that.
Entei (02:31:31.811)
Also the fact that they n they gutted him. He can't one shot two fifty anymore with that stupid ass combo. Just mark him and he's just becomes fucking useless.
Nexuz (02:31:35.519)
Yeah, like you mark him.
iamsSt3v3n (02:31:40.593)
Trust, me and Metric are gonna go on our on our run with our OTPs. Trust, you know. J we're we're just all we just need is just that one day of just like, you what, I'm going for it. And it's just it's just happening.
Coach Mills (02:31:44.79)
Ha ha
Nexuz (02:31:49.939)
Nah, the BP is like probably the dumbest character I've ever seen in Rivals. Like, in terms of just the way the character's design. Like, I will sit here, I will be walking forward, immediately just two tap gone from the game. And I'm like, yo, what just happened to me?
Coach Mills (02:31:54.73)
Ha ha ha
Coach Mills (02:32:03.827)
Yeah, 'cause you're two fifty, right? Yeah, yeah. Loki's been the victim to that shit forever. It's crazy.
Nexuz (02:32:05.939)
Yeah, I'm two fifty. Yeah. A and also like my clones, he gets resets off of them. So I will sit here and say like over and over again, Panther needs to be bad for the game to be fun. And that's just it just has to be like that. Unless they rework him. He is just miserable to play into. It's like the DPS and tanks, like they peel for him, but like he's so fast that like literally they're sitting there just as clueless as the supports.
Coach Mills (02:32:11.102)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:32:29.299)
And then the supports just like sit there and they paddy cake and eventually he breaks through and it's just miserable to play into. Or if you don't look at your support the same moment Panther dies, they just die. It's just miserable and he's so poorly designed too because he just like again if you mark him and his whole character's gone or he misses a dash and he's not even a character anymore. It's just the design of the character is so bad. I'm surprised they didn't rework him before Widow.
Coach Mills (02:32:38.014)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:32:49.83)
It's funny because you and I like we have similar i it it what it really comes down to is characters that make you feel like you have no agency. Is like that's what is frustrating. Like I'm frustrated by the thing 'cause I feel like I I don't have agency. You're frustrated by BP because he feels like you like in general I think Nettie should seek to give everyone as much agency as possible and not promote designs that give certain players no agency. Like BP and like
Nexuz (02:32:59.627)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:33:05.823)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:33:14.44)
Probably a lot of flyers too. I mean that they did they did that thing where they gave everyone like a grounding ability that one season where when we were in a flyer meta. I don't know if y'all remember that. Give people some agency against it.
Nexuz (02:33:22.963)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (02:33:26.595)
I th I think we're at the point with B P where
Nexuz (02:33:28.329)
I think they need to just remove No, you go, you go.
CaptainCoach (02:33:32.079)
Well we're we're like we're post like clip farm meta with that hero. Like we've seen all the clips, we've seen all the one shots. Like let's let's take the next step here and and do I mean, I don't really like what they did with widow, but I think with BP you could keep the the whole dash identity and and just go like a different direction with it and still have maybe even make it crazier because he stays alive longer. Yeah, yeah.
Coach Mills (02:33:36.466)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:33:37.396)
Mm.
Coach Mills (02:33:50.944)
wait. Can I can I pitch can I pitch my my concept to these fighting game players? So here's my con ma Nexus probably would fucking hate this. But here's my concept. He has a bar where every the so it needs three you need three dashes. Wait, wait, wait, whoa. Hey, yeah, yo, hear me out. Three dashes, so you have to trigger three dashes to get the bar. And it's like a combo breaker, like in a fighting game. Where you have to do one soft dive plus another dash. So you need you need three dashes total. And then you can use it to pop out of a C C. It's like
Entei (02:34:02.279)
Stop, I'm already not liking it.
CaptainCoach (02:34:05.048)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (02:34:20.178)
Like it would pop you out of a CC. You you can't continue the combo necessarily. You'd pop you out of the C C and live. Yeah, yeah. But you ha but you have to cycle in first. Like you have to cycle in. It's a combo breaker. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. You would have to you would have you would have to you would have to nerf no, you would have to nerf the character's damage by quite a bit, but you give him a way to get out of an engagement. So like you would have to nerf his w you you would nerf his power, but but basically what you let him do is you let him cycle in once on lesser cooldowns.
Nexuz (02:34:20.971)
No no no. Nope.
Entei (02:34:23.653)
Nigger, you're giving him an install?
Entei (02:34:29.103)
You're you're doing it. So wait, wait, wait, wait, let me get this straight. We keep the dashes. We change virtually nothing about the character.
Nexuz (02:34:30.155)
No, no no.
Nexuz (02:34:42.404)
okay, okay. Okay.
Entei (02:34:42.896)
Okay.
Coach Mills (02:34:49.992)
with less damage to build up an anti CC and then he can cycle in really hard the next time and get out if he if he gets caught out.
Nexuz (02:34:56.107)
But I I feel like that makes him I feel like that makes him way more feast or famine though.
Entei (02:34:56.273)
I'm not gonna lie, Low Elo would hate that though, 'cause Low Elo can't deal with a BP.
Coach Mills (02:34:59.283)
Well
Nexuz (02:35:02.347)
'Cause like the biggest problem with BP is that he's so feast or famine, but like that kinda like ties it like that amps that up by so long because like now it's like you're not doing that much damage on your first few engagements and then when you finally do, it's like you're either gonna just obliterate the backline or you're just gonna die like you usually do. And like it's gonna feel so much worse because you're spending that time building it up and then like you just s if you don't you're not gonna feel enjoyment if you don't get a kill. Like even if you just get out, you're still gonna hate the fact that you didn't get a kill.
Coach Mills (02:35:27.624)
Well, you're gonna have a lot less downtime because you would have more you would have more cooldowns. Like you could probably combine this with like maybe a cooldown reduction on hitting like a good like a successful cycle. I don't know, something that rewards you for executing properly, but doesn't is isn't the same gameplay loop of like I kill you instantly or I I don't know. that was I liked I just like the idea of him being a fight like he bringing directly a fighting game mechanic straight to the character.
Nexuz (02:35:31.315)
yeah, true.
mehtric (02:35:38.797)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:35:45.396)
True.
Nexuz (02:35:50.931)
I I wanted to say one of the biggest things I want to talk about, I think it's mentioned yet, is that I really hate these characters that like you need you absolutely need your team to help you on. If not, you can't do anything about it. So like the biggest example I can give is like, yeah, DPS was a big one, but thing, like you guys are talking about, I can give you guys this about thing is that if your team doesn't get off some freaking garbage, spidey like magic or whatever to fight thing and they don't get a gun, you lose that thing. You're never gonna beat that thing. That thing is just gonna run the whole lobby down perma. Angelo's Angela's.
Entei (02:36:02.042)
EPS bull.
Coach Mills (02:36:03.925)
No shit.
Coach Mills (02:36:17.694)
No. It's over.
Nexuz (02:36:20.885)
It's the same exact thing. You your team doesn't want to play counters into Angela, you auto-lose the game. DPS pool jumps in your backline. God forbid he has a the gambit team up enhanced. He jumps in your backline, probably annihilates one of your supports before they could even react to him being like being there. And then like if you don't run the counters for him, you just lose. It's it's just miserable when characters require you to think of other people or your teammates.
CaptainCoach (02:36:40.025)
The game didn't
didn't used to be like this. We're we're going more towards a rock, paper, scissors type direction with the game because there's too many abilities in the game that give insane value for no effort. That's that's the issue. Like thing ground slam just makes heroes like magic and like BP kind of kinda worthless. Especially since they buffed it. I think a lot of people forget about that. It's probably why he's so good, is now when they get knocked up in the air, you can't just dash out of it. You still have grounded linger for a little bit. Yeah, what's up?
Nexuz (02:36:53.587)
Yeah.
Entei (02:37:05.649)
Hey coach, you ever you ever popped Hokel and then a thing just slams on top of you?
CaptainCoach (02:37:12.025)
yeah. Yeah, you just get one shot. He stuns you and dies. It it's miserable, bro. Like the the he doesn't need damage amp. Yeah, you could take away the damage amp and he'd be fine.
Nexuz (02:37:18.921)
And then you don't get tenacity.
Coach Mills (02:37:21.374)
Yo, what the fuck is up with tenacity, by the way? Like that shit is useless. It's completely cosmet No, it only exists to piss me off every once in a while. When when it like I swear, I swear.
Nexuz (02:37:24.203)
Bro, tenacity doesn't exist. It just doesn't exist.
Nexuz (02:37:30.762)
No, I I think tenacity was the fur like the worst introduction they ever brought into the game because tenacity it's so for one, it's so inconsistent and y it's impossible for you to keep up with the amount of time a character's been CC'd. And then the characters that like get the most out of it are the characters that did not need it the most. So like Venom gets tenacity. You're like, alright, no, now I just die. Or like
Just characters that shouldn't be able to take as much hits as they're taking. They get it and they live, and now you're just like this character should never get this, like ever. Like there was a game where I like C seed, I was on Luna, I see the black cat, and then Mantis slept her. She gets tenacity, she goes invis. And then later on, the same exact thing happened where I freeze her, and then after the freeze, like two seconds later, she gets slept, and then something else happens. She gets like she gets bailed out every time. And these are characters that you don't want to have tenacity. So I feel like I even said this before in a post I
said the only people that should have tenacity are when you're solo tanking. That's the only time tenacity should ever be a feature in the game is when a solo tank is present. That's the only time.
CaptainCoach (02:38:30.873)
And crank that bad boy up. Turn it way up.
Coach Mills (02:38:32.23)
I I I actually disagree with that. I don't think tenacity should be in the game at all. I don't think anything that creates inconsistency in the way that abilities interact with should ever exist. Because like you said, how how? How do you make it consistent? How?
Entei (02:38:40.079)
Then make it consistent. Make it consistent.
Nexuz (02:38:42.613)
There's no way to make it consistent. I don't think so. Yeah.
Entei (02:38:45.539)
It was consist it was consistent on release and I don't know it's been bugged ever since.
Coach Mills (02:38:49.512)
Like 'cause like like as an example, I'm playing Gru and I'm in a complicated fight where I'm looking around, I'm fighting on point, and then I I see a three man ult I I I ult it and the venom that's in there, he it pops tenacity. How the fuck am I supposed to know that that ultimate's gonna pop tenacity and it just ruins my play? Ran like it how does that it it's just r it just feels random from the user like from the the person that is doing the CCing? You have no idea.
Nexuz (02:39:04.745)
Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. Yeah.
Nexuz (02:39:14.825)
Yeah, it's it's bad. I mean that's why I think that's why I think again, 'cause we know they're not gonna remove it, so if they're not gonna remove it, make it solo tank only that gets it. And then obviously we talked about this with like triple support. It's like if triple support's present, if triple support is present then make it so that there's a healing reduction for triple support.
Coach Mills (02:39:26.45)
I don't think they would do that either though.
Have they ever done that though, where they they give you a change based on your composition? I don't think that's ever been introduced. I I think that's even less likely that's less likely than them removing it, I think.
Nexuz (02:39:36.297)
Yeah, but I feel like they should.
CaptainCoach (02:39:36.475)
Right.
Entei (02:39:40.261)
The thing is it's not it's least likely to happen because Marvel Rivals is a type of game where it wants its player base to it likes ult slot for an unfortunate reason. I don't know why. And you already get your ult less fast in triple support. So if you d if you add a healing reduction on top of that, I don't think the company would ever go for that shit.
CaptainCoach (02:39:40.304)
It should be an all charge nerve.
Nexuz (02:39:40.308)
I feel like they should.
Coach Mills (02:39:48.85)
Okay.
CaptainCoach (02:39:49.636)
Yes.
CaptainCoach (02:40:00.004)
No, they wouldn't. But I I I I don't think they should lower the healing. I think they should just lower the alt charge generation. We've we've we've
Entei (02:40:04.359)
I think we should just all play in neutral. I like neutral. I don't like old slob. I like playing in neutral.
Coach Mills (02:40:10.202)
Yeah, you you say you like neutral till they buff they they keep buffing neutral like C and D cooldowns and then eventually eventually eventually.
CaptainCoach (02:40:15.233)
It it if this game was only neutral, there'd be a lot of people like going up and down on the ladder quite a bit. Like there'd be it you'd have to do a ranked reset.
Nexuz (02:40:18.101)
Sure, sure.
Entei (02:40:23.757)
Expose.
Coach Mills (02:40:24.99)
Who wa wait wa yeah, I I'm actually curious, and to Ansei, what what's your thought on that with like 'cause you said you hate Cloak and Dagger. like what's your thoughts on her cooldown loot?
Like what's your what's your opinion on it? Like from the ice block to the bubble to the fade, like what's your opinion on that? 'Cause like basically she has a much more powerful neutral than she did before. Like relative to like before she her her neutral was pretty weak rather than her ultimate, but now her neutral feels fucking maybe just as busted as her ultimate does. I don't know. What do you think? What's your thoughts?
mehtric (02:40:56.601)
Yeah, she's broken.
Entei (02:41:04.103)
Wait, me? my bad. I thought you were I thought it was a support question, so I'm thinking you were talking to Nexus. My bad. yeah, okay. So like I hate cloak and dagger because of how it affects the game. She essentially gets to make mistakes for free without getting punished. And on top of it, it's very, very stallish. I hate like stallish type cops. So like overtime and I've lost a game like this.
Nexuz (02:41:04.683)
Yeah, you
Coach Mills (02:41:04.902)
Yeah, Enta, yeah, you, you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, I was talking to you 'cause you said you hate cloaking daggers, so
iamsSt3v3n (02:41:33.671)
So you hate fantastic.
Entei (02:41:33.743)
He cloak goes on point, pops three of her abilities to keep herself alive. If she's on an off angle and you punish her for being on a terrible off angle, she's just going to use all of her abilities to get back to her team, and like most times she's gonna get patty cake. So she's basically just living infinitely. And then she gets her ultimate so quickly. That's the part that really screws me up. It's like you're gonna give her all these abilities in neutral, but her ultimate is just as fast to get that shit. So you're never killing her.
You're never killing a good cloak. And she also does splash healing. Like her like if she's if she knows how to heal properly, yeah.
Nexuz (02:42:06.367)
Yeah, I I wanted to say Yeah.
Nexuz (02:42:14.333)
I I think I think that's kinda like a point I wanted to make is that like with team ups, like 'cause you talked about the ice block mills, like the biggest issue with these team ups is that they don't actually bring anything new. They just make them better at what they can already do so it doesn't feel fun or like
I guess comp like you don't feel nice playing into it because like they give her the ice block, like they could have gave her a skill shot or like something that makes her different and like something that you can think about. But like an ice block is just like she's already a super like yeah, I'm never gonna die care. Like she's just already super sustained, heavy. And then they add a team up that just doubles down on that instead of giving her more creativity or maybe even some skill expression. Same thing with Rocket. They give him two team ups that don't actually change anything he does. It just it doesn't change any gameplay loop for him and
And I feel like that's what's really boring about the team-ups is that they don't necessarily change. They just double down on literally everything the character already does, except just amplifies what makes them really annoying to play into with supports.
So I just really hate that that they do that where they just double down on giving them what they already have instead of something new. And like Loki was great. They gave him a whole new thing where you can copy someone for a limited amount of time and like there's an infinite amount of playmaking potential with that. But then you have Rocket, you have Cloak, you have other supports. Like Luna, they said, well, she has a stun already, let's give her another stun. Like how how how creative is that? Just drop another stun on her. Like
Coach Mills (02:43:28.851)
I hear.
Coach Mills (02:43:33.044)
Am I allowed to play Luna in the support duo challenge, Captain Coach? I feel like it would be the easiest fucking eternity of all time. That character is bro, Luna Luna is so absurd. I was playing when we were playing her today. She's so absurd. Any CC I can just fucking yeet out of. It doesn't matter. Like I don't feel vulnerable in that character. If you don't miss your freezes, you're Thanos. You're just Thanos on that character. It's insane.
CaptainCoach (02:43:41.281)
Doing Luna White Fox. I was gonna do cloak actually.
iamsSt3v3n (02:43:41.681)
So
Nexuz (02:43:57.683)
Yeah. It's ridiculous. They don't nerf her damage at all. Like it's bad. She's the been the best DPS for so long and they don't nerf the damage. I don't know.
iamsSt3v3n (02:43:58.919)
Sounds like sounds like all you guys got the best team with in the game.
Coach Mills (02:44:08.776)
What okay, wait, wait, wait. I wanna go one buff, one nerf. I wanna go every single player. I or every single person as we're kinda wrapping things up. One buff, one nerf, every single person. I'm gonna start with you, Entei. What do you think? One buff, one nerf. What's your thoughts?
We lost him. Wait, he's frozen. Wait, he wait no I thought he was I No, no, he's actually frozen. No, he's I thought he was No wait no he he's not frozen. He's trolling. Wait, he looks frozen. He looks frozen. Every we should just pose exactly like him and everyone freeze. I'm just kidding. okay, all right, all right. I'll let you neck okay, yeah, yeah, Cat to go you go first. Yeah, yeah.
Nexuz (02:44:25.685)
What?
iamsSt3v3n (02:44:27.567)
And so
He's on his phone.
Nexuz (02:44:31.945)
No, he's frozen. He's frozen.
CaptainCoach (02:44:34.847)
I just saw him blink. I just saw him blink. He's I think he muted us.
iamsSt3v3n (02:44:35.864)
I just saw I just saw him blink.
mehtric (02:44:36.483)
No, he's not
Nexuz (02:44:40.509)
I can't see bro.
iamsSt3v3n (02:44:41.798)
Yeah, his mic is mu his his mic is muted.
CaptainCoach (02:44:46.619)
I I can start if you want give everybody some time to think. nerf it you've got it we gotta nerf else, so we gotta get we gotta take care of that here. Do do something to the traps. What they did was not just rework the traps, to be honest. Make it so you can see or something. that's just such a toxic like game design. and then buff, buff Hulk. Give just give like more health. Less like d too much damage. Too much damage in the game. These brawl tanks just can't
Coach Mills (02:45:03.143)
Agreed.
Nexuz (02:45:08.16)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:45:10.74)
I actually do Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:45:16.901)
Can't survive, man. Give give people the tankiness buff that thing got, right? And and maybe not the damage that that thing got. And I think I think that'll be objectively good for the game. Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:45:17.492)
Can't keep up.
Coach Mills (02:45:29.776)
what about you metric? What do you think? One buff on the nerf.
mehtric (02:45:32.702)
one buff, one nerf. I would say nerf magneto. I'm not gonna lie, magneto.
Coach Mills (02:45:37.716)
Sheesh. What what do you want to nerf about him specifically?
CaptainCoach (02:45:38.105)
Ha. True.
mehtric (02:45:42.897)
Maybe revert it back to where he can only do like one bubble at a time. Like right now he can do like a bubble on himself and a teammate. So maybe take that away or something. and I think with Iron Man when he maximum pulse, when he absorbs it, it should blow up his his fair magneto rather than just full charge. Like that's Yeah, literally, exactly. You can't use Iron Man all loosely with the Magneto. Exactly.
Coach Mills (02:45:58.959)
Mm, okay.
Full charge, get it to get to chuck it at somebody. Yeah, that's that's some bullshit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good point. It should trade one for one and not yeah, that makes sense.
mehtric (02:46:10.757)
Exactly. And one buff buff Iron Man. Buff Iron Man.
Coach Mills (02:46:15.572)
I'm starting to see a theme. Yeah, no. no, no. We we asked you a question, we're all just standing there like, wait, is he frozen? so buff one buff one nerf. any character you want. Yeah, dude, kinda wrapping this up. One buff, one nerf. Yeah, one buff one nerf. If you were in charge, one buff one nerf.
CaptainCoach (02:46:18.053)
Do it.
Nexuz (02:46:18.165)
Ha ha ha.
Entei (02:46:19.717)
Yo, my bad, my bad. Some IRL some IRL family stuff. This is my grandma, sorry.
CaptainCoach (02:46:21.285)
Do you ever
Entei (02:46:28.805)
Yeah, wait, wait, sorry, my bad. What was the wait, what was the question?
One b any character that I want. I would say increase the cooldowns of Cloak and Dagger and
iamsSt3v3n (02:46:47.546)
Ha ha ha ha.
Nexuz (02:46:48.945)
Ha ha ha.
CaptainCoach (02:46:48.955)
It's valid. That's valid.
Entei (02:46:50.968)
And and I would probably buff Captain America's health back to seven.
iamsSt3v3n (02:46:51.118)
I hate his cloak, man. He hates cloak.
CaptainCoach (02:46:58.863)
I like those. I like those.
Coach Mills (02:47:00.016)
Okay. I don't even what's his HP now? Is it six? shit. You're a squishy. Yeah.
Entei (02:47:02.161)
Six hundred.
Yeah, he he yeah, it's you blow up. If you go back line without like with like a half ass dive, you're blowing up.
Coach Mills (02:47:11.108)
I I like how everyone just w is it everyone's buff so far has just been their own. The only character they main, not some like other that's that okay, what about you nexus? I'm Steve I'm saving you for for last Steven, but what about you Nexus? Buff Loki No Okay, alright. Go go on, go ahead, sorry.
CaptainCoach (02:47:16.571)
Entei (02:47:17.413)
I'm very selfish.
Nexuz (02:47:18.379)
Mm-hmm.
Nexuz (02:47:25.228)
bro, I'd it'll just be low Yeah No no no it
CaptainCoach (02:47:27.771)
Nerf Moon Knight.
Nexuz (02:47:32.778)
Nah, it it would be it would just be buff, buff and nerf Loki to be honest. I would nerf his health back to two fifty and then I would bring his damage back. but also at the same time I do think supports should just go back to two fifty. But I'm not gonna get into that too much. But yeah, I would I would bring his damage back up and then lower his health back or just remove the Mantis team up.
mehtric (02:47:55.037)
Can I say one thing real quick on the supports being 250? I think the supports I I don't know why Iron Man, a man in armor, is two fifty HP. There's supports that are higher HP than Iron Man. I don't get that. I I just don't get that.
CaptainCoach (02:47:55.439)
I like that. I like that.
Nexuz (02:48:05.195)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:48:05.532)
Mm-hmm.
Nexuz (02:48:13.139)
just scared of Iron Man like ever being close to like meta.
Coach Mills (02:48:13.424)
A copper man. Woodman.
mehtric (02:48:15.719)
They're scared of flyers, right? But that's because they're scared of flyers because of Torch. That's it. They're just scared of flyers because of Torch. Torch has such a a great peak that they don't want it anything to do with any flyers. I don't get it.
Entei (02:48:17.371)
Keep Iron Man the exact spot that he is.
Coach Mills (02:48:17.79)
They are.
Okay.
CaptainCoach (02:48:21.962)
Whoa, clip it.
CaptainCoach (02:48:33.371)
How about team up?
Nexuz (02:48:33.769)
I think Iron Man should deserve a meta. I th I think I think Ironman deserves a meta.
Coach Mills (02:48:34.516)
Okay, well it's the so Stephen, what's yours?
mehtric (02:48:36.486)
Yeah.
I think so too.
iamsSt3v3n (02:48:39.622)
Man, can I have t can can I have can I have can I have two buffs or one roof?
Coach Mills (02:48:40.19)
What what about you, Stephen?
Entei (02:48:40.719)
No the fuck he doesn't.
Nexuz (02:48:42.635)
Dude, one meta? Are we serious? One meta?
Coach Mills (02:48:44.144)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So one w one buff, one nerf. What what's Steven?
Entei (02:48:45.349)
Not one meta. Don't give it to Iron Man. Hell no. I'm good.
mehtric (02:48:45.807)
I think so.
iamsSt3v3n (02:48:48.366)
Nerf I'd probably say I'd probably say Venom. And the only reason why I say that no, listen, hear me out Hear me out, hear me out, hear me out. It's because like because how fast he can get like his EO or know how to use it properly, most people just on my team just don't adjust to him. So then we just like lose team fights. Meaning like there's no counters like swaps and and
Coach Mills (02:48:52.935)
Nerve Venom?
Entei (02:48:54.043)
They just nerfed him.
Coach Mills (02:48:56.552)
Wait what do you mean nerf venom?
Coach Mills (02:49:10.26)
That's that's cause you don't ever counter swap him because you only play Wanda. That's why. She's not an anti venom character. She does fuck all the venom. I I I get I get I I get why you don't like him. Cause when I'm Venom when I'm Venom against a Wanda, I jump in. What w when I'm Venom against the Wanda, I jump in. She's doing damage to me the whole time. I pop my shield. She's doing damage to me the whole time. I kill the support.
iamsSt3v3n (02:49:12.824)
And listen, I'm listen, but I'm playing an a I'm playing an anti dive character, you know? Bro Bro listen. Just one stun and we still can't k and we and you know that strange team up that strange team up is garbage, bro. Don't Anti, come on man.
CaptainCoach (02:49:14.608)
Ha ha ha.
Nexuz (02:49:19.89)
Mm-hmm.
Entei (02:49:23.995)
You better hop on that strange team up. Better hop on that strange team up if you wanna do more damage.
Coach Mills (02:49:40.264)
And then I leave and like she did damage to me the whole time. I just basically I just didn't think it j Yeah wait Wait, what did the the fuck just happened? Yeah what the fuck? No dude don't sh
Entei (02:49:42.555)
Why the fuck did Nexus just get transported to an evil lair? Wait, you know.
Nexuz (02:49:46.219)
Bro, I I just tried
mehtric (02:49:46.395)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:49:47.253)
Hm. Use fade.
iamsSt3v3n (02:49:50.273)
Use ye use fade.
mehtric (02:49:50.429)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:49:51.801)
He b he's blinded.
Nexuz (02:49:53.723)
I just turn I just turned it off. I just turned the lamp off.
iamsSt3v3n (02:49:56.334)
No, I I probably I probably I play a lot of characters but I probably wind up buffing Hulk. And the only reason why I say is 'cause when I play Hul when I play a Hulk and it's just like I'm constantly diving and I can only do a couple of punches and it's like you're just constantly just being a I hate being like a distraction character with Hulk. I think he he's like justified to be more of like what his name is and it kinda gets just boring just being a distraction, you know?
CaptainCoach (02:50:03.459)
A preach.
Coach Mills (02:50:04.328)
Though
CaptainCoach (02:50:20.687)
Yeah, it's funny that they they buffed his damage and everybody thought it like, he's g gonna be doing as much damage as everybody else now. It's actually worse because he doesn't have enough health to actually stay in, like you y you hit the nail on the head. More more health would be a damage buff to Hulk.
iamsSt3v3n (02:50:29.988)
Right, exactly.
iamsSt3v3n (02:50:34.522)
What a base kill one thousand?
Nexuz (02:50:36.691)
All right. Yeah, I mean.
CaptainCoach (02:50:36.731)
I d honestly would be fine.
Coach Mills (02:50:36.852)
Alright, alright. So here so hear me, hear me out, hear me out. So so I'm I'm not gonna give one, I'm gonna give five. Nerf cap, nerf Loki, nerf Iron Man, Nerf Hulk, Nerf Wanda, and Buff Thor. Let's go. No, just kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. And no, my my real my real thing is you you gotta nerf thing. I'm sorry. Fuck the character. completely change the human torch team up. Completely fucking change it. Honestly, change the Invis team up too. Delete the character. I don't fucking care. Get rid of that character. I think that character is complete cancer.
iamsSt3v3n (02:50:38.948)
Ha ha ha.
Nexuz (02:50:44.531)
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa woah woah woah no no no
mehtric (02:50:45.455)
Nerf Iron Man. What?
CaptainCoach (02:50:45.561)
Whoa.
iamsSt3v3n (02:50:47.073)
CaptainCoach (02:50:48.705)
Was it just all his characters?
iamsSt3v3n (02:50:49.712)
Door?
Nexuz (02:50:56.309)
Bro, thing is so necessary.
Coach Mills (02:51:07.314)
as far as buff
Nexuz (02:51:08.361)
Yeah, torch is awful.
iamsSt3v3n (02:51:09.946)
Buff Thor. Really?
Coach Mills (02:51:11.568)
No, no, not buff Thor, I'm trolling. you don't have to bu I I I honestly wouldn't even want them to buff anything, to be honest with you. But I would say buff I would say buff nothing and and nerf thing. That's like my only two Like I actually have a laundry list of nerfs, but I have very little
CaptainCoach (02:51:18.063)
That's actually yeah, actually I can I change my answer?
CaptainCoach (02:51:27.013)
This is the former rank one thing, by the way, that's saying this. Where wasn't that you weren't you with the former rank one thing at one point?
Coach Mills (02:51:33.216)
No, I I think I was on ladder for like a day. But I mean like but that character who being rank one on the thing is like fucking being the rank one kindergartner or like the rank one glue eater or like who what the fuck does that even mean? Like that means nothing. No, I hate that fucking character so much, dude. Like I like I have
CaptainCoach (02:51:36.58)
Anyway.
CaptainCoach (02:51:42.785)
Ha ha ha.
Nexuz (02:51:43.947)
Yo all this thing hate is crazy, man.
CaptainCoach (02:51:46.523)
Entei (02:51:50.843)
Very valid. Very valid. I literally I I tried him out for a couple of games. You you don't do anything but hold right.
mehtric (02:51:52.253)
I think it's a net bad. He's not that bad.
Nexuz (02:51:55.551)
No no no. You know you know what I think it is? I think all of you just play dive.
Coach Mills (02:51:56.379)
Like like any any any tank player can play the thing. Yeah, you we'd like to have player agency, bro. I don't wanna just fucking stand there and shoot my gun forward in a front to back manner.
Nexuz (02:52:07.945)
I don't want to sit there and get Spider-Man and Daredevil on me the entire game, bro. I don't want that either. It's necessary evil.
Coach Mills (02:52:12.722)
Well that you play Loki, you're just you're gonna be a victim. You Loki loves front to back meta. Like you're probably feasting in this meta, but like that character like This meta is I I I you do you like this meta, right? Like I'm guessing you do. Cause this is a really good this is a really good Loki meta.
Nexuz (02:52:27.979)
well black cat like if black cat's banned, yeah. I I would say so, but Black Cat is just like you throw if you play Loki into Black Cat 'cause she just feeds off of the the clones with her money. So that's just really bad.
iamsSt3v3n (02:52:44.868)
Buff Wanda.
Coach Mills (02:52:46.388)
Okay. wait, do do y'all do y'all do y'all actually like read like com the I know you do, Ente, but do do y'all all read like the comic books or like know anything about the characters? shit.
Entei (02:52:47.879)
What was that? It must have been the wind.
iamsSt3v3n (02:52:51.182)
So her team put her tool of production?
mehtric (02:53:00.337)
No.
iamsSt3v3n (02:53:01.232)
Man, sorcerer Sorcerer Supreme, brother.
Nexuz (02:53:01.605)
I I read I read nah.
CaptainCoach (02:53:02.919)
Ooooo.
Coach Mills (02:53:04.84)
Ca 'cause I w what I d what I the the closing question I like to ask people was what hero do they want in the game? And like what do they want them to be able to do? If you Ooh.
iamsSt3v3n (02:53:12.164)
Vision. Get that iron man get that iron
Entei (02:53:14.011)
Give me Spider-Man twenty ninety-nine as a tank. Give me Spider-Man twenty ninety-nine as a tank. Give me Spider-Man Miguel Oharas twenty ninety-nine as a tank.
iamsSt3v3n (02:53:18.307)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:53:18.931)
That would be tough.
CaptainCoach (02:53:20.603)
Hmm. That that would be sick, actually.
Coach Mills (02:53:20.607)
wait that would be fire actually.
Nexuz (02:53:22.643)
I need I need Nova, like Samuel Alexander Nova to be a support. I need that so bad. I need Nova as a support.
iamsSt3v3n (02:53:27.093)
Green Goblin, that's what I wanted to see.
CaptainCoach (02:53:27.866)
Coach Mills (02:53:28.584)
Nova as a support. Yeah, I'm trying to think of like supports, like like supports that could exist.
CaptainCoach (02:53:30.692)
Yeah. These are some good ones.
mehtric (02:53:34.715)
I got an idea for a tank. I think Sandman should be a tank. You could do so many things with Sandman.
iamsSt3v3n (02:53:35.418)
Vision?
Coach Mills (02:53:38.208)
Ooh. That would be actually dope. Walls and shit.
CaptainCoach (02:53:39.437)
Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Nexuz (02:53:42.377)
Just make Miles a support. Miles Morales. Just make him a support, bro.
Entei (02:53:44.335)
Yeah, no, I was I made a video about that too. I want the prowler instead of Spider-Man for my house. I'd I would say that's the prowler.
CaptainCoach (02:53:46.871)
I sh Surey will be a support, I think. Yeah, Surey, for sure.
Coach Mills (02:53:51.71)
Sherry. Okay. I can see that. I can see that. Yeah, I have d
mehtric (02:53:55.633)
I think vision should be a support too. Vision.
CaptainCoach (02:53:58.512)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:53:58.634)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:53:59.038)
Vision support.
mehtric (02:54:01.115)
You can have a full Avengers six man.
Entei (02:54:01.499)
Just making it with like a better ultra on it.
Coach Mills (02:54:03.182)
Yeah yeah. Yeah he's i yeah he's gonna be a support, he's gonna be a fucking triple support enabler. That's what he's gonna be. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna be a triple support.
CaptainCoach (02:54:04.517)
Ha ha.
mehtric (02:54:09.917)
Well me too.
Nexuz (02:54:12.235)
Tired of triple support, bro.
iamsSt3v3n (02:54:14.67)
What he night colour as a support.
CaptainCoach (02:54:18.415)
So y usually at the end of our podcast, guys, we just open the floor to you all and just anything we didn't touch on or wanted to say to the community or thoughts you had on the game or th changes you wanna make, just anything hot takes, right? Like anything you want to get off your chest, like the air it out, like you know. Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:54:30.6)
Hot takes whatever you wanna say as we wrap things up.
mehtric (02:54:36.431)
I got something I wanna say. It might be a very hot take, but I think Iron Man takes so much skill to play in higher elos.
Like everyone says Iron Man or no skill, flying squirrel girl, whatever they want to say. But I think the positioning factor in it, they don't account for that. Like they don't think about positioning and playing against top hitscan players and staying alive and actually getting value for that. I think that's actually very hard to do. So I think playing Iron Man actually takes skill.
Coach Mills (02:55:06.588)
No, no, I agree. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:55:08.419)
I'm I'm gonna be like the one of the first times I think we played Metric, I remember it was that midtown game where we're both trying to get a clip with Hulk Iron Man where I do the grab and we tried like three or four times. We just could not get it. Like the amount of coordination and and like like game knowledge you need just to get a off a successful alt sometimes on that hero just feels like you're just have you playing the game on hard mode, bro. Like it I
mehtric (02:55:15.676)
Yeah.
Yeah.
mehtric (02:55:29.969)
Yeah. It's hard.
It's hard but it's challenging, kinda like Steven said, it's fun having a challenge. So that that's kinda why another reason why why I do it too.
CaptainCoach (02:55:39.29)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:55:43.598)
I respect it. I I I kinda feel that way a little bit sometimes. Like with Hulk. I I feel like a lot of times he's not always like the best pick and and it's kinda like more situational now more than ever. So it's like, yeah, I I get that. Like it there is like a personal challenge to being the best at something too that's like really like addicting almost, you know? Like yeah.
Coach Mills (02:55:43.604)
Verda.
mehtric (02:56:00.369)
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Coach Mills (02:56:03.689)
Any other any other hot takes? Any other last last statements before we wrap things up?
iamsSt3v3n (02:56:08.206)
I I don't
I don't really have any hot takes and you know, Ante already made me blow up, you know, the other one of streamers and all that stuff. no, I just wanna say that if and when my next tournament does get announced for September, which will probably be like a nice big prize wheel, and once the stipulation is is set, I would love to invite you guys and write you guys down on the list as creators to pot to to possibly get involved. I again I don't know the format. It'll most likely be six to eight teams. If it's if if it's you guys to be captains, if it's you guys to be players, you know, I think you guys have
CaptainCoach (02:56:15.845)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (02:56:39.292)
made up this ex i this experience fun and I loved all the Wanda conversations even though Captain Coach is you know got there at the bo at the bottom at the bottom of the barrel. For sure. No for sure.
CaptainCoach (02:56:45.723)
Hey, we'll we'll we'll run some. We'll run some, we'll run some.
Coach Mills (02:56:45.748)
You get you you'll you'll prove it to you'll prove it to us. You'll prove it to us. Yeah yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:56:52.899)
Hey, I if there's anyone who's gonna like work together with you as a as a teammate, that's me, bro. Like I like we'll we'll figure some crazy tech out with the Hulk bubble and the alt. Like I'm down, just hit me up.
Nexuz (02:56:55.911)
I
iamsSt3v3n (02:57:03.404)
Actually my that actually sounds fire, not gonna lie.
CaptainCoach (02:57:05.488)
Yeah.
Nexuz (02:57:06.261)
So there's there's one thing, not really the hot take, but I will never forget the one game where Entei ran my game down. He went like one and ten on cap. And I was like, I was like, should I bring this up on the stream? That's kind of petty, no? Bro, this was like four s this was like four seasons ago, I think. I don't remember.
iamsSt3v3n (02:57:15.204)
Yeah.
mehtric (02:57:17.229)
Mm-hmm.
Entei (02:57:17.647)
When when did when when did when did this happen? When did this happen? How long ago was this? How long ago was this? Four seasons ago?
CaptainCoach (02:57:19.275)
Ha.
Coach Mills (02:57:19.518)
Ha ha.
iamsSt3v3n (02:57:20.141)
Well
Nexuz (02:57:25.324)
but I was like, yo, he just ran it down on cap. He no Mike. I I think you're com you I don't know. You might have been comband or something, but it was like four seasons ago and then I like, should I bring this up? And then I like, you know, I'll just give him the hands on Tokon instead. That seems just better, like just a better way to get it back.
iamsSt3v3n (02:57:27.992)
And say, What happened, bro?
Entei (02:57:29.319)
I don't even remember the game. I don't even remember the game.
Entei (02:57:39.599)
Okay, okay.
CaptainCoach (02:57:39.695)
Ha ha ha.
Coach Mills (02:57:40.572)
I I I I I I just I just got into a game with Entei like a little while ago and I was hard calming the whole game, didn't say shit, and then randomly's like, Wait, is this Mills? And then we're calming and we win the game easily. Like in two seconds. It was like a flip shit. Like I feel like you were like on your phone like playing and you're like, wait, let's lock in and then you we would just won. Like
Entei (02:57:54.737)
Mm-hmm.
Entei (02:57:58.545)
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I did the same Essentially was in my game a couple of days ago. I was just running it down on Angelo. I was like, shit it's Sentry, let me start trying. Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:58:06.001)
How Mike. My man's playing with ankle w rockily ankle rate weights. He's just he's just he's just
Nexuz (02:58:06.494)
Hmm.
Nexuz (02:58:10.667)
Yeah, but my my hot takes is the first thing is no screen shake has to go. That that is like I just needs to go. I feel like no screen shake's really bad for the game. It just creates a situation where half the player base has and half doesn't, and that's really the difference in games, and I just hate it. Characters no, like it should be banable if you have like no screen shake, like the mod. I feel like that should be banable because it's like you get an unfair advantage and the other person doesn't unless they go and download the mod off of a website that they may not be actually secure.
Coach Mills (02:58:27.144)
You're saying turn it off?
okay. Okay, yeah, gotcha.
Nexuz (02:58:41.257)
about. and then the other hot take I have is that like actually no I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it. Never mind, never mind, never mind. Never mind.
Coach Mills (02:58:46.642)
very controversial. That's pretty no no no no no what's your what's the hot day what's the hot day come on. This that's what this platform is for. Hey I I I say only only only only one percent of the of the viewers watch the end of the podcast. That's a lie, but you can
iamsSt3v3n (02:58:50.692)
Come on, man. Come on, bro.
CaptainCoach (02:58:51.257)
We can o hey we can always cut it out if you change your mind.
Nexuz (02:58:58.837)
So dive players are the biggest absolute crybabies in the entire community and
Coach Mills (02:59:04.532)
my god. Wait, you're talking so you're talking about light is what you're talking about. You're talking about light. I know you're talking about light. I know it. I know it. Just say him but say his name. Don't don't no no Yeah, we
CaptainCoach (02:59:05.697)
Go, go, go, go.
iamsSt3v3n (02:59:08.73)
Who who who is it, bro? Who is it? Who is it?
Nexuz (02:59:09.483)
No no, hold on, hold on, hold on. No, I love I No no I love I love light. I love light. I love light. I love light. But dive players are the biggest crybabies in the entire game. Because they will sit there and they will let Kat and Elsa through the ban phase because they want to ban their own characters that counter them. So now you have to sit there and suffer through the entire game because they don't want to let thing through. They don't want to let
CaptainCoach (02:59:10.4)
Ha ha ha
Do it.
Coach Mills (02:59:22.218)
you're t so you're talking about slushy on X. No, I'm just kidding. I'm I'm just gonna start throwing out random names.
Nexuz (02:59:38.9)
all these other anti-dive characters go like no more. So then when I get past the band phase and I see Widow open, I see Gambit I see all these these demons open because the dive players need these characters banned. If not they do air the entire game. And if you don't ban it, like, I'll throw the game. Nah, nah, I can't. Dive players are the biggest crybabies in the entire game and I'll stand by that.
Coach Mills (02:59:43.572)
Ha ha ha.
Coach Mills (02:59:56.27)
you gotta you gotta start say you gotta say names. You gotta specifically talk about specific people. I'm just I'm just kidding.
CaptainCoach (02:59:56.964)
It's cause they know they're gonna lose anyway, 'cause they can't aim. Yeah, name names. Get the receipts.
Nexuz (03:00:01.867)
I can't say any specific names. I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna blow anyone up here, but you know.
Coach Mills (03:00:05.458)
No, you could definitely say speci as I don't know, just but no, I I it's it's a weird thing. Like let's say it's a Spider Man one trick, right? Like it's weird because if they don't ban the characters that they need to like play the game, they might just do nothing that game. Like they might just be fucking handless and that's I'm gonna bitch about that, but I am also gonna bitch about playing against the demons. So like there's really I mean, it's a lose lose situation, I think. I f I really feel just people that are hyper they're unwilling to swap and flex ever.
CaptainCoach (03:00:08.026)
Ha ha ha ha
Nexuz (03:00:23.711)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (03:00:33.965)
Hey Mills, we've always had everyone coming on here hating on supports. Nice we gotta support hating on the DPS, you know, roll reversal, so we flipped it.
Nexuz (03:00:35.403)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Coach Mills (03:00:41.016)
Let's go. We need to bring Nexus back on like more. I need to bring you on with someone like light. It would be hilarious actually. That's what I'm doing. I'm trying to fan I'm trying to fan the flames right now.
Nexuz (03:00:44.651)
No light no I got a lot of words for light. I got a lot of words for light. I got a lot of I got a lot of words for light.
CaptainCoach (03:00:45.677)
Yeah, we we obviously
I would I would say Light's probably he's probably our most controversial guest, I would say from the comments. Mills, would you say Light is? Most mixed.
Coach Mills (03:00:59.6)
Yeah, he kinda the comments really were really pissed off at him last time. It was like really pissed off. But but I but but I yeah, no that they literally said that they said I clicked on this video it's light, I'm fucking I'm clicking off. It's like that was like holy shit. And it's funny 'cause it's actually one of our most viewed, like in the time frame, it's like
CaptainCoach (03:01:03.995)
I'm not watching the video if he's like
iamsSt3v3n (03:01:09.211)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (03:01:11.335)
Ha.
Nexuz (03:01:13.351)
Yeah, I got a lot of words for him.
CaptainCoach (03:01:15.385)
Hey hey, we appreciate your opinions. Keep giving us feedback on who else to bring on the podcast. We are always taking that into consideration. Entei, did you have Entei, do you have any any hot takes? Anything you wanted to say before we close out?
Coach Mills (03:01:20.2)
Yep. Yeah, yep, yep. We are, we are.
Nexuz (03:01:25.375)
No, I would take light to finals, bro.
Coach Mills (03:01:26.964)
How is
Entei (03:01:31.663)
Yeah it takes. No, no, like I had an amazing time. I appreciate you guys for the invite for sure. I had a very good time.
Coach Mills (03:01:34.29)
And and and Of course, of course. You're welcome anytime. Yeah. N no creators you want to call out specifically? No, I'm scared. Yeah, whoever you want whoever you want to. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (03:01:36.933)
Hell yeah, man. It was a fun episode, bro. You say what you want.
Entei (03:01:41.959)
Creators. I can say fuck anybody. I can say fuck anybody. Anybody I want.
Nexuz (03:01:43.014)
Ha ha ha.
iamsSt3v3n (03:01:47.14)
Hey, as long as I hey, as long as I don't touch him, I can say whatever I want.
Entei (03:01:50.169)
for real. All right, perfect. Fuck Lucky Zill.
CaptainCoach (03:01:51.14)
Ha ha.
Coach Mills (03:01:53.492)
O shit See I see I
CaptainCoach (03:01:53.915)
shit Damn.
Entei (03:01:55.397)
Bitch ass nigger. Biggest manipulator in the fucking community. Fuck Lucky Zill. All right, anyways.
Coach Mills (03:02:01.392)
I d I j I just thought there was just a video of him about flats, right? It was just a video about
CaptainCoach (03:02:02.228)
my god. Guys this I yeah, there's a fl he's
Entei (03:02:06.043)
Yeah, he's beefing with Flats now. He's doing the same thing to Flats that he did to me, where he's trying to manipulate the entire situation. It was taken out of context. That's all that nigga does. He just knows how to start beef and that's how he stays relevant. He's a bitch. fuck Lucky Zill.
Coach Mills (03:02:09.264)
It felt like he was it felt like the video was taken a little out of context, but you know.
CaptainCoach (03:02:13.051)
I might have to get
iamsSt3v3n (03:02:18.126)
The biggest question is when are we gonna run some games?
CaptainCoach (03:02:20.101)
Damn, bro. Damn. I li I've had good interactions with Lucky Zeal, but I I know I understand a lot of people Yeah.
Nexuz (03:02:21.012)
Ha ha ha.
Coach Mills (03:02:21.596)
Ooh.
iamsSt3v3n (03:02:22.448)
Who's who's on after this to run a game?
Entei (03:02:26.364)
He's a fake. He's a fake. That nigga's a genuine manipulator, bro. If you think you've had a nice reaction with him, don't think that. He's a snake. I promise you that. That nigga's time will come. That nigga's time will come. I don't even have to do anything. He gon' fuck his own life up. I promise you that. Fuck Lucky Zeal.
Nexuz (03:02:36.779)
Shhh, damn, bro. Shit, bro.
Coach Mills (03:02:37.383)
shit.
CaptainCoach (03:02:38.267)
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (03:02:45.446)
Who za
Nexuz (03:02:45.823)
What you mean you don't even gotta do anything? What does that mean? What that mean?
Entei (03:02:47.099)
Don't gotta do anything. I could I have I bro you that's no no watch this watch this no look no watch this right I have so many screenshots on that nigga that nigga thinks any everybody in the community messes with him they don't not a singular soul fucks with that nigga and I have the screenshots to prove it a majority of people do not fuck with Lucky even though they say they do and I also have some dirt on that nigga but I'm just gonna wait for him to fuck his own shit up
CaptainCoach (03:02:50.617)
So you're saying he's gonna swing off the map, Ira?
Coach Mills (03:02:53.352)
What
iamsSt3v3n (03:02:53.934)
Mm.
Nexuz (03:03:14.907)
Yeah.
Entei (03:03:15.269)
This nigga lied on stream saying, I'm gonna make sure Netty sends you a subpoena and get your channel taken down. I still have yet to receive a subpoena, you bitch ass nigga.
Coach Mills (03:03:15.606)
Coach Mills (03:03:26.82)
No.
Nexuz (03:03:26.901)
Entei (03:03:28.471)
Not a singular thing. You're a liar. So anyways, like I said, that nigga gonna Yeah, yeah, bring him bring him on. I'd love I would watch that episode for sure. If you can if you can if you can deal with Lucky for three hours, I would most definitely watch that podcast.
Coach Mills (03:03:32.564)
So our next guest, Lucky Zeal. No, I'm just kidding. I
CaptainCoach (03:03:34.261)
Yeah, here here here on the the clear the clear drama podcast.
Nexuz (03:03:35.133)
I thought he was kinda cool. I thought
Coach Mills (03:03:43.892)
I've I've never interacted with them at all, so I don't I don't know what I I don't have any opinions.
Nexuz (03:03:47.305)
I thought he was pretty entertaining. I thought he was a cool guy. I don't know.
CaptainCoach (03:03:50.243)
Yeah, I I I do it with him once and it was it was a good time. He was super chill. Like he was funny. I
Coach Mills (03:03:55.689)
I do I do generally hate Spider Man players like pre, you know, before I even know them. So like, you know. My expectations of you are already really low. I'm not all right. Anyways. Alright. Nexus. Yeah, yeah, no, a hundred percent. I that's what I alright.
Entei (03:03:58.819)
Okay.
CaptainCoach (03:04:01.605)
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah, yeah, let's just let's just that's top here.
Entei (03:04:02.119)
Ooh.
Entei (03:04:10.919)
Hey you said I could say you said I can say fuck anybody.
CaptainCoach (03:04:13.761)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of firsts for this episode.
Coach Mills (03:04:18.708)
Yeah, I I would let Captain Coach say who he wants to roast, but there's like probably like a massive list. Yeah no no meave. Okay. No V with anybody. No, that's yeah, that's true. No no I I I the only the only player that I even remember is Golden Freddy. That motherfucker throws every game he's in. But I just that's another Spider Man player. I a problem with Spider Man plays.
CaptainCoach (03:04:23.385)
I got no beef with anybody, Coach Mills. nah, nah. I I I'm not like that. No, no, no, no.
Nexuz (03:04:24.595)
No, I I wanna hear I wanna hear, I wanna hear, I wanna hear, I wanna hear.
Nexuz (03:04:31.135)
No, no, th no more none of this piece arc stuff. You definitely have some wet.
CaptainCoach (03:04:33.495)
I'm I well I could get up. Hold up.
Mills You know, I I recently took someone off my my shit list, right? Like that's first time. That's canon event. It's never happened before, bro. Yeah. So a guy named the chef. I like I've gotten with my games enough and he was like always just like super chill, good teammate. So I ended up taking him off and we we had chat and it was a super wholesome mode.
Coach Mills (03:04:45.501)
No
Entei (03:04:46.233)
Coach Mills (03:04:48.604)
That's crazy actually. Who who got off? D did
Nexuz (03:04:49.833)
Mm-hmm.
Entei (03:05:00.443)
Am I on the shit list? I'm curious.
Nexuz (03:05:02.827)
Ha ha.
CaptainCoach (03:05:03.907)
I don't know. I don't I don't I don't think so. No. Right here. yeah, yeah, probably probably probably shouldn't show that for too long.
Coach Mills (03:05:07.124)
Just your three alts. Not skidding.
iamsSt3v3n (03:05:09.356)
I'm not gonna lie, somebody somebody le somebody s somebody leaked what I said to Quebles, now he's pissed. Who did it?
Entei (03:05:11.057)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (03:05:16.272)
no wait, we're live. Who's live? Well speaking of which we we do need to do shout outs.
Coach Mills (03:05:16.404)
Ha ha ha.
mehtric (03:05:18.237)
Okay.
iamsSt3v3n (03:05:18.532)
No
Coach Mills (03:05:21.126)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Nexus, people wanna see some high quality Loki gameplay where you're only half trolling, where can they find you?
Nexuz (03:05:28.152)
yeah, so I have a YouTube channel. Right now it's at fifteen K subs. I primarily just drop low-key content. I do a lot of entertaining editing. Like I'm not like just dropping VODs or anything. Like I I get the recording, I work on it, I just really, really work hard and I want to make like something unique with my content because a lot of these rival players, you know, they'll just upload the VOD and then call it a day and move on. And like, you know, sometimes it's just like I can't sit here and just watch through it, right? But like I make pretty, pretty high quality videos.
Coach Mills (03:05:55.839)
Wait, wait, don't don't sh don't share doing this. Don't share doing this. Wait, are you sharing doing this? wa Yeah, who's sharing doing this? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Nexuz (03:05:57.965)
Yeah yeah just Steven. so I make pretty pretty high quality content. I try to make it as funny as possible. I also stream on Twitch, it's just Nexus, like the the name you guys see on the title here, and then you just put MR at the end and you'll find me through Twitch and YouTube and yeah. That's that's me.
Coach Mills (03:06:18.536)
Yeah. Sounds good. and we do we do gotta run some duos at some point. I know we talked about it, but it'd be fun. It'd be fun. Yeah, it's good metric, where can people come and support you? They wanna see some sick Ironman gameplay.
Nexuz (03:06:25.129)
Yeah, yeah. We might get it like a ten percent Yeah, we might get a ten percent win rate, but you know. I'm down to run duels with everyone here, you know. It's
CaptainCoach (03:06:25.723)
Everybody asking the healer player for duos, bro.
Entei (03:06:35.399)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (03:06:35.909)
Let's get it.
Nexuz (03:06:36.979)
Metric, let's run that Loki Iron Man, bro.
mehtric (03:06:38.991)
It's gonna be painful, but I'm down, bro. I'm down. yeah, I make yeah, I make YouTube content.
if you like listening to chill music and just chill vibes, you know, you can come support me on YouTube. Also I stream sometimes here and there on Twitch if I'm not lagging that day. And I also make TikToks here and there too. And everything is metric on all platforms. So yeah.
CaptainCoach (03:07:09.249)
I I I like your vids, bro. I I watch them probably like at least once a week. Yeah. They're super chill.
mehtric (03:07:13.629)
Appreciate it, bro. Thank you. Thank y'all.
Coach Mills (03:07:14.516)
Yeah, I did too.
Steven, people like you, people wanna see the rank one Wanda. Where can people support you?
iamsSt3v3n (03:07:21.19)
If people want to see the rank one wana, just go to I am Steven on all platforms. I'll be streaming live in about three hours from now. to try to hit you know, I'm already number one on one website, just need to do it on the other, you know. So yeah, I am Steven on all platforms to replace the E's with a three and yeah it was fun. It was fun being a part this.
CaptainCoach (03:07:42.563)
Definitely gonna give you a follow. I'm I'm very curious to see that Wanda gameplay. I'm very curious.
Coach Mills (03:07:42.594)
yeah. yeah.
Yeah.
iamsSt3v3n (03:07:46.394)
Listen, no no no, which no go go to the YouTube, watch the game where I ha we dropped seventy two and four. That's the game you wanna watch. Seventy two and four. It's on my YouTube channel right now. Go watch it. No, that's the come on man. That's the one you gotta watch.
Entei (03:07:52.443)
Seventy two and four.
mehtric (03:07:52.487)
Seventy two and four?
Coach Mills (03:07:54.296)
Nexuz (03:07:55.825)
Seventy two and four? Wait. What you mean s
Coach Mills (03:07:56.734)
Bam out Bam Outta Bio? my good. Yeah. Hello?
Entei (03:07:58.907)
Ha!
mehtric (03:07:59.567)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (03:08:05.332)
Ente, where can people come and support you? They wanna they wanna rage bait you or or or give you their money? Well where can where can people show up? Sorry, bye.
Entei (03:08:12.583)
You can find me on TikTok and Twitch. I will be posting more YouTube videos soon. It's the same handle on all platforms, NTX, Blaze.
Coach Mills (03:08:24.446)
Nice, nice. I really like your content, man. I really like watching your TikToks. It's probably the only rivals creator I watch all your content. Thank you guys so much for coming by. And make sure that you like, subscribe, and comment down below which hot take you agreed with the most. Definitely check out all these guys' socials. We'll be in the links down below. Make sure to give them love and support. Thank you so much for coming by. Hope you enjoyed the show and we'll see you next time. Peace. Bye.
CaptainCoach (03:08:25.275)
Well yeah.
Entei (03:08:27.591)
Appreciate you, right?
Entei (03:08:46.77)
We sh
CaptainCoach (03:08:46.971)
Peace.
iamsSt3v3n (03:08:47.803)
guys. Peace.
Coach Mills (03:08:49.343)
Okay.