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Flyover Film Country is a podcast about movies set in places oft-forgotten by Hollywood. Olivia Clement and Isaac Sims are your co-hosts, bringing unique perspectives from Arkansas and Oklahoma! Produced by Walter Lyle.
Walter Lyle (00:01)
Y'all, I'm really sorry that I was late to our recording session tonight. I lost track of time because I was busy watching Twilight Eclipse, the third movie in the Twilight Saga. And this is not a meme. This is not a meme. We were about halfway through and I got, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got, was pretty entrenched in Jacob professing his love for Bella, who I, at that point when he did that, I turned to Morgan and I said,
Liv DAWG (00:12)
Wow, what a journey. What a journey, that's amazing. We're, okay, was, yeah.
Walter Lyle (00:31)
I don't get this because Bella is such a dry piece of toast.
Liv DAWG (00:36)
Yeah.
Walter Lyle (00:56)
Isaac, what do you think?
Liv DAWG (00:56)
Isaac, did you have a thought?
Black Bag (00:56)
It's
pretty, pretty wet up there in the Pacific Northwest, so maybe a dry piece of toast is what these mystical men want, you know? You know watched Twilight for the first time, like two or three months ago? The first one. I haven't seen any of the other three. Yep.
Walter Lyle (01:02)
There you go. Yeah. Could be.
Well, that's...
Liv DAWG (01:14)
What? How
Walter Lyle (01:15)
Okay,
Liv DAWG (01:15)
did we not talk about this?
Walter Lyle (01:16)
we started watching it when my sister was over the other night and she had never seen the Twilight movies either. And so that's why we started it. shout out to, I read the books in middle school when all of like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's three years younger than me. So I she was like, she was in the prime for like, she could have read it or watched the movies and she just never did. And when she said that she had never seen any of the movies, Morgan like,
Black Bag (01:24)
So you had, but she hadn't.
so she was just younger. How much younger is she than us?
Walter Lyle (01:44)
popped her head off the couch. was like, she did, you mentioned the Kissing Booth before we started recording. She did, Morgan did like in the first Twilight movie to Kissing Booth. She was like, she said in her opinion, it's worse than the Kissing Booth movies. I disagree with that take, but I see where she's coming from.
Black Bag (02:01)
Olivia or
Liv DAWG (02:03)
She.
Black Bag (02:06)
Jessica and I watched, when we watched Twilight, we were having the best time, just like laughing our asses off. It's so fun. Yeah, yeah.
Walter Lyle (02:11)
It's so fun. It's so fun.
Liv DAWG (02:12)
It's so good. It's, yeah.
It's good cause it's fun. It's not good cause it's good. It's good cause it's fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Walter Lyle (02:19)
I'm not passing any judgement on the quality of the movie. It
is the entertainment value.
Liv DAWG (02:24)
It's the entertainment value. is how it also, how much it has like seeped into like pop culture and how it has led to so many other things in pop culture, like the 50 shades of gray series and book series and movie series. It also led to the yes. And the downfall of Ellen. It's just, it truly, it truly is so much bigger. Yes.
Black Bag (02:27)
What's the implication of this?
Walter Lyle (02:28)
Yeah.
huh.
Black Bag (02:41)
in Mickey 17.
Walter Lyle (02:44)
Mm-hmm.
It was a domino. It was one domino that
we have seen many trails of other dominoes fall because of it.
Black Bag (02:55)
Honestly, yes. Importan-
Liv DAWG (02:56)
So many.
Black Bag (02:58)
extremely important.
Walter Lyle (02:59)
We would not have modern Romanticism like Akitar and all that stuff without Twilight. Stephanie Meyer, thank you. And this is how I feel about that.
Liv DAWG (03:03)
no, a thousand percent.
Black Bag (03:05)
Yeah, of course.
I I wouldn't
go that far, but...
Liv DAWG (03:11)
S-
That's how Jacob felt about Bela. Bela. Bela. You are Team Jacob.
Walter Lyle (03:14)
Team Jacob.
Black Bag (03:16)
By- by Allah.
Walter Lyle (03:18)
Bella
I'm actually team neither, I think they're both awful.
Liv DAWG (03:23)
Okay, no,
no, here's deal. No one is great. The only person who's great is her dad, Charlie.
Walter Lyle (03:28)
No.
Charlie, yeah, Charlie's top tier.
Black Bag (03:32)
Have y'all seen the outtake
where they go, she goes to the Cullen's house for the first time and there's the rain stick and she like improvises a line. As I saw it today, she says something about their dog when she was growing up, like they had a chihuahua and it was like the most awkward thing in the world. And the rain stick is like making all of that noise while she's trying to deliver the line. I think she was making, I'm assuming she was improvising, Kristen Stewart.
Walter Lyle (03:41)
No, what did she say?
Liv DAWG (03:42)
No.
Walter Lyle (03:49)
Mm-hmm.
It sounds like it would have fit
in with that movie though, honestly. Like, that movie had no rules. We're gonna just put everything on paper and just see what we can get away with.
Liv DAWG (04:03)
Yes. Yeah.
Black Bag (04:04)
Right. Yeah.
Liv DAWG (04:11)
Well, I think that they really did not expect it to be successful at all. Because, I mean, you can tell with each...
Walter Lyle (04:17)
Mmm, I would push back on
that. I would push back on that because the books were already popping off like crazy
Liv DAWG (04:22)
Books
were popping off like crazy, but just because a book series does that does not mean the movie is going to be successful. I.E. Diversion.
Black Bag (04:28)
It was unprecedented.
Well, Twilight was pre-Hunger Games, correct? So it was kinda like...yeah.
Walter Lyle (04:32)
Mmm.
Yes. Yes.
Liv DAWG (04:36)
Right, yeah, which was what I was gonna get with... Well, that's where
I was going with Divergent, but go ahead.
Black Bag (04:41)
the teen sector hadn't exploded yet. It was really, I mean, well, other than Harry Potter. So they knew, okay, we're gonna go more modern, a little bit lower budget, and it was extremely successful. So, good for them.
Liv DAWG (04:46)
No, no.
Sure, yeah.
Walter Lyle (04:51)
Harry Potter was like a precursor for a lot of this.
Liv DAWG (04:55)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (04:58)
Yeah, well there's a ton
Liv DAWG (04:58)
Right.
Walter Lyle (04:59)
of hype around it. All they had to do was like put what was on paper to screen and not change too much and everybody's gonna eat it up. And that's exactly what they did. Because I read all those books in middle school and they're awful. They're terrible.
Liv DAWG (05:08)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. So
bad. And yet, I read every single one of them. Loved them.
Walter Lyle (05:18)
Same. I read
Black Bag (05:19)
I didn't
Walter Lyle (05:19)
them all
Black Bag (05:20)
because I'm a good Christian boy.
Walter Lyle (05:20)
because I was waiting for the cause I had sex.
Liv DAWG (05:25)
In middle school? my goodness.
Black Bag (05:25)
Because I had sex. You
got the line in before I even thought to. Good job, Walter.
Walter Lyle (05:33)
Yeah, I did. know, I know.
Hey, you know what we forgot to do?
Black Bag (05:49)
Welcome to Flower Film Country. I'm Isaac Simms.
Liv DAWG (05:52)
I'm Olivia Clement.
Walter Lyle (05:54)
and I'm Walter Lyle.
Black Bag (05:56)
This is a film podcast hosted by residents of Arkansas and Oklahoma. We talk about Twilight and we try to bring in perspective somewhere between the average movie goer, goer, and your cousin enrolled in his sophomore year of film school at...
Walter Lyle (06:12)
What's a collagen near forks?
Black Bag (06:13)
Universis!
University of Seattle, Forkins.
Liv DAWG (06:17)
Orkin? Seattle.
Walter Lyle (06:19)
No, it's Seattle.
University of Seattle, right?
Liv DAWG (06:23)
Yeah.
Black Bag (06:23)
Yup,
supersonics. I don't know. We want everyone to know that the movies are great and we're building a community of film fans and flyover country.
Walter Lyle (06:25)
That works. Yeah.
Liv DAWG (06:34)
That's right. And today we're going to give you the lowdown on what we've been watching recently. It's been kind of crazy with like the start stock market crashing and the world just feels like it's imploding. But you know what? There's been some recent movies that we've enjoyed. We got a couple of trailers recently that we're really excited about and we're just, we're just going to talk about some things that we're really looking forward to. So, I mean, at least things we're excited about.
Black Bag (07:00)
and forget that our
portfolios are in the trash can.
Liv DAWG (07:07)
Jokes on you don't have a portfolio, because I am poor.
Walter Lyle (07:09)
Yeah
Black Bag (07:11)
Hey.
Walter Lyle (07:11)
Those
insert some line here from Bruce Banner in the first Avengers movie. That's my secret captain. I never had a 401k
Liv DAWG (07:16)
Yeah.
I never had a portfolio.
Black Bag (07:22)
We'll see. % tariff on China, 20 % tariff on Canada, 20 % tariff on... Stop, stop, I'm doing something, I'm doing something! Okay, yeah, but we are gonna forget our worries and our strife and return to the bare necessities of the movies. Before we get into a couple things we've been watching, okay, one battle after another.
Walter Lyle (07:26)
Stop stop I'm doing something
Black Bag (07:48)
that trailer came out. Big deal, because Leonardo DiCaprio hasn't been in a big movie, I think, since Don't Look Up. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Liv DAWG (07:59)
yeah.
Walter Lyle (07:59)
Really?
Producer is on the case. I'm going to IMDB.
Black Bag (08:00)
pretty sure. I'm pretty sure this is as big.
What did you think about the trailer, Olivia?
Liv DAWG (08:10)
I'm stoked for it. I'm very interested in it.
Black Bag (08:12)
Do you feel like Tony
Montana?
Liv DAWG (08:17)
No?
Black Bag (08:18)
Do you remember Dan, Teyana Taylor is pregnant shooting the machine, the 16 and she turns her out. goes, bitch, I felt like Tony Montana. Such a good.
Liv DAWG (08:28)
I've only watched
it once, and it was like right when it came out, which I think was a week or so before we were recording, so... But that's really funny. Walter, producer, update.
Black Bag (08:36)
Yeah, I think it was like a week, week or two ago.
I l- producer?
Walter Lyle (08:44)
in
Killers of the Flower mood. It was in 2023.
Black Bag (08:47)
right, right,
Liv DAWG (08:47)
yeah, how did we forget that?
Black Bag (08:50)
I just, the first thing that came to mind, I'm still recovering from a very great and very exhausting weekend with my family and taking care of my two kids during that time. So bear with me. One battle after another is Paul Thomas Anderson's most recent movie, following up liquorice pizza and it looks dope. It looks really funny. And apparently this movie had like a huge budget, like
a hundred and seventy five million or a hundred and like it's most of his movies are way less than a hundred million dollars. There's no way he's going to make they're going to make all that back unless it catches. Well, apparently I'm just saying I'm just saying what smarter people than I have said. You need to.
Liv DAWG (09:26)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Not with that attitude.
I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding, I'm just, I'm just kidding.
I'm sorry. Isaac, listen, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Black Bag (09:47)
See, now I don't feel like Tony Montana.
Liv DAWG (09:50)
Sorry, that's not very Tony Montana of me.
Black Bag (09:52)
That was not very Tony Montana of you. Anyway, This movie... I love that Leonardo DiCaprio is just continuing this trend of him playing like losers. Because you can tell that Bob Ferguson, his character in this movie, is just like a... Like has totally messed everything up in his life. And he's got like a bathrobe on and glasses and he's unshaved and...
jumping out of cars and it looks really really awesome and funny so pretty stoked
Liv DAWG (10:29)
Walter, did you watch the trailer?
Walter Lyle (10:31)
No.
Black Bag (10:33)
Did you watch the trailer for the Phoenician scheme?
Did you watch the trailer for the Phoenician scheme, Olivia?
Liv DAWG (10:40)
Yeah, I actually sent it to our group on Instagram and then you sent it like an hour later. Yeah. No, it's okay. I know, I know, I know.
Black Bag (10:45)
I was catching up on... we've talked about this, I really don't want y'all to take it personally
Walter Lyle (10:46)
I did notice that. I did notice that.
Black Bag (10:52)
when I do that because I'm bad.
Walter Lyle (10:57)
In the Senate.
Black Bag (10:58)
Person, friends,
Liv DAWG (11:01)
Period.
Black Bag (11:01)
Instagram.
Liv DAWG (11:03)
No, that's not, first of all, no, no, you're just bad. You're not bad at any those other, you're just all together, just bad. Yeah.
Black Bag (11:05)
Instagram real viewer.
Liv DAWG (11:20)
right.
Walter Lyle (11:21)
RIP.
Liv DAWG (11:39)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (11:39)
no progress being made because that's how arguments are in real life. So we got a little bit of that. It's got a stacked cast. It seems like Benicio del Toro is the kind of front and center star. Didn't get as much Michael Cera in the trailer as I would have liked, but we got an assassin dying by a cyanide capsule in an elevator, which was super, super funny. And got a plane crash and...
Liv DAWG (11:52)
Yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (12:08)
some other fun stuff, so.
Liv DAWG (12:10)
It's kind of wild to me, and I think we talked about this when we first found out that Michael Cera is gonna be in this film. It's wild to me that he's never been in a Wes Henderson film before. He just, it just feels so right.
Black Bag (12:27)
Yeah. It does. And it's gonna be great. That is coming out on... I think later this year. no, it's May! May 30th. Great. And then... Yes. It is. It's not... But it's next month. Right. So, Phoenician schemes next month. One battle after another is coming...
Liv DAWG (12:41)
which is later this year. It's still, still later. That's right. I'm just, just saying.
Walter Lyle (12:44)
tomorrow is later this year.
Black Bag (12:59)
September 26th which was moved up from December initially, like at the beginning of the year was coming out in December so it's got moved up so there's some confidence in it to make some money which is cool. But here's a peek guys at May. We got Mission Impossible 8 which I know we're all pretty psyched for.
Liv DAWG (13:27)
site.
Walter Lyle (13:29)
Hmm.
Black Bag (13:30)
Phoenician scheme, bring her back. The movie from the directors, the most recent movie from the directors of talk to me, but let her go. Yeah. Bring her back. Bring her back. Let her go. Bring her back. The, that trailer is really freaky. You should, you all should go watch it. Not Olivia since she, yep. Yep. It's not into that sort of stuff. Thunderbolts at the beginning of the month and then friendship, the Paul Rudd.
Walter Lyle (13:41)
I was quoting, think you should leave, sorry.
Liv DAWG (13:50)
No, it's okay. I'm good.
Black Bag (13:59)
Tim Robinson movie, which is...
Walter Lyle (14:01)
You and I had to go see that together. That's... Yeah.
Black Bag (14:04)
white men everywhere will
Liv DAWG (14:05)
You guys have to. Go see it.
Black Bag (14:07)
be
just seen spiritually, emotionally.
Walter Lyle (14:13)
There is I don't think I don't think as long as we've known each other Isaac there's been a more Walter and Isaac coated movie that's come out like that's And again because we're both just straight white men So that speaks to me
Liv DAWG (14:13)
Right.
Hahaha
That's so true.
Black Bag (14:28)
Yeah.
Liv DAWG (14:28)
You know,
if there's any group that really needs a voice right now, it's Stray White Men. Yes. Yeah. Uh-huh.
Walter Lyle (14:34)
We're very underrepresented. Very underrepresented. There was
several weeks ago in church, I showed up to play in the band that morning and there was supposed to be, just a little bit, there was supposed to be a couple of women in the band that morning. I think three of them, all three of them were sick. And so, our worship leader tried calling a few other, because there were a couple songs we supposed play that were female-led. There was a very specific key that none of the men could sing. And so,
Black Bag (14:44)
humblebrag.
Liv DAWG (14:50)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (15:03)
Couldn't get any women on a last minute notice to come on stage. So it was all like, it was like an all guy band that day. It's like the pastor comes in like halfway through practice and he said something like, all guys today, okay. And I yelled that from the drum cage. yeah, I've always felt like men were really underrepresented in the church. So we're really given a voice to us today, especially leadership in the church.
Black Bag (15:24)
especially in leadership.
Yeah.
Liv DAWG (15:28)
Yeah, yeah,
Black Bag (15:29)
Yeah.
Liv DAWG (15:30)
that's so funny.
Walter Lyle (15:30)
So
somebody's gotta say the things that everybody's too afraid to say, okay? Yeah, and I'm done with political correctness in the church.
Liv DAWG (15:34)
You gotta say the hard truths, you know?
Black Bag (15:37)
Yep. I'll say,
Liv DAWG (15:39)
Yeah.
Black Bag (15:39)
I'll say what no one wants to say. The children yearn for the mines. The Minecraft movie made $157 million this weekend.
Walter Lyle (15:43)
Yeah, yeah.
Liv DAWG (15:43)
Ha
Walter Lyle (15:49)
Which is crazy. That was really good. That was really good. I'm shocked at how much how I don't I'm not gonna say how well the movie's doing, but how much money the movie is. Yes, how much money the movie is making? That's crazy. I've heard it's bad.
Liv DAWG (15:49)
Great segue. Crushed it.
Black Bag (15:51)
301 worldwide, thank you. Thank you so much. That was awesome.
Liv DAWG (16:01)
Yeah.
Black Bag (16:02)
People love
Minecraft. think there's a good gap. It's been a couple years since Minecraft was at its peak. Those people are probably 21, 22, 23? What did you say? Like five years younger than us? Did you ever play Minecraft, Walter?
Liv DAWG (16:22)
I don't know.
Walter Lyle (16:23)
Um, yeah,
I, I played it for the first time two years ago when Morgan was pregnant and there was like a, one of my friends from college, we were trying to find games that we could play together online to like hang out. And that was one of them. And I was like, you know, I've never played it. I'll try it. Um, so I told Morgan one, right before we went to bed and I was like, uh, I was like, yeah, I'm gonna try playing Minecraft for a little bit. And she's like, okay. Uh, and then, and then the next morning.
Because she's already, she went to sleep the next morning. She was like, when did you come to bed? And I was like, like one AM. I got sucked into it.
Black Bag (17:00)
Bro,
the first time I played Stardew Valley I stayed up until 3.30. Yep.
Walter Lyle (17:07)
Yeah, dude,
when I first, the first time I played Stardew Valley, was like my first remote job is like in 2018. I can say this now because I don't work for them anymore and who cares? I think I lost two straight days of work. Like I, I, I, I replied to like any emails that came in, but I was like, yeah, I was like, yeah, I'm working on it. And then back to.
Black Bag (17:22)
my gosh.
That's insane.
I just hit 101 hours on The Last of Us Part 2 on their no return mode.
Walter Lyle (17:33)
Ooh.
Liv DAWG (17:35)
what does that mean?
Walter Lyle (17:36)
Nice.
Black Bag (17:37)
It's like you just go through the levels and they get progressively harder and if you die you have to start over. Yeah. I'll send you some clips, I've gotten pretty good. Like, yep.
Walter Lyle (17:42)
And if you die, you to start, yeah. Yeah.
Liv DAWG (17:44)
my God.
Okay.
Alright. When he's a gamer.
Walter Lyle (17:50)
Which, a little bit of a spoiler, as a gamer, a little bit of
a spoiler alert for season two. We're gonna talk about that in a little bit. Season two of The Last of Us coming out pretty soon. What's the release date for that?
Black Bag (18:03)
next weekend. Or no, this coming weekend. If you're listening to this on Tuesday, it's coming out on the 12th, I think.
Walter Lyle (18:04)
wow. I never watched... okay.
I've never watched season one, I haven't seen any other show. Because I played the first game.
Liv DAWG (18:19)
You've been there, done that.
Walter Lyle (18:19)
I don't...
Black Bag (18:20)
First season is actually
Walter Lyle (18:20)
I don't wanna retread.
Black Bag (18:21)
like a pretty, it's like an adaptation. It's not everything happens exactly the way, but it's mostly the same, but it's still different enough to where it's pretty interesting. I'm excited. Excited for season two for sure. Should we talk about the mines? I'm just kidding. Should we talk about, kinda catch up on some of the things that we've been watching? Okay, let's do.
Walter Lyle (18:24)
Yeah, and I understand.
Yeah, I'm not super interested in it though.
Yes. Now
Liv DAWG (18:46)
Yes.
Walter Lyle (18:47)
for the next 40 minutes we'll talk about Twilight. Is that right?
Black Bag (18:51)
Yeah, right. We've all been binging Twilight. We've sucked you in if you're listening. We're just talking about Twilight. Yeah, the whole trilogy. The whole saga. Right. But no, let's do movies first and then I know we all want to talk about Severance. Have either of y'all been watching White Lotus Season 3?
Liv DAWG (18:51)
Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
Walter Lyle (19:02)
No, it's a saga. Yeah, there's four of them. Five if you're talking about the movies.
Liv DAWG (19:06)
Yeah.
Right.
Walter Lyle (19:13)
Yes, I do.
Liv DAWG (19:16)
No, but I finished White Lotus Season 2 not that long ago.
Walter Lyle (19:17)
I have not.
Black Bag (19:19)
Okay, I'll just say.
Walter Lyle (19:20)
I've watched season 1.
Liv DAWG (19:22)
Okay, so
we can talk about each season.
Walter Lyle (19:24)
There's something here.
There's something here.
Black Bag (19:27)
Let's
talk about movies first and then White Lotus and then Severance. Sound good? Okay. Either of you see Black Bag, the Steven Soderbergh movie. Let's, okay, Livy, what'd you think? Black Bag. Fucking rules. It's so good.
Walter Lyle (19:34)
Okay, yes.
Liv DAWG (19:35)
Great, love the plan.
Yes.
It was so good. I freaking loved it. It
rules. It, first of all, love that it's a tight 90, you know? Love that it's like an hour and a half. Yes. Walter, I think you would like it too. I think you'd like the cinematography. Cinematography. One of my friends, I was watching...
Black Bag (19:52)
my gosh, yeah.
Walter Lyle (19:54)
Who is it?
Black Bag (19:55)
Walter, you would like it, I think. I think you would legitimately actually would like it.
Walter Lyle (19:58)
Yeah.
Black Bag (20:05)
Cinnamon.
Liv DAWG (20:11)
something with some of my friends the other day and they kept saying cinematography and I was like, you guys are ridiculous. And then here I am saying it because they freaking said it. They primed me for it. Anyway, moving on. The script is great. Everyone is awesome in it. It's truly just such a hot cast too, that helps. So Isaac, what'd you think of it?
Black Bag (20:37)
It rules, I got to see it with my foster brother Billy. He was in town, he's in the military, he was in town with his kids and he and I got to go in and see it and we were like just hooting and hollering the whole time. Like it is so smart and it's such a tight, I would honestly say, I kind of think it's a perfect script. It moves fast enough for you to just be like, holy shit, what's gonna happen next? But then you're just really entertained because everyone is really good on their A game.
Liv DAWG (20:57)
Sure, yeah.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (21:01)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (21:06)
There is a scene where basically the plot of the movie Walter is Michael Fassbender and Kate Blanchett are married and they're spies and they both work for MI6 and when they And when they can't when they can't like reveal a detail about work, they say black back well it comes to light that She may be tied up in something
Walter Lyle (21:20)
I've I have seen the trailer for this movie, so I know what the setup is
Black Bag (21:35)
that would be implicating him. And so it kind of tests their marriage and it's a movie about marriage, which is really cool and rare and like very clever. And obviously as Olivia said, it's very sexy and we love a sexy movie as listeners of the podcast. No, but there is a scene where there's a key inner circle where
Liv DAWG (21:42)
Mm-hmm.
hahahaha
Black Bag (22:02)
Michael Fassbender's character has identified like one of these people leaked a key detail that is putting my wife at risk. And he's got everyone on a polygraph and it's edited. is Olivia knows exactly what I'm talking about. This scene had me just in awe of, I, if you want to pull it up, Walter, to see who edited it. I was just.
Liv DAWG (22:20)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (22:30)
floored by how good this scene was. was like one of the coolest things I've ever seen. It is storytelling and act and honest directing and acting like all on just did like 15 out of 15 like 15 out of 10 like just like everyone is on fire. Like you know everyone when they called cut after each clip it was just like, wow, let's go, you know, so.
Liv DAWG (22:43)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Walter Lyle (22:57)
I should have guessed
that Stephen Soderbergh himself edited.
Black Bag (23:02)
So, and that kind of goes back to some of the Sean Baker sort of, know, can't, no one edits your movie better than you do. If you have that true vision. Blew my mind. Like, cannot recommend Black Bag enough. Jess also saw it. I was raving about it her and she went and saw it with a friend and they both loved it, so.
Liv DAWG (23:02)
Okay.
Walter Lyle (23:04)
Not surprised.
Liv DAWG (23:12)
Mm-hmm.
It feels like something Jess would also really like. So that makes sense. But yeah, it's, it is very smart. It's very fun. I mean, that particular scene that you were talking about, Isaac, just like my heart was racing. I was like, my gosh, like how is he's going to be able to tell? And he did. mean, so it was just, it was so good. I was so sucked into it. So.
Black Bag (23:25)
Yep. It's very, very smart. Yeah.
Liv DAWG (23:46)
I ended up being late to it. I missed the first four or five minutes of the film. And so I was kind of playing catch up at one point, at the beginning. But you just kind of get dropped in and you get going and it's so, so good. Everyone was crushing it. mean, loved it. It was awesome, for sure.
Walter Lyle (24:06)
Cool.
Well,
the first even Soderbergh movie I think I've seen was Presence, which I don't know if I talked about too much on the pod. I might've mentioned it in an episode after we watched it, but...
Liv DAWG (24:21)
feel like you mentioned it, yeah.
Black Bag (24:22)
think you did. But wait, you said
the first Steven Soderbergh movie you've seen ever? Have you seen Oceans?
Walter Lyle (24:26)
I think so.
Black Bag (24:30)
You haven't seen any of the oceans movies?
Walter Lyle (24:33)
Ocean sorry dude I don't know why but when you said Ocean's my brain thought of the worship song and I was like assuming it was some faith-based film based on based on that song
Liv DAWG (24:45)
It probably does exist.
Black Bag (24:46)
I
how Walto is just dropping hints like, man, I'm just a Christian guy, you I just love the Lord. Yeah, yeah. I play on the team, I represent women, you know?
Walter Lyle (24:53)
I just, you gotta know,
All
that all that stuff. Um, no I have yes i've seen I think the only one i've seen is oceans 11. I mean Fantastic movie though. Um I don't think I knew that that was him. So that's cool. Um, i'm looking through his imdb and seeing if there's any other um
Liv DAWG (25:08)
Mm-hmm.
You mean you haven't seen Magic Mike?
Walter Lyle (25:21)
I haven't actually.
Black Bag (25:22)
I actually
have not seen Magic Mike. I need to.
Liv DAWG (25:23)
I also haven't seen it.
Walter Lyle (25:25)
man, do
we should do, we should, should, I'm not memeing. We should do an episode about Magic Bike.
Black Bag (25:30)
Magic Mike.
I heard it, I know it kicks ass, like everyone says it's awesome.
Walter Lyle (25:33)
I love Channing Tatum.
Anyway, Presence was a movie that I did not love at first and then after a couple days, I really came around on it. Especially because I looked into a lot of the behind the scenes stuff and Steven Soderbergh's process and his creative decisions that he was the one who shot and edited the whole thing. And I was like, okay, I actually really like it a lot more now. So I'll watch Black Bag, I don't care, dude.
Liv DAWG (25:54)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (26:02)
Soderbergh
is kind of like I think that true like people who really follow movies at least respect him because he is just wildly prolific and but also tries so much stuff and like loves the experience of like shooting a movie and it's cool that like this year within a couple months we got a presence and black bag.
Walter Lyle (26:16)
Mm-hmm.
Liv DAWG (26:21)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, yeah.
Walter Lyle (26:31)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (26:31)
And they
were both projects that he wrote with David Kep, who wrote War of the Worlds and has worked with Spielberg a bunch in the past. And they finally got to work together after getting both these off the ground after several years. So we don't talk about him, I think, on the podcast, but he is a pretty important director with a really, really impressive filmography.
Walter Lyle (26:44)
Yeah.
Liv DAWG (26:49)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (26:55)
Yeah.
Liv DAWG (26:58)
Yeah.
Walter Lyle (26:59)
Well, he, no, no, you're good, you're good.
Liv DAWG (26:59)
And like Vass, like, sorry, sorry, Walter. Just like, it's, it's, it's not like one, like one genre necessarily. It's, it's, like you said, he tries a lot of different things, which is really interesting. And like one of, I think Isaac and my favorite movies, don't know, Walter, I don't know if you've seen Logan Lucky, like Isaac and I love that film. I think, well, I think you would really like it too.
Black Bag (27:22)
Yep. Yep.
Liv DAWG (27:27)
It's got Channing Tatum in it. And Adam Driver.
Walter Lyle (27:27)
Probably, mean, okay, hey, there you go, I'm in.
Black Bag (27:31)
And yeah,
Walter Lyle (27:31)
I'm in.
Black Bag (27:32)
they're brothers. And they're running.
Walter Lyle (27:32)
Yeah, yeah, you don't have keep selling me, I'm in. it, I, Stephen, so, like, I knew who he was before, you know, getting more into movies with y'all, but I knew of him because of Unsane, which is the movie that he made that was shot all on an iPhone, which I think it...
Liv DAWG (27:37)
Okay, all right, great.
Black Bag (27:53)
That's a fun movie.
Liv DAWG (27:53)
yeah.
Yeah.
Walter Lyle (27:57)
people thought it was okay like story wise, just everybody's just like, can you believe he shot off this on an iPhone? That's crazy. So yeah, I think he's, he, we need directors like that who were just like, I'll shoot it on a phone. don't care. And presence, presence was like a similar approach. Like he shot that. I think we talked, I think I might've mentioned this when I talked about presence, but it was, he shot the whole thing on.
Liv DAWG (28:04)
Yeah. It is crazy.
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (28:26)
a Sony mirrorless camera.
Liv DAWG (28:28)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Black Bag (28:47)
Or at least
like full commitment to whatever he's doing. If it's not like a huge scale, it's, I'm gonna go through with this. Like he made a movie with Meryl Streep called Let Them All Talk. And it's just like a long conversation with Meryl Streep and her friends on a cruise. And like some other stuff happens, but it's just like, that was a COVID movie. And he got really creative. Just like, okay, I can do this on this boat, cause we can quarantine.
Liv DAWG (28:53)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (29:06)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (29:15)
with the cast members after two weeks of quarantining or whatever and we know everyone's safe and then we can make the movie and it's like really unique like production and result. So even if some people don't love it, but anyway.
Liv DAWG (29:29)
Yeah.
Walter Lyle (29:29)
Yeah,
well, I mean, speaking of something, you like this segue? we think of it just like, there are a couple of movies that I watch in the past few weeks that are older, so they're not like, you know, I can't like be like, this is groundbreaking stuff, but I'll do a little lightning round real quick of what I watched. I watched Mamma Mia since the last time we recorded. Mainly to,
Black Bag (29:36)
Speaking of unicorns...
Liv DAWG (29:37)
Yeah, speaking of unicorns.
yes!
Black Bag (29:58)
Did we talk about Mom and
Me on the last episode?
Walter Lyle (30:00)
No, because I think it was right after we recorded the last episode. But my sister's a big fan of Mamma Mia and she and Morgan and our friend Savannah did Mamma Mia trivia at a coffee shop. And so the night before they that that's it. They but they wanted to brush up on their Mamma Mia trivia. And so we watched the movie. They got they got second place in trivia. And you all know, I'm the number one musical hater.
Liv DAWG (30:01)
No.
that's fun.
Black Bag (30:16)
That's where all the white women are at.
Liv DAWG (30:18)
Ha
Sure, obviously. Nice!
Walter Lyle (30:29)
in the group. So I'm like, I obviously didn't let that part. I cannot tell you that I hated the rest of the movie, though. Like, beautiful, beautifully shot. course, it's in Greece. Like you can point a camera anywhere and be like, oh, that looks pretty good. But it was it every it seemed like everybody was having a really good time in that movie, even when Pierce Brosnan is, I think, singing really badly on purpose, because that's the only explanation I have for how bad he sounds as a singer.
Liv DAWG (30:31)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Walter Lyle (30:59)
But it was a very fun movie and that's all I have to say about Mamma Mia for now.
Black Bag (31:05)
Apparently
everyone was drunk when they were filming Mamma Mia. So like yeah.
Liv DAWG (31:07)
I was about say, they were having a good time because they were drunk. Yeah.
Walter Lyle (31:09)
I'm not surprised, that sounds
right. The other movie I've watched since then was Pop Star, Never Stop Never Stopping, is that the name of it? Never Stop Never Stopping, yeah, 2016, Andy Samberg, Lonely Island. That was a really fun experience. was just, Morgan and just watched that a few nights ago, just on the couch.
Liv DAWG (31:16)
yes, yes, yes.
Black Bag (31:17)
That movie's so funny! I love that movie.
Liv DAWG (31:30)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (31:36)
And there were a couple of times where like, look after a certain joke or a bit, I look over Morgan's jaw is like open. She's like, as if like, we can't believe that they got away with that. One of like, obviously I'm not gonna quote it, but the scene where like some black guy says the N word as like a, you know, in the colloquial way. And then Maya Rudolph responds by saying it back with the hard R and just like, like, and just like keeps talking.
Liv DAWG (31:46)
huh.
Black Bag (32:02)
You
Walter Lyle (32:04)
Look and it just moves on it goes to the next joke. It's so crazy Like we I had to I had to rewind it as I'm like, I cannot believe they did that and the other like bit that really got us was The Render Morgan speechless was when yep, cuz you've seen this movie, right? Okay, the scene where they're in the limo and Andy Samberg and his former like bandmate are like arguing in the limo and like that one girl presses her boobs against the glass and he's like pointing out whole time, but while he's looking away some other guy puts his dick up
Liv DAWG (32:08)
You
Yeah, yeah.
Walter Lyle (32:33)
He's like has this whole like almost soliloquy about like he's like so like you gotta you gotta lean into the fame You gotta love it. You gotta slurp it down like I'm about to and then he turns around and it's Incredible incredible writing But yeah super funny movie. The songs are really funny. Like the one about Ben Lodden was hilarious and just like how I could not believe how many cameos they got from different musicians and actors like Every time they showed a new person on screen. I was like
Liv DAWG (32:48)
So funny.
yeah.
huh.
Walter Lyle (33:03)
They got ushered like that's crazy. The one that I thought was the funniest was DJ Khaled and they brought him on for it. I was like, I can almost guarantee you didn't even tell them this. They told him this is a real documentary. And they're like, Hey, DJ Khaled react to this. We'll show you this clip real quick. What do you think about that? He's like, well, let me tell you something. And they're like, run it. That's the take. That's it.
Liv DAWG (33:22)
You
Walter Lyle (33:30)
So I loved it. That was super funny. Great movie. And I think a sequel. I think we're overdue for a sequel. It's been almost 10 years.
Liv DAWG (33:39)
my gosh. God, I would too.
Black Bag (33:41)
I'd watch a sequel. Like Andy Samberg
Walter Lyle (33:41)
So, yeah.
Black Bag (33:43)
with like graying hair. Washed up. Yeah, let's do it.
Walter Lyle (33:45)
Yeah. Yeah.
Liv DAWG (33:46)
wash
up, yeah. We need it, we need it.
Walter Lyle (33:49)
Anyway,
Black Bag (33:50)
Olivia,
Walter Lyle (33:50)
so that's those are the couple things I watched.
Black Bag (33:52)
I didn't get to see Death of a Unicorn, so you'll have to speak on it.
Liv DAWG (33:53)
Nice.
Okay.
All right. Death of a Unicorn is a very weird movie, which you could probably guess based on the title, but it was so like fun and like not zany. Zany is not the right word. There are parts where it was like kind of intense because the unicorns in this film are like massive. They're not like
I feel like typically when we think of unicorns in other forms of media and films and stuff, they're the same size as a horse, maybe a little bit bigger, but they're massive, massive, and also terrifying. I have a new fear of unicorns, actually, after watching this film. But it kind of leans into the idea that rich people are the worst, which is true.
Walter Lyle (34:33)
Mm-hmm.
Liv DAWG (34:50)
Like people who are just yeah, like it's it's so true But Jenna Ortega and Paul Rudd play a daughter and father in this film You can tell there's a lot of tension between the two of them you learn kind of why there's tension and And so it I feel like they have a really good chemistry in this film together there, you know
Walter Lyle (34:51)
Yeah, can't argue.
Liv DAWG (35:19)
Paul Rudd is always like really funny. And I think it might be time to consider, is Paul Rudd America's dad?
I'm just saying, I think he's getting there. I think he's got a lot of good cases as to why he could be America's dad. anyway, and Will Poulter is in this as well. He plays one of the rich people in this family that they go and work for, or Paul Rudd goes and works for. And he's just the absolute worst. Everything I've ever seen him in besides...
Walter Lyle (35:29)
i think he's getting there if he's not already
Liv DAWG (35:56)
I think we're the Millers. is... That's the only time he has not played the absolute worst person.
Walter Lyle (35:58)
was about to say that's like.
Black Bag (36:04)
He's
like a good dude and a bear too. He's like strong and silent, but like he's a good dude. Yeah.
Liv DAWG (36:07)
Yeah, yeah, I forget. Yes. Yeah,
he's I forget he's in The Bear too. Yeah, but he is awful in Midsommar. He plays Eustace in the Chronicles of Narnia movies, like who's so annoying. Has a good character arc. Yeah, that's the that was the very first thing I ever saw him in. And so...
Walter Lyle (36:22)
forgot about that.
Wow.
Black Bag (36:27)
make any jokes
about his eyebrows in Death of a Unicorn? I feel like he's like done a lot of not like surgery work but I feel like his eyebrows are so much less noticeable now for some reason.
Liv DAWG (36:31)
No, I wish they did though.
He's like grown into them a little bit. I don't know. You know, like, like some kids have really big ears that they eventually grow into as they get older. He had really big eyebrows. Isaac, Isaac had really big, aw.
Black Bag (36:43)
Maybe. Yeah.
Walter Lyle (36:44)
That could be it.
Black Bag (36:52)
me. Yeah, I
should show you a picture, baby picture of me.
Walter Lyle (36:55)
I he's
grown into it. I'm looking at a more recent picture of him from February. I think he's just filled out. Like he's just... Yeah. For Avengers, right? Or not Avengers. Guardians, thank you.
Liv DAWG (37:03)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I was gonna say, he also got super buff, so...
Black Bag (37:05)
He's pretty jacked, honestly.
Guardians 3.
Liv DAWG (37:14)
Guardians.
I think he was kind of buff before that though.
Black Bag (37:17)
Yeah.
Liv DAWG (37:19)
But I'm sure the Marvel treatment probably helps with that. anyway, I really liked it. think, you know, I think that... Isaac, think you would like it. Walter, I can't tell. I feel like it could go either way. I feel like you'd either really like it or you'd absolutely hate it. And I don't really know.
Walter Lyle (37:22)
Yeah, yeah.
Black Bag (37:31)
Yeah, I would like to see it.
Walter Lyle (37:33)
Mm.
Black Bag (37:37)
Complete waste of time. I could have been reading my Bible.
Walter Lyle (37:41)
I could have been praising the Lord.
Black Bag (37:43)
Hahaha
Liv DAWG (37:45)
I could have been singing oceans.
Walter Lyle (37:45)
Hehehehe.
Hehehehehe.
Black Bag (37:47)
Oceans.
Did you get to see Opus? Speaking of oceans. I saw Opus. Opus was really good, very clever, very well directed. Iw Edibiri plays a journalist who gets to go do a profile via invitation for a kind of like Jared Leto-esque
Liv DAWG (37:52)
No, I didn't get to see Opus. Did you see it? Did you see it? Okay.
Black Bag (38:17)
Rockstar pop star if they had had the fame of Michael Jackson but she goes sure enough things aren't what they seem and Stuff starts to go wrong and I thought it was not like groundbreaking, but I was I was just very impressed by the direction and the performances and How you kind of think you know what's gonna happen, but then you're kind of surprised at every turn and you could feel
Liv DAWG (38:21)
Okay.
Black Bag (38:46)
the director's name is Mark Anthony Green and this was his first feature and You could feel him making decisions Frame by frame to try to pull you along and surprise you at each moment And so there's there's some really like big WTF moments that I just love in this movie So I would recommend it for sure for to both y'all Don't have y'all would have a good time so
Liv DAWG (39:11)
Okay, yeah, I definitely want to see it. It was
not here for very long, so.
Black Bag (39:17)
Yep, I think I caught it. I think that was last movie I saw in theaters for like a month or so. I've been very busy in the last several weeks. yeah. Let's talk Severance because I know that all three of us have watched season two.
Liv DAWG (39:23)
Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
Yes,
yeah. I feel like I have a different feeling about it than you guys did.
Black Bag (39:38)
Okay.
Liv DAWG (39:40)
I don't, I don't know based on Walter's mess. I don't know if it was a text message to the group or if it was in our Instagram message, but it seemed like Walter had some feelings about it. And Isaac, you posted on your Instagram story that you and I did. And so I was like, I will wait to engage in that until we, we talk about it. So I really loved it, but that does not seem to be the case for you guys. Okay.
Walter Lyle (39:53)
I
Black Bag (39:55)
Yep, and you saw it, yeah.
Walter Lyle (40:08)
WRONG! Wrong!
Black Bag (40:10)
Don't care what's next
joking about that was I'm quoting Walter my yeah my Instagram story was Severance has dared exactly Severance has dared to ask wild questions such as or like has dared to ask insane questions and failed to answer every single one of them including why the hell should I care but that that is that is kind of how I feel like I feel like season one set up this had this incredible cliffhanger
Walter Lyle (40:16)
Yeah.
Liv DAWG (40:17)
No, I know.
Why should I care?
Walter Lyle (40:43)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (40:43)
and
then season two it's just kinda I personally felt like they didn't have a clear plan ahead of like what all was gonna happen and felt a little bit like butter stretched over too much bread personally so
Walter Lyle (41:02)
I just started rereading Fellowship of the Ring. So I love that you said that. How did you know?
Liv DAWG (41:07)
Is that what that's from?
Black Bag (41:07)
Isaac original
Tolkien got it from me so
Walter Lyle (41:10)
Mm-hmm.
Liv DAWG (41:11)
stretching butter?
Walter Lyle (41:12)
It's a line from Bilbo. Spreading. Too much, not enough butter spread over too much bread. You said stretching butter! You said stretching butter! And I was gonna let it fly and Olivia did not.
Black Bag (41:14)
Hmm.
Liv DAWG (41:17)
Okay.
Black Bag (41:18)
I didn't like how you said that.
Liv DAWG (41:21)
Spreading? You said stretching butter. Yes. Yes.
Black Bag (41:23)
Did I say stretching?
Hmm.
Walter Lyle (41:31)
Anyway, yeah, I Isaac I think I have some more thoughts to Isaac and then we'll let Olivia tell us we're wrong. My yes, that was kind of one of my main complaints was like there were so many little things they set up or a little like Like world-building stuff that like I was like does this matter like why do why do I care about this like I don't It's just like there's so many things that they did that was like
Liv DAWG (41:31)
Anyway.
Walter Lyle (42:01)
Did the writers just put this in here knowing it was weird and that was the only reason they put it in there was to make you be like, hmm, what's that about? And then they're like, me not know. the whole, the, was the little girl's name? The little, um, who replaced Milchik. Yeah. And then she just like, he's like, get on, get on the bus and go. And then she's like, okay.
Liv DAWG (42:17)
Miss Wong?
Black Bag (42:18)
Miss Wong.
a bus picked her up.
And there was like, there was the whole with Harmony, Miss Cobell, you got to see like, she was like a child worker. And this cult company has been using child labor and ingenuity for years and Miss Wong is evidence that they're still doing that. And I get that, I think that's interesting. Let's explore that. And then they're like, no, she's gone. So yeah, yeah.
Walter Lyle (42:33)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Right. like, there's so
many times where like, Milchik is like, you can tell like, there's a part of him that hates Lumen and hates his job and like, it is very like, not okay with like, almost anything they're doing, but he's still just like, like there's not a whole lot of growth from him. Even like, we got that scene of him looking in the mirror. It's a very intense well shot scene. Well, he's one of the best actors in this show, by the way. I think he's incredible.
Liv DAWG (43:18)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (43:18)
He's sick. He's
really good.
Liv DAWG (43:19)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (43:21)
But like, you know, cause he, he, was a funny moment when in his performance review, they're like, yeah, one of your main complaints against you is that you're too verbose, that you use words that are too big. So stop doing that. And so he's staring in the mirror saying the same sentence over and over again, but trying to simplify it every time. And that's great. And you're like, okay, like he's going to snap. He's going to turn against Lumen. Like he's going to do some kind of rebellious thing and he just never really does.
except for that one time he cusses out briefly his boss but then that guy gets killed later anyway so I'm like does it matter? maybe that's the point maybe the point is to be like he's such a company man and even though he hates us and has so many problems with it like he's overly loyal to a fault to this company and so maybe that's the message we're supposed to get
Black Bag (43:53)
Yeah.
I don't... I don't...
Liv DAWG (44:12)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (44:14)
My other main complaint was, my gosh, what character assassination of any Helly and any Mark. I will be actively rooting against them for the rest of the show if there is another season, which I assume there will be. And I will be pretty irritated if they try to set them up as any kind of character other than the villains.
Liv DAWG (44:29)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (44:42)
Like if they try to get me to root for them at all, I'm gonna be like, okay, the writers don't know what they're doing. Like this is like, they do not understand like good storytelling at this point. Cause like I do not like them anymore. Okay, sorry. I rambled too much. You're right.
Black Bag (44:55)
Stop! Okay, I'm just kidding.
I don't like putting
Olivia in a position where she feels like she has to defend why she likes it, and I think we're already there, but I just let the record show.
Walter Lyle (45:06)
I do. Olivia?
Liv DAWG (45:09)
Here's the deal. I
just want to say it seems like the two married people on the show don't give a shit about love and I don't understand that. That is crazy to me that you guys... Okay, but like they're separate people. Like I realize it's the same person, but they're separate. And so it's just like, I'm just, I'm so compelled by the fact I don't... Here's the deal. Any Mark and Heli not in game for me.
Walter Lyle (45:20)
It's because he was already married!
Black Bag (45:21)
Whoa.
Liv DAWG (45:39)
They're not in game for me. Mark and Jemma, they're in game. That's true love. That episode that was about their relationship. Oh my God. Phenomenal episode. Best episode of the whole season. Series even maybe. I don't know, of all of television? I would say it's probably one of the best filmed episodes of television.
Walter Lyle (45:40)
No.
Mm-hmm. Phenomenal episode. Great television.
Black Bag (45:58)
ever?
Walter Lyle (46:00)
of the series.
Black Bag (46:01)
of television? Yeah.
Walter Lyle (46:06)
Mm-hmm.
It's really good.
Liv DAWG (46:09)
It was so good. But man, I know, I loved it. I was all about it. And I think part of that too was like, truthfully, I had a lot of friends who were all about it. felt because it came out weekly. And this is another testament as to why we should have weekly episodes of television instead of binging it. We got to like...
Walter Lyle (46:28)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Black Bag (46:29)
I agree, I agree with this. Yep.
Liv DAWG (46:34)
talk about it every week. was always like, have you watched it yet? Have you watched it? Let's talk about it. Let's talk about our new theories. It was so good for community, which is why I loved it. It was one of the reasons I loved it. But also like, thank you. I'm really interested in the story of like,
Walter Lyle (46:39)
Mm-hmm.
Yes, I do love that.
Black Bag (46:47)
I completely agree with
Liv DAWG (46:57)
this company has essentially created a whole other being, right? A whole other person. And they now have to deal with the consequences of that. And their dumbasses were like, hey, we're gonna send the boss's daughter who he hates in here. And I think it's really interesting to think about it from like a psychological perspective of like how...
Walter Lyle (47:01)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Liv DAWG (47:25)
How does the, the any and the outer, how are they connected? And how does like maybe the any reflect a part of the Audi's life that they can't really verbalize. Right? So like, loved learning more about Helena and, or Helena and, and Heli's dynamics because, and seeing more of, of Helena's life because Heli got everything that she couldn't have because she got to be free.
Walter Lyle (47:36)
Mm-hmm.
Liv DAWG (47:55)
despite the fact that she was trapped. And that was really, really interesting to me. And freaking Mark S, any Mark, like, I don't know, to some extent, I kind of get where he's coming from. He's not in love with Jemma. He's in love with Helly. And they're not thinking more than just the past, like, past, like, 10 minutes in the future. And I think that's crazy. As someone who...
Walter Lyle (47:56)
Mm-hmm.
Liv DAWG (48:25)
who has never been in love like you two claim to be, I think I would do anything for ten more minutes with the love of my life. I don't know. But maybe... No, I know. I know. No, no, neither of you guys have just talked about your complaints with like, they're too busy world building. Who cares? I don't give a shit about the world building.
Black Bag (48:30)
you
Walter Lyle (48:33)
No, you know what it is Olivia.
Black Bag (48:34)
Let the record show I have not said anything about how I feel about Gemma and Mark and Ellie.
That was Walter, was not my complaint.
Walter Lyle (48:48)
Olivia, Olivia, it's
becau- it's because you only like it because, Heli has red hair.
Liv DAWG (48:55)
That's not true. In fact, most of the time, I'm so annoyed with the redheaded character in most everything. Except for like, Kim Possible.
Walter Lyle (49:03)
They do, yeah.
Yeah, they do demonize redheads in Hollywood.
Black Bag (49:06)
and SabiSync.
Liv DAWG (49:07)
Yeah,
they're either the mean girl or they're the loser nerd. And so...
Black Bag (49:15)
Remember tall girl? Wasn't tall girl, was she blonde or was she red?
Walter Lyle (49:18)
She's blonde.
Liv DAWG (49:19)
Yeah, I was like,
I think she was one. Yeah.
Walter Lyle (49:21)
Nice try though, dude.
Black Bag (49:23)
Shit! We should do a Tall Girl episode.
Walter Lyle (49:25)
Nice try. Don't try me on my tall girl lore.
I would love to do a Tall Girl episode.
Black Bag (49:35)
Um,
okay. I, I think I'm out on severance, but I could come back to it. Um, I agree with everything you said, Olivia. It was really fun. I have a friend at work and he said, you got to watch severance. got to watch severance. It's getting really good. And I loved the first like four or five episodes and then hit the gem episode. And I thought it was really interesting. And then the last three episodes just.
It's this thing where like, don't have to have answers, but I have to at least feel momentum in this show. And I felt like I was on the ice in that one episode where they all wake up on the ice and then they have the oar- bow and that episode was by far my favorite probably of like the entire Severance series. But I felt like I was there on the ice and I could see where I needed to go in the answers at the end. Why was-
Walter Lyle (50:13)
It needs to be, it needs to feel like it's going somewhere.
Great episode.
Liv DAWG (50:25)
Mm-hmm, yeah.
Black Bag (50:35)
Why is Gemma so important? Why are there no security cameras? Why is their security so bad? And that Mark was able to get down there? Like, it's just stuff like that. It's like, if this is such a well-oiled machine, like, I'm not smart, I'm not like trying to pick things apart, but I'm just like, why, why, why, why? And I don't like viewing movies in...
Liv DAWG (50:42)
Yeah.
Walter Lyle (50:43)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (51:00)
in shows that way because I would try to enjoy them genuinely but like this was one of those experiences where just like I could not help it and I could not help it be just kind of annoyed that things were just not making sense. And then my answers there weren't even like tidbits of like hey this might be the answer we didn't even get like much of that. So anyway so Severance.
Liv DAWG (51:02)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Walter Lyle (51:14)
That's how I feel about it.
Yeah, there's just my main complaint is that but the main one is that like It just felt like they're just throwing a bunch of weird stuff in there to to make people be like, whoa. What's that about?
Black Bag (51:41)
Well, and they, they did like, went way over budget. They reshot a ton of it. Yeah. And that, that's why I'm like, I don't know who knows what happened. Like it may have been worse. It may have been more cogent. Like they may have had more.
Walter Lyle (51:47)
Really?
Liv DAWG (51:48)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (51:58)
answers to some of the big questions or they may have been forced to drag it out for season three or whatever.
Walter Lyle (52:04)
Mm-hmm
It feels like it was like kind of like a Jordan Peele approach of like It's not we're not really here for the like the realistic parts of it. We're more here just for the philosophical discussion You know, think about like us or get out or nope, like it was like, okay This is all pretty out of scope of like what could ever actually ever really happen in real life but that's fine because like
Liv DAWG (52:21)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (52:31)
The whole production is very well made and the story is super tight. The character is really compelling and it's more about the questions that it raises and the discussions that you can have around whatever philosophy it is that Jordan Peele has brought up here. But for me, least like, kind of like the whole second half of season two felt less like a Jordan Peele movie and more like Don't Worry Darling, where you're like.
Liv DAWG (52:41)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (52:57)
You're not Jordan Peele though. Like it's like you're not pulling this off and they're in and I'm trying to figure out why and the main reason is like you put it Isaac is like why should I care about any of this? Because it's like it's just being weird for the sake of being weird and like there's so many things that just like don't really go anywhere.
Liv DAWG (53:01)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (53:02)
We'll end-
And I loved in season one, like season one was funny. Like it was weird and dark and sad at some points, but it was like funny because it's like they're satirizing office culture and like everybody has had a terrible desk job like that at some point. And it was funny and weird. I mean.
Walter Lyle (53:20)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Liv DAWG (53:34)
Not me, not my world.
Just kidding. really know. I mean, I get what you're saying. Yes. Yeah. Like...
Black Bag (53:42)
Right, yeah, yeah. Or like,
what I meant to say was like, every job is like that at some point. Where you're just like, this is all bullshit.
Liv DAWG (53:47)
Well, and like also like,
Walter Lyle (53:47)
Mm-hmm.
Liv DAWG (53:50)
and like every job, especially a big corporation is gonna make you like try to buy into the culture of it, right? And make you feel like, this is family. And it's like, okay, we're not, this is a job.
Walter Lyle (53:59)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (54:00)
Yep.
Yep. So, anyway, I want to say a couple things about White Lotus. The first thing is this.
Walter Lyle (54:01)
Yeah. Yeah. No, I, yeah, I agree.
Black Bag (54:12)
Piper, no! Do they have good values? We flew over the North Pole. That's Parker Posey, my impression of Parker Posey. She's the best character in season three of The White Lotus. It's so good, that's all I have to say. We're about to run over, so.
Liv DAWG (54:25)
Yeah, no, I did know that.
Walter Lyle (54:26)
Nice.
We've been over for a little bit. I did really enjoy the first season of White Lotus and there's not really a particular reason that I haven't watched the rest of it yet, but I really like what the whole show is about. I love the setup. I love the social commentary within a dark comedy. I think is a great setup in general. So yeah, I'll watch it eventually.
Liv DAWG (54:55)
Mm-hmm.
Walter Lyle (55:04)
I'm a fan of what they're doing.
Black Bag (55:04)
What'd you think about the
end of season two, Olivia? Because you just finished it recently, right?
Liv DAWG (55:08)
I
did just finish season two. I really liked it. I don't know. I don't know which season I like more. Maybe season two. They're trying to kill me. I was looking forward to that that particular scene the whole time. I didn't realize it was in like the very last episode. I thought it was really good. Everyone, of course, sucks in their own special way, which is super fun. And
Black Bag (55:15)
Help these gays, they're trying to kill me!
you
Liv DAWG (55:38)
I, yeah, Jennifer Coolidge, I'm really glad that she got to be a part of that show for two seasons. And I know it helped kind of revitalize her career, which I think she's so funny. She's so good. And so I'm, yeah, I'm so glad that she got to be a part of that. and I would guess probably the same thing's gonna happen for Parker Posey, who I think is really funny and really good. But I bet after this season, she...
Walter Lyle (55:50)
She's incredible.
Black Bag (56:02)
Yeah, probably.
Liv DAWG (56:07)
she gets offered a lot more things, which is great. So.
Black Bag (56:12)
our queen. Okay, that was our five things. Black Bag, Death of a Unicorn, Opus, Severance Season Two, and White Lotus Season Three, and White Lotus in general. Olivia, I put three things up. I wanted to leave space for a couple things for you, just things to be ready for. So we'll be really quick here. Havoc is the action movie from
Liv DAWG (56:14)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (56:40)
Gareth Evans starring Tom Hardy that's coming at the end of this month, April 25th on Netflix. Should be pretty dope. And or season two, which I think we're all like, let's fricking go like so excited. Looks like it's gonna be way more action packed that's starting on April 22nd. And the last of us season two is starting on April 13th, which is just a couple days from now.
Liv DAWG (56:54)
Mm-hmm.
Black Bag (57:10)
So is there anything you're looking forward to in kind of spring, summer, later summer?
Liv DAWG (57:10)
Mm-hmm.
I,
we've talked about Mission Impossible. I'm really excited about that. I'm, I don't know why I'm so excited for Thunderbolts, but I just am. I'm excited. I'm ready to be disappointed. I'm ready to be hurt again. No doubt about it. So no doubt about it. I am ready to be hurt again. So.
Black Bag (57:30)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. No doubt about it.
I'll
be surprised if it hurts us worse than Captain America Brave New World.
Liv DAWG (57:42)
Sure, yeah,
I would be surprised by that too. anyway.
Black Bag (57:45)
Yep.
Walter, anything you're looking forward to? Nope? Okay, cool. Let's wrap things up.
Walter Lyle (57:49)
Andor, Season 2.
Liv DAWG (57:52)
Don't care.
Walter Lyle (57:55)
I am actually looking forward to the next spoiler alert, but the next movie we're talking about, which we'll wait until we do the outro here.
Liv DAWG (58:01)
yes. Yes,
Black Bag (58:02)
Yep.
Cool. Thank you for listening. Thank you, Walter, for producing this episode and editing. You're amazing. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe on your respective podcatcher. our art is by Sean Cohen and our music is by cord and jocks. Our next episode, we are discussing one of the 25 most anticipated movies for fly over film country in the year 2025. It's sinners.
Walter Lyle (58:10)
We'll see if I will.
Hmm.
Black Bag (58:31)
from Ryan
Coogler starring Michael B. Jordan, Hailee Steinfeld, which has been described as scary, sexy, gory, and horny. And I think we're all pretty stoked for that.
Walter Lyle (58:35)
Two of my favorites.
Put that on my
Liv DAWG (58:45)
thought
Walter Lyle (58:45)
tombstone.
Liv DAWG (58:45)
you were gonna say, I thought you were gonna say, think we're all of those things.
Black Bag (58:50)
I think we are all
of those things.
Walter Lyle (58:53)
I've been described by all those words at different times in my life.
Liv DAWG (58:57)
For sure, for sure.
Black Bag (58:57)
think I'm starting
to have a pretty good time at this movie.
So we will catch you all on the flippity flip. Y'all have a blessed evening.
Liv DAWG (59:04)
my gosh.
Black Bag (59:23)
nice!