Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast

It’s NHL playoff time, but off the ice, the real matchups are happening between parents and coaches. Scott and Jamie talk team turnover, how to handle your kid’s role without losing your mind, and why smart communication can make or break a season.

They share an epic youth hockey story, offer hard-earned advice on managing expectations, and remind everyone: don’t ruin it for your kid. Plus, their Stanley Cup picks.

What is Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast?

A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.

Jamie:

We are back for episode six. Let's go. The Easter episode.

Scott:

Easter. Happy Easter, everybody. Happy Easter to everybody who celebrates Easter. Yo. And big shout out to the continued following of the Crazy Hockey Dads podcast.

Scott:

We got some some new states, new provinces.

Jamie:

It's pretty wild. I didn't think it was gonna I didn't think it was gonna start snowballing like this. But Hey, listen, we'll take it. So, yeah, like Scott said, so last time we added Kansas, Alabama, Connecticut, and Michigan for you Wolverines slash Spartans out there. This time we have Utah, Let's go.

Jamie:

Wyoming.

Scott:

Let's go.

Jamie:

And the state of Arizona, Austin Matthews.

Scott:

Let's go. Right? Absolutely.

Jamie:

And I didn't tell you about this, but I'm going to tell you right now.

Scott:

Please.

Jamie:

We actually went across the pond.

Scott:

No. We did. Can you guess? Can I guess? Yes, I can guess.

Jamie:

Go ahead. I'll give you one or two guesses and then I'll tell you.

Scott:

Sweden.

Jamie:

Nope. God, take two more. Germany. Nope. You're not going to get it.

Jamie:

It's a tough one. I'm not going lie. It's actually a tough one. Like I, when I saw it this morning, was shocked.

Scott:

Is it a hockey? Is it a notable hockey issue?

Jamie:

Don't think so. If they, if they play hockey there, it's new to me. Greece. No. We are in Istanbul, Turkey.

Scott:

Oh, sweet.

Jamie:

Yeah. That's cool. I guess they play ice hockey in Turkey?

Scott:

Why not? Suppose. The Demodov who just came over the, from the, from Russia to Canadians. Yeah. Apparently his flight was one of the most tracked flights the other night.

Scott:

And I think he flew on Turkish airlines,

Jamie:

but he's not Turkish. He's no, he's Russian. Yeah.

Scott:

Right. Anyway, but Turkey, let's go.

Jamie:

Istanbul, Turkey. Isn't that Listen. So again, thank you to everybody for downloading and subscribing. This is going a lot faster than we ever anticipated.

Scott:

We appreciate all of you.

Jamie:

Yes. And the goal is to get to, so, so our, our, our initial goal is all 50 States and all 10 Canadian provinces, right? Ten, twelve.

Scott:

No, I don't know.

Jamie:

Pretty sure there's 10.

Scott:

Yeah, it could be.

Jamie:

Yeah, think there's 10.

Scott:

I don't know.

Jamie:

If I'm not right in that, my Canadian brethren, sorry. I'm pretty sure there's 10. I wanna say 10. If there's 12, I apologize ahead of time. Either way,

Scott:

want all of them.

Jamie:

Yes. We want all of them. We're in four now. We're in four. We added British Columbia this time.

Jamie:

Yeah. So we added, three States, British Columbia up in Canada and Istanbul, Turkey. Go figure. All

Scott:

right. Love it.

Jamie:

Yeah. Love it. Yeah. So that's that. And again, happy Easter to everybody.

Jamie:

Please share the show, download, tell your friends.

Scott:

Subscribe. All that good

Jamie:

stuff. Yes. We really appreciate it. Cause we actually really enjoy doing this, which is. It's a lot of fun, man.

Jamie:

I enjoy this

Scott:

a %. Yeah. And it's good to hang out with you.

Jamie:

Yes. Hey, listen, I appreciate that. Likewise.

Scott:

You're

Jamie:

welcome. Very good. All right. So let's get, so you can probably speak on this topic better than I can, or, or you come at it from a different perspective, which is actually pretty good.

Scott:

Fair.

Jamie:

So, you know, you and I were chatting before about, you know, well, new beginnings kind of, you know, because spring hockey is starting up again. Dominic has practiced on Monday. I'm assuming you probably have practiced coming up this next week.

Scott:

We've got practiced the, no, actually not this week. The following week is our first, well, had a spring practice. So we had our parody event a couple of weeks ago. So they snuck in practice before that.

Jamie:

To get the kids on the ice together.

Scott:

So that our one, that was our first practice. And then we have three more lined up for the spring. Okay. And that's coming up, not this week, but the following, I'm assuming probably because a lot of the older groups have parody and they're going ice time.

Jamie:

I think you're a % right because we have our parody event coming up the first weekend in May. So we're getting on the ice Monday and every Monday, until, you know, until our parody, which is cool, which I think you're right. I think it was supposed to be the following week, but I think they stuck one in there just to get the kids on the ice together.

Scott:

Yeah. So we've got a few coming up.

Jamie:

Yeah. So the new beginnings are interesting. You know, we have, we have like seven new families, you know,

Scott:

for sure. I mean, the, the team that that auto's on it's it's I think there's maybe four, four kids that came back from last season.

Jamie:

Oh, wow. So you guys have a lot of new faces.

Scott:

Yeah. But let's, let's also remember that last year, similar to your situation, the team was a single A team, now it's AA. Once they absorbed the other organization, had a AA team, so those kids are now in the building. So there was a bunch of kids that were already playing AA and now we're on 11 UAA. Okay.

Scott:

So

Jamie:

you guys have a whole new squad.

Scott:

A whole new squad.

Jamie:

Okay. So there's four kids left over from last year. Did I hear you right?

Scott:

I think that's what it is. I could be wrong, but it's about that. The majority of the team is new.

Jamie:

It's not uncommon for youth hockey teams to turn over like 50% every year. Right. Is that high?

Scott:

You said that, but I think it was that maybe

Jamie:

it's 30% normally. I mean, from what I remember the so

Scott:

listen, the last

Jamie:

I maybe I'm off on my numbers, but you know,

Scott:

obviously it depends on every situation. I, that sounds high to me, but I could be wrong too.

Jamie:

I know. Normally like normally I feel like every season, like six or seven kids turn over. Listen on the super elite teams, it's probably one or two.

Scott:

Well, maybe that's maybe that's where my head's at because it was a high, but even still, I don't even know why Anyway, that's probably not even the such an

Jamie:

important, but, but what's interesting is that there's all these new faces, you know, it's funny when you go on to like team snap and all the new parents start writing.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

It's just, it's interesting.

Scott:

No, that's what I have now going on with the same thing.

Jamie:

It's when the new parents kind

Scott:

learning personalities.

Jamie:

Yes. Exactly. One parent was asking about like warmups, like the new parents. She's like, Oh, I love warmups. My other parents, yeah, we don't use them.

Scott:

Oh, like as in the clothing?

Jamie:

Well, just in general, just like, but like you said, you start, you start learning new, you know, you start learning how everybody is, you know?

Scott:

But especially if they're coming from a different organization with different protocols, different. So last season, it wasn't scheduled, but we did have the kids. I wasn't the coach, but the coach would have the kids dress up for some home games, like in shirt and tie.

Jamie:

I like that by the way, big fan.

Scott:

Yeah. No, I know you said Dom does that regularly.

Jamie:

Love it. Because our rockets coach had us do that and I love it.

Scott:

So we did it, you know? Yeah. Speaking of warmups that, yeah, we don't have to wear warmups either this season, but yeah, I mean, are sensible questions to ask. Oh, listen, of course. What I was gonna say

Jamie:

It was just funny. Like you said, you learn personalities.

Scott:

Well, I mean, yes. And there's plenty of learnings to Yes. And yes. But I was going to say that part of this is about managing expectations. Yes.

Scott:

Good segue. Even to your point about a parent asking that, if I was coaching, I would have made that pretty clear, right after the team was built, the team was picked, the team was whatever, send out, Hey, welcome parents, welcome to the new team, I'm the coach, We're gonna have a parent meeting. We're gonna go over a whole bunch of things, including X, Y, and Z, and take care of that sooner than later.

Jamie:

My guess that's coming Monday night before the first practice. Tomorrow night. Today's Easter Sunday. It's tomorrow. It's gonna be tomorrow night.

Jamie:

That's my guess is that's gonna be tomorrow before practice.

Scott:

But has that been, but you're guessing?

Jamie:

I'm guessing.

Scott:

That's my point.

Jamie:

There's nothing on the schedule. Yeah. I'm guessing a % guessing.

Scott:

That was like when we went to our parody event, like we didn't have an idea about jerseys.

Jamie:

Right. Right. Right. No, listen, communication is huge.

Scott:

And that's a big part of these new beginnings and helping manage expectations. It's about communication and managing expectations. And I think everyone's got a voice in this whole thing. And a lot like, as we were even talking about last week about like the cheering and the jeering and the hollering and the yelling and the inappropriateness of parents. From parents.

Scott:

From parents in the stands to the kids and the refs and the coaches on the ice and the bench. Like a large part of this is about delivery and how you communicate. Not necessarily the content because I think everyone's most of the time has a valid perspective, but how are you communicating it?

Jamie:

Yes.

Scott:

You know? And I think what you're saying now with parody coming up. So tell me what, what are, what if anything has been communicated to you this season?

Jamie:

Just like a text, one text between like, you know, all, all of the new parents and the old parents, saying that we have a parody event coming up first weekend in may. You know, trying to get some stuff changed around because one family has a major conflict, like major conflict on, on the Sunday. So it's Saturday or Sunday, and the schedule's not out yet. So we don't even know where it's going to be. I don't if it's going be down to like South Jersey.

Jamie:

It's going be in Philly. If it's going to be out like a revolution ice,

Scott:

but it should probably be on the rinks website, not the

Jamie:

It's not on the AHF yet. It's not there yet. We keep looking, but it's not there yet.

Scott:

Interesting.

Jamie:

Yours was there early, but ours is for whatever reason, older birth years is not there yet. So I'm assuming it's gonna be there soon. Yeah. But, you know, so I think, I think he's waiting to see where it is and what times the games are. Cause one of our goalies like is cannot come that weekend.

Jamie:

Like he has something he cannot miss Saturday and Sunday.

Scott:

So do you think that the coach or the organization is going to try to accommodate one player?

Jamie:

No, no, I don't. But you're just pointing out

Scott:

that he's got

Jamie:

this one

Scott:

person for sure is if it's on Sunday, they're

Jamie:

out. So the thing is that the one kid has an event and the problem is that all of our old team is invited to it. So yeah, kid, the kids bar mitzvahs on Sunday. So Saturday and Sunday, Saturday, he's, I guess he's doing the thing Saturday and the party is Sunday at like four in

Scott:

the afternoon. Oh, and how much turnover do you have on your team?

Jamie:

I would say like seven new kids. So what's funky?

Scott:

Sorry to interrupt. But this kid with the bar mitzvah who can't make it.

Jamie:

He was our goalie from last year.

Scott:

So he, okay. So he knows at least the majority of

Jamie:

the What's interesting is that, what's interesting is that, so he invited everybody last year before tryouts. So our old team, the entire team is invited and the coach.

Scott:

Oh, got you.

Jamie:

The coach is coming

Scott:

to annoying.

Jamie:

It's going to be interesting. That's for sure. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. That's going to be, that's going to be interesting. So, so w so the entire team is invited to his party on, on, I think it's at like a, it's at like, like a Humdinger's types, which most of you don't know what it is. It's like an arcade bowling alley batting cage. Like it's going to be there at the party, you know, Sunday evening, or I think it's like late Sunday afternoon.

Jamie:

So our whole team and our kids that are not, are not on our team anymore are invited. So that's going to be interesting too.

Scott:

I hope it works out. Me

Jamie:

too. I'm sure. I'm sure it will.

Scott:

I'm the parents. I'm annoyed.

Jamie:

They'll figure it out.

Scott:

If I'm the parents, I'm probably a little stressed.

Jamie:

Of the, of the kid?

Scott:

Just generally.

Jamie:

Listen, maybe he might be right. Listen, I'm sure it'd be fine, but it was just that a funky situation, like a sticky situation.

Scott:

Right. So you had, so just, you said one text message about a parody event that's coming up still TBD. Yes. But was there anything like, Hey guys, I'm coach so and so.

Jamie:

No, because most of us know him. Right. Like I said, there's six or seven new families. So, but I don't think there was a, again, I think that's coming before the first practice. I would think, you know, cause he's pretty good about community.

Jamie:

I will say that our coach is really good about community, like really good.

Scott:

That's excellent.

Jamie:

Very good about communicating. Like he's one of the better ones that I've come across.

Scott:

Because, you know, it's interesting for

Jamie:

Like almost to a fault communicating. Right.

Scott:

Yeah. Well, in any situation where there is a leader, coach, boss, CEO, teacher, like fill in the blank. Yeah. Authority figure. Communicate if you're responsible for a group of people, being a good communicator is really important.

Jamie:

No question. And he's very good.

Scott:

So that's awesome. Like a big.

Jamie:

Yeah. I know leaning up to tryouts and stuff like that. He was like brutally honest with people, which listen, I appreciate because, you know, if you're in a spot where you need to go find another home, you know, he's, he's pretty honest about that. Like what? And so was our last

Scott:

coach too, for the Rockets. He was also great

Jamie:

with that. Yeah. And he would say things like, you know, You know, I, he needs to go find a place to play.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Like, why am I wasting time? Which I listen, you might not like how, what he's saying to you, but he's doing it for the benefit of your kid. Whether you like it or not.

Scott:

Yeah. And to that end, talked to a few parents and I heard some stories where they didn't find out until last minute whether it was right before tryouts or even, okay, like during tryouts is a different story. But like leading up to tryouts, if I'm a coach and I'm trying to recruit new kids to the team and I got some fringe players and I'm not giving them my honest feedback because I don't know if I'm going to get anyone to show up to tryouts, you're stringing them along. And I understand that from a coach's perspective, from a parent's perspective, want to know as soon as possible. And from a coach's perspective, you want to make sure you feel the best team possible.

Scott:

And that may or may not include a fringe player depending on who you bring in. So I can understand it both ways for sure. And ultimately, as far as a coach is concerned, their job is to get kids, recruit them, bring them to tryouts, field the best team possible. Like, I guess the good question is do coaches owe parents, what do they owe them leading up to tryouts in your opinion?

Jamie:

So I think honesty is important. I think, you know, you know, I can just speak for our coach this year just because it's fresh in my head. But I know that there were, there was a kid on, on our team this past season. And he said to the mom, listen, I'm saying no to kids that, you know, are not as strong as your child. You know, so that, I mean, how as a parent, listen, you may not like what he's saying, but as a parent it's.

Jamie:

He's being honest,

Scott:

right.

Jamie:

Which I think is important in this game because I think, you know, it's, I'm sure it's easy to not be honest. Right. And to just kind of string people along and say, come to tryouts, see how you do. And listen, I'm sure that goes on too, with some kids who are fringe players like you were talking about, you know, but if you listen, I also think a lot of coaches give assurances to kids, you know, they give them spots. Right.

Jamie:

Don't you think that happens?

Scott:

Oh, without a doubt it happens.

Jamie:

Yeah. A lot of these teams are picked before, you know, months before even the pre tryout stuff.

Scott:

So let me ask you this. If Do you think if a coach were to give us, you know, gives assurances to the kids that he definitely wants back and then for kids he's unsure of or might be replaced depending on if they can get others, Don't give them an assurance. Do you think that's enough of a signal or do you think a coach needs to say, Hey, listen, Bob, your son is on the fringe. Honestly, if another player shows up that's better than him, I'm going to take him over your son. Right.

Scott:

You know, if, you know, I love your kid. We'd love to continue to develop and work with him. But, you know, so that conversation, you know, it basically, if I'm a parent, like then you have to say to yourself, okay, am I, am I going to roll the dice on this?

Jamie:

Yes. You have to make a choice. Listen, you want to do what's best for your child, right?

Scott:

Absolutely. But I guess what really driving from like, you know, you as a parent and what your expectations are from a coach. I mean, I can speak to it from a coach's perspective since I did it for a few years, but just from you as a parent, do you think that a coach needs, like how honest does a coach need to be in your opinion?

Jamie:

Well, so I don't know how you measure like the level of honesty, right? Okay. Well, saying,

Scott:

being direct and saying like, someone better shows up, your kid's not on the team or I can't give you any assurances.

Jamie:

Yeah. Listen again, that's pretty direct.

Scott:

No, that's very direct. But what if I just, what if I said, you know, I just, I can't give you any assurances.

Jamie:

You know, unfortunately I think some parents need to read between the lines too. Right. You know, because again, you want to do what's best for your kid. And if your kid's not going to make that team, you need to have a backup plan.

Scott:

Absolutely. Right. So yeah, go ahead.

Jamie:

No, no, I was just gonna say, and I think some parents also think that they need to sign. And I'm curious of your thoughts on this. I think some parents think that they need to sign when the contracts are put out, you know, and you tell me if I'm wrong about this, because I don't want, I don't want to mislead people, but you know, if you, if you, I don't wanna say hold out, like, like you're a free agent in like baseball, you know, but if you don't sign in March or April. Okay.

Scott:

Like with any club,

Jamie:

any club. Don't you think you could find a home between like that time and say August?

Scott:

I think you can find a home without a doubt, but it just depends on the quality of that home.

Jamie:

You know, maybe I'm wrong about this, but I know that I know some coaches, they hold spots open for like the spring summertime, maybe not spots, spot. Right? Like I know we took a ten, five and two this past. This past, tryout.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

So there's a spot, there's a defensive spot, right? There's a spot. So if somebody were to call and say, Hey, listen, you know, we tried it out here, here, here, and here, and it didn't work out, you know, can, you know, do you mind if my kid comes and skates for you?

Scott:

But ten, five and two, but then you could, I mean, what you're not going to have, they could, but the coach could also have one forward always play D.

Jamie:

Yeah. But I don't think he wants to because our kids are going to start hitting. And I think he, he, he, he took the tenth forward to develop him, which I give him credit for. He, he didn't, he, he took one of our kids from last year. He took it as the tenth forward.

Jamie:

Cause he likes the kid, likes the parents and wants to develop him.

Scott:

And that's great.

Jamie:

And I'm pretty sure the communication we're talking about communication. I'm pretty sure the communication was something to the effect of, you know, you know, you know, he needs to train in the off season. You know, but you know, we like him, he's a smart kid, you know, let's see if we can actually develop him, you know, and listen, the kid has a chance now, you know? You know, so I, you know, I give our coach a lot of credit because I think he communicated that very, very bluntly to the parent. That's great.

Jamie:

He's good like that.

Scott:

So I personally, I don't think, I think the coach has an obligation both to the families and the organization that employs them. I think, you know, beholden to the organization and their priority is to field the best team possible. And if part of that, I mean, it's not easy, but I don't think a coach needs to tell every player, parent, family exactly where they stand before tryouts. Because the truth is the coach doesn't have a full picture until people actually show up. There's plenty of people that sign up for tryouts at different locations And then don't show up.

Jamie:

You're

Scott:

right. Like, that's the thing too. You can't count on anything until you see what's on the ice.

Jamie:

No, you're not wrong.

Scott:

And if you think you have assurances from a family and then they bail on you and then you already cut like three kids, you know, you told them straight up, like, I don't have a spot for you or you were made it pretty clear that if anyone else shows up, your kid's not on the team. If I'm a parent, I'm definitely gonna figure out my plan B if not make the current organization my plan B and go find my plan A. So I think that it's important as a coach to communicate at the end of the season. You can give like an after season review if you wanted to just say, Hey, listen, this is Johnny still needs to work on this, that and the next. Is what you should do for the spring summer going into next season.

Scott:

Saying like giving assurances to the kids you want on the team, don't know that a coach necessarily owes it to a family to say definitively yes or no, you're on the team.

Jamie:

Okay. So let's look at it from the other perspective now, because I know a lot of parents, matter of fact, our building, there's a new team being put together. Right. And a bunch of parents were doing like pre skates for this new team. Yeah.

Jamie:

And a lot of them, I don't want to say, I said, I'm going speak for them, but I don't want to say that they said, they told the coach they were coming and then not many of them wound up coming.

Scott:

Mean, that happens all over the place. And as a, as a, as a parent too, you're, you're in like a kind of similar situation where you might have conversations with a few different orgs that are saying, Hey, we're interested in your kid, but how much stock can you really put into some of those conversations?

Jamie:

Yeah. So I guess the question is, is on both sides, and on the coaching side, you know, what level of truthfulness or what level of it's tough.

Scott:

I think unless the coach is telling you you're definitely on the team. Different story. Right. So then, you know, right? Unless the coach is telling you that, then you have to go into it thinking that it might not work out.

Jamie:

Yes. And if you're going to

Scott:

show up to the team with the coach, who's not giving you an assurance, you're taking a risk. You're taking a risk.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. No, listen, it's it's a crazy time of the year,

Scott:

but isn't that why they call it tryouts?

Jamie:

Yes. And again, even if you don't, and I guess they have a couple nights of tryouts for that reason. Right. Right. If you don't have all, but I know kids that got contracts on nights two and three though, you know?

Jamie:

So what do you do if you want one team? If you're a parent, your kid, your kid wants to be on this team, but there's no assurance from the coach that you're going to be a pick that you're going be picked for it. You know, do you go to all three nights of tryouts or do you try another place? It's tough, dude. That's hard.

Scott:

Look, I don't think it's unreasonable for a parent. Say they're at building a and that's where they want to be. Makes the most sense to

Jamie:

go to all three nights.

Scott:

Well, I think after

Jamie:

maybe after night two, go, Hey, listen, like I need to, but again, that, that the parent has to have a plan B. Right. Just like the coach has to have a plan B,

Scott:

Right. But like those scenarios where like you're going to tryouts and you're hoping to make the team and you're not getting any feedback from, when I say feedback, what I mean is like after the first night, a parent could ask the organization, Hey, where does my kid stand? Does it look good?

Jamie:

Yes.

Scott:

You could even ask a parent and say, I'm not asking you to tell me definitively.

Jamie:

Give me an idea where my kid you give

Scott:

an indication? Does this look promising? If not, like, you know.

Jamie:

Remember the story I told you about what color penny was he wearing? He's like, can you get a penny? Yeah. That's not good.

Scott:

That's not good.

Jamie:

Good buddy. Put your shit back in the car. I was like, where else you looking? Here in the stars. Stars, Go there.

Jamie:

I have to find the Instagram video and send it to you. Good buddy. Get your shit back in the car.

Scott:

Yeah. So look, I don't think, I don't think a coach owes a family anything more than

Jamie:

Honesty? The honesty that he can give maybe?

Scott:

Yeah, don't think as a coach, if you're a player that's on the fringe, you're not giving an assurance to. I just think that that's where it stops. Then the coach puts the ball in the parents' court for them to make a decision. And then obviously the coach, by not giving an assurance, they're running the risk of that kid not coming back. At the same time, I think it's pretty shitty to mislead someone and say, oh no, you're on the team only to cut them.

Jamie:

Listen, I'm sure that happens all the time. And then Matter of fact, I know a good friend of mine happened to him last year.

Scott:

I know that it just happened to also.

Jamie:

Yeah. It's a shame because now, especially if those parents don't have a plan B that's a problem now that parents scrambling and that parent, you know, needs to find a home for his kid. And again, listen, I think you can sign after the fact.

Scott:

And that comes back to what you

Jamie:

were There are spots, especially if your kid can play there's spots.

Scott:

There are. We had that last season, we had a family that relocated from Canada to The States after tryouts and we took them. Again, not my decision. The coach in the organization took them and it was one more player than we wanted to roster, I think. Or yeah, it must have been because we would have we would have thrown that So we, you know, they took an additional player.

Jamie:

I think that happens that holdover spot that people hold over where you can, or you don't have to take a kid.

Scott:

Yeah. But look, I don't think so you have until this at least around here, I don't know if this is a nationwide thing or USA hockey thing, but you have until what, like December, December something to

Jamie:

sign. To sign, to be on a USA hockey roster. Correct. Right. Right.

Jamie:

So you're right. So it's not even August. August just when the season starts, but you're right. You have till December to actually find a home.

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

And I know somebody who actually did that. Well, they were released from one organization, in like November started playing with. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

That doesn't sound like a good situation.

Jamie:

It wasn't, it wasn't a good situation. Yeah, no. And I'm shocked that they got released because this place actually, you know what? Now that I think about it, they didn't get released. What happened was is this dad paid the full tuition.

Jamie:

Okay. And this organization is notorious for not releasing kids from their contract. But what he did was is he went and played in Connecticut, which is a different district. And if I'm not mistaken, you can at least around here, you can play for two teams in two separate districts. So North Jersey's district, he went over the border into, into Connecticut.

Jamie:

So he played for a Connecticut team.

Scott:

But when you say district and, but is that,

Jamie:

want to say that there's districts cut up with, from USA hockey in our area, but I'm pretty sure that Connecticut is a different district

Scott:

from where we Oh, so if you leave, clearly you can't be double rostered. You're not talking about double rostering.

Jamie:

I'm pretty sure you can be. What? I'm pretty sure you can be double rostered. I'm pretty sure you can be double roster.

Scott:

On these two USA, USA hockey registered teams.

Jamie:

This kid was, I think, again, we need to look into it, but this kid was not, he was given a financial release from this organization, but not a release release. So he was on this one team in Jersey and another team in Connecticut. And he was there before, before that, that December deadline, whatever it is. Oh, so again, I wish we should look into it, but I'm pretty sure that's how it played out.

Scott:

Wow.

Jamie:

Yeah. Cause you, cause again, different district. I think you could be on two different rosters.

Scott:

Well, either way, either, either way, the, what we're ultimately saying is that look, it's certainly not ideal to like go into the beginning of the fall winter season without a team. But we're basically saying that are, you can find a home if you need to find a home. I mean, look, families move based on parents' jobs, a kid needs to find a new team. Of course that kind of thing happens. But most people, most places, most of the time are gonna want to be on a team post tryouts, be with that team in the spring

Jamie:

to create, you know, some chemistry and yes. To make for you're, you're absolutely right.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

You know? But yeah, you can find a spot. I guess that's what we're boiling down to here. Right. You know, but listen, it's an interesting conversation, but you know, cause you have one, you know, you have the parent angle and then you have the coach and the organization angle, you know, and obviously they're all trying to do what's best.

Jamie:

The coach is trying to the best for his team and the organization. The parents trying to do the best for their kid. Right. You know, so it's, and listen, the level of honesty, you know, is a thing.

Scott:

And there also has to be some level of like pragmatism here as a parent and understanding like where your kid is on the team. Yes. You know, and I think that's,

Jamie:

a little bit of like introspection about where your kid is.

Scott:

Yeah. Like if you know your kid's a fringe player

Jamie:

and you don't have

Scott:

an insurance,

Jamie:

just in case you would think so.

Scott:

So, and then if you're not a fringe player, probably have an insurance.

Jamie:

Yes.

Scott:

Yeah. I mean, like it's

Jamie:

such a tough, I both sides of the coin.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

You know, I did. And listen, you were a coach. So you see it from that side of the coin, you know, so, and then you see it from the parent side of the coin.

Scott:

Look, as a coach, you want to make your team better. Right?

Jamie:

And

Scott:

for me, we definitely recruited kids and we definitely went out and we talked to parents and we had some skates and we tried to gauge interest level from families. We had some pretty talented kids on the ice that decided not to come join our team. I don't know that we had any real indication from those families until much, much, much closer to tryouts.

Jamie:

That they weren't coming.

Scott:

That they weren't coming. And then even, yeah. And so to that end, we were still able to have educated conversations going into tryouts. It's not like we had a family say, Oh, we're gonna, like a kid who were trying to get on the team, for example, like those parents didn't say, Yes, we're coming. And then not show up.

Scott:

Like that didn't happen. We, know, That's good at least. Towards the end of the season, we were on the ice, we had some, you know, new kids there and, you know, then that's when parents start talking and they see other kids walking the, oh, who's this? Are they good?

Jamie:

Oh, yes. Do they ever, everybody's sizing everybody up.

Scott:

Everyone's sizing everybody up. But no, we wanted to make the team better. Then so look, in terms of that turnover you were talking about, and maybe this is why I felt like a little taken by the larger percentages, but the turnover has everything to do with who's coming in the building. And so to have, I don't know, seven new kids walk in that are better than seven existing kids on your team, that didn't happen for me. I'm not saying it doesn't happen because it does.

Scott:

But for me that didn't happen. Like maybe there was like, we'd have like one, two, three, three kids that were looking to join the team and you look at your bottom three and you say, okay, are these three new kids better than the kids? You know? And so that's kind of how it went for me.

Jamie:

Yeah. I mean, listen, our team was on the ascend this year, right? We made a lot of noise. And all of a sudden there was a lot of interest, which was great. You know, a couple other teams fell apart, know, a couple other double A teams in the area fell apart.

Jamie:

So it was kind of, I'll say easy, but we played that team like five times during the season. And, you know, the parents on the other team would remark about how our kids were like, always like raw raw on the bench and how they were all like, you know, they saw the chemistry of our team. That opened the door, you know, to like a bunch of roster spots. It was, and I guess, so one team was kind of falling apart. One team was kind of clearly, you know, building for the future.

Jamie:

So it, that was a big part of kind of what they did this year.

Scott:

But you definitely had an interesting, I don't know if interesting is the right word, but you started off the season as a double A team.

Jamie:

We started off as a single A team.

Scott:

Oh, that's what I meant. Sorry, single A team. And then you happened to do very well.

Jamie:

We did all out of league games were all AA.

Scott:

Right. So you were already fixing to step up in terms of, you know, the compete level. Yes.

Jamie:

And we did very well, very well. Like we, I think we only lost like one or two games out of, out of our, out of our actual league against double a teams.

Scott:

Yeah. That's fantastic. Yeah. So, so you're, you're like, your team was clearly attractive when you're playing other teams that are local, you know, parents are looking like, wow, they're pretty good. I didn't see that coming.

Jamie:

Well, cause you have a single A team walking into the building, you think you're

Scott:

gonna run And

Jamie:

all of a sudden they put it on you.

Scott:

And they, right. So for any family, that's a double A on double A team that you're beating up on.

Jamie:

They go, oh shit. Oh, wow. Yes. Yes.

Scott:

Maybe that's where I want to be.

Jamie:

And again, that coach parent coach, again, team has kind of fallen apart. So it, it, it just worked out for us. Right. So, you know, three or four of the kids that they added were from that organization.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

You know, and then they add another goalie, which we didn't have willingly one goalie last year. They had another goalie and a couple of defensemen. But yeah, you know, so listen,

Scott:

so now you got a, you got a new core, you got your more than a new core. You got like a new half the team Yeah, it's a bunch of kids. You got parody coming up. There has not been much communication yet from the coach.

Jamie:

Not yet.

Scott:

But from your perspective, like everything, he's a good communicator.

Jamie:

Very.

Scott:

There's no red flags from your perspective. But let me ask you a question. You know the coach, you were there with him last So you know how he operates.

Jamie:

I do. If you're

Scott:

a new parent on the team, are you thinking to yourself, Hey, what's going on here? Or like, no, mean, Dom's older, his trials were later. My stuff happened earlier.

Jamie:

Right. I don't think so. Don't think so, Scott. I'm assuming he's going to address everything tomorrow. My guess is that they're going to get a text message or know, like a chat on, on team snap, something to the effect of like, you know, show up like an hour before practice tomorrow.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

That's what think you're going to get. Cause he did it last year.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

You know, so that's my guess. And he's going then that's when he sets expectations, which is a great segue into kind of this topic, you know, of expectations of kids, expectations of parents, right? Expectations from the coach, you know, and you could probably speak about that better. You know, you and I were talking, the other day about, we, which happened, I don't know how it came up, but that, that twenty four hour rule. Yeah.

Jamie:

You know, don't, don't talk to a coach after a game for twenty four hours so you can calm down so he can calm down. So things don't get heated. You know, because, you know, we had, a couple, I guess there's always a couple. Right. And I guess it starts out innocent and then sometimes it kind of gets out of hand, you know, but you have a lot of the parents that maybe are not, told, you know, about like playing time for their kid or all kids, you know?

Jamie:

You know, I know our coach last year during that, you know, before our first practice sat everybody down and said, Hey, listen, this is a competitive hockey team. The playing time is not going to be equal.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

You know?

Scott:

Well, fair and fair is not equal. No. And that is the truth. Anyone thinks that it should be rolling lines constantly, sorely mistaken. Yes.

Scott:

Well, I say that very like heavy handedly. There's definitely situations

Jamie:

out where it depends on the skill level. If you have a big gap from the top kid to the bottom kid, it's you can't roll lines like you would want to. When you have a less, and you tell me if I'm wrong, a lesser gap between top and bottom, you can roll lines. Right. Would you agree?

Scott:

Absolutely. And I think like last season I give our coach a lot of credit. I think he was very, very fair with playing time and me having coached like the three years before, I probably wouldn't have been as generous I thought he And I give him tonnes of credit for that. All right. But before we go down there, we're just going back to the managing the expectations piece.

Scott:

So you're expecting a text message maybe, but you think that there's probably gonna be a parent meeting before practice. And at which point there'll be several things addressed, including playing time. What other things would you expect to come up, in the meeting?

Jamie:

He's probably going to want people, you know, to make sure the kid gets to practice. Like you mentioned last time, you know, you know, on time is early. Right on time is not on time on time is early. Right. You know, if you're on time, you're late.

Jamie:

Right. If you're early, you're on time. So I'm guessing he's going go down that road. He's probably the playing time is going to be big because he did it last year. So I remember that vividly.

Jamie:

You know, I think he's going to, I think he's going to try to set expectations for all the kids. You know, and listen, it's more for, obviously, you know, it's for the parents, you know, so they can figure out where their kid and what's going happen with their kid when we start playing. Right. Yeah. That's essentially, but you know, playing time, I think is going to be the number one topic.

Jamie:

That's my guess.

Scott:

That should be approached. Attendance. We talked about attendance. Practice attendance. I was surprised there were some kids last season that were not at a lot of practices and I was kind of not kind of I was surprised.

Scott:

And then on the other end of that, it's like you have kids that aren't as at practice so much and then they're getting It doesn't have to be like an eye for an eye, I think there is something to be said about kids that are putting in all the practice time. Then there are other kids that are showing up less often, but getting just as much, like being treated just as equally. Maybe I'm going down something that is a little subjective or is subjective.

Jamie:

No, don't think you are.

Scott:

I think that certainly as the kids get older, attendance, at least for me, would be an important part of playing time.

Jamie:

Especially as kids get older. Behavior. That's huge.

Scott:

What I'm going to do as a coach. Yeah. If things start to go sideways.

Jamie:

To get out of hand. I don't think he touched on that last year. He had a pretty good crew last year and I think he knew that. And so it's funny. It's funny you mentioned that.

Jamie:

Listen, something like that. I don't say always arises, but does arise.

Scott:

But you should at least, I mean,

Jamie:

no, you're right. It should be touched on.

Scott:

You never know what the future's going to hold. You need to set those expectations.

Jamie:

No, you're not wrong. In my opinion. I don't think that was chatted about last year. The maybe it wasn't. And I just don't remember it.

Jamie:

Maybe it was, but it's funny you mentioned, you know, we're talking about managing expectations from the coach, from the, from the parent standpoint. You know, we had a, we had a kid last year. We had a couple of kids last year that were playing soccer.

Scott:

Same.

Jamie:

Right. And, and, you know, I don't know about you, but I don't take vacations during hockey season. Do. A lot of parents do, which is fine, you know, but like when your, when your kid comes back, what happens? I've seen kids sit a period when they come back.

Jamie:

I've seen kids, I've seen kids go miss an entire week of practice and then be the starting goalie in net.

Scott:

Oh, well, you know, so despite what I just, you know, what I was saying about kids missing practice, I think that deserves a little bit of clarity going in. This is part of communication and managing expectations. If I have a family that tells me, Hey, listen, this is my vacation schedule, but I'm not going to be here on these days. You need to know that coach going into the season for whatever reason. And look, it doesn't have to be like something that's like a vacation.

Scott:

That's just leisure. There could be weddings. There could be whatever it is. But if those community, if that's communicated,

Jamie:

weddings are in Okay.

Scott:

But they're still not there.

Jamie:

Okay. All right.

Scott:

So does the, I think does the why matter?

Jamie:

Dude, I remember when I was, I remember when I was in high school, like my parents went to Florida for the winter break and I, I slept at your house. Actually. I slept at your house because I, I, I wasn't going to miss basketball practice. You remember that? Yeah.

Jamie:

When my parents went to Florida, I stayed at your house for the week and I went back and forth to basketball practice because we had practiced the entire

Scott:

week. Right. So, okay. But that's a different story. You're already in high school and blah, blah, blah.

Scott:

But what I'm saying is I don't know that the why necessarily matters. I think it has to do with the communication. And if you have a kid that's just okay, now we're in season and can't come to practice tonight, can't go to the game or whatever. Like this is a different story.

Jamie:

Yeah. Right? Or no? No, no, you're right. You're right.

Jamie:

It's it again, I don't know how you handle it. It's, you know, it's as a coach.

Scott:

Well, look, so for me it has to do with patterns of behavior. Cause you're making making a commitment to your team about being there. True. You know things in advance, you communicate that and then you're

Jamie:

not there.

Scott:

Course. But now we're in season. Right. And then, okay. So you have a commitment to your teammates.

Jamie:

And I'm not talking about being sick. We're talking about like actually like missing for For other things. Yeah.

Scott:

And if that's not communicated now, of a sudden, like you're kind of breaking your commitment to your team. Like, I don't know that that can necessarily, that shouldn't be swept under the rug.

Jamie:

What do you do if the kid misses a tournament?

Scott:

Whole weekend. Was that communicated in advance?

Jamie:

Probably not.

Scott:

It wasn't communicated in advance and now Johnny doesn't show up to the tournament.

Jamie:

I mean, it was probably communicated like a week, not far before the tournament, but even if it was six months before the tournament, do you do?

Scott:

Oh, so you tell me six months in advance. I don't know. I can, I can plan around that?

Jamie:

Listen, he wasn't there. We were short. We were short a player.

Scott:

Listen, I understand that, but this is also like, keep on saying with respect to other things, it's 10 year old, 11, 12 you're old hockey, these are not little professionals.

Jamie:

No, no, no, you're right.

Scott:

These kids deserve to go on vacations with their family, they

Jamie:

deserve to

Scott:

live normal lives.

Jamie:

Yeah, yeah,

Scott:

They may beholden. 100%. But for me, it comes down to the communication. Part of it has to do with timing also. But ultimately, if you're going to be a family that is not a great communicator, missing practice here and missing a game there, all of a sudden can't come to a tournament and it's a pattern of behavior that it just doesn't show any respect to the coach, the organization or your teammates.

Scott:

Then there's consequences

Jamie:

in my Yeah. No, no. Well said. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah.

Jamie:

Listen, it's a, it's a, it's a sticky topic. But it's an

Scott:

important one.

Jamie:

It is a very important one.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Yes. You're right. It's interesting that, that, that the person I'm mentioning that they, that missed the tournament, is not on our team anymore.

Scott:

And that's because the organization decided to pass or because

Jamie:

I think it put was clearly in a tough spot when we went away that weekend. And I just don't think the coach wanted to deal with the headache.

Scott:

So do you know if the,

Jamie:

which I don't blame him. No, I don't blame him. We talk about making, we talk about, you know, decisions and living with your decisions. Right. I mean, that was a decision, you know, to, you know, to not go that weekend.

Jamie:

Listen,

Scott:

but, but does that, does that family have, is the, is like another sport, their priority?

Jamie:

Maybe soccer is, maybe soccer is, is, is their priority, which is, which listen. And then, and if that's the case, then you know what? You don't worry about the hockey.

Scott:

Well, that's why auto stopped playing soccer.

Jamie:

But you probably should have been upfront with the coach. I don't know if they were, I have no idea. Right. But you should have been upfront with the coach ahead of time saying, Hey, listen, soccer is his number one priority, but he likes ice hockey. You know, so we'll be there when we can, but that needs to be communicated ahead of time.

Scott:

And and that's why Otto stopped playing, soccer. I'm sure he's lot of kids. The team that he was on because it was going from two days a week where the practice where the coach was like, absolutely, you know, just just come when you can. But then it became three days a week and we you gotta be there. And we're like, well, we're not.

Scott:

So this isn't going work.

Jamie:

Need to find something And when they do, you need to kind of be flexible and kind of, you know, bob

Scott:

and weave a little bit. Right. All right. So let's just go back. You started saying earlier about the twenty four hour rule.

Scott:

I think you might have had a story there.

Jamie:

I do.

Scott:

Was it last season?

Jamie:

It was two seasons ago.

Scott:

Two seasons ago. Had

Jamie:

a mom. We were talking crazy hockey dads, crazy hockey mom. She would, she was notorious for talking about twenty four hour rule. So for those of you that don't know the

Scott:

twenty four

Jamie:

hour rule is some people get heated during a game about the kids playing time or about this, about that. Or even if you don't not happy with how your kid played. All right. You know, you're angry at the coach or the coach is angry at a kid because something happened on the ice or something like that. So generally the twenty four hour rule for those of you that don't know are, and it's really for parents, right?

Jamie:

Is wait twenty four hours after a game to talk to the head coach about something that you were not happy about. Yep. Right.

Scott:

I've heard longer too, but I think we did thirty six hours.

Jamie:

Longer is probably better because the idea is, is that you have time to diffuse yourself, reflect. Yeah. And maybe not, start the conversation from, from a place of, frustration, anger, emotion. The emotion comes out of it because listen, when generally when you, when you have a heat, a conversation where you're very emotional about generally. It doesn't go well.

Jamie:

Whereas you think when you have a, when you can have a conversation where you take the emotion out of it, it's a more rational conversation and you won't get yourself in trouble. Right?

Scott:

I just want to share this one thing. I'm sorry, I don't want to lose this one. This was one of the funniest things I experienced. So I on the bench and I was helping out on the bench and the coach is getting fed up with the ref, our coach, and the ref at the end of the game, he calls him over and he starts the conversation by telling the ref, he goes, should be ashamed of yourself.

Jamie:

Tomorrow, so much for twenty four hour rule.

Scott:

And then the ref looks at him and he goes, you can't start a conversation by saying you

Jamie:

should ashamed of I think I've heard this story.

Scott:

That's what the ref said. He skated away. You can't start a conversation by saying you're ashamed of yourself. He

Jamie:

skated He's not wrong.

Scott:

No, I know.

Jamie:

I mean

Scott:

But this is like, this is like what we're talking about.

Jamie:

Yes. He's coming from a place of emotions.

Scott:

Yes. Coming from a

Jamie:

Generally decisions made when emotions are a big part of your feeling at that moment generally don't go well. Right. You know, emotional decisions generally are wrong decisions. Would you agree? Generally.

Jamie:

Maybe not always, but generally.

Scott:

I think, I think the better practice is like what we're saying.

Jamie:

Yes. Right. So the, so the idea behind the twenty four hour rule is take twenty four hours, calm yourself down. The coach will calm himself down and you guys can have a rational conversation. After the fact.

Jamie:

Right. All right. So there was a mom on our old rockets team that I kid you not. She was not, she was not happy with her kids playing time. I don't know if it was, if it was communicated that playing time was not fair.

Jamie:

Right. And equal. But we were a very competitive team like fifteenth in the country. We were a very competitive team. So I would think from a rational parent standpoint, when you get to those levels, things are not fair and equal.

Jamie:

Right. Nor will they be. Cause you're trying to, these, these coaches are trying, we've talked before on one of the episodes about these coaches are trying to win every game.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Right. I mean, that's what they're trying to do, you know? So, you know, so you're not going to get equal playing. You're just not like, not when you have a team like that, a super competitive team, it's just not happening. So this mom, I shit you not.

Jamie:

She would wait, Scott, she would wait at the door to the literally coming off of the ice of the sheet of ice. She would wait at the door every single game for our coach to step off the ice. She would literally wait at the door.

Scott:

How did he not put an end to that?

Jamie:

I'm sure he did at some point.

Scott:

I mean, I would tell that, I mean, I say this, it's easy for me to say this right now, not knowing anything, but there's part of me that would want to be like, listen, if you do this one more time, your kid is going to sit on the bench.

Jamie:

So, so again, so then we, a part of this is, is parents, parents acting a certain way, right? Where it winds up affecting their child.

Scott:

Yeah. And that is a real thing.

Jamie:

Oh, very real thing. I mean, I know parents that are such a problem where teams will not take them. Because the parents problem. I mean, that's, literally will bury your child if you're a problem and you need to figure out if you're a problem or not. Like you need to be very self aware that if you're the problem, you're going to crush your kid because, because coaches and organizations don't want to deal with you.

Jamie:

I remember it when we were with that rockets team there, they did not want this one family in the building. They still want a part of it. There were a couple, there were a couple of families that didn't want in the building and the kids could have helped us like really good hockey players. Yeah. You know, so either the parents a problem or the child's a problem generally.

Scott:

You know, what's interesting though. And the, the, the, I don't know if it's exactly the inverse or the flip side to that, but there's some, there are definitely parents and families out there or even like players for that matter that organizations and coaches look the other way despite what they've laid out as being reasonable behavior just because that kid is one of the better kids on the team or they don't want to see them walk. Definitely turn heads.

Jamie:

No question.

Scott:

When I say turn heads, mean like the coach will turn a blind eye to some of this stuff. And then that could

Jamie:

look at Lawrence Taylor,

Scott:

dude, for

Jamie:

the New York giants. Guy's a lunatic, but he was a rockstar. So bill parcels looked the other way for years, years, years. Right. That's what you're talking about.

Scott:

Right? A %. That's what I'm talking about.

Jamie:

If you have that much talent, your leash is a lot longer than some other people.

Scott:

And it's interesting because then it becomes like at what cost? Like at what cost do you turn the blind eye? Then once you give someone an inch, they take a yard and it doesn't take long for things to snowball out of control either.

Jamie:

No, it doesn't.

Scott:

No. So I mean, sometimes the easier, I mean, the harder thing is usually the right thing to do. And be careful, be careful, not about careful what you wish for, but, you pay for what you get. Maybe I don't know what the right expression is.

Jamie:

I understand what you're saying. And listen, listen, at the end of the day, I think that parents need to try to relax and give the coach some space after a game because you. And be really thoughtful about what you're going to say to the coach when you do, if you're going to approach them. I don't do that by the way. I never say boo about my kid's playing time.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

When Dom was on that rocket team and he started having his issues, I never once went to the coach and said, what's, what's the deal with my kid's playing time? Right. Not once. Not once.

Scott:

You let the coach do his job.

Jamie:

Of course. The guy knew what he was doing, you know, but even if he didn't know what he was doing, I still wouldn't have gone. Right.

Scott:

That's interesting.

Jamie:

Well, cause we, we, we, we of touched on that in the last podcast, I think, you know, about being in a tough situation. You can go to your kid and be like, Hey, listen, bud, try to get back in his good graces. Some kids and coaches just don't jive, which is fine. Then you look for an, you know, a new location, but some kids just don't mesh with their coaches.

Scott:

All right. Here's a question. So let's just say, okay, we're talking about young kids as a parent, you're your kid's advocate, or you should advocating for your kid in tough situations where they might not be able to advocate for themselves or have those skills yet, right? So as a parent, you step in, you want to advocate for your kid and let's just say you see things very differently than the coach does. Mean, because that happened to me also where I had a parent come to me about playing time at some point and we had a very reasonable conversation about it.

Scott:

And again, I'm saying this in part based on the kid's age and it was a reasonable thing for a parent to ask a question. They

Jamie:

They weren't coming at you with it.

Scott:

You weren't just angry about it. You know what I mean?

Jamie:

They were just asking about playing time. What can my kid do?

Scott:

So, so I think, I think it's reasonable for,

Jamie:

I do too. I just

Scott:

don't And that's, and that's fine too. And I think what you were saying, and I've done it with, with Otto also is said, Hey, listen, you're having a problem? Go talk to the coach because that's a life skill I wanna teach

Jamie:

my When Dom is not gonna be at practice, I make him call his coach. I don't go, Oh, by the way, Dom's not gonna be at practice. I make him do it.

Scott:

Right. And just like everything else, even on ice and off ice skills, some things are easier for kids at different ages. Some things take longer maturity, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So if your kid can advocate for himself or at least

Jamie:

it's a life skill.

Scott:

Like, okay, so then make them do it. But if they can't do it or then, okay, as a parent, you can also have a conversation with a coach and I listen, I was open to it. I would always tell you, like, let's

Jamie:

talk You have an open door. Yeah, sure.

Scott:

I have an open door. You want to talk about things? If I'm not being clear, if something's confusing, let me know. And we can talk about it. But what you're talking about is not like the rational parent that has a question or concern.

Scott:

You're

Jamie:

talking I'm talking about an irrational parent.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

I'm talking about an irrational parent who doesn't understand, you know, the level of play or kind of the situation or themselves for that matter, you know, where they think that maybe their child's much better than maybe they are. You know, I'm always, I always take the other side of that coin where I'm always like, know, my kid needs to work harder. Like my kid needs to get tougher. My kid needs to, you know, you need to earn stuff in life.

Scott:

Yeah. Know what You're talking about holding yourself accountable, taking responsibility.

Jamie:

That's what I want from my child. Right. Because life is hard. And the sooner they figure that out, the better. So I want my kid to go, if he's not getting playing time, you go ask the coach, Hey coach, what can I do?

Jamie:

And you know what? And I would not ask, I would not ask that for him. I wouldn't do it. He, if he's not doing it, I'm not doing it. That's that's again, that's a life skill.

Jamie:

You're nervous about it? Get over it. Go do it.

Scott:

But devil's advocate or just there are kids that, I mean, at some point, listen, at some point a kid has to learn that and you have to model that out for a kid. Like, Hey kid, listen, this is what we're going to do. We're going to talk to your coach. I'm going to show you how to do it. This is how we have the conversation.

Scott:

Next time, if you have an issue, I'm going to expect you to try it. Right? Like,

Jamie:

I'm not going do it the first time though. I want him to do it. That's just me though.

Scott:

That's fine. That's just

Jamie:

me and my child. Totally fine. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, but I think that there's, so like you said, there's a difference between a rational parent going up and having a conversation like that and somebody literally meeting somebody at the door every single time the coach is stepping off the other side.

Scott:

Yeah, that's too much.

Jamie:

Too much. And it can hurt your child. It can hurt your kid.

Scott:

And even when you do get the coach's attention, as upset as you might be, you still need to, because at the end of the day, the coach holds keys to the car, if you will. And, if you're, you know, like you said, parents can, ruin it for their kids.

Jamie:

Yes, they can. They sure can. So, all right. So do you want to go, do want to roll into our, so we have a story, a really good story, and we have an NHL one to our NHL picks. Want to do that?

Scott:

We can

Jamie:

do it.

Scott:

Yeah, sure. And then we can finish it up with your story.

Jamie:

Yeah. All right. So, so, all right. So playoffs started last night. So, so I I'm so, I'm so curious.

Jamie:

I have one pick that I know you do not like. All right. So we'll go through from the top to the bottom now. Hopefully I do better than I did for the fro the college frozen four, because that was, I just, no, at

Scott:

least I got BU to the finals.

Jamie:

Yes, you did. I bombed in that. So I need to redeem myself. Bombed. All right.

Jamie:

So, so, all right. So two of these, so two of these games already went off last night, but we had them pick before that. So Winnipeg, St. Louis, who do you have

Scott:

coming Winnipeg.

Jamie:

Me

Scott:

too. Although I will say

Jamie:

St.

Scott:

Louis looks good. If they shoot like they were shooting like those

Jamie:

Those first three goals?

Scott:

Oh my Kyrie snipe? What the Unreal.

Jamie:

They were

Scott:

I mean

Jamie:

The first three goals were awesome for them. They were like, those, those are very hard.

Scott:

If they can keep shooting like that and putting them by a hell of a buck.

Jamie:

I mean, it's, this is a tough guy to beat. If you're going beat him, you gotta beat him like that. Yeah. And I don't think in my opinion, I know that that Thomas has been lighting it up. You know, but I don't think that they have the stamina to shoot like that for the whole series.

Jamie:

And did you see the atmosphere in Winnipeg last night?

Scott:

Oh, it was sick. That white out is sick.

Jamie:

See the streets?

Scott:

The streets were mopped.

Jamie:

It's amazing.

Scott:

What a cool scene. Love it.

Jamie:

All right. So, so for those of you that don't know, so Winnipeg won that game last night. And then we have, so we both have Winnipeg and then we have Dallas and the Avalanche.

Scott:

I got the Avalanche. I do too. Avalanche. They're, I mean, they've got such rock stars on the team. Such gold tennis.

Scott:

Blackwood looks so good last night.

Jamie:

Meanwhile, from New Jersey devils fans,

Scott:

I what I said to my, that to auto, I was like, can you put

Jamie:

the Mackenzie devils? Mackenzie. And do know who the backup is?

Scott:

Wedge Wedgewood.

Jamie:

Scott Wedgewood, another devil. Like what really? Like Blackwood and Wedgewood. But they're both not in our building anymore.

Scott:

Well, we got Markstrom

Jamie:

and Allen. We had listened, no complaints, but Allen and Markstrom are not young. Wedgewood and Blackwood are young. Yeah. You know, so that's kind of a loss.

Jamie:

All right. So we both have the Avalanche. I agree. The Avalanche are going get out of that.

Scott:

No question about it.

Jamie:

Yeah. All right.

Scott:

We're talking about no question.

Jamie:

No, no. I think no question. Robert's is hurt. And so is what's his name. I'm like, why am drawing a blank?

Jamie:

Who's hurt? Hastings. Is Mero hurt?

Scott:

Who's hurt? Could be. I don't know. Somebody else is hurt there.

Jamie:

Yeah. Somebody else is hurt there, but I, so I don't think, I don't think Dallas is coming out in my opinion. Listen, I also think that Branton was getting bumped around last night.

Scott:

Oh, that must've been so I was trying to

Jamie:

sure it was uncomfortable. I'm sure it was so uncomfortable.

Scott:

It must've been miserable.

Jamie:

I'm sure he wants to know part of that series, you know, but listen, but I think the average are gonna run through that. So do you.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

All right. Vegas, Minnesota.

Scott:

Vegas.

Jamie:

Yeah. Vegas too. It's hard to, it's hard to pick against Vegas. Don't know.

Scott:

Think about a team that's had so much success in so early just

Jamie:

period of time.

Scott:

Like, that's amazing.

Jamie:

Meanwhile, the devils can't get out of their own way. The fuck. Vegas comes into the league and all of a sudden wins the Stanley cup. Like what?

Scott:

A side note, Mark Stone, if you've never seen the end of his stick,

Jamie:

Oh, his tape job?

Scott:

Look at that tape job.

Jamie:

His tape job?

Scott:

He must have hands that are the size of like king Kong because there's it's so built up on the end of it.

Jamie:

Speaking about like noticing things on the ice. Did you see Mackenzie Blackwood's mask, his, his, his airbrush job on his mask? It's very cool. It's called like Rocky Mountain rampage or something like that. And it's just like Rocky Mountains with like a, like a, like a monster face on it.

Jamie:

It's a very cool mask. I don't know who did it, but black, I noticed black with mask last night. It's sick looking. So for those of you who watch Dallas, the avalanche, check out a black with mask. It's insane.

Scott:

Sweet. Yeah.

Jamie:

All right. So we both have Vegas.

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

All right. This is where we're going to go. This is where we're going to go a different direction. So Kings Oilers.

Scott:

I got Oilers.

Jamie:

I have the Kings.

Scott:

Now I will say this. I will say that doing it four times in a row, round one like that, that's, that's not going to be easy. I, but it's really, really, really hard to bet against Drysidl and McDavid in round one, especially coming off of last season, like the appetite. And they also have a few other players that are coming back into the lineup. We'll see.

Scott:

I don't if they have the goaltending. The goaltending is the

Jamie:

The goaltending is a problem

Scott:

for them. I know.

Jamie:

I don't know if they have the goaltending that can, in my opinion, they have the weakest goaltending and on their entire bracket. I mean, look who else is, look who else is out there. I mean, I injure Helle Buck, Blackwood. I mean, I don't think they have the goal. Maybe I'm wrong.

Scott:

I don't think people would disagree with that, but they have so much offense. That's good. I can't wait to see the game on.

Jamie:

Am. And Quentin Byfield is coming into his own right now. Right? Like all of a sudden he is lighting stuff up. Like after like four nations before four nations, like all of a sudden he's coming on.

Jamie:

Yeah. Love seeing it. You know, he's a nice player. I'm looking forward to him, you know, kind of moving forward. All right.

Jamie:

So that takes care of that side. All right. So you have the Oilers. I have the Kings. Yep.

Jamie:

All right. We're also going to go straight here. Do to, do you want go the other side?

Scott:

No. Yeah. Well, I'm following your lead. I'm

Jamie:

following your All right. So let's go to the other side. So Toronto and Ottawa,

Scott:

Toronto.

Jamie:

I have Ottawa. Pretty good Chuck. I think it's going

Scott:

to be a six series.

Jamie:

It's going to get very physical.

Scott:

It's going to be a six series. I just don't, I got so much power in Toronto.

Jamie:

Know. I know it's good. I'm hoping the goaltending holds up, which it should for Ottawa, but listen, we're going to see.

Scott:

We'll see.

Jamie:

So I went with Ottawa.

Scott:

I got Toronto.

Jamie:

All right, here we go. Here's another sick matchup. Tampa and the Panthers.

Scott:

Yeah. So I got the Panthers.

Jamie:

Yeah, I do too.

Scott:

So is, good shot coming back? I thought so. Game one, he'll be back.

Jamie:

I haven't looked, but I thought, I thought that's why they held him out.

Scott:

Let's hope he stays healthy.

Jamie:

Oh God, me too. See, I wanted to go a different direction with this next one. So Washington and Montreal.

Scott:

Wait, but I just want to say we'll call it one, one call out on the, the Panthers. Like on unlike, Oh my God. Ratton in.

Jamie:

Yeah. Oh, you're talking about, Brad Moishan?

Scott:

Yeah. Like, wow. Like leaving, leaving the Bruins and now you're on the Panthers. Like,

Jamie:

I hope he wins the Stanley Cup. Thought they did him a little wrong there in Boston.

Scott:

Boston had a lot of problems this year.

Jamie:

I thought they really did him wrong though. They were not far apart money wise and he wanted to stay there. Like, I'm so surprised they did that anyway. All right. So Montreal and the capitals, what do you got?

Scott:

All right. As much as I want to see Lane Hudson continue the epic season he's having. Yeah. I think Washington, I don't think you can bet against Washington.

Jamie:

Yeah. I want Montreal too, but I picked the caps also. Yeah. And then this is such a bad matchup. Caroline in New Jersey.

Scott:

Being a Devils fan and having gone to see the Devils play starting in the mid eighties and seeing them win the Stanley cup in 1995 in person. I am choosing Carolina.

Jamie:

Well done. Yes. I unfortunately am choosing Carolina as well as much as I want the New Jersey devils to win. And we're going be at dinner today. His game's on in a couple of hours.

Scott:

Was I watching with you that Brendan Moore's son is on this team? Yes.

Jamie:

Yeah. It's pretty cool. Talking about parent coaches, Seriously. No parent coach is so much for that. Right?

Jamie:

That's true. All So we both have Carolina coming up. Okay. So now let's go back up top. So then we have Winnipeg, Winnipeg and the Avalanche.

Jamie:

Both have, who do you have coming out of that?

Scott:

I got the Avs.

Jamie:

So do I. A %. I think that's going happen.

Scott:

He's a filthy dude.

Jamie:

Guy's an animal.

Scott:

Total animal.

Jamie:

I mean, it's like the guy, in my opinion, he's the best player in the NHL

Scott:

right now. There's plenty of people that would agree with that.

Jamie:

He looks so good. All right. So then we have Vegas and you have the Oilers, I have Vegas Kings. Who comes out of that?

Scott:

I have Vegas.

Jamie:

You do? Yeah. Do you think, do you think one of those going to lose in the second round? Yep. Interesting.

Jamie:

Have, so I have Vegas too, but I have Vegas beating the Kings. Okay. All right. Good. All right.

Jamie:

So your, so you have the, you have the abs playing Vegas for the Stanley cup spot.

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

Okay. And who wins that game?

Scott:

I have the abs.

Jamie:

I do too. Nice. You have the abs in the Stanley cup finals.

Scott:

Yes. I

Jamie:

do too. All right.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

What are you gonna say?

Scott:

I have them winning the whole thing.

Jamie:

I do too.

Scott:

All right.

Jamie:

So let's go. All So you have Toronto playing the Panthers. I have Ottawa playing the Panthers. Who comes out of it? Toronto.

Jamie:

Stop it. Really?

Scott:

Yes. Oh God. Listen, I'll tell you why. Part the thinking is not rooted in fact whatsoever. It just has to do with the Panthers just won the cup.

Jamie:

Biz would like that call by the way.

Scott:

Yeah. And Toronto has not done well in the playoffs many years in This true. So I think it's their time. I think Florida just enjoyed a lot of success last season. And I just don't

Jamie:

do they have the goal.

Scott:

Listen, the same way that I don't see the Oilers going past Vegas. I just, I think it's going to be a, we're going to have a different,

Jamie:

So you have Toronto, you have Toronto going to the finals against the abs that where you have. You do.

Scott:

I do.

Jamie:

I was interesting. Cause I was looking at the bottom of it. I didn't think. Okay. All right.

Jamie:

So, all right. So let's get to my, all right. So you have Toronto. I have the Panthers going. Okay.

Jamie:

So now we have Washington and, Carolina who comes out

Scott:

like a Washington.

Jamie:

I have Carolina. Interesting. And then who do you have between Toronto and Carolina? Sorry. Toronto and Washington, Toronto.

Jamie:

Oh, that's right. Right. Oh, it's you are. So you are right. So I have, I have the Panthers beating Carolina to go to the Stanley cup finals.

Scott:

Okay. And I've got Toronto beating Washington to go to the finals.

Jamie:

You do. Right. That's what I figured. Right. So your, so your finals are the abs playing the maple leafs for the Stanley cup championship

Scott:

with the abs winning,

Jamie:

with the abs winning. I have the abs playing the Panthers with the abs

Scott:

winning. Interesting. Listen,

Jamie:

hopefully I fare better than my last, cause that was not good.

Scott:

No. And you're, I feel like you pay closer attention to college hockey.

Jamie:

I do. I love college hockey and yet. Yeah. No, I totally shit the bed on that. That was bad.

Jamie:

So hopefully I redeemed myself here. We'll see. Well, we're going to to do like a friendly wager unit. We'll figure something out. So you want to do a hockey store, hockey dad story, and then we'll call it a day on our Easter Yep.

Jamie:

All right. So this, this is probably one of the most legendary hockey dad stories that I have ever been a part of. And, and, and, and it's just, this guy is he's legendary and he's a friend of mine. You have heard stories about him on this before. We're going to have to have him on one day because the stories just don't stop with this guy.

Jamie:

So we are up in, New Hampshire. Okay. And we're playing on a tournament team, right? The spring tournament teams that we talked, we touched on last episode. So we're up in New Hampshire playing a tournament team and we had, we were at this one rink where the rink is that shares a parking lot with a restaurant.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Okay. We had a game in the morning and it didn't make sense to go back to our hotel. Right. So let's just say we had a game at like eleven. Okay.

Jamie:

And it didn't make sense to go back to our hotel. So what happened is, is all the parents went over to the restaurant. They shared the same parking lot. The kids are running around the parking lots, you know? So it was easy to just kind of walk right back and forth between the rink and the restaurant.

Jamie:

Right. And the restaurant had a really big bar. So we're all kind of hanging around the bar. So this one dad, he goes and he gets his kids skate sharpened after our first game. Oh, wait, hold on.

Jamie:

There's an whole nother part to the story that I totally forgot about. Okay. In the morning before our first game.

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

Okay. The kid, this dad, same one who I'm talking about. This dad, the toe cap pops off of his kid's skate.

Scott:

I don't think I know this part of the story. No, I

Jamie:

don't think you do. The toe cap pops off of this kid's skate. Like his toes, like

Scott:

exposed. I've

Jamie:

never even seen a toe cap popping off a skate like that. Okay. So this was before our first game that morning. So it figures around like, I don't know, call it 09:30 in the morning, ten in the morning. So the toe cap pops off.

Jamie:

The coach looks at him and he goes, he goes, you're not gonna let him play like that. Are you? And he goes, yeah. I'll be fine. Why don't he play

Scott:

like that? He must have taped it.

Jamie:

He taped it.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

He taped the toe cap on to his kid's skates. So I'm like I'm like, you're gonna run to pure hockey. Right? He's like, no. I was like, what?

Jamie:

You're not going to run, you're not going to run to pure hockey. So he does not run to PR. He tapes the toe cap down on his kid's skates. I shit you not. I, if he took a puck to the toe, it was not going to be a good situation.

Scott:

That could have been pretty bad.

Jamie:

Oh, dude. Right. So we, all right. So that's how the morning started off. Right.

Jamie:

Where with the toe cap issue. Right. And all the parents like, Oh my God, he's not going to like, he's going to let his kid play like that. So the Coach let him play. So we played the first game.

Jamie:

I think we won. So after the game we had like three hours to kill. So, so this dad drops. So, all right. So this rink was you walk in the front door and you go stairs to the pro shop.

Jamie:

You go upstairs, you need to turn left at the top of the stairs and the glass pro shop doors were there. And there's a garbage can in the left hand corner, right outside the door. Okay. So this dad drops his kid's skates off, after our first game to have the same skates with the fucked up toe cap.

Scott:

I had no idea.

Jamie:

Oh, dude, I'm telling you this, I'm telling you this father's legend.

Scott:

It's not getting the skate, like getting them sharpened was dude.

Jamie:

Like the least of his problems,

Scott:

the least of your problems.

Jamie:

I, we thought he was going run to pure hockey in between games. No, no such thing. So, so, so he, he, he drops the skates off in the, in the pro shop. And again, we had like three, three and half hours in between. So all the parents go over to the restaurant next door.

Jamie:

The kids were kind of running around the parking lot a little bit. All the parents are at the bar hanging out. And we find out that our game's going to start early. Okay. So, so

Scott:

this would be the second game of the day.

Jamie:

Our second game of the day we played at like eleven, call it. We had like, call it like a three or a 02:30. And, and so his skate drops his kid skates off to get sharpened. And, and we went over to the restaurant. Okay.

Jamie:

So it's then communicated to us that the game's going to start early.

Scott:

Can I just ask one thing? Just like a, just a, maybe a good, good thing to do before you go to a tournament. Get your kids skate sharpened because you probably shouldn't need to get them sharpened after your first game of the tournament.

Jamie:

What's crazy about this dad, which still doesn't make sense to this day is he has two sets of blades. Like he has a backup pair of blades. I don't know if both of them were, were beat up or what I should actually ask him about that. Jesus. But so, all right.

Jamie:

So cause he normally carries two or three sets of blades. So something obviously happened. Right? So the skates are in the pro shop and it has communicated to us that, The game's going start early now, not like four hours early, but like a half hour, forty minutes early.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Okay. So I get a phone call. Okay. I'm at the restaurant. He walked back over to the rink.

Jamie:

Okay. Again, shares a parking lot. They're like a hundred yards between the two. Yeah. Right.

Jamie:

So he calls me, Jamie, I need you. You need to come over here now. And it hangs up.

Scott:

Need you now.

Jamie:

It's like something. I was like, so I was like, okay, I'm coming. So I'm in the, I'm upstairs by the pro shop. Okay.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

So I walk into the rink. I go up the stairs. I turn left. And what I see is this dad standing on top of the trash can in the corner, putting back the tile from the drop ceiling. Okay.

Jamie:

And I look and I he's literally just putting it in place in the grid. Okay. You look through the glass doors into the pro shop and there's like broken tiles on the floor that you could see through the dark pro shop doors, lights off. Okay. But you could see that there's debris on the floor of the pro shop.

Jamie:

Okay. There's another dad up there with him. He's on the other dad was standing net net, not top of the garbage can. So this dad is literally placing the tile back in the ceiling and the other dad is standing kind of on the floor down there. And I look at him and I go, I look, I just looked at him.

Jamie:

I go, what the fuck's going on? And the other dad goes to me, goes hockey life, James. Hockey life.

Scott:

Hockey life.

Jamie:

That's what he says to me. I was like I'm like then and then they both walk walk past me with his kid's skates in hand. Right? And we and walked down the stairs. I looked at him and go, what the fuck?

Jamie:

What the fuck just happened? So this father, because the pro shop was closed, he went into the ceiling. He jumped on top of the garbage can, went into the ceiling. He removed the drops in tile. He went into the ceiling, went over into the pro shop and fell through the fucking tiles.

Jamie:

Dude, I mean, like and that's why all the debris was on the floor. So the pro shop is closed. He literally broke in to the fucking pro shop to get his kids' skates out because he needed his skates for the next game. And the funny part about it was is the other father who was there who gave me the hockey lifeline

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

He goes, while you're in there, can you grab me a water bottle? You've gotta be fooling me. And and this and then the dad's like, no, dude. I'm not trying to steal these things. Said, ask for a water bottle.

Jamie:

While you're in there, could you get me a water bottle? So their dad's like, no, dude. Like, I'm not I'm not my kid skates. I'm not trying to steal stuff from the pro shop. So so this father so he he again, he went up into the ceiling and fell through the drop ceiling inside the pro shop.

Jamie:

So he so he so he gets his kid's skates. So then he comes to me like then he comes to me like, I don't know, like, during the game. And he goes, Jamie goes, dude, I have, like, 4 or $500 cash on you. He goes, cause I need to go in there. He goes, I need to speak to this guy.

Jamie:

So I'm like, Phil, I'm like, have like $2.50. I'm like, I don't know. Like, you know, like, I'm like, what do you need? He's like, I don't know. He's like, let me just go talk to this guy.

Jamie:

So he went and he listened. He went,

Scott:

so the pro shop, what were they closed for lunch

Jamie:

or something? Something happened. They closed for something. They were

Scott:

closed midday.

Jamie:

Yeah. In between games, which probably, I don't know if he went for lunch or whatever it was, but so this one dad went into the ceiling to acquire his kids' skates. He wasn't not gonna not pay for them. He was definitely gonna pay for them. Matter of fact, he went, he went back and it was like a family owned rink too.

Jamie:

So he went back like during our game and said, Hey, listen, like I'm the one, the, like you're when the pro shop was open again, he's like, the reason you have a mess on your floor, he's like, I I

Scott:

I fell through your ceiling.

Jamie:

He's like, I'm sorry. He's like, I needed my kid's skates. And the guy's like, but you broke into my pro shop. He's like, I needed my kid's skates. He's But you broke into my pro shop.

Jamie:

He's like, I needed my kid's skates. So then, so he said, he goes, Listen, what can we do to make this right? So I think he wound up giving him like, I don't know, 400 or $500. And then they just kind of called it.

Scott:

So what's crazy about

Jamie:

I give the dad a lot of credit for like going back and be like, Hey, listen, like, what

Scott:

do you mean a lot of credit? That's the least he could do.

Jamie:

Well, of course,

Scott:

of course it was going be uncomfortable, but you know, like, when you told me that story, dude, I had no idea. I don't, I don't recall that this was like a midday thing. I thought it was, I thought he had left them there, like at the, and then he went back in the morning.

Jamie:

No, no, no.

Scott:

And it hadn't opened yet.

Jamie:

No, it was in between games for whatever reason. The guy shut the doors and turned the lights off. So my buddy went up into the ceiling, like mission impossible style. Yo crazy. It's a great story.

Jamie:

It's one of my favorite stories by far,

Scott:

by far

Jamie:

it's a le It's I need to write a book one day and that needs to be in, that needs to be its own chapter. The hockey lite Wait, do

Scott:

you have pictures of the pro shop floor? Does anyone have pictures of what, the Probably. I need to

Jamie:

see I think he broke, like, four or five tiles because he fell through the whole What the whole grid was gonna happen?

Scott:

I do. He thought he thought drop ceiling was gonna hold

Jamie:

I he was obviously scaling the grid up in the ceiling and, his foot went through a bunch of What

Scott:

the fuck would he expect?

Jamie:

I have no idea. The drop

Scott:

ceiling is not gonna hold

Jamie:

human weight. No. I well, listen. It did hold him. It held him.

Jamie:

The grid held him. The obviously, the individual tiles are are flimsy and chintzy.

Scott:

Have you ever hung a drop ceiling? Yes. It's wire and thin aluminum.

Jamie:

Yes. Yes. He's a skinny dude. Somebody that weighed a little more may not have gotten away with that. Jesus.

Jamie:

And then the hockey lifeline from the other father.

Scott:

So

Jamie:

good. And hey, while you're in there, you grab me a fucking water bottle? I mean, and he the father looks at me and goes, dude, no. I'm not trying to steal shit. I just need my kids' kids.

Scott:

Is such a guy who just broke into a pro shop.

Jamie:

Oh my god. It's such a good story. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so there you go, folks.

Jamie:

That's our Easter episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it.

Scott:

So good. Thank you, everyone.

Jamie:

Yes. Thank you for the people who are jumping on board, all the states, the provinces, and now across the pond. Let's We're across the pond, which is

Scott:

kinda cool. Yeah. Please subscribe.

Jamie:

Yes. Please do.

Scott:

Let let friends, family know. Check us out.

Jamie:

Yes. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a good one.

Jamie:

Take care. Happy Easter.