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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America, the voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So as of today, the stock market is at a near record high. Maybe it's a record high. It's over 40,000, the Dow Jones.
Seth Holehouse:And a lot of people are watching it and saying, wow. This is great. The stock market's going up. Look. The housing market's going up.
Seth Holehouse:And gold's at 35, you know, hundred an ounce. Like, everything's getting, you know, prosperous. Wow. This is wonderful. And it seems that way, but, unfortunately, there's a story that is beneath that story which tells us what's really going on, which is our dollar is losing money fast, and they're printing money, they're printing dollars fast, which is basically as they print more dollars, these dollars lose value and so everything seems to be more valuable, but it's actually an indicator of inflation, you know, not necessarily hyperinflation yet, but we're certainly headed that way.
Seth Holehouse:And so you say, okay, wait, why is it that my house is now worth $800,000 though I bought it for 300,000 15 years ago, so I should be rich, yet I can barely afford to pay bills, can barely afford property tax, I can barely afford groceries, and this is the conversation a lot of Americans are having right now as they're scratching their heads trying to figure out what the heck is going on because even though again the Dow is over 40,000, you ask that most Americans say, hey, do you feel rich? Like, look at the stock market, are you are you just rolling in cash? And most Americans are struggling. They're saying, no. Actually, I've I've, you know, I'm working two jobs.
Seth Holehouse:My wife had to work a job. Like, we're we're really struggling. This is the case for so many people here in America, and it's because our currency has been weaponized against us. It's very simple. Our currency, which is not a real currency, it's a fiat currency.
Seth Holehouse:You know, obviously, you know, I'm sure if you're watching my show, you're aware that the Federal Reserve isn't a federal company. It's a private bank that has loaned money to the government, and they were basically debt slaves to a globalist banking cabal, to put it simply. And but they are using this as a weapon. It's a weapon for them to control us. It's a weapon for them to, get us to put our hard work into these assets that they control, that they can then inflate those assets and convince us that we're really rich now because our stock portfolio or our housing price, yet we've never been poorer, it seems.
Seth Holehouse:And then what happens though is they inflate and then they create some sort of collapse situation. We all lose everything because we've put all of our hardworking, all of our assets that we've earned through our blood, sweat, and tears into these these fake financial instruments, right, into these these dollar bills, these stocks, bonds, etc, these assets that can get wiped out in a crash, and then once that crash happens, these are the elites come in, they scoop everything up and it's just wash and rinse and repeat. This is the cycle. And so joining me today is a man that I first read his book, gosh, probably fifteen, maybe almost even twenty years ago. It's mister Robert Kiyosaki.
Seth Holehouse:He's arguably one of the most famous financial authors. His book, Rich Dad Poor Dad, I'm not sure how many copies it's sold, but it's probably millions and millions of copies worldwide. And, he's someone that has, you know, you could say very radical views on finance, I actually I agree with a lot of his perspectives, but, you know, he's radical because he's not telling you what the school system is telling you or what your your TD advisor is telling you. He's saying, hey, the system is rigged, They wanna keep you poor. They're gonna use these tactics to keep stealing your money from you, and exit the system.
Seth Holehouse:Right? So that's his whole his whole, you know, kind of shtick is here's how to gain financial literacy that will help you escape the the rat race. Now mister Kiyosaki is also someone that has been warning of a coming crash for quite some time. Now and I I feel like I've been in the same boat. I'm like, folks, like, the whole thing is, like, we're we're at such precarious time.
Seth Holehouse:Yes, Dow's over 40,000, but don't be fooled by it because it's built on a massive debt bubble with money money printing and a money supply like we've never seen before. And so Robert's one of the people though that has been warning about this and saying, look, everyone, something big is coming. There is a big financial event coming. And so in my interview with him today, we're gonna be talking about what are the signs that he that he sees that show him that a significant, financial reset is coming. Who's causing it?
Seth Holehouse:How does it tie into global wars and and and what's happening, you know, geopolitically with tariffs and everything like that? But also, what are the things that we can do to be out in front of this to not get hit by the train that just coming and steamrolling? Most people who are laying on the tracks, they don't see it coming. It's like, okay, we can see it coming. Now what do we do?
Seth Holehouse:And so we're gonna be getting into all this and more. It's gonna be a fun conversation, and again, it's it's kinda cool to interview a guy that, you know, I've I've known of his books for probably two decades, and so there's a certain kinda level of excitement around that, which is which I'm which I'm looking forward to. Now before we get into the show, just a few quick notes. First off, if this is your first time listening, welcome. Thank you for joining the show.
Seth Holehouse:You know, while this is more of a financial show, I cover a whole gamut of things. It's, you know, health, geopolitics, elections, you know, all the the whole the whole run of things. So preparedness. So make sure you tune back in the next episode because you might find it's a health one that, you know, that you really enjoy. On top of that, every show that I do is done as a podcast as well as a video.
Seth Holehouse:So maybe you're watching on Rumble or YouTube. Just know that every show that I do is also in podcast. So go to your favorite podcast app, Spotify, Apple Podcast, etcetera. Search for Man in America. You'll find me there, and subscribe on those, apps as well if you wanna listen via podcast.
Seth Holehouse:The other thing is that if you've watched me a little bit, you know there's one thing that angers me almost more than anything, and that's chemtrails. Like, I live in the country. I hate walking out with my children looking forward to a beautiful blue sky and seeing a barcode in the sky that blocks out the sun that's dropping poisons on us, and I'm wondering, oh gosh, when's this gonna stop? And so one thing that my wife and I have done as a way to counteract this and to create more of a public movement of raising awareness is that we created this really fun and sarcastic website called Make Skies Blue Again. So, today's forecast is cloudy with a chance of aluminum.
Seth Holehouse:So, if you are like me and you're as you're angry about chemtrails, I want to do something about it, want to raise awareness, one of the best things that you can do is wear a t shirt that is going to make people question you, which is great. This is how you start conversations. So, at makeskiesblueagain.com, we've got t shirts, we've got flags, we've got hats, we've got all kinds of different things, even for kids. We've got little kids. Look at that.
Seth Holehouse:Look at these cute little kids wearing their Make Sky's Blue Again t shirt. So, you've got, you know, t shirts for kids. We've t shirts for adults. We've got flags, and really what's behind this, the energy behind it is that we want to create some sort of a movement of people that are wearing these t shirts to the grocery store or family gatherings, and having more people say, hey, I like your t shirt, and you know, I've noticed actually they're spraying a lot, right, because this is how we get things done here in America is we have to create something where enough Americans get behind the momentum of something, and that's how we can create change. The politicians don't listen to us, but if there's enough of us saying something that we're gonna force them to listen to us.
Seth Holehouse:So, if you're offended and you're upset about chemtrails like I am, go to makeskiesblueagain.com. Get yourself a t shirt, you know, get for your family. We've got a whole collection of them too, and we're gonna be keep we're gonna be adding more and more. We've got various other ones, different styles. We have different kind of fun designs, and we're gonna be doing a ton more.
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Seth Holehouse:So go do it today. Right? Right now, as you're listening, press pause or whatever it is, go to makeskiesblueagain.com, order that t shirt, and wear it proudly. Wear it to your local, you know, family gathering and see what kind of questions you get. It'll be a good opportunity for you.
Seth Holehouse:All right, let's go ahead and dive into today's show with Robert Kiyosaki. Mr. Robert Kiyosaki, it is such an honor to have you on the show. Thank you very much for giving us your time today.
Robert Kiyosaki:Oh, man. It's been a pleasure and it's really been, you know, for me, a great pleasure getting to know you. So it was we met at Clay Clark's place in Tulsa. And that boy, it's just turning. It's turning, yeah, geez.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, we'll start over. You want some water?
Robert Kiyosaki:No, that's fine. What happened was years ago, still, I snore a lot. So, my wife says, I gotta do something about it. So, I met this quack, call a doctor. He cut out my whole palate and everything.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, stuff just falls down. There's no stopping it. And it was like three weeks of healing and this whole thing, bloody. If there was ever occasional malpractice, that would have been it for me.
Seth Holehouse:Goodness. Yeah, I would say. Okay, so you're good now? We'll start over.
Robert Kiyosaki:Okay, thank you. Okay, great.
Seth Holehouse:Mr. Robert Kiyosaki, it is an honor to have you on the show. Thank you very much for giving us your time today.
Robert Kiyosaki:Well, it's been my pleasure since we met Clay Clark's place in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It was a pleasure meeting you. But that Clay Clark, man, he is one character.
Seth Holehouse:That's a good word for him, Yeah, that is it. Good,
Robert Kiyosaki:driven, smart. And I've never met a guy who was so hyper all the time, he's doing so much good. And then I met his mother, and she just lets him be Clay Clark. Mean, he's endorsed by his mother and he's doing magnificent work. So, it was great meeting you out there and all the people that he surrounds himself with.
Robert Kiyosaki:Clay Clark starts his days at 05:00 in the morning.
Seth Holehouse:It's incredible. Yeah, he's a machine. He's a machine.
Robert Kiyosaki:But his, you know, I have problems with my company starting at 09:00. Yes, hundreds of people showing up at 5AM in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Man, he's a leader of a leader. He's a fantastic young man.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, he is, he is. For the folks that aren't familiar with you and probably few and far between, I first came across you, gosh, probably fifteen years ago or maybe even twenty years ago when I got a copy of Rich Dad Poor Dad, and that was one of the earlier, like that was one of the earlier kind of books on finance that I read. It always stuck with me, you know, understanding, oh, hey, that's wow, that's not actually an asset, right? And that kind of framing, and so I've been really looking forward to this, this discussion. And so, what I wanted to start with you, and we can kind of take it as it comes, is that for the past couple of years, I've interviewed a lot of different financial experts, and also through my own research, and these aren't like, you know, kind of your typical day traders.
Seth Holehouse:These are people like, you know, Martin Armstrong, or people that are looking at large global patterns, like the bigger picture of our global financial system. They're not saying, Oh, maybe there's going to be a recession, and two or three points this way. These are people saying that our global financial system is nearing some sort of end. This fiat currency of the US dollar, all fiat currencies have a life cycle. There's something big happening, and oftentimes these people have said, and I've agreed that at some point there will be some sort of significant crash and reset, and there's mixed comp, there's mixed responses to that.
Seth Holehouse:There's some people that say, look, I see it, I agree. There's a lot of people that say, look Seth, you're like the boy who cries wolf, you're always saying that there's going be some sort of financial collapse and it hasn't happened yet, and they take that as the reason for why it will never happen. People, it hasn't happened yet, so it's not going to happen. And I know that you're also someone that you've, you talk my language and you're talking about the Federal Reserve and the central banking system, but also how there is some sort of big financial reset or collapse or crash, whatever you want to call it, that is looming. And so, what leads you to believe that?
Seth Holehouse:What are the indicators that you see that signify that some sort of massive change is coming to our global financial system?
Robert Kiyosaki:Well, thank you. And I agree wholeheartedly that people say, well, this nothing's happened. We're we're fine. And I was a student of a gentleman named R. Buckminster Fuller.
Robert Kiyosaki:He created the geodesic dome. He's considered America's greatest futurists. John Demer wrote a song about him, What One Man Can Do. And I was a student of Fuller's and he kicked my butt. One day he asked me, he says, What's your purpose in life?
Robert Kiyosaki:I said, Make a lot of money. Know, Fuller was an American. He went to Harvard and got thrown out of Harvard three times. And he graduated from Naval Academy at my sister's school. But anyway, he says, What a waste of a brain to just make money.
Robert Kiyosaki:And I said, and he scolded me in front of 150 people in the seminar. It was a week long seminar. And he scolded me, he says, Ask yourself this, don't make money for yourself, what does God want done? And I'm not really religious, but he's basically asking a big macro question. What does God want done?
Robert Kiyosaki:And that's a long way of answering your question is that he said, People cannot get out of the way of things they cannot see coming to them. May I repeat that again? People cannot get out of the way of things they cannot see coming towards them. They can't see it. It's almost like a fog or something.
Robert Kiyosaki:You don't really see it or a cloud. And so when he asked me that question, I was already panicking about money back then. This is '83.
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Robert Kiyosaki:And people cannot see the crash because it's happening so slowly. So, you know, like, you know, gold, 1980, '19 '70 '1, was a few bucks. Now it's $3,500. So it went from like a 35, which was manipulated to $3,500 today, this is May 2025. That meant the purchasing power of your money went down.
Robert Kiyosaki:If gold went up, the purchasing money of your company is coming down. And people cannot see that stuff. They can't see that. They call it inflation, but it was an intentional manipulation of our currency. And that's what Buckminster Fuller was a great man.
Robert Kiyosaki:He wrote a book called The Grunch of Giants. And grunt stands for Gross Universal Cashized. So, he kicked my butt and say, What does God want done? I was already studying all this stuff. Just intuitively, I think we're all here on earth with a higher cause.
Robert Kiyosaki:But we don't really find it because when you go to school, they tell you, just get good grades and get a job. Then you go to church and say, well, the love of money is root of all evil. So, I wasn't getting a straight answer at school or church. So, anyways, that's why people cannot see what's coming towards them. So, dollar, because the price of gold keeps going up.
Robert Kiyosaki:What does that mean? That means your purchasing power of your dollar is going down. They can't see it. They call it inflation. I call it manipulation.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, it is interesting how they oftentimes will just sweep it under the rug as inflation. They'll say, Oh, the CPI is at three or 4%, and they keep telling us these little numbers which you're thinking, Well, it doesn't seem like that's real because if inflation's at 11%, why is it that the truck that just cost $70,000, you know, fifteen years ago was $30,000 It's like, that doesn't make sense or rent, cost of living, it just, it like, it's not to mention if you go back to the fifties, you know, a guy that was a painter that painted houses, he owned his own home, know, a 2,000 square foot on a little quarter acre lot in town and they had two cars and all of that off of one simple salary. Now to have that same cost, you know, way of living, you have to have two six figure careers to live like someone did in the 50s.
Robert Kiyosaki:Yeah, and there's a lot of reasons for it, but primarily our dollar is fake, It's not real money. And so, the average person goes to school to work hard for money, to save money and get out of debt. And because of a lack of financial education, which is my shtick, the dollar is debt. They're called US bonds, treasuries. And you go to a financial planner and they'll tell you, Oh, the sixtyforty, which is 60% equities, 40% bonds.
Robert Kiyosaki:Well, the whole thing's crashing right now. And we have the baby boom generation I'm a member of, who are retiring. We're out of time. And so, I wrote another book called Who Stole My Pension? And our pensions are looted.
Robert Kiyosaki:But that's the manipulation from what Buckminster Fuller called the grunt of giants, the gross universal cash ice, how our wealth is stolen via our money. And our school systems, those Marxists, they say, Well, go to school, get a job, work hard, save money. That's how you get it stolen. That's how you get your money stolen because they don't put anything in here, you know? And they have no financial education at all.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, after Bucky kicked my butt and says, What does God want done? See, back here is my cash flow board game. I wrote Rich Dad Poor Dad. Twenty five years, Rich Dad Poor Dad is still number one internationally. And it's a very simple book, as you know.
Robert Kiyosaki:Your house is not an asset. Savers don't save. Savers are losers. And things like that, very simple things. But our wealth is being stolen by going to school to get a job.
Seth Holehouse:One way I look at it, I interviewed a guy named David Jensen recently, who really understands, especially one of his strengths, understanding the LBMA and the paper paper gold and paper silver and how they've manipulated these prices and, what happened, you know, in '71 when they took the dollar off the gold standard and how basically gold and silver were this were this kind of he referred as like the canary in the coal mine. Were this warning signal because you saw over the next ten years, gold and silver were hitting record highs every month, but it was because they were just they were over printing because they could now print unlimited. But one thing that David Jensen kind of framed, and one way he framed it, which really stuck with me is that they have this basic formula, which is inflate, collapse, acquire. So, what they do is that, and this is I look at it, is that they've through the school or even now you go to your local, you know, your TD, or your wealth advisor, your Vanguard, you know, who runs your IRA. What they've done is I see it is that they've convinced everyone to put all of our hard work and all of our assets into these fake assets that they can inflate the value of.
Seth Holehouse:So, dollar savings accounts, stock markets, bond, all these assets they have control, they're actually fake, that they can inflate the value that everyone keeps thinking. Like, talked to my friends and they're like, Oh my gosh, our house is worth $800,000 on Zillow now, like I'm rich, right? They, because these in values, because they've printed so much money that now the housing prices are so high, the stock market seems like it's so high, but in my opinion, it's a reflection of the money supply, which has been greatly over inflated, but then once it gets to a point they can't inflate it anymore, then everyone has all their assets and these fake things, they collapse, all the prices go down, everyone loses everything, and they come in and they scoop it up. It's like in 02/2008, '2 thousand and '9, how now our taxpayer money is funding these giant banks and, you know, financial institutions to come buy our houses for pennies on the dollar. So, just inflate, collapse, acquire, right?
Seth Holehouse:This is cycle to keep siphoning away the real value while we're in the rat race chasing the fake numbers.
Robert Kiyosaki:Right. And it goes back again, I'm not trying to blame anybody, but our academic system's a big problem with it. You know, They teach gender bending and they're racist. Black lives matter. All lives matter.
Robert Kiyosaki:You know what I mean? They've gone so far off track. That was my portent. These academics are Marxists, basically. They believe in taxation, labor unions, all the things I don't really want.
Robert Kiyosaki:But I'm concerned, again, as Fuller says, people cannot get out of the way of things they cannot see. So, because we learn nothing at school, they can't see anything. Because money is just this thing floating around out there. So, they can't see it. It's, Oh, my house went up.
Robert Kiyosaki:What it meant was your dollar came down. Or gold, when I was buying gold, it was $35 an ounce, and today it's about 3,500, I think. And did gold go up or did the dollar come down? And the average person says, Oh, gold went up. Or Bitcoin, I have a lot of Bitcoin.
Robert Kiyosaki:Bitcoin's going up. No, your dollar's coming down. And so, what's happening is, it concerns me, I've never seen homelessness like this before. Why is homelessness exploding? And I really haven't got a good answer yet.
Robert Kiyosaki:They blame it on drugs and mental illness, which is part of the problem. But homelessness is a major problem. Go to LA or San Francisco, Hawaii, wherever it's nice and They're not stupid people. They got one trip to Hawaii and they're homeless, living in paradise on their beach and they get fed. So, socialism, as I say, socialism works for those who don't work.
Robert Kiyosaki:And America is no longer a capitalist system, we're socialists, hardcore socialists. So, anyway, that's kind of my big picture shtick.
Seth Holehouse:So, want
Robert Kiyosaki:One last This book here, this book is exactly what I'm talking about. This is called The Creature from Jackal Island. Have you read this book?
Seth Holehouse:Oh, have. And I've actually interviewed G. Edward Griffin before. He's a brilliant man. It looks like yours is very heavily read.
Robert Kiyosaki:Oh man, I studied. And I flunked at a school. I'm a really stupid person. But anyway, he says it in here, it says, Bailout is the name of the game. And I went, wow, it's exactly true.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, the bankers go and screw the whole system up. When it collapses, we pay them billions of dollars and the taxpayer pays for it. So, that's the system. Our money is fake, it's corrupt. It's no longer capitalism, it's really crony capitalism, so the rich get richer.
Robert Kiyosaki:And I like it personally, I like getting richer, but I feel from my fellow human beings who are working harder and harder and harder and can't get ahead. So, send their kids to school And Mr. Obama made sure all they got at school was student loan debt. So, our student loan debts were 1,600,000,000,000.0 today. So, we've screwed the poor kids.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, if you come from a rich family, my friends are all rich, they pay for the kids' education. But you come from a middle class or a lower family, you leave school with like 30,000 or 50,000 in debt of the worst possible type of debt. It's a debt you can't forgive. It's like all of a trust around your net for your life. Thank you, Mr.
Robert Kiyosaki:Obama, Marxist.
Seth Holehouse:Exactly. But I'm curious though, so if we look at like, of right now, the Dow's at over 40,000, right, which is, you know, for a lot of people that have their life savings tied up in the stock market, they're just feeling, they're just thinking, gosh, you know, we're just flying high, and look how much the Dow is over 40,000. You know, this is this is a record. But, obviously, in my opinion, it's a bubble. It's a reflection of inflation and overprinting.
Seth Holehouse:Same, know, same reason why gold is so high, right? It's not the stock market is so high, it's just that the dollar's worth so little. But, when you talk about the idea of a crash or this reset of the financial system, I know it's hard to predict things, but what do you see the correction being? You know, if Dow's at say $40,000 because I've had some people say that Dow should be at $10,000 which would be huge if we lost 75% of the market, but what do you see? Because there's a lot of people that they say, Well, yes, Seth, you've been talking about stock market crash, and look at the Dow, it's over 40,000, and they, you know, I'm not going take my money out of there because it's safe and look how well it's doing, but what do you see?
Seth Holehouse:What are your predictions for the stock market?
Robert Kiyosaki:I don't care. I mean, I have stocks, but they're my stocks. I mean, back there is my cash flow board game. It's designed to teach people what our schools don't teach about money. And this is the real game board.
Robert Kiyosaki:It's a financial statement. And all these new pundits talk about financial literacy. Well, this is it. My rich dad said, This is your report card when you leave school, your financials. And 95% of people leaving school don't know what this is.
Robert Kiyosaki:This is called an income statement. Income, balance sheet, statement of cash flow. The average professor has not an effing clue. They're all like my poor dad. I have job security and I have a pension.
Robert Kiyosaki:I'm going, and you're teaching our kids, you idiot? So, I really hated school. I mean, I flunked out of school. I mean, I graduated from a great school. I had appointments in Naval Academy and Merchant Marine Academy because I'm more military than anything else.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, I served in the US Marine Corps for two years. I mean, I have two terms, two tour lists. And I flew this little baby here. This was what I flew in Vietnam. It was a helicopter gunship.
Robert Kiyosaki:It was the most feared weapon of the Viet Cong, because I could go right down and kill them face to face at an unfair advantage. And it was terrible because they were just doing what I was doing. They defended their country. That's a long way of saying it, is that we're going to war pretty soon. Because when you look at history, because history proves people don't learn from history, it always starts with a currency war, trade war, shooting war.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, if you look at our Americas, so it goes currency war, trade war, kinetic war, shooting. So, the first thing that happens is they start monkeying with the money. They start printing money. So, then there was a tariff. It was called the Boston Tea Party.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, this is how it goes. It went 1773, Boston Tea Party. The tax war, seventeen seventy six, revolutionary. We're on the edge of that right now because we're printing so much money. And when Trump and he's Trump's a good friend of mine here, wrote two books together.
Robert Kiyosaki:And we're going to a shooting war with China. We're already at a shooting war in Israel and The Ukraine. But I was just in the South Pacific with a group called the Eagle Society. And the Eagle Society is a great organization, is that they take you to the real, like D Day in Normandy and all this. But they actually have, their historians are Ambrose historians.
Robert Kiyosaki:And their historians don't learn from the textbook. Ambrose historians have to learn by living on the land and interviewing the people. And in a war, they interview the soldiers, not the generals. So, I've been interviewed many times with them because I was a little measly look, marine lieutenant flying these things around out there. And so the war I saw wasn't the war they reported in the news.
Robert Kiyosaki:It was a bunch of lies. So, the Vietnam War was all this, we're getting asses kicked out here. So I was on tour with these guys in the South Pacific and I met this Marine who actually fought at Hacksaw Ridge, movie by, I think it was Clint Eastwood or Spielberg, Hacksaw Ridge. And this Marine is there, he's 100 years old. And he's telling us what it was like to be a US Marine, I was a US Marine, to be fighting the Japanese with the Japs, you know.
Robert Kiyosaki:And I'm Japanese, I'm going, and I can feel from both sides. And there's like 18,000 people still missing up there on that ridge. But then, think was Eastwood who did that show, movie, Hacksaw Ridge. There was a guy named Dawes, Dominic Dawes or something, who was a conscious objector and he still served. I mean, he's Dawson, D W E and he refused to carry a gun.
Robert Kiyosaki:Yeah, who put it on?
Seth Holehouse:Let's see, actually.
Robert Kiyosaki:It's such a good movie.
Seth Holehouse:It actually directed by Mel Gibson.
Robert Kiyosaki:Oh, okay. Yeah,
Seth Holehouse:2016. Directed by, I didn't know it was actually directed by Mel Gibson. It makes sense.
Robert Kiyosaki:His
Seth Holehouse:shows have that depth to them oftentimes, yeah.
Robert Kiyosaki:Right, so to actually stand there with this Marine who was a hundred years old, and he's telling us what it was like to be up there fighting. It was like the war came straight into my head, you know what mean? Because he was so there with it. And then you go to school and you have a guy who studies World War II from the history books, he wonder why he fall asleep. Do you know what I mean?
Robert Kiyosaki:So, there's so much our schools are not doing for us. I'm a US Marine. I went to military school, spent two tours in Vietnam, went down three times. And my most important job was bringing my men home alive. So, as a Marine Lieutenant, I went there with 16 men, all 16 of us walked off the plane.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, good for you.
Robert Kiyosaki:In the Air Force place. And he immediately got hit by rotten eggs and spit on by the hippies. All the love of Woodstock generation. And I swear to God, saw Nancy Pelosi and Sanders in that crowd. Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:Well, I mean, John Kerry over here spinning his lies about what was happening. I mean, the agenda was thick already.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, I mean, your program Man in America is important because you got people who are talking about from what they actually see and do versus a textbook.
Seth Holehouse:Exactly, exactly. And so, you mentioned the war cycle, and there's a little documentary called All Wars Are Bankers' Wars, which, and you can see it too, you can see that, and this is also, you know, Martin Armstrong, who I'm a big fan of, he's a good friend, that he can just look at what's happening with currencies and with money, and he can know exactly when these wars are starting. And I also, I share a similar perspective on China that I am greatly concerned about also I think that they're in a very weakened state right now. Think that there's issues and trouble in their country that they won't let the world see, but that are very real. And that I think that we are seeing a lot of the beginnings of, you know, some sort of kinetic war, and there's people that say, Oh, we'll never be in a kinetic war with China.
Seth Holehouse:And it's like, well, a lot of people say we'll never have a lot of things happen, and history tells us time and again that they end up do happening.
Robert Kiyosaki:History repeats, we don't learn from it. So, this here is a book called The Big Print by Lawrence Lepard, I recommend. It's about how America got rich by printing money and buying things. So, we don't produce much, we just buy it with fake money. And that was a reserve currency in 1944.
Robert Kiyosaki:But it says here, so it's called the big print. It says, The broken money system gives one group of citizens an unfair advantage. Me, I love it. If you're financially educated, it's the best thing. That's why I teach the games and all this stuff.
Robert Kiyosaki:It also grants undue power to the government. This is fake money. It's undue power to the fake government, which has led to a lot of bad policies and perpetual war. Perpetual war. Because when you can print money, you can fight wars.
Robert Kiyosaki:Wars are expensive. So, after two tours in Vietnam, getting off the plane in Norton Air Force Base, 19 70 2, and getting hit by the rotten eggs and spit on by hippies. And today, see them as politicians. Something's wrong, my friend. Something's wrong with America.
Robert Kiyosaki:We're now Marxists.
Seth Holehouse:I couldn't agree more. And so, if we're looking at this massive reset on the horizon, which I in my opinion, 02/2008, the housing bubble, it's like, okay, that was so isolated compared to where we are now, is a quadrillion, multi quadrillion dollar debt bubble, right? The derivatives markets, and it's so unsustainable, the money printing. And, I've even felt that even all the money printing, you know, sending money over to Ukraine was another, you know, the politicians knew that the collapse was coming, knew the dollar was nearing its end. And so, they're just looking, how can we siphon as much money off as possible and launder it through FTX, and through Ukraine, and through the black weapons market, you know, everything, because they know that this is coming.
Seth Holehouse:And so, with this foresight of thinking, there is this massive change happening. The one thing you also find is that whether it's war, financial collapse, famine, whatever it is, most people suffer, but the people that saw it coming and acted, not only do they not suffer, but they actually have an opportunity to become very, very, very wealthy. And not that we want to suffer off of the, you know, kind of, you know, become rich off the suffering of our fellow Americans, but I think that if there's more good people that can see this coming and can prepare, you know, accordingly, it's not just going to be the Wall Street Bankers that walk away with a suitcase full of cash while everyone else is penniless. Like, we can also be in that position. And so, what is your advice for people since this is coming, but want to position themselves, in a way that they can actually really potentially change the course of their own family's fortunes through their actions?
Seth Holehouse:Like, what would you say for someone in preparation for an event like this?
Robert Kiyosaki:Well, I think you and I started at the top of your show at the start. People say, Well, nothing's changing. Again, the problem is people do not get, our abutments are fuller. People cannot get out of the way of things they cannot see moving towards them. It's like this giant truck is coming on the road, but you can't see it.
Robert Kiyosaki:But it's already hit. And you can see it in the money. The price of gold, the price of real estate. Every time you print money, the rich get richer. God bless them.
Robert Kiyosaki:I'm making so much money today, but the trouble with printing money, it causes inflation in assets. So, when you print money in assets like gold or a house or in stocks, they go up. But Mr. And Mrs. Public.
Robert Kiyosaki:They have no assets. So, there's inflation also. But it's in food, eggs and chicken. You know what I mean? So, the poor are getting poor because they're idiots.
Robert Kiyosaki:They went to school. They sent their kids to school and learned nothing about money. Are you kidding me? How stupid can you be? But they drank the Kool Aid of go to school, get a job, work hard, save money, get out of debt and invest in the stock market.
Robert Kiyosaki:Who told you that bullshit? Do you know what I mean? A school teacher. And I come from a family of school teachers. So, I'm the dummy in the family because I only have a Bachelor of Science degree, which stands for BS.
Robert Kiyosaki:They have their Masters and PhDs. I say, Yes, but I have a higher degree than you. I said, Yeah, but I got one of these things here. They call it financial statement. And this is my report card.
Robert Kiyosaki:When I go to see my banker, this is what my banker wants to see. Wanna see how smart I am with my money. The here, the reason I created the board game is you have to understand that that's Rich Poor Dad, the whole thing's a financial statement. Rich Dad Poor Dad has a book on accounting, most boring subject on earth. I flunked out of that school too.
Robert Kiyosaki:I was on the MBA program at University of Hawaii. I was still flying from the Marine Corps out of Hawaii. And I sat there listening to this accounting teacher and he didn't know anything. I sat down, but he was textbook smart. But I was asking about, how do I pay zero taxes?
Robert Kiyosaki:What about depreciation? He says, you have to pay taxes. So, who told you that? America was founded in 1773 on a tax revolt. Taxes didn't start again until the civil war.
Robert Kiyosaki:Why don't you study history, you stupid teacher? Don't teach kids if you're stupid. You know what I mean? So, I hang around. I got into fights all the time with academic types.
Robert Kiyosaki:But you know the academic types are the ones who are running our country today. Like what's her, Janet Yellen? She's not an economist. I think she's a labor lawyer or something. And she took our short term debt.
Robert Kiyosaki:She took our long term debt and made it short term. Now we have a massive, massive debt problem to rule over our debt. Thank you, Janet, Professor Yellen. I think she's from Berkeley or something like that. I'm going, holy mackerel, we're run by a bunch of villagittiists I call professors.
Robert Kiyosaki:My God, just look at what's happening. But they can't see it, so you cannot get out of the way of things you cannot see. When you look around you, why is the price of gold going up? Because the purchasing power of the dollar is coming down. Life is getting harder and harder for 90%.
Robert Kiyosaki:Ten % are getting richer and richer. So, Dad Poor Dad is about how you can be the 10%, not the 90%. And you do that by playing games. Well, I wasn't on my game. Well, you have to figure this out with your hands and brain and all this.
Robert Kiyosaki:Oh, I follow Maria Montessori, one of the greatest educational entrepreneurs. She was a genius, boy. And she said, What the hand does, the mind remembers. In other words, the way humans are designed to learn is with this. You think Tiger Woods became the greatest golfer on earth reading a book or listening to lectures?
Robert Kiyosaki:Hither go out there and make mistakes. He's hit more bad golf balls than I ever will. But that's why he's a world champion. He made a lot of mistakes. So, our academic system is so destroying our world and our country right now.
Robert Kiyosaki:Just look at Janet Yellen. I mean, wake up. I I would listen to a college professor. I mean, they think they are smart. They really are AI, artificial intelligence.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, when somebody says, What's AI? I said, A college degree. Because, see, I'm a lot of school.
Seth Holehouse:I feel lucky because I went to art school. So, was always an And so, went, you know, and somehow I came out of a liberal art school with this mission to fight communism instead of the mission to promote communism. But, I spent a lot of my high school and my art, my college career, sculpting, drawing, painting, building, which was great, because I wasn't learning all the academic BS. And so, I left from there and I thought it was a blank slate. So, I became an entrepreneur and never looked back.
Robert Kiyosaki:Well, the reason I applaud you, the reason I like games, I learned everything playing Monopoly. You know, I mean, it's not that tough. Four greenhouses, ten third, one red hotel. I own red hotels all over the world. I have 15,000 rental units.
Robert Kiyosaki:I pay no tax. Real estate, you don't have to pay taxes if you know what you're doing. And I'm a billion 2 in debt. But what the game teaches, I had a rich dad, he was a great guy. There's four intelligences.
Robert Kiyosaki:We have mental, physical. Can't learn to play golf with just mentaling it. Physical, mental, emotional. What happens when you make a mistake, when you lose money? Well, emotion kicks in.
Robert Kiyosaki:Or I have a bad temper. Somebody says, Man, I got angry, I'm gonna lose my temper, instead of being stoic. But the third the fourth one is spiritual. So it's mental, emotional, physical, spiritual.
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Robert Kiyosaki:And the reason I say it's good that you went to art school is because we have two brains, right brain and left brain. So, I was more right brain than left brain. I was on display at the Academy of Arts at Honolulu. So, what makes a person smart is they have left brain, the numbers, and the right brain, the creativity side. So, you have the creativity side.
Robert Kiyosaki:If I could pitch my game, just play the game, your left brain will kick in and you go, Oh. And there's a lot of left brain people like Janet Yellen and the professionals at schools, they have no right brain. They're the most boring individuals on planet earth. You don't say, Hey, professor, let's go out and have a drink. You might get away from those guys.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, you have to have a right brain, a left brain, and four intelligences, mental, physical, spiritual, emotion. So, that's what our games teach. And that's why, you know, my family says to me, I have a master's degree. I have a financial statement. But I'm debt free.
Robert Kiyosaki:I'm a billion 2 in debt. But I have a lot in savings. I said, I don't save money. I save gold, silver, and Bitcoin. But man, we're in two different worlds right now, Seth.
Robert Kiyosaki:We're as divided as they come. And this is my good friend here and he's kicking butt. So, I don't know what's gonna happen, only time will tell. But man, he's got a lot of guts because in this picture here, the patches on his ear, he was shot the day before. And he and I were sitting there yakking.
Robert Kiyosaki:He was asking me what it's like to get shot at from this thing here. I said, Donald, I like getting shot at because I could shoot back. And he went, Oh, that's a big difference. So, we're all different, South. You know what mean?
Robert Kiyosaki:We're all wired up differently. So, like what you're doing with men in America, is you're giving men, or anybody who wants us to be, a voice out there. We fought for the freedom of speech. And that's being lost today.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. Well, this is also, this is where I think the battle is at too, is information. And so, you know, instead of carrying a muzzleloader a couple hundred years ago, I've got a microphone, right? That's my way of fighting. And so, let's just say someone's watching this and say they've got most of their life savings sitting in a four zero one ks, which is divided between stocks and bonds, right?
Seth Holehouse:They're existing in that way, right? Because they're following what they were told, you know, they work till they're 65, they save, they built their four zero one ks, they retired. You know, you mentioned before that people can't get out of the way from something they can't see coming, which is so true, right? If you don't know that there's a hurricane coming, you're going to be out there grilling hot dogs in the back porch when the hurricane hits. You know it's coming, you've either left the region or, you know, you're in a hurricane zone and you've already built a, you've got a bunker in the backyard and you know, that'd be me, right?
Seth Holehouse:But for people that do sense this and they see it, but they're not sure what to do, like should they leave their assets in stock markets and bonds? What do you recommend? What can people do now to position themselves to weather this hurricane?
Robert Kiyosaki:Well, don't give, I'm not a financial planner, I would never be one and don't give advice. And the reason I have a cash flow board game in the back of me, you can see that that's the rat race. That's when people go to school in the rat race. Outside is a fast track. My goal was our goals change when our abilities change.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, rather than buying IBM or Apple stock and all this, my goal as a kid was to take a company public. That's what real entrepreneurs do. So, I've taken three companies public now. Gold companies, silver company, I'm gonna take a lithium company public. Lithium is for EVs, electric batteries.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, I go to the New York Stock Exchange or NASDAQ or Toronto Stock Exchange, putting them the thing. And I make millions, millions, selling shares of my company. I don't buy stocks. Sell Okay, but that takes education. And that's why I hang out with the Donald here and we think differently.
Robert Kiyosaki:You know, when Hillary Clinton attacked him saying, You know, Donald, you don't pay taxes. He goes, That means I'm smart. But these Nazis are like, yeah, the Clintons and Obama's world, and the Bidens, oh my God, I've never seen such crooks in my life. I don't know them personally, but it's, you know, Trump puts a wall up and Biden takes the wall down and 13,000,000 immigrants team across the border, and we put them up in hotels. And the first thing that Biden did was cut the Keystone pipeline, which brought oil from Canada.
Robert Kiyosaki:Well, I'm an oil guy too, I sell oil. And I own oil at Wells. I thought, Oh, thank you, Joe. It just took me a big flavor. Because I was pumping oil at about $30 a barrel.
Robert Kiyosaki:And when Biden cut that pipe in the Keystone pipeline, oil went to $130 a barrel. So, that communist Marxist son of a bitch Biden made me a rich man. I'm not complaining, but he fucked the middle class. The price of oil goes up, makes everything expensive. And he did it intentionally.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, that's why I say when I got off the plane in Norton Air Force Base in 1972, I got hit by rotten eggs, all these hippies out there from the Wittlestock generation that's spitting on me. They're now our politicians. And they're professors.
Seth Holehouse:A lot of them, you know, those young kids now, they went into academia. They're the professors, they're the policymakers. Yeah.
Robert Kiyosaki:You can see it both sides of it, you know what I mean?
Seth Holehouse:Exactly, exactly.
Robert Kiyosaki:I swear to God, saw Nancy Pelosi and Bernie Sanders and Chuck Schumer out there, but they were a lot younger then.
Seth Holehouse:He probably did, yeah. Who knows what kind of love affair was going on with those three.
Robert Kiyosaki:Now you know, I got in front of school so many times.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. So, I want to talk a little bit about Silver, right? Because I obviously know that you're big on X-ray. I'll pull up one of your recent posts because it's worth reading, and I recommend people follow you over on X as well because you're consistently you're not just spouting off random things, you're writing really good information. So, said, please listen to gold, silver, and Bitcoin.
Seth Holehouse:What are they telling you? Gold is an all time high, demand for silver is exploding, and Bitcoin is roaring. Are you listening? Repeating myself, I warned of the biggest stock and bond market crash in history was coming in my previous book Rich Dad's Prophecy, Who Stole My Pension, etc. The giant crash has arrived.
Seth Holehouse:But here you say though, those who take action and acquire real gold, silver, and Bitcoin may come out of this premeditated disaster, the new rich and the new leaders of the world. So, I also know that you've put some information about silver. Think this is another tweet you had for silver. Yeah, here, good news for people with not much money. I'm boring.
Seth Holehouse:I'm buying more silver eagles today. Actually, yesterday I bought 60 more silver eagles I found, you know, a friend of mine was selling. It's like, okay, great. Get them, throw them in the safe. It says, So the good news is silver is the biggest investment bargain today.
Seth Holehouse:Gold has already hit all time highs, I have plenty of Bitcoin, silver is still 50% below its all time high, I'd say about $35. So, also really important here, it says your profit is made when you buy, not when you sell. And it's interesting actually because I sold side plan, I used to work, I used to have a few different businesses in the jewelry industry, and I would buy jewelry and watches and diamonds and things, and that was always it. Like, I'd get more excited when I could buy well. I remember one time I bought this Art Deco Cartier Tiara, and it was this beautiful 1920s platinum Cartier, which actually ended up selling it back to Cartier for their archives.
Seth Holehouse:Remember the day that we bought that, right? And I won't get into the details of it, we bought it for, you know, it was a low 6 figure purchase. I mean, it was an expensive Tiara, but it was also a 6 figure profit on the sale of it, right? Because, again, you know, when you buy it right, that that's key. Like that's where you make your money in buying, not in waiting for your assets to grow.
Seth Holehouse:It's like you buy well. So, when you talk about silver, I always keep this little 10 ounce chunk on my desk here, I like the feeling of it. But why the belief in silver that you have?
Robert Kiyosaki:Gold and silver are money, everything else is credit, debt, in other words. So, that way I said is this here is a $19.64 and a half dollar. There's no copper on it. It's pure silver. So, it's 64.
Robert Kiyosaki:And I hold up things like this. So, here's $5 This is $5 This is the silver. Which one do you want? This is a half dollar. This is $5 Which do most people take?
Robert Kiyosaki:This. And I say, in ten years, you'll need probably 100 of these to buy that. My job is not to give them the answer. My job is to come to think. So, why would I rather have this half dollar than $5 Just a long term store of value.
Robert Kiyosaki:But they're printing this now, is it $36,000,000,000,000 on debt right now?
Seth Holehouse:I think it's close to 37,000,000,000,000, right around 30. And
Robert Kiyosaki:if you were to pay $1 a second back, it would take you thirty two thousand six hundred and eighty eight years to pay off trillion dollars. And we print it like nothing. No, but I'd rather have this than this. So, when I was a kid, I was just holding up, it was a quarter on those. I said, Why is it copper?
Robert Kiyosaki:It was a 65. Why is it copper? And that was Gresham's law. Gresham's law states, When bad money enters the system, good money goes to hiding. So, immediately, I started going to the, I go in caddy because my parents had no money in academics, anyway.
Robert Kiyosaki:I go in caddy and I take my dollar. I got a dollar for nine holes. So if I carry two bags for nine holes, I got $2. And then I go to the bank and I trade it in for waters, 25¢ pieces. And if it had copper, I'd throw it away.
Robert Kiyosaki:But if it was silver, I'd keep it. So, I went away to school. I went to military school in New York. I come home to Hawaii. I said, Hey, mom, where's my bag of silver?
Robert Kiyosaki:She says, I spent it. And that's why poor people are poor. They don't know real money from fake money. It's that simple.
Seth Holehouse:Gosh. You know, I had a gold buying business a couple years back when I was back in Ohio, and I had a client came in and his parents had owned convenience stores growing up. And he brought in big bags of, you know, the pure, you know, 90% silver, right? You know, dimes and quarters and I bought them at spot, which was great because at that time, I think at that time silver was $17 an ounce, right? So, I just put them on the scale and calculated it and just bought them at the silver, you know, value.
Seth Holehouse:But that was the thing though, that it's exactly so he would do is every day at the end of the day, he'd go through all the change they took in at the convenience store, and he'd pull out all the, you know, pre, you know, 'sixty two or 'sixty three, 'sixty four, you know, whether the half dollars, the quarters, the dimes, and he accumulated and he probably brought in, I don't know, 5,000 worth of coins that their face value might've been, you know, a hundred bucks or a couple hundred bucks.
Robert Kiyosaki:Again, that's Gresham's law. When bad money enters the system, good money goes into hiding. And some of the guys, I say to a lot of people, that's what I love about YouTube. I can listen to opinions. There's one guy who was saying Gresham's law means humans intuitively know real from fake.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, the reason Gretchen's law works is as a kid, when I picked up the little water here, 1965, I said, wait a minute. Something intuitively, intuition went, something's wrong. Something is wrong. But the average person, because they went to school, that intuition is processed out. Go to school, get a job, work hard, save money, get out of debt, and invest in the stock market.
Robert Kiyosaki:You're basically Pavlovian's dogs. You know, bark, bark, bark, bark. They're the most stupid people. The Fed has 4,000 PhDs in there. Holy mackerel.
Robert Kiyosaki:All like Janet Yellen. That's why Trump told Powell, I'm gonna fire you. Mean, I don't know if Trump's gonna He's a good friend of mine. And only time will tell how policies work out. But I like what he's doing.
Robert Kiyosaki:He's gonna shut down the Department of Education. He must have shut down the Kremlin while he's at it, because it's the same thing.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, well, I'd love to see him shut down the IRS. I mean, there's a lot of things I'd love to see, which I'm hoping happen. Actually, it's funny because you mentioned the $5 bill and the coin, and I think there was a video that I saw recently, where there was a guy it was one like the man on the street type interviews, a guy's just walking up to random people, and I think that what he's doing is he's offering them, I think he has a one ounce of gold coin or a hundred dollar bill, and he's saying, Do you want the gold coin or the $100 bill? And most of the people, and maybe it was selectively edited, I don't know, but most of the people that he showed took the $100 bill, instead of the gold coin. I think a lot of people don't recognize real money anymore.
Seth Holehouse:They think that a wad of hundreds is real money.
Robert Kiyosaki:Right. And that's why this guy I was listening to, he says, Humans aren't stupid, but we go to school. And it takes our intuition out. It takes our intuition away. And we listen to what we think our authorities, not really religious, but they're called false prophets, they're called professors.
Robert Kiyosaki:And I grew up in Professorville. And my poor dad was head of the teachers union. And he went, Marx, unions are Marxists. Workers of the world unite Karl Marx. And I sit there listening to these professors talk about, I thought they'd a meeting about education.
Robert Kiyosaki:No, it was about they wanted more money and more time off. That's all the teachers union was about. That's the Department of Education. Now, we have to have teachers. Don't get me wrong.
Robert Kiyosaki:But one of the best lessons I got, was seven years old in Sunday school. And I hated going to Sunday school. I just hated sitting in a classroom anyway. So, there's a little Sunday school teacher, she was really cute, about 25 years old. She goes, Okay, why were the three wise men wise?
Robert Kiyosaki:I thought about it, you know. I raised my hand and she goes, Why? Because they were rich. She goes, Rich? How'd you get there very rich?
Robert Kiyosaki:She said, Man, they went to see Jesus with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. That stuff costs money. She says, You think they were wise because they were rich? I said, Yeah. She says, So, I said, What's your answer?
Robert Kiyosaki:She says, They are wise because they're looking for the best teacher. And that's YouTube today. You can seek the best teacher that fits your belief system if it works for you. And not here to censor who you learn from. But it's the important thing of seeking your best teacher.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, right after that, I was 10, I went to seek my rich dad. And the thing that kinda kicked my butt was, as I was telling you, I was caddying. And I went to a rich school, rich kid's school. I mean, I wasn't rich, but due to the way the boundaries were set, I was on the rich side. And I'm sitting in the caddy shack.
Robert Kiyosaki:My classmates are in the country club. And, you know, kids are, I go, Why is that? Why are they in the clubhouse, and I'm in the Caddy Shack? Why do they eat in the dining room, And why do they go out to the back door and buy a hamburger, you know, like a dog sitting in the back of the house? So, those are the life's events that we all have.
Robert Kiyosaki:But if we don't trust our intuition that something's wrong, or this is not right, whatever it is, then you've been bred out of you. Go to school, get a job, save money, get out of debt, invest long term in the stock market, stock sponsorship funds, ETFs. I wouldn't do any of that. So, do you have the courage to go with your intuition? That's the hard part.
Robert Kiyosaki:Gotta trust yourself.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, no, you're right. It's really important actually. A, I think that they've intentionally bred that out of us through the education system primarily. It's also, you know, like my parents were both, you know, not to talk down them, but they're wage slaves, right? They were a slave to, you know, my daddy worked at AT and T and you know, he had a good job and it was supported us, but he was tied to this career that if he was lucky, he'd keep his job till he was 65 and be able to retire.
Seth Holehouse:But he was a slave to that wage and maybe he'd get a 5% raise every year, but then he put all the, a lot of his savings were in his four zero one ks in the stock market, and so come.com crash, you know, he lost 90% of his savings that were all sitting in the stock market. And, you know, took, we never really recovered from it, actually. Like, took years, It took years to find some sense of stability again after that.
Robert Kiyosaki:And that's the plan. That's how you steal your money legally. They have the ability to change the laws and things like that. So, it's like Look at this here. This was my second book.
Robert Kiyosaki:Was called The Cashflow Quadrant. And so, E stands for employee. So, our schools, it's number two. It goes, go to school, get a job, or work hard, say, blah, blah, blah, And this is self employed, small business. So, what happens is employees pay 40% of the income in taxes.
Robert Kiyosaki:This is worldwide. So, a person quits their job, becomes an entrepreneur, they pay 60%. And the issue is, can you get down here? This is big business. This is Elon Musk, Apple.
Robert Kiyosaki:And I stands for insider. So, if you're a big business owner, you pay 20% tax. If you're an inside investor, zero. And so, I present that, don't do it anymore. I presented at a college.
Robert Kiyosaki:I presented at Arizona State University that, almost put, teachers revolted. So, you're teaching kids not to pay taxes. Asked the teacher, the professor, I said, Have you read the Communist Manifesto? No. I said, Taxes are as un American as they get.
Robert Kiyosaki:What Marx said about taxes is a graduated income tax is essential for the spread of communism. So, America was a tax free nation in 1773. So, that's the first revolt. 1776 was war. So, this is the fourth turning coming to action right now is that, let's just read this here.
Robert Kiyosaki:This is The Big Print by Larry Lapard. He goes, This book is written because a system has been set up and controlled by a so called group of elite financial and government people who don't care about you, your well-being. They've tilted the board game in their favor. So, that's what I, Rich said, I teach is that's a board game tilted in your favor. And one of the ways you get into your favor is when you look at, this is the real game board, it's a financial statement.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, you learn to be an accountant in many ways. But this is the difference. For the poor middle class focus on here, income and expense, all reduce expenses. This is what the rich focus on. It's called the balance sheet, assets and liabilities.
Robert Kiyosaki:And this is called the statement of cash flow, which is the board game cash flow. So, I teach financial literacy because all of this is words. What's an asset? What's a liability? What's an income?
Robert Kiyosaki:What's an expense? What's a statement of cash flow? And I go, Oh, that's so hard. I go, Well, look at this. You're rich or greedy, as in we're not greedy.
Robert Kiyosaki:Words are free. Change of vocabulary, you change your life. And I remember, I'm not really religious, but, And the word became flesh and dwelt amongst us. So my poor dad always said, I can't afford it, I can't afford it. I'm a school teacher.
Robert Kiyosaki:The union should take care of me and the government should take care of me. Those are his words. And a rich dad says, Find a business, start it, take it public on New York Stock Exchange. That's what I do. And I get richer.
Robert Kiyosaki:I'd rather be rich than be a poor man like my father. Hate to say that. So, that's why I teach. When I talk about Buckminster Fuller, What Does God Want Done? I said, I better start teaching what my rich dad taught me.
Robert Kiyosaki:Because if I don't, I think I die anyway. It's like holding back when I should be giving. And the board game is all over the world, about 20 different languages. The board game, you buy it once and you can teach thousands of people. The game was designed for people to teach people, to avoid the school system where you're inducted into poverty.
Robert Kiyosaki:Can't think. I'm looking for a job, looking for a job, looking for a good four zero one ks, I Poor person.
Seth Holehouse:It's a trap.
Robert Kiyosaki:That's why I do what I do.
Seth Holehouse:Let me bring up your website, because actually, an hour has already gone past. Fifteen minutes, I guess we've been so deep into this discussion. So, your website is richdad.com. Now, I'm assuming people can buy your books, the board game, etc. Here, right?
Seth Holehouse:So, here's the board game, the cash flow game. You can get the books as well, right?
Robert Kiyosaki:Oh, this one up here is a little, it's a comic book, Escape from the Rat Race, a little bit lower. Right there, this one here, you can see me pointing down. That's for kids.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, great. How good. Good.
Robert Kiyosaki:Comic book. So, do my best to change up here. You change up here the brain, you can change your life. But if you go to school and get a job, you wind up here. Or this is a doctor or lawyer or accountant, the smart guys.
Robert Kiyosaki:So, when I asked my mother, what should I become? She said, why don't you become a doctor? I said, mom, you gotta be smart. She says, You're right, don't become a doctor. So, I followed my rich dad.
Robert Kiyosaki:My rich dad says, Come down here.
Seth Holehouse:Remember one of the
Robert Kiyosaki:Smart, change your words. And the words became flesh and dwelt amongst us. If you say, I can't afford it, guess what? You can't.
Seth Holehouse:Exactly. I read this book probably when I was 20, Think and Grow Rich, Napoleon Hill. And it was one of those very formative books. But it's all about mindset. It's about what's going on in here.
Seth Holehouse:Like, what are the limits that we're, what are the stories that we're telling ourselves that keep us trapped?
Robert Kiyosaki:Yeah. Know, words become flesh, change of words, words are free, assets, liabilities. You call a liability an asset, you're in trouble. And that's what people are doing. Another thing that's happening with AI, artificial intelligence, is the biggest gold mine in America I got for pennies.
Robert Kiyosaki:It's in Provo, Utah. And what happened was, in 1850, these guys were out there digging around, they struck this vein and became a highly producing gold mine, and then the vein tapped out. So, it was empty. So, they shut it down. And then this goofy friend of mine, do a lot of work in Vancouver, British Columbia, where the real entrepreneurs are.
Robert Kiyosaki:Also, some of the biggest crooks are up there. But any guy who's in mining is a crook anyway. So, he went up there and he says, Hey, guess what? I said, What? They found this old mine.
Robert Kiyosaki:I said, Yeah, it's tapped out. I said, Yeah. He says, We got all the records from those guys one hundred and fifty years ago. Went what? We took the books, you know?
Robert Kiyosaki:We applied AI to it. They missed the vein. Went what? These miners back then didn't have the technology, and they missed the vein. So, we got that gold mine for nothing because everybody thought it was tapped out.
Robert Kiyosaki:And then two years ago, we listed it on the New York Stock Exchange, made more money. That's the 1%. And I've always wanted to be in the 1%. I like the game. It's called cash flow.
Robert Kiyosaki:I like games. I love Monopoly. Four greenhouses, red hotel, don't pay taxes. As Marx says, a graduated income tax is essential to the spread of communism. So, when these guys say, Well, you shouldn't pay.
Robert Kiyosaki:If you don't pay taxes, you're un American. I said, America was founded on the Boston Tea Party. It was the tax revolt. But you can't tell them that. No, you can't tell them that.
Robert Kiyosaki:Mm-mm. They don't want to know. Don't teach pigs to sing. It wastes your time. It annoys the pig.
Robert Kiyosaki:Favorite thing is Yeah,
Seth Holehouse:goats maybe cook.
Robert Kiyosaki:How many times have you tried to teach a pig?
Seth Holehouse:Well, we don't have pigs yet. I might try teaching my goats to sing. They're pretty vocal. It's frustrating as hell.
Robert Kiyosaki:You know, because you run to all the belief systems and all this. So, may have, if this is a financial, they may have nothing down here, but they're living debt free and going, big deal. I have a job. I have a four zero one. And I have savings.
Robert Kiyosaki:I don't have any of those things. But you've got to have those things. Go to school, get a job or a car, save money, get out of debt and invest in the stock market. That's not education, that's called indoctrination.
Seth Holehouse:It absolutely is, it is. Well, Mr. Kiyosaki, know that your time is tight and you've given us already more than an hour. So, I wanna be, you know, conscious of that, and, let me bring up your website, again. It's just richdad.com.
Seth Holehouse:Easy, easy to remember. I'll put it in the description as well. So, yeah, Mr. Kiyosaki, thank you for everything that you've done. Thank you for, you know, what you've made your mission in educating people in a way that, is not going to lead them into wage slavery.
Seth Holehouse:Do you have any thoughts as we're wrapping up here?
Robert Kiyosaki:Well, again, the reason I created the cash flow board game was so people could teach people. You don't need to go to Obama school system and get deeply in debt. So, you buy the cash flow board game, you play it 10 times and you teach 10 people, you'll see a whole different world. The hand does, Maria Montessori, What the hand does, the mind remembers. And we sit in school listening to a teacher who has no idea what they're talking about.
Robert Kiyosaki:I'd rather play this game here. And then go teach other people. And it's called give and you shall receive. What you're doing with men in America is your giving. And the juice always comes back.
Seth Holehouse:No, it does. It does. Well, thank you. Thank you. It's an honor to have you on the show.
Seth Holehouse:I really appreciate you giving me your time today.
Robert Kiyosaki:If you say, I'm Mr. Clay, again, Clark in Tulsa. He's a great guy.
Seth Holehouse:He is. Actually, I just talked to him before our interview, and he's always got a million things going on.
Robert Kiyosaki:A good guy. His mother just sat there. He has a great mom. That's one of the best things. If you have great parents, life's a lot better than people with bad parents.
Robert Kiyosaki:You could tell his mother supported him a lot, even though he's lunatic, he's insane, keeps going, and he doesn't know when to stop, but he's an amazing man.
Seth Holehouse:No, he is. He is. He absolutely
Robert Kiyosaki:is. So, thank you.
Seth Holehouse:Thank It's such a pleasure. Thank you very much.
Robert Kiyosaki:Thank you. So, hope
Seth Holehouse:you enjoyed that discussion with Robert. We hit on a bunch of different topics. It's just nice to speak to someone like that. This guy's really lived. He has a lot of lived experience.
Seth Holehouse:He's you know, probably made a lot of money, probably lost a lot of money. He's obviously been into into war, he was a helicopter pilot. So, you know, really interesting guy. But one thing that I wanted just to to highlight in that discussion, and this is a a core belief of mine, is that I personally, I fundamentally believe that some sort of massive reset is looming. Now, it could be two months from now, it could be two years from now.
Seth Holehouse:I I think it's probably not past five years, but the system that we are currently living in, this this fiat dollar based system, is at the end of its life cycle, right, and it's just it's just the reality, you know, fiat currencies have life cycles, but problem is that right now, you know, for the past, you know, however many, you know, decades and decades, that the fiat currency known as the US dollar has been the the global reserve currency. So we have this fiat currency that's dying, that's also has been the global reserve currency, the whole system is tied to this currency. And so when this this reset happens, because it can't go on forever, right, and this is just the reality, right, you keep blowing up a balloon, eventually it pops. And right now, there is a balloon which is called the global debt balloon, and the debt is literally in the quadrillions when you get into the derivatives, and this whole system, again, in my own opinion, is going to be changing, and it's going to rapidly change. And so, again, as per the conversation with Mr.
Seth Holehouse:Kiyosaki, if you're thinking what do you do, again, I'm not a financial advisor, do your own research, but for me, like I don't have any money sitting in the stock market. Now, I'm not like a guy like Robert, I didn't start companies and take them public, so I can't tell you that, but I don't have any of my assets sitting in the stock market, even within my savings account. I tried to keep very much money in my savings account, I don't trust the banks, I don't trust a number somewhere on some sort of screen that I log in and look at. Like, this is what I trust. I trust a piece of silver in my hand.
Seth Holehouse:I trust the land and the soil and my chickens. I trust my, you know, buckets of seeds and grains and food that I've set aside. And so, if you are looking for safety, looking for ways of protecting your assets, especially amidst a collapse, again, I'm not a financial advisor, do your research, but for me, it's this, It is hard assets. Precious metals, in my opinion, are the number one way to make it through any kind of financial collapse. Because not only are these values of these metals insanely undervalued through suppression by the big banks, but during a collapse scenario, after things level out a little bit, you you always see that gold and silver end up skyrocketing after that because everyone leave everyone then realizes, like, how the stock market lose 60% or 50% or 40% overnight?
Seth Holehouse:Like, the whole thing is rigged. So that's why I'm a big fan of gold and silver is that it's a real asset. It's not about speculating, it's not about, Oh, if I buy it at this price, I'm going get rich. Yes, of course, that'd be great, like I'd love to see silver hit a hundred bucks an ounce, which I think it will, I think we'll see well more than that, well beyond that, but it's really about looking at and saying, Okay, if there is a sort of global financial collapse, some sort of depression, Great Depression two point zero, I don't want to be the guy that loses everything. I want to be the guy that says, Okay, I've lost certain things here and there, however, my core wealth is preserved in something that will not lose its value in the same way that everything else will, which is precious metals, gold, and silver.
Seth Holehouse:So, if you are looking for a place to buy them, if you already have someone that you're buying from that you trust, great. I will warn you there are a lot of shady companies out there. Always make sure that if you're buying gold and silver that you're buying it to maximize how many ounces. If someone's trying to sell you like a special edition silver that's priced at $50 an ounce, they're ripping you off. You should buy these things for, you know, 10% within this whatever the spot range is.
Seth Holehouse:So, if silver's at $35 an ounce, if you're buying it for $40 an ounce, you're safe, okay? But be very cautious with that. Now, if you're looking for a company that you that you can trust, I work with Noble Gold Investments, I know the CEO, I've known them for quite some time, very very straight shooters, they've got very fair pricing, but what's beautiful is that they are specialists in IRA transfers. So if you've got a bunch of money sitting in an IRA that you haven't been touching because you're worried, you're worried about the stock market, but you don't want to pull it out because you get taxed, there are actually mechanisms that allow you to transfer your assets out of an IRA into physical metal, so you can literally transfer a chunk of your IRA into silver or gold that you own that is literally yours, and you can do it in a way that you avoid all the taxes and fees, and Noble Gold is the best in the industry for doing this. So if you want to call them, ask some questions, get some more information, go to goldwithseth.com, fill out this form that you see, or you just call (626) 654-1906.
Seth Holehouse:So again, it's goldwithseth.com or (626) 654-1906.