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Ocean temps are rising in the tropical Pacific Ocean, a natural and regular phenomenon called El Niño. Climate modelers say this year's could be one of the biggest ever, and some have nicknamed it "Godzilla El Niño!" That's a fun name, but what can we expect in this El Niño cycle? The Climate Realism Show's Anthony Watts, Linnea Lueken, Jim Lakely, and special guest Lois Perry will talk about that.
We will also cover some of the Crazy Climate News of the Week, including: global airlines giving up on their always absurd NetZero by 2050 goal, giant fire tornadoes to clean up oil spills, Democrats backing off their pledges to stop oil and gas in the face of higher fuel costs, and will Trump's Endangerment Finding repeal soon also apply to power plants?
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What is The Climate Realism Show?
A weekly live show every Friday at 1 p.m. ET. The Heartland Institute's Anthony Watts, H. Sterling Burnett, Linnea Lueken, host Jim Lakely, and special guests review the "Crazy Climate News of the Week" and the biggest stories on global climate and energy policy from a realist, not alarmist, point of view.
One of the most urgent tasks of our country is to decisively defeat the climate hysteria hoax.
Greta Thunberg:We are the beginning of a mass extinction.
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Anthony Watts:The price of oil has been artificially elevated to the point of insanity.
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Lois Perry:Thank you for having me. A pleasure.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Oh, well, we do have a big show today, so, let's just get right to it, and we'll start with the crazy climate news of the week. Hit it, Annie. Thank you very much, Bill Nye. Now let's get to our first item.
Jim Lakely:Yep. That's what c o two does. Yes. That's right. It's the Godzilla El Nino.
Jim Lakely:It is coming. Let's let's, talk about this a little bit. We'll, queue up a story here from Anthony Watts' What's Up With That? Here comes the super mega ultimate hyper Giga Godzilla El Nino. And this is from our friend and frequent chat participant here on the show, Charles Rotter.
Jim Lakely:I'll read it, for you. The headline writers have been busy. At a glance at the climate press for the past month, produces in no particular order. Atmospheric code red, twenty twenty six super El Nino now trending toward record breaking intensity. That's from severe weather Europe.
Jim Lakely:The Godzilla El Nino is coming. This version is something the world has never seen before. How a monster ocean heat wave could fuel a super El Nino. That's from the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists. Wow.
Jim Lakely:The naming convention for strong El Nino events follows the inflation rules of a poorly managed currency. If we started the El Nino, we started with El Nino, which is the meteorological name, then came strong El Nino for the bigger ones, then very strong El Nino, then super El Nino, then briefly Bruce Lee El Nino, quote, by a few moments in the mid twenty twenties, which is my now personal favorite, but it was retired quietly for reasons one can imagine. Then in 2015, we arrived at Godzilla El Nino, attributed to a NASA scientist picked up by every outlet on Earth, and it applied to the 2015 and 2016 event. So that's enough setup, I believe, especially with that wonderful clip from Godzilla. Anthony, I wanna start with you.
Jim Lakely:I I actually think it's just too funny the way these names keep escalating. I mean, what is a Godzilla El Nino, and what would it mean if it rises from the ocean? Should we all be running for our lives? Oh, you're you're muted now, Anthony.
Anthony Watts:Right. Been coughing a lot. Anyway, the only other word I could think of maybe they could escalate there would be supercalifragilistic extra monster Nino. That's I I mean, that that's coming next. Just wait.
Anthony Watts:The media is just like a bunch of beagle dogs chasing after a fox, you know. They get this idea and then they run after it. And then, you know, the chase is on. And they come up with these absurd comparisons, you know. I remember like the, you know, iceberg the size of new aisle new New York's Long Island.
Anthony Watts:All these kinds of comparisons they love to make because they think that they're being smart by doing so. And they think that these things will generate extra clicks. Well, you know, I suppose they will. People that find a Godzilla interesting will probably click on and read a Godzilla Super El Nino titled article. It's just it's absurd.
Anthony Watts:And yet, this is all based on models. You know, we've got models that say we might have a Super El Nino, and then models that say we might not. There it's a whole spaghetti model thing. Just, you know, you see all these different outcomes when you look at it. So who knows what we're actually gonna get.
Anthony Watts:But I'll be really enjoying it if we end up with just a plain old garden variety El Nino or a fizzled El Nino. And then we can have another show all about how the media turned this into this looming catastrophe that never happened.
Jim Lakely:So you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah. There's a there's always
Anthony Watts:a chance of anything. There's a chance our sun could go supernova tomorrow.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, Linnea, you're the one who insisted I grab that clip of Godzilla. I hope you enjoyed
Linnea Lueken:But I I did enjoy it. I was for me, I was like, that would probably be more universally recognized. But the clip that, like, came to my mind was from the terrible 1998 movie with Matthew Broderick in it where the Japanese guy is in a hospital and he's just saying, Gojira. Gojira. I love I love that movie even though it's terrible.
Linnea Lueken:But yeah. I I'm I I mean, it's just for clicks as one of our audience members said, of course. You know, they're obviously, this is a a, you know, a for fun kind of classification. It's not you know, they're not gonna put it into the actual record as a Godzilla El Nino if they do have quite a severe one this year. So it's all in good fun, I guess.
Linnea Lueken:It's fear mongering if people take it that way, but I took it as it's kind of funny.
Lois Perry:Yeah. I mean, I I totally agree with you. I do you know what? For me, I'm I'm not gonna get into the science of it primarily because compared to you guys, I I I can't I can't compare. But in terms of from a media and political perspective, the the scare this this screams a desperation to me.
Lois Perry:You know, the the whole escalation in terms of the it was the Godzilla, then it was this, then it was that. It it just seems that they're just getting more and more desperate. And the thing is, it is the the older the the Shakespeare quote, the lady doth protest too much. And if the lady does continue to protest, it just negates its impact. So so, yeah, this this screams to me, not if there been any anything particularly dangerous or anything particularly frightening happening, but actually that we're winning very much, and people on the correct side of the argument are winning.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, Lois, one thing I wanted to ask you is that El El Nino is always a big story in for climate and and even weather reporting here in The United States. Does anyone does anyone in The UK care at all about, El Nino? You know, these weather phenomenon in the ocean?
Lois Perry:I think, yes, it does get reported on. But, obviously, it doesn't impact on us in quite the same way in terms of weather events in The UK are, you know, you need to wear a different hat, or or maybe you need to take out a slightly different umbrella, or or you don't wear you know, or you you might wear Wellies or something like that. Very occasionally does a weather event in The UK mean it does happen, don't get me wrong, But but very occasionally does a weather event in The UK mean we have to flee the city. We have to get into a bunker. We have to do this.
Lois Perry:We have to do that. So because of that, it it of course, it doesn't have quite the same impact than than it would in The United States when it so, you know, you guys have got all sorts of extreme things. You know? I've seen the Wizard of Oz. I know about this stuff.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. We we had we had some we had a lot of tornadoes come through Illinois just yesterday afternoon, last night. It was pretty it was pretty crazy.
Lois Perry:It's fun. Stuff like that doesn't happen in in Kent and Sussex in Essex. Yes. No. It does not.
Jim Lakely:Anthony, before we leave this subject, I just wanted to ask you, you know, just from a, you know, scientific and and meteorologist viewpoint. I mean, in general, what does it mean as far as weather trends during an El Nino year as opposed to a normal year or a La Nina?
Anthony Watts:Well, it means that, you know, we were going we'll see the storm tracks shifted. Typically, that means the storm track shift into California. We end up with more atmospheric rivers. That means more flooding, more landslides, mudslides, that kind of thing. And this has gone on for millennia.
Anthony Watts:This is just a normal occurrence. It means that some parts of the country, The United States won't see as much precipitation because the storm track has shifted. But it's entirely dependent. It it it's really, you know, it's really like playing a deck of cards. You don't know what hand you're gonna be dealt.
Anthony Watts:El Nino changes things, but you never know exactly how. You never know exactly how much intensity. And so, you know, we might end up with massive damage on the West Coast, massive flooding and landslides and all this stuff, or we may end up with, you know, next to nothing. It's hard to say. It really is.
Anthony Watts:And all we've got right now is these climate models that are predicting the outcome of this El Nino towards the fall and winter of twenty twenty six and 2027. And these models, sometimes they're accurate, sometimes they're not. It's just like, you know, climate models predicting the future of the twenty twenty one hundred. You just don't know what you're gonna get. And so you can plan for it.
Anthony Watts:You can basically, you know, steal yourself against what's coming. But if it doesn't happen, don't be surprised.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, I'm just looking forward to the to the sequel, which is Godzilla El Nino versus Mechagodzilla La Nina. And then they end up just stomping all over all the bad climate models. The end. It'll be a lot
Lois Perry:of fun.
Anthony Watts:I I I actually wouldn't put it past Hollywood to come up with a plot where Godzilla and some creature that's born out of the sea due to some leftover radioactive barrels and El Nino combining together to make some super monster in the Pacific, you know. And Godzilla goes to attack that. In the process, all the West Coast cities get destroyed because of just having a stomp fest.
Jim Lakely:That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over. What the fuck are we gonna do now? What are we gonna do?
Anthony Watts:Pretty much.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I think that's a lot to Pacific Rim, but I don't know. It's not.
Jim Lakely:Cool. Alright. Let's move on to our second item after having that fun and, you know, pretty informative discussion. Power plant deregulation might be in the future here, least in The United States. This comes to us from the Washington reporter.
Jim Lakely:Energy industry experts want the Trump administration to fully repeal the Obama era EPA mandates that target coal. I'll read a bit from here. President Donald Trump and his administration are receiving backup from a coalition of energy policy experts who want the Trump administration to finish what it started and finalize the Environmental Protection Agency's rescission of all greenhouse gas emission standards for coal power plants. The EPA already proposed such a rescission in June 2025, but it has never been finalized. Quote, although the current global energy crisis is likely to be transient, our domestic energy needs for data centers and reindustrialization are rapidly growing, the signatories wrote to Trump and to others in his administration.
Jim Lakely:Quote, they underscore the further need for America to be able to utilize its own natural resources, especially coal. We shouldn't be burning as much coal as possible oh, I'm sorry. We should be burning as much coal as possible for electricity generation so we can export as much natural gas to countries that will pay more for it than US utilities will for electricity generation. Coal came to America's rescue in response to the nineteen seventies energy crisis. It can do so again.
Jim Lakely:Trump already rescinded Obama's EPA engagement funding for emissions of greenhouse gases from vehicles. And because that rule served as the scientific basis for regulating coal plants, the energy experts see an opening to finish the job. Quote, the current global energy crisis spotlights the need for The US to redevelop its awesome coal resource that was all but destroyed by the Obama and Biden administration, says Steve Molloy, a former Trump EPA transition team member, also a board member of the Heartland Institute. Quote, because the political future is uncertain, president Trump needs to expedite the termination of the overregulation of the coal industry. We must lock in much needed regulatory changes now so that future politicians cannot easily or senselessly deny our country the tens of trillions of dollars of value that could be produced by coal fired electricity.
Jim Lakely:I was hoping actually to have Steve Molloy, our our good friend, on the show today to talk about this. He's actually doing a couple of the radio hits while we're streaming live today. And as I mentioned, the Heartland Institute is, our president, James Taylor, is a signatory to this letter to the Trump administration along with, a lot of our friends who have organizations in the climate realism movement. Linnea, I we'll start with you then as a default. Pardon.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. You might not have been prepared for this, but we could talk about it all together. I mean, I've always wondered why this wasn't done all at once, you know, earlier and all at once. And if the endangerment finding should not apply to greenhouse gas emissions from vehicles, why should it apply to anything else, including coal fired power plants?
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. That is something I've been puzzled about too. I I think a lot of people assumed when the initial vehicles one, was put out that it was covering that the endangerment finding recession was covering power plants as well. It's kind of silly that it's not. I imagine that, you know, Trump has already signaled that and, you know, started moving on, getting more coal turned back on.
Linnea Lueken:And so I think that this is gonna work out, but I don't know. Like you said, I wasn't super prepared for this particular topic. However, it's it makes sense, though. And, actually, you're starting to see commentary positive about coal on in, like, conservative circles again, which is you know, in our area, it's not unusual to see that kind of commentary. But for a long time, the kind of mainstream conservative conversation was like, well, we've already given up on coal.
Linnea Lueken:Everyone thinks that coal is dirty, so we're just gonna go along with it and then talk about it as if it is. And we're gonna do nothing but talk about gas and nuclear. Well, coal isn't dirty like it was even twenty, fifty years, especially fifty years ago. So it should be part of the energy mix. And it actually does have benefits over things like natural gas or, you know, biofuels or whatever in part because you can just leave a heap of coal outside of the plant for, like, emergency purposes or outside of a peaker plant or an emergency plant that's specifically for that purpose where you leave it offline and then you can turn it online.
Linnea Lueken:And you can leave a heap of coal outside getting rained on and stuff. You don't even need to put it into special storage, and it'll maintain its energy content, and it won't be ruined. You can't do that with other resources. So it has benefits. It's not going away and it shouldn't go away.
Linnea Lueken:It was a huge mistake from the very beginning to try and phase it out. It'll it's gonna make a comeback, but I wouldn't expect to see very much advertising about it or shouting from the rooftops about it just because the public has a false perception that because it's like black or brown and sooty, that means that it's a pollutant, a major pollutant when it's burned. And with modern technology, it's just not. So I wouldn't worry about it all that much.
Jim Lakely:Lois, in in my mind, the global industrial revolution began in your home country, and it was fueled by coal. You guys built the modern world with coal. What is the status of coal use in The UK these days, both its public perception and its use in your grid?
Lois Perry:Well, I think that the work that we've done as an organization has helped enormously in terms of de demonizing, if you like, the whole the whole coal thing. But, yeah, you're right that it I would argue that that not just United Kingdom, but the entire empire was built on coal and and indeed the industrial revolution. So the whole concept of it being a terrible thing, a horrible thing, all of those all of that stuff is is an anathema certainly to me. But but like like Linnea was just saying, I do believe that that the perceptions are changing, and where they're not changing enough, things will happen in the background, and they might just not massively publicize it. Coal is an extraordinary resource.
Lois Perry:We are using it. We will use it. Whether whether we make a big song and dance out of it is is another is another kettle of fish. But but the whole concept of clean coal, the whole concept of using coal in a way which is not dirty in inverted commas, but actually is clean and modern. Look.
Lois Perry:It's happening. It's already happening. And as Linnea very, very pointedly marked out, it it it may not be being shouted from the rooftops, but it but it is happening. I think the whole perception for English people of homegrown energy, whether that's gas, coal, North Sea oil, all of that is changing exponentially because we want to have energy independence, and and we wanna be paying what you guys are, which is eight times less for our energy than you are. So yeah.
Jim Lakely:Well, we're still paying too much for it if you ask me.
Lois Perry:Oh my god. We're oh, you don't you don't know how lucky you are. You have no idea. You have no idea. Yeah.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Yeah. Try try the most expensive in the Western world. Try the most expensive, not just domestic, but industrial energy as well. I don't I don't even know how we're still here.
Anthony Watts:The leaders of The UK have been badly infected with climate derangement syndrome.
Lois Perry:Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well well, saying that we still you know, that you you have it bad, it's like arguing over, you know, who's injured worse. Yeah. Like, black knight in in Monty Python. It's like, you know, okay.
Jim Lakely:You've lost all of your limbs. The United States, we only lost our two arms.
Lois Perry:Yeah. It
Jim Lakely:really sucks that we have high energy prices that are artificially high as Anthony Watts even mentions in our in our intro video for the show every week that energy prices are artificially inflated with a bad policy.
Lois Perry:Jim, it's just a freshman. That's right. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Right.
Lois Perry:Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Well, we'll see. Well, we're gonna keep an eye on that. It should I've been told in discussions with friends that it an announcement for that for the end of the endangerment finding for coal plants, and I would imagine it should or would apply to all electricity energy sources, could be coming any day now. And maybe it's good, as you said, Linnea, that it's kind of under the radar.
Jim Lakely:There's people not just, you know, rioting in the streets over what's a common sense, application of science.
Linnea Lueken:Well, if they did if they
Lois Perry:did
Linnea Lueken:rescind endangerment for power plants, I think they would freak out. Right? I think you'll see it in the and you'll see it in Mother Jones. You'll see it in Huffington Post, probably, maybe the New York Times or Washington compost or something. But, yeah, they'll they'll certainly be very upset if it does turn over.
Linnea Lueken:And, you know, just expect a lot of articles with pictures of steam coming out of cooling towers on them in the in the future here. I hope it happens. They will freak out if it does. But Yeah. Yeah.
Linnea Lueken:It's good that they're not, like, signaling it too strong ahead of time if they are.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, I mean, cry harder then, I guess. As as former president Obama once said, elections have consequences, and too bad. Alright. Let's move on to our next item.
Jim Lakely:I've titled this flights of fancy. This comes from the Guardian in Lois Perry
Lois Perry:I know. In The UK.
Jim Lakely:I know. I know. We can't we can't quit them, Lois, but you'll like this story. I guarantee it.
Lois Perry:You know that they're known in in The UK where they used to be known as before they could use computers to do spell checks. They were known as the GRAWNIAD because their spelling was so bad. The GRAWNIAD.
Jim Lakely:That is funny. Alright. Well, you're gonna like the story, Lois. Like, I guarantee you. So the headline here is airline industry chiefs say 2050 net zero goal now unlikely.
Jim Lakely:Good. I'll read a bit from it. Yeah. The aviation industry's landmark pledges to be net zero by 2050 will probably not now be achieved, airline leaders have admitted. The collective goal to eliminate net carbon emissions was declared by Global Airlines only five years ago in 2021 with similar pledges made by national aviation industry leaders and governments, including The UK, in 2020.
Jim Lakely:However, Willie Walsh, the director general of global airlines body IATA, said, quote, hope was fading fast, and a new, quote, realistic timeline should be established. Walsh, who was the chief executive of British Airways owner IAG until September 2020
Lois Perry:Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Said fuel suppliers, governments, aircraft manufacturers were largely to blame for the failure to hit the target. More than half the planned decarbonization of aviation was dependent on the development of sustainable aviation fuels, with much of the rest reliant on a global emissions trading program. CORSIA, established under the aegis of the United Nations and its aviation body ICAO. In a speech to delegates at the annual IATA summit in Rio De Janeiro, Walsh said that CORSIA was being, quote, undermined by government inaction while annual production of the SAF would reach only 2,400,000 tons or 0.8% of airline fuel needs this year. The goal is 65% or 500,000,000 tons by 2050, and the gap is wide and not closing fast enough, he said.
Jim Lakely:Quote, there is still hope for 2050, but that is fading fast. We need an urgent dialogue to determine a realistic timeline given the current state of affairs, unquote. I can offer these guys a realistic timeline. Never. That's a realistic timeline.
Jim Lakely:Lois, you are our net zero expert. You've been fighting net zero since before it was cool, and you just are proof that we are we and reality is winning.
Lois Perry:Yeah. No. It's interesting because if you actually analyze what he's saying is the scam our our money laundering scam didn't work properly. That that that is what I distill from that. You know, that basically, this was supposed to happen.
Lois Perry:These offsets were supposed to happen. That was supposed to happen. There's supposed to be subsidies here and subsidies there. And, unfortunately, we didn't manage to rip everybody off with in terms of it didn't work collegiately enough. So sadly, we haven't reached the target because they're not gonna be flying less.
Lois Perry:We're not gonna be using less energy. I know I'm teaching you guys to suck eggs here. You know you know, I don't need to teach you guys anything. But, you know, the the the it's an admission that their massive, huge money laundering climate scan on this particular occasion hasn't worked. And so we're gonna blame governments.
Lois Perry:We're gonna blame schemes. We're gonna blame this. We're gonna blame that. But at the end of the day, they know it's a load of nonsense, and yet still they continue. I find it quite funny actually that they're one of the just one of the big Just Up oil donors was was the owner of of a couple of the massive airports in The United Kingdom.
Lois Perry:So it it it's just it's a joke. The whole thing's a joke. They're all but but the the brilliant thing is they were all sitting there in their beautiful billion pound mansions laughing their heads off, stroking their white cats and making their big decisions. Right? And now they've been sussed.
Lois Perry:They've been sussed. So good for us. That's all I can say. Good for us.
Jim Lakely:Yes. Good for you for especially. I mean
Lois Perry:Well, good for you guys. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you guys. Thank you.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, Linnea, you look like you wanna get in here.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I'm gonna channel Sterling for a second here and say, I'm sorry. We were told for years that sustainable aviation fuel and all of these green alternatives were cheaper than traditional fuels or and had reached industrial production. And so we didn't have to worry about anymore. And it was just the, the subsidizing of fossil fuels that was keeping them cheap and competitive and blah blah blah.
Linnea Lueken:Well, they're definitely not cheap right now. So how is it that now that oil is at some of the highest prices it's been in a long time? How is it now that these sustainable aviation fuels can't keep up? Oh, it's because they're not getting the subsidies that they were getting before. It's it's from The United States because it's not like The UK and other European governments have stopped giving subsidies to those types of programs, right, or have stopped funding them.
Linnea Lueken:So The United States cuts our funding to these different climate groups, cuts funding to USAID, cuts funding to all sorts of NGOs that do, you know, cute green projects. And now those fuels are not affordable and the airlines can't go net zero. Sorry. I thought it was I thought it was inevitable, like some kind of economic trend that was a a a natural transition that was going to happen. Obviously not.
Linnea Lueken:If they were all that good, they'd be killing it right now with how expensive oil is, but they're not. They were a scam the whole time. And like Lois said, it was just like money laundering, obviously. That's my rant.
Jim Lakely:Very good. Yeah.
Anthony Watts:It's been the same story for everything sustainable. You know? It's almost sustainable as long as the government money holds out beyond that. It's sustainable not at all.
Jim Lakely:Among the British people, Lois Perry, what's more popular? Prince Harry or net zero?
Lois Perry:The thing is, prince Harry, we we because we have such an extraordinary innate system of belief with with monarchy, we believe that he's been led astray by an an an an an naughty American divorcee that that's happened before. And and and if he and if he renounces her, we'll let him back, and we'll tell him he's been a naughty boy, and and everything will be fine. So on that basis, Net Zero is more unpopular.
Jim Lakely:Alright.
Lois Perry:It's you. It's your it's you and your American temptresses. Stop sending them over because our boys can't handle it. They they they just seem to sort of, you know, quite straight laced girls.
Jim Lakely:I did not put her you do not speak her name on this podcast. She's she's not not be spoken, but y'all knew who we're talking about. Alright.
Lois Perry:We all know who you're talking about.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Yes.
Lois Perry:God bless you. Alright.
Jim Lakely:Let's move on to another one. This is kinda fun. You know, we had tornadoes coming through, my neck of the woods just yesterday, and it'll happen all summer. It's called summer. But how about some how about some helpful fire tornadoes?
Jim Lakely:This sounds exciting. This comes from Science Daily. Giant fire tornadoes could clean up oil spills faster with less pollution. What if one of the best ways to fight an oil spill is with a controlled fire tornado? Wow.
Jim Lakely:What could go wrong? Alright. Let me read something here for you. When a major oil spill occurs at sea, emergency crews often face a difficult choice. They can allow the oil to spread across the water threatening coastlines and marine life, or they can set it on fire, which sounds fun.
Jim Lakely:Burning the oil, a technique known as a situ burn, can prevent the slick from expanding. However, it also produces thick clouds of black smoke, releases soot into the atmosphere, leaves behind a layer of unburned residue floating on the ocean's surface. Now researchers have demonstrated a striking new approach that could make this process far more effective. It's a first of its kind large scale study. In a first of its kind large scale study, scientists created giant fire whirls, spinning columns of flame that resemble fire tornadoes, and found they burn oil faster and more cleanly than conventional methods.
Jim Lakely:The rotating vortex draws in large amounts of oxygen, creating a hotter and more efficient flame. As a result, the fire whirl consumed oil more rapidly while producing significantly less pollution. The study, supported by the Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement, was led by doctor Elaine Oran and doctor Kinsheng Wang of Texas A and M University and doctor Michael Gullner of the University of California Berkeley. Quote, this is the first time anyone has con conceived using fire whirls for oil spill remediation, and it's really just the beginning. Quote, our goal is to harness the chaotic nature of fire whirls as a powerful precise restoration tool to protect coastlines, marine ecosystems, and the environment as a whole, unquote.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Linnea, I must start with you. You worked on oil rigs in the Gulf Of America before wrongly named, but then the Gulf Of America. What do you think of this idea? What could possibly go wrong?
Jim Lakely:And would it even be fun?
Linnea Lueken:I mean, if it works, then pretty much nothing would go wrong. It's not like the tornado is gonna, like, get out of control and flame its way across the top of the ocean or something. Like, it's it's in the ocean. The air humidity is too high to keep up any kind of, like, fire tornado. My skepticism comes in that they're gonna be able to, like, maintain like, create one in the first place at a scale that would matter, for a big oil spill.
Linnea Lueken:But I I I really I don't have a problem with this idea. I think it's a fine idea. If it works, great. I don't think it will in in actual, practical applications, but it's a cool idea. And, you know, if it works and it also looks really cool, that's, like, double good.
Linnea Lueken:Right? But this is this is not new. I I implore all of our audience to go watch a wonderful John Wayne movie called Hellfighters, which talks about what's called well control, which is when, you know, you get a big you lose your wellhead or you get a serious leak or something from the wellhead and it's spraying gas or it's spraying oil all over the place. The way that they con controlled those back in the nineteen sixties was by catching them on fire on purpose Because what you don't want to happen is to have this huge buildup of gas that all of a sudden randomly ignites out of control and explodes. So what they do is they light it on fire on purpose to burn it off.
Linnea Lueken:Wastes a lot of oil, but what else are you gonna do? It's not like you can catch it. Yes. That's right. Robin over on x Redidaire.
Linnea Lueken:Correct. His company, was one of the pioneers of that stuff. So it is not unusual at all to burn off oil spills or, you know, well wells being out of control. A fire tornado. I can see how it would work in in isolation because definitely if you can get more air moving to it, you can definitely create a hotter flame.
Linnea Lueken:So I think it actually would work because the hotter flame is gonna burn off a lot of the chemicals better. I'm just really skeptical that they're gonna be able to produce one. I'm not sure how they would do it. Maybe Anthony could have a better idea of how you could produce a small scale twister. But
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Well, let me tell you. When I was at Purdue University, I worked on a project called the tornado simulator. It actually was a room sized device. Actually, two floors.
Anthony Watts:It had a two a floor above and a floor below. A giant room about a about a 25, 30 by 30 room. And we had this giant device in the center with a rotating cage of screen and a blower up in the attic up above it to pull air in. And we induced angular momentum into that air by this rotating screen around it. And, you know, it was a huge endeavor to get this thing to work and work correctly.
Anthony Watts:But it was it was a fantastic invention and it did make in several peer reviewed studies. It also made that series that Leonard Nimoyd hosted back in the seventies, you know, where he's talking about different science things and so forth. But and I got to play Godzilla, by the way. I had to make a miniature city out of styrofoam, then we turned the machine on and had the tornado destroy it. Anyway, so point is is that making such a device in a static environment there it is.
Anthony Watts:There it is. Way to go, Andy. Yes. So gosh. That takes me back.
Anthony Watts:Anyhow, the making this making tornadoes was a huge undertaking. Now can you imagine trying to do this at sea? You know, you got waves going on, you got wind, all this stuff. This idea is not just implausible. It's crackpot, batshit crazy.
Anthony Watts:I'm sorry. That's the only way to describe it. It's not possible to do. And this is an example of where scientists get together and think up things, but they have no idea how to build it. Because, you know, it would take some extraordinary, if not impossible, engineering to get something like this to work.
Anthony Watts:And then maybe if we even got it to work, would it work very long? Probably not. The sea is the harsh mistress, you know. A storm comes along, boom, that thing's all shattered.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I'm sure you they would have to wait, you know, for particular weather conditions in order to even get it to work. Because even on a good day, you know, the chop and everything of the waves. And like I said before about the, like, air humidity, but I'm sure they've thought about all this stuff, hopefully. Nowadays, although maybe I shouldn't say I'm sure.
Linnea Lueken:Nowadays, it's a little bit questionable as to whether or not some of the papers that get published really thought out all the mitigating factors. A lot of times, they'll just have kind of a throwaway line in the abstract that says, you know, of course, you know, in the actual institute, it'd be more complicated and there are mitigating factors and blah blah blah. But in these conditions, this is how it work, which is fine. But, you know, it it doesn't mean that tomorrow we're gonna start using this. Again, I I do want to emphasize that to a lot of people when it comes to these kinds of studies and even patent technology and stuff.
Linnea Lueken:Just because they can do it in a lab or just because they can put a patent on a technology doesn't mean that it actually works outside of the lab or doesn't mean that it actually works in real life to any kind of scale that would matter. So we just have to be careful about going kinda crazy with a lot of this stuff. It's kinda like a couple years ago when they were talking about fusion. And they they achieved some short term fusion that was impressive, like good work. But people were talking about it as if tomorrow we were gonna have fusion power plants coming online.
Linnea Lueken:It's just not real yet. The technology doesn't exist at scale.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. I mean, if anybody could build this, I'd I'd if you give this assignment to Elon Musk, I bet he'd figure it
Lois Perry:out. Yeah.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. If anyone, he could.
Jim Lakely:Cool. Alright. Let's move on. Our last little item here in the crazy climate news is something I came across this week. It seems that Dems are giving up on their energy agenda.
Jim Lakely:This comes from no less an authoritative source than the New York Times, which loves to pedal democrat talking points at all times, so that's why it's important. Headline, democrats once vowed to stop oil and gas. Now they're not so sure. As the midterm elections approach, many leading democrats are rethinking their approach to climate change. I thought it was an existential threat that we had to stop or else we're all going to die.
Jim Lakely:I guess there's a little more wiggle room here than we imagined.
Lois Perry:No. Wait.
Jim Lakely:Let me read from here for us all. Democrats and environmentalists are shifting their approach to climate change as economic fallout from the war in The Middle East has reshuffled the politics of energy. With voters worried about spiking gas prices and inflation, some of the party's leaders argue that they should stop trying to throttle oil and gas. It's a rejection of the approach taken during the Biden administration, which treated climate change as an existential threat and tried to stop new drilling and pipelines. The most recent example came in California where Tom Steyer, a champion of fighting global warming, was edged out this month was edged out of this month's gubernatorial primary by Javier Bachera.
Jim Lakely:Mister Bachera, a moderate democrat no. Not really. But, anyway, New York Times calls him a moderate Democrat. Pichera questioned the state's most stringent climate goals, like ending sales of new gasoline powered cars by 2035 and received donations from oil and gas companies. Holy moly.
Jim Lakely:Across the Northeast, the Democratic governors have started to consider gas pipeline expansions once unthinkable in the most climate conscious states in the country. Even climate hawks in congress have shifted their tactics. Lawmakers said in recent interviews, the result could be a less ambitious climate agenda if the party returns to power in Washington. We'll see. Many democrats argue that the path back to power means abandoning some of their most aggressive stances on climate change.
Jim Lakely:When they do promote renewable energy, they frame it as a way to lower electric bills and avoid the gas pump, not because of the effects on the planet. That's enough from that story. Anthony, can I start with you? I mean, we've been hearing this our our whole lives that we have to save the planet. There's no more time.
Jim Lakely:How many groups are called? Title of the very groups are about how we're all gonna die and don't have any more time. Apparently, we have more time because the Democrats are not all that urgent about it.
Anthony Watts:Well, you know, we told you so. That's all I can say about it, really. I mean, the idea that we would just destroy our economy and go back to the stone age just to save the planet is absurd. And it's absurd on so many levels. And, you know, we knew this this was eventually gonna come home to roost.
Anthony Watts:I mean, at some point, sensibility had to kick in even with the craziest things that they've said, you know, about oil and gas. They have finally come to the realization that, my gosh, if we get rid of all the oil and gas, things go to hell. And they do. And so now they're like, well, gosh. What else are we gonna do here, you know?
Anthony Watts:You know, you we earlier, we were talking about renewables and so forth and how they've switched their tune. And now we're talking about doing more coal and so forth. I think we should come up with with a nuclear coal plant concept, you know, where we combine nuclear and coal together. That will get them going. Oh, they all will come out against that even though it's completely insane and impossible.
Anthony Watts:But it's a it's a it's a red herring we can give them to go chase after, you know.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Lois, I'm gonna throw it to you because the point of this story is that, the Democrats, the left here in The United States, even if they haven't given up entirely in their heads what their agenda is, they're not talking about it like that anymore. In fact, they're trying to talk about it as little as possible. You guys still have Ed Miliband out there, and the rest of it, you're left. All I see from them is, they haven't given up the rhetoric.
Jim Lakely:Even though it's very unpopular, they keep going full speed ahead.
Lois Perry:Well, yes and no. Because I I mean, it it's now you you could argue that the left in this country are the conservative party, and and the proper right are the reform party. So yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Lois Perry:Like, I get what you're saying, but they they know they know for a fact that that these particular policies are not popular. And, I mean, even Ed Miliband, they call him Red Ed. Yeah? Even Ed Miliband, the the, you know, the the energy secretary said recently that we needed to start drilling again in the North Sea. So, yes, you're right.
Lois Perry:The left in some ways have doubled down, but they doubled down on the basis that they know. They know. They must know. They must have prepared for it that they that they are not gonna be in power. They are not gonna be in power within within eleven I'd say ten, eleven months.
Lois Perry:And all of the other parties, apart from the Greens, whether that's reform party, the conservative party, even the the nut job right, the restore lot, yeah, are all anti net zero. So so, yeah, you're right. The left has is still is still carrying on, but I don't know. Something shifted, Jim. Something has definitely shifted in the narrative to do with net zero over here.
Lois Perry:I really believe that.
Jim Lakely:That's good. Yeah. I'm we say it all the time on this show. Reality is undefeated, and that includes political reality as well as scientific reality. And Yeah.
Jim Lakely:Yeah. Well, somebody in the chat here, Lois, congratulated you on such a nice champagne flute.
Lois Perry:So there
Jim Lakely:it is right there.
Lois Perry:This is team one. This isn't even crystal. This is glass. This is glass. Yeah.
Lois Perry:That's so very nice.
Jim Lakely:I'm glad you're showing stuff. It is the evening. It is definitely it's it's not just 05:00 somewhere. It's also, 06:00 somewhere, and that would be in The UK. Alright.
Lois Perry:Nearly.
Jim Lakely:Let's
Lois Perry:I wonder if they're making a comment about me drinking. Yeah. Tell tell tell them that we're in England. We are all highly functioning alcoholics and and and that I'm an extremely bad girl. But but I'm very good at what I do for, you know, what I do for Hartland.
Lois Perry:So you know?
Anthony Watts:Boy, that escalated quickly.
Jim Lakely:Very good. Yes. No. You just look so elegant, and and I gotta go to put the glasses just perfect. Great.
Jim Lakely:Good show.
Lois Perry:Thank you. No. I'm chilling out. It's been a it's been a full on week. I've I I'd I'm sure you know why, Jim.
Jim Lakely:It's Friday. I'll have one in my hand and
Lois Perry:Okay. No worries.
Jim Lakely:Not no worries. Alright. Before we get to q and a, there's something we haven't done this in a while, and it's the meme of the week. And, this is a blast from the past. Andy, could you show that, please?
Jim Lakely:Hard to see that really good. But yeah. Here we go. That's the cover of Rolling Stone magazine in April 2020 with a very nice, Before AI, very nice stylized picture of, Greta Thunberg on there. The headline is now or never, the race to save the planet.
Jim Lakely:A whole special issue on this topic. And I guess the answer is never. Never.
Lois Perry:How dare you?
Jim Lakely:Sorry, Greta. The answer is never. But god. Gosh darn. The the amount of pub free publicity and propaganda for the climate alarmism side, that's kinda why I wanted to pick this.
Jim Lakely:Subconsciously, wanted to pick that just to talk about that. This this show lately, especially for the last year, has has gone on, you know, a few victory laps, for lack of a better way to describe it. And the the reason I feel that way, and I'm sure it's shared by everyone on this podcast today, is it's because the odds were against climate realism from literally every corner of our popular culture, scientific culture, academic
Lois Perry:culture, Yeah. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:And we are now winning.
Anthony Watts:Yep. Truth eventually always wins.
Lois Perry:Can I just make a very minor point just based on what you just said before, Jen? It is actually nearly 07:00 in London.
Linnea Lueken:It is. Well, you're right.
Lois Perry:I I just wanted to put that out there. Okay?
Jim Lakely:Alright. Well, if the bottle's gonna go ahead, pour out another one. We got another thirty minutes to go. Whatever it takes to get through the show, Lois, I'm all for it. Yeah.
Anthony Watts:Your your drinking is highly justified at this hour in London.
Lois Perry:Thank you so much. I I knew there was a reason why we got on the same route. Thank you.
Jim Lakely:Yes. Yes. Well, you know, after after work after work, it's it's it's the happy hour. It's maybe the golden hour, which reminds me of the sponsor of this program. And that is
Lois Perry:Oh my god. That was very good, Jim. That was very good.
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Jim Lakely:Thank you very much for your attention to this matter. I will raise my coffee mug instead of that right there, and we will, as a toast, head right into q and a. Take it away, Linnea.
Linnea Lueken:Okey dokey. Yeah. So first, this is very concerning to me. We have a threat from one of our our viewers, Gerard here, who says, Jim, we still have Ed Miliband in The UK. We can arrange for him to be sent over to you if you like.
Linnea Lueken:You can keep him.
Lois Perry:That's a threat. Yeah. Yeah. Don't don't don't worry too much about that. He won't be they won't be in government shortly.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. Question from Albert who says, does output from the sun have any role in the swings of the El Nino Southern Oscillation or La Nina? Anthony?
Anthony Watts:Well, I'll answer with my standard scientific answer. Yes, no, and maybe. Yes.
Lois Perry:Yes. You
Anthony Watts:know, it's it's it's unresolved. It might have an effect. It might not. Sunspots, of course, have nothing to do with it, but total solar irradiance, TSI, has been increasing slightly over the past few decades, partly due to two reasons. Number one, the sun's output in has increased just a little bit, but also because we have reduced pollution and aerosols in the atmosphere, we're getting more sunlight reaching the surface, which includes the surface of the ocean.
Anthony Watts:So it may have some role. We just don't know.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. Thank you very much. Alright. So Mike says, even if it's a very strong El Nino, would anyone have noticed if someone hadn't pointed it out?
Anthony Watts:The Mexican fishermen along the Pacific Coast would have noticed because they are the ones that coined the term El Nino, the boy, which was basically saying, this thing comes around Christmas and they named it after the Christ child. And so, yes, they noticed it. But beyond that, if we didn't have satellites and, you know, ships and things doing measurements, beyond that, it wouldn't really be noticeable. Yes. We're getting more storms this year.
Anthony Watts:That's about it.
Linnea Lueken:Tech asks, has Lois ever seen a tornado live or just on television?
Lois Perry:I no. I haven't. And I don't think Universal Studios' twister experience counts, does it? No. I haven't.
Lois Perry:Has he invited me to? The answer is yes. Yeah. I'll I'll come. Yeah.
Lois Perry:I'd love to. Invite me, and I'll come.
Linnea Lueken:We'll go storm chasing.
Lois Perry:I will. I'll be well up for that.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Alright. Frequent viewer, guff pot, says, wasn't the Nazi invasion of Russia thwarted by bad weather that was attributed to El Nino? Or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if there was something like there's a lot of stories of, you know, different extreme weather events popping up on historical events, but
Anthony Watts:It's the same thing that got Napoleon, you know, a few hundred years previously. You know, Napoleon tried to attack Russia and the weather got him. And so but that area is highly removed from El Nino effect. More likely a change in the polar vortex that made it deep that particular year.
Linnea Lueken:Awesome. Alright. Miles Schumacher says, given the mean sea surface temperature of the planet is about a degree Celsius higher than it was a few decades ago, does that mean that a Nino index of plus three c is really more like a plus two c?
Anthony Watts:Well, that sounds like new math to me. I you know, it's all relative. You don't know what you really don't know what it was a few decades ago because the measurement systems back then were iffy. And so there's been lots of estimates. But I will point out that it's been higher than this in the past.
Anthony Watts:There have been some proxy reconstructions of El Nino events based on different kind of diatoms and things of that nature that grow better in warmer waters or colder waters or whatever. And so it's been worse in the past, and I'm not particularly concerned about whether it's two degrees or three degrees. Although, the difference between two and three might be the difference between a junior Godzilla and a full adult grown Godzilla.
Linnea Lueken:Thank you. That's very scientific. Alright. Chris says, is it quicker to build coal fired generation than gas turbines? I've heard there's a long lead time for gas turbines.
Linnea Lueken:It depends on what kind of coal. I think, traditional coal fired generation with just, like, scrubbers and stuff on it, probably, faster than a new gas turbine. The new high temperature coal turbines that they have, I don't know. I think it those might be about similar. But the the thing is we have all these coal plants just, like, sitting around right now.
Linnea Lueken:And so the speed of turning them back on or converting them to gas or something, or even you can convert coal plants to nuclear too, some of them. Some types of coal plants can be converted to nuclear. You can kind of multipurpose, not multipurpose at the same time, but you can change what they're running on faster than you can, you know, get all the permitting and stuff to build a whole new plant. So alright. Let's go in who says, to what extent do you think the recent relaxing of climate alarmism is due to the realization that gargantuan AI or data centers need so much reliable power?
Linnea Lueken:Lay in on this one.
Lois Perry:Yeah. I I I completely agree with her. And, actually, don't like to do this very often, but but I I was away I went away for a few days, and I I was in Spain. And so the only news channels that were available were very woke. They were wokey UK news channels, and they were wokey American ones.
Lois Perry:And and I started noticing a little bit of a narrative being pushed out. Every single news story was not about the amount of energy in terms of fossil fuels that were being required for for these data centers, etcetera. Every single news story was about how much water they was got they were going to use, and I thought, now this is clever. This is very, very clever because and when I chatted to my little girl about it, he's 15, he said, yes. Every time I do a search, it uses x amount of water.
Lois Perry:And I thought, right. So they're pushing these narratives out to the kids as well.
Jim Lakely:So so I wanna
Anthony Watts:point point out something about water use.
Lois Perry:Yeah.
Anthony Watts:So a lot of this is closed systems water. You know, it's not like they're consuming water. The water doesn't get used or go up into the atmosphere or anything like that. It's recirculated cooling. And so, you know, let's say you you run a 100,000 gallon recirculatory system and it recirculates, you know, once a minute.
Anthony Watts:It gives these huge numbers that aren't necessarily anything about consumption. It's just slow. And so
Lois Perry:That that that's so interesting you said that because I I I I'll just say this, and and then I'll I'll give way as they say in parliament. But the my my analysis of it was completely without having the knowledge that you've got, was completely that this was distraction, that they were deliberately making us focus on water usage because they didn't want talking about the the amount of energy. Right. Because, obviously, that that is in direct contradiction to the net zero narrative. So so yeah.
Lois Perry:Yeah.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. And, I mean, all kinds of different industrial situations use water for cooling. A lot of it is closed system or or recycled water. Some of it is just in and out like coal plants on the Ohio River, for example. They bring in river water, they filter it, they use it for cooling, they send it to a cooling pond or a cooling tower, and then they send it back out into the river.
Anthony Watts:It doesn't really get consumed. It just gets borrowed for a period of time.
Lois Perry:Yeah. It is a distraction. It is a distraction. Yeah. Absolutely.
Lois Perry:I agree.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I think that the majority other than just all the money getting ripped out from under them from The United States, I think the majority of the relaxing of the climate alarmism is because of the data center issue. Again but, again, it has to do with money. And I think I said this couple of months ago when this first started appearing as a major trend. How frustrating must it be right now to be a true believer who has spent decades like, you know, Seth Borenstein over at AP or something.
Linnea Lueken:Someone who really believes that climate change is, like, growing into a life ending catastrophe. And to have every single major organization that used to be promoting it all of a sudden drop it in favor of, building up energy, resources. Like, none of them believed it. And but there are true believers of this scam, and their brains are completely and utterly broken by it. And they're terrified every single day, and they're teaching their kids to be terrified if they even have kids.
Linnea Lueken:And they've been doing all of this for nothing. Man, it would really suck to be those guys. I'm glad I'm not there. Alright.
Anthony Watts:I I have a comment regarding that whole period of time people have been spending on this topic. Meaner, meaner, meaner.
Linnea Lueken:Sorry. I'm I'm glad you're so you're so sympathetic, Anthony. Thank you. Alright. Let's see.
Linnea Lueken:I'm gonna try and find one for Lois here. Oh, this is good. From mister Johansson who says, Lois, when is Starmer resigning?
Lois Perry:Oh god. I don't want him to resign. I want him to stay in power as long as possible because whilst Keirstjama is prime minister, we've got a chance of of of of getting rid of the slave government. But, unfortunately, what what could happen, I hope it doesn't, but if so there's a by election coming up in in Manchester, and the only reason that this by election has even happened is because a guy who who is called Andy Burnett, who's previously been an MP, he's previously been a minister actually, and he's currently the mayor of Manchester, has decided or the powers that behind him have decided that they want him to be the prime minister of The United Kingdom. So so some some sad schmuck, as they say in North London, has has been encouraged to stand down, and and and so there's a by election.
Lois Perry:Obviously, this guy's been promised, I don't know, some sort of cabinet position or something in the future. Anyway, so Andy Burnett is the labor candidate for MP for Macclesfield. Now the only the only competition for him is the reform party and a a very good friend of mine, Nigel Farage, who is the leader of the reform party. So so what has happened, I believe, is at the behest of the conservative party, a new extreme rights organization has appeared headed by a guy called Rupert Lue. Now their only only goal is to split the vote.
Lois Perry:Right? So so the the only point of Restore and Rupert Lue is is for the status quo to continue. So what we call in The United Kingdom, the uni party, conservatives and labor. And it looks like, you know, there is a chance it might work. It really is.
Lois Perry:Because, unfortunately, the rhetoric the this super duper duper extreme rhetoric on the on the extreme right of of the argument, People are it's resonating with people. So in answer to the original question, Andy Burnett might well, could very possibly be the MP for for Macclesfield. I hope not, and I would do everything in my to hope that doesn't act, you know, to make sure that doesn't happen. But if he is, he'll be parachuted in as laid leader of the Labour Party, and they've got a better chance at the next election. There there's no two ways about it if that happens.
Lois Perry:So so it so I want Kia to stay in place in in answer to in answer to your to the question. There you go. That was that was quite long winded, wasn't it? Yeah.
Linnea Lueken:Sorry. No. But it was good information. Okay.
Jim Lakely:All all that talking, Lois, must make you thirsty, and hosting the show makes me thirsty. So let's have a drink together. Here we go. Cheers.
Lois Perry:What blossoms up? Yeah. I'll one of those alone.
Linnea Lueken:It's Yeah. It's not fair. Why do I have to host? Alright.
Lois Perry:Yeah. You should
Jim Lakely:nobody should ever nobody should ever drink alone, so I'm just trying to help
Lois Perry:them alone. I love it. I love it. I'm the resident. No.
Lois Perry:No. No. No. No. No.
Lois Perry:No. No. No. No.
Speaker 1:The Drax power plant receives? Oh,
Lois Perry:look. No. I don't have exact figures to hand, but just to say to to your viewer, it is of the Richter scale extraordinary because what's happened is they've managed to classify the Drax power plant, which is obviously wood chips from you guys across the Atlantic Ocean in ships using diesel. I mean, it's so ludicrous. It's unbelievable.
Lois Perry:They've managed to classify the Drax Power Plant as a net zero power plant. So the so I it would not it would not it would not surprise me if it could be anywhere up to between 2045%, It's not more in terms of subsidy.
Linnea Lueken:Wow. Alright. Yeah. And we had another question about Drax as well who was where did that go? Robin was asking, how do we stop the environmental nuts from sending redwood ash pellets to Drax 8,000 miles away?
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. I don't know. They have to stop burning wood pellets, and we'll stop selling it to them. Yes.
Lois Perry:Well, if if you've got idiots with with government's money coming to you saying, hey. We wanna buy your wood pellets, and we wanna give you x amount for it. You know? Of course, anyone in their right mind is gonna sell them. It's it's not about that.
Lois Perry:That that's just called business. That's capitalism. But if you've got idiots using my money, my and and The United Kingdom taxpayers' money to do it, then that's the issue. The issue is on our side. But don't worry.
Lois Perry:We're on it.
Anthony Watts:You know, I've always thought Drax sounds like some sort of a super villain.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Name anyway.
Linnea Lueken:Drax Drax is the name of a character from Guardians of the Galaxy. So there's that.
Lois Perry:Oh my god. See, she knows everything. There's nothing that this girl doesn't know.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. If you want, like, useless nerd knowledge, I am the one to go to. Great.
Lois Perry:I I I doubt that very much. You're one of the cleverest women I've ever met. But but yeah. But modesty is lovely. It's something that I don't have, and I admire it in others.
Linnea Lueken:Chris Nisbet asks, how will we get to global socialism once the climate crisis is over? And I think the follow-up to that question is are from Wheelman. Actually, this is a good combo question who says, are the microplastics and organic food pushed the next push by the cabal behind global warming? We've talked about it. Steve Molloy thinks that the microplastics stuff and the Anthony got a drink too.
Linnea Lueken:Man, I'm wildly wild with jealousy right now. Sorry. Yeah. And it's already starting to kind of pick up. There's a huge push like Lois pointed out earlier about the the water use in data centers.
Linnea Lueken:They're just trying to find ways to stop this stuff. And a lot of it comes from the training, actually, that's pushing, stopping it. Because if we get a lot of our data processing figured out and also if we get a lot of our manufacturing of chips and stuff figured out, then China is gonna be in a little bit of trouble on that end. They love having that monopoly. It's sorry.
Linnea Lueken:I read a comment that just completely threw off my train of thought. But the there there are a lot of different angles that they're going to try. It's never going to be over. You know? There's there's gonna be something new that they're gonna come up with if the climate stuff doesn't work out with that will require global restructuring towards a more socialistic economy in order to fix the problem, of course, because that's the solution to everything.
Linnea Lueken:Right? So, yeah, I would not I would not at all be worried about it going away. They're they're gonna come up with something. Yeah. So Bobby Berry has an important question, which is Stella Artois, have you no taste?
Jim Lakely:It's what's in the fridge, man. I didn't put it there.
Lois Perry:I thought you're having a go at me then. I was gonna say, this is my man, Sandon.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. There's a lot of questions. There's a lot of questions I have about the the beer fridge at the Heartland Institute offices that I have no access to, which is not fair. Alright.
Lois Perry:The thing is though, what it means is that we are not wasting our donors' money. Yeah. You know? So so it no one can complain. No one.
Lois Perry:Albert
Linnea Lueken:says, all this drinking is making me thirsty. Above us only sky says releasing carbon dioxide bubbles into Right. So very good, you guys. And then let's see. Wheelman wants to know if how many coal plants have been demolished.
Linnea Lueken:I don't know how many have been fully demolished. We have probably thousands of coal plants in this country. Many of them have been shut down. I don't know what percentage of the of the approximate many have been permanently torn to pieces and scrapped. I actually doubt that it's all that many.
Anthony Watts:Here we go. I looked it up. Says here between 2010 and 2019, more than 500 coal fired power plants were retired in The United States, reducing the total count from 518 plants and 213 down to just 227 by 2023.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. The retire the thing is, though, that the retirement isn't the same thing as demolishing. So a lot of these plants can be retired, but not completely taken apart, which is how we've been able to turn some of them back on, like how Germany turned some of theirs back on. Let's see. Can they make can they put data centers or data centers in urban locations and use the excess heat for local housing?
Linnea Lueken:Anthony, do you think that sounds feasible?
Anthony Watts:Yes. I do, actually. So here's how it would work. There are some cities that are already wired for this. Ironically, many in the in Russia would benefit from this because Russia has steam pipes that go throughout communities where they transmit heat from the power plant.
Anthony Watts:So they could probably add the waste heat from the data centers to these already existing steam pipes and use that, you know, for winter heating. So, yeah, you could probably make use of it. It'd be kinda like geothermal though in Iceland, you know, where you're piping heat around to the different homes and so forth. It's a possibility. It would take some massive infrastructure changes, but you know how the left would be.
Anthony Watts:They would freak out about it and come up with some reason not to do it.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. We have all of our viewers are now beginning to drink as well. So that's fun. Scott Clay asks, who is the designated driver today?
Anthony Watts:Exactly you, Linnea, because everybody else is drinking, including our producer, Andy.
Linnea Lueken:And David says, are there any other rum drinkers here, or I am I again?
Lois Perry:Oh, no. No. It's all my fault. I've corrupted America. Yeah.
Jim Lakely:I I you're I can see you're really broken up about it too. You're really
Lois Perry:fucking sure. I am. I am.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Right. I'm sure if my mom is watching the show, she's just cackling right now just laughing to cut off with this. Alright. So we have some a very good science question for Anthony, which is what is the source of the El Nino heating?
Linnea Lueken:One science theorized it was volcanoes under the sea, but just off the top of my head, I'm skeptical of that theory. But Anthony, what why why does El Nino happen?
Anthony Watts:Well, it's not volcanoes under the sea. Nope. Nope. And hell nope. It is basically this.
Anthony Watts:Trade winds change direction along the Equators. And you end up with water being pushed back in one direction because of the change in the trade winds. It also causes the sea surface to roughen a little bit because it's more wavy and so forth. And it changes the amount of cold water upwelling. So these factors combined to create a bulge of warm water.
Anthony Watts:It's just because the dynamics of the ocean circulation both on the surface as well as below have changed. And so this particular area starts retaining more solar radiation because of the change in the winds and the change on the upwelling. That's it. There's nothing else. Nothing magic.
Jim Lakely:Alright. Let's see. We have another question here. I'm gonna take over for just a moment because Linnea is otherwise dis indisposed. We have a comment around here who says that if we pour crude oil over the Pacific Ocean and start fire tornadoes, we can destroy Godzilla.
Jim Lakely:John one zero one, you are now an unofficial, you know, contributor to the show because that is called a callback, and that is fantastic. You combine two different topics into a funny joke. Thank you so much.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. This is fantastic. I think the answer is yes. We could probably destroy Godzilla. But the question really is, but do you want to?
Linnea Lueken:Because I thought Godzilla was supposed to be the good monster. If we destroy Godzilla, then all the bad monsters will destroy us, I think. Right? I think so. There's probably better Godzilla experts in the chat than I.
Anthony Watts:I never liked Mothra.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Mothra sucks. Alright. Well, I disappeared for a moment because my jealousy got the better of me. And, Lois, in The United States, it's actually not all that uncommon, especially in the South to have a little a little glass of wine with lunch.
Lois Perry:So now we we can
Linnea Lueken:all partake.
Anthony Watts:Yeah. Well, Greg, we got two wine drinkers, one two beer drinkers including Andy, and I'm drinking honey whiskey because I have been suffering from a cold for a week. And I gotta tell you, this is great stuff for cough suppression. It go if you drink it neat, it goes down smooth, shuts down the cough, and shuts down the whole phlegm problem.
Lois Perry:Brilliant. I was
Jim Lakely:you sure about that?
Lois Perry:Okay. Feel that I'm I hope you don't feel that I'm really colonizing. But but in the in the South, that would have been the more traditional. That would have been the more the more English part. Is that right?
Linnea Lueken:There were a lot of loyalists. Yeah.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Okay. So so so there you go. So so our genes aren't that different.
Linnea Lueken:Alright. And you know what? Our our audience is actually right, that honey whiskey actually is great for colds. That's weird. Be.
Lois Perry:Yeah. Honey and lemon. Yeah.
Linnea Lueken:There's a reason they put alcohol in cold medicine. Alright. What
Lois Perry:is that? What is the reason?
Anthony Watts:Either way, I wanna say, except we haven't mentioned it yet. Full disclosure, this particular episode is sponsored by Big Alcohol.
Lois Perry:Otherwise known as as as Lois's apartment in North London.
Linnea Lueken:The other the other gold, which is corn whiskey. Alright. Wheelman says, I know this isn't about your show, but can you discuss whether Steve Hilton makes the California final election? Jim, you would be more up to date on this one than I would.
Jim Lakely:Well, actually, I've been pay so paying such close attention to the LA mayor's race instead of the California governor, race. I actually presume that the, let's just say the election irregularities post election day don't seem to me to be, not sufficient to knock, Hilton out of the final two for the November election. Lots of these, ballots that were just found had voted for LA mayor, but not California governor, which is not the way it usually goes. People usually vote if they're just kind of passive voters. They'll vote for the top of the ticket and ignore the stuff on the bottom.
Jim Lakely:So, yeah, I think Steve Hilt will probably make the final two. I still doesn't I still don't think that means he's gonna be the governor of California. So we'll see. What we the reason why Steve Hilton well, the reason they would want Steve Hilton off of the California ballot for the November election and the reason they want Spencer Pratt off the ballot for the, Los Angeles mayor election is that is because they don't want two nonleftists communicating to the public all summer long and into the fall about what a disaster leftist, governance is in the state of California. If you have basically two hard leftists, you know, running against each other, it's the same old same old.
Jim Lakely:They they can't even stomach people with different views talking about the issues all the way through the summer. So, hopefully, Steve Hilton will be able to hang on to second place. And so a real mediocre lightweight like Javier Bacero will have to actually answer questions in a debate from somebody who as even though he's a political neophyte, has much radically different views that are much more frankly American and not so much communist. And that would be a good conversation not just for Californians, but I think the entire country to hear.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. We're we have a couple of minutes that we can still go here. We've got some nice compliments from the audience that we are funny. So thank you, David. We do think we're funny.
Lois Perry:Well, funny hysteria or funny Probably a little bit of both.
Linnea Lueken:Scott says this has been a really fun show today. Hangover's tomorrow, but fun today.
Lois Perry:And Okay. Let's see.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. We've got a terrific audience. And and with regards to California, yeah, I man, it would be really a miracle if they had a governor who wasn't like a hyper leftist win. But, Jim, I noticed you didn't even really talk about Kamala Harris. Isn't that in the cards?
Jim Lakely:For her in in California?
Lois Perry:Yeah.
Jim Lakely:She's not on the ballot in California.
Linnea Lueken:Oh, I thought she was this year.
Lois Perry:No. No.
Anthony Watts:No. You know, we could probably get her on this show if we told her that we have alcohol.
Jim Lakely:Well, if we could get Big as if we could get Big Booze as a sponsor, we can bribe a lot of people to come on this show.
Lois Perry:I I hope you're not inferring that that women are easily led by, by Booze.
Jim Lakely:Would never say that.
Linnea Lueken:I was I was at a big oil evil, doctor evil meeting last year, and someone had floated the idea that perhaps Kamala Harris would run for governor. I was at a meeting. It was like a conference for California oil and gas producers. And when someone suggested that just kind of passively on a on a discussion panel, everyone in the room cried out and groaned. Everyone was like, please, no.
Linnea Lueken:So I think that's
Lois Perry:We've not got anyone better. I mean, surely, there must be people that are better than that on on the on the left. They must have somebody, surely.
Linnea Lueken:Well, probably Tom Steyer, but I I it would really be something if some if a, you know, an actual billionaire got elected in California after all of the hemming and hawing that they've been having about the Uber Rich recently. Yeah. No. I do I do wanna point out though, you guys, you know, it's good that we're having this fun episode here where we are drinking on stream because there won't be a show next week. Next week is the nineteenth.
Linnea Lueken:Yep.
Jim Lakely:That's that's right.
Lois Perry:It's a holiday. What happened from the nineteenth? We
Linnea Lueken:have we have a holiday called Juneteenth, a federal holiday.
Lois Perry:And what does that mean?
Linnea Lueken:Don't ask me. Hey. I don't think I
Lois Perry:But but but but does it commemorate something or celebration? Yeah.
Anthony Watts:It's a emancipation the signing of the emancipation proclamation this morning.
Linnea Lueken:Not, though. No. Juneteenth is not the Emancipation Proclamation Proclamation.
Lois Perry:It's it's the Emancipation of of of black people or or women?
Linnea Lueken:Enslaved people. No. No. Sorry.
Lois Perry:I meant in terms of being given the vote. Sorry. I wasn't No.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. No. No. We don't have a federal holiday for that one. But we have Juneteenth is a holiday that used to be celebrated exclusively by people in Galveston, Texas because
Lois Perry:it was specific.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. Because it was the day that that apparently, they they found out that the emancipation yeah. The emancipation proclamation and official emancipation happened. So I it's always been my contention that we should have an Emancipation Day holiday, like, in February or whenever it was that the actual event occurred. But for some reason, this is the one that stuck.
Linnea Lueken:So
Lois Perry:it can I just ask sorry? I know we're coming to the end of the show, but just I'm gonna be a bit boring for a minute. So so do you have so, obviously, when when America was had its independence from us or whatever, women didn't originally have the right to vote, did they? Or did they? No.
Lois Perry:No. No. No. So when did that happen?
Linnea Lueken:I I honestly don't remember when that amendment was added.
Lois Perry:So so no. I'm just wondering if there's a celebration about women's emancipation in terms of their being being able to vote. Is there a celebration for that? There's not.
Linnea Lueken:No. No.
Lois Perry:No. Well, then then that makes me a little bit pissed off.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah. No. It's that that would be I'm sure I wouldn't I mean, I'm never gonna complain about adding more holidays to the calendar, but No. We've already got a lot of them. So yeah, I don't think they're gonna add anymore.
Linnea Lueken:But yes. And, also, Father's Day is on June 21, although that's not a federal holiday. It's a corporate holiday, but still happy upcoming Father's I'm gonna hand it back to Jim because I don't have any more questions from the audience. People are having a great time. Although, I will read real quick from Mars Rock who says, the alarmists are going to point to this episode and declare climate deniers to be unreliable drunks.
Linnea Lueken:Yeah.
Lois Perry:She was kidding.
Jim Lakely:No. That is that is very unfair. We are very much reliable drunks here in the climate realisms in space.
Lois Perry:Oh, no. I'm gonna get told I know that James is gonna tell James and Jim are gonna tell me off again.
Jim Lakely:We're gonna be in big trouble. Yeah. Well, we're
Lois Perry:gonna be
Jim Lakely:in so much trouble since I joined you here. So
Lois Perry:Yeah. So so so what about but you can use the argument that it's cultural because we're in because I'm English.
Jim Lakely:Right. Yep. Well, that hasn't worked in the
Lois Perry:past, but we'll try again.
Jim Lakely:And and, well, thank you. And cheers to everybody in our audience who hangs out with us every Friday at 1PM eastern time on the Climate Realism Show to talk about climate realism and to be the counterspin to a lot of the BS that you see in the news all over the world every single day. I wanna thank our streaming partners, Junk Science, CFACT, c o two coalition, Climate Depot, Watts Up With That, and Heartland UK, Europe. Thank you so much to the lovely Lois Perry Lois Perry, who is a very bad influence on all of us here in The United States.
Lois Perry:Oh, no. Sorry.
Jim Lakely:Very good influence over there in The UK. Thank you, Anthony Watts, who was with us today despite not feeling really well all week. Thank you, Linnea, who, had to endure not having an alcoholic beverage for about fifteen minutes and could barely take it. And, again, thank you to everyone in our fantastic audience. Please help us out by sharing this show with as many people as possible.
Jim Lakely:And, I guess we're not gonna see you next week, but we will see you again next next week. Bye bye.
Lois Perry:Bye bye. Bye bye.