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Scott (00:03.778)
Hey everybody, welcome to a very special episode of your Fabulous Learning Nerds. I'm Scott Schuette, your host, and it's time for our 100th episode celebration!
Scott (00:24.706)
And with us for most of the 100 episodes, you love him, he's here again everybody, Dan Coonrod.
Glenn (00:27.134)
Okay.
Scott (00:34.178)
Damn.
Daniel (00:35.663)
Scott! 100 episodes. Holy crap, how did we do this? I don't know either. Yeah, yeah, that tracks.
Scott (00:38.306)
Yeah, I know, right?
I don't know. I'm a glutton for punishment. Maybe that's it. I don't know. I mean, but that's so awesome that we can provide impact and learn and grow and celebrate a milestone like this. And folks are going to be a little bit different of an episode tonight. We do have some friends. We'll get to them really quick. But first, let's make sure that we introduce the Duchess of Design. You love her? Zeta's in the house, everybody.
Julia Phelan (00:51.734)
you
Scott (01:17.314)
Sarah!
Zeta (01:18.395)
Howdy doody! How goes it Scott? How is the hundredth episode so far?
Scott (01:24.834)
How is the 100 episodes so far? Well, it's...
Zeta (01:30.363)
Yes. I'm having an excellent week as well. I've been looking forward to this and I'm so glad that we're on our 100th episode. This is awesome. This is definitely a milestone.
Scott (01:31.394)
Yeah.
Daniel (01:32.271)
Hahaha
Scott (01:34.562)
I love Bill and Ted.
Scott (01:42.786)
It is awesome. We've got some special friends. We brought friends because believe it or not, I have some friends, right? So we made some friends along the way. They've agreed to spend some time with us here today. And what we're going to do is just kind of do a round robin real quick to get everybody introduced and see kind of what they're up to. And then we've got some questions. We're going to do some round robin questions about some learning and development stuff. And then we'll kind of wrap up and say, hey, where are we going for the next 100 episodes?
Zeta (01:46.811)
Mm -hmm.
Scott (02:11.874)
That's gonna be great. And so without further ado, let's go ahead and bring in our first friend of the show with us from episode 49 and many others, along with her husband, along with her husband, Julia Phelan, everybody.
Julia Phelan (02:21.142)
Hahaha
Daniel (02:22.735)
and many more.
Julia Phelan (02:24.758)
That made me want to...
Scott (02:29.762)
Julia You not only are you allowed to clap for yourself, but I can I can go ahead and clap for you
Julia Phelan (02:29.942)
Am I allowed to clap for myself? Am I allowed to do that?
Zeta (02:33.019)
Heck yeah, you should.
Daniel (02:36.399)
You should.
Julia Phelan (02:39.67)
All right. Hi. Thank you for having me back again. Lovely to see everyone.
Scott (02:43.746)
Yeah.
Julia, what have you been up to these days?
Julia Phelan (02:48.406)
What have I been up to? All kinds of things. But I think the most exciting thing that I'm up to now is I've been thinking, as I do in my work about bringing the science of learning out of the ivory tower and into the workplace, I've been really thinking about how do we improve employee onboarding experiences and reframe our thinking around that so we can acknowledge that it takes a long time and
As I want to say, learning is hard and it takes a while to get up to speed. And so we need to be really focusing on not just a wham bam, thank you ma 'am, onboarding experience, but having a prolonged meaningful integration into the workplace. So I'm working on a program that is going to help folks do that. And I've been writing a lot of stuff around that too.
Scott (03:45.73)
Always busy at work making the world a better place. And I just want to thank you. Julia is one of those people that I call friends and every once in a while when I need someone smart to talk to and Dan's not available. I call Julia and she helps us out. So that's totally great. Thanks for joining us today. Also with us, he was on one of our first shows, episode 14 on creative openers. Mr.
Zeta (03:45.947)
Amen.
Julia Phelan (03:58.774)
I'm going to go ahead and close the video.
Thank you.
Scott (04:14.114)
Glenn Brumley is back in the house. Glenn, sir!
Glenn (04:18.22)
Hola, coming of stock campers, how are we?
Scott (04:21.506)
How are we? You know, we are...
Don't look, Dan. Sorry.
Glenn (04:32.408)
Bear to Midland. I haven't heard that in so long. my goodness.
Daniel (04:32.59)
It's okay, it's okay.
Scott (04:35.042)
You must not have been listening to any of our shows.
Daniel (04:35.567)
If you love something, set it free.
Zeta (04:38.203)
you
Glenn (04:38.361)
Well no, I have been listening to shows, I've just been super busy.
Scott (04:42.669)
That's great. So what have you been busy doing? What's going on? Get us cut off. What you're doing on, Glenn?
Glenn (04:46.968)
So I got promoted with my job and I'm now actually in charge of the office and my training levels have gone through the roof exponentially. Everything from new hire work straight on through to mentorship. So it's and the net is cast very wide. So what I'm getting at sometimes is really good and sometimes not so much.
Scott (05:13.762)
Well, that's great. That's awesome. Glenn, you always bring a little bit of flair to what we're talking about. I'm so super excited to have you back on the show once again. And thanks for helping us on our journey. That's really awesome.
Glenn (05:25.336)
I am super proud you guys hit 100 episodes, man. It is a pleasure to be back. I love being the chaos factor for this show, because you all have this nice air of respectability. And I come in and it's just like, hi, it's chaos.
Scott (05:38.722)
I know you kind of kind of like to burn it to the ground so to speak which is which is nice since you're a fire person which is awesome. Yep also with us he was at the winter roundtable but he's also in one of our first episodes I can't remember what number was Joey. It was imposter syndrome which I still suffer from every once in a while. Joey Ackland is with us. Joey how you doing my friend.
Daniel (05:38.927)
Hahaha!
Daniel (05:46.255)
Hahaha!
Glenn (05:47.158)
Therefore
Daniel (05:56.719)
I remember it was imposter syndrome.
Joey Acklin (06:07.185)
Hello, hello, I am doing great. Yeah. Different job since last time I've been on the podcast or both podcasts or a few, I guess. And enjoying life as much as I can. Maybe too much sometimes.
Scott (06:09.89)
You do - What are you up to, Joey?
Zeta (06:26.587)
That sounds like a winner.
Joey Acklin (06:28.529)
I hope so.
Scott (06:31.426)
Well, that's awesome. That's great. Joey and I go way back. I had the opportunity and pleasure meeting Joey and working on some stuff. And we did this really creative project that went nowhere. I don't know if that ever happens in learning development. You put this really creative project together and you work really, really hard and then it just kind of dies. But Joey's super smart. Yeah, I know. I know. But it's kind of what happened. And it's just a thing. So that's that.
Daniel (06:48.367)
I've never once heard of that.
You
Ha ha!
Scott (06:57.41)
Also with us is coming from episode 84 where we talked about clarity and leadership Jared Ramler Jared
Jared Ramler (07:08.057)
Hey guys, thanks so much for having me on. I'm honored to be part of this episode and huge congrats to you for a hundred episodes. I think Dan, we were talking at one point and you said, I forget what the exact percentages, but it's a super, super small percentage of podcasts ever reached this milestone. So big congrats to you guys.
Daniel (07:30.223)
Thanks.
Scott (07:30.242)
Jared, what have you been working on, my friend?
Jared Ramler (07:33.081)
Yeah, so I still run my company called Red Arrow coaching, which I do coaching for leadership development, particularly, but a lot of career coaching. But also a few months ago was asked to join a company based out of Clearwater, Florida, that focuses on software development and other software services for the IDD community, which is an acronym I didn't know.
It's the intellectual and developmental disabilities. So we, our company focuses on providing support for folks who support those in the IDD community. So I have the privilege to lead their instructional design division and grow that team and having a lot of fun doing it.
Scott (08:22.53)
That's fantastic. Always doing the right things by people and helping make leaders into better leaders. That's totally awesome. Love that you're here. Thanks for showing up, Jared. Okay. Also with us from episode 11, and I wish that I had paid more attention to what John was talking about in episode 11 because I went on a data journey in the last couple of years. We've got John Lathbury talking about data. How you doing, John?
John Lathbury (08:50.446)
I'm doing really good. Congrats on the 100. That's huge. Triple digits, guys. Keep going.
Scott (08:56.45)
So what you been up to?
John Lathbury (08:58.798)
I mean, I'm heavily embedded in analytics, obviously not as much in training, at least so I thought, but, and anytime you roll out new dashboards or new reports, there is inherently training. So I get to explore the technical training aspect of data to people who are used to seeing Excel spreadsheets and opening their eyes to new tools.
Scott (09:19.97)
That's totally cool. Yeah, if there's one learning that I've had in the last couple of years, it's just so important. You got to have a data story. If you don't have a data story, if you don't have the data around your story, and it doesn't, you know, start with Kirkpatrick, man, how many people showed up and did they like it, right? If you, you got to have at least the basics around your data story so you can show value. And I think that's really, really important. And John, I learned so much from you and it's really a pleasure to have you back on the show. I really appreciate it.
John Lathbury (09:49.966)
It's awesome to be back.
Scott (09:51.938)
And also we gave him a mic this time. Folks, I want to reintroduce our person in the chair. Everybody's got the guy in the chair or the woman in the chair, right? We've got our own person in the chair who does a lot of work behind the scenes. There's a lot of work around promotion of the show. And it's just such a pleasure to have around and bounce new ideas off of and dare I say learn.
together, which is great. I love learning and I love learning with this gentleman. So we gave him a mic today and I'm sure he's going to do a great job. Sam Van Tessel is with us today. Sam.
Sam (10:34.982)
Hi, how's everyone doing?
Scott (10:37.154)
Sam, what are you working on?
Sam (10:40.166)
so I am working on a couple things right now. I'm doing some design and development work for something on PLC machines, which is the little machines that make everything work in everyday life from, automatic doors to things such as gas pumps. If it's an automated process, there's a PLC involved in it. And I'm making training on that.
Scott (11:07.106)
That's fantastic. Yeah, your work's come a long way and I'm eager to take that learning because I don't know anything about PLCs. So this is going to be a good thing. We can all learn from each other, which is great. And once again, thanks for all your help with the show, which is great. Before we go into our questions and answers session, Dan, you had some sentiment that you shared before we recorded. Would you mind sharing that out before we kind of do our Ron Robin thing?
Sam (11:20.454)
yeah.
Daniel (11:36.175)
Yeah, absolutely. Guys, I already know I said this before the show and this is for you guys, for everyone in our audience, for everyone who's been on the show, for everyone who's made this possible, which is a list that I just, there's just too many people. I couldn't go through. I could start now and maybe sometime tomorrow morning. I had forgotten most of it and just be wrapping up, but thank you. Guys, you guys represent a huge swath of people who have come on the show to talk to not just us,
but hundreds of other people about your work and just the work of learning and development. I got into this profession 100 % on accident and it completely changed my life. I can't imagine my life without this profession. I can't imagine my life without this just deep driving passion. And to have you guys on the show has only reinforced that for me and I'm positive has sparked that in others.
Thank you guys so much.
Scott (12:37.666)
Thank you very much.
Glenn (12:39.213)
Well, that was.
Scott (12:44.066)
All right, everybody, we're going to go ahead and have a little conversation with some smart people and get some really groovy ideas out. And we thought we'd start, not too long ago, we did a little episode on feedback. You had a conversation today about feedback and the importance of it. So what I'd really love to know is, hey, what was the most valuable piece of feedback that you ever received?
or had the opportunity to give. So who would like to go first? Glenn.
Glenn (13:22.668)
Figured I'd throw the hand up, why not? Most important and the best piece of feedback I ever got was simply, it's never personal, it's always business. Especially in the beginning, and Dan, you can attest this too, in the beginning of training, I took some stuff personal, you know, because I was still not sure what I was doing. No, you can't throw a chair across the room.
Julia Phelan (13:24.598)
Ha ha.
Daniel (13:43.951)
Hahaha.
Glenn (13:48.587)
No, you can't make threats to people like all those little things. And it really, it came down to it's always business. It's never personal. So, and I've always kept that and I, to this day, I still keep it wherever I'm at and whatever I'm doing, whether the circumstance, whether it's giving someone feedback or unfortunately, you don't want to have to do, I explain it's always, it's always business. It's never personal.
Scott (14:10.242)
good advice that I'm still working on. That's great.
Daniel (14:14.959)
Who else?
Joey Acklin (14:19.345)
I can jump in real quick.
there's so many, but I think the one thing and I'm going to put you on the spot, Dan, cause you told me this like, sure. We'll say eight years ago, seven years ago. I don't know. Times relative, I guess. I think we're talking about something I forgot like on our walks or whatever was happening. And I was gun shy. I was worried about doing something like, dude, just do it. Like who's going to just go for it. Just do it. Like who's going to stop you? Like.
Julia Phelan (14:27.51)
You
Daniel (14:35.087)
There you go.
Joey Acklin (14:50.801)
It's okay if you're not sure about something. It's okay if you're hesitant, like not everyone knows everything before you launch, like launch it, try it, test it, just do it. you don't need to worry about necessarily getting approval from everyone, but show the value of it. Launch the new training format, the modality, the idea, and get that initial feedback. Do that agile launch and see what happens. Like don't be scared of change or scared of launching something. Cause that just the fear of it's okay. Most of that's just in your head.
paraphrasing a lot because it's been a long time but that's why I remember that's the idea I got from you so I appreciate that
Daniel (15:23.631)
That's okay, yeah.
Daniel (15:30.783)
wow, thanks man.
Scott (15:33.698)
Ruby. Julian.
Julia Phelan (15:36.534)
So I don't know if it's valuable to others because no one has ever told me that, but I would imagine it would be valuable to others. So I'm going to use that example that I think, and I tell people this a lot, that you should never tell people that they look tired. And people say that all the time. They're like, you look so tired. Because really what it means is that you look like you know what. And so my advice to others is,
Don't say that. That's it.
Daniel (16:09.135)
You know, that is great advice. I want to share a moment early in my career. There was somebody on our team and, and, and what I thought I was being nice. I was trying to like show empathy and be like, man, you look tired. Everything. Okay. And you know, they looked at me and they said, no, I'm not tired. That's not polite to ask. And they were normally like very like polite. And I was so taken aback. I was like, I'm so sorry.
And that's something that stuck with me. Obviously that person said it a little bit more forcefully than you did, but I can't agree more.
Scott (16:44.994)
Cheer it!
Julia Phelan (16:45.238)
Scott (16:49.122)
Before Jared answers that, I'm going to go ahead and let everybody know that Glenn Brumley just put up a sign that said, Dan, you're looking a little tired. I'm just saying.
Jared Ramler (16:49.369)
Yeah.
Daniel (16:59.407)
Thanks Brum Brum.
Scott (16:59.938)
Go ahead, Jared. Yeah.
Jared Ramler (17:01.465)
Well, maybe, maybe mine actually dovetails in there a little bit. Mine is I got a piece of advice early on in my career. So like Dan mentioned, being in the learning development industry was not something that I had necessarily planned and trained for, kind of fell into it backwards into this corporate environment. And my boss sat me down on time and one of our one -on -ones and said, don't be, don't be so defensive. Like, Hey, I'm giving you feedback. Just sit there and take it. Like, just listen.
And I always felt the need, like I needed to defend myself, you know, like, well, try to give an explanation or context for maybe why something went sideways or why he got feedback from somebody else about something I had done or said or something my team had done perhaps. And to this day, I have not, by any means, I have not perfected, you know, not being defensive, but it has really served me well just to kind of sit and listen and there's...
almost always some nugget of truth there that I need to take back and kind of apply. So, you know, Dan, next time you ask somebody if they're feeling, if they look tired and they get defensive, just say, don't be so defensive. Just take it.
Daniel (18:14.607)
Yeah, yeah. Solid. I'll try that the next time I see somebody who looks tired. I'm sure that'll go great.
Julia Phelan (18:14.646)
I think you'll have tons of friends.
Zeta (18:16.795)
Truth.
Jared Ramler (18:18.617)
Hahaha
Scott (18:28.546)
See you now, how about you?
Zeta (18:30.322)
I think the best kind of feedback I've ever received was it's okay to make mistakes. A lot of times you're paralyzed by making a mistake that you have that anxiety and you can't actually jump in. But that's part of the process. I mean, we had a whole episode on this that mistakes are awesome. What was it? Sabrina, actually, she just told us about fail, first attempt in learning. And I think that was
Daniel (18:52.335)
you
Zeta (18:58.587)
A really good feedback for me was, hey, mistakes are part of the process. Don't be afraid. Because if you don't meet challenges head on, you'll avoid them. And that's not a growth mindset.
Scott (19:10.594)
Good. John.
John Lathbury (19:13.838)
I'd actually like to share two pieces of advice I got, one 10 years ago and one two days ago. The one from 10 years ago is gonna sound familiar to probably everybody here. This guy I know told me to be bad and cause trouble. And I have taken that to heart of pretty much every role I'm in, I'm almost always a disruptor. I challenge the status quo, I ask questions that make people uncomfortable, but most importantly, I make them explain their acronyms.
Daniel (19:40.495)
To all of John's bosses, I'm sorry.
John Lathbury (19:43.618)
You were one of my bosses once, so yeah. The second one I got, it was not directed to me specifically. I was attending an analytics training and the person who was speaking was talking about pace and it kind of made me have this realization of the three things that I try to deliver. It was originally two. It was, you know, what do they need and when do they need it? And I'm now adding a third. So it's what do they need? When do they need it? What pace?
Daniel (19:47.087)
Yep.
Glenn (19:48.515)
Yeah, that's all Dan's fault.
John Lathbury (20:12.43)
can they take it? Because I can unload information on somebody in 10 minutes and they walk away with nothing, in which case I've just wasted everyone's time. So I'm trying to add pacing back into my repertoire of dealing with especially very technical analytics ideas with people who aren't exposed to them regularly.
Scott (20:35.202)
Good stuff. Julia, did you have a follow up with that or is?
Julia Phelan (20:39.574)
just giving a thumbs up to that last stick.
Scott (20:40.994)
Okay. All right. That's my facilitator brain just going, wait, what was that? Sam.
Daniel (20:47.375)
I've got one. Sam got me first. Go for it.
Sam (20:51.91)
I did get you first. So I am pulling early in my career, right out of college. And I worked in some educational fields. And I was talking with my supervisor and they presented the question, how are you presenting this learning plan in a way that is fun? And
This was something that was meant for children, children with special needs. But I've actually brought that attitude into training that I make now, is what am I doing to make this training fun and engaging? And one question I always find myself coming back to, if I am having a boring time making a training, that's gonna come out in the training itself.
So a lot of times when I'm sitting back and I'm thinking to myself, man, this is the most boring thing I've ever made. That's going to come out in the training. So I kind of pull back to older experiences like that of what did I do in certain situations to make the learning experience fun? And that's something I've always hold at the core of what I'm doing.
Scott (22:00.547)
Good stuff, Dan.
Daniel (22:03.055)
I was going to jump in very early in my learning and development journey. actually Jared gave me a piece of advice that, really, really changed my perspective. he had talked to me about becoming an instructional designer. I was a corporate trainer at the time. And I think I told you, no, three times. I think I was like, no, I'm going to be a trainer forever trainer for life. And you told me, I think like either the first or second time I said that, like, Hey, just like, know your impact. Like what's your impact.
And like, I think I left that conversation and it was later on that night. I think I was like sitting home. It was like maybe two, three in the morning. And I'm just like, what is my impact? Like, what am I doing? And it changed the scope of how I, of how I perceived what I was doing. And it was one of the big reasons that made me like become an instructional designer, leave like corporate training and move into the building instead of just the presenting and.
It's one of the things I still think of today. Like, hey, what's the impact? If I'm going to do something, what's the impact? Like, how many people is this going to hit? What's it going to do? What's it going to cause? And that's just huge for me.
Scott (23:15.682)
You know.
Jared Ramler (23:15.705)
Yeah, one of the great things, sorry, Scott. I was going to say one of the great things about instructional design is the, the ability to amplify your influence. So Dan, I mean, you, you and Glenn, by the way, Glenn's on this call. I've seen you train Glenn and I say some of the, some of the best trainers I've ever seen, the two of you, but moving into something like instructional design, you are able to Dan, like just amplify, your ability to impact and, and help learners grow and develop. So yeah.
Scott (23:18.178)
Go ahead, Jared.
Glenn (23:47.261)
Thanks.
Scott (23:47.298)
You know, it's a -
Go ahead, Blaine.
Glenn (23:52.093)
No, I was just saying thanks.
Daniel (23:54.863)
Heh, heh.
Scott (23:57.122)
Thanks, Glenn. Appreciate it.
All right, there it is. Hey, so mine is very similar to what Dan said. There was a moment in my career, I was leading a team and man, I prided myself that we always met deadlines. No matter what, like we would under, we would under promise and over deliver all the time. We were just doing it all the time and knocking it out of the park. And then I got a new boss and we went out to Nando's Perry Perry. You ever been to Nando's?
It's a chicken restaurant. It's awesome. I'm eating chicken. I'm feeling all full of myself. Like I'm so great. I never miss deadlines. My team is awesome. And my boss looked at me and said, you know, the word on the street is you guys never miss a deadline, get a lot of work done. I'm like, yep. Yeah. Word on the street is also, you really don't think about the impact of the business around the things that you're doing. You're just getting as much stuff done and we are going to need to change that. And I had to.
swallow my chicken and think about that. But he was right. He was totally, totally right. Like, you know, we had Lisa Wallace, who is a friend of the show, couldn't be here tonight, but she she mentioned in one of the early episodes like we're not order takers, right? That's not what we do. That's not how we provide value. So it's great to get stuff done. Don't get me wrong. Done is great.
Daniel (25:02.287)
Ha!
Scott (25:21.186)
But what's the value, right? So what's our impact to the business and where should we be spending our time and what kind of impact can we make when it comes to the people that we serve? Those are things that you have to keep in mind. And they go hand in hand. So not just getting stuff done, doing a good job, but making sure it adds value and impact to the business in the right way. Nothing is worse than doing something really awesome that has no impact. So really good stuff. Thanks, everybody. Appreciate that one.
Before we get into our next question, I want to introduce, we're going to start a new section of the show, starting not next episode, but the following episode. And we're going to go ahead and leverage Zeta's experience out there building stuff, using new tech with a new section that we're going to call the Nerdy 30, which is all about what's new and groovy out there that you guys can kind of tap into and play around with.
And so we're going to talk about software in our second section here. Like what are you working with? What do you like? What don't you like? And as our very first introduction to the Nerdy 30, everybody.
Scott (26:38.882)
All right, I will start with Zeta. What do you?
Zeta (26:42.427)
So I know there's just a little bit of time for this, but I wanted to start off by talking about Udio and Suno. I don't know if you guys have heard about it. It's a AI that makes music. And the news that I heard this week that they're recently under fire, they're being sued by the music industry. So I don't know if you guys had heard about that or not. I thought it was pretty interesting.
Scott (26:50.018)
Mm -mm.
Scott (27:07.778)
Which are the two that you mentioned?
Zeta (27:09.755)
Udio and Suno, both. Both of them are under fire, so they're being sued by US record labels.
Scott (27:17.858)
Really? And why are they being sued by US record label? Just because they're... Are they pulling riffs from other songs and mashing them up without... I see.
Zeta (27:23.259)
People.
That's what the claim is. That's what they're thinking. But time will tell. I mean, when they hit the courts, we'll figure that out.
Scott (27:33.474)
That's interesting. Has anybody else played with AI Music Generation? I know, Dan, you played with it. What did you use?
Daniel (27:39.279)
Yes, yes, I think someday we'll share. I used both Suno and Udio and we were joking around and we were gonna make a 100th episode Fabulous Learning Nerds intro and maybe someday we'll share that. Because I think we ended up making like a blues version of it that was pretty good. But maybe not on brand for us. Yes, love that idea, yes. Boom.
Scott (28:00.162)
Why don't we put it at the end of the show? People can stick around and listen to it at the end of the show, folks. That's what we'll do. Yeah.
Zeta (28:07.195)
Sounds good.
Scott (28:08.93)
I played with something today, I can't remember what it was, but it wasn't either one of those and it was pretty terrible. Let's just put it that way. So I went old fashioned, I got some drops off Envato and then for the voice at the end of it, instead of pitching my voice, which is what I would normally do, I used 11 Labs. Huge fan of 11 Labs.
11 Labs is amazing. 11 Labs, if you haven't been using it as a speech to text generator, it actually does speech to speech. So if you want to have full control of what your AI person is going to sound like from an inflection perspective, you can do the voiceover, which begs the question, why don't we just use your voice as a voiceover, right? And then have something else, you know, have somebody else do it. And my gosh, like,
Julia Phelan (28:55.222)
Hahaha.
Daniel (28:56.015)
Ha ha ha ha!
Scott (29:02.818)
Every time I go in it, their library of voices is just incredible. You can also clone a voice last, in the next episode, we talk about my experience with cloning voices and it's pretty amazing. So I do love 11 Labs. I think it's really, really great so long as you're ethical about it. So there it is.
Daniel (29:25.135)
You know, I, yeah. Okay. I'm going to do it. So.
Sam (29:29.51)
Real quick, real quick pause moment. Zeta, is your mic correct? It's very quiet.
Scott (29:31.906)
Go ahead.
Zeta (29:37.147)
Is it really quiet? I'm sorry.
Sam (29:40.678)
It sounds different to anyone else who are normally here.
Scott (29:44.354)
She's a little quiet.
Julia Phelan (29:45.814)
Yeah.
Zeta (29:45.915)
Well, I'm using the mini siren this time. Do I need to lead in closer? Yeah, I've got a different setup.
Sam (29:48.838)
Okay, so it is a mic chain. You might need to lean it a little bit closer.
Scott (29:54.946)
OK. Full transparency. Thanks for pausing us. That's great. I run every episode now. Here's some more software. I also love the new enhanced voice feature that you get in Premiere Pro and other editing software, which make even Glenn Brumley sound amazing. Because Glenn, you sound amazing for sure without an amazing microphone in your room.
Zeta (29:55.067)
Sure, I will do so.
Sam (29:57.062)
Alright.
Daniel (29:57.423)
Hehehe.
Zeta (29:59.707)
Sorry.
Glenn (30:21.14)
I am a train wreck, that's what I am.
Scott (30:23.714)
Yeah, but you don't sound like one. Right now you don't sound like one because I have enhanced you. You sound like a rock god with a small G.
Daniel (30:24.047)
Ha ha!
Zeta (30:26.747)
An excellent trainwreck.
Glenn (30:29.363)
Well, thank you.
Glenn (30:33.747)
Thank you so very much, my friend.
Scott (30:37.122)
That's right. Lord Vader.
Daniel (30:37.231)
Ha!
Scott (30:40.834)
Alright, what other
Daniel (30:41.263)
gonna say.
Glenn (30:41.299)
I am holding a thermodetonator, just for the record.
Daniel (30:45.295)
Yes. I was, I was going to say I've been using Cliff champ. It's not new, but like literally I was pulling together a quick video. I had like less than an hour to pull something together and I didn't have like the Adobe suite like installed on the computer I had picked up and was sitting working on. And I was like, man, I just need something. And I was like, I'll just use clip champ. It's not new, but it's baked in the windows.
Scott (30:45.474)
Zeta (30:48.923)
He came prepared.
Scott (30:50.402)
go ahead, Dan.
Daniel (31:13.967)
And I was pleasantly surprised. It was perfectly serviceable. And I think probably if I needed to make a training video, it would be good for like 80 % of whatever I'd have to make. And I had never used it. And I made a whole minute and a half long video with voiceover in less than an hour.
Julia Phelan (31:38.07)
What is it Dan? What's the?
Daniel (31:39.727)
It's called Clipchamp. It's baked into Windows. I'm so sorry. It's like a video editing suite. Yeah. Julia keeping me honest.
Julia Phelan (31:43.734)
What does it do?
Zeta (31:46.427)
video editing. And if you ever use your snipping tool to capture either images or video, you can import that into Clipchamp. It's part of that same suite.
Julia Phelan (31:48.054)
I see. Sorry.
Julia Phelan (31:52.566)
No.
Julia Phelan (31:57.43)
I see. Got it.
Daniel (32:00.751)
Yeah.
Jared Ramler (32:01.657)
Very cool. Just to stay on this, the theme of AI, looking to translate some actual video training into other languages. And there's software out there, it's called HeyGen. So H -E -Y -G -E -N, HeyGen. And it will automatically convert your voice into whatever your target language is. But also, because it's video, it will take your like...
your lips, your mouth, and it will change the shape and intonation. So it looks like you're actually speaking that language and saying those sounds. So, I mean, it's some next level stuff right there that I think is going to really help to transform how you can quickly and effectively take video training and yeah.
Julia Phelan (32:38.15)
wow.
Sam (32:46.278)
That sounds really impressive.
John Lathbury (32:50.158)
So what happens when you get on a call and they expect you to speak the language?
Julia Phelan (32:53.174)
Yeah.
Jared Ramler (32:53.625)
you
Sam (32:55.43)
You just gotta live with it. You just gotta keep that going.
Daniel (32:55.663)
Surprise!
Zeta (32:58.875)
That's when you hire an interpreter to do it.
Jared Ramler (33:01.369)
You just have to pretend your audio isn't working and then, yeah.
Scott (33:05.954)
Okay, you can't see this, but folks, you can do this at home. Like, raise your hand. Are you having conversations with people that maybe you met through the socials who live in a different country and speak in a different language and you're communicating with them like a regular person? Like, I know I've had, I have several friends who English is not their native tongue that I have met. Google Translate or Translator is built in. It's like, it's like Kitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. We all have.
And by the way, they do make translators that go around your ear like a babel fish. Or is it the babel fish? I forget. It is a babel fish. But what an amazing world we live in where we can actually have conversations and learn from each other no matter what our language is. I think that's really, really cool. So thanks for bringing that up.
Zeta (33:41.147)
I think it's the babblefish.
John Lathbury (33:53.71)
Have you seen the glasses that translate sign language into audio for people?
Daniel (33:59.247)
No.
Scott (33:59.778)
No.
John Lathbury (34:00.878)
Yeah, you should look them up. They're still developmental, but it's a video camera and it reads the person's gestures, the facial expression, because most sign languages are very facially based as well, and it will actually play audio so that you can understand what they were saying.
Julia Phelan (34:00.918)
Wow.
Scott (34:16.154)
my goodness, I, wow.
Julia Phelan (34:16.982)
That's cool.
Daniel (34:17.007)
John, do you know the name of them?
John Lathbury (34:19.182)
I don't, it was something that popped up on Reddit.
Daniel (34:22.447)
You tease.
Scott (34:22.562)
Well, while other people are talking, you could go Google that.
Jared Ramler (34:23.001)
I want one that does the opposite.
Daniel (34:27.887)
No pressure.
Jared Ramler (34:28.749)
I want one that does the opposite where you can speak and it will somehow like take your gestures and make you do the sign language so you can communicate with well I don't know if that's possible or
Glenn (34:29.039)
They're apparently the...
Sam (34:30.47)
That is what I am about to go do.
Scott (34:39.49)
wow.
Daniel (34:40.815)
That would be awesome.
Scott (34:44.61)
So we're all going to be in a good place when the aliens attack and we have to stay quiet like a quiet place, right?
John Lathbury (34:44.622)
called Sign Glasses.
Zeta (34:44.635)
Weird.
Jared Ramler (34:50.873)
That's right.
Daniel (34:51.407)
Yes. Yes.
John Lathbury (34:53.998)
So the glasses are called sign glasses, appropriately enough. Their website is just signglasses .com.
Zeta (35:00.635)
Nice.
Daniel (35:00.703)
very cool. Very, very cool.
Scott (35:02.53)
Quick sidebar.
Jared Ramler (35:02.681)
Are we getting sponsorships for this by the way? We're promoting a lot of good software here. You guys should, you should be capitalizing on this.
Scott (35:11.362)
We should. If anybody wants to give us a sponsor.
Daniel (35:12.655)
Anybody who just got promoted, please feel free.
Zeta (35:18.939)
Truth.
Scott (35:19.81)
Did anybody buy any of those AR glasses? Either the, what is it, the new Quest is that it? Or.
Daniel (35:26.767)
Not the new Quest, but the X -Real Air and it's in my shopping cart on Amazon right now. And I'm probably going to click the buy button tonight or tomorrow. It's been there all week. They are. They are. They're AR glasses you put on. They plug into like a phone. I'm getting the one that comes with the AR, the X -Real beam. So it has its own little like phone device and I've almost bought them for the past year and I put them in my cart on the weekend and I'm like, okay.
Julia Phelan (35:27.414)
No.
Scott (35:36.706)
OK, are those AR?
Daniel (35:55.087)
If they're still there by the end of the week, I'm just gonna hit ship. Cause I've been trying to talk myself out of it, but I haven't talked myself out of it yet.
Julia Phelan (35:57.75)
Ha ha!
Scott (35:58.562)
Wah.
Scott (36:03.202)
Anybody else buy new iTech like that? That's kind of cool.
Joey Acklin (36:07.409)
not cool because my eyesight's awful and I'm very upset about all the cool technology that I can't use because my eyesight again is awful. So everyone with glasses on the call, represent.
Scott (36:10.402)
Right.
Scott (36:16.546)
Let's go.
Yeah, no, my eyesight's getting, I've got old, my eyesight's got really bad, but you know, I hear that you can get lenses now for your VR headset so that you can actually read what's going on, right?
Daniel (36:19.695)
Ha ha ha.
Glenn (36:20.27)
Yeah.
Sam (36:20.838)
Honestly?
Sam (36:31.398)
You can, ADA accessibility is improving with VR headsets and all in all with high technology things like the things that are made for people with perfect vision aren't very well accommodating to people who have glasses, but that is slowly improving. That sadly has been a trend I've noticed with tech.
Scott (36:52.706)
Yeah. I tried on the Ray -Bans. They're not AR. Have you guys seen the, what is that, techie Ray -Bans?
Julia Phelan (37:01.654)
Yeah.
Daniel (37:02.543)
Yeah.
Scott (37:03.65)
Anybody actually buy them?
Daniel (37:06.223)
Having got the Ray -Bans, I have a pair of the Razer, I remember what they're called, the Razer Smart Glasses. They have the good mics, they've got stereo mics built into each of the earpieces, and then the earpieces have really good headphones. And I really enjoy them, they're really good quality. I don't need glasses, so I feel it's a little bit vain to walk around with them on, but they're great, and they're a little dorky.
Scott (37:13.122)
huh.
Daniel (37:35.695)
the frames aren't like the best in the world. Back to that vanity thing. But the mic quality is really good and the earbud quality, like how they don't sit in your ear, they sit just outside. And I really, really enjoy them. If I'm gonna go like have like a talk and I'm gonna be walking, like if I've just like, I have a talk with somebody in the phones in my pocket, I prefer those over like in earbud.
Scott (38:04.642)
Awesome. Julia, you've been a little quiet about you. What have you been working with?
Julia Phelan (38:10.55)
Hmm, I think least beloved I'll start there is probably slack or Yeah, or anything that is just another communication channel that I have to add to the other 500 million that I'm already expected to communicate on so but slack in particular I just I'm not a fan
Scott (38:38.05)
Why are you, I'm not a fan either, but I'm curious why you're not a fan of Slack.
Julia Phelan (38:41.462)
Gosh all sorts of re I mean I think partly because I feel like it it is taking place of something that already exists so why do I need that too and Just I don't know all of the different channels and it just feels overwhelming to me and it just I don't know I just I and then I've got to decide where do I want to post this thing? Which channel does it go into and and I can't keep up with it and it just it just
Scott (38:51.778)
Mm -hmm.
Julia Phelan (39:09.974)
I don't know, I just don't like it.
Scott (39:12.738)
Which of those communication teams like software do you actually enjoy?
Julia Phelan (39:21.238)
probably none. I mean, I would just...
Daniel (39:24.463)
hahahahah
Scott (39:26.594)
Okay, that's fair. Fair enough.
Julia Phelan (39:28.15)
I mean, I just, I would just like to, I mean, I'm, I know this is maybe old school, but you know, I'm happy for people just to email me. That's fine. I don't need, you know, to be, yeah, I just feel like it's just too many things to check. And then, you know, when people will write to you in Facebook or something like that, like a Facebook message, I'm like, why, why would I see that? That I don't need another channel to communicate. Why don't you just email me or text me or something? So I just don't, I don't want to have
Jared Ramler (39:38.393)
Just write you a letter, put it in the post office and...
Julia Phelan (39:57.494)
600 channels to check and I think poor Slack ends up taking the brunt of that. I also hate Teams, but we'll save that. Let's switch to positive. I don't want to be going to negative town, but I think nice things. And I think this is a, I don't know if it's tech, perhaps, maybe it is. I really like the noun project. Yeah.
That just makes me happy. So I'll say it.
Scott (40:29.794)
What is the noun project for those people that don't know what it is? Tell us what it is. Yeah.
Sam (40:30.022)
I absolutely love NotNown project.
Daniel (40:30.863)
Love, love Noun Project.
Julia Phelan (40:33.206)
Yeah. So the NAMM project is a site and you can join for a relatively nominal fee and I would encourage you to join and I like to pay people for their creativity and so you can join it and you can search for any icon or very simple illustrations icons that you want. They have everything. They've got hand drawn stuff. You could say, I want a set of
medical icons and then you could decide do I want ones that are sort of modern or do I want ones that are doodly or there's all kinds of things and then you can customize the colors of it of them you can customize the backgrounds if you could just be transparent or it could have a circle or square background you could change the color of that it also has a Plug -in is that what you call it or a thing that you could? Insert it into PowerPoint whatever that term is
And it's just a, I mean it has, it's simple, it has limitations. You can't have two colors in the same icon, things like that, but you can have a colored icon in a different colored background. I just think it's really cool and creative and I love it.
Daniel (41:48.719)
I love Noun Project. I used it today. Yeah.
Scott (41:49.186)
and necessary to
Julia Phelan (41:51.606)
Yes, I love it.
Sam (41:53.222)
I also use Bound Project today. Yeah.
Julia Phelan (41:55.606)
Did you? Nice.
Scott (41:56.962)
Okay, raise your hand who used non -project today.
Julia Phelan (41:59.734)
I didn't use it today, but yesterday, so.
Scott (42:02.626)
Everybody had their hand up except for Zeta. She's got something just as cool. I'm sure Only Joey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Sam. Did you chat about your software yet?
Daniel (42:03.823)
close enough.
Ha ha ha.
Sam (42:15.846)
I did not. I actually have to think of a different one because mine was actually going to be noun project. Yeah, you kind of beat me to that one. Maybe I can just talk about noun project more. It's one of the few things that I keep up with a subscription with because they just have such a large library of things that are both very common symbols if you're looking for some variation in different things and some really
Julia Phelan (42:21.174)
I scooped you!
Daniel (42:22.127)
Ha ha!
Julia Phelan (42:28.534)
Sure.
Daniel (42:28.975)
Ha ha ha ha!
Zeta (42:29.339)
you
Sam (42:45.894)
really niche things as well. Like for example, I'm going back to PLCs, I needed a little simple for like one of the robots that are the articulated robots that can move around and pick stuff up. Yeah, they had a bunch of those for like little little icons and stuff. So even if you need something like very specific, Noun Project has been able to deliver on that for me.
Julia Phelan (43:01.27)
Yeah.
Scott (43:12.642)
Glenn.
Glenn (43:15.022)
Scott.
Scott (43:16.194)
Your turn, sir.
Glenn (43:18.03)
Well, I mean, I'm not so much into the tech stuff. I lately have been, it's about drone tech for me because of what I do for a living. A lot of the safety stuff, we're starting to get into a lot of working with drones. So it was, it's fun, you know, to see where they're going and the stuff that they're coming out with. You want to say user friendly is an understatement. Nowadays it's like the one we just got now. I literally just, once I
I lay out what I'm looking at. I hit a button, it does it all by itself. And it's incredible. And this stuff is jumping by leaps and bounds. It blows my mind. The first one we had, we had for about 11 minutes until I crashed it.
Daniel (44:02.99)
hahahaha
Scott (44:03.842)
I was going to ask that because I would crash them 100%.
Glenn (44:05.985)
It was definitely an interesting experience because I was like, wow, that tree came up a whole lot quicker than I was expecting. The second one we got, I crashed that one too. That one hit the side of a bridge. Depth issue, what can I tell you? But luckily now that the newer stuff out there is really, it's impressive, it really is. And then tech -wise, I'm still messing around like the Adobe.
week for my podcast. So that's it.
Scott (44:37.881)
Yeah, but you don't.
Daniel (44:38.415)
I'm hearing that you shouldn't be flying drones. That's what I just took away from that.
Glenn (44:43.9)
no, absolutely. I have to get an FAA, not a license, but it's like a certificate because of the certain height levels and stuff like that. And I'm like, and the first words out of my mouth were like, do I get to fly a plane now? And they're like, no, no, no, you don't. I'm like, well, this is kind of a bummer, man. So yeah, the new one now, literally once I get on the computer and I just, and it is user friendly. That's the one thing I will say, cause I am.
Daniel (45:00.143)
You
John Lathbury (45:05.257)
You
Glenn (45:10.816)
about as close to a Neanderthal as it happens. So, but yeah, this stuff's incredible.
Scott (45:20.098)
All right. cool. That's great. Anything else anybody wants to talk about? Or we've all nerded out on groovy stuff. Joey has some. Go ahead, John. I'm sorry.
Glenn (45:20.384)
Alright.
John Lathbury (45:28.989)
I've got kind of a weird one. It's a little less training focused, but a little more presentation focused. Some time ago, very quietly, Microsoft released the ability for a Power BI dashboard to be live embedded in a PowerPoint. So what that's done for my leadership team is I build them a dashboard.
they embed it in their PowerPoint and then next month they just hit refresh and all the numbers update. They don't have to do anything else. And it saves more prep time than should ever be required to build a PowerPoint and they can have the live data updated. But it has a really neat feature for distribution where you can lock it and say, don't update anymore. This is now a static image. And now you can distribute it to people who don't have access to your data set.
So from a presentation point of view, it's awesome to be able to say, this was the snapshot this month, I save a new file, I update, here's the snapshot for next month. And that's all it takes is hitting a refresh and save.
Scott (46:30.082)
That's awesome. Joey.
Joey Acklin (46:33.905)
I'm gonna get super quick. Recently, I've been learning some HTML and some coding and some JavaScript to be able to do web objects and storyline. So basically making full HTML websites and web pages to simulate a fake software. So it's all in the tool itself versus having to do screenshots and hoping for the best with storyline. So that's been a lot of fun. So Sublime Text, it's free, but you can do a bunch of HTML or a lot of other coding in it and they'll let you publish it and do whatever. So like maybe more adjacent to training, but.
doing more advanced stuff and trying to get good simulations and stuff that like can be reused over and over again, building out that coding. So it's nice.
Scott (47:12.706)
Simulation and training is important. That's where you and I met, right? So that's awesome, which is why when I need something like that, I call Joey. Joey, help me out. That's awesome. Yeah. Hey, that's great. Love. We could probably talk all night about tech, but I don't want to do that. I want to let everybody have the opportunity to talk a little bit about some memories of the show. Before we do that, I do want to take a special
Joey Acklin (47:17.425)
Yeah.
Scott (47:42.69)
moment to thank Abby Dawson who was with us for a long time and she is not with us tonight because she's a mom and she's the greatest mom that I know next to all the other moms that are here tonight like and she's just totally awesome and I don't think that we would make it to 100 if it wasn't for the efforts of Abby so we wish Abby the best of luck and we I
Daniel (48:00.079)
Hahaha.
Scott (48:11.01)
I really hope sometimes she finds some time to come back on the show, but you have been following her and what she's doing. And she's just a wonderful human, which is probably one of the best things about about this show is all the wonderful humans that I've had the opportunity to meet. Certainly, Abby was one of them. So here's to you, Abby.
Scott (48:41.57)
All right, this is where you can go ahead and share wonderful memories or take cheap shots at Dan and myself, and not Zeta. So go ahead.
Daniel (48:51.791)
Mwahahahaha
Julia Phelan (48:53.942)
I'll go. I'm not going to take any cheap shots. I would say some favorite moments, well, both, I think, meeting you guys and then having the opportunity to talk to you outside of the show. And I did a little guest spot in one of Dan's workshops or training courses that he was doing. So that was fun. Got to meet his cohort of folks who he was instructing.
Daniel (49:13.775)
Yes.
Julia Phelan (49:21.462)
So that was fun. And maybe my favorite moment was appearing on the show with my favorite person, my husband, who is a super smart, amazing educator. So we had fun, you know, bouncing things back and forth together, which is pretty much what we do all the time. So I always feel lucky to be married to someone who is cool and smart and
hot -dog -ed but also is interested in the same stuff that I'm interested in.
Scott (49:55.49)
still the only couple we've ever had on the show. So you should hold on to that. We haven't had any other couples. And maybe not ever again, but you never know. So that's a good thing. Well, Dan and Zeddy, you guys don't count. You're here all the time.
Julia Phelan (49:58.582)
yeah.
Julia Phelan (50:05.59)
Well, after that one, okay.
Daniel (50:11.567)
I see, I see.
Scott (50:14.754)
As guests, the only couple as guests on the show. How's that?
Daniel (50:16.783)
There you go. There you go. No, no, no. The moment's already ruined. You already ruined it. It's done.
Julia Phelan (50:23.478)
Anyway, but that was fun and we enjoyed ourselves and we always love listening to you. And one of the one I just want to say really fast is last time I talked to Scott, I got to tell him that I just listened to an episode and it was an episode, I think Dan, you were leading and it was all about making mistakes. And he said something like, we're not gonna edit this one. I'm just gonna go for it. We're not gonna edit, I'll go back. And I talked to Scott maybe a week after that.
Daniel (50:41.903)
Hehehehe
Julia Phelan (50:50.774)
And I said, I know you said you weren't gonna edit that. I said, but I think there was a problem with it. And do you remember that Scott? And there was like some weird like glitch. And I kept thinking, is this really happening? Or, cause I thought Scott was messing with you and I thought he was making a noise to try and like goad you into saying, okay, we will edit this out. But then it turned out it was a glitch.
Scott (50:57.058)
Yes. Yes.
Daniel (51:03.343)
Heheheheh
Yeah, that was awesome Scott told us like the next day he's like guys, I know he said we weren't but we're gonna have to
Scott (51:22.178)
I usually listen to most of our shows because I want to get better, right? I'm not perfect. But that one I'm like, nah, it's all about failure. And then here's Julia. I couldn't listen, man, because you just, it was some weird glitch in the matrix that I was going over and over and over. And again, that's why I edit every show.
Julia Phelan (51:39.414)
Yeah.
Julia Phelan (51:45.942)
Yeah. So I really thought you were being funny and I thought that was funny, but after a while I thought, well, all right, we get it. It's not that funny anymore.
Scott (51:55.106)
Audio is really important. For those people that want to do a podcast, you want to learn from us. If you're going to do an audio podcast, you better have good audio. If you're going to do a video podcast, you better have good video because otherwise your audience is just going to drop out. Yes, it's really important. Thank you, Julia, for saving that episode. It was a great episode.
Daniel (51:55.343)
Hahaha!
Daniel (52:03.567)
What?
Julia Phelan (52:17.014)
I'll be your QA person any day.
Scott (52:19.426)
we love it. That's great.
Daniel (52:19.887)
hahahaha
Jared Ramler (52:22.841)
Scott, I enjoyed, because I think we recorded right around Halloween, and I remember you talking about your Halloween house. And yes, you've even got to appropriately wearing a t -shirt today that says October forever.
Scott (52:36.354)
forever.
Daniel (52:37.295)
You
Scott (52:40.258)
I appreciate that. I'm not afraid to show my love for all things trick or treat, which I think is really, really cool. And it is, Summerween came early this year. If you guys are in the spooky shopping season, about three weeks ago, At Home started dropping. Cracker Barrel, Cracker Barrel just dropped their Halloween stuff. Usually it's after the fourth, but they're early this year.
If you want the groovy, spooky stuff, you gotta go out there and get it right away. I'm already broke, so thanks for reminding me, Jared. That's really great.
Daniel (53:15.503)
Ha ha ha!
Sam (53:15.718)
It is powerful how much I want the 15 foot tall skeleton to loom over my house.
Scott (53:22.114)
the Home Depot one. You know, they, I don't have that one, but they, they actually remodeled it this last year. And if I have to be honest, they Home Depot, my gosh, I promised myself, I wouldn't talk about this, but I've already breaking it. Home Depot. you can preorder that stuff. They re they redesigned that skeleton now. so the OG one is worth a lot of money, probably close to a thousand dollars, but the new ones are about 450, 450 for the 15 foot one. Yeah.
Daniel (53:23.215)
Hehehehehe
Sam (53:25.318)
Yeah, that one.
Joey Acklin (53:52.209)
So there's one on the way not far from my house that's been there since Halloween last year and they never took it down. So you're saying I should acquire it. That's what I'm hearing.
Daniel (54:02.798)
Yes.
Scott (54:03.202)
You should.
Glenn (54:03.325)
Yes, yes you should.
Sam (54:04.742)
I mean, in my opinion, their year -round decor, like Christmas time, put a hat on it. Like, you know, put a Santa hat on it. Valentine's Day, it can be holding a heart. Like, it's versatile. Yeah. Like, you get it.
Zeta (54:14.939)
Dress up as a turkey for Thanksgiving. Just keep on it. Yeah
John Lathbury (54:18.862)
I recently saw one decorated for May the 4th with the hair buns and the robe and a lightsaber, and it was glorious.
Scott (54:26.562)
Glorious.
Glenn (54:27.549)
I had neighbors for the longest time that had a skeleton and they changed it out for every holiday. And it was, I loved it. I was like, you guys are awesome. Can't even.
John Lathbury (54:36.686)
I want to put one in the woods behind Dan's house but not tell him.
Glenn (54:40.989)
I'm up for that. Let me know when.
Daniel (54:42.351)
Thanks. Thanks.
John Lathbury (54:42.862)
No, we can't say it on here. We'll figure it out.
Daniel (54:45.391)
Yeah, yeah. So I had a different favorite moment until we spent the past couple of minutes talking about 15 foot skeletons from Home Depot. And now this is my favorite moment.
Glenn (54:45.885)
Okay, just text me.
Scott (55:00.77)
I need you guys to help me with my favorite question that I've ever asked on the show. And that is whether or not Back to the Future is a perfect movie. I believe it is and Dan does not. So, round the horn, Back to the Future, perfect movie or not. John?
Daniel (55:19.503)
Wait, wait, wait, can I give them, can I give them the alternative?
Scott (55:24.61)
Yeah, you can give them the alternative, but yeah, give them the alternative.
Daniel (55:29.327)
Okay, thank you. I heard the begrudgingness. Okay, guys, listen. Audience, everybody, this is important. There's a few things going on in the world, lots of important things, but near the top of the list is which is the better, more perfect movie? Back to the Future or Galaxy Quest.
Scott (55:51.874)
Okay, round the horn.
Sam (55:52.23)
Galaxy Quest, I'll break the silence.
John Lathbury (55:55.982)
I'm going to second that one, I'm sorry. I love Back to the Future, but Galaxy Quest is a masterpiece.
Daniel (55:58.063)
OHHHH, off to an early lead!
Zeta (55:59.451)
It's got Alan. It's got -
Julia Phelan (56:00.79)
to the future hands down.
Scott (56:02.146)
Okay. Thank you, Julia.
Daniel (56:03.407)
Julia, how could you betray me?
Zeta (56:06.043)
I gotta say Galaxy Quest because it's got Sigourney Weaver and Alan Rickman. So I'm sorry, Scott.
Julia Phelan (56:06.166)
you
Daniel (56:08.879)
YEEAAAHHHH
Scott (56:13.314)
2, 3, 4 for Galaxy Quest.
Glenn (56:15.344)
Dan, Dan, I gotta tell you, you're gonna have to go down on this one. It's Back to the Future. It's Christopher Lloyd at his best. I'm sorry.
Daniel (56:22.063)
You're wrong and you're bad and no one likes you.
Glenn (56:24.944)
You know what, here's a thought. Here's a thought. We'll talk about this later when we're face to face, then we'll decide who really is right.
Daniel (56:31.471)
Yeah. Jared, Joey, no pressure, but our friendship rides on your answer. Go.
Zeta (56:32.027)
Mmm.
Jared Ramler (56:37.081)
What are we at here? What is this, four to four?
Scott (56:39.906)
No, it's 3 -4, so yeah.
Joey Acklin (56:40.081)
Things like f -
Jared Ramler (56:43.097)
All right, Joey, you go.
Joey Acklin (56:44.561)
Well, I won't be a wildcard and say no, Trimmers is better, obviously.
Scott (56:48.642)
No, it's 4 -4. No, no, no, no, wild card. You can't do that. You can't do that.
Zeta (56:50.843)
It's...
Joey Acklin (56:53.457)
So I'm gonna say for the record Galaxy Quest because I watched it more than Back to the Future and I'm also gonna say Back to the Future, I think it's a great movie but I think people remember like the movies, like the multiple movies together not the first one by itself. Does that make sense? I can watch Galaxy Quest by itself multiple times. I pick and choose Back to the Future, those movies but I wanna watch one or the other like so. It's not like the whole, like I think that's my take.
Scott (57:17.506)
All right.
Daniel (57:21.103)
Yes!
Sam (57:21.286)
I think that's a great take, honestly. Because if I'm thinking this like, Back to the Future, I'm also lumping together like, Two, which is an amazing movie. Like, if you're telling me to decide between Back to the Future Two, me too.
Daniel (57:24.463)
Jared.
Scott (57:32.226)
Yeah.
Daniel (57:33.039)
I like two better than the first one.
Jared Ramler (57:36.889)
Two is phenomenal, but to extend that, three is actually a detractor.
Scott (57:38.402)
Okay, it's up to Jared. It's either gonna be a tie or we're gonna go to Galaxy Quest. Jared?
Jared Ramler (57:45.561)
Well, I'm probably not the best person to reply because I've never seen Galaxy Quest. So that should answer the question right there. It is Back to the Future, which is, I do think, a perfect film.
Scott (57:48.45)
Yes, you are.
Zeta (57:56.251)
Hmm
John Lathbury (57:56.782)
I don't think you can make a fair assessment until you've seen Galaxy Quest.
Julia Phelan (58:02.294)
I think you can. I don't think you did.
Daniel (58:02.767)
Listen. Listen. Li -
Scott (58:03.234)
I think you can, I really do. I'm gonna ask some follow -up questions directly at Dan, ready? Yes or no questions, these are yes or no questions, are you ready? All right, does Dalaxy Quest have a Broadway musical?
Glenn (58:03.952)
Work it. Work it.
Jared Ramler (58:04.121)
I think if it were a perfect, John, John, I think if it were a...
Daniel (58:10.927)
huh, huh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, shoot, shoot.
Daniel (58:20.559)
No, because it doesn't need one.
Scott (58:21.698)
No. Thank you. Okay, great. Did Galaxy Quest have a ride at Universal Studios?
Zeta (58:23.771)
Beetlejuice does, though.
Daniel (58:30.319)
No, because it doesn't need one. Objection, leading the witness.
Julia Phelan (58:32.63)
You
Scott (58:35.33)
These are just valid valid valid questions that you know kind of need to be answered around that. I guess we're still kind of have to you know...
Sam (58:45.126)
does Back to the Future have Alan Rickman?
Daniel (58:51.087)
No!
Scott (58:51.234)
No. But it has Michael J. Fox.
John Lathbury (58:53.87)
Yep. Let's hit the cast list up between the two. I'm sorry, Galaxy Quest wins by sheer cast star power.
Scott (59:02.434)
All right. We are never gonna solve for this and we're gonna bore our audience to death.
Julia Phelan (59:03.51)
No.
Daniel (59:04.079)
Okay, real quick. David Mamet. Okay, so let's see here. I'm looking for it. David Mamet has named The Godfather, A Place in the Sun, and Galaxy Quest as three of his four perfect films. That's a quick Google search. It's just easy. I just took a quick look. I asked Google, what's the most perfect movies? You know what's not on the list? No, I don't know. It doesn't say. I was hoping to glance over that, Jared.
Jared Ramler (59:24.025)
Is the fourth one back to the future? You said three of the four. I'm like, well, the fourth one's probably back to the future.
Daniel (59:33.583)
Listen, listen, I was gonna say, Galaxy Quest is the better movie and if I had to fight a bear or a wildcat, I would choose the wildcat.
Scott (59:33.762)
All right, other.
Daniel (59:48.623)
Sorry, inside joke with, yeah, with three quarters of people here.
Jared Ramler (59:48.921)
That is the real question. That is the real question.
John Lathbury (59:51.598)
You're wrong on answer B, I'm sorry, but I'll accept answer A.
Jared Ramler (59:56.281)
And Dan, that is the correct answer by the way, Dan, to that question. Wildcat.
Daniel (01:00:00.463)
Yeah
Scott (01:00:02.498)
Other memories from the show you guys want to bring up?
John Lathbury (01:00:05.806)
I want to call out Joey the imposter syndrome episode because that's something that I struggle with to this day. And it always amazed me because Joey gives off zero imposter vibe in anything he does. And yet he tells us, I get imposter syndrome. Like, I just don't entirely believe you. I think you're trying to have imposter syndrome to make us feel better about it.
Daniel (01:00:26.287)
cow.
Scott (01:00:31.682)
What do you guys say about that, Joey?
Joey Acklin (01:00:35.569)
I feel like I'm an imposter here right now. I'm just like hiding in the throes of all these professionals hoping for the best.
Scott (01:00:44.994)
Now you're all doing great. Hey, listen, I want to thank everybody for your thoughts, your memories, the cool tech, your misguided movie interpretations, all that other good stuff. We really want to thank you for that today.
Julia Phelan (01:00:54.902)
You
Scott (01:01:08.13)
Yeah, I know, right? Woohoo!
All right, hey, Daniel -san, could you do me a favor and let our audience know not just how they can connect with us, but some of the cool and groovy stuff that they can expect in the months and years to come.
Daniel (01:01:28.187)
Absolutely. Party people. Guys, you know what's up. Email us at nerds at TheLearningNerds .com. Help us to solve the problem of our era, which is the more perfect movie. Put it in the subject line when you email us. Just start the subject line with Galaxy Quest and that'll be fine. No, I'm just kidding. We would love to hear from you. And again,
Scott (01:01:48.642)
future
Daniel (01:01:55.759)
Even if you don't want to write, that's fine. Thank you. Thank you for tuning in. Thank you for listening. And thank you for making 100 episodes possible. We are super excited for the next 100. If you're on Facebook, at Learning Nerds is where you can find us. For Instagram, fablearningnerds. Lastly, more information about us, what we do and updates, www .thelearningnerds .com. I want to talk about that for a second. Guys, in the background over the past year, we have been doing some big and exciting things. We've been kind of...
quiet about it. We have launched a business, honest to goodness, where the people who you listen to each and every week, we're building content, we're partnering with businesses, we're helping build fun and fantastic learning futures. And we're super excited about it. And we'd love to talk more if you're interested in that kind of stuff. Last year, we also took on a whole group of folks and we taught them how to be certified learning nerds. We taught them how to be
Instructional designers and learning professionals Julia mentioned it and she was able to roll in and be one of our guest speakers And it was super fantastic and everyone was super excited Sam who's been stepped in to be our producer was one of the students there guys It is awesome. We are doing some fun and exciting things. You're gonna see some changes to the website in the coming weeks Don't panic Stick with us. The podcast isn't gonna end. We're just gonna do bigger better more
And we want you guys to come along for the ride with us. You can't wait. Scott back at ya.
Scott (01:06:08.322)
Thanks, Dan. Thanks, everyone. And thanks to all of you for listening. Want to take a special shout out to remind everybody to, hey, will you do me a favor? Will you hit that subscribe button? Will you hit that like button?
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Daniel (01:07:00.847)
I'm Dan.
Zeta (01:07:02.715)
I'm Zeta.
Joey Acklin (01:07:06.353)
I'm Joey because I don't know the order.
Glenn (01:07:08.846)
.
Scott (01:07:11.298)
John.
John Lathbury (01:07:12.349)
I'm John and I don't know the order either.
Jared Ramler (01:07:14.041)
I'm Jared. I'm Jared.
Glenn (01:07:19.264)
I'm glad
Scott (01:07:19.618)
I'm somebody's dog. Sam? Sam?
Sam (01:07:23.398)
I'm Sam.
Julia Phelan (01:07:25.942)
I'm Julia.
Daniel (01:07:29.167)
This is the best outro ever!
Scott (01:07:31.202)
Zeta.
Zeta (01:07:32.827)
Yeah, I'm Zeta. Yeah, I already did. Yeah, I was third.
. And we're your fabulous learning nerds, and we look forward to another 100 episodes together, and we are out.