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Work like you’re not a parent.
Parent like you don’t work.
What if that whole system is wrong?
This is Full Stack Moms, and we are Mallory Lee and Shannon Curran, two working moms navigating tech careers, parenting, and everything in between. We talk about why the traditional rules of work don’t fit modern parents and how women in tech are doing things differently. Through honest conversations and behind-the-scenes stories, this show explores careers, caregiving, ambition, and the messy reality of having it all, just not all at once.
Connect with Mallory: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mallorylee/
Connect with Shannon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannon-sweeny-curran/
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[00:00:00] Alli Tunell: just because you're having a situation right now where it's easy for you to balance everything doesn't mean everyone else is, and we can't just assume that it's because they're not doing their best.
[00:00:08] That everyone's trying their best, you know?
[00:00:12] Suzanne Slaughter: This is Full Stack Moms.
[00:00:13] Shannon Curran: This is not a parenting podcast nor a business podcast, but a place where we talk building careers in tech, raising kids at home, and making it work in public. . Alli, thank you for coming to talk to us today. And our usual sort of intro is just a little bit about you and your family, um, how many kids you have, who lives in your house, and what do you do for work?
[00:00:38] Alli Tunell: Yeah. Okay, so I'm Ally. I have two kids. I have a five-and-a-half-year-old girl, Penelope, and a one-and-a-half-year-old boy, Silas. Um, there's that four-year age gap, which was, like, really intentional for me. I wish it was a little shorter. I had a harder time getting pregnant with Silas, but, um, essentially zero to one was like, it rocked my [00:01:00] world.
[00:01:00] I had a really hard time with it, and I wasn't sure if I wanted a second kid, and I just really needed to adjust. So I, I love talking about that just in case anybody has ever felt that way too. Like zero to one rocked me. And then I have, um, I have just me and my husband at home, and, we both work remote.
[00:01:19] He also works in tech. He works for Greenhouse as an account manager. So, um, that's been really helpful for us that we're both remote. Um, it's really the only way we can do it because we don't have any family nearby. so we rely on daycare and each other. so we've learned to flex for each other.
[00:01:38] Sometimes he's the primary parent, sometimes I am, depending on what's going on. Um, and then for work, I work for a content marketing agency that's based in London. So I start my day around like 7:00-ish, and I end around 3:00 or 4:00, um, which is good for the school schedule. My husband usually does, uh, drop off and I do pickup.
[00:01:57] And it's been wonderful. I've learned a [00:02:00] lot the last, like, five years on trying to find the right, like, situation for me and what I need right now, and this company has very much been that. So yeah, really grateful to be there. Yeah.
[00:02:13] Mallory Lee: Cool
[00:02:13] Shannon Curran: that's, I'm so happy to hear that. So I met Ally, I think this is probably good context, a few years ago. Was this 2023? I was trying to guess what year it was. Or 2020, or maybe early 2024. I'm trying to think. I had a, I had a baby, so it was probably early 2024. So, um, Alli used to have a podcast called Shifting Priorities, which was, like, a, a part of the inspiration, I feel like, for me, for this show, where she talked to moms, uh, that were, like, going back, like, going back to work and trying to figure out, like, how...
[00:02:45] You could probably describe the ethos of your show better than I can. But, um, of trying to figure out, like, how to make this all work. And I was, uh, a guest on Ally's podcast from, like, right when I started my business. I feel like I had just announced it. Like, it was, like, the [00:03:00] week after. And I listened back to the episode recently, and I was like, " Oh, sweet baby," like, "you knew nothing."
[00:03:07] Like, like I had a single child, I had one that was five months old, so like not even a human being yet. And I had a b- business that was like two weeks old. Uh, but I really appreciate that, that version of myself that kind of had the delusion to just like keep moving forward, right? Um, but, uh, and you and I have stayed in touch over the years of like both having additional children and changing jobs.
[00:03:31] And I know for you it's like been a, a journey of figuring out, like you were saying, like what is the right structure for you? Like, what is the right role? What is the right like ... You know, I think I find a lot of freedom in working on my own, but that, that really wasn't a great fit for you. So like I think that's, uh, I would love to hear us talking a little bit about that journey for you, and then also like you're just a plethora of knowledge in ter- in terms of like motherhood and working and like all of the things.
[00:03:57] So, yeah, I am so excited you're here. I don't know why it [00:04:00] took this long, but I'm
[00:04:00] Alli Tunell: Oh, no. I mean, to be fair, like when you were on the show, like you were in the midst of like, you were in the prime time like of just having a baby and going back to work and like being like, "Oh my God." Like this was such a, like a eye-opening time for you. I loved having you on. I thought it was so fun.
[00:04:18] Um, but yeah
[00:04:19] Mallory Lee: good, like, a good record of who you were at that time, which is really cool
[00:04:25] Shannon Curran: It is cool. Yeah, it's like a little archive piece that I can have for years to come
[00:04:30] Alli Tunell: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think like for me, so, um, I graduated right in the, like around the first recession, you know, the housing crisis. Um, and so like, uh,
[00:04:42] yeah. Right.
[00:04:44] Shannon Curran: I was the next recession. I was like the next one. You know what I mean? Like, when there was like a, a, a ripple a few years later, so I get it.
[00:04:50] Alli Tunell: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, and so like it was really hard to find a job and like I was just like instantly grinding. I also, I don't think I've told a [00:05:00] lot of this story about me, but, um, when I was 18, I, I met my f- my first partner and, um, we were ready to get married at 21. And like we were getting engaged, like it was, it was so much.
[00:05:12] And yeah, and he, um, he wanted me-- He used to say like... It's wild, I think back on this a lot and I'm like, "Whoa, girl." Um, but he used to be like, "You're gonna go to culinary school after we graduate so you can like learn how to cook healthy meals for me and the kids. And you can do that for fun, but that'll j- you'll just be like a mom and cooking for me and the kids."
[00:05:35] Shannon Curran: What is this, 1940?
[00:05:37] Alli Tunell: No, I know. Um, you can imagine what he's like now. Um, but yeah. Yeah.
[00:05:45] Shannon Curran: I als- just knowing you, that feels so strange. Like, uh, knowing you as a person, that just feels, like, so out of left field. Like, I, I know some people are very happy in that situation, but for you, it just feels, like, very, very odd
[00:05:57] Alli Tunell: Yeah. I mean, and at the time I was [00:06:00] like, I was okay, you know, like I was okay with it, and I wanted that. You know, I was a horse girl growing up, like I was an equestrian and, um, you know, he was like, "We can have a barn with horses." So it was like, at the time he was like speaking to me and it was appealing to me.
[00:06:15] but then like, I kinda like, I got this internship right out of college, and it was with a magazine called Runway Magazine, and I was like writing for them, and that was the dream, right? Like, I'm standard millennial girl who like watched Devil Wears Prada, How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, and wanted to work at a magazine.
[00:06:33] So like, getting that job, I was like, "Oh my gosh, I can like have a career. I can do things." And, um, so I just kinda
[00:06:40] Mallory Lee: Hell yeah, you can
[00:06:41] Alli Tunell: Yeah, exactly. And that was just like a really big eye-opening moment for me. Um, my boyfriend and I broke up after that. You know, I started like this journey of just being so driven and like wanting to just like rise to the top.
[00:06:55] And pretty early on, when I was 22, I decided I wanted to be a CMO. I was like, "This [00:07:00] is it for me. I'm gonna be a CMO. I'm gonna follow this path." I went to grad school, like got my master's in marketing and PR. Like, I was so driven towards that goal. And then I was 31 when I had Penny, and I was like still pretty driven, thought that nothing would change.
[00:07:18] And I just, I think I went into it like just so blind. Like I, I really had no idea. Like I know we all say like we had no idea, but I really think I was like on the, the way wrong end of having no idea, just like thinking it was gonna be easy. Um, and so I had Penny and, I started some new jobs right away, and my first job was great.
[00:07:39] I was with Animalz, uh, the content marketing agency. Um, it was like all mom-based. It was really supportive and fun. then the tech recession like started hitting, like my husband lost his job, like Animalz went through some challenges. And I was also managing a team of 13 at that time. And so it was just like a lot for me.
[00:07:59] I had a [00:08:00] one-year-old, the tech recession's happening, I'm managing 13 people who are unsure what the future of their job looks like, and I just like had to stop. And then since then it's been, okay, next job, next job. I've kind of been like in a rhythm of like trying to find the right piece for a long time.
[00:08:17] Um, yeah, I, I, I took a job with a company where I withheld that I was a mom through the interview
[00:08:25] Mallory Lee: Oh, I want to hear about this
[00:08:28] Alli Tunell: this was very intentional at the time. You know, like, I was like, "This is not, you know, I don't wanna be defined as a mom," you know? And then I got there, and I was the only mom, and everybody was working like 70 hours a week.
[00:08:41] I couldn't keep up. I ca- You know, I'm a hard worker. I will put in the time, and I will make it work, and I could not keep up at this company, and it ended up just, like, not working out, and that was really hard on me. I've just learned a lot in the last five years ar- around, like, for one, finding a company that is [00:09:00] flexible, of course, you know, and that understands parents.
[00:09:04] Also, finding a company that, like, you believe in what they do. I think that is, like, so important. You know? Like, I've been at companies where they've changed what they believed halfway through, and then you're like, "I don't know if I'm on the same page." Um, I've joined companies where I don't 100% believe what they're doing, and then I feel it the whole time when I'm there.
[00:09:24] yeah. So it's just been a journey.
[00:09:28] Mallory Lee: Wow. I love that though. I love just... I mean, Shannon, you kind of said this, like all the wisdom that you've accumulated over a short five years of how to approach it and what has worked and what hasn't, and, you know, kind of what you need. So good for you for like not just sitting there and being miserable and, you know, staying stuck
[00:09:53] Shannon Curran: I think, Ally, you've always been a really great, like, example to me of it's okay [00:10:00] to change your mind. And I feel like you've been very, very, like, every time that you and I have talked, you've, you've been, like, you've had a very clear plan moving forward and also been like, "Maybe this doesn't work." And I love that about you because I think that that's like, that's real life too.
[00:10:16] That is actual real life in the way that you move forward and the way that you like, that the way that you chase, like, happiness is, like, being okay with changing your mind. If the thing you wanted doesn't actually look like the thing that you thought, right? Like, and I think there's, I would love for you to share s- just some of those signs that, like, something's not working because I think that people talk a lot about feeling like not, things are not right or things are
[00:10:41] But, like, it's hard to say, like, concretely how did you know? Like, when you were in a position that, like, "Hey, I actually no longer think this is worth it." Like, was it like an accumulation over time? Was it, like, one final thing? Like, how did you know that it would be worth it to step away?
[00:10:54] Alli Tunell: Yeah. I wanna, like, add on to that a little bit too, of that, like, dynamic and, like, the [00:11:00] being okay with change. Like, for one, I love change. Like, I know that's a weird quirk about me. Like, my whole family is creatures of habit, and then there's me who's like, "Change, fun, spontaneous." Like, that's who I am. So, like, I'm always...
[00:11:13] Like, I've always accepted change. So I think that that's been really helpful. But I also think I learned a lot about this, and I know you all talk about this a lot on the podcast, and it was, like, a big unlock for me to accept my life in seasons. And yeah, like, Erin Balsa taught me that. but I have thought about my life in seasons a lot over these last five years. Like, this season for me, because my kids have a bigger age gap, I've, like, expanded the time where my kids are young a little bit, and I have to be and understand that I'm in this, like, flexible time in my life, where I might not have that VP of marketing or, like, high job that, you know, 22-year-old Alli was working towards, and that's okay because it's-- this is the season for me where I wanna [00:12:00] be in a role where I really like the people I'm working with, that I like the challenge we're solving, that they understand that I'm a mom and I have other dynamics to me.
[00:12:08] Like, that's key. So, and I would say for, like, knowing change, like, back to your question, like, when it's a time, I don't know that I've, like, always been great about, like, 100% knowing. I've sat in some situations a little longer than I should've. but I would say because of that
[00:12:26] Shannon Curran: Haven't we all?
[00:12:27] That's also true.
[00:12:29] Alli Tunell: like especially that job I was talking about a little earlier where it was like everybody was working 70 hours a week.
[00:12:34] Like, you know, there were a lot of signs there that I just kind of ignored when I... I just really, this was my, that was the job that was gonna lead me to CMO. You know, that was the job that was gonna be big and flashy and get me where I wanted to go. And so I just kept sitting through it, and I think the waiting for the inevitable made it worse.
[00:12:53] Like, and so now I've just learned to kind of like, I know the signs, [00:13:00] and I've gotten better about like how I react to the signs too, I would say. Just like, it's okay. You know? Like, like you can, you, you've been here before. You've seen what happens next. Like, just accept that. Just do this gracefully. Just leave on a good note, you know?
[00:13:17] So I've been trying to like kind of perfect in that way too. Um, but I would definitely say something that I said earlier again about like if the beliefs of the company are not close to your own and what you believe as a person, like that can be... It's really easy in marketing right now if we look at AI, and like AI beliefs and how people are using AI and what level they're using it at and what kind of tasks they're using it for.
[00:13:39] A lot of people have like really strong beliefs about like continuing to own your own voice and things like that. You know, like if that's something that's important to you, make sure you work for a company that values that. Because if you're, you're gonna just keep pushing this robotic voice that you don't believe in, and it's gonna feel bad.
[00:13:56] Mallory Lee: That's so true. I think that I've been thinking [00:14:00] about that more lately, um, because we've adopted a tool at my job that I love. It's awesome, and it can do so much. And every once in a while I think, "Okay, is this what I want to outsource to the robot?" You know? Is, is this level of thinking, um, for my team something that I want them to do less of?
[00:14:26] And, you know, just because you can doesn't mean you should, and that is the, like, headline. Um, there are certain, you know, things with, with brain power that you hire humans to think about, and you want that expertise to be built into their work product, and you can't just outsource every single thing. And keeping your own voice I think is super, super important.
[00:14:48] So it's interesting to hear you say that that is a consideration that you need to have when you're looking for an employer now.
[00:14:56] Alli Tunell: I j- yeah, like beliefs in marketing. I've, I, I
[00:14:59] want to say [00:15:00] somebody-- So one of my guests, I don't know if it was you, Shannon, though I do have like one really strong memory from our call that like has followed me from
[00:15:08] Shannon Curran: Oh God, I'm so afraid.
[00:15:09] Mallory Lee: Oh, I want to know what it is
[00:15:11] Alli Tunell: one. Um, but, uh, like, uh, talked about you really needing to understand the beliefs of the marketing team.
[00:15:19] I, I think it was Ceely Edmondson.
[00:15:21] Shannon Curran: Yes. Oh my God, I love her.
[00:15:23] Alli Tunell: yeah, she's
[00:15:24] Shannon Curran: Talk about goals.
[00:15:25] Alli Tunell: Yeah, right? Yeah. And like, like the importance of like asking questions around the marketing team's beliefs in specific o- like organizations, and getting that really clear in the interview because it'll hit you later. And at the-- When I had heard that, I don't think I had quite understood it the way I understand it now, but it's, it's been really important to me.
[00:15:45] Shannon Curran: Wait, what do you remember, Ally? Now I'm afraid I'm gonna be thinking
[00:15:48] Mallory Lee: I want to know too.
[00:15:50] Alli Tunell: Okay. Um, so you were telling me a story about a friend of yours who stepped back into a role that was more approachable for [00:16:00] her. Like she-- Do you remember this?
[00:16:02] Shannon Curran: now I'm remembering. And she's actually been on this show.
[00:16:05] went into a role that felt just like way more like not out of my comfort zone every minute of the day, right? Because she was already so out of her comfort zone in her parenting, right? Like, so like dysregulated, right, like in her parenting, that she was like, "I need to like have some regulation in my job," right?
[00:16:22] Or I think for me, I went the opposite dir- well, I kind of do this too. Like I, my business is only things I'm really good at, right? Like, I only offer services that I'm good at, obviously, right? So I also am not like being pushed into a million really, really uncomfortable directions. Um, running my own business is extremely uncomfortable, so I think that there is like a layer of that that I'm, uh, like my tolerance is okay for.
[00:16:46] But yes, she definitely took a step back of like, "Maybe I won't be a CMO." That was a big discussion she was having with herself of like, "Maybe that's not the right thing now. Um, and maybe this other thing is right." And [00:17:00] she had a very successful run in that other thing. So it's like, yeah, it is definitely something that it doesn't make her less ambitious.
[00:17:07] It doesn't make her less, you know, great at her job. It just is like it was the right choice for the right season. Totally.
[00:17:13] Mallory Lee: I've joked before about, um, maybe I'll just go back to Salesforce and, you know, pseudo-retire. You know, just be like a worker. Just, you know, do something that's pretty simple and be a cog in the wheel
[00:17:30] Shannon Curran: I'm like the worst. Ugh, I can't do it. I'm such a pain in the ass
[00:17:35] Mallory Lee: Neither can
[00:17:36] Shannon Curran: companies like that.
[00:17:37] Mallory Lee: That's why I haven't done it. But, but there have been moments where I'm like, "That would be nice. It would, it would be nice to not have this, like, literal fire inside of me about everything about work." And I posted about this not that long ago, like, I am exhausted and it's my doing. I exhaust myself [00:18:00] and probably others because I just can't not.
[00:18:04] That's, I don't know. If you know, you know. I just can't not. And, um, what you said, Shannon, made me think of a sort of like an analogy here. So, you know when babies are really little and you're trying to get them to just, like, freaking grow. It's like, I'm feeding you around the clock. Are you growing correctly or are you not?
[00:18:24] And, um, there would be some weeks where the baby would, like, put on weight, and then there would be other weeks where the baby would get longer, and it rarely happened in the same week. So, like, I was going to all these, like, nursing groups where you weighed the baby every time, and I had the scale where you weigh the baby after every feeding.
[00:18:43] You know, I'm like a nerd about the data. And there would be some weeks where they get chubbier and some weeks where they get longer. And you could see it... This is so silly. You could see it on the wrist rolls, okay? So I would pay attention.
[00:18:56] Shannon Curran: Willa still has so many risk rolls
[00:18:59] Mallory Lee: It's the [00:19:00] best. It's so the best. Like, I would pay attention w- with Grayson.
[00:19:04] I could see it. It would come and go. Like, one week he'd have it there, and then one week it'd be less, and I'm like, "Oh, he's getting longer this week." But choosing the way that you need to grow in the season that you're in is like, okay, I don't need to grow at work right now. I need to grow at home right now.
[00:19:22] And thinking back to when I was consulting and being at home with the kids, same as you, Shannon. I was doing the stuff that I could, like, do it in a heartbeat because I was the expert, and they're, calling in the expert to do something, and then I would finish it and leave, you know? And I wasn't growing in that area because I was growing as a mom.
[00:19:44] And I think that that's, um... It's special to be able to do it. it's a privilege to be able to figure out how to do that. So, uh, yeah, I hadn't really thought of it that way before, but that's awesome
[00:19:56] Alli Tunell: Yeah, that's, like that was really impactful for me [00:20:00] when you told that story, Shannon, because it made it feel okay, like to make that decision. And like you, you, uh, you were like raising your friend up and saying how like you love that she did that. And I needed to hear that at that time. and that's why I think it like stuck with me so much.
[00:20:16] because like I just-- And if anyone is listening and feels that way too, like it's okay if your, your career is not a straight line and you're just like killing it and going, have this, don't, you don't have the title that you thought you'd have or the pay you thought you had. It's okay. Like you do what you need to do for your family.
[00:20:33] You are prioritizing as best as you can, and no one can tell you how to do that better. You know that. And so it's just like, was this a level of like, oh, that's all right. You know? So I have been in the last couple years, like I've moved more into like account management at an agency 'cause I'm good at relationships.
[00:20:51] Like I'm good at working with people, understanding people, like reading the room, like anticipating needs. Like that's [00:21:00] my strong suit. So like doing more account management work lets me do work that's natural to me and works well. And then I've been at that for a little bit, and I was like telling Shannon this week, like I'm slowly starting to be like, I can pick on, like take on more.
[00:21:14] I can find the fun stuff. And I've slowly been starting to find like passion again and like growth and learning and like I can see like a future of like, you know, maybe it's not CMO, but maybe it's my own thing with my company and they're aligned. And it's been really, really fun. Yeah.
[00:21:33] Mallory Lee: You said your son's one and a half, right? Okay. My theory is that that is when the veil lifts, is one and a half. So that's not surprising to me. I think that that's really cool
[00:21:46] Alli Tunell: Yeah. It, I mean, uh, my daughter didn't sleep through the night until she was over two. It's not gonna be you, Shannon.
[00:21:55] Shannon Curran: No, it's okay. We're good. We're here. We're
[00:21:56] Alli Tunell: Okay, good.
[00:21:57] Shannon Curran: We're good. Yeah, yeah. Um, but I think [00:22:00] about you all the time when I think about, like, how hard that must have been. My brother had, uh, uh, his first... His kids are almost four years apart for this reason as well, um, because they did not sleep for years.
[00:22:12] Um, so how would you ever think you should do that again? Like, I understand. Like, I truly believe anyone that has two under two is because their first one was, like, actually sleeping at six months old.
[00:22:24] that, like, if they weren't, then, like, how would you do that? Like, Seb woke up once a night, but that's, you know, that's like sleeping.
[00:22:30] You know what I mean? Like, that's like sleeping, not what you were doing, dealing with. So I can only imagine you were probably feeling like a fog machine for, like, two and a half years.
[00:22:38] Alli Tunell: Yeah. Yeah, it was like two to three times, you know, up until two. And I wanna say, like, it didn't even like-- We say two, but like, it wasn't like a clear like, "Oh, and then she was gr--" You know, it, it was kinda murky. And with my son, so my son slept through the night at 10 months. To me, that's amazing. Oh my God, 10 months?
[00:22:56] Wow. Like, what a dream. Um, and [00:23:00] so, so,
[00:23:01] Shannon Curran: That's still a long time.
[00:23:02] Alli Tunell: yeah, but that was, for me, that was a dream. And, um, we did sleep training with him and like hired a consultant 'cause we were like, "Our marriage will not survive if we,
[00:23:13] Mallory Lee: Nice.
[00:23:14] Alli Tunell: So, like, we need to figure this out." And so,
[00:23:19] Mallory Lee: for you
[00:23:20] Alli Tunell: yeah. But I wanna just like put it out there because like, for one, I am always a mom's mom and like, yeah.
[00:23:27] So I support whatever decision you make. If you don't believe in sleep training, I hear you. I get it. It's really hard. Like, you know, like if you do and you wanna try it and you know you need to prioritize it, I support you. Like, yes, do that. That's what's best for you. So with my son though, I did sleep training.
[00:23:45] He took to it instantly. It was easy for him. My daughter would've never slept training. She-- There was no hope for her. So I just wanna like put that out there. It's a-- You don't have to do like, "Oh, it's not because we did all the perfect steps this time." We didn't. We got lucky that my son took to what we did.[00:24:00]
[00:24:00] Like, yeah. So
[00:24:03] Shannon Curran: Yeah, having multiple kids is the humbling experience of realizing your parenting means almost nothing.
[00:24:07] you look and you're like, "Oh, so you're just who you are. That's interesting." Like, like I, oof, whoops. I, tried all the same stuff with Willa that I did with Sebastian to try and give a bottle.
[00:24:19] It just didn't work.
[00:24:20] Alli Tunell: Yeah. Oh yeah
[00:24:21] Shannon Curran: Like,
[00:24:23] okay.
[00:24:23] Mallory Lee: She just is who She
[00:24:24] Shannon Curran: is She just is who she is, my girl, and she is proving daily that she will continue to be whoever she wants to be. I look and I'm like, Um, and like, I do think, especially when you have kids so close in age, you're like, oh, this must be like, like literally they have the s- you know, I feel like I have heard this idea of like every child has a different parent because you're different, right?
[00:24:47] Like, every time you have a kid. But when they're so close in age, I was like, I feel kind of the same. Like, I don't feel that different, like I don't... Yet apparently they are very different from each other, but it is funny how that happens. Um, I do feel like my, [00:25:00] I really hope, Mallory, that the fog lifts at one and a half.
[00:25:02] I feel like I'm coming into it hopefully, but it
[00:25:05] is... Yeah, I appreciate
[00:25:07] Mallory Lee: And I feel bad about it because when Cohen was really little, I told myself, "If I can just make it til he's one and a half, I will be fine." And I don't love that I, that I felt like that because there's a small part of me that was like wishing away that first year. Like, "I just got to get through this."
[00:25:25] And so even though I had tons of time with him and super fond, like newborn phase, I was just, you know, desperate to kind of get my head back above water. And that's when they can talk and communicate a little bit more, and that's why I feel like you can just almost come out of it. And I think there's a personal physical hormone thing that starts shifting around that time.
[00:25:49] You know, there's just all these different changes that are happening. but I, funny enough, I have a friend. I love her so dearly. Her name's Kara. [00:26:00] This woman, she has the sickness that you get when you're pregnant where you are like physically so ill that you like have to go to the hospital to get hydration.
[00:26:12] Yeah
[00:26:12] Shannon Curran: an H like hype, but the, yeah, yeah.
[00:26:15] Alli Tunell: Schumer one
[00:26:16] Mallory Lee: Yes,
[00:26:17] Shannon Curran: yes. Yeah, that's it. Yeah
[00:26:19] Mallory Lee: Yeah, so she has that. She had it with all four kids. And
[00:26:23] Alli Tunell: you do it four times?
[00:26:25] Mallory Lee: Yes. And also, not a single one of her kids sleeps. Not a single one. And she had her first two like a
[00:26:35] Shannon Curran: And she's still alive?
[00:26:37] Like how-
[00:26:38] Mallory Lee: Yeah. and she's like, she's like supermom. I'm not kidding. Like, I, I want to have her on the show. She is literally
[00:26:46] Shannon Curran: many questions.
[00:26:47] Mallory Lee: None of them sleep. She was sick, sick, sick with every single one of them, and they are just in, as close in age as mine, all of them. And so back to your point about like most people with two [00:27:00] under two must have had an easy baby, she's the only person I know, she's the only person I know where that ha- like was definitely not the case.
[00:27:07] But, um, she's
[00:27:10] Shannon Curran: And she really wanted... I guess we can leave it til, to her episode, but I have so many questions about how she
[00:27:14] even had more than one child. I have so many questions.
[00:27:19] Mallory Lee: like, she's the best mom and she just wanted a big family and yeah, we'll, we'll hear it from her later
[00:27:27] Shannon Curran: Ali, you were saying that zero to one really rocked you. How did you feel one to two? Like how, how was the
[00:27:33] Mallory Lee: good question
[00:27:34] Alli Tunell: It was easy for me. I, I literally have no idea. Did, did you both do two under two then?
[00:27:40] Shannon Curran: Yeah
[00:27:41] Alli Tunell: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, I do think maybe I could do it this time, but I still know it would be very, very hard, and I still have a lot of, like, respect for you all. Like, for everyone who does two under two because it-- I think it would, you know, it has to be challenging.
[00:27:56] Um, but yeah, two to th- uh, one to two was [00:28:00] so easy. And my son is, like, the recruiter baby, you know? But my husband, he cut me off. He went to the vet, so no more kids. good thing, because, like, this recruiter, I'm like, "We could do this." Like, if the next one's like this... Yeah. I
[00:28:19] Shannon Curran: I know. You roll the dice every time. You start from scratch every time, so you never know. Um, it's interesting you say this because I actually think that's... So I'm gonna admit to something that makes me feel guilty that I feel like is something that is not common and it's something that I, like, saw.
[00:28:33] I also deleted TikTok again. This is the reason, 'cause I saw a TikTok this week that made me feel really bad. So I feel like that's a very common story your second postpartum is, like, your redemption postpartum. you are so much less stressed. feeling really confident. You can enjoy the baby phase. I had the complete opposite experience. and I felt lied to. everyone said this would be easier, and [00:29:00] I think a lot of the fallacy of 202 is also you get pregnant before your kid gets hard. I found out I was pregnant on Sebastian's first birthday. Kids are not hard before one.
[00:29:08] Alli Tunell: Yeah
[00:29:09] Shannon Curran: like, if I had known what a 15-month-old was, I think they would be five years apart. Like, I, I don't think I could have any, any interest in that, right? And so I felt really good. I think we've talked about this before, too. I, like, had, I was diagnosed with prenatal depression, so I was on medication and had a really, and it had a lot of time to sink in, so I had a really positive newborn experience.
[00:29:31] And I didn't sleep, but I still loved it. Like, I took three months off work. I, like, had, it was like all we did was cuddle all day, and, like, we went and saw our friends and, like, we cuddled all night and it was fine and it was wonderful, right? And he, I don't think he was an easy baby, but he had a very nice disposition.
[00:29:47] Uh, both my kids did. Like, very generally pleasant. No colic, which that sounds like, I actually don't think I'd survive that. but they didn't sleep well, you know what I mean? Like, they weren't like, I had friends that were like, "Oh, sleeping through the night at eight weeks," and I was like, yeah, my kids finally slept through the [00:30:00] night at a year, right?
[00:30:00] Like, they finally made it at around a year. So and after, I actually felt like I, I don't have one memory, unless it's in the middle of the night, of being relaxed with my second. Um, because I either felt like I needed to be doing things, 'cause there had s- there was so much to get done, or trying to spend time with my toddler, who I felt so guilty about not being able to be ar- like, be fully with.
[00:30:27] Um, it was awful. Like, I, and I am saying this because I've never heard anyone else have this experience, and I just, like, want to say if anyone else does feel that way, like, it's okay if you don't have, like, the most beautiful... Like, I saw this TikTok of a woman saying, "If anyone's afraid to have a second kid, don't be afraid because it's amazing.
[00:30:48] The baby's perfect the second time around. You get to relax. You get to have all this," and I'm like, what world
[00:30:54] do
[00:30:54] you live in that that is, like, your heart doesn't feel shattered in a million pieces because, [00:31:00] and both you and your spouse now are 100% on all the time, so you don't see them ever. And it's, it's so, bedtime How?
[00:31:10] We j- we still haven't figured bedtime out with one parent. Like, how do you do both of them at the same time? They're both babies. Like, they both need so much, right? And so I think that there's, I just didn't have that same experience, but I also didn't feel super rocked by zero to one.
[00:31:25] Alli Tunell: Yeah.
[00:31:26] Shannon Curran: So I had a very different experience that way
[00:31:29] Alli Tunell: Yeah. I think I, I feel the same way about like when I see the TikToks about motherhood in general and like all the-- They, they do that a lot about two to three too. Like, "Oh, just have the third baby." You know? It's...
[00:31:44] Shannon Curran: Wait, ask Mallory, do you have the third page?
[00:31:48] Mallory Lee: Oh my
[00:31:48] Shannon Curran: We love Cohen. We love Cohen, but...
[00:31:51] Mallory Lee: He's, he's the best. But there's this like, there's this cliche that the third one is the easiest and the most [00:32:00] easygoing and like just the tag along and will like, who cares? You know, like be along for the ride. Not Colin, no. He was my hardest in every area. So definitely not the case for us. But
[00:32:13] Shannon Curran: He was making sure you didn't have a fourth baby. He was making sure
[00:32:16] Mallory Lee: Basically, yeah, basically.
[00:32:18] Um, zero to one I found fun, amazing, easy. And then one to two I was like, "Oh, sh*t." And then two to three I was, like, murdered. Like, it was just so hard. So, so hard. But the funny thing is that in my brain, I think I could have a fourth and it would be, like, no different. Like, if you have three, you might as well have 10, is the
[00:32:45] Alli Tunell: Yeah, they always say that, right? Yeah.
[00:32:47] Yeah
[00:32:48] Shannon Curran: I I can see how three feels like 10. Like, I don't... Like, I remember calling my brother. So I have a younger brother who has t- who had both his kids before I even had one. And who would've ever thought I'd be calling my [00:33:00] brother for, like, parenting, my little brother, for parenting advice?
[00:33:02] Mallory Lee: Oh, how the tables have turned.
[00:33:04] Shannon Curran: oh, how the tables have turned.
[00:33:06] Jeff Sweeney, thank you for being around. Um, and so I remember him saying, "One kid is an accessory. Two kids is a lifestyle change. And two kids is 10 kids." I have, like, a vivid memory of hearing him say that. And I, then I called him right after Willow was born, probably, like, she was, like, six weeks or so.
[00:33:26] So I was really in the depths of, like, "So we're never going back to what we had before, huh?" Like, we were living the dream. Like, we were living the dream. and she also was, like, so attached. Like, obviously. She, like, I, I was responsible for every single time she ate and every time she woke up. Like, there was no, like, I, so there was no, like, I could get to play with the toddler and Pete can have the baby.
[00:33:48] it just wasn't the case. And my brother goes, "Yeah, for some reason it's, like, highly exponential." He's like, "I don't know why, but literally one to two..." He had a very similar experience, and his kids were, like, three years apart. [00:34:00] So he's like, "I don't..." He's like, "It does get..." He's like, "You hit a point when they can entertain each other that it becomes so much easier."
[00:34:08] he, like, texted me the other day asking for, we used to share a Netflix back in the day when that was allowed, and he was like, "Can you look through Netflix and see all the shows I started and never finished?" And I was like, " Sure." So I went through and, like, named a few, and he was like, "I think I'm getting my life back.
[00:34:24] Like, I think I..." And his kids are three and six. I was like, "Great."
[00:34:30] I
[00:34:30] Alli Tunell: Aw
[00:34:32] Shannon Curran: was like... Oh, that's so funny. I know. Thanks, Jazz. He's
[00:34:36] Alli Tunell: I think it's like also, you know, w- I love all the transparent mom conversations. Like, this is like what I live for. but I think it's also, it's so dependent. Like my, my current like thing that I keep saying to people is like, we can never judge how people prioritize. I went to a barbecue recently and I heard another mom talking about how one of her friends wasn't prioritizing well.
[00:34:59] And I didn't say [00:35:00] anything, but like when I left I was like, we, we should never talk about that topic. Like we should never discuss that because exactly what we're saying here, you know? It's saying like we don't know that Willa didn't take a bottle or, you know, like you don't know that, you know, I, I also, I had prenatal and postp- postpartum depression.
[00:35:20] I had postpartum with Penny and prenatal with Silas. So I've had both, you know? Um, we don't know what the partner's like and how supportive they are and what they're saying to them. You know, like we never know what's going on behind the scenes. So it's like, it's just to like take that information, like just because you're having a situation right now where it's easy for you to balance everything doesn't mean everyone else is, and we can't just assume that it's because they're not doing their best.
[00:35:45] That everyone's trying their best, you know? It's like,
[00:35:48] Mallory Lee: yeah.
[00:35:49] Yeah.
[00:35:50] And with social
[00:35:52] Shannon Curran: on, like, naps. I feel like naps are a big
[00:35:54] Alli Tunell: Oh,
[00:35:54] Mallory Lee: Oh, yes
[00:35:56] Alli Tunell: Yeah
[00:35:58] Mallory Lee: Ja
[00:35:58] Shannon Curran: we can't do anything 'cause their kid [00:36:00] has to nap." And it's like, well, maybe if their kid doesn't nap, they don't sleep at night.
[00:36:04] Alli Tunell: Yeah, exactly.
[00:36:06] Shannon Curran: I trained my kids to nap on the go, but not everyone wants to do that.
[00:36:09] And that's okay, you know? Sorry, go Mallory. You were saying social media does make this 1,000 times worse, if that's what you were gonna say. It's, it's so
[00:36:16] Mallory Lee: Yeah, I just think with social media you only see the, the best parts usually. And that makes it worse because you think, "Oh, how does she do it?" You know? Like, "How does she get her kids to always nap in the car?" Whatever. And you don't know the things that people are going through that are hard. Same thing at work.
[00:36:38] You know, we are moms who go to work, and we don't hide that we are moms, right? But you don't show up every morning at work and say, "Oh, I got four hours of sleep, and I got spit up on this morning, and I had to do the drop-off, and I had to go get gas on the way to the drop-off, which was a nightmare." Like, you don't explain all of [00:37:00] that to people, because you would never even get work done if you did, right?
[00:37:05] And they don't know what you've, like, been through in a day, and they don't have to know. But you do have to keep that in mind when you're talking to other people. It's like I can only imagine as a new mom what you went through last night, and I'm gonna give you some extra love today or some extra grace today, or, like, whatever it is, you just have to remember that everyone has this life.
[00:37:31] And even if they're not a parent, right? Everyone has something going on after work or before work that is, like, influencing their day or, like, showing up in some way of, you know, who they are. And so I love that, Ally. I think, like, not judging, sometimes it's hard, but that's really important because you just have no idea
[00:37:53] Alli Tunell: Yeah, definitely. And then like what you were saying, I 100% agree, like with work and under, you know, everybody's doing [00:38:00] both and trying to make it work. No matter, it could also be parents, you know, like taking care of aging parents or a friend or something else that's going on, a relationship that's struggling.
[00:38:07] when I first started working and being a mom, was like always like, "Hey guys, like I have a doctor's appointment today for Silas or Penny, but I promise I'm gonna come back later and get this done. Just like want you to know." Now I do not do that. I don't even-- I never share any of that information because you know what?
[00:38:28] I have ch- proven to myself time and time again, I'm gonna get it done. You know? Like I'm not one of those moms that's like really... Which could be a bad thing, but like I'm not one of those moms that's like, "My hours are clear. This is it." Like I will work from like 7:00 to 4:00, um, but I'll do drop off or pick up or what have you, and I'll, you know, do something in the middle of the day to catch up on errands or chores or what have you, and then I'll come back at night and get it done.
[00:38:56] Like I'm always gonna get it done. I believe in myself and I know I'm gonna do that, [00:39:00] and I don't need to apologize for it.
[00:39:01] Shannon Curran: It is a fine line because I, I remember I, it was actually when I first started with a newer client. I had probably been with them for like two months, and they like loved me. It was great. They were like, "Oh, she solved all our problems." I was like, "Fabulous. Thank you." Um, and I remember one of my kids was out sick.
[00:39:18] Oh, it was when I still didn't have childcare for Willa, so I was doing some crazy stuff. Like, I was like working with her sometimes, then sometimes I'd look down, she's like in the water bowl. I'm like, "Okay, I guess I'll let that go." And then like I was do- so I was already feeling like I was coming off kind of chaotic, and then both my kids got sick, so I felt like I had to have
[00:39:39] And then the little bit of childcare I did have was, um, someone that also had kids, and then her kids got sick. So it was like three weeks of like not really having, not being able to fully focus on work. And at, the first thing I think I told the client, I was like, "Hey, I have a child home," or whatever. The second time I was like, "I feel like I can't tell them again."
[00:39:59] [00:40:00] It was weird. It was this like moment in my head of like, I feel like I can't have two things happen in two weeks. That's like the line of like it's not, it's no longer acceptable. and then at one point, uh, the guy I report into was like, "You, you're kind of lacking a little bit of your normal pizzazz.
[00:40:16] Are you okay?" And I was like, yeah, just been kind of a long week." He's like, "If something's going on," he's like, he has young kids too, he's like, "If you're not sleeping, like I know how bad that is. Like, don't feel like you have to like push through it. Like we'll do, we can just talk later." And I was like, "Okay, so do I tell you?"
[00:40:34] Like, it's just this like weird like in bet- I don't know. It's hard to know. It's hard to know. Um, Mallory, how do you handle that like full-time? Do you ever ... I feel like sometimes you're like, "Hey, I'm taking the half day to go spend time with my kids," or like, like what are you, like how honest are you?
[00:40:51] Mallory Lee: Um, I just put it on my calendar, so it's definitely not hidden. And it'll say, like, "Kids doctor appointment." So [00:41:00] if people are looking for me and they look at my calendar, they can see what's going on, but I don't go announce it. I don't say, like, "Be right back, guys, doing this." And I used to, Ally. I used to also do that.
[00:41:16] And it was actually Brian, my husband, who was like, "Don't do that." He's like, "Guys don't do that. They don't know why I'm working from home. Like,
[00:41:26] Shannon Curran: We love
[00:41:26] Mallory Lee: men don't do that." He's such an ally, and I'm like, "You know what? You're right." Like, I am, like, saying too much to make it a focal point that doesn't need to be focused on,
[00:41:39] you know, not talking about work because I'm just talking about my errands and my life and my, you know, chores of being a mother. So I've scaled it back as well. I don't say, like, "Hey, boss, BRB, gonna go pick up the groceries, and I promise I'll be back," you know?
[00:41:56] I do what I need to do. I block my calendar accordingly [00:42:00] and move things around if I have to. But, like, same as you, Ally, I'm just always so confident that nothing will drop, and that's what allows me to not feel bad about that. It's like, you know, do what you need to do, get your sh*t done, do a good job, everybody's happy
[00:42:18] Alli Tunell: And I don't think there should be a guilt around being a parent and if you need to, like, work when your kids go to bed or anything like that. Like, if you, if you gotta do it, you gotta do it. It's a, you know-- I do it kinda often sometimes. But I am pretty good about, like, 4:00, I picked my kids up, my computer's away until they go to bed, then I pick it up if I need to.
[00:42:40] So, or like weekends when I'm with them, you know, I'm with them. Again, nap time? Sure. So like, like I, I think, like, there's a lot of, like, pressures on working moms to show, like, that you're clear on your boundaries and you're like, when you get your time with your kid, you're making the most of it. [00:43:00] And yes, 100%, like, I am here for that.
[00:43:03] But I, I also think it's not as black and white as we've been trying to make it seem, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
[00:43:09] Shannon Curran: Yeah, it's something I'm trying to work on being a lot better because I, I think I've said this on the show before, but I go back and forth so much about the fact that I'm very physically present for my kids. Like, we pick them up at, like, 3:30, and I'm with them til they go to bed, but I am sometimes working on my phone.
[00:43:25] And I'm like, "Is that okay? Is it not?" I don't know. I'm constantly at, at little bit at odds with, like... I'm trying to be better 'cause Will has gotten obsessed with my phone. And so I'm like, "Duh, that is such a bad..." Like, I was like, "Oh, God, I hate that so much." And so, um, I've tried to be better, um, about, like, trying to really at some point turn completely off.
[00:43:47] But a lot of the value of what I do is that I can do it in the in-betweens, right? And so I don't have that figured out.
[00:43:52] Alli Tunell: it's a hard, messy middle. Mallory, do your kids, like, do they notice when you're on your phone and, like, say stuff about it or if you're [00:44:00] working? Yeah.
[00:44:00] yeah.
[00:44:02] Mallory Lee: And I'm not good about it either. I'm, I'm a horrible example. Like, after I log off work, I go out to the kitchen and make dinner, but my laptop comes with me, and it's on the kitchen counter. So I'm, like, making dinner, but I'm working at the same time usually. And then if I bring my phone to the dinner table, I will inevitably look at it, and they're like, "Mommy, get off your phone."
[00:44:25] And Cohen is the one who's the most bold about it. He
[00:44:29] Shannon Curran: him to police you. That's why you had him
[00:44:32] Mallory Lee: I guess. I mean, bless his heart. He yells at me. He's like, " Why are you always on your phone?" And it, it really hits me every once in a while. I'm like, "Shoot, I really am." Like, I have to stop doing that. but what I have also found is that if I work a little through dinnertime, then on the West Coast, that's, like, still people's active hours.
[00:44:57] And then if I get to, [00:45:00] like, 8:00, I can shut it down for the night because that way I've, like, felt like I've balanced it all out. I don't know. I don't know.I have learned that I don't love the super late night working,
[00:45:16] Alli Tunell: Mm-hmm.
[00:45:16] Mallory Lee: and I used
[00:45:17] Alli Tunell: after
[00:45:18] Mallory Lee: Yeah, and I'm just not as good at it anymore, so I don't know. I
[00:45:22] Shannon Curran: You wake up early now. Like,
[00:45:24] Mallory Lee: I try to.
[00:45:26] Shannon Curran: Yeah, you're
[00:45:27] Mallory Lee: I try to, but I don't know. It's, it's not perfect. I'm not good at it. I always looking at something.
[00:45:34] Alli Tunell: That's okay. You know? We're all doing our best. Like, uh, the one thing that we've done is, 'cause Penny started noticing it, and so if she calls me out, sometimes I'll just be like, "Penny," like I'll literally be like, "Do you want me to pay for your toys? Because let's not do it." Trying to teach her the value.
[00:45:52] Yeah. I'm like trying to teach her the value of hard work even though I'm not like doing manual labor. I'm like, "This is work on this computer or on this phone right now." You know? [00:46:00] Like trying to find that balance too. Um, but also, um, sometimes I will say, "You know what, Penny?" And then Alex will jump in on it with me.
[00:46:07] W- we'll be like, "Let's brick." So we have the brick, and we'll just like...
[00:46:11] Mallory Lee: Oh
[00:46:12] Alli Tunell: Yeah. And that's been helpful. And she'll like sometimes be like, "Mom, do you wanna-- Is it a brick time?" And I'm like, "Let's brick." You know, like she's in
[00:46:18] on it too. So it's kind of fun, you know?
[00:46:21] Shannon Curran: Yeah, I need one of those.
[00:46:24] Mallory Lee: This is a
[00:46:25] Shannon Curran: us.
[00:46:26] Mallory Lee: Yeah, seriously, this is a really good segue. This is a good segue to our save, save of the week. Yes. Okay. So Ally, um, we talk about like things that we love that help and all of that. So I'm not saying that your brick is your save of the week, but I do want your review of it. Is it worth it?
[00:46:43] Alli Tunell: Yes. I would say that Brick is my save of the week. Let's, let's keep
[00:46:46] it as that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, because just because like it allows, like when your kids get a little older and they understand it, like they can-- they see that you're like, "Hey, I'm not gonna just like... I do need to do this. Right now is not the [00:47:00] time, but here I can do it, and you're in on it, and you're seeing that I'm, I'm being mindful about being really intentional with you."
[00:47:08] So I like the balance of it. Um, but I also-- I saw a girl from Slack post, or a woman from Slack post that, um, she uses it on vacations and blocks Slack and Gmail and things like that so she can like be fully present on vacation. I have not figured that one out yet. So I would like, like maybe I'll try it for like a, a shorter vacation and see.
[00:47:30] And then Brick does-- I did learn this, because you do have to like physically walk up to the brick to unbrick it. You get like five emergency bricks when you're not around it. So if something was to happen on vacation that you really wanted to answer it, you certainly could. so yeah, I would say it's a good save of the week.
[00:47:47] And, and getting-- I think making it a team sport is the best way to use it, just like everybody commits to it and is excited about it.
[00:47:55] Shannon Curran: That's
[00:47:56] Mallory Lee: I love that advice. You shouldn't have told me that there's like an [00:48:00] emergency escape ba- button or whatever.
[00:48:02] Alli Tunell: There's only five. Only five. No, you don't wanna do it because the scarcity of it. They, they did good with the psychology around Brick. Like the active, you have to walk up to it and do it and undo it. Like The elements are all there. It's not like when your screen time alert comes on and says, "Oh, you hit it.
[00:48:18] Sorry." And you're like, "Great. Cool. Thanks. Bye." Yeah.
[00:48:23] Shannon Curran: Ignore. Ignore for today. Not even for 20 minutes, for today.
[00:48:26] Alli Tunell: Yeah. It's not like that. That doesn't work.
[00:48:30] Mallory Lee: Okay. Okay. I love it. What's your save, Shannon?
[00:48:34] Shannon Curran: so I started back teaching dance again, which I feel like has made a really big difference for me. It's been awesome. I started teaching probably like six weeks ago, seven, um, and I'm teaching just like open adult class, um, and I haven't taught in about five years, so since I moved to the suburbs.
[00:48:50] and it was definitely a part of my identity I was like really missing, but I feel like after the five-year mark, you think it's like your past. Like you, you don't fight to get it back. And it kind of like fell into [00:49:00] my lap a little, um, in a very like kismet way, meeting these folks that were opening a studio in the town next to me.
[00:49:06] So every Tuesday night I've been in a room with other folks that were like competitive or professional dancers in their previous life or some ki- like, some, like teenagers have been coming. It's been like really
[00:49:17] Mallory Lee: Oh, fun
[00:49:18] Shannon Curran: we had like our biggest group this last week, and it's been a definitely a really nice...
[00:49:24] And it's from 7:00 to 8:15. I do miss bedtime once a week, which is a little bit hard. shout out to my husband for being a soldier through that. but yeah, it's been a major save I think for, for my weeks the last few.
[00:49:36] Mallory Lee: I love that. Just a different head space and you're like a totally different person during that hour
[00:49:43] Shannon Curran: Totally. All right, Mal. What's yours?
[00:49:46] Mallory Lee: cool. I'm gonna do a product today, and I'm gonna talk about my AG1.
[00:49:52] Shannon Curran: Oh my God, you love that.
[00:49:54] Mallory Lee: I do, I do. I love my AG1. It's like one of the greens drinks that [00:50:00] you, you know, put the greens into water and shake it up and drink it.
[00:50:04] Um, but both Brian and I have been like daily AG1 people for seriously like two years now. And I can really feel the difference that it makes in like my energy and like my sustained energy through the day. And like I do not get tired in the afternoon. I don't feel like I need that like afternoon coffee or like the afternoon get up and walk around 'cause you're sleepy.
[00:50:31] and almost every like woman that I know, they're like, "Oh, I'm so tired, I'm so tired." And like, I literally never feel tired. So I credit that to the AG1. Also, I drink a lot of coffee, but on the days where I don't have the AG1, I can really feel the difference, and that's why I love it because if I take it away, like I've had a couple surgeries and they won't let you take it a couple weeks leading up to your surgery, and those weeks were really bad.
[00:50:56] Like it was really bad and hard to not have it. [00:51:00] So I've proven to myself that it's like a key step in my process of life.
[00:51:07] Shannon Curran: Love that.
[00:51:07] Alli Tunell: Alright, I'm gonna try
[00:51:08] Shannon Curran: Sponsor us, AG1. Sponsor us.
[00:51:10] Mallory Lee: Should.
[00:51:11] You should. It's in Costco. I know, right? It's, it's in Costco now, which makes it way easier for people to just try. And, um, I highly recommend.
[00:51:22] Shannon Curran: Love.
[00:51:23] Mallory Lee: Yeah
[00:51:23] Shannon Curran: Well, Ally, thank you so much for being here. It's been so fun. Um, what a dream. Look at how far we've come, you know,
[00:51:30] Alli Tunell: I know. Th- thanks so much for having me. I love what you all are doing. Like, I am constantly following all of the clips and listening to the episodes. Long time listener, first time caller. Excited to be
[00:51:41] Shannon Curran: Love it.
[00:51:44] Mallory Lee: So good to meet you. Have a good rest of your day. Okay.
[00:51:48] Bye, Bye
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[00:52:02] Shannon Curran: We're going up to the mountains tomorrow, so
[00:52:05] Nice
[00:52:06] Alli Tunell: yeah. Get to, uh, bring the whole kit and caboodle. I've got two big dogs too, so they come and yeah, we have to do
[00:52:15] Shannon Curran: do you... Do you put them in like the trunk? Do
[00:52:17] Alli Tunell: No, I have a car top terri- carrier. I also have a Kia Telluride.
[00:52:21] You know, like we fit
[00:52:22] Mallory Lee: Wait, the dogs are in the top?
[00:52:24] Alli Tunell: No, no, no. They're, like, our bag? That would be terrible. Oh my God, poor dogs.
[00:52:29] Mallory Lee: on, I'm so confused."
[00:52:31] Shannon Curran: They have like a convertible, their own convertible on the top, like a pict-
[00:52:34] Alli Tunell: They're just like sticking their head out.
[00:52:38] Mallory Lee: Sorry, sorry. I knew that that couldn't be the case, but I was like, "Hold on