The Truth About Capitalism vs. Socialism (No One Wants to Hear)

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In this episode, Steve and I go all-in on the real differences between capitalism and socialism—and why most people are deeply confused about both. We break down how wealth creation is inherently philanthropic, why self-interest drives real progress, and how capitalism is actually rooted in solving problems and creating value. We also talk about the emotional backlash creators face for getting rich and what it truly means to be a "capitalist pig" in today’s world.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Getting rich in and of itself is philanthropic.

[SPEAKER_04]: Without any charity work, without donating anything, just the act of you getting rich is an act of philanthropy because it is a reflection of the value created, the people you've employed, actual real-world value that you've had to pump into the marketplace capitalism means stealing.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, literally socialism means that.

[SPEAKER_00]: and the people who don't respect or understand that getting wealthy is about value creation will always criticize those who do.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a really good line.

[SPEAKER_00]: Steve, tell us about your sweater.

[SPEAKER_04]: It says Merry Christmas, you filthy socialist.

[SPEAKER_04]: Steve actually comes with its a sneer.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's a snake when you put it on, it installs a snake in your face.

[SPEAKER_04]: And a little bit of a squint eye.

[SPEAKER_00]: Does it come with a ba humbug or a chitching?

[SPEAKER_04]: Comes with a ba hog and chitching.

[SPEAKER_04]: It depends who's asking.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it depends on the reaction to the shirt.

[SPEAKER_00]: I understand, I understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Steve, where can people get this sweater?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my land to buy the beard of Zeus.

[SPEAKER_04]: We thepigs.com.

[SPEAKER_00]: Steve.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like we the people.

[SPEAKER_00]: Please explain more.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, yeah, really, we made this sweater, we even chip in these out, which is pretty hilarious.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's funny that we live in a time where you have to remind people that it's okay to be a capitalist.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, we win as aggressive as you possibly can while still making friends and family not split apart at the Christmas dinner table.

[SPEAKER_04]: Merry Christmas, you filthy socialist.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even to you guys, anyway, so we made this sweater.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, we made it though.

[SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, I have actually been really fascinated by how much when I wear swag, even in airports or in malls or wherever, like I go to a mall much, but you know, in public, how much this, your, your body is really the most important piece of real estate you have, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's funny how we use it for messages.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right, we're always sharing a message about ourselves.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's been a really huge conversation starter with people that are random.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's been interesting to see how people raise their hand and say, ooh, that's me or who I hate you.

[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, there's a dude in a YMCA.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was just in the sauna.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's a while ago, but I was wearing, I wasn't even one of my extreme message shirts.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I did like a run or something there I can't remember.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what's swimming.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds familiar.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I went and I walked through the men's locker room and there was a dude there.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was like saw me and he was bow-humping, bow-humping, and sneering at the same time.

[SPEAKER_04]: There was a full-out sneer and he sneered and I didn't quite catch it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I went and sat down in the sauna and was listening to a book

[SPEAKER_04]: and this guy comes like bolting in behind me and he goes, hey, I do it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, good.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that shirt, I was like, I know, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: I thought he liked it.

[SPEAKER_04]: He did not.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, you know, I'm here and we just, we got to change some things.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm right with him, man.

[SPEAKER_04]: We got some stuff to change.

[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't let him pitch in home.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's another old dude sitting next to me.

[SPEAKER_04]: Cloth, thankfully.

[SPEAKER_04]: PSA, not okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he's sitting next to me over there, and he could tell faster than I could on the fact that this guy was trying to like, peg me down, but I was just, I was just, yeah, no, I totally agree it.

[SPEAKER_04]: We gotta change some laws here.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's keep this, this is awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's keep values there.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, yeah, we gotta change for everybody though.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, no, no, no.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he stormed out and the dude next to me looked at me and he's like, that guy didn't like you.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, yeah, actually, he only picked up on that at the end.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, and all that said was freedom fighter.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?

[SPEAKER_04]: How do you fight a shirt that says I don't want more freedom?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, blew me away, blew me away.

[SPEAKER_04]: But that's what's been really fascinating is like we live in a world where we're posting stuff on our thoughts or on these, you know, electronic walls.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like how interesting the treat your own stuff like this very simple messaging that is very also pointed and aggressive.

[SPEAKER_04]: You find it really, really fast where people stand and I'm not trying to trigger anybody by wearing stuff like this.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm also knowing I'm going to apologize for what I think and believe.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'll funny that it's like, do that now.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think the Facebook like button has been the culprit of so much of that.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and it's so easy to hide behind a screen.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: But then when you do come face to face with someone, you actually have the opportunity to disagree and communicate about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also okay to disagree.

[SPEAKER_00]: There was a guy picking me up here from the office one time, an Uber driver.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I texted the Uber driver, like when he was on his way saying, hey, we're sweet, whatever, above the office as pursuit of profit.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he responded saying, that sounds unethical, but okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Pursuit of profit.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, and when we got into, when I got into the Uber, he commented on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, Sir, are you driving Uber for free?

[SPEAKER_00]: Do I have to pay for my?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the US right today.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was known.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, so what are you doing?

[SPEAKER_04]: You mean it's for profit?

[SPEAKER_00]: You mean that you are driving Uber for a profit?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I think what the conversation is about is talking about what really is the mission of we the pigs and you have so eloquently and maybe I would love for you to speak to this of like what is the download you got of what does it mean to redefine capitalism and

[SPEAKER_00]: One of the shirts that is one of the best selling shirts and hats that we have is get rich give back.

[SPEAKER_00]: That it's not just get rich for greed and gains.

[SPEAKER_00]: There is a reason to this that money is an amplifier.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we want to attract a culture of good people who are going to do good with money.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can you speak to the mission?

[SPEAKER_04]: One of my favorite examples of this was a mutual friend, maybe I won't say his name, but he was standing on stage and he had two people come up.

[SPEAKER_04]: He said, two volunteers and he's holding a dollar in a water bottle.

[SPEAKER_04]: He just asked for a dollar from someone from the audience in a water bottle from somebody and then had two random people come up.

[SPEAKER_04]: And, um, or actually just one other person.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, and he goes, hey, I have this dollar.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm really thirsty.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, could I have that water bottle full of water?

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, I'd like it for, you know, fifty cents.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the guy, the guy didn't really know what he's doing at first, but then he started playing along.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, well, actually, I actually don't value it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's worth more to me than fifty cents.

[SPEAKER_04]: to just have the security of water in the future.

[SPEAKER_04]: And what he started doing back and forth is he started, so they ended up trading, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I'm going to trade this dollar.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's act like it's not.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just going to trade this dollar for this water bottle.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then we swapped.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, the guy that now has the dollar

[SPEAKER_04]: And the guy don't have the water bottle, this is a new item to them.

[SPEAKER_04]: They actually value, this is a super key piece about capitalism.

[SPEAKER_04]: He said, the person that has the water bottle values the water bottle more than a dollar.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: And people might like duh, but like really listen to them about the say on this, which is that if we were now to combine the two values of those items, they actually went up.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, separately, without trade, without free commerce and without free trade, things are just a dollar and things are just a water bottle.

[SPEAKER_04]: But when we say, this is worth more than a dollar, and this is worth more than the water bottle, and we swap, and now we compare them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Both items actually raised in value, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is true, even if there was no money involved at all, and if I was to take, you know, I'm just some random thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: that little sparkling water I have over there and that little items over there and we swap.

[SPEAKER_04]: Each of us is valuing it differently and more than our current item and just by just the act of trade is actually wealth creation.

[SPEAKER_04]: Money not even included.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's a really fascinating thing to notice.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so part of why I get really, really spicy about capitalism is because I feel like what we're so bathed in today is this narrative that money is evil.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's not.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I believe that my mission is to keep creators creating.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like we stay out of socialism just like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: When we become socialist, we are now asked, we become victim mentality.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we say, please, my, our hand goes out rather than to work.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right, and my hand is saying it's it's open instead of working my hand is saying please feed me I can I'm no longer I'm a victim of my circumstance my circumstance is defining my future but when we say to ourselves I'm going to just be a creator of solutions to actual problems which is all capitalism is

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a beautiful thing and I've noticed that that individual gets a stronger connection with divinity.

[SPEAKER_04]: They get a stronger connection of themselves.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just watched a video of a guy recently who said he was thanking another person and he goes, because of what you created, I actually found out who I am.

[SPEAKER_04]: You created an environment where I got to figure out who I am.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can't remember who was.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's interesting context and you're like, wow, the pursuit of profit.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's why it's the pursuit of profit.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not saying profit.

[SPEAKER_04]: The pursuit of it is one of the most valuable journeys that I value and treasure in my life.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's fun to watch other people go through that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So if we get to keep people making things, we win.

[SPEAKER_00]: That it's not always the attainment.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's who you become on the way that

[SPEAKER_00]: That is priceless.

[SPEAKER_00]: These people that are growing in their spirituality and their personal development and then passing that down generations.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the kind of generation that I want to build that takes after us that is here to inhabit the earth after we're long gone, that they continue to keep creating on this earth instead of hoping for handouts and then being controlled by some power that be instead of the connection with

[SPEAKER_00]: a spiritual co-creator, whatever they believe in, to create that value and give back.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is so true.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you're really like the next generation, I feel like the point is to help foster a mindset of creative problem solving, where it's like we no longer look at our constraints and limitations as roadblocks.

[SPEAKER_04]: but rather as the map and we look at them and we say this is where I need to go but I got this mountain in my way and instead of going oh my gosh I gotta go I can't go anymore because there's a roadblock I got this huge thing it's actually like well how could I get around this mountain or how could I move the mountain or how could I get a you know

[SPEAKER_04]: How got to get the attainment thing without going through the mountain?

[SPEAKER_04]: And you start invoking a lot of, I believe, spiritual gifts that say, well, you know what?

[SPEAKER_04]: What if you did this or what if you did this?

[SPEAKER_04]: What if you did this?

[SPEAKER_04]: And you become a brain that's full of possibilities and hope.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like capitalism fosters hope.

[SPEAKER_04]: Socialism literally fosters handouts and a dead brain that cannot think for itself.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is literally the sheep brain.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I get really, really spicy about this for that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So people will misunderstand though what I'm saying and they go, what are you saying?

[SPEAKER_04]: You're against socialism because you don't want to help people.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like that's not the, what, what are charities already asking for more of all the time?

[SPEAKER_04]: Money.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like you have to be for profit.

[SPEAKER_04]: You have to be a hundred percent.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like I would much rather have people get build a for profit organization than a non profit because people through this badge of on it's non profit.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like money just collapses time.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're just going to slow yourself down by not being for profit.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I understand this different, you know, blah, blah, blah.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the point is like.

[SPEAKER_04]: When we create something, and we're doing it with the intention of solving a problem, or just creating for the sake of the creation itself, we're actually already a capitalistic brain.

[SPEAKER_04]: So there's all these artists that will sit back and say, that I've talked with, and they'll be like, I just create my art for the sake of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're already a capitalist and don't know it and you're misunderstanding what capitalism is.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just an exchange of value.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you could go literally choose to take water from the, you know, with a bucket from the river each day, or you could go to the person who's like, you know what, I thought I could figure out a way to pipe that crap to a house.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, find a new kid that is thirsty.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who's gonna do, like, come on, like, oh, yeah, and so, and it's fine, you'll see these straight up socialist, just, I don't know what my phone is, but straight up,

[SPEAKER_04]: get pissed slam and you on social media and you're like you're a moron the dude that created this was a capitalist you're holding a capitalist thing you're holding it like you are such a member of capitalism every single one of you you're watching this right now and you're wondering if you're a capitalist like you're literally feasting off of the benefits of a capitalist society and have a device and the internet access yeah and it's like where people there's like this I think of it like a car and I was actually explaining this I think it's hard I think it's hard girls a few days ago

[SPEAKER_04]: As a capitalism is like a car, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: With no rules, no laws, no stop lights, no street lights, no turn signals, no headlights, no meters, no a domiter, a car is actually an extremely dangerous object.

[SPEAKER_04]: But when there's the correct amount of limitations and there's the correct amount of, oh, it's to my mastermind, Stanis.

[SPEAKER_04]: Then a car becomes this wonderful tool from point A to point B.

[SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't walk the ways that we drive a lot, you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: And so it's the same thing with a gun, with like a bullet.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now she explains to the master my two is like, if you take a part of bullet and you light gunpowder, which I don't probably have a done, because I'm a nerd.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if you light gunpowder out of a bullet and just dump it on a table, it's really anti-climatic.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, just a little, just sizzles out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Really, really, it's annoying.

[SPEAKER_04]: But if you take it and you now put a very, use put a container around it and direction and focus.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's actually, it becomes this very interesting.

[SPEAKER_04]: Very, very interesting reaction.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's very, very different from the norm.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that's why I'm so passionate on the capitalist thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So and it's necessary to be disruptive about it because if you sugar code, yeah, we want to make more money and it's good for you to make more money because you can do good things with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't reach the people in the way that it needs to be reached because it does need to be disruptive.

[SPEAKER_00]: Disruptive doesn't have to mean offensive, but people are going to be offended no matter what.

[SPEAKER_00]: You may as well be judged for doing something that you love and is profitable.

[SPEAKER_00]: because of the utility of money what it's going to be able to do for you like you said like you be able to go faster reach more people because also when people pay for something people pay they pay attention when they are invested they are then invested in an outcome but if it's this victim mentality or waiting for a handout how is that also

[SPEAKER_00]: growing their mind to be able to reach new levels of, you know, think of Maslow's hierarchy that you get out of just the survival mode.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that socialism, from my, I learned so much from you, I will tell you that before I met you, I was, you know, limited my knowledge of this, but I feel like it, it allows people to keep being controlled and look at how much we've learned in the last couple years that mainstream media really showed its cards, especially in the last

[SPEAKER_00]: recent election, the media definitely showed Kamala is going to win.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then you saw the map, Trump had better coverage than Verizon.

[SPEAKER_00]: So mainstream media is saying this, but online journalism or the independent journalists are the ones that I trust more.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I want a little bit of topic here, but just to speak to

[SPEAKER_00]: I think the people that are trying to control the people that maybe more swayed into this victim mentality or more swayed into socialism, they're keeping them there because when people do have control and power and purpose, and I think also connection with a higher power, they are, how am I finishing this sentence?

[SPEAKER_00]: They're invincible.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we would have such a different world.

[SPEAKER_04]: It just is a problem-solving mentality at its soul.

[SPEAKER_04]: And one of the coolest things in college was they had to study what would happen if you removed cash, money, you know, currency, all of it from a society.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if we went back to it literally a trade society where there was no medium for value of exchange.

[SPEAKER_04]: If I needed water from the river, but I didn't need the meat that that person had over there.

[SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't trade anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: You have to have something in the middle.

[SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise, you're directly always looking for an exact solution.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the beauty of a currency and money is it allows a market to be able to have a middle ground where it's like, hey, I made something a value and I'm going to go exchange some money for it.

[SPEAKER_04]: because I'm not totally sure what I need yet, but I want to make sure that I start making sure that I can get what I need when I see it.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise, it's always an in the moment thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you look at societies and economies where the whole country is there's not really a good handle on currency and money and stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: they tend to stay in poverty because each individual is literally trading for themselves and in the moment only ever you can't you can't build financial walls because there's no funny you're not doing that you're like always solving the problems in the moment there was a guy that I was talking about this a couple years ago I reached out to him and I said

[SPEAKER_04]: We're entrepreneurs, we're business owners, like many people who watch this.

[SPEAKER_04]: I said to him, I had just written my first six figure check to the IRS.

[SPEAKER_04]: And my business, which is, you know, no one wants to pay taxes, but also a symbol of how my business was crushing.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it was really exciting.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I had planned for it, so it was coming and all that stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I also didn't know much about tax law and all that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, but anyway, I call them.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, dude, how do I like legally, ethically?

[SPEAKER_04]: not do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we started getting into that, you know, different strategies and things like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this piece that I'm about to say always just buckle up buttercup, all right, stick with me for just a little bit and just be able to the fact that there's maybe things about money to understand and maybe some false beliefs, you know, clock it around in your noggin, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: So, so think about this.

[SPEAKER_04]: I said how much money you like imagine whether you are if you're a business owner tell us what you got down below.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know if you're whether we want to know we want to know what you guys got, but

[SPEAKER_04]: For those of us who maybe you haven't imagined you go out, you take the risk on of leaving your job, you take the risk on of building something.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't totally know if there's a customer base, but you think there is.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then you get the first sale.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're like, wow, that's awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then you realize really soon that the money that came in, that's not yours.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's the businesses, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And then you got to learn how to take money from it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then, oh my gosh, you got to hire some team members because you can't handle the workload.

[SPEAKER_04]: I asked him, how much do I need to be paying myself for all of this to be worth it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Compared to me, just going back and working with somebody else.

[SPEAKER_04]: And without skipping a beat, he said, yeah, he said, my rule of thumb is it should be twice what you're nine to five paid you or like half a million here.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, whoa, like I had some money false beliefs.

[SPEAKER_04]: I had to overcome.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, there's not a chance I need to get paid that much.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't mean well, it's like this is kind of before I was really owning the capitalist pig thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was owning it, but not not that much like so much money.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know what to do with it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was just this and I know that's not like, oh my gosh, a crazy amount, but it was this part of six years ago and it hit me that it that was the first time it hit me.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I still have some money, false beliefs, click, crack around on the noggin on that

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'll make money, but then I'll give it all away when I die.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you can hear people say that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, they try to justify it.

[SPEAKER_04]: You try to justify getting rich.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, right, which don't judge me.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, so don't judge me.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to get, I've heard so many people in this very classroom say that right where they're like,

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to make money.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, how much money do you want to make?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, oh, I'm going to go make just enough for the amount that I need, but no more.

[SPEAKER_04]: No more, because I don't need that, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's like this little bashful thing that doing up their eyes even.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, looking away.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or they'll downplay their success.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, yeah, we made a million years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: But all we had to lot in taxes.

[SPEAKER_00]: We had to spend these things.

[SPEAKER_04]: We were so sorry.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're doing our part.

[SPEAKER_04]: I did fall into your lot.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, instead of just unapologetically.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can just answer the question.

[SPEAKER_04]: You showed all your false belief cards.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can see, you're naked up there.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't know how to, you know.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the conversation continued though.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he's like two times you're nine to five or half a million a year and I was like, wow.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then I was like, thank you so much for that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I appreciate that advice.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's great.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's just an interesting bar for me to hit.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now I can backwards plan my numbers, backwards plan, how much my business really needs to make.

[SPEAKER_04]: But then he, he up the ante.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this, this is actually the part of an old numbers to share.

[SPEAKER_04]: I never thought I was going to do this here.

[SPEAKER_04]: But think about your

[SPEAKER_04]: Just think about this, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: He goes, he said, I took this so far that I actually had a meeting with my team, and I said to them, I did not leave my job, take on insurmountable risk, put my family at risk, and face these crazy odds to not pay myself a million dollars a year.

[SPEAKER_04]: Help me get my million dollars a year, and then after that freaky bonus is for everybody.

[SPEAKER_04]: My investments and my investment plans don't need more than that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And sure enough, some people did not like that, and they left the organization.

[SPEAKER_04]: And people go, I don't want to, I'm not there to line my boss's pockets.

[SPEAKER_04]: Then start your own business cupcake because I'm like, what's the other option?

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I'm saying?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, there's nothing else.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the thing that he really taught me in this and the attitude towards it, which is very important is he taught me that this is the, I'm so excited to see the reactions on what I say.

[SPEAKER_04]: Getting rich in and of itself is philanthropic.

[SPEAKER_04]: Without any charity work, without donating anything, without any of you volunteering, just the act of you getting rich is an act of philanthropy because it is a reflection of the value you've created, the people you've employed, the amount of value, actual real-world value that you've had to pump into the marketplace, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: For you to make a million dollars, it means your business has to make way more than that.

[SPEAKER_04]: which means you have to sell way more than that, which means you have to solve way more than that.

[SPEAKER_04]: The trickle down effect of what it actually takes for you to make a million bucks is an active philanthropy, so get rich.

[SPEAKER_04]: On purpose, give back, but that doesn't mean give it away, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: You can if you want, but that's not the only thing it means.

[SPEAKER_04]: And what I found more and more is that when I say that to people, especially this happened last week in this room.

[SPEAKER_04]: just false beliefs, just fall on out of their eyeballs.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, oh, and it becomes very apparent why someone does not have extra cash and funds in their life because they're literally self sabotaging.

[SPEAKER_04]: They believe that money's going to hurt him.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so they don't actually go try to get rich.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the people who don't respect or understand that getting wealthy is about value creation will always criticize those who do.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's a really good line.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they must have scammed people.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there are unfortunately some people that have scammed people for a lot of money, but I also believe that they will in some way somehow always get caught or karma or they'll end up paying for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you didn't actually earn it in some way, it will be taken from you.

[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I completely believe that.

[SPEAKER_00]: But what an example to just be in an environment and to let down those guards, those those criticisms to go, wait a minute, what can I learn from these self judgments that are coming up where I want to look at someone and go, who do they think they are?

[SPEAKER_00]: Wait a minute, who do I think that I am?

[SPEAKER_00]: If I am a human being, put on this earth, it must be for a reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, they believe in a higher power that tells them like there is something that you are here to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: And whether that is make a lot of money, build a business, raise your family right.

[SPEAKER_00]: You are doing something to create value, whether you are raising capital or raising people, I think.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just this fun game we get to play before we check out.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a game.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fun game and I think that we are, we are the chess pieces in who we get to become throughout it all.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's nothing more fun for me than watching somebody like when we, you know, you and I teach on stage and you watch that moment, I built this place because of this exact feeling.

[SPEAKER_04]: When you stand on stage and you drop something on them that's super simple, it's a truth, but it shifts the furniture in their head.

[SPEAKER_04]: and for a moment it's so cool you'll watch it the like the leave the room emotionally it's like their psyche disappears for a second come there and then they like visit the future with this new insight now like wait I could or what if I or I see that we could and they start seeing possibility

[SPEAKER_04]: and then they snap back to the present.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, look at Adam's thumb, like, gotcha.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're never gonna be the same.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're always gonna look at this differently.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just watching that, watching that is the coolest feeling on the planet where someone starts to gain ownership, self ownership.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not they have to do the journey on your own.

[SPEAKER_04]: You should never try, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: But just the pursuit of it and the self discovery that comes from it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Understanding what your passion is most people don't want to work a nine to five every day where you just clock in clock out forty five years go by and suddenly like you know and that's why I like that this is a cooler path if you don't want that and if you do want that it's no harm in that either that's great some people want that it's awesome and so be a capitalist in a nine to five

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you can be capitals to nine to five.

[SPEAKER_04]: Capitalism also is not a right wing or left wing approach, either.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is one of the most important things I understand about capitalism.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have tons of left friends that are capitalists.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a political stance.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's an economic stance.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's one of the biggest things people don't understand about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, you gotta be right to be capitalist.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, no, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, if you want proof that the left arc capitalist, look at how much their wallets are.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now four years later, what have they been stealing?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's capitalism, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's just like, again, it's like goes back to this car thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, it's a tool for good or bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's an inanimate object.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's all, it's an inanimate object that has zero say in itself, a zero power in itself, and this is a conversation between an object that has agency, us, and an inanimate object that is just waiting for us to act on it, capitalism, which is nothing more than value-based problem-solving.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: How can someone fight that?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't get why it's such a bad deal.

[SPEAKER_04]: People like, we gotta go help others.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who do you think are the people that do that?

[SPEAKER_04]: The people who have profit?

[SPEAKER_00]: And God doesn't want you to be poor.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not noble to be poor.

[SPEAKER_04]: Humble doesn't mean poor.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think people just don't understand that and they think that it literally means that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just chose the path of being humble.

[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, the choice of being poor on purpose, I actually think is an extremely, is actually an extremely prideful thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: How much can I go help friends and family, which I've done, if I literally can't feed myself in my own family?

[SPEAKER_04]: The way that I show up, I'm not saying just like flush with cash.

[SPEAKER_04]: But even if you can't even meet your own needs, I mean, you rob yourself of experiences.

[SPEAKER_04]: You rob yourself of being present because you're constantly not present.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're worrying about where you're going to go and how to make cash.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I love telling people,

[SPEAKER_04]: If you really think money is evil, you've never been poor enough to understand its benefits of being rich, or you've literally never been to an actual poverty stricken country.

[SPEAKER_04]: And until you have, you can't sit in a first world country and tell me that money is evil, you're literally a benefit of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like shut up.

[SPEAKER_04]: It drives me nuts.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like you're so blessed.

[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that anyone that is hearing or watching this has access to be able to view this on some kind of a screen or device and have access to an internet connection, you are already in the one percent.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, which, by the way, I found some stats out on this to be a one percent earner.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is based on pre-scamedemic numbers.

[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: What?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So pre-planedemic.

[SPEAKER_04]: The, uh, you had to be making, uh, the bottom of the one percent takes home two hundred and forty thousand dollars a year.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's funny with the one percent or these billionaires.

[SPEAKER_04]: One percent is a lot lower than anything it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: The bottom floor to be a one percent take earner in your life is actually a two hundred and forty thousand dollars a year.

[SPEAKER_04]: The average one percent or takes home a million, but the bottom floor of it is still just under about a quarter million.

[SPEAKER_04]: So people are a little more close to the the one percent than they think they are.

[SPEAKER_04]: There was some study heard also where like if you even have a second pair of shoes.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're already like, anyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, don't look at my closet.

[SPEAKER_04]: But that's a point though, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And we can feel guilty about it or we can take what the blessings are they're given to us and move forward, you know, not to quote Spider-Man, but right with great power comes great responsibility and it's true.

[SPEAKER_04]: And right, I do believe that we are placed in environments that are meant to grow us, and especially our souls.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's just like all things, a good form of capitalism, and there's a bad way to use capitalism, but it's not the thing itself.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like calling food bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, well, there's good food, there's bad food.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's a good car and there's a bad car.

[SPEAKER_04]: It itself is inanimate.

[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't make decisions on its own.

[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, that's a long rant around this though, but yeah, Merry Christmas, you filthy socialist.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll even throw love back to you all the socialist that washed us.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, who just usually, if they don't get it, they usually just aren't educated enough.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I know that pisses them off to hear it, but they just don't think about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: They don't understand what capitalism is and they don't understand why it's

[SPEAKER_04]: It is not a perfect system, but it is socialism is shown to literally be the gateway drug into communism, which is the other reason why I fight it so much.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't rant in our break.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got one more thing on this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Adam Smith was the father of capitalism, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: He was the one that wrote the book, wealth of nations, and he was actually the person who

[SPEAKER_04]: He was the first guy to come out and really say that value is based in the eyes of the end user, not the creator.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, he's not talking about art, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: We make art for us.

[SPEAKER_04]: We make art too.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's not talking about that at all.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's value, that's soul food, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's, I'm artsy.

[SPEAKER_04]: But he's talking about an economic standpoint.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I like to use the example of shovels, like,

[SPEAKER_04]: Seven hundredths, Adam Smith writes wealth of nations.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he does it to help nations understand literally the patterns and what causes nations to be wealthy.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's why he writes it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it became this road map for nations.

[SPEAKER_04]: And what people started realizing is that just because it takes me to make a shovel, it takes five days for me to make a shovel and takes that over there, one day to make a shovel.

[SPEAKER_04]: What they were doing back then is they're saying, well, it took me five days to make the shovel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Therefore, I'm going to charge you more and Adam Swift is like, it's the same shovel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's pretend it's the exact same shovel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Someone's like, I need a shovel.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got a dig hole or whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: The person who comes forward says, I can make the exact same shovel in one day.

[SPEAKER_04]: values in the eyes of the end user will back then the mindset was not the way it is now right now we'd be like well who cares like I just care because I'm the ones can be using it back then seventeen hundreds he's like values in the eyes of the end user if it takes you long to do something at the exact same quality as the next person that's not more valuable

[SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's not more valuable.

[SPEAKER_00]: The opposite, we will fire people if they are not efficient with their time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so even Einstein says, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm going to miss quote it, but capitalism has brought with a massive advancements, not just economically, but in knowledge.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is one of the reasons capitalism fosters knowledge is that we are constantly trimming the fat.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, you know what?

[SPEAKER_04]: How do we actually make the shovel in just four days instead of five?

[SPEAKER_04]: And so knowledge increases and

[SPEAKER_04]: efficiency increases and how to solve cool problems increases you think about how much free time we really have right now I Open the fridge and buggy is anymore right open the fridge for food I do this for water this plumbing.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's I mean we have a ton of free time compared to even just three hundred years ago's humanity and it's a lot of it in part of this capitalism my clothes into a machine so to go down to the river with a board

[SPEAKER_04]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, really if you got down to it, like just the basics of living, not even having to go to work, like think of one reflect on like what a Saturday or Sunday might be.

[SPEAKER_04]: You might be busy, but you're not busy fighting for just the basics of humanity to just live, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Which is everyone was a farmer because you had to be, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: So what was cool about what Adam Smith did is he redefined literally the word value and came forward and said, and so I went on like this three months kick because I'm a nerd.

[SPEAKER_04]: about what value is and value quite literally means utility value is is basically synonymous with the word utility and utility you could just say is usefulness right so I'm gonna come in and make things that are valuable meaning useful

[SPEAKER_04]: It's useful for an audience or a group of human to laugh.

[SPEAKER_04]: So notice comedy didn't die during this pandemic, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's useful for a, so when someone says I don't like capitalism also, they're also not understanding what value is.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they think value means handout.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm being useful in any way that that word means and I'm still being a capitalist.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's such a beautiful way to think about it and it reframes the way we need to go, um, think about capitalism.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, I don't know, I'm totally so boxy.

[SPEAKER_04]: I actually took, this is right when like AI started really exploding in terms of the public use of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I took the book, wealth of nations and we loaded it into AI, like six years ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: I loaded it into AI and I interviewed it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I said, Adam Smith, I'd like to interview you on capitalism, and it talked back and forth to me.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so we loaded all these works up from Adam Smith, father, capitalism, all of a sudden.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I want to interview you.

[SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't six years ago, so I'm getting messed up.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's more like three years ago, sorry.

[SPEAKER_04]: And times messed up.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, Adam Smith, could you please help me understand the benefits of capitalism and unfairness the benefits of socialism?

[SPEAKER_04]: And sure you could argue that he's biased.

[SPEAKER_04]: He wrote the book Welles of Nations, but he argues the points really, really well.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I got to a certain question when interviewing AI Adam Smith where I said,

[SPEAKER_04]: I said, Adam, is the opposite of capitalism socialism?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like we're always saying capitalism versus socialism, is that actually an accurate thing?

[SPEAKER_04]: If it is great, if it's not great, just I need to know, is the opposite of capitalism socialism?

[SPEAKER_04]: And immediately, it was like, no.

[SPEAKER_04]: The opposite of capitalism is not socialism.

[SPEAKER_04]: The opposite of capitalism is someone not, I'm going to mess up what I said a little bit.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not socialism.

[SPEAKER_04]: The opposite of capitalism is people not owning things.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's literally the lack of ownership in the true sense, so whether that's the deed to your house or owning the fact that you have a problem to solve in your life.

[SPEAKER_04]: Socialism is going around and saying, somebody else owns all the stuff, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're going to divvy it out equally.

[SPEAKER_04]: Communism is where one person owns everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they hand out what they want to, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's China, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Or this is a lot of light.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what literally communism.

[SPEAKER_04]: Socialism is where we say, oh, you know what?

[SPEAKER_04]: I like that bike.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we're all over here deciding that your bike should be mine.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's communism, or that's socialism.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what that means.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's been interesting to see over the last like fifty years how this media has been used to spin the definitions a little bit of what capitalism means, because people think it means stealing, but it's actually the opposite of what stealing is.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's ownership.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's the ability to own in an actual literal sense.

[SPEAKER_04]: The fact that I can say, no, that's my bike.

[SPEAKER_04]: I bought that bike that bikes mine and I have the deed for it and there's laws to protect the fact that that bike is mine.

[SPEAKER_04]: A democracy is the other part that people are messing up with it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is there a democracy in a republic are not the same thing and to the republic for which it stands?

[SPEAKER_04]: Republic is the other part that protects the fact that Jimmy can own the bike and people can't vote away.

[SPEAKER_04]: A democracy is not is also not the other thing that we want.

[SPEAKER_04]: A democracy literally is so much power to the people that we act like the three branches of government out there and we can go, hey, so do you say that you're bike or we're going to decide if that's true over here because we're democracy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go over here and we're going to vote is that Jimmy's bike and the population goes, that is not Jimmy's bike and then suddenly Jimmy doesn't own a bike anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's democracy.

[SPEAKER_04]: I want a republic, not a democracy.

[SPEAKER_04]: I want a republic, capitalistic, free market economy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Those are different aspects and it's very interesting to watch what's happening over the last little bit where the media is absolutely spinning the terms and what these things mean.

[SPEAKER_04]: Capitalism means stealing.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, literally socialism means that, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Today, I'm gonna take Jimmy's bike just because I want to and because everyone owns everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's no division of ownership in socialism and capitalism exactly the opposite, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: So, and that's why he are out of Smith argued these points so hard on saying, look, to be a capitalist means to own a thing in rate like own, it's yours.

[SPEAKER_04]: I could just come take your car if you're a socialist and you shouldn't fight me about it because you're a socialist.

[SPEAKER_04]: Give me your house, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Communism just means the government is saying that now, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's why social, the next, I want to put out is the one that says, um, uh, list of successful socials countries on the back.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's no countries, there's no, there's every single socialist country has been a failed country.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, they either go bankrupt or they have to start dealing on handouts and charities that can't defend for them or defend for themselves anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I know I'm rampant really hard on this, but I am so pro-capitalism that I feel like to redefine capitalism, funny enough, has actually been more of an act of defining capitalism.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a redefining

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a defining, and it's a defining, what socialism is, and it's a defining of what it means to just be a good human being, whereas a capitalist, I can look at someone and say, oh my gosh, you are a masseuse.

[SPEAKER_04]: and you literally massage people and you actually have to have a root canal surprisingly and you're in so much pain you can't work anymore and your husband is a total shmuck it's a real scenario that happened and we went out and we paid for this woman's root canal

[SPEAKER_04]: without a knowing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_04]: We found out where it does.

[SPEAKER_04]: We called me, paid a seventeen hundred bucks.

[SPEAKER_04]: She was almost she couldn't handle that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's tough in a socialist society.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's free healthcare.

[SPEAKER_04]: How good is free?

[SPEAKER_04]: I would so much rather pay for my healthcare.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't you dare make my healthcare free, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Tell me every doctor is incentivized the same when everyone is getting paid the exact same.

[SPEAKER_04]: Why would you have incentive to be a good destroys competition?

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, I'm so box and real hard, but yeah, if you're any form of capitalist or you're trying to figure out what it means to be a capitalist, we are pigs.com has the stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: We the pigs.com.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sorry, we are pigs.

[SPEAKER_04]: We the pigs says like we the people.

[SPEAKER_04]: We the people.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, yeah, I've been ranting hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is your topic and I really wanted you to speak to it, especially with the capitalist pig brand.

[SPEAKER_00]: We the pigs dot com.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is something that we brought back to life.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this was like a huge part of your brand for many years and because it's such important, loud, existing noise that you were able to contribute to.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what made the brand take off so much.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a couple months ago that Steve said, I want to bring it back and bring it back big.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, twenty four hours later, we had just the right things fall into place, which I think also speaks to the alignment of just how important and necessary it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then when we in our line are an alignment, just things fall into place as they did.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was twenty four hours later.

[SPEAKER_00]: And now the store is up and go to wethepigs.com.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a cool topic.

[SPEAKER_04]: Probably the biggest piece of feedback I get from people is just confusion.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm glad we've done this.

[SPEAKER_04]: When I wear the shirt, a third of the people love it, a third of the people hate it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And a third can't decide because they don't get it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're like pig.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they don't realize that Capitalist Pig came from the book Animal Farm.

[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't make it up.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a widespread name.

[SPEAKER_04]: Capitalist Pig, the pigs, Animal Farm, it really good book.

[SPEAKER_04]: Some countries are trying to get rid of it right now, but it actually, and other books from that author, and those types of books, it's a book that describes, it takes a farm and it takes all the animals in the farm and uses the different animals in the farm to describe the different economic engines in countries.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so the socialist were the sheep because they because and this is the in the book.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not making this up.

[SPEAKER_04]: The socialist were the sheep because they could not think for themselves herd mentality.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right, it's so funny when people will be like, I'm left because I'm a free thinker.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, cool, just confuse that.

[SPEAKER_04]: You could be left in a capitalist.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's nothing to do with that, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: In fact, capitalism celebrates that.

[SPEAKER_04]: The pigs were the capitalist because pigs are notoriously very, very smart.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're the smartest animal on the farm.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're problem solving.

[SPEAKER_04]: They can do a little more.

[SPEAKER_04]: They think for themselves.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're independent thinkers.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's why the capitalist were the pigs.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, as

[SPEAKER_04]: Time went on and they started spinning what capitalism means and trying to fake people on what it actually is.

[SPEAKER_04]: People started calling people capitalist pigs is like a middle finger kind of a derogatory term.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the first time someone ever called me that seven or eight years ago, I was like, I don't think there's no what you're saying.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I am a capitalist pig.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna put on my chest and a big friend thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we got all the, you know, intellectual property now stuff on it, but it's, yeah, anyway.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you've had thousands and thousands of people that have bought this shirt and are owning the phrase, get rich, give back.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I was also expecting you to say that the mission is to improve the economic and spiritual well-being of mankind.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yep, improve the economic and spiritual being mankind.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's written in our mission statement.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all of the companies that we work in.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm glad we did this.

[SPEAKER_00]: This was kind of not a purpose, but the kind of fell out, you know, fantastic because even when we talked about talk about this topic before, you were like, well, let me maybe get an expert to also volley with, but I think you on your own was fantastic.

[SPEAKER_04]: Most people are capitalist.

[SPEAKER_04]: They just misunderstand what it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: The thing that I think is missing in society right now in terms of capitalism is that actually wrote this in the capitalist code of ethics or pledge.

[SPEAKER_04]: Share pull it up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever someone gets a shirt from WeThePigs.com, which plug plug plug, I think we've said it many times, but there is this.

[SPEAKER_04]: This insert that comes

[SPEAKER_04]: And I spent so long on it, a lot of research to figure out how do you know if you're a capitalist?

[SPEAKER_04]: That was really the question that was fueling on this.

[SPEAKER_04]: How do you know you're actually a capitalist?

[SPEAKER_04]: And the way that you know you're a capitalist is the things you've been talking about right now, really at the heart of the heart, it means a problem-solver.

[SPEAKER_04]: Someone who wants ownership and they solve problems.

[SPEAKER_04]: And capitalism is beautiful because if you want to get paid more, you just solve better problems.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I was explaining this to their girls a while ago we got the grocery store and um

[SPEAKER_04]: actually remember we were all together and this guy was bagging groceries at the end of the line and we got in the car and I said I said hey that guy put in the bags the groceries in the bag those that's nice of him right and like yeah super nice those awesome I was like it's it's a problem that he's solving for us right like yeah and I go think about the person who solved the problem of how to

[SPEAKER_04]: get from one place to another in a car.

[SPEAKER_04]: Would you say that they're the same kind of problem though?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, is one problem bigger than the other?

[SPEAKER_04]: And they were immediately.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they're little kids.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, oh, yeah, well, driving a car is the much harder problem to solve than putting back groceries in a bag.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not here to

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not here to, like, slam anyone.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just, this is the, this is what I think people have a hard time with the capitalism as they go, well, because I put bags in the, in the grocery.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have it groceries in the bag, and because I also, and this person over here's going to bull, because I solved the problem, how to drive a car.

[SPEAKER_04]: We need to get paid the same, and capitalism is like, no, problems are not created equally, and not all problems are worth solving.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so what we have to do good as a capitalist society is to recognize that just because there is a problem, doesn't mean we need to pursue its solution.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're not the end users of seeing what the value is.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I started doing all this research, this little pledge comes as a card in each one of the every piece of swag that goes out at, you know, we the pigs.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it says, so when you take the pledge, you're agreeing to terms.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's certain terms that you have to agree to to wear the swag.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so this is part of like, it's not some just like tongue and cheek thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm dead serious.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a capitalist pig through and through.

[SPEAKER_04]: We'll die on the Hill.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's the Hill I'm supposed to go climb also.

[SPEAKER_04]: So says as a capitalist, you pledge to number one, there's five rules.

[SPEAKER_04]: Rule number one is that you follow the law of self interest.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is, I've made this one right out of the gate, because we have a hard time with this one, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, wait, self-interest is a virtue, and I am Ryan has a whole book on this called the virtue of selfishness.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, it gets taken out of context, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Where we start acting like we shouldn't be self-interested, but actually self-interest raises the tide.

[SPEAKER_04]: It actually makes all ships go up.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because you're acting in self-interest, I'm acting in self-interest, they're acting in self-interest.

[SPEAKER_04]: And because of that, we're all trying to solve problems and solutions and back and forth and now all ships rise.

[SPEAKER_04]: But when we don't do that, when we all start acting like our problems are not problems, we get we start lying about what value is.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: So number one, we follow a lot of self-interest, which means that we fulfill the needs of others in exchange for personal gain.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we're still all about personal gain as capitalists, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_04]: But we do it while in the pursuit of solving the needs of others.

[SPEAKER_04]: which is really, really cool.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's a blending of the two.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I say that, and a lot of socialists are like, well, that's socialism.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, no, it's not.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's capitalism.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're not understanding what those are.

[SPEAKER_04]: So at number two, I love this one.

[SPEAKER_04]: To be a capitalist, you pledge that you will champion innovation.

[SPEAKER_04]: We are innovative thinkers to sit back and say, I can't because I was at a terrible living situation when I was raised.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I can't.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm unqualified from going down my dreams or figuring out what I want because of my family history or something that happened in the year.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got this trauma.

[SPEAKER_04]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_04]: Work on your trauma.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who doesn't have it?

[SPEAKER_04]: And I take the time you need to, but understand that

[SPEAKER_04]: a capitalist champions innovation.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're very innovative.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're coming up with really, really cool innovation pieces.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the subbar there is that competition and creativity are the fuel to valuable solutions.

[SPEAKER_04]: Competition and creativity.

[SPEAKER_04]: I get a lot of people again.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not trying to go left versus right on this.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's just a lot of left people think that they're not capitalists.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, you absolutely are.

[SPEAKER_04]: You just don't know it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I do like, well, I'm creative and so I'm not a capitalist.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like,

[SPEAKER_04]: That's, that's like one of the primary fuels of capitalism is creativity.

[SPEAKER_04]: Steve Jobs going, I want all my songs on this little cube.

[SPEAKER_03]: Get on it, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Now CD plays on a thing, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Number three, we uphold ethical responsibility.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's absolutely a code of ethics.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have to uphold this capitalist, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is, this is the part where people will misuse capitalism is that empathy and virtue are what guide, morally, heavier of the individual.

[SPEAKER_04]: rather than a government.

[SPEAKER_04]: So if you have a government, constantly coming in and spot checking your use of capitalism, you're misusing capitalism.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not up to the government to tell me what my ethical and moral behavior should be with this power called capitalism.

[SPEAKER_04]: And when we as a society start jacking that up, that's when the next generation starts saying things like capitalism's evil.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just for people who just like screw other people.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, well, that happens.

[SPEAKER_04]: especially when people are starting to use only law as the guide of moral behavior.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's not what it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: I wrote that empathy and virtue guide moral behavior of the individual.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not up to a government.

[SPEAKER_04]: Number four is that we actually use capitalism in a way that we support sustainable growth.

[SPEAKER_04]: We can grow too quickly.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we need to use these resources we have with prudence.

[SPEAKER_04]: Number five is that we maintain our wealth.

[SPEAKER_04]: Don't be an idiot when you get rich.

[SPEAKER_04]: Use it right.

[SPEAKER_04]: People get people are idiots when they make a lot of money.

[SPEAKER_04]: Money solves all my problems.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, it doesn't.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if you really don't know how to handle being rich, you're just gonna have probably more problems.

[SPEAKER_04]: I hate the phrase, more money, more problems.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's dumb, false belief, that keeps people poor.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not more money, more problems.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a moronic thing to believe.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's more money, different problems.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who doesn't wanna graduate?

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't wear diapers anymore because I didn't like it when I was one.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't mean we're just that way and people just they get out of high school or they get out of school or whatever it is and they just stop growing they just stop right they just enter this routine nine to five they don't do anything else with their lives and it's like of course you're gonna hate capitalism because capitalism is about growth and that doesn't mean erratic

[SPEAKER_04]: growth.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's sustained.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's why number five is what it is is that we want sustainability with our resources.

[SPEAKER_04]: We want sustainability in the way we maintain our wealth and choose to actively get rich and choose to actively give back.

[SPEAKER_04]: If somebody has to invite you to give back, you're starting to slip.

[SPEAKER_04]: Think about if we had mandated ways to give back.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's no longer charity that robs the giver as much as from the soul as it does their actual wallet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Mays will be taxes.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's exactly it, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, so people are like, well, I believe in helping people.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, cool, make a ton of money.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's gonna be way easier.

[SPEAKER_04]: I need a lot faster for you too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, so that's what it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's the pledge.

[SPEAKER_04]: And at the end, if they agree to it, they wear whatever swag they bought from the store.

[SPEAKER_04]: They take a picture and post it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because I think that's just the best thing you can do right now is just share the fact that capitalism is in evil.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's all defog what this beautiful gift is.

[SPEAKER_04]: and what the freaking country was invented to do, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: And realize that the lack of self-ownership, the lack of being able to grow and the lack of choosing to grow, literally choosing stagnation is the opposite of capitalism solely.

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