Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast

Two months in, and the dust is finally settling. Systems are clicking(ish), rides are less chaotic (maybe), and your kid might even be tying their own skates! Progress?

Scott and Jamie sit down for an early season pulse check - the highs, the lows, and the subtle wins you only notice when you zoom out. From dealing with performance lulls to celebrating quiet growth, this one’s about seeing the full picture of development (yours and theirs).

In this episode:
- Why “less is more” is the secret weapon of more “seasoned” parents
- When routine builds confidence and when that stops working
- Trying to let go of the daily micromanaging and playing the long game

Not every weekend needs to be epic. But if your kid’s still smiling and learning - you’re on the right track.

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What is Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast?

A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.

Jamie:

So, everybody, welcome back to the crazy hockey dads podcast episode 37, the unfiltered podcast for hockey parents. No politics, no sugarcoating, just real talk for hockey parents in the trenches.

Scott:

In those trenches.

Jamie:

In those trenches. And we are in a different type of trench here. We're in the hockey bunker.

Scott:

We're in the trenches.

Jamie:

The hockey bunker.

Scott:

We're in the hockey bunker.

Jamie:

The hockey bunker, which

Scott:

Welcome is to my hockey bunker.

Jamie:

I appreciate it. Nice to be here.

Scott:

Yo, thanks for We driving to my place.

Jamie:

We may need to I like your setup better than than my office.

Scott:

Do you?

Jamie:

I do. Why? I don't know. Just do.

Scott:

Great. You're welcome here anytime. Sweet. Amazing. New location?

Scott:

Yo, we got to deck it out a little bit.

Jamie:

We definitely do it.

Scott:

If your wife is bound, If is your wife down

Jamie:

for that?

Scott:

Pretty sure. She Really? Could be Well, it depends what we're trying to do.

Jamie:

How crazy can we get?

Scott:

Let's let's, figure it out.

Jamie:

Oh, I like the sound of this, by

Scott:

the way. It could go in a good direction.

Jamie:

I I was not expecting that. Why? I just didn't think that she would let that happen. Why? Normally, women don't like their house to be man caved.

Scott:

Well, I don't know that we're trying to put a kegerator down here.

Jamie:

Wait, wait, wait. Why not?

Scott:

Fair point. Fair.

Jamie:

Fair. We could put like there could be family friendly beverages in it.

Scott:

You could have like kombucha? Was Sparkling gonna fermented I gonna say seltzer. Well, seltzer's good. And it's carbonated.

Jamie:

Scott likes his seltzers.

Scott:

I do like seltzers.

Jamie:

And I'm not not alcoholic. This is just straight seltzer. Yeah. No. When you say seltzers these days, people don't think of like

Scott:

They're not sure. Real seltzer. They think of like Hard seltzer. Hard seltzer. Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. This is like really like real regular seltzer. Yes. Yep. Right?

Scott:

Exactly.

Jamie:

Wow. So she would let us like she would let us like podcastify this place?

Scott:

Listen, let's put sure. Can I mean, the walls are pretty bare? So we can definitely do some things.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

Like I like what podcastify it. There's not like there's that much on the screen anyway. We don't have to like True. True. True.

Scott:

Maybe we need to do it.

Jamie:

Maybe we need to make it like

Scott:

a So check this out. So Noah had a play date at a friend's house that she hadn't been to before. And the kid, the girl's older brother, who's also twenty fourteen, same year of birth year as Otto, but he's in fifth grade, not in sixth grade. Got it. He redshirted.

Scott:

Red shirted fourth grade? Fifth grade? He red shirted somewhere. Otto's a Otto should be in fourth in fifth grade. Okay.

Scott:

So he's in fourth. Same age as Otto? No. Otto's in sixth.

Jamie:

Got it.

Scott:

His kid's in fifth. Same age, though? They're the same age.

Jamie:

So he red shirted.

Scott:

Yeah. Okay. Well, however you wanna put it. Fine. Yeah.

Scott:

Got it. But no. Because technically, Otto, he didn't redshirt. He's where he's supposed to be. Otto's, like, ahead.

Jamie:

Oh, so Otto jumped ahead?

Scott:

Otto jumped ahead.

Jamie:

Oh, okay. Yeah. Redshirt sounds better.

Scott:

I don't

Jamie:

know what to call somebody who jumps ahead.

Scott:

Unwise parents. That's what you say. Unwise parents. Are you calling you and your wife unwise parents? Very much so.

Scott:

Okay. Got it. That a bad decision.

Jamie:

I should have red shirted Dominic. I did not get the chance to, but I

Scott:

wouldn't What do have mean? You seen guys

Jamie:

Well, no. I should have in kindergarten Oh. Which is the normal place to redshirt. Right? But because of the academy that he goes to now, I can redshirt.

Scott:

Yeah. That's definitely something we talk about. If He needs redshirt. Hockey can be the

Jamie:

The catalyst. The reasoning. Yeah.

Scott:

Anyway, getting back to my story.

Jamie:

Yeah. Fire

Scott:

away. So we're talking about podcast defying the basement. Noah goes on, that's my daughter. She's in second grade and she had to playdate at a friend's house. The older brother plays hockey or just started playing hockey.

Scott:

And so Orly's, my wife drops her off at the and she got invited in the house for the first time. And they go down to the basement and the family turned their basement Into? Into a shooting gallery with glice. Has dashers around netting up coming down from the ceiling.

Jamie:

Showing doesn't put holes in the ceiling.

Scott:

The kid's a goalie. And so the dad goes down there And the

Jamie:

dad shoots on him.

Scott:

Dad shoots on him. That's So my daughter for most of the play date, they were quote unquote figure skating, you know, whatever, on glass.

Jamie:

Yes, yes, But

Scott:

I was like, woah, that's pretty sick.

Jamie:

So you might have put glass down here? Is that what you're I telling

Scott:

mean, this stuff's so messy, man.

Jamie:

I

Scott:

tell Those you shavings get everywhere.

Jamie:

Can I just tell you, my buddy, Damien, who lived across the street from me, his twenty twelve, used to be a goalie?

Scott:

That household is done with ice hockey?

Jamie:

Yeah. Now it's like hockey and football and lacrosse.

Scott:

Got you.

Jamie:

Yeah, and soccer for his daughter. So, I remember when he used to go into the Goalie Box at the Avalanche, where, you know, with the Avalanche, the amount of crap.

Scott:

Oh, when you say the goalie box, there's that there's that ice training room where they have glice. Correct. What you're talking about.

Jamie:

Goalie Box. Right. It's like a box that the goalies would. Yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

But is that

Jamie:

I call it Goalie Box.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Great. I think it's on Ring 2.

Scott:

Ring

Jamie:

2. Right? Ring 2? Yeah.

Scott:

The right

Jamie:

hand side.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

I called the Goldiebox. But, yeah, it's it's it has fake ice on it. Right? You know? So, so I remember when he used to come out of there, the amount of shit that was on Everywhere.

Jamie:

Dude, it's like fine dust. No, it's not dust. It's static. Oh, clings to everything.

Scott:

It clings to everything.

Jamie:

Yeah. It's awful.

Scott:

It's worse than dog hair.

Jamie:

It's like Styrofoam. You know when Styrofoam just clings to

Scott:

everything? Like the little

Jamie:

Yeah, you know what I mean? When Styrofoam comes apart? Totally. It's awful. I remember he asked me to bring him home one day, I was like, Fuck.

Scott:

My car is gonna wash. Dude, it's awful.

Jamie:

Stuff is awful. So they had glass in their basement.

Scott:

In their basement. Yeah, it's pretty sick.

Jamie:

I would need vacuums built into the walls.

Scott:

Yeah. Something. Something that's like next level.

Jamie:

Pull a hose out.

Scott:

Like car wash level. Industrial.

Jamie:

You know those, like when you go into like a cigar bar and they have the filtration system? The monster filtration system.

Scott:

Do you smoke cigars?

Jamie:

Not anymore. But you know the cigar bars where they have those massive foot so it, like, just pulls monster air through the room and up, up, right, and up and out? I almost feel like you need one of those when you're done, when your kid's done. When you close the door and you turn

Scott:

the switch on, it just sucks everything out of the room. That would be amazing. Might be onto something. For all the families with glice issues

Jamie:

Crazy hockey dad exhaust system.

Scott:

That was like your idea for like Dude, Zambrumi?

Jamie:

Bro, it

Scott:

That's what that needs. It needs a Zambrumi. Yes. Exactly. Zambrumi.

Scott:

I'm telling you. This episode is brought to you by Zambrumi.

Jamie:

Get them at your local hardware stores. Yeah. But seriously, like, like, we we need to go down that road. We're we'll come back to that, but we need

Scott:

to go down that road at some point. But, but, yeah,

Jamie:

that stuff's so that guy's whole basement was like that?

Scott:

Yeah. I'll show you pictures.

Jamie:

That that's like The the maintenance on that

Scott:

is Yeah. Pull it up right now.

Jamie:

The maintenance on that is just too much for me. I'm looking for I have to tell you. These days, I'm looking for maintenance free.

Scott:

Maintenance free. Well, there's only so many things. Sometimes you just have to take the hard hard route.

Jamie:

Well, hey, listen. Did I tell you Dominic got new gloves?

Scott:

Goddamn. Yeah. Hold on. Before you do that. So here, can you just scoot over?

Jamie:

Are sending it to me? Oh, you want

Scott:

me to send it to you?

Jamie:

Yeah, send it to me. Send it to me so I can see it so I don't have to take my face away from the microphone. Oh, really?

Scott:

Oh my god, can I just tell you?

Jamie:

My buddy sent me No,

Scott:

was just gonna say, why don't we,

Jamie:

There's this thing on Facebook, it's called the Six Stages of Youth Sports. He sent it to me, it's phenomenal. Apparently this is a very funny husband and wife. Yeah. He sent it me, and I happened to take a peek at it as I got in the car to come over here and holy shit, is this husband and wife funny.

Jamie:

The six stages of youth sports. It's got 4,400,000 views.

Scott:

Oh, really?

Jamie:

It's very funny, yes.

Scott:

Like, if you guys go listen to it, you will all get what they're saying. So, like, take a look at your so you walk down the stairs and it literally

Jamie:

You walk right

Scott:

onto it? Right onto the Glice.

Jamie:

Oh, wow. It's big. Wow. They have boards and everything.

Scott:

Look at Yeah. Dashers, the whole nine. They don't mess around, Didn't mess around.

Jamie:

That's impressive. That's actually Oh, yeah.

Scott:

You come

Jamie:

down the stairs and you're literally in it.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

That's the way to use a basement.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

I'm assuming your wife would not let us do that here.

Scott:

Yeah. I don't think I would wanna do that.

Jamie:

I don't think you should do that here. Would not

Scott:

want to. This was an interesting thing. So obviously, super well intentioned. The kid's a goalie but the dad was like, he was like, I can only really shoot at one angle on him, which is like dead on. Oh, yeah.

Scott:

He can't go from the side. It it he can't he can't really get too far out to the side.

Jamie:

Because the basement's not wide enough.

Scott:

So listen. There's no doubt there's plenty of work you can do, but, like, still, he's like, it's it's limited. Alright. Listen. That's cool.

Scott:

I wouldn't do it. But but it's cool. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. Alright. So real quick, before we go any further, let's talk our partners. How was hockey?

Jamie:

Crazy ten.

Scott:

Crazy ten. Love it. Love it. Love it. Love it.

Scott:

Use it. Get your laces. Get your tape. Get more tape and some additional tape in case you run out of your tape. And then we

Jamie:

also That's right. In case you

Scott:

run You out what I was also gonna mention? The T shirt

Jamie:

quality Nancy is was wearing dude, Nancy was T wearing it the other

Scott:

shirt quality is high.

Jamie:

They have great stuff. I mean, they really do have great stuff. I mean, I loved their wax. It smells fantastic. Yeah.

Jamie:

I know that sounds ridiculous, but it smells fantastic.

Scott:

You know I mean? You should have an made.

Jamie:

Oh, like a cologne? Yeah. A Howie's hockey cologne?

Scott:

Yeah. We should run maybe we

Jamie:

should run that by then.

Scott:

Like a like Howie's hockey? Like, Howie's hockey.

Jamie:

Listen. Maybe we need to have a conversation behind us at Howie's.

Scott:

We should get, like, know, rink scent. Like,

Jamie:

I mean, listen.

Scott:

It's like Wait. Wait. Wait. Be like man repeller.

Jamie:

Hockey bag. Hockey bag?

Scott:

No doubt. Hockey bag? Hockey gloves? No. Blockers?

Scott:

This guy is so disgusting. So gnarly.

Jamie:

Like like, skates.

Scott:

Listen. Dirty jock. Wow.

Jamie:

I didn't know we can go that far.

Scott:

We can go like men's, like vintage men's league line. We're for dudes that have equipment from when they were in high school.

Jamie:

As long as the logo can be the JOFA helmet.

Scott:

Oh, dude. I played against the guy that was wearing the JOFA the other night. Recently? Yeah. Like, two nights ago.

Jamie:

Was he, like, 70?

Scott:

He was probably in

Jamie:

his Sixties?

Scott:

Late sixties. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's also legit.

Scott:

He's good? He was legit. Yeah.

Jamie:

No shit.

Scott:

I swear to god. It was good.

Jamie:

That's impressive. Was he wearing a was he wearing the Joffa with a cage? No.

Scott:

He

Jamie:

had a visor on. Yeah. And he

Scott:

had, like, flow. He had some lettuce coming out the side.

Jamie:

Gotta watch those chicklets, dude.

Scott:

Yo. Guy was and there was a guy Chicklets

Jamie:

are exposed.

Scott:

Yeah. Listen. He took a spill too. Did he? There was a guy on the other team.

Scott:

He was such a try hard. He I think he was, like

Jamie:

Oh, I thought

Scott:

you impersonating were Austin Matthews. Like Was he good? No. Oh. But, like, his whole situation was, like, he and then the end of the Speaking

Jamie:

of Austin Matthews, Devils won five two last night.

Scott:

I saw Jack Hughes had it. That's what's up.

Jamie:

Yeah. The empty netter at the

Scott:

end. No doubt.

Jamie:

Yeah. Did you see the fight at the end?

Scott:

No. I didn't see the fight. I just watched the the condensed game.

Jamie:

Dude, right after the right after his Jack Hughes' empty netter

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Hallinen, a new dude on the fourth line,

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Like, went at it with I don't remember who. But he got in a right hand. It looked like he was losing the fight,

Scott:

And then

Jamie:

And then he came with a right hand over the top, and oh my Lord.

Scott:

Crushed him.

Jamie:

I'm not so sure how how it was hard to tell if he really connect it connected. Yeah. I'm not sure, like, how much connected, but the dude went down like a sack. Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

Like, I mean, he wasn't but he got right back up, so it's not like he, like, knocked him out.

Scott:

He might have just, like, really caught him off guard. But dude,

Jamie:

think he only got one or two punches in, but this last punch was

Scott:

Landed. Oh, bro. Alright. So, Howie's Hockey, use the discount code, crazy 10.

Jamie:

Their stuff's awesome. Yep. Yeah. They have an awesome light the lamp t shirt for you hockey kids that is

Scott:

light.

Jamie:

I I can't buy it because it's for like it's for like a seven, eight year old, but like they have such cool stuff for like younger kids.

Scott:

Oh, yeah.

Jamie:

You know? That's cool. Have onesies too, actually. I'm like, I'm actually

Scott:

having more kids?

Jamie:

No. No. That ship has sailed.

Scott:

Done.

Jamie:

The store has been closed.

Scott:

Oh, okay.

Jamie:

Yeah. Nancy and don't wanna be outnumbered. Like, right now, we can, like, one on one with our kids.

Scott:

Fair.

Jamie:

We're trying not to be outnumbered.

Scott:

Yeah. That that does present an issue.

Jamie:

Yeah. That shop's closed.

Scott:

Yeah. Got you. Copy, same here.

Jamie:

Never to be reopened again. All

Scott:

right, so moving on. Yes. Prostride elite skating.

Jamie:

Oh, yeah. I spoke. Oh,

Scott:

Don't say it unless you're committing.

Jamie:

I spoke to the devil's personnel today. We're working on it.

Scott:

Oh, so that's your update. We're working on it. You've been working

Jamie:

on this.

Scott:

Listen. It's

Jamie:

Our people have

Scott:

to put

Jamie:

their Listen. This stuff is not easy. No. You know? This stuff is not easy at all.

Scott:

No. The the rules are not easy.

Jamie:

It's funny. We just I I just happened to, like, look at my email to see if the devil's got wrote me back yet. Yeah. And we just got a collaboration idea from, Crazy Hockey Dads and Minor Hockey Talks.

Scott:

Yeah. Saw that earlier. Which is a very when did it come? I don't know. Like, earlier after.

Jamie:

Minor Hockey Talks is a very large, like, forum for youth hockey

Scott:

Suits setting up.

Jamie:

In Canada and US.

Scott:

Set it up. Why you start working on that one too? Maybe '26 will You

Jamie:

get it on the think this shit's easy to get people on? This shit is not easy, especially when you're dealing with like, you know, the NHL phone clubs.

Scott:

Pick and call someone. I was just out to lunch with my buddy the other day. Yeah, no, you did. Yes. But he's like, he's the COO of Did ever hear of Sally's Pizza?

Scott:

They started in New Am

Jamie:

I supposed to?

Scott:

Not necessarily.

Jamie:

Oh, started in New Haven?

Scott:

In New Haven.

Jamie:

Dude, that's no joke pizza.

Scott:

No, no. Yeah, but they've opened

Jamie:

Like that's no joke pizza.

Scott:

They've been getting a lot of money behind it. They have a coal fired oven. Okay. It's legit, but they're in growth mode. Anyway, my buddy was just talking about some of the challenges with younger generations when it's like, you know, all it's electronic communication.

Scott:

His, like, motto, like, whenever he's, like, dealing with people is, like, just pick up the phone and call somebody.

Jamie:

Listen. Don't think he's wrong about that, by the way. He's not wrong about that. He's not wrong about that. But the problem is nobody answers a fucking phone these days.

Scott:

Well, that's a different problem.

Jamie:

That's the issue.

Scott:

You gotta move on

Jamie:

to answer

Scott:

I'm the phone when it with you like that, by the way. My

Jamie:

wife always says, oh, I'll email them, like, just call them.

Scott:

Just call them. Just pay up the phone to call them.

Jamie:

She's like, I'll order online. I'm like, just pay up

Scott:

the So let me ask you a question. Have you called the devils?

Jamie:

No. Dude, you think hey. Can I speak to the head of player personnel?

Scott:

Can I

Jamie:

speak to the senior VP?

Scott:

How else does anyone get in touch with the dude?

Jamie:

I have his email, and I have his text. I have ways to get in touch. The ways that he'll be fine. So it's funny, you it's funny you mentioned Sally's. I do know Sally's.

Jamie:

So I know Modern, I know Frank Pepe's, I know Barre up there, and Sally's is the other one. I do know Sally's. I said I didn't, I do. I'm looking at where it is right now.

Scott:

Yeah, yeah.

Jamie:

So have you been up there, by the way? Yeah. To New Haven?

Scott:

Yeah. My sister went to Yale.

Jamie:

Oh, that's right. So it's funny, we just came off our interview with Doug Christensen, commissioner of ECAC hockey, and I asked him the question about what his favorite rink was.

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

Okay. So, two years ago, I took Dominic up to New Haven to see a Yale Princeton game at Yale.

Scott:

Oh, nice.

Jamie:

The Yale rink is ridiculous. It's awesome.

Scott:

We should go. Let's go. Let's plan a trip.

Jamie:

It's so 100%. When we get off this, we'll look it up. It's so easy to get to, by the way. We went to bar. We had pizza at bar.

Jamie:

They had clam belly pizza, things I didn't think were gonna be good.

Scott:

And they were.

Jamie:

Delicious. The guy next to me got it. I like scoffed at it when I saw it on the menu. And potato pizza, scoffed at them. I'm like, Who the fuck eats that shit?

Jamie:

And then I saw the guy next to me get it, I'm like, Holy shit,

Scott:

that looks I'm gonna get that. So good. I ordered one of each. Do you buy the pie? Yeah.

Scott:

There

Jamie:

were four of us. Nancy and older one were supposed to come, Luke were supposed to come, but Luke got sick, so I took my mother and stepdad.

Scott:

Oh, nice. JM A.

Jamie:

Yeah. JM A. Yeah.

Scott:

But I have to tell

Jamie:

you, Yale's Rink is an architectural wonder. The Whale, it

Scott:

is a

Jamie:

gorgeous building. Yeah, let's go. Like, spectacular.

Scott:

Let's go.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Impressive.

Scott:

Alright. API, athletic performance insight. Eric. What's up, Eric? Yep.

Scott:

Yeah. We have video review this week, we are using, as many of our listeners know, using API for all of our video analytics. Tagged two game, we had a showcase last weekend, we tagged two of those games. Oh, nice. Yeah.

Scott:

And so, getting broken down.

Jamie:

Nice.

Scott:

Video review, go through it, go over all the

Jamie:

That's right. I forgot you guys showcased last weekend.

Scott:

The good and the bad from last weekend, which we can get into.

Jamie:

How did that showcase go actually?

Scott:

But just before we do that, athletic performance insight Yes. Fill out their contact form, get in touch with Eric.

Jamie:

Mention crazy hockey dads.

Scott:

Yep. For a 10% discount. $100 value. There it is. And you he will tag a game and go over the system, and it's never too late to start.

Scott:

So don't hesitate to

Jamie:

reach out Angelo, didn't we?

Scott:

We started

Jamie:

talking about the Devils. Yeah, So, yes, Angelo owns Prostride. He is a very impressive power skater. I recommend his clinics, I recommend his privates. The guy is I mean, he's the New Jersey Devils power skating coach.

Jamie:

Yep. If the New Jersey Devils trust him.

Scott:

So should you.

Jamie:

So should you.

Scott:

There it is.

Jamie:

Just saying. So we're working on getting Angelo CHD10. CHD10 for a discount on Angelo's stuff. We are working on him. That's who I would been in contact with the devils with.

Jamie:

Not easy, but we're working on it.

Scott:

Okay. Well, keep working on it. I am not going to hold my breath.

Jamie:

No, you listen.

Scott:

All right.

Jamie:

I'm with

Scott:

you. Moving on. Yes.

Jamie:

What so how was your how was your showcase weekend?

Scott:

Oh, that was eventful.

Jamie:

Yes. I heard.

Scott:

Yep. So

Jamie:

I did hear

Scott:

this. It it started out

Jamie:

I heard Otto played well.

Scott:

Yeah. No. He played well. Right? Game one.

Scott:

Okay. We had a the the schedule was shit.

Jamie:

Two Saturday, two Sunday.

Scott:

Two Saturday, two Sunday this Saturday.

Jamie:

We have that coming this weekend.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Out in Hershey, PA.

Scott:

I hope your the scheduling of games is better. Our first game was at

Jamie:

I don't think it is.

Scott:

Was at 12:40 in the morning.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

Morning, afternoon. Oh, time for bad. Wasn't until scheduled for 08:10 at night. No. Your times were bad, dude.

Scott:

But then it didn't start until 08:25. Yeah. Like all the kids are exhausted. Like the second game, I don't know when the team we played. Yeah.

Scott:

I don't know when their game was prior. I don't know if they had the same kind of like layover if you will. Yeah. The first game dude, let me tell you something. The first game got super chippy.

Scott:

Like, I can't there were so many penalties and their coach

Jamie:

Mhmm.

Scott:

Was like just completely out of line. I was I was talking to a dad like yelling

Jamie:

at Older this guy?

Scott:

No, younger guy. And when I say out of line, like, okay, so again, we're talking tier This was not a very good tier two team that we played. And not so the kids are not having fun because our team is like, you know, mopping the floor with them a bit.

Jamie:

Yeah. Then the Are guys kids racking them?

Scott:

The kids then skate to the bench and the coach is ripping into them. And then the kids are like, you know, it that trickles down. And now the kids on the ice are body checking. The kids on the ice are like slashing and it's getting chippy. And at at some point It's like they're like away from the play.

Scott:

So far away from the play were those kids tripping our kids Right. That like the refs didn't even see our kids get totally like wasted on him. Really? Totally. And so

Jamie:

There were two refs?

Scott:

There were two refs. Oh, wow. But it was so That's at different. Some point like, you know, I was talking to a dad on along the boards and and we're just looking at the coach, I'm like, God, this guy is such a fucking clown. What is he doing?

Scott:

And the one dad goes to me like, yep, this is when I take Timmy away from this team. Come with me, Timmy. Because there's no way you would want this guy responsible for your children if that's the way he's gonna treat them.

Jamie:

No. If you have a player on that team,

Scott:

you have to make a sucked. Decision as a parent. Then our our coaches

Jamie:

Putting him mildly.

Scott:

Start telling this guy to, like, control his kids because his kids are, like Yeah.

Jamie:

Oh, your coach got into it with him?

Scott:

All three of our coaches ended up getting into it with him.

Jamie:

Oh, okay. Got

Scott:

it. But not not so, like, that's, like, you know, like, bench to bench holler.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. And they listen. You see it all the time. See it in NHL all the time.

Scott:

Yeah. But, I mean, this isn't the NHL, and it's unfortunate that those kids are not at

Jamie:

that level, are you surprised it happens at every other level?

Scott:

No. I'm not. But, like, I guess my point is, like, not that some behavior is ever excusable.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

But the but there is it's not like we're playing super high end triple A and this is a super meaningful game. And the coach is doing whatever he can to get

Jamie:

these

Scott:

kids Double day showcase. It's a double day showcase. And Yeah. You know, the team is not great. And they just should be taking that opportunity to, like, work on things and not like fucking So much easier said than that.

Scott:

Berate the Yeah. Listen, I understand. I agree. But at some point, like you would have to agree at some point, like you just have to kind of say, alright, kids listen, this game is not going in our direction.

Jamie:

Let's work on X.

Scott:

Like like these are the like I just want you to focus on this one thing. Right. Like this is the goal for the game. You know, like, I I just need to see a hard back check from everyone else. I don't care what happens.

Scott:

Just back check hard. Yeah. It's when you're getting the shit kicked out of you

Jamie:

in football, you just gotta you just gotta you work on something. Just work on something. Just take something away from it that you can that you could kinda hang your head

Scott:

on. No. Instead It's

Jamie:

like Rutgers game, the shit kicked out of them by Oregon last past weekend.

Scott:

Yeah. Did that happen? Dude. They got fucking demolished.

Jamie:

Yeah. And then I listened to the post game, and Shiano's like Rutgers had coach, he's like, Yeah. He's like, Yeah, that was a tough one.

Scott:

Yeah. The, the fucking one of the

Jamie:

guys that follows the team for, I don't know, some publication. He's like, So, coach, guys gave up, like, 750 yards total offense. He's like, Are you embarrassed? Chiano's like, I'm not embarrassed. Like, I'm disappointed.

Jamie:

And he's

Scott:

like, 750 yards. He's like,

Jamie:

that doesn't happen. He's like, I don't think you've ever seen that before. Dude, they hung 750 yards of total offense on them.

Scott:

Okay. Well Sorry. No. Sorry.

Jamie:

But my point is is that when shit gets out of hand, you just work on stuff. But what he did say, which this other coach should should say, is he's like, our kids never quit.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

They kept playing even though they were in the shit Well,

Scott:

they didn't quit taking penalties.

Jamie:

Well, listen.

Scott:

So, I mean, in that regard, they didn't quit.

Jamie:

Right. But you gotta work on something.

Scott:

No. There's Take

Jamie:

something away from it that you can build for the future.

Scott:

Listen. You don't have to tell me that, but someone should tell that coach that. I mean, know, and then I was even telling a dad, I was like, you know, and at a certain point, this is like the organization's fault for even letting this guy in the fucking building.

Jamie:

Listen, there has to be some level of accountability. I mean, you're responsible for your coaches, no?

Scott:

You know hockey coaches don't grow on trees though. I can't

Jamie:

believe that fucking guy said that to you, by the way.

Scott:

It's true.

Jamie:

Triple Hockey coaches don't grow on trees

Scott:

and you're like, like, really?

Jamie:

Don't. For fucking 10 year olds? Like, really? Like, stop it right now. But when you say stupid shit like that, like Listen.

Scott:

You play

Jamie:

play stupid games, you win

Scott:

stupid prizes, and they they played that game, and they got a fucking stupid prize winner. Winner chicken dinner. What episode was that? 34? Nah.

Scott:

I don't know.

Jamie:

33?

Scott:

I know. My my memory don't work so good. So 34. Thirty four? Thirty four.

Jamie:

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Scott:

That's the name of it. So getting back to the weekend. Yeah, so we had a first game we won pretty handily. The kids were feeling good. I did not go to the second game.

Scott:

My wife went. And during the second game

Jamie:

That was at a tough time.

Scott:

It was at a tough time. The kids were tired. They were playing golf. They were running around all day, all that nonsense. That's hard.

Scott:

So in any event, no one

Jamie:

We're gonna have that issue too.

Scott:

No one looks great on the ice.

Jamie:

Yeah, that's hard.

Scott:

It was definitely not Otto's best game to say the least. And then, I guess it must have been the third period at some point I'm watching from home on the TV and he was trying to split defensemen And or he ended up going down and the ring kind of went silent. And he's yelling, my knee, my knee. And my stomach just fell. And I was like, oh, fuck, this is going to be bad.

Scott:

Know, because That's hard. That has not been you know, I'm not saying Otto's like the toughest kid in the world, but I'm also he's not like, you know, that was an abnormal reaction. You know what I And, you know so in any event, thankfully, the x rays the following day Yeah. Came back negative. He was back on the ice on Monday but like there was a little bit of a scare for sure.

Scott:

That's Good. Something

Jamie:

I'm glad he's not injured.

Scott:

No. That's But that, know, at the same time, one of the conversations that's come up is, listen, I understand that in the moment you might have fallen in a way you haven't fallen before. So, know, maybe hit a nerve like, you know, It could have hurt in a way that you're not familiar with.

Jamie:

Right. And maybe startled you a little bit.

Scott:

But like, yeah, I don't know. The message which is kind of hard to What I wanted to say was like, listen, only behave that way if you're really fucking hurt. I'm not him, so I don't know how bad it But hurt at the afterwards, was Again, thankfully he was okay. He was back on the ass on Monday. He rested Sunday, so he didn't play in either game

Jamie:

On Sunday.

Scott:

Right. Because we took him to, like, the, urgent care first thing, so that canceled out the first game. Right. He comes home with crutches, which they gave him as, like, an optional Tiny Tim. He needed it.

Scott:

So like, Ari, I guess you're resting today. And then over the course of the day, he started to feel better and whatever.

Jamie:

So maybe he just got spooked.

Scott:

Whatever it is.

Jamie:

Just something that frightened him. It happens.

Scott:

It happens.

Jamie:

It definitely happens. Meanwhile, he normally does not stay down when he goes down, right?

Scott:

No. I mean, listen, when they were much younger, if he got hurt, was it longer to get up. But at a certain point, I'm like, Dude, listen. I think he's gotten used to typical bumps and bruises that don't feel good. Sometimes you block a shot, it really hurts but you just keep on going because like

Jamie:

Yeah, you go.

Scott:

Been there, done that. But in any event

Jamie:

I guess I was saying everybody knows the kid We Were Mites who just goes down and stays down.

Scott:

And stays down.

Jamie:

And doesn't and and the coach has to walk the ice to

Scott:

like go get him. It's kind of an intention.

Jamie:

And then he's back on the ice the next shift. Everybody knows that kid. Yeah. Yeah. Otto's not that kid is

Scott:

what I'm No. There were flashes

Jamie:

of Everybody knows the kid I'm talking about, though. Everybody knows the kid I'm talking about.

Scott:

Yeah? Everybody I guarantee Oh, I thought you were talking about someone. I'm trying

Jamie:

to be like racking my brain No. No. No. I'm saying everybody knows that

Scott:

Everyone's seen that

Jamie:

before. Knows that kid who goes down. There's always not always a kid on your team that does that, but when you're younger

Scott:

Some are some are more prone to,

Jamie:

like Correct. Right. It happens. You know that they go down and they don't get up until the coach comes out.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah. And that hasn't been him.

Jamie:

No. That's my point. Is that it has that's not him. Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. So in any event, so that put an end to his weekend. That's a bummer. And the team ended up getting shellacked twice over on Sunday. Right.

Scott:

And they were certainly outclassed. In any event, was not a stellar weekend for the team at large. And I think that there's they just need to keep working. I don't know what else to say. It's not like Yeah, I understand.

Scott:

Again, the team is made up of kids from seven different programs. There's still learning curve. There's playing with the lines a little bit. But ultimately, I think the kids just need more time playing together. I will say this Still early.

Scott:

To their credit, You know, they they definitely have I've already seen improvements for sure about, like, you know, in terms of team play and moving the puck. I you know, it was it was a low bar to kinda start. Right. But nonetheless, they're getting better. And the teams that are better than us are teams that have been doing it together longer.

Scott:

And so we'll see. I'm still I'm still hopeful that the season will turn around and these kids will start clicking. Okay. Listen. It was a it was a tougher weekend.

Scott:

Alright. Listen. No. I listen.

Jamie:

So this weekend, you guys have games, I'm assuming.

Scott:

Yeah. We got two games. Otto's birthday this weekend. He turns 11.

Jamie:

Oh, wow. Exciting. Yeah. Nice.

Scott:

He's got

Jamie:

a game on his birthday. He does. Gotta throw a hatty in.

Scott:

He's also taking a few friends ice skating earlier in the day.

Jamie:

So There's ice that's not being played on?

Scott:

The American Dream Mall.

Jamie:

Oh, yeah. I gotta tell you, that place, for those of you who are not in our area, the American Dream Mall is basically a copy of the Mall of America.

Scott:

The same people designed it.

Jamie:

That's what I mean.

Scott:

It's the same owner.

Jamie:

Know, so the rink It's

Scott:

also the same as the one in Edmonton. Correct.

Jamie:

The rink is the exact same. That's right. You know, and the fact that that place does not get utilized like it should, the rink I'm talking about.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Few teams play there.

Scott:

Yeah. Don't know. Which is shocking. I've never been there for hockey.

Jamie:

I've been there for clinics. I've never been there for a hockey game. I know there's a handful of clubs in this area that use it as overflow ice. Right. Or clubs that don't have a full sheet to play games on, where they have a smaller studio ish type rink to practice on, but they schedule their games there.

Jamie:

I know St. Peter's Prep, the prep school down in Jersey City uses that as their home ice. But it's a phenomenal facility, but nobody uses it. So when you said that, that makes sense. Because most club teams do not have ice for free skates on Saturday and Sunday.

Jamie:

Not this time of the year.

Scott:

No. So this so we got games this weekend. So Got it. Hopefully, this will be a I don't know. We're playing we're playing.

Scott:

In any event, doesn't matter. But we hopefully, it'll be

Jamie:

But the o man's back.

Scott:

The man is back.

Jamie:

Love it.

Scott:

Yeah. How about you? How was your hockeying weekend?

Jamie:

My hockey weekend was interesting.

Scott:

Was it?

Jamie:

It was. Okay. You know, so Dominic's been in a little bit of a funk recently, where, you know, we're trying to get him to, like, give more effort, especially on defense. Okay. You know what I mean?

Jamie:

And use his body he's definitely in a funk, there's no question about it.

Scott:

Okay.

Jamie:

Has been since early on this season. Still productive, but just a funk. You know what I mean?

Scott:

He's not realizing his best self.

Jamie:

Definitely not. You know, so he he had he was again, he's still productive. Like, he had three points on Saturday, which is fine. And he had a point on Sunday, which, again, also fine. But he didn't shoot the puck on net the entire weekend.

Scott:

Like, didn't have one shot on goal?

Jamie:

He had two breakaways. One on Saturday, one on Sunday.

Scott:

So he had two shots on goal? Right. Two goals? One goal.

Jamie:

He had one goal am I dragging black? He had two. But there were two breakaways. Okay. But he didn't shoot the hockey puck the entire weekend.

Scott:

That, for someone like him, is a sign that he's not as engaged Correct. As he could be. He's definitely a kid that can keep the puck on a stick more Correct. Than most.

Jamie:

And I could tell as soon as he gets the puck on a stick,

Scott:

he probably

Jamie:

leaves a stick. Even if he passes to somebody who's covered with by three people.

Scott:

Well, that's probable. I mean, like moving the puck quickly

Jamie:

in No. This is not that. No. This is It's hot potato. This is moving the hockey puck because I don't want it.

Jamie:

Or I don't feel like I can do anything, so I am getting It's a dip

Scott:

in confidence?

Jamie:

Yeah. Yes. I think there's a major dip in confidence. Which is kind of what brings us to today's episode.

Scott:

Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie:

Right? I mean, don't know what you wanna call today's episode. Do wanna call it like hitting a wall like six weeks in? Don't know what you call it.

Scott:

No, I think it's, you know, when we were talking about what we were going to discuss today, we've both seen, like, we've been around the season long enough to probably see some highs and some lows and kind of just do like a gut check on kind of like where we are, where our kids are, how we've been parenting through this for better or And for then also that's been a direct result of our kids having their highs and lows. And I'll say from the beginning when we did like the the mini camp and the strategies that we talked about in terms of like how to stay calm, follow a friend. I I So much easier said than done, by the Oh, so much easier. So I and I I feel like I still have generally been positive, but there's we've we've had enough games and enough weeks of hockey, and there's some things that have, like, been a have been on repeat that need need to change. And so while I you know, there was I'm patient.

Scott:

In the beginning, there was, patience, and there was, oh, you you'd you kinda just highlight the positive things, overlook some of the negative things.

Jamie:

You're like, oh,

Scott:

let's let's see if this is still a thing in like a month. No Then we'll address it. Yeah. Yeah. So we're starting to address some of that stuff.

Jamie:

Same.

Scott:

And and for me I do. Personally, you know, there's so much energy to skate with the puck and go to the offensive zone. But boy, when we don't have the puck and

Jamie:

we have to

Scott:

get back on defense

Jamie:

It's brutal.

Scott:

So I'll say the two biggest opportunities for Otto Brutal. And and and this is and I touched upon this. I I think one of the things, one for sure, is just his overall stamina. And you know Right. His his because I do think he ends up getting gassed out more quickly than some of his peers.

Jamie:

I get it. I get it.

Scott:

And we okay. Fine. Like not Yeah. And so that that can come with time.

Jamie:

That's not abnormal. Don't think.

Scott:

No. But you know, but the but to that is when he's kinda dragging ass a little bit on the back check, but then when the puck is on his stick and

Jamie:

he just

Scott:

slides the bursts in the other direction.

Jamie:

My kid does the same thing,

Scott:

dude.

Jamie:

You're like, dude, what are you you're like, really? You're like, really? Yeah. Like, so on offense, he's fast. Yeah.

Jamie:

And he's, like, explosive, and on defense, we're just like

Scott:

Yeah. And I'm not saying it's even all the time, but what but there are patterns where it's like it it it weaves itself into the game at various points. And you're just like, we need we're looking for more when I say we, I Consistency. I'm looking for more consistency. Yeah.

Scott:

And I think we all are. And so part of what I'm doing to address that is that he started like on Thursdays, he's doing like a private lesson, which is like in an off ice

Jamie:

Like stamina stuff?

Scott:

So he's doing some like, yeah, he's doing like some speed, strength, agility, endurance work. And then like the other half of that lesson, he's doing some shooting work. So we, you know, we're doing things to address it. Right. But of course, you know, progress takes longer than you Yes, it does.

Scott:

And so it's not like, you know

Jamie:

Yes, it does.

Scott:

Two weeks later, he's gonna be, you know, this like super endurance guy. But we're working on it. So Well, that's good. But but part of the conversation there is like, you know, in the beginning, was just focusing on Mhmm. Like, this is kind of how I started.

Scott:

In the beginning, he got off to a hot start, like, pumped in a bunch of

Jamie:

goals Same with Tom. Early Same.

Scott:

And then and then he's then he wasn't putting as many points up. And so then there was this overall slowing down of things. And when you're not putting as many points on the board, the other Everything kinda creeps in. The negative things start to shine a little brighter. Don't they ever?

Scott:

So then you're like Confidence

Jamie:

starts to wane, and things start to look different, body language starts to look different. So I think And playing time for some people also tends is starting to listen, for the most part, depending on what kind of a competitive team you're on, for the most part, coaches will roll lines for the first month. Right? For the most part.

Scott:

Depends. But sure.

Jamie:

Again, depending on what team you're on. But for I I think that's, you know, a normal thing, especially in, tier two hockey. Mhmm. Right? And even sometimes at triple a hockey, they they roll.

Jamie:

Right? You know? So, you know, I think it's a very real thing now that we're hitting. We're at the two month hockey wall, right?

Scott:

Yeah. I think that's what you recall the episode, two month hockey wall.

Jamie:

Yeah, yeah, right. I think we should. Think you're right about that. Because I think it's exactly what it is, right? So when you hit that hockey wall two months in, I think kids, maybe they're not playing as much as they thought they were going to.

Jamie:

Right? Maybe the coach shortens the bench as maybe they start to play better teams. Right? Or in crunch time when the game gets tight. And I think Or maybe a kid went from single A to double A or double A to triple A, and maybe a realization is starting to set in, Oh, shit.

Scott:

Like the dust has Maybe

Jamie:

I bit off too much like a chew, or players are so much better than I thought they were gonna be, whatever it is, right? And that starts creeping in some these kid's psyches. And then you have the flip side, which you have the parent side. And if a kid's not playing as much. Think you mentioned to me the other day, you know, one of the dads said to you, like, he heard a a dad saying, like, something about playing time like he's gonna kill himself or something.

Jamie:

Made, like, a You know what I mean? He's gonna strangle somebody.

Scott:

It was it was a little bit I don't wanna say it's

Jamie:

a I unique forgot the the exact verbiage that you said,

Scott:

but It it had less it had less to do with the quality of the play on the ice, but the sheer numbers of people On

Jamie:

the bench.

Scott:

Players on the team.

Jamie:

Yeah, yeah, so

Scott:

kids Right. But that's a higher level. They were hedging against probably injury, they're hedging against They're kids going forwards, years. I think that was the number.

Jamie:

Was heavy. I think a lot of those teams have, have have four lines plus, by

Scott:

the way. Yeah. So, you know, because you're gonna end up with, know, some changes at some point.

Jamie:

Yeah. And injuries happen.

Scott:

Right. But, like, for the family that were you know, that's on a team where if they were on another team, maybe they're playing first line minutes and now they're playing third or fourth line minutes. Correct. The parents are just going like bananas.

Jamie:

Right. So it's not just the psyche of the kid.

Scott:

No. Psychic the parents too. Look, you know, but I all Sounds insane, but it is what it is. So it's interesting, because we're both right now going through, I don't want Yeah, like a bit of Maybe a lull or a cooling

Jamie:

off I would say we're going through like a slump.

Scott:

A slump, okay.

Jamie:

Right, if you wanna call it

Scott:

that. Yeah, I would say I wouldn't officially call Otto's situation a

Jamie:

There's a kid on my team who's doing that. Kid on Dobbs' team started off slow, and all of sudden the kid's lighting it up.

Scott:

Get up.

Jamie:

Hatch hatchet the other day.

Scott:

That kid that I that I pointed out in that one game?

Jamie:

Probably. Could be? Probably.

Scott:

Yes.

Jamie:

All all of a sudden, he's starting to light it up. To light

Scott:

it up.

Jamie:

Which is great. So obviously, he's he was uncomfortable at first.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

And now he's clearly getting more comfortable. My kid's the exact opposite.

Scott:

Right. But so let let's like, getting back to anyone that's hitting the wall either now or is going to hit the wall at some point where there's a cooling off period and then all of a sudden when it was seemed like all rosy, you know, colored glasses, now it's a little bit of doom and gloom. So it's like, as a parent, like how are you handling that? And I'll tell you, I went from having more tolerance in the early beginning to having less tolerance and being more direct and saying things a bit more frankly. And you know, it's such an emotion like a part of my issue It's what it is.

Scott:

Part of the issue is some of these things are things that I've been saying for a long time. And yes, over time, have they gotten better? Sure. But do I think that with some of like the positioning stuff, should we be in a much better place? I think so.

Scott:

And I'm tired of saying certain things. And now it's like I get it. C'mon, Broski.

Jamie:

Yeah.

Scott:

Like What are doing? Let's dial this in. You know, it's I'm not I'm not talking about like anything that I'm talking some kind of nuts and bolts stuff.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I had a very similar conversation with Dominic. I'm like, Dom, you didn't shoot the puck all weekend. WTF.

Jamie:

Do you wanna play defense? I'm like, If you wanna play defense, maybe we're ask Coach to move you back on D. And he does not wanna play defense.

Scott:

Right. Has he ever played a shift to defense? One. Only one? Maybe.

Jamie:

He played one game on defense, but he was like, a full ice mite. Oh, really? It did not go well.

Scott:

No. He's still a full ice mite, so how well could it go?

Jamie:

Fair. Fair.

Scott:

Anyway, so I understand. But I guess what I'm maybe using way too many words to kind of drive at is that I also need to get back in touch with some of these like Strategies. Strategies, but my butt there though the is that difference is that now there's been a big enough sample size where some of So the deficiencies need to be now it's not like, you know, wait and like kind of turn a cheek. Now it's like, how am I going to address these without berating my kid? How am I going to address these things without, you know, making like a not a problem, but like,

Jamie:

know. Yeah, making it worse. Just making it worse.

Scott:

Yeah. So what have you been doing? Oh, I'm still trying to figure that out.

Jamie:

Same here.

Scott:

No, I'll tell you what I'm doing. I'm biting my tongue. More than I'd like to. Yes. That might be for the better.

Jamie:

I think it has to be for the better.

Scott:

I'm still not sure. Part of it is I also took matters into my own hands a little

Jamie:

Can't wait to hear this.

Scott:

No, it's with this private lesson that he's taking on Thursdays. Thursday was the one day where he didn't have some sports related And thing going I was like, know what? We're just gonna I'm gonna sign you up. It's not gonna be a question. Do you want to go I to was like, I've just signed you up for the rest of the year.

Jamie:

Have fun. Oh, you said that you signed up for the rest of the year.

Scott:

The rest of the calendar year. And then come January,

Jamie:

we're You're gonna re up it.

Scott:

Re up. Because what we were doing before Crazy

Jamie:

hockey dad incoming.

Scott:

No, so part of it is I've been more direct and I haven't been as patient and he's seen that I've been upset about certain things more so than I was earlier. And now instead of saying, Hey buddy, do you want like letting it be child led and saying, hey dude, you got to like sometimes after you want to go

Jamie:

You're taking the bull by

Scott:

the No,

Jamie:

you're scheduled and now

Scott:

you're going.

Jamie:

What And

Scott:

I did.

Jamie:

All right, listen. Don't have a problem with that.

Scott:

But my concern is that it's going to Does these sessions going come to

Jamie:

he hate

Scott:

it? So I went in the other day to watch him shoot because I got there. Whatever. I went in for the

Jamie:

He's last 10 not skating, right? He's glice

Scott:

not even he could

Jamie:

put on this is a workout?

Scott:

So it's a workout. And he's doing sled pushes He's sled working out for now. He's box jumps. No. He's working out for thirty minutes like in the gym.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

And then he's going over to like the shooting lanes and working on shooting. But he's not in skates.

Jamie:

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. No. Not Because kids should be active regardless.

Scott:

I totally agree. But what I would have told, like, if this was like two months ago, Scott, I would have been like, yeah, you know,

Jamie:

don't want What him to do do? Burn Yeah, what do you want to do?

Scott:

This might be, you know, why don't you think about this? It'll help. And now it's like,

Jamie:

Here we go, motherfucker. We're ramping up.

Scott:

But that goes against I don't wanna say it goes against, but maybe it goes against things I've said earlier.

Jamie:

I mean, listen.

Scott:

I don't know. So that's what I did. I made a decision and that's it.

Jamie:

Listen. I I think kids should be active every day regardless.

Scott:

Well, the thing that I

Jamie:

want I think they should do something every day for an hour.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Something. And if that's what he's doing on Thursday, then you know what? Then that's fine.

Scott:

So this was like Fuck it. Part gym, which is like not hockey specific.

Jamie:

Okay. It doesn't have to.

Scott:

And then the other part is shooting. And like, he likes to do shooting. So I figured that was a good one two punch.

Jamie:

Does he come home and say, dad, I hate this?

Scott:

When I went there the other

Jamie:

day He's probably happy as a pig in shit.

Scott:

Well, he said to me, he goes, the gym is really hard.

Jamie:

Okay.

Scott:

And I was like, I understand that. And I said, dude, listen, I just started going back to the gym in September. And when I started going

Jamie:

It's hard.

Scott:

It was really fucking hard.

Jamie:

Yeah. It's hard. It's supposed to be.

Scott:

But now, now that I've dropped some LBs It's easier. Some more, like, you know Muscle. Regain some muscle strength and all that stuff, I'm like, I'm feeling good in there.

Jamie:

You look marvelous, by

Scott:

the way. Oh, thanks, man. It must be the pink sweatshirt.

Jamie:

A 100%. 100%, dude. That's gotta be.

Scott:

I know it. And this attracts you. Wait, did I just say that?

Jamie:

Yeah, because

Scott:

That's you're weird.

Jamie:

It was weird.

Scott:

That was weird. It was. We may have to

Jamie:

edit that out. We're really not gonna edit that out because we have to leave everything in.

Scott:

But that was a

Jamie:

little strange.

Scott:

A little weird.

Jamie:

It was.

Scott:

I was just curious.

Jamie:

I wanna say something right now, but I'm not going to. But, yeah, we we may need to get listen. If this episode is well, we may need to have you in a pink sweatshirt every time.

Scott:

I don't mind pink.

Jamie:

Don't either,

Scott:

by the way.

Jamie:

I think that men that are comfortable with their sexuality wear pink. I wear pink. I have no problem with pink.

Scott:

Salmon or pink?

Jamie:

Either.

Scott:

Okay. Fair.

Jamie:

I'm down for either.

Scott:

Good.

Jamie:

Nantucket red.

Scott:

Is that a color?

Jamie:

Nantucket red?

Scott:

Yeah. You ever

Jamie:

seen Nantucket red pants?

Scott:

No. You have red pants?

Jamie:

Mean,

Scott:

asked. Said the guy in the pink sweatshirt. You've got red pants. Fucking weirdo. Judging.

Scott:

You're like, you

Jamie:

have a fucking red What's wrong

Scott:

with you, red pants? Right? I'm the guy with the pink sweatshirt.

Jamie:

That was phenomenal. Dude, that has to go on Instagram. Has to.

Scott:

Oh, wow. Okay.

Jamie:

We have to clip that shit

Scott:

and put it on Instagram. Can fucking figure out how to clip it.

Jamie:

Yeah. That's a whole another story. Yeah. Can It's actually not yeah. Yeah.

Scott:

Yeah. It's another story.

Jamie:

It's actually not as terrible as I thought it was. But, but, yeah. Where the

Scott:

fuck is not as easy as you want it to be either.

Jamie:

No. But it's easier.

Scott:

Yeah. No. No. No doubt.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile, how did we get on, like, pink sweatshirts and shit like that? Where where were we before this?

Jamie:

Oh, you were talking about Otto, how you how Otto's doing the gym thing.

Scott:

Yeah. So and, anyway, he said it was hard. And I was just saying He said it hard. Right. And, like, you'll get used to it.

Scott:

And, like, he hasn't done a lot of gym work before. Like, they're over the spring, he would do this, like, gym class, and then it was in the same facility. It was, like, six

Jamie:

Right. Right. Right.

Scott:

It was, like, 45 gym, 45, like, stick handling and shooting.

Jamie:

More hockey based.

Scott:

But it was a group thing. So there was, you

Jamie:

know Oh, this is not a group thing?

Scott:

No. This is, like, one on one.

Jamie:

Oh, he's doing, a private

Scott:

He's doing a private. Oh.

Jamie:

So I didn't realize that. I thought it a group.

Scott:

Okay. How it's, like Got it. There's there's less, like, opportunity to hide, less opportunity to Yeah. There's not a group.

Jamie:

Oh, okay. I didn't realize that. Thought you were

Scott:

in a class.

Jamie:

You're not in a class.

Scott:

Not in a class.

Jamie:

Oh, okay.

Scott:

No. I have no problem

Jamie:

with that,

Scott:

by way. Just the auto man.

Jamie:

Listen, I have no problem with that. I think Dominic goes to a school where they work out every day.

Scott:

Well, you know, I

Jamie:

have no problem with with with that. No. Think they should.

Scott:

And so and and again, this is something like working out in the gym is is something that's

Jamie:

a hockey specific thing. I mean,

Scott:

they're doing hockey specific work but going to the gym and getting familiar in that environment. No. And then he shoots a puck for thirty minutes. Like, I don't know.

Jamie:

No. That's I think that's that that's a home run. You know? In my in my opinion,

Scott:

I don't think you're doing too much. Right. It should

Jamie:

I honestly don't.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Again, they should be doing something every day, whether it's jiu jitsu or boxing

Scott:

or running or something. Look. So at this point, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, he's on the ice with his team. Right. Tuesday morning, he goes to a semi private on the ice before school.

Scott:

Right. And then now Thursday after school, he does thirty minutes gym, thirty minutes shooting. And the games on the weekends. So he'll be doing a hockey specific something seven days a week.

Jamie:

Okay. But it's also like good, you know, it's also good for cardio. It's also good for explosion. It's also good

Scott:

for working.

Jamie:

Again, he's not sitting on the couch eating bonbons.

Scott:

I understand that. But but the the You know? My my one butt is that, like, the idea of burnout. And I don't know if my current formula is

Jamie:

You'll know.

Scott:

You know what keeps me

Jamie:

He's fucking 11, dude. He's not even 11. He's

Scott:

got plenty of time with his friends. Not void of social life. He's not of other things.

Jamie:

As long as he's doing and he's social and he's out there, you're fine. It's not like you're bringing up a skate in the morning and a skate in the afternoon

Scott:

No, every but that would be nice.

Jamie:

It's funny. As I was saying it, I'm like, man, this is a great fucking idea.

Scott:

I'm like, where can I get ice in the morning? Wow.

Jamie:

It's fucking awful, isn't it?

Scott:

It is.

Jamie:

So But, yeah. But and I think that you can so speaking of burnout, or slumping or something like that, I think one of the ways to tell that your kid is having a problem, right, is maybe production goes down or the body language is huge. Huge. I don't know about your kid, but my kid, his body language tells me everything I need to know. The shoulders go down, the head goes down, the stick is in one hand, and then when he comes to the bench, he shakes his head.

Jamie:

He always shakes his head when he goes to the bench. And the stick slam, not the stick slam, but the stick it used to be a stick slam, now it's like a stick, like, bounce. Yeah, because he's trying to hide it, but he can't. So it's not a slam, it's now like You know how they do the stick tap? Something It's a one time stick tap.

Jamie:

And it's not for celebrating anything. Okay. Body language is huge. You'll notice really quickly if your kid's having a problem.

Scott:

Okay. So now, how are you handling it? Not well. Dude, we're open and honest here. Not well.

Scott:

Do tell. Not well.

Jamie:

You know, so, alright. So, my problem is

Scott:

I'm getting comfortable.

Jamie:

Because I'm gonna be here for a while?

Scott:

I'm gonna call up for a refreshment. Seriously.

Jamie:

My thing is, and this is just a life skill, this is not hockey.

Scott:

Yeah. My thing and We may be here for a while. No, I'm gonna try give the Cliff Notes version of it. Cliff Notes are old.

Jamie:

Seriously.

Scott:

What

Jamie:

is it

Scott:

these days?

Jamie:

Just chat GPT shit? Chat GPT. Just chat GPT shit. Yeah, listen, that makes sense. Meanwhile, that's phenomenal.

Jamie:

AI is so good.

Scott:

For some things.

Jamie:

I speak to people that like, use AI every day.

Scott:

Day.

Jamie:

They're like, really? I'm like, why not?

Scott:

It's helpful. For certain things, it's helpful.

Jamie:

My god.

Scott:

Certain things, many Okay, go.

Jamie:

So,

Scott:

my child, a big I don't wanna say bone of contention.

Jamie:

A big thing of mine is I don't like when he quits.

Scott:

Reasonable.

Jamie:

Matter of fact, I think Doug touched on that last episode, no? He quitters. Right. He was watching the Olympics with his daughter, I wanna say, and she said, don't quit. Yep.

Jamie:

Right? And he looked at his daughter and he's like, Hey, did you hear that? Yep. You don't quit. Right?

Jamie:

So, so that's been a big thing of mine for a very long time. Because my child, ever since he's two and three, Yeah. Right? When things get hard, he tends to shut it down.

Scott:

But can I interrupt you for a second? Sure. So real life example. Yeah. As an adult.

Scott:

Yeah. So I've been going to F45, which is like a gym franchise.

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

And they're like timed, like you're timed at each station. Yeah. So this

Jamie:

For forty five seconds?

Scott:

Depends on what the scheme Okay.

Jamie:

Figured that was the 45 part.

Scott:

The point, no. No, no, no. Got it. Sometimes, no, don't even know if it's ever 45. No, That's I not the even point.

Scott:

Point is I don't want it. But when the when I'm doing something that's difficult and I'm starting to like lose strength or the Lord and it starts to count down.

Jamie:

Shut it down?

Scott:

I I might I tell myself Don't fucking shut it down. I I have to go all the way through the last seconds. The number of times this morning where I stopped at like when there was like three seconds, four seconds.

Jamie:

You stopped a lot?

Scott:

Well, some of the stuff, my muscles were getting, like, really fucking tired.

Jamie:

You stopped?

Scott:

Well, hold on. Let's back over. Listen. Yeah. I cannot here, I'll take a this is like so doing Fucking buzzies.

Scott:

I did. I I did it multiple times. I didn't go through until

Jamie:

Dude, it's not acceptable.

Scott:

Well, listen

Jamie:

The next time you go, you gotta fix that.

Scott:

I understand that. Yeah. There's some things where I physically have to stop because I don't

Jamie:

Doesn't matter. You have to go. No matter. It doesn't matter. Even if you don't get the weight up, have to do it.

Scott:

So I Until the buzzer goes. Okay. Well, so listen. I know. But all I'm saying is as an adult, I need to put my money where my mouth is.

Scott:

Is that the expression?

Jamie:

Yes. I'm I'm doing the same thing. When I when I am getting out of the shower in the morning Yeah. I turn I I I put shampoo in my hair and I will lather myself up. Not wearing a pink sweatshirt, by the way.

Scott:

Why would you wear that? This is weird.

Jamie:

Well, because I'm saying lather it up, and it doesn't sound

Scott:

too good. No. Like your pink sweatshirt comment didn't sound too good. Well, I don't know where you're going with putting shampoo in your hair and lathering things.

Jamie:

The idea is is you you make alright. So there's this dude. His name's Wim Hof? Yes. Fuck, dude.

Scott:

See, I fucking know.

Jamie:

You knew exactly what I was gonna say.

Scott:

Exactly where you're going.

Jamie:

So you know the iceman book?

Scott:

I have the app, son.

Jamie:

Oh, so you know oh, we both have it. Nice. Alright. So you know where I'm going with this. Yeah.

Jamie:

So for you guys that don't know Wim Hof, Wim Hof is the he's the He's a

Scott:

fuck We should get him on the podcast. Dude, we should. Wim Hof.

Jamie:

That's a fucking phenomenal idea by you. I I need to when you and I get off, I need write

Scott:

that down. Yeah. Why don't you work on that too, buddy?

Jamie:

Fuck off. Anyway so

Scott:

so You're gonna he's gonna take a you're gonna write him in, like, a letter, a pen pal. Dear whim. Dear mister Hoff, I am writing you today from the Crazy Hockey Dads podcast.

Jamie:

In The United States. Yes. Is he in Sweden? What

Scott:

the

Jamie:

fuck is he? I don't know. I'm not sure where he is. But my point is, so those of you who don't know Wim Hof, Wim Hof is the ice man. So when he was very young, was bit into yoga and stuff like that.

Jamie:

But if you want a cool book, is it Iceman?

Scott:

I don't know the book.

Jamie:

What's his new book? I think it's Iceman. But anyway, so the Wim Hof book, so you guys who don't know, he takes major ice baths.

Scott:

Swims in frozen lakes. He would

Jamie:

dip in frozen lakes. The guy is ridiculous. He's big on breathing techniques, which Dominic and I have gone over, just to reset your brain, just to slow your heart rate down when things aren't going well. So we've done a lot of WHIM's techniques. Where was I going with this?

Jamie:

Was I because you

Scott:

were talking about showering and gathering yourself.

Jamie:

That's right. So he has a thing where he says, put soap all over your body and shampoo in your hair and turn the cold water all the way up and the warm water all the way down

Scott:

and

Jamie:

fucking deal with it. Until you're done. Until you have nothing on you, no shampoo in your hair, no soap on your body, and do that. And it's funny, I first one of his last books are called The Iceman. I don't think it's his last book.

Jamie:

Well, I think Iceman was in 2015. But the point is his stuff is very good. But he practices mind over matter and doing hard things. Sitting in an ice bath is hard. That's uncomfortable.

Jamie:

Dude, turning the shower to cold

Scott:

I do that.

Jamie:

I do, too. So I do it every time now. And I tell Dominic all the I'm Dude, I'm like, You need to do hard things. Yeah. Every day.

Jamie:

Because that's how you get comfortable with them. Right? So I kind of got off topic a little bit, but the problem with my child he doesn't like to do hard things. They're uncomfortable for him. Right?

Jamie:

So I'm trying to teach him to do hard things and not to shut it down when things get hard. Because he likes to shut it down when things get hard because it's easier.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

Right? And listen, he has ADHD and ADHD is kind of part of it, so there's a whole other of Layer? Arm to it that we have to deal with, right? Because that's just kind of how the ADHD kid works. They just shut it down when things get different because they get frustrated.

Jamie:

Right? So that's part of it.

Scott:

Is that really I mean, like Yeah. 100%. So than the normal human being? Yeah. Not that Dom's abnormal, but like the non ADHD person.

Jamie:

He's got ADHD. He's got something that not everybody has.

Scott:

No. No. No. I understand.

Jamie:

So it's a it's a Yes.

Scott:

But but I feel like that that's like, like a human condition. It's not Not for everybody. For some less so. Right?

Jamie:

Some Right. Spectrum.

Scott:

Yeah. And you're just saying ADHD Yes. ADHD, the brain,

Jamie:

it gravitates toward the easy path. The flight as opposed to fight? Correct. Which why, know, it's been a fight since he's whatever age to brush your teeth the right way, to put your sneakers on the right way.

Scott:

I think I have ADHD based on this.

Jamie:

So I have ADHD. Had it since I was a kid, yeah. I never took anything for it. But even, dude, and the fucking iPhone

Scott:

It's awful

Jamie:

for people with

Scott:

ADHD. So let's get back to

Jamie:

Yeah. Sorry. Dominik is having a rough go right now. So we're dealing with we're trying to deal with so his confidence is down. Having a tough time.

Jamie:

Again, still productive.

Scott:

So then let's get back to the parenting part of it.

Jamie:

So I'm having a hard time with him shutting down. I don't like the fact that he quits. That bothers me. When mails it in, I don't like that.

Scott:

Okay. Makes sense.

Jamie:

I tell him, dude, I don't care if you score.

Scott:

I don't care

Jamie:

about any of that. You just can't

Scott:

stop. Okay. How you addressing it?

Jamie:

By taking everything that he has away from him. Isn't that how everybody does it? I mean, he's sleeping in the hallway. I'm joking. He's not sleeping in the hallway.

Scott:

He's just in the cage next to his

Jamie:

No, stop it. I'm not saying I'm doing the right thing, but I'm So we're getting very strict with video games. I was never

Scott:

There are consequences. Like, in to distill it, it's there are consequences.

Jamie:

And listen. I I don't know if that's the right if it's the right way to deal with it. We're gonna try it. If it doesn't work, we'll

Scott:

Try something else. I think but that's also reasonable. Mean I

Jamie:

think so.

Scott:

Like, you know, I'm right. Yeah, trying different strategies and seeing what works.

Jamie:

So it's funny I say What

Scott:

are laughing? So it's funny

Jamie:

I see he's sleeping in the hallway. He's not technically sleeping in the hallway. He sleeps in his room, but he's not allowed in his room during the day. And he's not allowed in the playroom during the day.

Scott:

Right.

Jamie:

So he's been doing it like so he does push ups and squats and everything every day. Because he says he wants to play college hockey, that's what he wants to do. So he just does them, right? Which is great.

Scott:

That's doing something hard, no?

Jamie:

I'm not sure how I mean, listen. Is it hard? Is it hard to do 100% a day? I don't think it's hard. Just time consuming.

Jamie:

I don't think it's hard.

Scott:

I think there's plenty of children out there that wouldn't even touch that with a 100 foot pole.

Jamie:

Okay. I don't think that's hard.

Scott:

Okay. But now we're talking about standards and blah, blah, blah. But I think for any young kid to be disciplined enough to do that every day to disciplined in terms of achieving goals. Doing certain things. Okay.

Scott:

So that should

Jamie:

be that's great. Listen, I give him a lot of credit for that. He does that, he shoots Okay, hockey good. Yeah. No, I'll 100% give him credit for that.

Jamie:

He's dialed in in school, which I'm thrilled about. He's trying really hard in school. It's for whatever reason, on the ice, when things get difficult, he just it's like back checking.

Scott:

You know

Jamie:

what I mean?

Scott:

Like you said you were

Jamie:

just saying before about Otto. You know, they try really hard when they have the puck on their stick. You know, like Dominik will try to make a move around somebody, and the defender will slap the puck away from him and go into the corner, and he'll shut it down. I'm like, Dude, why aren't you going after that? I'm like, Play's not over.

Jamie:

Like, it's still going. It's not like the whistleblow. You gotta keep going. So listen, he's still immature and he's still young, so maybe it's a learning curve, maybe he has to figure it out. Maybe we're not there yet.

Jamie:

We were just talking about the magical yet. Maybe we're

Scott:

just not there yet. Or just the progress is not linear.

Jamie:

Right. But I don't like the quitting part. That bothers me. That bothers me to know him because that's a life thing.

Scott:

Okay, but still Right?

Jamie:

Like you can't quit when things get hard, like when you're working or when you're married or when you're, you know, because shit gets hard in life.

Scott:

Things get hard, but so then you dive into the arena of coping mechanisms and what are the tools you're going to use when things get hard. Yeah.

Jamie:

We've talked about a lot of that stuff.

Scott:

So that's what we would tell our kids all the time, not Start sports breathing like Wim Hof. It's like Go to an ice bath. It's not the I'm losing my train of thought. We say, your feelings, it's okay to feel whatever feelings do, but it's like what you do with them. True.

Scott:

You know what I mean? It's like if you're gonna be angry and you're gonna be unproductive with that and just

Jamie:

Well, that's the thing.

Scott:

Hit your sister That's what he does.

Jamie:

He gets angry.

Scott:

That's not okay.

Jamie:

And nothing ever changes. So he's on this hamster wheel. He's on this hamster wheel and it's funny, I told him, I was bringing the school the other day, I'm like, Dude, do you know what you do to yourself? I'm like, You don't go full bore out there, so things don't go well for you. Right?

Jamie:

You're not going full tilt, so you're not getting the production that you want.

Scott:

Right. And it's like a negative feedback loop.

Jamie:

And then you're getting angry at yourself. I go, You're literally taking a knife and stabbing yourself

Scott:

Negative in the feedback loop.

Jamie:

Are Right? You seeing that circle here?

Scott:

Does it make sense? Does it make sense to him?

Jamie:

He gets

Scott:

it. But in the moment, it's difficult.

Jamie:

In the moment, for whatever reason, he can't get out of the hamster wheel.

Scott:

So to that end, it's like learning tools that are going to help you get out of it.

Jamie:

Yeah. So we've been working on it. Not sure what kind of success we've been having, but we're working on

Scott:

it. Let me It's tough. Ask you

Jamie:

a hard thing.

Scott:

Let me ask you this question.

Jamie:

And it'll take some time.

Scott:

Okay. So what's a reasonable timeline look like for him to what you to see in order for it to start to feel successful?

Jamie:

So, I mean, if he doesn't have at least 15 points this weekend, I'm sending him to boarding school. I'm just kidding. No, listen, I don't have a timeline. I'm not sure what the

Scott:

answer is. So it could be a

Jamie:

long I don't have like a I think it's gonna take some time. This happened two years ago when we were at the Rockets, and he was on a major downward spiral. I see it. I've seen this before. I just hope it doesn't go like last time when.

Scott:

Okay. But that's something you can say, like, listen. Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. We're working on it so it doesn't happen.

Scott:

What I think about sometimes, and when you ask about the time horizon, it's a good question. What I've I seen thought so. Well, yes, good job. Is that some of the changes in Otto's game that we've seen some great improvement, I feel like I can't necessarily put a timeline on some of this stuff. I think what I just need to do is continue to reinforce what the right actions or the right behaviors are Agreed.

Scott:

Without totally making it demoralizing. Yes. And it needs to be productive. And I think with time, however long his hockey journey is going to be, as long as I continue to give him appropriate feedback that is also actionable, you know, where he's like

Jamie:

Right.

Scott:

You know, at some point, he'll take complete ownership for it or not. But I don't think I'm not gonna say, listen, by the end of the season, he better be, you know Right. Whatever. But, you know, I wanna see over time, you know, changes and some things will probably happen quickly. Right.

Scott:

Some things will happen more slowly. Right. And I just need to look if there's anything that was like super egregious that like no one else was doing, I'd be like, dude, listen, you really have to take a hard look at this like right now. You know? I don't think I have one of those things right now.

Scott:

Yeah. So for me I

Jamie:

don't think I do either.

Scott:

So for the timeline, it's like, you know, what am I hoping? So this is what I'm hoping for. Like there's something like when on his back check, you know, sometimes he like gets into this posture that's a little unorthodox. I know what that looks like. What I think about honestly is that like he like gets into this posture that kind of signals that And I'm therefore, oh, look, he's

Jamie:

What does he look like, by the way? I'm curious. Can you describe that?

Scott:

So when he's back checking something, it's like this

Jamie:

I guarantee our listeners see that shit too.

Scott:

I don't know. It's really interesting.

Jamie:

Dominic's was interesting a couple years ago. What does Otto look

Scott:

like? So it's like it's like this as opposed to kind of like skating with like, you know, your chest up and you know, or like, know, just kind of like

Jamie:

Bent over at the

Scott:

waist. It's more of like this like bent over at this waist and like he kinda he tucks his hand into like his side a little bit.

Jamie:

You said something like that.

Scott:

And I haven't seen it before this year.

Jamie:

Dominic did the bend in waistband a couple years ago.

Scott:

And it looks like he's super tired.

Jamie:

Or mailing it in. Not sure which one.

Scott:

And again, it's not all the time. And so I point out to him when he's not doing that. When he's not doing that.

Jamie:

Say, look. Job here.

Scott:

Yeah, you didn't But I've also showed him when he does it. I'm

Jamie:

sure you have.

Scott:

But you know what was super funny? When was watching the games because he didn't play on Sunday.

Jamie:

Oh, right.

Scott:

And he was noticing things that are like, Oh, that was a mistake. Oh, that was a mistake.

Jamie:

Because he's looking at it from a totally different perspective.

Scott:

I'm like, This is why we look the video buddy. Because he's seeing things the way that you or I would see it. And he's like, it was a little enlightening for him. I've gone over video Done with him with just started doing that. When watched video in the past, it's just like of his shifts and were dialed in on him.

Jamie:

Now he's watching the whole game.

Scott:

But now he's watching his team's game and it's like a slightly different perspective. Very few times has he not played in one of the two games. So it's not like this is happening often. Right. So that that was an interesting thing, which I will use when Right.

Scott:

I'll say, listen, dude, you know, when you were watching your team's game and you noticed some things from that perspective,

Jamie:

I'm like,

Scott:

let's look at more videos so you can get a better handle on the things that you could improve on.

Jamie:

And I think from the parents' perspective, I think you need to not, like you said before, not drill your kid after the game. I think you need to keep

Scott:

Have you been doing that?

Jamie:

No, I haven't. No. No. I haven't. No, not really.

Jamie:

No. I mean, he asked me how he did one day, I wasn't gonna say anything to him. And I'm like, You tell me about it. What do you think that your

Scott:

Yeah, that was good.

Jamie:

Your effort level

Scott:

That was good on you.

Jamie:

And then went home and he watched. Yeah. And he actually wrote down each period what his

Scott:

Wait, effort did level that something he wanted to do or you told him to do?

Jamie:

Well, said to him, I said, Listen, said, If you have fifteen, twenty minutes, why don't you go watch your shifts? And and then let me hear your thoughts. Yeah. So he wrote down. He he was like, two four two zero.

Scott:

Out of five?

Jamie:

No. Out of 10. Oh. Four two zero. First period, second period, third period.

Jamie:

I was like, okay.

Scott:

Well, you said it, not me. Those are your words.

Jamie:

Yep. So he's like, what do you think? I'm like, doesn't matter what I think. I probably would not have

Scott:

been so harsh, but I don't think he was far off. Right.

Jamie:

Right? But as a parent, think you need to keep in perspective, it's a long season. Right? They're still only in October. Right?

Jamie:

We got ways to

Scott:

go here. Yeah, there's plenty of time. But so part of it, this episode specifically, Yeah. Is just to, like, to kinda do, this, like, you know, reflection early on. Yeah.

Scott:

And see, like, you know, where where how how have you been parenting? How how you know, like, and are are you are you personally making progress? I can say for sure that I Sounds like you are. I for sure have, 100%.

Jamie:

That's great.

Scott:

But at the same time, we're talking about certain things because there's not necessarily a right or wrong answer. It's just trying things on for size, see if it works. And just by talking about it is helpful to just get It stuff off the chest and

Jamie:

is helpful, by the way. I think that's true. I think that it helps to talk about the mental side of your kid's psyche, right? And see how they are doing and talk to them and try They to say things to you, but you can kind of also read through the lines a little bit.

Scott:

Yeah. And they also don't tell parents. They tell different parents different things.

Jamie:

Oh, dude. Dominic tells Nancy so much more than he tells me. He gives me the short, know, short tough guy version and Nancy gets all the sappy shit. You know what mean? He'll cry to Nancy, he won't cry to me.

Scott:

Yeah. Because

Jamie:

he knows he's struggling. So at night, he's got tears in his eyes, when she's like, Put him in bed. So as a parent, that's hard to see. Especially when it's self inflicted. Is that why you tell

Scott:

him there's no crying in baseball?

Jamie:

There's no crying in baseball. Or ice hockey.

Scott:

Or any other sport for that matter.

Jamie:

I will say this, Dominic does not cry on the bench.

Scott:

You know? But I know a lot of kids that do.

Jamie:

Yeah. Even still at this age, which is fucking insane. Like, bantam first year bantams?

Scott:

You're not supposed to be crying first year bantams. Unless you're, like, have a broken

Jamie:

Unless you're injured.

Scott:

Injured. Yeah.

Jamie:

Right? Like, you're not supposed be crying in bantams. You're not allowed to do that.

Scott:

They're children, Jamie.

Jamie:

Still, where does that stop? You know what I'm saying? Like, shit.

Scott:

I don't know. Do you remember crying when you were 14, 13, 15? Not playing hockey.

Jamie:

Yeah. I

Scott:

don't know. Who the fuck knows?

Jamie:

But, yeah, but I

Scott:

think My my all my all my emotion got directed into the form of rage. That's what happened with me. It's like a rage monster.

Jamie:

Were the rage monster.

Scott:

Totally rage monster.

Jamie:

That's true. Yeah, that's very appropriate. You're not wrong about that. I wonder if Otto will be a rage monster junior.

Scott:

I don't know. He's had I I don't don't think think he'll so. Be as aggressive as I was but he's definitely shown flashes of like you know what he did that I was super proud of? Speaking of rage monster ing? So in that chippy game

Jamie:

Speaking of rage monster ing?

Scott:

In that first game of the showcase, he got checked from behind. Right. It have been like a cross check, that, or whatever. That's what got. He got knocked over from behind, and the kid started skating away.

Scott:

And Otto gets up and starts like full speed skating after the kid. I thought, aw.

Jamie:

He went after him?

Scott:

At the last moment, he fucking pulled up. Like, Everyone just thought he was going to clot. I was standing next to two parents. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were like, dude, I thought he was going to clobber him.

Scott:

And he pulled up. He pulled up and didn't do it. And I was like, my man.

Jamie:

All right, listen.

Scott:

Because one of his teammates in the That's good. One of his teammates not too much earlier, he'd gotten body checked and drew a penalty. Yeah. But the whistle had blown and the kid then decided to trip the kid that had, like, body checked him. So it was, like, offset.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right.

Scott:

But no, my man pulled up. In times past, he would have two handed somebody.

Jamie:

He would have. Yeah. Well, that's you didn't mention that to me. So alright. So as he's getting more mature and stuff like that, he realizes that, you know, that's that's good.

Scott:

Yeah. Totally. Nothing wrong

Jamie:

with that. No. He'll be ready for bantams in no time.

Scott:

Maybe.

Jamie:

You know? Was he a first year peewee? Yeah. It's crazy. It's like you almost can't even remember when you're a first year Pewy.

Jamie:

It's funny, I was talking to Alex Kim, who we're gonna have on our show, on the way here. And Alex was mentioning

Scott:

And who's Alex Kim, for those that don't know him?

Jamie:

So Alex Kim is a coach for the Anaheim Junior Ducks in California. He played very high level hockey, he has been around the game at the older age he played overseas, he played I mean, he's got have a nice And accomplished. Yes, a nice resume. So Alex, I was talking on the way here, we're setting up an interview with him for next week, he happened to mention, while we were just kinda chatting, he happened to mention about, know, where was I going with this? Lost my train of thought because you're telling me that on a time crunch.

Jamie:

Where was I going with this? Help me out. I lost my train of

Scott:

thought. What the

Jamie:

fuck are we talking about? I got it. I that was your son's a first year Pee

Scott:

Wee.

Jamie:

So Alex was saying, so he coaches older kids and he has a twenty fifteen. Right? So he was commenting in the car, he's like, I keep telling the parents of my you 16 kids, oh, you have plenty of time. You have a long road in front you, there's a lot of time here. And then he's like, and I have a twenty fifteen.

Jamie:

He's like,

Scott:

but the road goes quick.

Jamie:

You know? So he's like, I'm telling parents, listen, you have plenty of time. Like, no worries. Yeah,

Scott:

you're 16? He says Yeah. They've

Jamie:

That's what I said. Was like, oh, shit, really? I'm like, you're sixteenth time? Like, wouldn't have thought that. I wouldn't have, but he said it was quick is my point.

Jamie:

So Alex is gonna come on. We're gonna interview him next week. He's gonna come on soon. Alex, again, very accomplished guy. He's got stories from

Scott:

the things.

Jamie:

He's very excited to come on.

Scott:

That's awesome, man.

Jamie:

Yeah, so he's gonna be a wealth of information.

Scott:

Sweet, And I'm looking forward to it.

Jamie:

Very high level hockey out in California. A matter of fact, he's leaving for one of the Dakotas tomorrow morning, want say. He's going to Sioux Falls South Dakota. South Dakota, yeah. So yeah, no, that's coming soon.

Jamie:

We have a lot of cool stuff for you guys.

Scott:

A lot of cool stuff. It's going be great.

Jamie:

Yeah, we have some sick interviews.

Scott:

All right.

Jamie:

Sick

Scott:

interviews. So listen, let's wrap it up. But I guess just like the takeaway from this episode is parents, just like, if you haven't already, just do a gut check. Reflect on kind of where things are going. Know that the progress, the journey is not linear.

Scott:

There's going to be highs and lows. And Good perhaps before you're about to lose your mind, take that deep breath. Because what you might lose your mind over today might be fixed tomorrow. Maybe it's not going be until the end of the year. Yeah.

Scott:

Whatever the case might be. But I think for me, trying to keep my cool is something that's been challenging.

Jamie:

Not easy.

Scott:

Nope. Simple well, I wouldn't even say it's simple. But like Simple but difficult? Yeah. But I mean, think at least for my kid personally everyone's kid is different.

Scott:

For him personally, me just freaking out on him is not going to move the needle in the right direction.

Jamie:

No. I don't think it is for me either, by the way.

Scott:

Yeah.

Jamie:

You know? Unfortunately. I would have loved it if if it did move the needle because then you

Scott:

have a solution. But you if you just freak

Jamie:

out your kid and the kid's like, okay. No worries. He just goes and does it. They're like, oh, shit. I'm sure there's some people that do that, by the way.

Jamie:

I'm sure there's dads that just scream at the kid, the kid's like, roger that, dad. Good to go. You know? He's like, got it. And then goes and fixes it next game.

Jamie:

That's like phenomenal. That's probably like

Scott:

the block. Dude, you don't even have to get to the rage part.

Jamie:

Dude, his kid is so squared away. It's fucking bananas. So, before we leave, I wanna mention to everybody, if you guys like what we're saying here, can you guys go and leave us a review? Reviews are impossible to get.

Scott:

Yeah, not easy,

Jamie:

All reviews are good, but they're like, it's impossible to actually get people to go do them. Yeah. Which I get, because people are busy and shit like that. But if you guys like what you hear, you like the content we're putting out, go leave a review for us on Spotify, on Apple, on Audible, on whatever you listen to us You know, it definitely helps out the algorithm. We're growing very nicely, but it can always be more.

Scott:

Yeah, listen, any little bit helps.

Jamie:

Yes, it does. That is true. But yeah, so this dude, good episode. Yeah, man. Yeah, and then we have a ton of cool shit lined up in the future.

Scott:

That's right. You've got some good interviews So many cool things.

Jamie:

Next couple of weeks are going to be very cool.

Scott:

Let's go. Giddy up, sir. Look forward to it, dude. All right, homeboy. Good episode.

Jamie:

All you too. I'll talk to later.

Scott:

See you, bud.