Our B2B SaaS Journey

In this episode, Mitchell and Gavin celebrate a hugely positive WPFG demo, race to get the new app through Apple and Google review, unpack why SixSides’ customer-first culture is getting noticed, and wrestle with HubSpot pricing, a non-paying client, release automation, translations, and a new way of giving developers more ownership.

Chapters
  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (02:29) - WPFG demo feedback
  • (04:17) - The final stretch for WPFG phase one
  • (11:31) - App Store assets and a new SixSides look
  • (12:59) - Our culture is shining through
  • (14:36) - Automating the release process
  • (17:14) - The HubSpot pricing surprise
  • (20:34) - A hard client decision
  • (22:59) - Chat, translations and giving developers more ownership
  • (30:44) - Landing page progress and Gavin’s massive ride

In this episode, we cover:
  • The overwhelmingly positive feedback from the latest WPFG app demo
  • Replacing the need to manage 64 individual Facebook groups for sporting communities
  • Getting the WPFG app through Apple App Store and Google Play review
  • Managing TestFlight, external testers and beta feedback before launch
  • The final polish required before rolling the app out to thousands of athletes
  • Creating better App Store and Play Store assets for WPFG and SixSides
  • Why SixSides’ customer-first culture is becoming a competitive advantage
  • Using Claude to improve and automate the mobile app release process
  • Managing multiple branded mobile apps from a single codebase
  • The unexpected cost of HubSpot marketing contacts and whether the deal still makes sense
  • What to do when a client keeps using your SaaS but stops communicating or paying
  • Prototyping real-time chat and translation features for events
  • Using AWS translation APIs and exploring on-device language models
  • Giving developers outcome-based projects instead of tightly scoped tickets
  • Preparing the development team to work independently while Mitchell is away
  • Early progress on the redesigned SixSides landing page
  • Gavin’s underprepared 70 km training ride ahead of a 100 km event
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Creators and Guests

Host
Gavin Tye
Sales and Marketing and Co-Founder of SixSides
Host
Mitchell Davis
Developer and Co-Founder of SixSides

What is Our B2B SaaS Journey?

Join the SixSides.co team as we navigate the highs and lows of building a B2B SaaS company. From finding product-market fit to scaling sales and community-driven growth, we share real insights, tough lessons, and candid conversations about what it really takes to grow a successful SaaS business. Whether you're a founder, marketer, developer, or just SaaS-curious, this is your backstage pass to the journey.

Mitchell Davis:

Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, CTO and Laravel developer.

Gavin Tye:

Good day, Mitchell Davis. I'm Gavin Tye, CEO of Six Sides.

Mitchell Davis:

We are into year two, gotta work on that, of running a remote startup, sixsides.co, which is a community led events platform. We're documenting both business and tech of our journey as we build out our SaaS. How are you, mate?

Gavin Tye:

Mate, I have felt better. I'm a bit dusty from the weekend, and we come straight we stayed away for the weekend down at the Gold Coast with the air there's an air show on, Pacific Air Show. Apparently, Tom Cruise was there. I didn't know. But yeah.

Gavin Tye:

So instead of coming home yesterday afternoon after the air show, we decided to stay the night so we could leave in the morning, take the kids straight to school. And we had a few beers too many yesterday.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. Right. It was terrible. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. That happens. Yeah. Okay. Struggling might be an early mark day

Gavin Tye:

today. No. We got a we got a school interview for Saxon today for school next year. So none of that. You know, it's three 03:30 or something.

Gavin Tye:

So, yeah, it's a busy

Mitchell Davis:

day. Okay. Okay.

Gavin Tye:

How are you, mate?

Mitchell Davis:

How was the air show?

Gavin Tye:

It was great. Yeah. Mel Mel's mom loves it. So she we got an apartment that was up above, like, out on the beach above where the planes fly. So we're looking down at a plane, which is just unbelievable.

Gavin Tye:

So Yeah. Was awesome.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. You you sent me a video. It looked great. I couldn't believe how big the planes looked.

Mitchell Davis:

So you were you were pretty close. Must have been loud.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Some of them. Some of them were. There was a f 35 that come right at the end. Saxon on the first day, he fell asleep just as the plan got here.

Gavin Tye:

He was like, he passed out. It was too much for him.

Mitchell Davis:

Did he?

Gavin Tye:

And then yesterday he was awake, but it was great. Yeah. They do have pop flares off and stuff going up. It was great.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. That's sick. Yeah. Cool. Good one.

Mitchell Davis:

Because you went to this last year, right, but you didn't have as good of a spot, was that thing?

Gavin Tye:

It was on three years ago. It was on every two years. And then last year got cancelled because of the cyclone Alfred and all the beach got eroded, so they postponed it. Yeah. Gotcha.

Gavin Tye:

But yes, we've been to the one two, three years ago.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Good one. Well, you had an exciting weekend.

Mitchell Davis:

I didn't really. I spent a lot of it working on police Cutting gang

Gavin Tye:

edge stuff, mate. That's ex Mate, how many people would pay to be in your position? Shit tons, mate. Yep. I don't know that that's

Mitchell Davis:

the case. I think you're misreading that. But anyway, it look. So last episode, we kind of left off of we had a demo coming up for the police games people. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

And we were hoping

Gavin Tye:

that afternoon. Right? That was we had we recorded the podcast and the demo was at 01:00. Right? Was that that?

Gavin Tye:

That's right.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So feedback. How do you think it went?

Gavin Tye:

It went amazingly. Like, I think that they're they were so impressed that Yeah. How how it looked at. There's just a few, like, cosmetic changes, and they want a little bit in the header, like some imagery in the header, which is perfectly understandable. And we thought that they may want that, but, mate, they were blown away.

Gavin Tye:

I think they were really blown away. Instantly, we shut down or we stopped them needing we don't wanna say shut down. We stop them from needing to manage 64 Facebook groups. Individual sporting Facebook groups.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. It's it's it's yeah. And I really was really excited for you too because you've been putting a lot of like, it's been stressful with these last few weeks. And to get the reaction that you got was like, I hope that you think that it was like justified. And it was like fucking worthwhile.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. It was. It felt great. Like, and, you know, it's credit to not just me, but the whole team, you included. Like, this truly has been a team effort.

Mitchell Davis:

But, yes, there's been a lot of work that's gone on behind the scenes to kind of get it to where it is now. Unfortunately, there's still more to do, and I knew this going into that meeting. So we had a timeline that we prepped for them. And it was like, okay, today, as in last week, we were gonna give them the demo and then try as quickly as possible to get that release, like whatever was in place already at that meeting up onto the App Store and and have it go through the review process. Because for those that don't know, this typically for the very first release of an app on the App Store and Play Store, it takes longer than, like, just an update to an existing app.

Mitchell Davis:

And so

Gavin Tye:

you does it even if it's under the six sides, our business, does it is it still the same? Like, does they not go, oh, hey, I know that company?

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. Generally, from what I've seen. Yeah. But we'll find out.

Mitchell Davis:

So, it took me all week and to get it up for review. Right? It took me all week. And that's largely because I had other stuff that I've had to tackle. Like, the police games app isn't the only thing in my life.

Mitchell Davis:

And so there's lots of other stuff that I had kind of put on hold. So, I had to attend to some of those things. Plus also burnout. Like, we called out a couple weeks ago that, hey, I'm approaching burnout and it's absolutely here. Like, I'm so done and not interested in working on anything at the moment, which is really shitty.

Mitchell Davis:

But I did push through. And so it took me all the way to last night to get the app, and it was at like 08:00 last night. I got the app up on Google and Apple's stores. So, it is finally up for review. Now, the plan back to that timeline is that we're just kicking off kind of the one week, two week timeline now of that initial review, but this is not the final build.

Mitchell Davis:

So, we've got all of this week to go through and basically apply like the final polish. So we're going through Raymond's already been looking at every single screen on like multiple different on Android, old iOS, new iOS, etcetera, just making sure everything's in place. I'm gonna be doing the same this week. There are some things that we need to add, like some of that, like, more logos of the police games to give them their branding and that sort of stuff. Couple last minute, like, actual things that we're implementing, but, like, it is it's 98% there right now, which is great.

Mitchell Davis:

So, yeah, we gotta just get that last 2%. And then the plan is today we're getting the the test flight built. So, we're sending to the police games people the test flight and the equivalent on Android as well. I was just configuring that now before our call. Send them that link.

Mitchell Davis:

Both Apple and Google have to go through and do a review if you are releasing it to what's called like external testers, which in this case, the police games are actually external to our Six Sides team. So, it has to go through a review, which is different if I just wanna show you, Gavin, the latest build on TestFlight, you get that immediately because you're internal to the team. So, yeah, going through and setting that up for them, we can't send them the link to it until it's been reviewed. So it's kind of it's a bit of a bummer. I won't be able to send it today, but what I'll do is just email them and let them know, hey, this is what's happening.

Mitchell Davis:

It's up now. So as soon as it's ready, I'll send you the link. So that's exciting. And then they'll start to see and they can play with the same version as what I presented last week that they were really happy with. And then that's where we'll start asking them, hey, let's catalogue any feedback that they have, a wish list, what have you, all of that sort of stuff.

Mitchell Davis:

We'll get a spreadsheet set up for them, and then they can just start putting their stuff into that, try and keep it a bit organised. So, yeah, so that's exciting. And then once this initial two week review is done, then we will roll out like a final update, which is what we plan to have go out to their 5,000 ish current athletes. So, that's the plan. So, yeah, it's gonna be another busy week and probably next week also will be busy.

Mitchell Davis:

But it's really cool to see it's all coming together. The final thing that I've got to do is roll out the back end changes to support the app. So, I'm actually kind of racing against the clock. I need to roll those changes out today. And it's things there's like changes that have been made to the database and like we've added the concept of friends and things like that that the current deployed version of the back end has no idea about.

Mitchell Davis:

So, a few of the screens, if Apple or Google were to review them right now, those screens would be empty because under the hood, there's no APIs to support them. So, it's a bit of a race against the clock, but I thought, okay, we're gonna be on the very end of Apple and Google's queue. I'll just get the apps up for review now. And then by the time they're looking at it, I should have this rolled out. So, yeah, a bit of a a timeline.

Mitchell Davis:

But once those changes are rolled out, then Gavin, you'll be able to start using the current test flight build in your demos because that'll all be hooked up and and ready to go. So, yeah, finally, we will have the community features that we've been kind of building the business around for the last twelve, eighteen months, what have you, they'll finally be there and and ready to start using, which is very exciting.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Mate, it's it's amazing. Like,

Mitchell Davis:

you said a

Gavin Tye:

lot of things there. So the couple of things to unpack is we're gonna have to come up with a structure about how the world or how the team can actually report back bugs if they find any. Mhmm. Which I was just looking on teams. We might have to we'll have to set up a Excel spreadsheet or something on there in that environment for us to do that or get them to do it just so we can catalog Google Drive.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Something something like that. We can use Google Drive because they can't get into it. So we have to use their instance. But yeah, it's mate, it's amazing.

Gavin Tye:

And it's I know it's tough, but we've gotta you've got a hard stop on the September 14, which is what we're at now. You've got a month to go. We've got a lot to knock out of the way in between now and your garden, and you can have a use that time to re refresh.

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. Yep. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Can't wait.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. As a as a like, I can continue on with some of the stuff that I had to do here. Needed to work on some assets for the App Store and Play Store, and so I found a decent template for that on Figma. And then it was actually like a pretty cool process. You can just drop in your screenshots of the app and then it would go slot them in to a nicely designed template.

Mitchell Davis:

And so then I I needed to do that in the right branding for the police games team. You and I collaborated on it a bit. You had some suggestions of how you had a logo here or there. It's come out pretty good. So, I'm pretty happy with it.

Mitchell Davis:

We'll need to show that to them, you know, before we roll it out. But it's pretty quick to change if they're not happy for whatever reason. So, that was a bit of fun. And it made me look at what we have for the Six Sides branding at the moment on the App Store and Play Store, and it is like garbage because it's just screenshots of the very first version of the app from the Denmark days. So, it's Those are over a year old now and it is not selling us at all.

Mitchell Davis:

So And I always knew like, okay, that's something that we'll come back to when time permits. Right? But we needed to get the app there. So, yeah, once probably between now and next month, I'll also follow the same process. I'll go through, get some similar screenshots for six sides, get them updated, etcetera.

Mitchell Davis:

So that's kind of fun.

Gavin Tye:

One of the best things that come out of the meeting is one is I really like working with good people. I know good people around, I think. And they gave us a, I guess, an unprompted, like, review or testimonial, I guess, where they you can imagine the World Police Games is dealing with so many different organizations. And I said it from the beginning, we do not wanna be a difficult business to work with. We our culture I want our culture to be customer first.

Gavin Tye:

I don't want any friction or anything like that. No surprises. And they said to us afterwards, they were like, we just want you to know that you guys are so easy to deal with. You are not only delivering what you say you want on time, but you're going above and beyond. And it's not like it is with some other people that we're working with.

Gavin Tye:

They're even trying to give us other work, but we just it's not in our wheelhouse. Right? So yeah. And is really important, I think, for us because not only will we deliver a world class app, but if we have world class service, that's a really that's a really powerful combination. Like, you could be really, really great and deliver something that looks awesome, but if you're a pain in the ass to deal with, they just go, look, it's they're fuck.

Gavin Tye:

It's not worth it or vice versa. If you're really good to deal with and it's dog shit, then it's like, yeah, they're great guys, but they're just not up to quality. I think we're nailing that on both fronts. And I think that will pay dividends in the future for sure.

Mitchell Davis:

So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. It's nice.

Mitchell Davis:

It feels good to have them feel like that about us, you know. So, yeah, it's great. And that's That has really been driven by you. You have like a pretty high bar for customer success, I guess. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. So, anyway, final thing on this process is I've asked I've been using Claude a lot more lately, and I've asked it to go through and look at how we do our, like, releases and the like, the process behind releases for the mobile app. Well, mobile apps now. And it's all coming from one code base, the Police Games app and the Six Sides app. And in the future, I imagine we're gonna have more of these like branded apps.

Mitchell Davis:

Right? And being able to kind of have a stable foundation of, okay, when we wanna add a a third variant, a third brand into the mix, what does that look like? And if we make a change to, let's say, the police games app because they want to reword something but that doesn't have an impact on six sides or say the third variant, then how do we do that? Right. And I've got that process like I feel like it's nailed now, and that's largely come from Claude.

Mitchell Davis:

So, yeah, I'm able to separately like version each app and then tag it. And so I can go, okay, if ever I wanna see what was the code base like for version 1.2 of the Six Sides app, I can go pull up that exact block of code, which is pretty cool. We're doing GitHub releases now as well. So this no one else will ever see this, but it's cool to see on our side from the technical side like, okay, what did we what was the difference between version one point two and one point three? I can go look at that really easily now.

Mitchell Davis:

And so, yeah, that will all help for things like change logs and release notes, etcetera. So, just kinda getting the house in order a bit on the release side of things because it hasn't been for the last two years. It's just kind of been okay, hey, the app is out. Right? And I might maybe record somewhere, okay, this was version 1.2, but nothing formal.

Mitchell Davis:

So, now we have a bit of a formal process. So, it's pretty cool. Yeah. Really happy with it.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Well, it seems like both on both sides, your side and my side, we are preparing we are maturing the business a bit. So, you know, speaking of Claude, I've been using Claude last week to configure HubSpot, the new HubSpot. And I feel like this is a really interesting lesson. I feel like the sales guy fucked me over.

Gavin Tye:

I've gotta get him off the call because he he said, oh, yeah. You can put he knows we're bringing in 10,000 people into the app. Right? And we talked about the marketing, like, when they come on board, getting them into HubSpot, and then get them give them a welcome series email all the way through, and then we will try to convert them. And he knows that I said 10,000.

Gavin Tye:

And he also knows there's another number there which is larger, which is 70,000. And he's like, yeah, mate. No worries. Yeah. Cool.

Gavin Tye:

But then I looked a little further and now it's like, it could be an extra 800 to a thousand dollars a month for marketing contacts. I'm like, this is not what I signed up for. This is not he knew what I was speak he knew what I spoke about and he did not correct. And even Snitcher doesn't it does not do the same thing Snitcher does, so we can't get rid of Snitcher. So I'm like Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

We're using Stitcher to identify like visitors to the site and it gives us, hey, this person's from, you know, this company. Yep. So I'm in the middle of the same thing.

Gavin Tye:

No. No. Not at all. So I'm actually gonna go through this process. I think I might need to unwind it.

Gavin Tye:

I don't know how I'm gonna do that. But he is What he said it could do, because you were on a call, he's like, oh, you saw the call. He's like, yep, can do that.

Mitchell Davis:

Can do that. But okay, well, I'll take

Gavin Tye:

your word for it. And then it turns out I can't. So Yeah. And I've just committed to a three year agreement. So Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

I'll be unwinding that, I think. So

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Unfortunately. I mean, we'd still We could still use HubSpot for your actual sales like

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Leads. Right? Use that as the sales engine, but just not with all of the marketing. We wouldn't be adding all of our users to it, to any sort of welcome sequences and stuff. No.

Mitchell Davis:

No. I don't know who would

Gavin Tye:

be able to afford to do that. Like, you're charging $800 a month extra to hold on to 10,000 email addresses. Like, come on. Come on. So anyway, I've got to figure this out.

Gavin Tye:

So I'm gonna Yeah. Anyway, that's a bug ba. I should have looked into that further. I just trusted him and hey, that's shame on me. So

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Alright. Well, I'm curious to see how that conversation goes.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Well, I've sent him a recording the other day and then like on Loom just to show him the difference between snitcher and HubSpot. Yep. And then I'm gonna go back to him today and get him on the call and say, hey, mate, look, come on. You credit me 30,000 bloody contacts or something.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. That's right. Okay. Frustrating. I'm glad I haven't put any time into moving everything over from Tina into HubSpot then.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Yeah, mate. I've got a couple of hard decisions to do this week. There's that. Like, I've gotta have a chat.

Gavin Tye:

But then there's also we've got a hard call to make with a client, which is a shame. We put them on a platform in good faith. We had a couple of pilots with them and then they were like, yep, let's go. We'll we've done a lot of work and now they're just using it without paying us. And they're not in contact with us, they're not talking to us.

Mitchell Davis:

Unfortunately the phone when we call and we both called them.

Gavin Tye:

Like Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

I even reached out. Yeah. Frustrating.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. So anyway, I'm just looking there and see if she had have caught back while I was on the while we were on here and no, she hasn't. So I'm gonna have to send him a letter today and then we're gonna have to turn it off. So

Mitchell Davis:

Send him a letter?

Gavin Tye:

Well, an email when I say a letter. That

Mitchell Davis:

would be very formal. Yeah. Get a stamp. Yeah. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. I've got a seal. We've got a seal, family seal.

Mitchell Davis:

A seal. That's what I mean. Yes. Seal. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

We did wax seals for the wedding. That was a bit of fun. Yeah. That might be that would be very formal for these guys.

Gavin Tye:

They seem fun, but then they're a pain in the ass to do right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Got a fan, but we got a g and m wax seal.

Mitchell Davis:

Oh, nice.

Gavin Tye:

So, yes.

Mitchell Davis:

So anyway Frustrating, right? It is a shame.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. I'm not doing everything in good faith anymore like that. We did that out of Yeah. Anyway, it's a shame.

Mitchell Davis:

It's probably been six months or something. Right? It's a long time. Yeah. And it was to their credit, like, they put us in a newsletter and stuff like that.

Mitchell Davis:

Like, they were It was reciprocal in some ways. But, you know, when the rubber meets the road, like, we're running a service for them and they need to pay and then they just go like cold turkey on us, disappear, but we could see they're still using the platform. So, yeah, really frustrating.

Gavin Tye:

Yep. Anyway, so

Mitchell Davis:

Lesson learned.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah, that's it. It's I'm not going to do that. I've I've learned my lesson there, and I will still do it on some calls. Right? On on some on some things, but it's yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Anyways, it's a Yeah. It's frustrating. But what do you do? Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. We learn and we move on. Cool. Alright. So it's gonna be a shorter episode this week because we're a little constrained on time.

Mitchell Davis:

So we've only got a couple more things here. Last week, we well, over the last two weeks, I've had my team working on some research and like proof of concepts. We talked a little bit about it last week with chat and translations. So these are two new features that we're looking to add over the next couple of months. And the team had wrapped up with their projects by middle of last week.

Mitchell Davis:

And so we did a demo for you. How did you think that went?

Gavin Tye:

I thought it went really well. Like, particularly well, we're doing it we're doing it in the dashboard, so it's a little hard conceptually to see how it works. But generally, it looked awesome. And the concepts of it of how it might be used, there's two different use case of the translations that we've come up with, which is one is if they're talking to volunteer or an official, like, they're probably looking for directions or information on their sport or around the game. So or the other one is they might be chatting to a just a fellow competitor.

Gavin Tye:

So they have slightly different uses of the app, like, of the platform. One could be just they're looking at the app together. The other one could be they could have the app their own app open, and they're looking at it in a different way. But yeah. Look.

Gavin Tye:

It's it's amazing to see the vision coming to life and see how you guys build it. Right? Practically build it and then where do we put it? So yeah, yeah, it's amazing. And looking forward to seeing how it comes along.

Gavin Tye:

And I think you said last week you mentioned that this is a You feel like this is a better way to get the team to do things by giving them projects. Is that right?

Mitchell Davis:

That's right. Yeah. Because it's it's been pretty free flowing and they could kind of feel it out as they go. So, the way I gave them these projects was I we sat down and I said, hey. Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

This is the grand vision of what you're building. But it wasn't any, like, long detailed scope. It was just let's get on a call. I wanna walk you through. These are some ideas that we've got.

Mitchell Davis:

I showed them some screenshots of what this looked like because these two projects will go towards the police games that this is something that we sold them on basically. And I showed them some of those early screenshot, like mock up screenshots that I'd just come up with ages ago. Right? And that was enough to then, like, get them thinking on like, okay, how would I go about building this? And I made it really clear, like, I wanted a report at the end of this, which was just like two pages of their thoughts.

Mitchell Davis:

So not AI generated, but just their thoughts and walk me through like, okay, if this was your decision, how would you go about building this and stand by it? So they both went and got like, in in Martin's case, he was working on the translation project. So he went and got like pricing details for a bunch of different translation services. He looked at could we run an like a LLM model, just a small one, but could we download and run one on a device? And it looks like it is possible, but it's gonna be in the too hard basket for now.

Mitchell Davis:

Yep. So, therefore, we're relying on like translation APIs from Google or actually we're gonna use AWS to do this. And so he went and got details on all of that. And then for the voice mode that we were just talking about, he's also got me pricing there and thinking through the different use cases of is it one phone is recording two peep two different people's voice or is it like how does that work? Is it turn based, etcetera?

Mitchell Davis:

And they've actually like I can see they've really put the work into it. As I've had to give them feedback as we go. Right. But I think if this sets the standard for how this type of project could be given to them, I got a great outcome with pretty minimal input from it, which is great. Like, this was not micromanage y at all.

Mitchell Davis:

This was like, hey, go. You be the boss for two weeks and you come back and tell me how you would do this. And it's gone really well.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Do you know how they you like, because they're from The Philippines, if people aren't just listening for the first part, what have you asked them how they're typically been managed or given work from other people that I've worked with before? Because I would I feel like this is a completely different way that they're used to working. Right? They're very they'd be very task driven or ticket driven.

Gavin Tye:

Now you're actually

Mitchell Davis:

I haven't asked them that before, but Raymond did volunteer it that, yeah, this is because I because I asked them for feedback on how did did they like working in this way? And they said, I haven't worked this way before, but it was actually really fun. And they contrasted it as well with the last set of research projects that we gave them now probably three, four months ago, which was around like ticketing and doing event websites. Mhmm. And those, it was no code at all.

Mitchell Davis:

It was purely just research, and they much preferred this, which makes sense. We're developers. We like to write code. But it actually proved to be pretty useful as well. Like, the the code that they've written likely will go towards whatever the final implementation is, which is pretty cool.

Mitchell Davis:

So we're actually gonna move ahead with the translations project. We're gonna park chat just for now because I think there's a bit more nuance, some more decisions to be made. But the translation features, I've already had Martin actually starting to build APIs and things like that for it because it feels like it's it's probably pretty close to being ready. So I do think they really enjoyed this way of working. And now it will be on us.

Mitchell Davis:

Like, we're starting to think about my when I'm away on on this honeymoon, there's five weeks there worth of work that we need I need to get them set up and able to work on some things without me having to create like a 100 tickets in linear, you know, because I just don't have that capacity to do that. Yeah. And it's not like we have some giant roadmap either of we know exactly what every little thing we need to build is over the next twelve months. We don't. Like, we're kind of working month to month at this point, you and I.

Mitchell Davis:

Right? Like, figuring out how to build this business. So, yeah, now that this is a method that seemingly works, this is what we're gonna try while while I'm away.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. So, we're gonna make what, like four, five or six different projects

Mitchell Davis:

or something like that? If it's maybe yeah. If it's I'd assume probably one and a half weeks per project if they're of a similar size like this per developer. Right? So we probably need three projects each.

Mitchell Davis:

So six total.

Gavin Tye:

Yep. Okay. Yeah. That that makes sense. So we can yeah.

Gavin Tye:

Because there's some cool stuff that we're we wanted to add to the scope of the police games potentially that we're not telling them about. We're not committing to anything in case it doesn't work out. But Yeah. There's some fun there's a getting into the fun stuff that we can do.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Yeah. That's right.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

It is exciting. Alright. So to to kind of wrap up, we've got that the work that we're doing with Robin, our designer. We should expect to see some, like, first samples of the new landing page later today. So that's exciting.

Mitchell Davis:

Really looking forward to that. We've just been talking a bit in Slack. He's in our linear as well, so we can see like, okay, these are some screenshots of what we're working on. But, yeah, that's been a really cool and like modern way of working with someone. So, just get them in the same tools as though they're a part of the team.

Mitchell Davis:

Like, it's pretty cool. It's that's been nice. And then, yeah, you've got a final point here, fitness point.

Gavin Tye:

Mate, I've got that ride coming up on Sunday, like the 100 k ride. Do you? Yeah. Yeah. This Sunday.

Gavin Tye:

And I've the last ride I did was maybe a month ago, I did a 40 k ride and it was okay. But on Friday, I was like, I'm just gonna go take a day, clear my head. And I went for a ride. I did a 70 k ride and I was underprepared. I didn't have enough water.

Gavin Tye:

Water's okay. I can get water, but I didn't have enough nutrition. And when I turned around to come back, it was still 35 k's and Mel was already on the coast. And typically when I ride, if I bonk, they call it bonking, you can call I've called Mel and she'll always come and get me.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah.

Gavin Tye:

And she wasn't around. And I'm like, oh, and I've gotta get the kids by three. And so I rode back and I had to stop at, you know, at a servo and have a drink, but I got it. And I was like, yeah, that hurt. I could still ride another 30 k's if I needed to.

Gavin Tye:

So I'll be able to do the ride, but I'll recover and and get fitter from the ride that happened the other day. And then Sunday I did a park run straight after and I was my legs were really heavy, but I managed to almost run the whole lot, which was pretty good. So, yeah, did two decent days in a row. So. That's great.

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Cool. Good one.

Mitchell Davis:

Yeah. Well, yeah, let us Dean Dea, how you go. I guess maybe we should start recording on Mondays, then you could report on these things. Maybe for the next couple of weeks we'll do Monday recordings. You can let us know.

Mitchell Davis:

Otherwise, it'll be two weeks away. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. For me, unfortunately, I hurt myself a bit after playing pickleball for an hour and a half.

Mitchell Davis:

Like, my knees were just like super sore. So I did still go to the gym last week, but I had to pause on the walking. I started it back up again last night. Nicole and I went out for a walk. There's a new area in our suburb that's just kind of opened up, and so we went and looked at that for the first time.

Mitchell Davis:

So that was a bit of fun. But, yeah, I'm back on the on the grind today. I'll be going out for a walk. My legs are feeling good. So

Gavin Tye:

Yeah. Nice. Good run.

Mitchell Davis:

We'll we'll get there, mate. Cool. Alright. I'll let's close it out. I've forgotten how to do this.

Gavin Tye:

Where people where can people find you, mate?

Mitchell Davis:

They can find me online on LinkedIn predominantly under the handle Mitch Dav. What about you?

Gavin Tye:

Mitch Dav. Mate, not under Mitch Dav. Under Gavin Tye is where they'll probably find me. That would make sense. Right?

Gavin Tye:

Wouldn't be under the Yeah.

Mitchell Davis:

No. That's right. That would be odd. Yeah. Okay.

Mitchell Davis:

Cool. Cool. Sounds good. Alright. Well, we will catch you all next week.

Mitchell Davis:

Thank you for listening. Love it if you would leave us a rating or a review or a DM or an email to journey@6sides.co. We're very contactable, and we would welcome any feedback at all on the show. Alright? Alright, mate.

Mitchell Davis:

We will catch you all next week.

Gavin Tye:

See you, mate.