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What is Popcorn & Plot Holes?
Movies are fun! Movies are awesome! But movies can sometimes be very, very weird... or just plain terrible. In this intersection of fun, awesome, weird and terrible is where Matt, Luciano, Chris and Spencer live and thrive. They'll be watching the latest FACTS (Fantasy, Action, Comic, Thriller, Sci-Fi) movies available on streaming services and sharing their equally awesome, fun, weird and terrible thoughts on them. Welcome to Popcorn & Plot Holes!
Matt (00:00.444)
Hello and welcome to popcorn and plot holes.
Luciano (00:02.953)
Jesus Christ! See, I told you, I told you last week that you spent way too much energy. Now this is what we
Chris (00:07.078)
Hello? Hello?
Matt (00:14.108)
Well, Spencer's not here, so I'm gonna go real low. This is Popcorn on Potholes, and even though Spencer has abandoned us like some sort of Chris, we're gonna persevere with Chris.
Chris (00:14.544)
You gotta get your electrolytes back
You sound like Eeyore when you eat the poo. A promotion.
Luciano (00:20.641)
Yeah, you do like sound like you are.
Luciano (00:32.941)
Oof. Oof.
Chris (00:36.346)
But I'm here. So you can't do that. Can't do that to me.
Matt (00:37.704)
That's right. And also, also Luciano.
Chris (00:44.941)
you
Matt (00:44.944)
I tried to go that energy, you wouldn't let me.
Matt (00:50.162)
This week we watched Furiosa at Mad Max Story.
Damn it, I thought I had it. Saga.
Luciano (00:58.883)
It's not your fault the name's dumb
Matt (01:03.816)
Yes, that is the first question. This is the prequel to the what? 2020, 2012, 2014. Yeah, yeah, no, no rush. No, I got there when I needed to.
Luciano (01:13.539)
2015, think, yeah. Yeah, something like
Yeah, 2015, because I remember them saying it took nine years for the prequel to come up.
Matt (01:26.204)
Listen, I mean is that the right way to go about making a prequel waiting nine years? I don't know.
Luciano (01:31.563)
No. No.
Chris (01:33.165)
No.
Matt (01:34.504)
Probably not. Let's start where we always start, in the fun zone. What was your favorite part of this
Luciano (01:41.501)
War Rig hands down just them putting it together the way that they did it like the little carvings like everybody's fucking dying of radiation poisoning and Thirst and not having enough food and they're carving fucking Baroque Like drawings on the fucking tankers. I'm here for it. And no it was just a cool like, you know how in Star Wars you get the cool ships like in this in this setting we get the cool
vehicles and even the monster truck wasn't as cool as the war rig that war rig was awesome. It was my by far my favorite thing in
Matt (02:17.318)
Mm -hmm.
Chris (02:20.934)
Plus one that I liked Dementis' motor chariot, bike chariot, biker, bariot, bariot?
Luciano (02:29.527)
I was so pissed off at it. Bike -iet? Motor chariot, there.
Chris (02:36.24)
Bike it, yeah. Motorchariot, like I understand the concept of like turning it, but like how did he get it to stop? It like, seemed like he leaned back. How do you get it to speed up? I don't know, but I was fascinated by
Matt (02:42.015)
Mm mm okay.
Luciano (02:47.659)
Exactly! I was... I... It runs on the rule of cool. It don't need no gasoline.
Matt (02:53.02)
The rule of cool drives out.
Chris (02:55.733)
Hahaha!
Chris (03:00.037)
Mmm.
Chris (03:03.652)
Woo!
Chris (03:07.054)
It runs on Dennis Hopper fuel.
Matt (03:09.544)
Wow, RIP.
Luciano (03:11.524)
Yeah, rest in peace Bowser.
Chris (03:11.526)
Think about that.
Chris (03:15.994)
You know, King Bowser.
Matt (03:17.422)
think those are both two very good answers. I think for
I'm going to Dementus because nothing brought me more delight than Thor being able to revert to his native accent.
Luciano (03:27.105)
Yeah
Luciano (03:34.835)
I was so glad about that too.
Matt (03:37.68)
And just ham it up. The hammiest, like, I think he took every trick he learned from Taiko Wattiri to ham up the mentis the way he did.
Luciano (03:49.153)
He was like... I'm surprised he didn't put on more weight with how much scenery he chewed on that movie. was glorious.
Chris (03:49.54)
It takes a skilled hand to do to pull that
Chris (03:57.136)
Mmm
Protein only, my good man.
Luciano (04:01.621)
Yeah, you can tell he was having fun, which is like honestly half the battle.
Chris (04:04.032)
yeah.
Chris (04:07.79)
It's a joy when people get to stretch themselves in a way that they're capable of. His comedic chops, his range has always been good.
Luciano (04:17.943)
Yeah, I don't think I had ever seen Chris Hemsworth play a villain. He did a fantastic job.
Matt (04:26.46)
Yeah, I can't think of all the movies I've seen him in. He's been on the side of good. Yeah, like the I think honestly, the most tangential character I've seen him as is either the receptionist in the Ghostbusters movie or and then you have he's Kirk's dad and the first Star Trek reboot.
Luciano (04:29.921)
The hero, right? The protagonist at the very least, if not a hero, but yeah.
Chris (04:42.682)
Ghostbusters? Yes. It was fun.
Luciano (04:43.107)
I haven't watched that.
Chris (04:48.538)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Luciano (04:48.588)
yeah, that's right. I mean, it's such a small part, but
Matt (04:51.686)
It's a small role. Yeah. So he's just someone's dad. It's hard to be. Yeah. Yeah. Movie. You can't. Are you allowed to speak that movie's name in your household?
Luciano (04:55.277)
George Kirk, right?
Chris (04:57.05)
Mmm.
Luciano (05:04.835)
Well, I asked because she's not around. So my wife is a huge trackie. she is like when we watched, she was super happy about a new Star Wars movie. the moment Vulcan, sorry, the moment they destroy Vulcan, she almost stood up and left the theater, which I've never seen her do. She was pissed. She hates that movie.
Chris (05:09.156)
She hates it.
Chris (05:12.944)
Mm -hmm.
Matt (05:21.128)
Star Trek.
Chris (05:27.702)
Mmm. Yeah Why that was a intense scene that was intense intense?
Luciano (05:35.297)
Yeah. Anyway, Furiosa!
Matt (05:37.01)
Yeah, it's fine. Don't worry about
Furio said, yeah, so I mean, he was great and I'd love to, it's unfortunate he is cutting back on acting because I would love to see him take on more comedic and villainous roles. Listen, we don't have to go negative. We just always want to start positive. From here we go where we want to go. And I think for me, I'm going to start with a simple question. It's not really a fun creative question we have at the end.
Luciano (05:48.834)
Yeah.
Matt (06:08.968)
I just want to know what is cooler using Roman names or Greek names because we've seen an example of using. I get this so wrong. This movie uses Roman, correct? Luciano, right? Rebel Moon uses Greek. And I'm just curious which one feels cooler in a
Chris (06:19.768)
Imperator? Roman. It seems that way.
Luciano (06:22.103)
Yes? Yes? no.
Chris (06:33.658)
What would remind me what the Greek was
Luciano (06:33.731)
So are you saying who wins between Roman and Greek? I can tell you who loses, we do.
Matt (06:41.562)
one or it's cooler like it
Luciano (06:43.037)
I like, I honestly like Greek more, but...
Chris (06:46.798)
Remind me, what was the Greek example in Rebel Moon? Because I've done my best to move that out of my memory. Really?
Matt (06:50.734)
all their names, Belisarius, Atticus.
Luciano (06:53.665)
Yeah, although Belisarius could be Roman
Matt (06:58.12)
Sure. Fair, but like everything he was trying to invoke was... It was a bit of... was Greek, essentially. Anyways, you've ruined it. You've ruined my fun question. You monsters.
Luciano (07:03.447)
Veoia
Chris (07:08.43)
Okay, okay. I don't think it's ruined. I was just trying to remember so I could compare it. I feel like Roman is cooler.
Matt (07:20.274)
Great. Great answer. We did
Luciano (07:23.043)
He's just fucking trying to segue out of his own question so fast.
Chris (07:24.134)
You
Matt (07:28.06)
No, no, no, it's a great answer. just I have no further follow -ups on it back to this movie
Chris (07:32.166)
And the follow -ups are not allowed.
Luciano (07:33.803)
Listen, I'm just gonna say this. So they use a lot of Roman in this movie, right? But we get some cool titles like Praetorian and Imperator. We also get Scrotus and Rictus, so you gotta balance.
Chris (07:45.446)
Mm -hmm.
Matt (07:48.328)
I mean don't know if, I mean guess we'll get to it because I do have questions about those names for children or adult
Chris (07:48.55)
You gotta take the good with the bad.
Luciano (07:54.389)
Yes, for yeah for children
Matt (07:58.44)
It shows you how powerful it is to just have a kid in something. Yeah. Or just jump to him being an adult. Sometimes it's just easier that way. So real actual comment at this movie that one of the things I noticed. It's like, I think if you listen to our previous podcast, we watched Solo, right? In the previous podcast?
Chris (07:58.714)
We don't have any children listening to this.
Luciano (08:04.543)
Named Balsak?
Chris (08:06.421)
Yeah
Luciano (08:24.011)
I think it was the previous podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did.
Matt (08:26.332)
Yeah, so we watched Solo, A Star Wars Story. even if you didn't listen to the podcast, if you've seen Solo, you understand that writing a prequel is very hard because you have to get yourself to a specific place and you can't help but try to make things, answer things that show up in the other movie that are cool and meaningful to the franchise or not just to the people, to the fans. But it can go so wrong so quickly.
Chris (08:29.153)
Matt (08:55.856)
if you pick the wrong thing. Like certainly you had to answer the question of how did Furos lose her arm and so you have to show that and it's fine. But then there's other things they do like the little, the head hug that the people from the place of abundance do.
Chris (09:08.944)
Mm -hmm.
Luciano (09:09.067)
Yeah. man. I, I was so mad at that. was like, why aren't they doing that? And then I saw a picture of, of a Furiosa meeting Valkyrie on Furio that was like they, George Miller, you bitch, you took that little thing that was probably like ad libbed or, like improvised at the time. And you made it all. This is how the Vuvalini greet each other now. Like what? Yeah.
Matt (09:24.488)
Ha ha
Matt (09:36.392)
I mean, maybe that was more Nick Lathorius' work. And he's still alive, I checked. He did write this for reals, I checked. But it is, it I mean, it's very good. So that's the thing, right? Old, 80s plus. Let's check here. What are you telling me IMDB? You don't want to tell me his age, 1945.
Luciano (09:44.341)
Okay maybe, maybe. But George Miller could still have cut
Chris (09:50.406)
How old is George Miller?
Luciano (09:53.783)
Yeah, probably.
Luciano (10:02.723)
So yeah, so 89 or 79. Sorry.
Chris (10:03.075)
wow.
Matt (10:07.634)
Yeah.
Anyways, 89. Math, how does it work? My brain broke. No, sorry, I was talking about that. So like, it's tough in this movie and I find that it struggles to tell a meaningful story.
Luciano (10:26.849)
Yeah, because it's almost like telling a story by filling in the blanks, not really telling a story, because you have certain beats and certain points that you need to touch on because it's such a close prequel. Because you could take the cowards route and do what George Lucas did and set the prequel so far behind that it doesn't really matter too much, right? As long as you get to the end in the situation where everything else can...
Matt (10:47.368)
doesn't matter.
Luciano (10:56.553)
flow from, right? But the idea here was like to segue almost indirectly into
Matt (11:03.272)
I mean they showed it as I don't know was the end of the movie or yeah the end of the movie because this Yeah, and then in the credits they show the what happens in the other movie because technically it happens after but yeah they show her escaping with the the wives or Maidens whatever they're called
Luciano (11:06.465)
the stinger or like the, yeah.
Chris (11:08.155)
Yeah.
Luciano (11:12.489)
Exactly, yeah.
Luciano (11:17.697)
Yeah, the wives, yeah.
Chris (11:19.13)
Maidens, wives, cowards!
Luciano (11:22.229)
Yeah. And they make sure to show the, the char, the Chastity belt with the teeth around the crotch. Just cause it's a very edgy. But yeah, like they, they, they, so instead of being able to tell a whole story, they go, okay, well, so now we have to go from the, thing. Let's show Furiosa whose actual name is fucking Furiosa and not something else. And Valkyrie whose actual fucking name is Valkyrie and not something else.
Matt (11:31.09)
Great job, everybody.
Luciano (11:50.305)
Because in the other movie they call her The Valkyrie. Here is just her name.
Chris (11:54.062)
Hmm.
Matt (11:56.848)
Like, I have a question for you, like, what the fuck were they doing naming kids at this con - Why would you why would you name your kid Fiyahosa? Chris, when you name your daughter, did you ever think of Fiyahosa?
Chris (12:10.21)
No, furthermore, if you're coming to your point, if you're born or you've migrated to a place of abundance, a secret place of abundance, if those children were born there, Furiosa and Valkyrie are the last names you're gonna pick.
Luciano (12:24.809)
Exactly, that is true. I never even thought of that but like they should have been called like Sky and Dawn like like a hippie fucking name
Chris (12:31.748)
Right. But we can't have that.
Matt (12:31.858)
Yeah, rebirth. Sorry, what's rebirth in, yeah. Thank you.
Luciano (12:36.917)
Roman in Latin. know what it is in Portuguese. It's probably not super different, but yeah, it would be a terrible name. would be even more hippie than in English.
Matt (12:43.398)
It's probably close.
Matt (12:52.656)
Well, Google itself says, regenerate ratio.
Luciano (12:55.073)
Butcher it, butcher it, let's see.
Regeneratio, yeah. That's more like regeneration in English, but yeah, it works, yeah.
Chris (12:59.728)
That sounds pretty cool.
Matt (13:02.15)
Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I
Chris (13:07.376)
Take your pick. It's either Harry Potter -ian or it's Doctor Who -ian.
Matt (13:10.308)
Yeah. Well, Harry Potter stole liberally from. Well, everything's just an idea where us.
Luciano (13:11.233)
No, but like, yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah. And, and like, don't get me fucking started on the lack of the clench. No, this is not this. No, no. Anyway, but any, any, like even, even if you said, okay, so Furiosa, at least it's Roman, right? It's, it's Latin. What the fuck is, where did the Norse come in? Like, what the fuck is, why is here Valkyrie?
Matt (13:24.498)
Stay focused, stay on target.
Chris (13:31.942)
Hmm.
Luciano (13:38.605)
Call her, I don't know, Amazon or something like, closer at least, no, Valkyrie. But anyway, they go, let's show Valkyrie and Furiosa together because God forbid they are just acquaintances. No, they have to be best friends that got separated so they can meet again in the other movie. And then let's basically waffle until the point where, I don't know, what was the next thing that when she paints her head or when she cuts her hair off or something, right?
Chris (13:53.06)
Yeah...
Matt (14:06.002)
Yeah, shows it a couple times, but
Luciano (14:08.259)
Yeah, so it's like, I don't know. It feels, so yeah, just to finish the thought is like, it feels like they were like, fuck, we should do something. It's been 10 years. And, and they're like, yeah, but we don't really have a story to tell. Yeah, but free also, man. Everybody loves her. All right, fine. I guess I'll make some
Chris (14:13.956)
And what a weird... Go on, go
Matt (14:29.574)
Yeah, it really seemed like they were scared to just do another mad max. Like I understand not wanting to do Mad Max, but I don't know if the answer was to do Furiosa.
Luciano (14:41.155)
I go do Furiosa but do it because you have a story for it. They had 10 years to come up with a decent story. Yeah, yeah that's the problem.
Chris (14:45.668)
Right. Which is sad. this is the outcome. This is the result. If that's the case and you're gonna really... It really is a missed opportunity because... I don't... It's not... This isn't negative. This is just about the missed opportunity. If you want to world build, Mad Max has had a great run. That doesn't mean you have to stop making those. But if you want to world build, give
Matt (14:49.554)
This is the best they had.
Chris (15:13.69)
the time and attention that she needs as opposed to checking off the prequel, ticking off that box and jamming, messily jamming this air quotes story into the format of a two hour and change movie. Honestly, with every section of the chapter of the movie, this could have been a series. It could have been
a two parter movie for all we know and like period.
Luciano (15:44.535)
Yeah, or, you know, like, do a prequel, but you don't have to make it an origin story. First of all, people are tired of origin stories already. And frankly, even then, which is, I agree, but like, it didn't have to be, right? Yeah.
Matt (15:53.457)
Yes.
Chris (15:54.854)
unless it's done well. And this
Matt (16:00.976)
It's really hard to do that, to land a prequel story that's meaningful and impactful. I have a hard time thinking of franchise that did it. Like a direct prequel like this, not like, well, I mean, the Star Wars movies stand on their own as being garbage for reasons related to being prequels. Yeah. But I'm trying think of other prequels I've seen where like the, know, Rogue One for Star Wars was interesting, but again,
Luciano (16:16.035)
It's not because they're
Luciano (16:25.611)
It was the best one that I've... It was a very good movie. That's probably from the new movies is the best one, I would say.
Chris (16:25.851)
Yes.
Matt (16:32.732)
And they put it in the same timeline, which was great, but they had made it about, I mean, the only people you saw cross over were minor characters that would have existed and made sense, Like Mon Motha is there, like the leaderships of the rebels.
Chris (16:32.955)
Yeah.
Luciano (16:42.824)
And yeah, and the very last scene, is arguably the best scene of the movie.
Matt (16:48.444)
That's that is the opposite of the when Fiora had to pull a little chain to make the motor go on her arm to chop stuff Like I bet you someone thought that was genius when they wrote it and then the application looks so stupid But whereas Darth Vader coming in and just chopping up some fools. That's the culmination of my Star Wars hopes and dreams
Chris (16:55.066)
Yeah.
Luciano (16:55.427)
Yes, exactly. Yeah.
Luciano (17:05.205)
Yeah,
Yeah. It's awesome. That scene is awesome because there is like, there was like a lot longer, like, like 40 years, 50 years of expectations on that scene. Right. And they delivered, which we all knew what it was. It was Darth Vader being Darth Vader at it's best at his best. And they delivered in this one. Not like they, they, they had the idea of the fucking motor arm.
Chris (17:08.784)
Yeah.
Chris (17:35.482)
Chainsaw.
Luciano (17:36.407)
but they had no reason to use
And even like the sound effect, it was supposed to sound more like, I guess, like a chainsaw maybe or it sounded like a bread knife. I'm going to be honest here. Yeah. I'm waterized bread knife.
Chris (17:43.718)
Mm -hmm.
Chris (17:48.59)
It sounded like a, yeah, that's what it sounded like to me. Did it? A bread, a motorized bread knife? Chop up that challah bread? Dementus, your time has come.
Luciano (17:58.051)
I bet you I bet you should could get you could get like a really thin challah slice there with that
Chris (18:06.948)
I'm gonna slice this challah and then I'm gonna shove it down your gullet. And furthermore, what a waste of that moment as well to liberate a teddy bear that you have? It's, what? What? No!
Luciano (18:20.053)
Yeah, exactly.
Matt (18:20.904)
Those chains were so thin you could have just pulled it
Luciano (18:26.957)
Fooled it, yeah.
Chris (18:30.079)
Uhhhh
Matt (18:30.482)
But like, that's, I mean, that's it, right? Like, so that's the challenge with this movie. like, overall, I don't want to ruin my ranking, but I found the movie frustrating because you spent all this time telling a story about someone when their origin story isn't interesting, to put it
Luciano (18:48.555)
Yeah, so that's what I was going to say. Like you make a prequel, but it doesn't have to be an origin story. Make it a previous adventures, right? When she was like, like in her late teens or early, like as an early, as like a young adult, like in her twenties or something. And like show her making mistakes that she didn't make on the second movie or something like that. It doesn't have to be, this was a pure child that was stolen. And that we're going to make a lot
Chris (19:04.612)
and the key go.
Luciano (19:18.159)
very, very scary and upsetting allusions for about, you know, marrying children and breeding children, but we're not going to show it. Like, sure, why? Why do you want me to talk in that voice?
Chris (19:28.006)
Can you keep talking like in that voice, please? Because it's the voice that it's the narration voice that everyone needs, that we didn't know we needed. And like the solution to this, like to plus one onto that, it's in the title alone, Saga. Like you painted.
Luciano (19:50.935)
Yeah, tell me an epic story.
Chris (19:56.182)
And it's unfortunate when that happens. Because like, not for nothing, Anna Taylor -Joy is talented, right? But in this context, in this setting, I was yearning for Charlie's there to come and own it. Like that's what she did. That's what Fury Road, Furiosa did. She owned everything. But this version to me
Luciano (20:14.275)
That's the thing,
Luciano (20:19.252)
Yeah, those are very large shoes to fill. Like nothing against Anna Taylor Jordan. think she's just she's not the greatest actress there is, but she's good. But I yeah, exactly. That's what I was getting to. I don't think they gave her decent direction to have her mimic what Charlize Theron
Chris (20:28.868)
It's not her fault, but I'm saying I was yearning for that power. Yeah, yeah, sorry, go
Matt (20:37.518)
I think her acting in the story they gave her is fine. It gets the job done. I don't think there's really a lot of room to do a lot of acting. Like she doesn't talk. She is Mad Max part two. Yes. And then she essentially, right. So was I. I thought that was way too long the way for her to show up as an adult. And then she essentially doesn't talk. I'm thinking of like,
Luciano (20:41.975)
Fine, it's fine, yeah.
Luciano (20:50.657)
Well, she doesn't show up until midway through the movie. I was very surprised about this.
Luciano (21:03.477)
Yeah.
Matt (21:07.378)
Christian Bale in the last Thor movie. He had a very dark character, but he was like, he's a great actor. Yeah. And he portrayed everything to the T. So she didn't do that. And that's not, it's fine. It doesn't ruin the movie. It's just the movie, movie's premise is dumb. The story confuses you. Yeah. Cause, cause you know, yeah, the thing that was interesting or the thing was still good with this movie is
Luciano (21:10.882)
Yeah?
Wasted.
Luciano (21:25.24)
It shoots itself in the foot with a lot of things. Yeah, I agree.
Chris (21:29.198)
Repeatedly.
Matt (21:34.3)
The car scenes and the action sequences still top notch like those are fucking exciting and really enjoyable to watch like the idea they made that the bombing knocker Right like and
Luciano (21:43.393)
But man, such a great idea. was like hyped to see it turn on.
Matt (21:48.55)
Yeah, and it looked great. Like all that was fun. Like seeing the war boys and fighting in a different style. And again, this is always the challenge of like, because you set, can't, in a movie when you make a sequel, you always ratchet up, right? Like you're like, we're to do more. But because this is a prequel, you can't do any more. You have to work around that challenge. And I thought for the most part with the action sequences, they did, right? Like the war boys were still doing interesting things and like, you know, the action items, like having it take place in one of the fortresses, you
Luciano (22:01.153)
Yes.
Matt (22:17.884)
changed it up and made it seem interesting.
Luciano (22:18.703)
The whole thing with Dementis' crew being essentially biker gangs together, like him bringing together several biker gangs under his sage tutelage, let's call it. And it being different than Immortan Joe's stuff, which is like with cars
Matt (22:37.7)
Luciano (22:45.367)
like heavier, I thought that was cool. And honestly, the parts of this movie that I enjoyed the most were the parts that were essentially disconnected from Fury Road, like the mantis and all that stuff, right? Even the war rig, if you look at the war rig from Fury Road now, it's like, wait, so that, the thing that we saw here is the prototype and then the actual one is this disappointing thing now?
Matt (22:48.445)
Right.
Luciano (23:15.777)
Yes.
Matt (23:15.848)
I like to think of it as they went all out and it was immediately destroyed. They can't be arsed to do it. We wasted all of our materials on that one cool one and it got destroyed, so fuck
Luciano (23:20.683)
And they were like, fuck, we don't have the money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Chris (23:28.172)
We gotta water it down next time. We don't have the same budget. Which sounds also
Luciano (23:29.893)
It's a good explanation as any.
Yeah. In fact, was enjoying this movie. so I was watching the movie and I paused because it was like, I don't remember why exactly, but I remember seeing a scene. I was like, yeah, this happened in Fury Road. And then I went to kind of revisit Fury Road because I saw it in the theaters at the time and never again. And after I remembered stuff from Fury Road, I started to enjoy this movie less because it was like, this is so forced now.
Matt (23:58.28)
Yeah, I could do
Luciano (24:01.882)
why are they touching heads all the time? Fuck you with this shit. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, was she driving it? I think so. Yeah.
Matt (24:04.273)
In some ways, having nine years between you, it's just like you just remember the broad strokes. So Furiosa was who now? The chick that drove the transport truck? All right, cool.
Chris (24:09.562)
game.
Matt (24:17.936)
Yeah. I think, yeah. So, yeah. Right. Cause we go back and refresh like, not, not for me. It's just the whole, mean, I don't want to go into it anymore, but the whole, the whole meeting period was to be about like her entire life, but tying everything that happened in her life to like this small little area of the world was boring.
Luciano (24:39.161)
It's so unnecessary to show her coming from completely outside of the wasteland, right? Some other place that is different.
Matt (24:45.234)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, anything.
Chris (24:48.122)
To be honest, be honest, anything is good. It would have been great. Like, I feel like the place of abundance and just the flash that we got of it is such a missed opportunity. Like, how'd they get there? Like, how did they defend themselves?
Luciano (25:01.783)
Why is it still, yeah, yeah. You can tell that there were ideas, which I'm sure is like George Miller had even before this movie, he had some like, because you could read it on fandom .com, our main sponsor. You can find on the Wiki, there's stuff about all of these places and the groups of people.
But then he falls into, and we've talked about this a bunch of times in the podcast, they fall onto the, he falls onto the slippery slope of, let's call it explaining the coins from John Wick. It's the same thing, right? So he doesn't do it with everything, but he did with a lot of things in this movie and the explanations were garbage. Like the whole thing with her arm, right? It was cool.
Chris (25:52.42)
Yeah, did she chew it off or like was just damaged enough? How'd that happen?
Luciano (25:55.035)
Well, don't get me started on that fucking like how did how did she stealth self dismember? That is the very first time I've ever seen someone like rip their own arm off and a bunch of bikers circling her didn't see it. It's fucking insane that that
Matt (26:11.964)
I also don't remember seeing the arm ever looking like it was so messed up that she needed or could do
Luciano (26:19.479)
Yeah. yeah. How did she what like, she just has that much willpower. Come on. That's not how that works.
Chris (26:26.704)
Cause like it was crushed between the two vehicles, like the forearm, sorry, but like you need, you still need like the mental fortitude, not that she didn't have it, but you got to get through the rest of that and you need time. And it didn't seem like she had enough to do that, but okay.
Matt (26:31.068)
Yeah, the forearm.
Luciano (26:43.105)
Yeah. And there were people all around
Chris (26:48.558)
Was it the dust cloud with all the torture of Pretoria and Jack gave her some cover? I know, but it was like they were kicking up their own sandstorm as a result.
Luciano (26:55.255)
Well, he was dead by that point probably, but
And like, Dementa's just fucking sitting in the hood of the car doing nothing. Like, that whole scene was so gratuitous just to show how she actually lost the arm when there were so much better ways of doing it. And this actually, this ties back to the point that we were making before is, okay, she has to lose the arm, right? But we don't necessarily need to know how, right? Yeah.
Chris (27:24.754)
And it's not all that. It's not even it's not even. It's it's it it isn't isn't it's anticlimactic like it's a tense scene, but it there's no payoff like this is it. We have to get rid of the roar. So this is how we did
Luciano (27:29.729)
It's not all that cool, right?
Luciano (27:34.719)
Exactly.
Matt (27:39.752)
Do you think that they over thought themselves by having her draw the map to the place of abundance on her arm? And then
Luciano (27:47.211)
yeah, that was such a, that was such a like an obvious thing.
Matt (27:51.898)
Right? And then it's like, okay, well now we all think that like someone's gonna chop it off to get the arm. And then they were trying to like, we can't do that because it's too obvious. We gotta subvert their expectations. I know, let's just have it rubbed on by a monster truck wheel. And then she rips it off because I'll be badass. I'm like, yeah.
Luciano (27:56.535)
That's what I thought,
Luciano (28:09.876)
So that's the thing, the heavy it crushed against the monster truck is actually a cool twist. Cause I was for, I was sure fucking Immortan Joe or maybe one of the sons was going to chop it off or even Dementus at that point. And, and it's like, so that's how she loses the arm.
And then she shows it with mangled. I'm like, this is going to be like after everything is done, they're going to see, okay, we can't save it. Let's chop it off. What? did she She chew it off? What is this? What the fuck? Is this the prequel to saw as well? Is that what's happening here?
Chris (28:51.482)
You know, I have more respect for young Furiosa compared to like, like Anna Furiosa, cause kid Furiosa, middle -aged, I don't know. I respect, I respect beginning and end Furiosa more than the middle Furiosa. Kid Furiosa was badass. And like, that was a really, really great setup and the momentum. That's why I was okay with it. And I was like, okay, now.
Matt (29:00.681)
Meh, middle -aged Furiosa.
Luciano (29:02.563)
In the wasteland, might as well be.
Matt (29:08.456)
If you are, sir.
Luciano (29:10.142)
Right, right.
True.
Chris (29:19.93)
I wonder when Anna Taylor -Joy is gonna take over. And I didn't care by that point, but you're right. Yes, it was long, but at the same time, they gave Kid Furiosa, Kid F, so much time to establish and show her grit and determination. Yes! And she murdered, and Kid F murdered ToeJam before he could speak about the place of, that was, she stole the show. Kid Furiosa stole the show.
Luciano (29:22.199)
Mm -hmm.
Luciano (29:34.817)
And she pulled it off, right? The actress pulled it off really well,
Luciano (29:43.915)
Yeah, that was fucking great. I forgot about that. That scene was fucking awesome. And even her mom goes, good, yeah, good, you're not gentrifying my neighborhood. That's what she said. That's what she said to him when she did that. Even her mom goes, good girl. It was like, yeah, yeah, you're right, yeah.
Chris (29:49.378)
in that sense.
They didn't even show it and still was, but she's like, no, you keep my neighborhood out named out your mouth.
Chris (30:02.296)
Yeah, Starbucks.
Dementus Bucks. See?
Matt (30:08.72)
Yeah. Yeah, you are right. that's, mean, that's the frustration with this movie is that like, it's not that you it's certainly it's that you pick Fiora. So, but it's not in the same breath. It's not the epic Fiora says that you gain. It's the it's the disease of the trap of the prequels. Like, well, everything, everything that happened in Fiora's life is tied to her being where I need her to be
Fury Road and it's just like, it's such a stupid, no one's life works like that. No one's life is like, well, I was a kid and then I got stolen and then I lived with this weird guy for like two years and then I got sold into slavery to be some dude's wife and I didn't want to do that. So I hid and then I just stayed in his crew working until they spotted me and I could move up in the organization and work for him full time. And then at the end.
Luciano (30:40.193)
Yeah.
Luciano (31:03.511)
without anybody being the wiser, are we getting to the point where we're gonna segue into, yeah.
Chris (31:03.728)
That is the worst.
Matt (31:08.347)
We are.
Chris (31:08.464)
That's actually the, yes, but that's also the best, that's the best explanation of both the hiring process and promotion process of one target core, target code. That's how you do
Matt (31:22.204)
That's a good segue into the third section of our podcast where I would ask how is a more than Joe's empire like Target, but we're not there yet. So, you pick. RIP sellers. But we're doing plot holes first. And I think the biggest plot hole we noticed in this movie, or I noticed and we all agreed. So we all noticed and we all agreed. I don't know, words. How do they work? But back to the point.
Chris (31:28.698)
Yeah. Or zealors.
Luciano (31:29.187)
RCVS.
Chris (31:48.004)
Hmm. Real questions.
Matt (31:51.28)
So Furiosa gets sold to a more than Joe as a child, as part of the deal for Dementis to become the Lord of Gastown, as he calls himself. And so then she's acquired to be a wife because the, what's the medical doctor's name?
Chris (32:00.496)
Yes. Yeah.
Luciano (32:07.413)
Organic Mechanic, the best fucking title in this whole movie.
Chris (32:09.23)
Yeah.
Matt (32:10.908)
perfect, best, easily the best that's perfect. He checks her out and it's like, yeah, she's perfect. So obviously now we know that Immortan Joe wants to keep her around as a wife because he is trying to have a legitimate son, not Scribdors and Rictus, and having someone who is...
Luciano (32:28.033)
Yeah, he wants to have a son that isn't a ballsack or a dick. Yeah.
Matt (32:32.288)
Yeah, exactly. So in the section, like, so we know why he keeps her, right? And so this is where it all falls apart because he has a great reason to keep her and keep an eye on her. She vanishes and essentially there's no follow up to the vanishing. I understand that Rictus might be might not go tell his dad that he lost his dad's, you know, most promising mate. But someone would go down and be like, hey, where's the little girl? We got one little girl.
Luciano (32:52.802)
Yes.
Chris (32:59.472)
Where's the new kid? Yeah.
Luciano (33:00.723)
that was the whole... Okay, so all of these bikers came here, threatened us, fucking held the former guardian of Gastown, not even at gunpoint, but at like fucking pike point? I don't know what that was, like that spring -loaded contraption, yeah. We agreed to give them more of the things...
Chris (33:18.47)
Contraption, spring loaded contraption point.
Luciano (33:28.557)
for in like, we agreed to basically pay them more, right? In exchange for this girl, she disappears within like what a couple of days that she was sold. And nobody goes, huh, where is that girl that we basically bought with like, some of our lively fucking hood, like what's happening here? No, no, just disappeared. well, one more falls through the cracks. Like,
Chris (33:42.768)
Yep, that's right.
Chris (33:52.272)
The only currency and resources we
Worth a damn.
Luciano (33:59.585)
Yeah, it makes no sense. I was immediately like when... The first thing that got me was the plan of her chopping off her hair and making a wig. Like all of that in the space of a night. Like she notices that Rictus likes her hair. So she's like, I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to pretend I have hair. And then when he touches it, I run away. What kind of a fucking plan was that? Yeah.
Chris (34:09.804)
Yeah, the first time in constructing a wig.
Chris (34:24.036)
and then he won't be able to find me. I mean, her plan was to go blend, she observed all these bald war boys. I guess her plan was to go and like mel, what is it? Blend into the crowd kind of thing.
Luciano (34:37.195)
Right, but she wasn't even actually completely bald. And she didn't even try to be a warboy. She just like disguised herself, I'm using air quotes here, disguised herself as a boy by dressing in baggy clothes, I guess? And nobody recognized her?
Matt (34:54.076)
Yeah. Hey man, that's worked in every movie. Worked for Mulan, good enough
Chris (35:00.794)
That's right. Worked in, what's it? She's the Man, Amanda Bynes. What else? Probably. That's another movie.
Matt (35:05.202)
Yeah, there you
Luciano (35:05.897)
no, yeah, she's the man.
Matt (35:09.416)
It's all good. it is, yeah. But like, you know, so like that's the thing, right? Like she hides. so I said this to my wife earlier, because we were talking, she watched a movie and we were talking about it. In this movie, it's like they do no, they make no effort to really hide that Taylor -Joy is a very attractive woman. Like yes, she shaves her head, but like.
Luciano (35:17.997)
Hite, air quotes
Luciano (35:33.933)
Yeah.
Matt (35:36.326)
You see the picture of her after she's, when she start, it's around when she starts to make her plan around the war rig and the escape. And you see her face full on and it's like, it is the most feminine constructed, just obviously pretty cute face I've ever seen, like of all the people you see at the Citadel. And it's like, so even.
Luciano (35:57.772)
Especially juxtaposed to like the people that she was around. Right, there was a bunch of
Matt (36:01.676)
Right just the guy who had that old guy who had the car for her to take like he was fucked up and So I bring this up because even if you are willing to say that They just looked and they look really hard and they could never find her And it was impossible and we just don't want to show that because a runtime whatever She's still an attractive woman on the compound that you would be like you was like,
Luciano (36:06.761)
Yeah, exactly.
Matt (36:29.478)
You'd look twice and then would you not click into the fact that that bears a striking resemblance to the child you lost seven, ten years
Luciano (36:38.445)
Yeah, and even if you didn't, wouldn't you then call the organic mechanic again and say, hey, she looks pretty. Go take a look at her. She has all her teeth or whatever.
Chris (36:39.375)
Hmm.
Matt (36:45.362)
What about her? What's her deal?
Chris (36:48.708)
Yeah inspection
Matt (36:50.982)
Yeah, and none of that has ever explained it and yeah, so it's like it's it's not it was one of those things Yeah, all right fine dispension of disbelief. You gotta live give some leeway on the story They only ever like one time have rictus almost like pulled on her mask and then scrotus like ruins that which okay I see you tried but like you had like it's the movies fault for having her show up there as a child Because they had like eight years, I don't know what the time
Luciano (36:53.57)
Yeah.
Matt (37:20.508)
time span is between those they have years to like spot her and look for her to figure it out and one scene of it not working it doesn't it doesn't catch and then she at the end the movie she's talking to everybody she has her fate mask off and she's
Luciano (37:31.329)
Yeah.
Luciano (37:36.219)
Yeah, no, but she has long hair and now she's an adult completely different from the girl She actually they did a good job of doing the casting. So she actually looks a little bit like the girl there Nobody in that in that board of directors. I don't know cabal of weirdos, whatever you want to call that That none of them goes huh? What you're familiar I guess the the painting on the forehead is like Superman's glasses,
Chris (38:04.962)
Yeah, the Clark Kent effect. man.
Luciano (38:06.955)
Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's like it was very I was like, I was sure that Pretoria and Jack was going to have to fight for like when they brought her back because she tries to stow away, right? That's the whole thing immediately fails because she's underneath the thing and all the food goes away. I was so sad. was like, that was a good plan. And it goes
Matt (38:23.186)
Yes.
Luciano (38:32.875)
And then she like saves them, which that was by the way, my favorite scene. Obviously that first chase scene was great. And she like tries to fuck over Pretarion Jack. He takes her into his wing, blah, blah, blah. So I was like, okay, so they're in the road. Nobody knows. He gets to make his decisions, but when he brings her back, there's gonna be hell to pay. No, he was like, who are you again? What's your name? My name
Chris (38:36.89)
That worked out.
Luciano (39:01.495)
James, they were like, okay, James, girl, James, sure.
Matt (39:04.904)
yeah, thank you. Yeah. It's gotta be, you know, Roman ish, right? So, Jorjosa works fine. Thank
Chris (39:05.022)
Juryosa
Luciano (39:13.155)
And then, okay, now I'm just thinking about this too, because in Martin Joe clearly calls her Furiosa in the first movie, right? So he knows it's her. Or does he think her name is little D?
Matt (39:29.98)
Hey, does he call her fear for your essay in this movie like as a child? Yeah, okay, so he has no idea
Luciano (39:32.787)
No, I don't think so. Yeah. He thinks her name is Little D.
Chris (39:38.826)
is the best alias ever. Sheet like little d is
Luciano (39:41.443)
Well, I'm 100 % sure Chris Hemsworth ad -libbed that and they left it
Chris (39:47.48)
Little D is the best alias you can have as a burgeoning rapper in the Citadel.
Luciano (39:56.579)
Yeah, it will be Lil D not little D Lil D, Ill D,
Chris (40:01.942)
Lil D, Lil D. But this is post -apocalyptic, like they gotta hold on to something, so you're Lil D.
Matt (40:06.834)
Yeah, they literally only know to call gasoline guzzling.
Luciano (40:07.11)
That's fair. That's fair.
Luciano (40:11.447)
Guzzle, yeah. Well, my favorite, my favorite, not anachronism, but like new, like made up new term is word burger.
Chris (40:11.46)
See? And thanks to the historic history man.
Chris (40:20.888)
Yeah, thanks to one history. Well, you see, the etymology of little d comes from, from, from run DMC. And so when you think about the structure and the, and the arc of the sounds that the words that are making, little d is nothing is far from little because her heart and her rap prowess is gigantic. You might say
Luciano (40:22.593)
History man, what burger please?
Matt (40:25.544)
Ha ha ha.
Luciano (40:38.242)
Man.
Luciano (40:46.115)
She has Big D energy. Yeah. I would have paid good money to see that old dude talking about Run DMC and Big D energy.
Chris (40:48.043)
Well, there you go. And that's the play on words, Word Burger complete.
Matt (40:59.534)
Right?
Chris (40:59.558)
But now people know the listeners don't have to because we brought you that content we brought you the
Luciano (41:05.067)
There you go.
Matt (41:07.56)
We do bring the art so in this scenario where we're We're furious being the plot hole the fact that no one Really cares or doesn't the abode are escaping I? Think we've covered all the instances where it gets it on It's pretty much as soon as she escapes no one ever figures out anything or does anything
Chris (41:26.275)
Thank
Luciano (41:26.977)
Yeah, she has some sort of like invisibility superpower,
Chris (41:29.294)
invisibility cloak. Yes.
Matt (41:31.664)
Yeah. I also think it would have helped a little bit if literally any other woman was involved in the Citadel in any way or what she was doing at the Citadel. Just so it's like, yeah, there are women here. It's just, know, the more picks the ones of the finest stock, not
Luciano (41:50.123)
Well, she was hiding as a boy. She was pretending to be a boy, right? And I don't know what happened when she grew breasts and started having her period.
Matt (41:54.908)
Sure, but that's part of the problem.
Listen, we're not gonna go there because we're
Chris (42:02.907)
She bound, it looks like she was binding a bit of her chest.
Luciano (42:05.197)
That's fair. Yeah, we're there.
Matt (42:05.858)
We're going there, okay.
Chris (42:09.338)
That's all, that's all I have to say.
Matt (42:11.058)
But you know, so that's fine, she solved those problems, I guess. But it's the idea that like, he doesn't have any women doing anything, right? They're not war people, they're war boys. But even all the slaves that like, you know, where she hides, everyone's a dude. But like, and I'm sure that meant something for Fury Road, like it's just how Morgzow runs his, you know, his little dictator, blah, blah.
If you're going to sell me the story that fear is a hidden plain sight, you got to show that there's a much greater likelihood that it's easy for her to hide because she's not the only woman floating
Chris (42:44.762)
You gotta do better than that.
Luciano (42:55.356)
or do a better job of showing how she went about hiding that she's a woman.
Chris (42:55.482)
Which is true.
Matt (43:01.276)
Right, also good.
Chris (43:02.254)
Like once again, once again proving that little D has bigger dick energy than middle D. And the Immortan Joe's Citadel did a piss poor job to your point, Matt, of juxtaposing different roles, different hierarchies compared to Dementus' camp.
And there was more presence of male and female and everyone and whatever. Like they were part of
Matt (43:29.33)
Right.
Luciano (43:32.547)
Are you saying that at least the Mentes gang was egalitarian? that what you're saying? It's true. Okay, no, you're right. we see, you know, there was the woman who I learned after the movie was called Sad Eyes, who was taking care of her. The one that her mom doesn't kill is called, her name is Sad Eyes for whatever reason. Should have,
Matt (43:39.876)
Equal opportunity employer.
Chris (43:40.422)
I think that's where I'm going with that.
Chris (43:52.426)
Aww. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was Mr. Norton played once again by Elsa Pataki. She played two roles. Good for her.
Matt (43:57.672)
should have.
Luciano (44:04.887)
by Elsa Pataki, yeah. Well, so does Immortan Joe, right? Immortan Joe plays Immortan Joe and the guy that doesn't have an eye. Yeah, that's him, yeah. There's like three or four people that do double duty in this movie.
Chris (44:13.584)
Really, that was him? okay, cool, cool,
really seems like a tight -knit crew, which I gotta respect.
Luciano (44:22.369)
Yeah, I think it's a fun thing to do, right? And Elsa Pataki did a great job. I did not recognize her as Mr. Norton.
Matt (44:27.484)
Yeah, I mean,
Chris (44:30.461)
yeah. Yeah, I saw her, but yeah. I was like, wait, it is.
Matt (44:32.241)
No, not at
Yeah, so like I mean, this is the thing with the movie, so you have this massively glaring large plot hole in my estimation of just not... because everything is wrapped around the idea that she's just hiding in plain sight for reasons that did not need to happen.
Luciano (44:51.735)
Yeah, they did not show their work either on it.
Matt (44:54.948)
No, that's the thing. In storytelling, you hope, and I'm not saying we're a better storyteller than George Miller, I highly doubt it, but when you cut this movie together, the story you're given is just disjointed. It's like, if you're telling a friend, it's like, so this real life person did all these things and your friend's just like, so she shows up to the Citadel, okay, and then what happens? Like she escaped, good, but where'd she go? She stayed.
Luciano (45:21.655)
Well, she stayed. Yeah. How did she hide? she didn't hide. Just change jobs. Pretend to be a boy. so she like went through the trouble of like trying to walk like a boy and talk like with the deeper. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's so many things. And nobody caught her. No.
Chris (45:24.102)
She was there. Some stuff.
Matt (45:24.156)
What did she do? Don't worry about it. It's not important to the story.
Chris (45:30.51)
Yeah. Changed jobs. Career pivoted, you might say.
Matt (45:32.456)
Okay.
Matt (45:41.576)
Don't worry about that. important. And how long was she there for? Like 8 to 10 years. What?
Chris (45:46.468)
Yeah.
Matt (45:51.25)
No.
Luciano (45:51.371)
And you're saying she was like probably the prize bride of this warlord. Yep. And nobody cared that she escaped.
Chris (45:58.149)
Yeah.
Matt (45:58.344)
I mean they cared but they didn't she didn't really mention it. Yeah, not generally mentioned it in the story. So, I don't know. I didn't I didn't ask any follow -up questions
Chris (46:02.84)
Not that much. Like not enough to like, not enough to give chase, real chase.
Luciano (46:03.894)
Did they?
Luciano (46:12.011)
by the way, the place where he keeps his brides is a literal fucking vault. With a vault door. And she escaped that. Yep. And nobody cared. Nope.
Matt (46:22.746)
And no, that's no, that, Rick just did that. Rick just came and got
Chris (46:25.926)
True.
Luciano (46:26.871)
fair. No, but I mean the the symbology or the symbolism of keeping people in a fucking vault, right in a place that looks like markedly better than everywhere else in that fucking citadel, right? It's like, okay, this is a precious commodity for him, right? And we can talk we can set aside the time to talk about, you know, seeing women as commodities, which I'm more than Joe absolutely did.
Matt (46:40.924)
Right.
Luciano (46:55.723)
right in both movies. But like he was at least treating them with like, okay, I think you're precious. I'm going to treat you as something precious, even though I don't consider you human. But then she escapes and they go, well, one more through the cracks.
Matt (47:05.384)
Sure, property,
Matt (47:12.07)
It is, it is, it's just an interesting choice to not fill in all that part of her story, like based on the story, like the structure they built. It's like, we're going to spend a lot of time with her. You she gets taken from this place and her, she has a no good, very bad week or two. And then she ends up in the Citadel and we're just going to skip ahead. It's like, it's like, this is weird, but like they should have just shown her mom dying as a flashback.
Luciano (47:27.939)
Yeah.
Matt (47:41.114)
instead of an inline story beat or story plot point to the overall story because it was too much time just farting around.
Luciano (47:50.901)
Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. Like they could have cut bits and pieces of the time from, I guess, before she ends up in the Citadel. Right. And then show me a little bit more the time between her being escaping because Richter is an idiot and her being able to even come back. Like I was fine with the way that she was, let's say, promoted to dog man. I think it was that they called, right. With the gloves.
Matt (48:15.858)
Yep.
Luciano (48:19.171)
I was fine with like her stepping up and doing something nobody else could and being promoted. That was fine. But like, we needed about, I don't know, like 30 minutes of, of, play time where they showed her almost getting caught and learning how to pretend she's not a woman and all that stuff. Yeah. Like, learning to fight because she just is instantly good in the rig as well. Right. We could have used that time to like establish why.
Chris (48:31.28)
Yeah. Yep.
evasiveness.
Matt (48:42.856)
Yeah.
Chris (48:45.84)
That was for a good old little D to little to middle D montage.
Luciano (48:52.023)
to Big D. Yeah, no, like, show me how she became Big D. That's what I wanna know.
Chris (48:56.036)
Yeah. Sad. Sad eyes.
Matt (49:00.338)
So given what we're we're shown.
Luciano (49:01.955)
I see what you did there.
Matt (49:07.474)
how do we, and I wanna challenge us here a bit, how do we fix this? How do we improve this in the framework of the movie that they've given us, right? So we can't just be like, don't talk about Furiosa at all or like Furiosas on fucking New Zealand Island for, you
Chris (49:10.01)
How do we fix it?
Luciano (49:23.041)
Yeah.
Luciano (49:27.861)
I thought of that too. Like if Australia is the wasteland, what is New Zealand?
Matt (49:32.134)
Yeah, maybe that's the land of abundance and there's no ocean anymore. but my point is like, take the frameworks that George has given us. Within this framework, we talked a bit about it, but how do we meaningfully solve it? Like you guys gave the one example of like show her, you know, doing stuff, show her learning how to live within the Citadel would have been one way. Are there other ways that we can fix this and make it still the level of Mad Max?
Chris (49:35.002)
Maybe that's where it is.
Luciano (49:35.139)
there you
Chris (49:58.48)
I think like real quick, I think she needs another mentor and like we're afforded that because the movie's chopped up into chapters. So whatever chapter, I can't remember what chapter this is, but while she's evading and trying, she's still a kid. Like where do you get that education? She needs a new mentor for
Luciano (50:16.665)
I like that idea. You know what? She could have found another woman pretending there was a man, teach her the ropes. Like she just, you know, she has, let's say, we were talking about her becoming a woman from a girl to a woman, like, and all the obvious things that happen. And she's like desperate, like, my God, I'm bleeding. I don't know why I'm bleeding. Maybe, you know, and then you don't have to see it. You can just tell that story.
Chris (50:25.043)
Yes! Yes!
Chris (50:39.834)
Correct!
Matt (50:40.626)
Hey man, no one wants to see that, okay?
Chris (50:44.228)
But the lessons would be shared. it could have gone.
Matt (50:49.074)
The American public is not ready to have people openly discuss how to hide their periods on
Luciano (50:49.112)
Thank
Luciano (50:54.667)
You don't have to do that. can just say, it'd just be a throw away thing. No, you can just be a, let me, let me tell you. Like, so we see that mentor, we see that mentor that Chris was talking about. And you know, as a conversation piece and say, you learned me how to hide, you taught me how to hide that I'm a woman. And you know, the things that happen every month. There, done. That's it. That's it.
Matt (50:57.434)
You keep bringing
Chris (51:02.543)
Let him cook. Let him cook.
Matt (51:17.638)
Yeah, you said this all already. I just stopped talking about women's periods and boobs so much.
Luciano (51:23.819)
Why? Are you getting grossed out? Are you the American?
Chris (51:24.878)
It sounded okay, but you were.
Matt (51:28.334)
No, but it's just a weird thing to show, talk about in a movie as part of your plot points.
Luciano (51:33.28)
Well, but it's okay. So the reason why I'm bringing those things up, the reason why I'm bringing this up is we could have used another woman who's pretending to be a man so she can work on the stuff instead of being, you know, a bride or relegated to the maggot police or whatever the fuck that was.
Chris (51:34.84)
Yes and no, you you he he broke it down. He broke it down. So neck. So that's a vase.
Matt (51:35.078)
I - we understand the overarching thing.
Chris (51:43.802)
Yes, right.
Chris (51:50.883)
Ooh, you just hit something. What if there was another, the mentor was another escaped
Luciano (51:56.491)
Yeah, sure. And then she teaches kind of the ropes of what she did and she's like someone for you also can trust and all that stuff. Right. And I like that the idea of a comment or there in that sense.
Chris (51:58.534)
Pretty, pretty, pretty something.
Chris (52:11.034)
That could, there's a lot you can do with it. yeah. There's also, did you guys have other ideas? I was gonna say something else. Cool. Cause like apart from like evasiveness and so on, like the parallel here reminds me an awful lot of like the Count of Monte Cristo or the Legend of Zorro where like the mentor figure learns the protege or whatever really, really well.
Luciano (52:19.532)
go ahead. Yeah.
Matt (52:20.008)
speak.
Chris (52:40.836)
So this mentor doesn't have to teach Furiosa everything, but enough to survive in the Citadel and to help her hatch a plan because maybe this mentor is like usually mentor figures like these are in up upper years and about to like pass on. like, or like, I don't want to make it too easy for Furiosa, but like one idea that I used to think of was like to do this or to do that. And maybe she modifies it or maybe she takes inspiration and comes up with her
But then we have that mentor and then in a way, Praetorium Jack was a different mentor. So they already established that pattern later
Matt (53:16.146)
We don't want to talk about Breitore and Jack's mentorship because they hook up, Unnecessary. Like, I understand,
Chris (53:19.758)
All I'm saying is that it's an example. Yes, but
Luciano (53:22.147)
Yeah, very, very quickly too. Yeah, completely. 100 % necessary.
Matt (53:30.6)
But yes, Chris, I think that is, I mean, and I understand the want to maybe tell different stories and so a mentor figure feels like you're trotting over the same stuff, but it's probably better than just waving your hand. You could have done 15 minutes, 10 minutes, and I would have connected all the dots.
Luciano (53:45.185)
Yeah. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. It doesn't have to be a whole thing, And even it could be that she took on having another mentor so quickly because she felt like safe when she had the first mentor.
Chris (53:52.666)
Yeah, and what a challenge go ahead go
Matt (54:05.704)
She didn't have to trust the mentor, she's got nowhere to run, nothing to do in situations, so she's forced to trust
Luciano (54:10.829)
Well, yeah, but she did. She did trust him in the end way too quickly, right?
Matt (54:15.408)
Jack yeah, no, but I mean just like it's fine. You could you can you can wash away like the first mentor She just doesn't warm up to forever, but they've got eight years. So eventually she you know She's forced to and like Praetoria and Jack is like barely a mentor
Luciano (54:32.649)
Yeah, he's like he's a boss at the most.
Matt (54:34.055)
And we'll speak.
Chris (54:38.086)
casting couch. anyways, the, the, was going to say with, Lord. I was going to say that with like the first Metor 2, like eight years is a long time. And most likely they would have had, they would have had actual conversations. Not that we need to see it, but I mean, from a storytelling standpoint, I think it would have been really cool if it was all told silently and it's just like pointing things out and the lessons don't require dialogue because
Luciano (54:40.02)
Some more little D energy.
Chris (55:07.898)
We just need the justification of the absorption of those skills and lessons,
Luciano (55:09.869)
Yeah. You could have used that mentorship thing, however long it was, to show how she basically learned how to become another person. And maybe she could have had another name that wasn't fucking Furiosa, and she gives, like the mentor gives her the name Furiosa for some reason, right?
Chris (55:18.522)
Chris (55:28.057)
Okay, okay.
Chris (55:32.669)
Mmm as a pope and
Matt (55:33.852)
Yeah, it's a nickname that she gives her the first time she sees her fly off the handle and like kill somebody or something crazy. She's like, wow, you're really angry. I'm going to call you Furiosa.
Luciano (55:37.985)
Yeah, there you
Luciano (55:43.191)
Yeah, there you go. Right.
Chris (55:43.642)
Yeah, and there's even like it does and like not to Depending on like the scope and side like t -shirt size of this like jerk this like citadel journey Maybe who says it has to all land on the shoulders of one mentor
Luciano (55:58.691)
No, now you're being Zack Snyder. Take a step back. One mentor is okay. You want the Justice League of the Wasteland to be her mentor? Come on.
Chris (56:03.652)
I'm not saying it needs to be a... Okay, sure, if there's one and then there's things that Furiosa learns on her own.
Matt (56:07.229)
I just wanna
Matt (56:11.432)
Yeah, I just need to explain how she goes from being like a 10 year old to an 18 year old and even though she's hiding in the belly of the beast, nothing ever happens to
Chris (56:13.347)
I didn't say
Luciano (56:16.963)
an 18 year old.
Luciano (56:22.325)
Yeah, yeah. I think a mentor figure there kind of teaching her how she did it and the whole, you know, I had to learn the hard way, but I'm going to teach you my ways or whatever.
Matt (56:32.808)
Yeah, and then you can, know, it's like 10, 15 minutes is just enough to connect all those dots. And then you're back into whatever the rest of this movie is.
Chris (56:33.486)
be a ghost.
Chris (56:41.796)
Because clearly Furiosa has has the potential in the beginning when she's like she grabs the peach and she tells Valkyrie be invisible. No, motherfucker, I'm telling you, be invisible. And then she tries to climb down and then her chain clink clanks on the rock. She's like, be invisible noise.
Luciano (56:59.029)
She's just like hides like she crouches and hides like I'm not here. I'm not here. I'm not here Yeah Yeah, John Cena that shit. Yeah. Yeah
Chris (57:07.276)
You can't see the John Cena
Matt (57:13.193)
I think that would have solved all the problems. All right, so we solved the problem for George.
Luciano (57:18.211)
Anyway, I just imagined the scene of her telling Felke, be invisible, and like the Raiders walk in and she goes, not here motherfucker! Yeah.
Chris (57:28.614)
And then bounces off the turn, the turn, the, the, the top rope.
Luciano (57:38.996)
that would have been great. Yeah.
Chris (57:40.808)
I would have preferred that,
Matt (57:44.786)
So we've answered the question, we saw the wrong for George. Let's ask some questions that are more interesting about the rest of the movie to fill out the rest of the story that George refuses to tell us. And then these can be entered into Wikipedia all the time as being true facts of the Mad Max world.
Chris (57:45.86)
Yes. Yes we did. He needs to
Luciano (57:48.749)
Sure.
after a fashion.
Chris (58:07.169)
what did they do to my movie?
Matt (58:11.1)
First question, easy one, simple. Keep it light, keep it positive. What happened to Tementus's
Luciano (58:17.507)
I see why you prefaced it. Keep it light. Don't bum everybody out. What happened to his
Chris (58:22.405)
ask.
Chris (58:25.755)
Yes.
Chris (58:30.096)
think there's, I think that there was, Dementis used to be, he had a different job before the role of Dementis and he had a different job. So he's probably like, hmm.
Matt (58:41.778)
I fucking hope
Matt (58:45.458)
So sorry Chris, he didn't ride the motor tricycle around when it wasn't the apocalypse just up and down the street. Free co -ocos, thank you. Hey man, Chris isn't done. I was just asking him a question. What do I cook? You can have your own turn.
Chris (58:51.908)
Well, pre
Luciano (58:52.611)
I would like to think, I think I would like to think that he would, he, all right, fine, fine. I was going to say he did write it, but okay. All
Chris (59:04.262)
Yeah, he did. Before he before he before Dementis, the Dementis arc, he ran a grocery store, right? And it was it was an honorable job. He was part of the community. da da da da. People knew him. He knew people. The regulars took care of the elderly and stuff like that. But his wife and children were neglected at home. He was clocking too many hours in the in the grocery store. And
when you ignore your family, some people see that as an opportunity to attain what they never had. Enter Jared Scrotius, an oil magnate from New Zealand.
Luciano (59:44.129)
Okay?
Matt (59:49.266)
Great, hey, can you tie the apocalypse into this at
Chris (59:53.678)
I can try. And so when the apocalypse took place, yeah, so when it took place.
Matt (59:56.242)
Thanks. Nice. Well done. So that's a weird George Miller story writing energy right there.
Luciano (01:00:03.541)
Yeah, yeah.
Chris (01:00:04.982)
So when the apocalypse took place Jared whisked his family Just like a smash burger you got to put the thumb in the middle Yeah Would so Jared just essentially stole the family away to to another another sequestered region that that was you know bound and and flourishing with with resources and so and and as a result when
Luciano (01:00:07.809)
It's a, it's a smash cut storytelling is what it's called.
Chris (01:00:34.351)
pre Dementis we don't really have a name for him let's call
Matt (01:00:36.648)
Apothecarius based on his being a grocer.
Luciano (01:00:39.671)
Yeah, yes, it would be apothecarius.
Chris (01:00:41.136)
Thank you, Apothecarius. He comes home and finds a dear John, a dear apocalyptic John letter where it's written in blood and so he thinks his family is dead and that sets him off the edge.
Matt (01:00:54.12)
Dear Apokojan, Apokojan, I have left you. Apokojan.
Chris (01:00:56.152)
Apokojohn. Apokojohn. Apokojohn. The curse, the the Ozzie.
Luciano (01:01:01.283)
does he have the curse of chemical?
Matt (01:01:04.616)
This is Australia, no thank you sir.
Luciano (01:01:09.681)
Hahaha!
Matt (01:01:10.646)
Moving on Luciano you may now
Luciano (01:01:15.191)
No, I was just going to interject that I think he rode the bike area to work every day. And I would venture to say that he cared more about his bike area than he did about his family. And that's what called his wife. Melanoma. Yeah, that's her name. I don't know why.
Chris (01:01:24.134)
Bikariat.
Chris (01:01:31.98)
Ooh. Ooh.
Chris (01:01:40.422)
Spirit away. MELLON
Matt (01:01:43.88)
That's really, that's what I go with.
Luciano (01:01:45.323)
I don't know why. It was the first weird word that came to my mind.
Matt (01:01:48.7)
She doesn't have to be like Greek or Roma or anything. She could have a regular
Chris (01:01:53.798)
pre -apocalypse.
Luciano (01:01:53.943)
That, mean, that's okay. her pre -apocalyptic, that's her name. Yes. Melanoma is only for friends for close friends. So pre -apocalyptic, she, she kind of, you know, felt jealous of the bike area and, and, yeah, yeah. He had a four way with those bikes every time. And, yeah, I think that that was part of why he lost his family. And I, you
Matt (01:01:55.816)
Pre -apocalyptic?
Chris (01:01:57.638)
pre -apocalypse.
Chris (01:02:02.709)
Ooh, that's the bedroom name.
Matt (01:02:02.855)
Yeah.
Chris (01:02:09.83)
That's three bikes.
Chris (01:02:16.752)
Vroom
Luciano (01:02:23.703)
He thinks, cause he's demented, hence the name, so he thinks that they're dead, but really they just moved to New Zealand. In my head, Mad Max is only Australia. Everywhere else in the world is fine. It's just Australia that's fucked.
Matt (01:02:36.39)
Right. Sure. mean, most of Australia is already just an apocalyptic wasteland. So, yeah, it's the first one to
Luciano (01:02:42.976)
Yeah, it is just a natural evolution.
Chris (01:02:47.86)
except for the ground that Hugh Jackman walks on.
Luciano (01:02:51.107)
That's called the green place.
Matt (01:02:53.372)
Yeah, there we go. Place of abundance. Luciano, you forgot to include the apocalypse in your story.
Chris (01:02:59.044)
Yeah, so when the apocalypse
Luciano (01:02:59.521)
I included the pre -apocalypse.
Matt (01:03:02.382)
Right. how does he, where does the apocalypse show up in his story of his family leaving him to go to New
Chris (01:03:04.496)
Take the life preserver.
Luciano (01:03:15.391)
It doesn't? There is no apocalypse? It's hallucinating the whole thing? Does that answer your question?
Matt (01:03:21.404)
mean, the correct answer was... Yeah, the correct answer is just the apocalypse happened.
Chris (01:03:22.7)
I you, I I showed you the door. You just had to walk through it. When?
Luciano (01:03:25.473)
I
Luciano (01:03:29.443)
I don't want to do the George Miller School of Storytelling.
Chris (01:03:34.755)
Y 'all are the
Matt (01:03:35.036)
Wave your magic apocalypse arm, it happened. They left, end of story.
Luciano (01:03:38.512)
Yeah, so yeah, he was he was cheating on his wife with the bikes then apocalypse then he became the mantis there you go
Matt (01:03:45.896)
Great job, everybody. No, think you nailed it. My thought was that, in fact, he was always dementous. He...
Chris (01:03:57.206)
Luciano (01:03:59.255)
Was he baptized as the mantis?
Chris (01:04:01.57)
Oooh.
Matt (01:04:03.022)
No, so see what happened was he just woke up one day in a psychiatric ward and the... Yeah, it's crazy. Don't worry. It's fine. And the... I always say keep it easy for the first question. And this is it. So don't worry about it. He doesn't have a family. And so all of the people...
Chris (01:04:11.394)
Luciano (01:04:12.002)
I thought you said to keep it breezy. Okay.
Chris (01:04:20.262)
You got her, you got her.
Matt (01:04:31.282)
They were in his inner circle. They're all residents from the mental ward, the mental hospital. And so they all, he just woke up one day and he became friends with all of them and they called him Dementus because he was crazy. And they saw it on like TV one time. The apocalypse happened and they all ride together. And so his family is just a made of creation he used to sound cool.
Luciano (01:04:37.694)
I see.
Matt (01:04:59.602)
to his friends in the mental hospital.
Luciano (01:05:02.231)
I that is actually, I actually think that might actually be the situation. Because if you look at like the names or titles he gives other people, that's like someone who doesn't know what they're doing. There's one dude called The Smag, like come on.
Chris (01:05:02.502)
Very one flew over the cuckoo's nest.
Matt (01:05:15.57)
Yeah.
Chris (01:05:18.138)
Yeah, that was something else. do not want to break the etymology of that down at all. Dick cheese! But anyways.
Luciano (01:05:23.011)
Exactly, and me neither.
Matt (01:05:26.139)
Yeah, we don't need to. didn't, we didn't, we didn't have to. just couldn't.
Luciano (01:05:29.087)
I thought you didn't want to. Yeah, we didn't have to. No, we didn't. We could have left it implied. Zack Snyder. Yeah.
Chris (01:05:32.396)
Someone had to after saying they didn't have to. But here we are.
Matt (01:05:36.04)
The worst part is you're like, don't do it, and then you did it yourself. Were you talking to yourself? You should have been. Next question. Hey, why does the people here have a gas mask on this
Chris (01:05:41.158)
You see what I did? You see what I did? You see what I did? I wasn't there.
Chris (01:05:50.398)
I first of all did not see that shit. Second of all, all I saw when that scene came up and the camera craned upwards, it was like a big gut, a big belly gut. I was like, well that's what it is. And then that was it. But you know, so y 'all clock that.
Luciano (01:06:03.995)
No, no, the bottom of that gut there was a gas mask strapped to it. I guess because he doesn't want his dick choking to death, I guess? In the smagma?
Chris (01:06:11.172)
Wow. So what do we want to do with that?
Chris (01:06:17.296)
The dick needs to breathe.
Matt (01:06:17.554)
You didn't have to. No.
Chris (01:06:20.918)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta air out the curtains sometimes.
Luciano (01:06:22.157)
You
Matt (01:06:27.378)
So.
Luciano (01:06:28.545)
Wait, that doesn't...
Matt (01:06:30.194)
But that means the way of exposition is you want to keep the bad stuff out, not keep the bad stuff in.
Luciano (01:06:37.118)
I see. So the mask is for our protection, not his. I mean, yeah, I can see that. Sure.
Matt (01:06:40.696)
Yeah, yeah.
Chris (01:06:42.704)
So his dick had COVID?
Matt (01:06:47.25)
of him.
Chris (01:06:47.482)
Dick vid, COVID dick vid.
Luciano (01:06:48.801)
Yeah. Also, he wore a little chainmail bikini on his nose. Did you guys notice that?
Chris (01:06:54.776)
It looked like a cheese grater. Like one of those, one of those, not cheese grater, looks like, yes, it looked like one of those thimbles that you use for, like from David's tea that like has teas that just don't taste like they smell. Anyways, yeah.
Luciano (01:06:57.271)
Yeah, Dick Chi is greater. Yeah, he does. Yeah, yeah, he does.
Luciano (01:07:09.719)
Yeah, I think we nailed
Matt (01:07:10.408)
Gross. I think we all nailed it. Hey, different question entirely. The History Man, which was at first an interesting device and a use for common relief, but confusing. I want to know, I assume that it's a rigorous process to become a History Man. I assume there's some sort of charter professional association of History Men. Yes. Yeah.
Chris (01:07:11.771)
very.
Luciano (01:07:36.387)
Like an accreditation process.
Matt (01:07:40.39)
That is the thing. How do you become an accredited history
Luciano (01:07:45.437)
I see. I think it's a very good question. It's an important profession. Can't just have some just just some random Joe delivering word burgers.
Chris (01:07:51.546)
First.
Chris (01:07:56.664)
Yeah, first you have to I mean like so he's got age on him. So he made he might have been a historian or a Wikipedia philite pre -apocalypse
Luciano (01:08:08.183)
Yeah, wasn't, so first of all, you have to have a Wikipedia editor in your family tree. That's the first requirement. So it's kind of like a hereditary position to some extent. A Wikipedia, yes, you have to be a Wikipedia.
Chris (01:08:21.606)
The Wikipedia.
Matt (01:08:25.968)
or Wikipedia will be also accepted.
Luciano (01:08:28.395)
Yeah, different kind of history,
Chris (01:08:30.638)
And then, yeah, and then you gotta be into tattoos because apart from the knowledge that is contained within your noggin, you need, like as you get older, you need a little help. And like when you're on the road, you don't get to carry too, too much. like, what is the best lightweight method for me to bring my knowledge or jog my knowledge with me? Which is kind of cool, cause like maybe all,
Matt (01:08:32.52)
still count.
Chris (01:08:57.336)
It didn't look like real, I don't remember perfectly, it didn't look like real letters on his skin. They sort of look like symbols. So are those symbols codified triggers to access shorthand?
Luciano (01:09:06.923)
Yeah, short, like shorthand? Yeah.
Matt (01:09:09.884)
Hey, I asked you for the answers. So you don't bring questions, you bring answers.
Chris (01:09:14.52)
I was just clarifying and honestly I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Luciano. So the point is, God damn it. So yeah, so you have to have prior knowledge, you have to be open to short hand and then you have to self tattoo all of this, which is indeed right and.
Luciano (01:09:18.069)
Yeah, don't interrupt.
Luciano (01:09:30.837)
Yeah. So you have to be ambidextrous, right? Because you have to tattoo the other side. You also probably need some training in like anatomy, because when you take over the last, like your mentor, because it's like a Sith thing, right? You have the mentor and the pupil. Yes. Yes.
Chris (01:09:49.286)
There's only two.
Matt (01:09:50.278)
Is sipping the way you want to term it? So the younger history man eventually murders the older... Okay.
Chris (01:09:53.814)
What is
Luciano (01:09:57.507)
Of course, because it gets too old and then it's like if you let if we let you get more old Your tattoos are gonna be wrinkled because of your skin. So I'm gonna kill you Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna kill you and skin you keep your knowledge that is in your skin with me and carry on the
Matt (01:10:07.366)
and synil of these starts to set in, you might.
Chris (01:10:07.684)
And then this and we lose the shorthand
Chris (01:10:16.845)
Mmm.
Matt (01:10:18.184)
They didn't show that, so I don't know why you're mentioning that as part of the accreditation. OK. So is that like, what is that, leather working? So you have to be a leather worker?
Chris (01:10:21.274)
You asked us how and we are giving you the answer.
Luciano (01:10:22.665)
Listen, that's part of the accreditation process. You have a leather worker?
Chris (01:10:28.87)
a little bit. And you've got to make sure and you got to be into like cured, curing meats, because you've got a curing beef jerky beef history man jerky because you've got to like
Luciano (01:10:34.891)
Yeah, you need to into beef jerky.
Matt (01:10:36.648)
During meets?
Luciano (01:10:41.975)
Yeah, history men don't get buried, they get turned into jerky and carry the longest rations.
Matt (01:10:46.184)
Sorry, Chris. So are all humans just beef jerky or is it just history of that take on that flavor?
Chris (01:10:46.499)
and consume.
Chris (01:10:53.242)
Well, think about it. Correct.
Luciano (01:10:53.676)
No, just history, mate. The ink is also sriracha sauce.
Chris (01:10:59.887)
There you go.
Matt (01:11:00.594)
But how do we get the beef flavor from Sriracha sauce?
Chris (01:11:03.642)
Don't ask questions that you're not ready for because the point of this section, the podcast, not all of it, you ask, you weren't in the answer. We're answering, this is the answer section of the question. And so the answer to your question, yeah, if we were.
Luciano (01:11:04.247)
Don't ask questions. You're not ready for that knowledge, okay?
Matt (01:11:06.634)
At the whole point of broadcast asking questions
Matt (01:11:16.232)
If you guys are history men, have to show me your face tattoos right now.
Luciano (01:11:19.843)
I don't have mine yet, but I have the skin of my predecessor.
Matt (01:11:24.092)
How far, how far, Jesus.
Chris (01:11:26.49)
But when you work with the predecessor skin and you jerkify the meat, you jerkify the meat, but he's already dead. So it's no problem. So the key here is that the meats are smoked. And that is why you end up with wonderful, delicious, history man, jerkified meat that you must consume.
Luciano (01:11:32.556)
Ooh, careful. Yeah,
Matt (01:11:36.166)
I don't know if you want to jerk or find the meat, but that's what the terminology you're going for.
Luciano (01:11:53.269)
Yeah. So, so to recap, to recap, you have to be, you know, descendant of a Wikipedia or a Wikipedia. You have to have some Wikipedia. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And then you, you have to have some training in, obviously reading and writing Java. No, no, we, we kill those people. those are the first ones to go in the apocalypse.
Matt (01:11:54.45)
Beef, beef jerky fine. Yeah. Yeah, okay.
Chris (01:11:56.08)
Cause it's a ceremony!
Matt (01:12:03.314)
Correct. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris (01:12:03.691)
Wookie? Did you say Wookiepedian? I love it.
Chris (01:12:14.042)
Java.
Chris (01:12:18.914)
Hahaha
Matt (01:12:21.32)
Yeah, they are borrowed from being history,
Chris (01:12:23.152)
Flutter. Flitter, flutter?
Luciano (01:12:23.817)
Yeah. And then you have to have some knowledge of, know, tattooing, you have to bookbinding, sure. Leather bookbinding, important. Then you have to also have some training in anatomy. And you also have to have an FDA approval for having a deli shop, because that's where you store, you know, your predecessors.
Chris (01:12:30.288)
Bookbinding.
Chris (01:12:35.136)
leather circa Gutenberg.
Yes.
Chris (01:12:45.467)
Hey. The meats.
Matt (01:12:47.73)
Just, I just want to check. Australia has a federal drug administration. Just checking. Do you have certification in drugification?
Luciano (01:12:51.971)
famous for bodegas. They have bodegas there too. Yeah.
Chris (01:12:57.776)
See, somebody's gotta eat in post -apocalyptic.
Luciano (01:13:03.691)
Yes, of course. It's part of the FDA approved deli meat owner.
Matt (01:13:09.01)
Right, obviously. Famously, yeah. It's a two year course at a community college.
Chris (01:13:10.062)
It's a lot of badges. It's a lot of work to fit to it's a lot of work to perfect the jerkification.
Luciano (01:13:12.717)
Yeah, it's a lifetime investment of effort.
Chris (01:13:20.9)
I thought you were gonna say it's a live testing and demonstration. Okay, I didn't say that. For who?
Luciano (01:13:25.557)
Also that.
Matt (01:13:26.834)
We're not that gross. Come on, we have some respect here. No, think that answers everything for me. Thank you.
A different question entirely.
Chris (01:13:36.516)
You're welcome.
Any turn.
Matt (01:13:41.03)
We talked about them previously, Scrotus and Rictus.
Luciano (01:13:43.627)
Yes.
Matt (01:13:45.094)
Did Morton Joe pick their names when they were born? Did they just show up as like, like when they were born, there's little, little scrums, little penises? like
Luciano (01:13:49.259)
Hmm. So.
Chris (01:13:50.276)
Well, poor... Go ahead.
Luciano (01:13:56.675)
So yeah, I was going to say, think like Scrotus was sort of like a line of sight naming. Like, was like, who's my little ball sack? Who's my little ball sack? That's, that's his name. His full name is Skebaz Scrotus. I know. I know.
Chris (01:14:05.318)
On site.
Matt (01:14:08.626)
Yeah, that's what I want to say.
Chris (01:14:15.686)
Awww. With the face only a father has to love.
Matt (01:14:16.786)
That's... you don't want that.
Luciano (01:14:21.411)
could name a face only a father could name but like rictus whose full name is rictus erectus just just in case we weren't sure I don't know did he look like a little penis when he was born I guess that would
Chris (01:14:25.219)
You know.
Matt (01:14:25.234)
Guess.
Chris (01:14:31.834)
no.
no.
Chris (01:14:41.614)
You just look like a little dick.
Luciano (01:14:43.777)
Yeah, and you grew up to be a big dick.
Chris (01:14:45.921)
There you go.
Matt (01:14:46.024)
I mean, I feel like you could come up with that being his nickname or, know, as he grows up. That one seems more likely, you know, like Chris's one, it's like, you know, when he's like two, he's like, are you such a little dick? I'm gonna name you Rick this or wreck this, right? Like I could see, and it's just like, that's his nickname and his real name's Chet or something.
Luciano (01:15:02.134)
Yeah.
Chris (01:15:07.94)
Yeah.
Luciano (01:15:08.225)
Well, clearly, clearly Scrotus is Gord and Rictus is Terry. No question.
Matt (01:15:13.03)
Right. But I just don't understand. That's fine. Chet was a better option, but you didn't want
Chris (01:15:13.125)
Mm -hmm.
Chris (01:15:17.606)
Terry Chet.
Luciano (01:15:20.291)
they're Australian. should be, one of them needs to be Bruce.
Chris (01:15:20.495)
You can keep both.
Matt (01:15:23.964)
That's fair. But I just don't understand how you get to scroll this. Like, I know I understand his face, but it's like it's more like Chrome Magnus or like. And the scab is, yeah, so it's just like he looks like a wrinkly ball sack or scabby ball sack.
Chris (01:15:40.432)
But it's also sca - remember it's scabby scrotus. So like
Luciano (01:15:40.439)
Yeah
Luciano (01:15:47.765)
with with scabby ballsack
Chris (01:15:48.742)
pretty much, it's like, listen Scott Gord, I'm gonna be real with you. Come sit on daddy's knee, listen. Listen Gord, Scott McKenzie, listen, your future is on this path, okay? You've got a very radio face, my son. So like, let's make sure we set you up for success, you can oversee all of that.
Luciano (01:15:55.031)
Gord Mackenzie.
Luciano (01:16:07.236)
Yeah, a face made for radio.
Chris (01:16:15.958)
And as far as your brother, don't worry about him. He's got a different problem. He's just a big dick.
Matt (01:16:21.682)
You know, maybe it's a case of, like many cultures have sort of a naming day where you pick your own
Luciano (01:16:29.155)
actually that makes sense. Those two idiots would pick those names.
Matt (01:16:32.176)
And so, well, I was going to say though, what if, what if it's like, instead of you picking, it's like your closest friend picks or like, yeah, yeah,
Chris (01:16:42.544)
They picked each other's names? Screw this!
Luciano (01:16:46.131)
Yeah, I think we're onto something
Matt (01:16:47.528)
So one guy's like, look like a dick. I'm going to call you Rick this erectus. And he's like, you look like a scabby nut sack. I'm going to call
Luciano (01:16:58.871)
Yeah. I, so here's, I think you're onto something because I think they do this to prevent people from, from like screw each other over. Cause you know, whoever you pick the name of is going to pick your name. So they go like, you know, it's a mutual destruction thing. So you get like, you got some other, like you get some like people eater and immortal Joe,
Matt (01:17:19.866)
And smart people, yeah smart people are like, they pick cool names for their friends and these guys are fucking morons. What are fucking morons there?
Luciano (01:17:25.163)
Yeah, exactly. There was like, I fucking hate you. You scabby scrotum. Shut up, you big dick. That's that's it. Yeah, I think I think that's it. They're just so stupid that they didn't realize that they could, Yeah, yeah.
Chris (01:17:31.29)
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris (01:17:41.67)
They were dooming themselves socially.
Matt (01:17:45.565)
So those are the smartest words that I can come up with because it had to be
Luciano (01:17:49.377)
Yeah, was like, it has to be Roman.
Matt (01:17:51.858)
I was like, SBRome was like, I only know Dickus Erectus. I only know Balsack.
Luciano (01:17:54.455)
Balsack. I only know Balsack. Yeah.
Chris (01:17:56.038)
That sounds about right.
Luciano (01:18:01.075)
It's like it's almost like they're the wasteland version of Beavis and Butthead at this point.
Chris (01:18:05.434)
Beavis and Butthead? Yeah.
Matt (01:18:07.058)
Yeah, that's honestly how you say it. can't unsee
Luciano (01:18:10.133)
Right? Yeah.
Chris (01:18:10.832)
Yeah. Yes. Yes. For me, it's easy. It's the it's Furiosa's mother.
Matt (01:18:12.072)
Nailed it. Next question. Hey, who is the real hero of Furiosa Mad Max Saga?
Luciano (01:18:17.285)
NNNN
Matt (01:18:25.97)
But like, everything she does is in vain because her dumbass child comes back and gets caught as she dies.
Luciano (01:18:29.228)
And then she dies.
Chris (01:18:32.152)
Leia but that doesn't take away from all the hard work she fucking put in like it's it's supposed it's a team she did I think she did and Go ahead. That's just I was just gonna finish with
Matt (01:18:37.032)
Okay. She went out as champion.
Luciano (01:18:41.251)
To me, go ahead. No, finish it.
Chris (01:18:47.674)
The bar was set based on the movie we saw for like the first quarter. The mother was no joke, went out, da da da da, one stage, two stage, three stage, four, she had a plan. And this is the bar that was set for Furiosa to reach and hopefully surpass, right? Like clearly they had discussions in scenario, discussions in training.
back from the place of abundance. If ever something happens, this is what we do. The rule of no one can know of this place. So like the mother's got double duty. I've got to get my daughter back somehow and I got to make sure these guys don't know. That's
Matt (01:19:25.212)
Hey, hey, hey Chris, same great, great answer. How do you make it funny instead of serious?
Chris (01:19:35.064)
I was, I thought that was, I didn't think it was funny, but yeah. So when the apocalypse happened, so when the apocalypse happened, you want to say something, Alicia? just try to keep going. Okay, so when the apocalypse, don't worry, I could dig us out.
Matt (01:19:38.438)
I I want it to be funny unless that was a real answer. There we go. we're talking. Let him cook.
Luciano (01:19:49.681)
Yes, I want to get out of this fucking hell
Matt (01:19:53.478)
Like, let them finish. The apocalypse happened.
Luciano (01:19:55.363)
Alright, fine.
Chris (01:19:57.178)
So the apocalypse happened, the place of abundance was like on lockdown and they're like, listen, Trump got us here. We need to get ourselves out. This is what we need to do. We have only so much peanut butter and only so much Nutella and we have all these peach seeds. What can we do with this? And then like, wow, like based on the choppy feed, like television feed we're getting from the rest of Australia, it's pretty fucked out there. We need a battle plan. Who is going to lead us?
Matt (01:20:05.032)
Yeah, I like
Matt (01:20:26.472)
This 10 year old girl.
Chris (01:20:26.52)
Mother Fios is pretty awesome. She's like, that's right. The key to everything is to become invisible. And if you're ever challenged, cut all the pipes, use your teeth. Don't let them take you, son. Don't let them take you. Valkyrie, I'm looking at you. You keep fucking up. I told you to stay behind me. Bitch, you're supposed to be my best friend and you never listen to me. Shit, they're here. Be invisible. Shit, I gotta climb down and make noise.
Matt (01:20:51.706)
There we
Luciano (01:20:53.155)
I'm gonna run away and climb this wall as slowly as I possibly can! Yeah.
Chris (01:20:58.094)
making noise, Valkyrie, I still see you, bitch, lay down. then she gets down there and she's like creepin', creepin', creepin', and then like all these tactics and stuff she's seen and learned from her mother based on hunting because the place of abundance is not just a location, it's a valley of opportunity. They have animal and game there.
Luciano (01:21:23.937)
I thought you were gonna say the place of abundance isn't a place, it's the friends you made along the way.
Chris (01:21:29.062)
It's a place in your heart.
Matt (01:21:33.179)
And that is why Chris's real answer is the place of abundance is the real hero of this
Luciano (01:21:38.401)
Hey, he's not wrong. To me, the real hero of the story is the organic mechanic. Because this is a man practicing medicine at a time where people call doctors organic mechanics. If that's not being a fucking hero, I don't know what else is. he, he, like he, he does like births.
Chris (01:21:45.713)
Chris (01:22:06.48)
Yeah.
Luciano (01:22:06.711)
He does like evaluation of purity. He does dentistry. Yeah. Evaluation of dentistry. I guess he looks at fingernails too. Like man is a, is a multidisciplinary doctor.
Chris (01:22:16.326)
True. Cuticles. He's an aesthetician and beautician at the same time. Shit.
Luciano (01:22:21.877)
Yeah, yeah, he's the real G in this
Chris (01:22:26.052)
some respect on that name.
Matt (01:22:27.026)
All right. Good enough for me. Moving
Chris (01:22:35.664)
Valkyrie, get down!
Luciano (01:22:37.421)
Hahaha!
Matt (01:22:37.96)
God damn it! Hey, what skill set do you need to become the Lord of Gastown? We see one Lord of Gastown, excellent painter, he gets captured and...
Luciano (01:22:50.999)
He's very good at getting piked in the head.
Matt (01:22:53.704)
He gets piked in the head. And then Dementis is hired to take over the role. It seems like those two had differing skill sets. And I just want to know, you know. And even in Fury Road, we see Scrotus has it for a while. And then think he runs out of options and he sends the people leader down there to do it. So what is Marnejo looking for?
Luciano (01:23:13.101)
Yeah.
Matt (01:23:21.426)
But what is his ideal candidate for this job is what I'm getting
Chris (01:23:24.56)
Yeah, so bass... Go ahead
Luciano (01:23:24.833)
Well, clearly the first thing you need to be is insane. I don't think that there's any argument there. You have to have some sort of mental ailment.
Chris (01:23:31.622)
I could argue that actually, you want.
Chris (01:23:36.36)
Okay.
Matt (01:23:38.311)
And
Luciano (01:23:39.597)
Go ahead, Chris.
Matt (01:23:41.292)
So you stopped Chris to say they are mentally ill? That was your big contribution? Holy shit. Alright.
Luciano (01:23:43.425)
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Chris (01:23:48.396)
My counter to that actually is different because when you look at Lord One, seem like a cultured, almost servant leader. I wouldn't say sure. Doesn't seem like much of a micromanager. Allows for degree, like seems like he's fine with a degree of autonomy for the workforce. Whereas with Dementis,
Luciano (01:23:58.829)
Chainsmoker giving his beard.
Chris (01:24:15.77)
He's extremely hands -on, very micromanage, flying by the seat of his pants, trying to build the airplane while it's in the air, if you will.
Luciano (01:24:27.479)
So you're saying that the old guardian of Gaston was a big proponent of servant leadership. But then Dementes got basically promoted to fail as a manager. He didn't have the skill set, but he was promoted anyway. The Peter principle, if you will. You get promoted up until you get to a point where you're incompetent. That's what happened with Dementes. Is that what you're saying?
Chris (01:24:44.592)
Mm -hmm.
Yes.
Matt (01:24:55.056)
I, I do want to have a question. if the first guy was so good to Chris, how come he got captured by Dementis?
Chris (01:24:56.42)
I think that's fair.
Chris (01:25:08.26)
Because Dementis has his skill sets are more conducive to hands on brutalist like seek and destroy. They're different. Go on. Go on.
Matt (01:25:17.862)
Right, you're saying that Mordenjoe loved the skill set of the original Gaston Guardian.
Chris (01:25:27.876)
Yes, because someone to maintain and not disrupt, whereas in the hands of Dementus, everything fell apart pretty much. It had its own life cycle, but it wasn't run the same and it wasn't as efficient. It didn't seem as potent.
Matt (01:25:28.988)
That's all we do. All he wanted
Matt (01:25:47.144)
Okay,
Luciano (01:25:47.721)
So what you're saying Chris is that you're not answering the question that Matt asked you're asking another question that you had in your head
Chris (01:25:51.726)
I thought I was.
Matt (01:25:54.968)
Actually, I'm fine with the answer, but what I want is what if the answer was funny and not real? There we go. Let them
Luciano (01:26:01.197)
Jesus Christ,
Chris (01:26:02.202)
So when the apocalypse happened, when the apocalypse happened, you see, it's the best trap card ever. When the apocalypse happened, Lord One was a museum curator and also an enthusiastic botanist and closeted mime. And so when you take a mix, this corticopia of potential and learningness,
The potential is quite astounding because he's not killing people from what we can see. He's just maintaining and doing his own thing in his little tower. Meanwhile...
Matt (01:26:44.018)
Right, the answer here is be into mimes and art. That's the skillset you need in botany.
Chris (01:26:50.764)
Art and botany and botany.
Luciano (01:26:53.283)
Okay, so but why did Immortan Joe think that Dementus was a good replacement then?
Chris (01:26:59.364)
Because he's more of a conqueror. One. Opposite.
Luciano (01:27:02.093)
So the complete opposite of the other guy. And if he was happy with the first guy, why would he want to change it?
Chris (01:27:09.818)
because he was put in a position where had, where Morton Joe had to make a choice. Plus when you look at the pot, the pot was sweetened with another potential bride. And like, there's nothing that, there's nothing that, what's his name? First Lord Gastown. He can't, like he's fulfilled his role. Change is inevitable. I have to adapt based on the situation. So when the apocalypse happens, you must
Luciano (01:27:19.69)
I see.
Matt (01:27:36.518)
And we're going to adapt out of this question.
Chris (01:27:38.429)
Hahaha!
Hard, hard left. Valkyrie, God damn it. If I have to tell you one more time.
Luciano (01:27:46.219)
I don't... Dude, I don't know why you're harping so much on Valkyrie. She didn't get captured. She didn't get captured.
Matt (01:27:46.856)
That's an excellent segue.
Chris (01:27:50.328)
She's not hiding!
Matt (01:27:52.168)
Hey, hey man, this true. This is a great segue. Valkyrie, maybe this is your answer. I don't know. The studio is dead set on a prequel to Fierosa Mad Max Saga. Who, what is this about?
Luciano (01:27:55.03)
Hahaha!
Luciano (01:28:10.103)
Well, it can't be, no. Yeah,
Chris (01:28:10.32)
So it has to be Furiosa Saga?
Matt (01:28:13.048)
No, no, it's just a prequel from this movie. So anybody in this movie, you know, go backwards.
Chris (01:28:15.664)
From this movie, got it, got it, got it. Okay.
Luciano (01:28:18.339)
So much like this is the prequel to a Mad Max movie that isn't about Mad Max, so the prequel to a Furiosa movie cannot be about Furiosa. I think it should be about Dementus. So Dementus in this story, he chose that this is during, it's not as the apocalypse happens, right? This is during the apocalypse. So Dementus is the manager of a 7 -Eleven.
Chris (01:28:24.122)
Mm -hmm.
Matt (01:28:29.468)
Yeah, the trucks.
Chris (01:28:29.899)
So, whom do you think?
Chris (01:28:48.72)
Luciano (01:28:49.363)
in Sydney, no, in Perth. And he starts having some hallucinations of wearing gauzy coats or gauzy accoutrements. Cloaks, thank you. He also has some quite wet dreams about nipple play.
Chris (01:28:51.384)
Schenectady. Okay, sure. Yes, Perth. Yes, yes.
Matt (01:28:54.098)
Great birth
Chris (01:29:09.838)
Yes. Cloaks. Yes. Very nice.
Chris (01:29:19.248)
Dang, it's cooked.
Luciano (01:29:19.715)
and he starts questioning his sanity and his original name was Dan Mentus and he started thinking, you know, that those must be messages from the aliens that clearly exist because
Chris (01:29:31.654)
Ayyyy Never saw that company
Chris (01:29:47.291)
Cool.
Luciano (01:29:47.563)
obviously believes in them being an astrologer as well, a hobbyist astrologer. No, he clearly, he cleared them out. That was the first thing that he did. was a clear, it wasn't the Tatans, wasn't the Venutians either. It was someone else. And so this is like a harrowing art house drama about Dan Mentus becoming the Mentus. And it's a four hour movie shot in black and white.
Chris (01:29:51.453)
Was it the Phaetans?
Chris (01:29:59.546)
Got it. Okay.
Luciano (01:30:16.631)
directed by Zack Snyder.
Matt (01:30:18.745)
I knew that was coming for hours. Black and
Luciano (01:30:22.679)
Four hours. The regular cut, right? The Snyder cut is like a mini series of like five episodes of six hours each.
Chris (01:30:24.016)
Four hours. Four hour power.
Matt (01:30:34.024)
So, if I understand correctly Luciano, you said to me that there's gonna be a theatrical release that's about 2 hours 25 minutes that is garbage. No, like, Zack Snyder can never release anything in 4 hours.
Luciano (01:30:42.911)
No, no, the theatrical release is for hours.
Yeah, but he got it in this case, because it's a Mad Max thing and it makes money. We wouldn't, but the Westside boys would.
Matt (01:30:50.76)
Why would we give him
Matt (01:30:56.585)
Fair, They already did and they learned their lesson Well, they didn't know that Netflix is one of the higher than next
Luciano (01:31:00.973)
Did they? Do they ever?
Luciano (01:31:06.269)
shit, maybe it is Netflix then. okay. Okay. Continue your question.
Matt (01:31:08.272)
Yeah, I'll love
seems to go completely. No, that's that's the question. was
Chris (01:31:19.12)
would venture that prequel, prequel.
Luciano (01:31:22.569)
Just as a last thing Chris, the name of the movie is Denmentis, a Furiosa
Chris (01:31:29.03)
But he's following the pattern. He's followed the pattern.
Matt (01:31:29.874)
The hell?
Luciano (01:31:30.867)
Hahaha
Yeah, don't blame me.
Chris (01:31:38.562)
I would say that a candidate for this prequel prequel, I was gonna go in one direction, but I actually thought about it and I'm gonna go with a Morton Joe because he's now featured twice in these two movies. I would like to see all of that fleshed out. I wanna know who, what, when, where, why. like, according to the internet, his birth name was Joe Moore. So I think he should
a struggling comic book artist that cannot break into the industry whatsoever. And his work is shat on left and right, but he's a prolific writer. And so the character that he was trying to, or like the, you know, one of his character titles was a villain focused title, which he would assume as his persona, when the apocalypse happened. The Morten, it was called.
Luciano (01:32:29.707)
Right, called D. Morton, Called D. Morton, that's his character. I see, Morton.
Chris (01:32:36.09)
It was called the, it was called the Morten, mortal. And now he's trying to build a legacy because when the apocalypse happened, Valkyrie wouldn't shut her fucking mouth, right? So then he decided to take matters into his own hands. He's like, God damn it, I can't get you children to shut up. When I tell you to eat, keep the food in your mouth and stop chewing with your mouth open, God damn it. So he decides to take it up a notch and to become the legend and emperor that he must be in order to assert his dominance.
across the lands of the now post -apocalyptic landscape. Enter his modified character, the Immortan.
Luciano (01:33:16.519)
I So was the reason that he couldn't break into the comic book market, was it because his hero Morton, his superpower was to die?
Chris (01:33:16.889)
Immortan Joe, I
Chris (01:33:23.691)
Yeah.
Chris (01:33:28.262)
Pretty much. Pretty much. To die, and that's it. Like, to die, and he would come, but like, you know?
Luciano (01:33:32.929)
Yeah. And he thought, yeah. And he thought it was like super clever and like, was no need to retcon anything because he would just die every time. And he was like, this is genius. And nobody could see his genius.
Matt (01:33:34.367)
His story arcs were real short. Couple pages.
Chris (01:33:43.31)
Yeah, just a human being with no other abilities other than to die. And he comes back and he just dies very easily. Think of, you remember the Shyamalan movie's, what's it, Glass? The guy who had that Jameel Jackson's condition with brittle bones? Think that, but even more frail.
Luciano (01:33:56.491)
Yep. Yep.
Luciano (01:34:01.921)
Right, and not smart even, and not super smart either. Okay, so did you say his name was Joe Moore? Is he like the younger brother of Alan Moore?
Matt (01:34:03.047)
And he does.
Chris (01:34:05.796)
No, not at all. Just G, Moore, Joe Moore. Joe Moore.
wanted to go in that direction and the answer is
Luciano (01:34:18.667)
Okay. No, I'm here for this story. Yeah. Why, you're not gonna, you're not gonna give us your prequel?
Matt (01:34:19.88)
Great. I'm going to yield everybody else's time on this question.
Chris (01:34:21.444)
You know?
Who would you want though? Even if you just tell us who. Aw.
Matt (01:34:26.488)
No, no, no, we're not going to do it because everyone is asleep. We're going to review this movie in our standard review stylings of S is the highest, F is the lowest. Chris, what do you think?
Luciano (01:34:34.787)
That's probably fair.
Chris (01:34:34.936)
Alright.
Chris (01:34:48.152)
I'll be completely honest when I say like I watched the movie today, but last night during During that like the optimal time the optimal window to watch this movie. I didn't want to watch this movie I chose to watch shin Ultraman and I enjoyed myself very much and then I was like I'll watch this movie I'll fit it in and I did fit
Luciano (01:34:54.41)
Hahaha
Matt (01:35:10.537)
How kind of you to make time for this podcast, we do.
Luciano (01:35:13.962)
Yeah, every every week
Chris (01:35:14.798)
no, I did make time every week, but, well, fuck this, I got years on this with the rest of y 'all
Luciano (01:35:20.548)
Did you watch it in like 2x speed
Chris (01:35:25.19)
That is not, that's not what we're here to talk about. What we're here to talk about is whether people should, you don't get to answer for me, whether people should watch this or not. If you liked Fury Road, you're not gonna like this movie. My rating point blank, keep it real and 100 D. Like I was disappointed. Little D gets the S rank, middle D gets the D
Luciano (01:35:27.523)
So yes.
Matt (01:35:47.098)
Little D or Mid D?
Matt (01:35:55.142)
Mid D, I got you. Yeah, yeah.
Chris (01:35:55.536)
Does that make sense? for disappointed. And so when you've got absolutely nothing else to do, I encourage you to find something else to do and then keep it moving.
Luciano (01:35:56.951)
Yeah? Sure.
Matt (01:36:08.018)
That description makes it feel like an F if we're honest.
Luciano (01:36:10.61)
Yeah
Chris (01:36:11.14)
Well, shit, now it is an F actually. But little d, she gets an S rank. Everything was fine until they aged her out. That's what I'm saying. You're right, but I'm also right. And that's why we
Matt (01:36:19.4)
Okay, and so it averages out to a D.
Luciano (01:36:20.055)
Wait, what, is it a D? Okay. Okay, fair enough.
Matt (01:36:28.21)
I mean, these are all your own rankings. Luciano, what do you got?
Chris (01:36:31.906)
I worked with the letters.
Luciano (01:36:32.419)
I so I think the only sane thing that Chris said in his entire review was that if you liked Fury Road, you're not going to like this movie. Now, notoriously, I wasn't that big of a fan of Fury Road. didn't hate it, but I would like I didn't I didn't know I didn't but I did like people were like super hyped about it and it was like, this is great. This is amazing. I was like, hey, it's fine. So conversely, I actually did enjoy this movie.
Matt (01:36:46.888)
Correct. Sounds like you did. You
Luciano (01:37:02.423)
wanted to enjoy it more, but I couldn't because I mean all the, the last hour and a half, basically. That's why. so, but like, didn't, I didn't really super hate it. was actually more entertained with like the action scenes in this movie as nonsensical as some of them were than I was with the first movie. So is it a good movie? No. Did
Matt (01:37:08.37)
sucks.
Matt (01:37:11.72)
Jesus.
Luciano (01:37:31.543)
Do I regret watching it? Actually, no. So I would not watch it again though. So it's a solid C for
Which by the way would have been the same thing I would have given Fury
Matt (01:37:41.17)
Solid.
Matt (01:37:46.44)
So you liked it the same. Great work. I am also going to give it a D, but for, guess, very different reasons from Chris. I think the story just skipped all that stuff and it was kind of boring because it trapped itself into corners. But I think that the action set pieces and his stylized, you know, the music and the stylized way he shows like the cars driving and things happening still hits.
So that's why it's not F. It's just a D because the action is fun, which you can skip. He's great. And you can skip everything else in between, essentially. So I'm going to go to solid mid D for reasons that I described this movie is. Yeah. I answer the question with this movie is a mid D.
Chris (01:38:17.798)
Chris Hemworth is fun.
Luciano (01:38:27.191)
Hahaha
Chris (01:38:30.138)
What is a mid D?
You challenged me, you challenged, you challenged my ratings and now you have, interesting.
Luciano (01:38:40.865)
Is this the same answer as like when the apocalypse happened? Yeah. no. Okay. That, that story stack checks out.
Matt (01:38:43.699)
When the apocalypse happens, this is a mid -D.
Chris (01:38:46.606)
Yeah
Matt (01:38:48.872)
So next week, very special, exciting event. Popcorn and plot holes are going to the source of the popcorn and potentially the plot holes. going to the theater to watch Deadpool and
Luciano (01:38:54.187)
Yeah!
Chris (01:38:55.072)
Mm -hmm. Brrr.
Chris (01:39:02.472)
That's not
Chris (01:39:07.686)
Yeah.
Matt (01:39:09.928)
So we're gonna spoil the shit of it right away. So you might wanna, you know, download it and, you know, listen to it before you go to the movies and make sure you know it's gonna happen immediately.
Luciano (01:39:19.267)
Yes, spoil yourself out of the
Chris (01:39:21.405)
Listen to the podcast while watching Deadpool Wolverine.
Matt (01:39:24.55)
Yeah, yeah, don't let the movie get spoiled by watching the movie. We'll tell you what's gonna happen first so you know what to avoid.
Luciano (01:39:28.875)
Yeah, we are going to record it as we watch it as well. We rented the entire movie theater just for the four of us. And yeah, it's going to be a live cast more than the podcast.
Chris (01:39:30.288)
during the movie.
Chris (01:39:42.938)
Yes. Yes.
Matt (01:39:44.284)
Yeah, all of what I said and nothing what Luciano said is correct, so we're gonna watch it and then record a podcast about it. be excited. Special, special event. Wolverine or Deadpool and Wolverine. God, I hope it doesn't suck.
Luciano (01:39:48.589)
Correct.
Luciano (01:39:56.13)
Yeah.
Luciano (01:40:01.668)
I don't think it will. And even if it does, it's gonna get us because we're all bitches.
Chris (01:40:03.824)
think we're gonna be okay.
Chris (01:40:10.982)
Trust, trust, trust, trust the Reynolds.