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Dave. Well, hi everyone. Welcome back to the stand outdoors podcast, the show where faith and the great outdoors come together. I'm Dave Baker along with the founder of the stand outdoors, Mike Hayes, and today we're talking about sense, not common sense, the other sense to track deer and how to use them effectively. Mike will be talking about that in just a couple of minutes, but right now, want to talk about our videos on our website, the standout doors.com,
Speaker 2 0:54
yes, our videos, definitely. Dave, we wanted people to get over to our channel on YouTube. It's, we got like, 13 episodes on there. We got some other videos of my biggest buck to date that we might me and Joey. You know, Joey and I went to Ohio, got our biggest buck to date on the same day. Crazy. He got his in the morning. I got mine in the evening. It was an incredible hunt, whitetail heaven. Outfitters. And it's there, you know, on just click videos, and you can see them there in two parts. Part one is Joey's. Part two is mine. But yeah, you definitely want to check out these videos. There's probably, you know, I guess, 13 episodes and in several videos. And yeah, and don't forget to hit the subscribe button.
Speaker 1 1:45
Yeah, join us. Yes. There's a bunch of short videos you can watch too. Mike and I setting up stands and a bunch of other things you can look at. And some of the videos are, are things we've talked about on the show so far. So you can take a look at that. It's all found at the stand outdoors.com. Well, Mike, every year I go to the hunt store, and I stand in the aisle, the scent aisle, I'll call it, and I look at all the stuff, and I absolutely have no idea what I'm doing. I have no clue what to buy. Some of this stuff is really expensive. Code Red, Code Blue, code, whatever. And you got all these promises. Oh, it'll attract this, and it'll attract that, and you're gonna have your big buck come What? What do we do? How do we even start the process of knowing what to buy and what do we get and how do we use them?
Speaker 2 2:33
Yeah, a lot of good questions we have. What three hours for the show? Yeah, it's I have had tremendous success with using scent. Some people don't like them. They say they scare the deer. Some people go as far as to say even human urine will attract them. It's pretty crazy out there. That sounds crazy. There's thinking, you know, from one end to the other, but one thing we do know is that deer communicate through smell. They can smell like 100 times or 1000 times better than a human. It's amazing. They could pick you up in a decent wind a half a mile away. Wow. So their their smell is so important. Not only do we have to cover our scent, which, you know, last time we talked a little bit about using scent lock, you know. And some of these, the clothing that has the carbon in it that will cover your scent and also just spray yourself down with all these sin away products and and even, you know, you can use these lures sometimes as a cover scent, like dopey. A lot of times a good cover scent, you know. But, and you'll never get rid of all of your smell. They'll pick you up. But what I think happens, which is very important, especially to archers, it might fool them just enough right where they think you're a little bit further away than you actually are. Oh, I see, yeah, and, and, you know, archers, we got to bring them in, you know, 3040, yards at least, and and so that I've seen deer when they pick my wind up, especially, and they seem to know the seasons. Dave, I don't understand. They're smart. They it's amazing how they will just go around me within 80 yards if they pick me up, and they know that I don't have a rifle and I'm not going to pick them off, but yet, in rifle season, they'll stay in the woods. I see it, you know, and archery, sometimes I've even seen them run out to the middle of the field and stop and start eating. It's almost like I'm probably giving them more credit than they deserve. But you know, the harder we make this look better, it makes us look so Anyway, okay, so I believe in them, because I've seen, I've seen it work, you know, we've had, I've had a buck one time come right underneath me and I had a mock scrape made, you know, a fake scrape, you know, whatever you want to call them, and just to turn his body so that I could shoot him, you know, broad. So how
Speaker 1 5:00
do you do a mock scrape? Let's, let's, let's stop there. Yeah, people say, Well, I, you know, I've heard Mike say this before, and I heard on other podcasts, I don't even know what a mock scrape is, what, what is a mock scrape? And how do you make them? And what do you use? Yeah, well,
Speaker 2 5:15
dear, when they're, when they're marking their territory, they like to do these scrapes. And they'll, they'll do scrape lines, like they'll be rub lines and scrape lines. Those are the things you look for when you're looking for deer. Sign in the woods where to put your stand. You want to look for those, you know, mock scrapes, or look for those scrapes, right? They always, almost 100% have a licking branch hanging over them, some branch hanging down. They're attracted that because they have all kind of these glands in their eyes, in their on their forehead, around their antlers, all these glands that they rub through the the limbs and they leave their scent. And that's their calling card. They're telling the ladies, listen, this is my territory. I'm ready. Let's go, you know. And the the does will actually come and pee in the scrape, also over their Musk pads. You know, they have those Musk pads on the on the inside of their of their back legs, and they put them together, and they literally pee over them. The bucks do it. And so, so do the the does. And that's and they can literally tell which DOE is making that pee.
Speaker 1 6:19
Now, well, will will more than one buck come to that scrape? Oh, yeah. Also use that same branch.
Speaker 2 6:25
Yes, they do that. So it might get confusing, but they, that's how they communicate. But yeah, I've seen more than one doe, use use a scrape. I've seen little does make big scrapes and big I mean, little bucks make big scrapes and Big Bucks make little scrapes. So you can't go by that. You can usually go by the rub. So usually don't see a little buck rubbing on a big tree. So if you see a big, big tree rub, that's usually a big buck, yeah, but, but yeah. That's how they communicate. So the way you make a mock scrape is you just go out there, look for that overhanger branch. Or you could even make it yourself, if you got a shot and you want to put it where you'd like to shoot, but the tree doesn't have an overhanging branch. Tie one in. Wear some gloves, yeah, with some gloves you want to keep scent free all the time. But, but yeah, tie one in. I know that. I've seen guys even they they're hunting a big field, and they want to bring the deer out in front of them. They'll cut down a small tree. I mean, be careful if you got permission on property or something, and lay it over another Yeah. No. What I mean is they'll actually dig a hole with the post hole digger, my put that tree in the beginning of the season. They put that tree in the ground. Matter of fact, there was an outfitter out I mean an outfit out there. I mean, a show on, on, you know, on TV, where they call these tree COys. Instead of decoys, tree coy cool. And they actually sold them. I can't remember who it was, but anyway, they just, and they work that you just plant them in the ground, you know, you literally have where they're standing up. They already have the, you know, the licking branches. You put a scrape right there. So, fake tree, wow. Lock scrape. It's, uh, I mean, if you want to, if you want to go to all that, but usually you can just tie a limb, yeah. But I found I can usually find a tree, yeah. You know that they like us. Usually, a lot of them are along the edge of the fields and stuff. But you scrape it out with a stick. Whatever you want to do, scrape it out. Real good. Make it, you know, maybe two feet in diameter. Don't use your boot, right? No, don't. You don't use anything of yours, unless the rubber boot. You can use it, but, but you want to use a stick. I use a stick. Scrape it out and and scrape it out in one direction. That's how they do it, you know. And then, you know, put your, I put my lure down in in what kind of lure do you use? Well, I'm going to talk about that in a minute, okay. But then you also want to put, I spray the, you know, the buck bomb, and these kind of lures, I put them in the limbs, okay, you know, like, okay, all right. Or I put my vent. I try to put it up about six feet my scent vent, right? You know, put that you can get all kinds. They come in those little canisters, little canisters, whatever you need. And they're plastic, little things with a little little hook on it, you little hook on it. Or you can get, what I use a lot is those, those white they're like a pad, but they're shaped. They have a hole in them. So you could put them on a limb, and you can literally dip them in your jar. And I usually, I usually try to get scent, and I use different ones. I don't want to mention a bunch of names or anything, but, but whatever scent you use, because they're, they're all pretty good, if you, if you, I wouldn't buy one in a plastic bottle, because the scent of plastic can get in there. I buy the ones that are in glass bottles, because I don't think they're going to be tainted with the plate with the plastic.
Speaker 1 9:50
Now what, what kind of scent Are you? Are you buying bucks and dough sent like I never know whether to get bucks sent for a scrape or whether to get. Dough, urine for a scrape. Or do you get both?
Speaker 2 10:03
I get both. Yeah. I get they have dominant buck, yeah, which is great, like, right at the end of October, beginning of November, because they're fighting like crazy and those, if you want to attract a dominant buck, the problem is you're probably going to scare all the little bucks away. So if you don't want, if you don't want a little buck, there's, there's, you know, the biologists say there's a difference in the smell. They can tell a dominant buck from a yearling, or what, some little buck, or something like that. And so I get the dominant buck, I get the the dough and estrus is real important to have during the rut, you know. And even, even I do pre rut, I've noticed that October 20, around Pennsylvania, there is a big move with the bucks, because usually don't see them much before that, because they're pretty much nocturnal and but there is a 10% it's called the pre rut. There's 10% of the does. And usually they're the old does that will come into estrus or first, yeah, and that's usually right around the 20th of October and and all of a sudden, all these bucks are in daylight, and you're getting them on camera. And it's amazing. And I've, you know, I've always noticed that every year. And then you have the main rut, which is the first two weeks of November. But then you'll also have a late rut, which is the young does, coming into estrus. That's about 10% of them. And during sometimes these two times the pre rut and the late rut can be better than the rut, because the bucks, know, there's only a few of them, you know, and they got to get them. So they're running all around trying to find them first, you know. So and then I do use the dough P just for more of a cover scent, or sometimes in the in the late rut, yeah,
Speaker 1 11:54
you're putting the dough urine down in the scrape, and then you're putting the buck scent on the branches.
Speaker 2 12:01
Is that? How or do you put? No, I put the bucks. Great. Yeah. I put the buck sent in the scrape, along with the dough year, along with the doughyorn, because the bucks, do they pee over those. So you're trying
Speaker 1 12:11
to mock that. Not only bucks have been there, other bucks, but other does have been there. So that's what you're mocking, right? Yes, okay, yeah, get them kind of stirred up, and they'll keep they will keep returning to that spot
Speaker 2 12:23
right now. Put my dough and estrus definitely in the in the scent vents that I'm hanging up, okay, and have them going. And I've been using this one lately where you put it, you kind of heat it up with the hand warmer, put it in the back. Have you ever seen those? A guy gave it to me at one of the festivals, you know, that was selling them. He says, Try this, you know. So look for that. It's, I think he's got a patent on it, but it's a little container with holes in it. And you he has two little compartments. One is for your scent pad that you saturate with the scent. And in the back of that is your hand warmer. And so you put it in there, and you can, literally, you turn it around and close it and it won't. You can put it in your pack and it won't leak out or or anything like that. But then when you get out there to your stand, you flip it around, close it, and you pull it down a little bit, and the holes are all open. Okay, and so it's pretty good.
Speaker 1 13:13
So now what, what things do you do the morning that you go in, and what things do you do before you even get there? There? Did you do the scrape before you go back to hunt? You leave that scrape overnight, or a couple of days that mock scrape, and then when you come back in, do you hang your wafers and a few other things that morning? Yeah, I
Speaker 2 13:32
usually won't. I usually take mine down. I take them down after I leave. You know, of course, the the whatever you put in the ground is the ground stays, is fine. And I'll usually make a scrape and put something in it right away, okay, you know. And I do it, you know, during that time. Now, while I'm hunting, I'll go in and I'll, I'll put the, you know, the buck lure, you know, urine in the scrape. I'll put the dough in estrus hanging out. This is during the rut, or pre rut, and but then what I do, this is important, and I've seen it really work, that if you if you should see a doe out in the field or something, and the dough is being followed by a buck that you want to shoot. Don't grunt. A lot of people do that. I did it. Don't grunt at that buck
Speaker 1 14:27
because he's got eyes on something, and he not not interested in a grunt.
Speaker 2 14:31
Well, it's more than that even, oh, if he hears a grunt over your direction, he is going to force that doe to go away from you. You see what I'm saying, because he doesn't want that competition with no other deer. Does not want it, so he'll chase her away from you. And so what the good thing to do, though, is I have one of those bleak cans, yeah, then I'll use a dough bleat, and the dough bleat will attract the dough, and the buck is not worried about. Dough so, so that's usually the best way to go with that, and that really helps. Yeah, let's see. I think I use this buck bomb, like I mentioned before, because it's easy just to spray around. And I'll spray it all around my area, not all. Not only is it a good cover scent, but it it may attract deer. And, and I usually use the DOE and estrus, you know. And, and I spray it on the bushes all around wherever I'm hunting. I'll get up in the tree and I'll spray it on the tree behind me, and spray it on limbs and different things like that. And, and so there's, there's a lot of smell going out from the stand, you know? And hopefully, and I've seen it, I'm not had a lot of good success with bringing the deer in. They don't seem to, it doesn't seem to bother them at all. Yeah, I think early season you use the buck pea, you know? I like that because the bucks are in, and they don't even have to be dominant bucks. They're just Buck because the bucks are hanging around together, pre rut dominant, Buck pea and DOE estrus, you know, the rut dough and estrus, mostly post rut dough and estrus again. You know, you want them. You want those. It's amazing how bucks get all excited. If one doe comes in estrus, you know, they go crazy, and they'll start moving during the day and make a mistake.
Unknown Speaker 16:25
Now, do have you ever used these drips?
Speaker 2 16:29
Oh, yeah, I have many times. Now, those you leave in the stand, you leave over the scrape, right? You hang it, yeah, and just leave it out there. And I think they work really well, and they're dripping only during the day, which is nice. So, yeah, I use those quite a bit, actually, when I put them out, you know, maybe a week before I hunt the stand, you know, late season, when it's all about the food. Now, it's not about hormones or nothing like that. It's all about the food. I'll use that go back to like the pre seed, the dough, the dough pee and the buck pea, you know. And they're usually not too far from the food sources. They bed really close, so, you know, field edges, stuff like that, you know. But, yeah, I believe in using the lures, the buck lures, and DOE lures and and because that's their main communicating devices, they're they're sent. They talk through that.
Speaker 1 17:29
You know, Mike, as hunters, we spend a lot of time in the woods, and our spouses often remind us of that at times and but the great thing about spending time in the woods is you get to see the beauty of God's creation. You get to see things that happen that you normally wouldn't. See owls getting mice. You see Hawks Landing near your tree limb. You see foxes running through the woods. You experience things that a lot of people don't experience on a regular basis. And it's fascinating to see God's creation in action. You know, the Lord created, God created the animals for a reason, yeah, to populate the earth. Yeah. He loves animals, yeah. And so it's great to be in in in God's creation. And it's a, it's almost a spiritual thing. And so that's why we have a spiritual challenge during our podcast every time we have one. And so today we've been talking about sense. So the question for you is, how is your spiritual sense, and how are you attracting people to the gospel message
Speaker 2 18:38
and to Jesus Christ? Yeah, definitely. And that that's really why, why we're still here on this planet. Because if that wasn't our main mission as people, as as God's children, right? Then, then he wouldn't leave us down there. He'd get us out of this mess, right? But he knew, and it's part of his whole plan, that we would be His ambassadors. We would be his hands and feet. We would be his voice. And you know, as Paul says, you know how they won't be saved unless they believe. And how can they believe unless they hear the Gospel? How can they hear it if nobody tells them? And how can somebody tell them if they haven't been sent. Well, Matthew 28 you know the Great Commission, we've been sent. And, and, so, yeah, how do we, how do we attract people to Jesus Christ? Because I know the first thing whenever I lead somebody to Christ, the first thing that I tell them is that they've got an enemy, and he wasn't their enemy before, but he is that you're his enemy right now, and that's the evil one you know, the devil and and he's going to try to do one of two things in your life right away. One is. Is he's going to try to shut your mouth so nobody hears this good news, this gospel. That's what the word gospel means, good news, nobody else hears about this, that eternal life has been paid for by the blood of Christ. It's free, and that we can have eternal life simply by accepting Him, believing him and and, and following him and and, but you know what? Sometimes he can't shut your life, shut your mouth, right? Because you're just too excited about it, you know? You got family, you got friends, co worker, you want them to know, you know? And so he'll try to mess your life up with sin, and you just be a big hypocrite. And so even if you are telling people they're not going to listen to you, you know, so how do we attract people to Jesus? Well, I got a few verses here that I'll share with you, Matthew 516 you can look that up, let your light shine. Now, what's that talking about? So that people can see? You know, a lot of times we as Christians, we hide in the church too much, and we have, and I think we that's why we have, have kind of lost the influence that we should have in our society, right? Is that we've kind of hid in these buildings, right? Because we didn't want to be tainted by the evil, you know, and which is a good at good you know idea that not you know, don't be tainted. Don't be you know, don't, don't let the world get to you and start taking on their their ideas. But, but we want to reach them. That's who Jesus died for. And so we got to be with them. We got to be in all the avenues of life, art, science, you know, our jobs, everything we our hands touch. We do to the glory of God. And that's what he's talking about. You don't put the light under a bushel. Nobody's going to see it. So we want to be light and salt. You know, everywhere we go, salt means salt is a preserver. It's also the thing that brings out flavor. So as people come in contact with you, they should, they should sense life. They should sense a peace from God. They they should sense a hope, you know. And then Peter says that be ready always right to give an answer to everyone that asks you about the hope that you have. So that hope should be pretty evident in your life, and it is if you follow Jesus.
Speaker 1 22:29
Yeah. And the Scripture also talks about, if the salt loses its flavor, then what good is it right to throw it out? So he's saying, if you're not, if you're not salty enough, right, as a believer, you're not going to attract people to the gospel, and your life is is your light, and the shining of the gospel in your heart is an attractant to people. They see you, and they want to know, why can you be so happy, or why can you be content? And how can you how can you be that way with the way things are in the world. Aren't you troubled by these things, right? And so you can say, No, I'm not, and the reason why I'm not is because of Jesus. And that's a great opening. Yeah, the Gospel,
Speaker 2 23:12
yeah, and, and, yeah, it's got to be your life, you know, let your light shine first. Peter 212 also says, Live such good lives among the pagans that though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us. And that's the positive doing our good deeds. You know, not only is it how we handle issues, but it's also how we help these people. You know, when they're when they're down, we're there for them when they're hungry. We're there with food when they're when they need help. We're there to give to cry on. Yeah, we're the hands and feet of Christ, and that's what he's talking about. There live such good lives that this, this, they'll see it. They'll have to be convicted by it. Titus two, seven is another one. Be an example by doing what is good. Colossians four, five and six, be wise in how you act. Now, how do we we get to that point? Because I remember when I first became a Christian, I wasn't very wise, and I'm still working on that. You know what I mean, but, but it's, again, it's those four talks we talked about before, right? Prayer, that's God talk. I mean me talking to God, reading the scriptures, studying the scriptures. That's God's word. That's God talking to us, and then me talking to believers, my brothers and sisters, fellowship. Jesus said, never forsake the assembling of yourselves together. And then the last one is me talking to unbelievers, you know, sharing the gospel. And these four have to be evident in your life, and it will make you wiser. You'll grow. Grow and your relationship with Christ and your wisdom, so you'll have, you'll be ready to have answers for those that ask you about the hope that you have, First Thessalonians, 412 when the respect of the outsider, you know, so you got to act respectful. Philippians, 214, through 16, we will shine. He talks about, in the last day second, Corinthians, 520 talks about, we are His ambassadors. And I love how Paul put that in that perspective. Because what is an ambassador? Think about an ambassador from the United States over to another country. You know, they they got to be careful about how they act, because everything they do is going to reflect back on all of us. He's representing us over there, or she is representing us over there, and and that's the way it is. As for Christians, we represent, he chose to do this. We represent Christ. And you could be, check this question out now, you could be the best Christian. Somebody knows. What does that look like? See? Because you could be the best they've ever seen as a Christian. And hopefully you're a good ambassador for Christ. You know you're a good representative of Christ. So, so those are a few verses that you can look up, meditate on, think about and and you can be attracting people to Jesus Christ, and that's why we're here.
Speaker 1 26:44
Well, Mike and I, we would love to hear from you. Please send us a note or question by going to our homepage, the sandoutdoors.com and hit the Contact tab. We'd also like to pray for you, too. You can leave a prayer request there. Leave your prayer request again. Hit the Contact tab or the DO YOU KNOW JESUS tab? Also check out our targeting the truth Bible studies in the YouTube hunt videos. It's all found at the standout doors.com we love to be able to share the gospel through the hunt videos. Mike's done a great job of just showing you really some fun hunts. They're really well done. And Mike, I know you're excited about some of the new ones, especially the one with you and Joey going to an outfitters
Speaker 2 27:23
killer. You gotta check that out. It's our biggest buck today. Come on.
Speaker 1 27:27
Fun to see those videos again. You can check them out all at the stand outdoors.com. Well, thanks for joining us today. This podcast is available on Apple and many other platforms too. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, leave a review and share it with fellow hunters. Details about our guests, and any links can be found in our show notes, and you can find us again online, the standoutdoors.com that's the standoutdoors.com Until next time for my case, I'm Dave Baker,
Speaker 2 27:55
remember, stand firm in the faith and keep targeting the truth. You Ben, you.