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Three deranged tech founders discuss dating and society.
Welcome back to The Handsome Hour. I've got Wes, Cody, and myself, Stoney. Today, we talk about politics. We talk about tattoos, whether women should have them and what that means. We talk about job satisfaction, meaning.
Stony:We have a debate over the virtues of Andrew Tate, and we wrap up on why everyone should or should not start a podcast or have a horrible business idea. So enjoy. It's the handsome hour.
Wes:People are talking tattoos all the time.
Cody:Oh, boy. Can't wait to dive in.
Wes:It's really exciting. There's, you know, some of the there there's a lot of accounts on on Twitter that I just really, really dislike, but they're just always, like, in in the dating discourse, so to speak. And I'm not gonna cite them or I'm not going to attack them because they've done nothing to me and they might be good people. But I just find them I just find them annoying. You know?
Wes:You get people
Cody:Erudite scholars each and every one. Can't wait to engage with
Wes:them. Well, people are talking about women having tattoos. That's a big, that's a big topic people are are harping on today at least. I'll read what she said. Has it ever occurred to men who hate tattoos that women like me get them because we want to signal to people who aren't them?
Wes:I score 100 out of 100 on openness to experience in the big five. My tattoo expresses that. I do not want to date a guy who runs to a fainting couch when he sees harmless body art. You're likely conventional. I am not.
Wes:And that's why it's absurd to claim women are ruining themselves with tattoos. You wouldn't like me without a tattoo either. So why not visually express who I am? And this is in response. It's not a quote tweet, but it's just in response to just a kind of a general debate happening right now where men are saying, that women with tattoos are not wife material because, having tattoos signals impulsivity.
Wes:It probably means she slept around a lot and whatever. I have thoughts on that, but, what do we think?
Cody:That is probably not what's going on. This is a classic case of, you know, people in the dating world saying that they're doing one thing, but actually they are, whether they're aware of it or not, doing another thing. If your goal is actually, you know, intelligent signaling, to narrow your pool to focus on the person that you want, which we're advocates of here here on the Handsome Hour, then shouldn't you care about how that signal is being perceived by the target audience? If the target audience is giving you the feedback, they are perceiving that in a completely different way than you intend. Shouldn't your reaction to that be go, oh, maybe I need to recalibrate, not to go, it's not for you.
Cody:It's to signal to you. It's like what this is an immediate contradiction. It's like, I'm doing this to signal so that you understand. Oh, you don't understand? Well, that's your fault.
Stony:No. No. No. What she means is I'm signaling to get rid of men like you, but it is a signal I want. So I think her choice of the word you is a little bit vague there.
Cody:I mean, okay. But the the universal overwhelming feedback she's getting is that that is not how any men are interpreting it. I mean, I think this was your point, Wes. Like, tattoos do not signal nonconformity or, like it's like everybody has tattoos. There it's not like, I don't see a girl with tattoos and go, oh, she's probably really high in openness, probably really high IQ and thoughtful and has interesting ideas.
Wes:Yeah. That's not what I think. I have nothing against tattoos, to be clear. I personally would not date a girl who had a ton of them or was covered in tattoos, and it has really nothing to do with any moral judgment about her character. I just don't find it attractive.
Wes:I've never seen the impulse. Like, I've I've always been like, maybe I'll get one tattoo, but here I am. I'm 33 years old. I feel like I've already lived through college in the military and all these experiences where if I was going to get a tattoo, I would have gotten one. I just don't It's it's not again, yeah, it's whether you you what you said is what I tweeted.
Wes:I'm not seeing a girl with tattoos. Like, first of all, every normie girl has a tattoo. Everybody has like, they're not I would think more people have tattoos, at least from what I'm seeing more people have tattoos than not have them. Right? Like, if you have, like, a Nietzsche quote or something, like, I might be like, oh, that's interesting, but then I'm also like, that's kinda corny.
Cody:That's so corny.
Wes:To me, it's like
Cody:There's no there's no tattoo that you need that isn't corny.
Stony:Except for the Chinese characters on your leg. That's that's
Cody:Right.
Stony:Of course. Subtle and tasteful.
Wes:That's really cool.
Cody:That's right.
Stony:Yeah. That's Your name in Chinese characters is always is always a problem. We move this just a little bit, let's look at tongue studs. So would a tongue stud make a woman more attractive for short term dating and less attractive for marriage? I think so.
Wes:And Are you implying that it's gonna feel good on your penis?
Stony:Yes. I mean, what other purpose do people usually get a tongue stud for? I think that was even in pulp fiction.
Wes:Yeah.
Stony:She was asked what's the tongues does for.
Wes:It scares me. The idea of a that it seems like that's a hole that germs are gonna get in, any food in your mouth. It's I I don't I don't think that's like I've ever been in the scenario where, yeah, by the time I know she has a tongue stud, it's like she's already been filtered out on something else. Like, I don't think I've ever been on a date with a girl. It's like, she's got a tongue piercing.
Stony:Nor I never.
Cody:Yeah. Are you kidding me? That is I mean, that all I have to do is see that and go, oh, she has she has herpes. Like, I'm good.
Stony:It's just that that went onto our bucket list and came off two seconds later. Yeah.
Cody:I mean, we talked about this we talked about this before, but, this is another example of people sort of indexing on what is ultimately a proxy. I think for the most part. Right? Yeah. Sure.
Cody:People might have many men might have a direct preference for tattoos and because they think they are per se attractive or unattractive. For the most part, I think it's not what's going on. They're using them as a proxy indicator for other psychological traits that are you know, it's a red flag. Right? And so I do think it is worth separating those.
Cody:Like, that just happens all the time, and people just aren't aware that they're doing that. And there is that delta will add up over time if you're actually there's like 10 examples in your list of preferences that are all indexed on proxies, that delta is gonna add up every single time, and you're gonna end up missing your signal to noise ratio is gonna get it's just gonna get too too bad, and you're gonna you probably will end up having false negatives, which is, you know, bad. But I do think this actually is a case where the delta there isn't super big. Like, I think most guys read is frankly pretty right. Like, tattoos are a pretty consistent indicator of the things that we think that they are or men men think that they are which is, yeah, like, bad.
Wes:Which is what exactly? You know. How does the how does the mechanism Borderline personality
Cody:disorder or whatever. Trauma. Certainly. Daddy issues. Whatever.
Cody:The all the stereotypes.
Wes:Right. I think the argument is usually more that it's like impulsivity. Like, it it means that probably, like, the same type of person who says, Yeah, sure. I'll get like, you know, Tweety Bird tattooed on me and it'll stay there for life. Is probably the same type of person who says like, this bartender, I'll bang him.
Wes:Right? I do think that that I mean, probably more than anything, it is a signal of something like that, which, you know, to me, it's a signal of taste. Like, I don't really care if a girl's tattoos or not, but like I said, it just matters, you know, what they are, like, the quantity of them. It's it's sort of a a case by case judgment.
Stony:If they chose to get a tattoo that's literally called a tramp stamp, that is a shocking lack of awareness or perhaps a lack of concern for the implications. Like, the tattoo was called tramp stamp. If we can dive into linguistics for a second, in German German, they call it butt antlers, which is visually descriptive.
Cody:That's fantastic.
Stony:But in American English, we call it tramp stamp, which has nothing to do with the actual tattoo. It has to do with the character of the woman and even the fact that it was stamped on her.
Cody:That's a great point.
Stony:Not even a decoration.
Cody:They literally went down to the tattoo parlor and said, I'll take the scarlet letter, please.
Wes:Well, tramp stamp's a great, that's a great sign of of or a great example of branding. You know, I don't think people get tramp stamps anymore.
Stony:No. It's it's fallen off.
Wes:Yeah. Well, I think a large part of that is because the the the name tramp stamp stuck so well.
Stony:And the question is why? Because it was. I mean, just the decoration. I'm gonna have it right over my butt so you can kinda see it when I bend over. I mean
Wes:Yeah. I mean, honestly, I think there's something hot about that now. I think it's, like, almost like having breast implants. It's, like, they're now it's, like, kind of horseshoe back into being sexy.
Cody:Disagree.
Wes:Yeah. Okay. It must be.
Cody:No. Feel like I take the side of women often enough to not take the side of women when it's appropriate, which is I just feel like this is, you know, part of the ultimate which is just constantly happening, which is this thing where, like, you know, women wanna have their cake and eat it too. It's like they wanna be able to be sort of I mean, sorry, whores, and also be celebrated for it. Like, they wanna be able to do, you know, whatever they they wanna have no rules. Again, all the power and none the responsibility.
Cody:Right? And so it's like, okay. You know, whatever. If you if you wanna go, if you feel like this is your self expression, like, fine, but then people are gonna judge you on it.
Wes:Yep. It's almost like you can't just do whatever you want, which is it's really hard on everyone. None of us have a tattoo. There's no there's no tattoos on the show. Is that right?
Stony:There's no tattoo. I did consider after my ski accident getting a tattoo on the scar on my back because I have a very long scar, and I was like, what should I get there? But in the end, I decided not to get anything.
Cody:You know what I will say? There actually is, I think, a little bit of a bell curve, a a inverse u curve on tattoos that I feel like I've noticed where a few tattoos, bad. But if I see a girl with, like, a full ass sleeve, actually, those ones tend to be a little bit better. Like, there's a certain amount of, like, committing to the bit that it's like like a straight edge girl or something, you know, might have, like, the full the full sleeve or something. And, like, don't I know.
Cody:I feel like the those types of girls I've met are are it's it's often it's more often not coming from a place of, like, you know, let me show off my trauma.
Wes:Yeah. And they're they're often cool. Like, not, like, necessarily I wanna date them, but,
Cody:like, you
Wes:know, I knew girls, like, in the army who would have a bunch of tattoos, and they're always, like, you could you could have a beer with them. You know?
Cody:Yeah. That's what I've noticed. It's the girl with the one the one Alice in Wonderland quote underneath her on her rib that is, you know, that makes you go, uh-oh.
Stony:The quote I appreciate or I might be misraising it, you know, why would you get a really nice car and put a bumper sticker on it? You know, nobody buys an Aston Martin and then rushes out to get a bumper sticker. I don't think I've seen an Aston Martin with a bumper sticker. I've seen a lot of Subarus with bumper stickers, but have and has anyone seen a really high end car with a bumper sticker? I can't think of one.
Cody:Nope.
Wes:Yeah. I mean, if you it's cool if you do it ironically. Like, if you put a bike rack on a Rolls Royce or, like, you know, you put, like, a honk if you're horny on your on your Lamborghini.
Cody:But General generally, I would advise against permanently committing to irony. Right.
Stony:Yeah. Except for the mustache tattoo. You know, when when people get the mustache on the inside Yeah. That it was a little bit dated, but I could appreciate that.
Cody:The first guy who did that, funny. Every other person after that to the gulag.
Stony:It was you know, it had a nice what's that curve? You know, not the s curve, but there's a there's a different curve. But
Cody:yeah. Yeah.
Wes:It's the it's the how annoying were you in 2010 curve?
Cody:The adoption curve. Yeah. The hipster curve. Alright. Move on.
Cody:Let's move on. We need to have, like, a big we need to have sticks on this podcast. We need to have, like, a buzzer that any of us can hit and it goes No. When we get as soon as we get bored.
Wes:Oh my god.
Stony:I'll get my buzzer out.
Wes:Well, someone better have a topic because that was my topic.
Stony:I do have a political topic, might be relevant for dating. Caroline Leave It, if that's how I'm saying her name, White House press secretary, told young Americans they should get a real job, and called them, I think, and raised with silver spoons in their mouth just getting everything handed to them, which blew up the Internet. Because for any young guy who's looking at what his parents and grandparents had to do to buy a house, marry anything, buy a car, were like, are you insane? And then people talked about the hypocrisy of her marrying a billionaire who is, I believe, as old as her father and then telling everyone in her generation that they're lazy. So this is kind of both a political thing, but also if you as a young man are aggressively focused on, I feel that I'm getting shafted by modern society, modern economy, it's like, great.
Stony:Who do I vote for now? You know, do I vote for the Mandami communist, or do I vote for the right wing, which is telling me I'm lazy?
Wes:Yeah. I mean, there have to be real jobs to get. I everyone can't work in the trades. I I think that that's I think there are diminishing returns there now. You know?
Wes:The world only needs so many plumbers and tradesmen and teamsters. I mean, it's a tone deaf thing to say. To her credit, being White House press secretary is an incredibly hard job. Like, I don't I don't think that she is a hypocrite for marrying a billionaire. Like, yeah, that's great.
Wes:But, like, honestly, I do give her credit because she bear I mean, she married a billionaire and is still, like, choosing to do this incredibly challenging and, like, stressful job. Like, that's one that has to be one of the hardest jobs in the country is the White House press.
Cody:Okay. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
Cody:Feel like my priors on this are the exact opposite. That is essentially a. What what what are we missing?
Wes:No. She has to answer questions. She has to, like, be
Cody:She has to answer oh my god. I didn't think about it from that perspective. She has to answer questions?
Stony:Look. If you wanna marry an older older billionaire, be my guest. But don't don't immediately turn around, particularly in a political job where you're trying to get the vote of disaffected young men and literally shit on them and their efforts and say, no. No. You have it easy.
Stony:Even though the data says you have it hard, you have it easy. And to do so tone deaf after marrying out of the younger generation, but marrying older generation money only compounds that.
Wes:Yeah. To be clear, I do think it's an incredibly tone deaf and stupid thing to say. They're like, what what is a real job now? Like, what what is a real job? What does that mean?
Cody:Yeah. That's a that doesn't mean anything anymore.
Wes:Like, what is in demand? Nurses? Isn't that the thing that's, like, in demand and then everything else is like an email job that, like, is not gonna fill you no like, give you no sense of fulfillment or importance? Like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Like, that's why I have to podcast is because this is the only thing that feels meaningful to me.
Wes:I mean, apart from keeper, of course. But, you know, you gotta put your chips in different numbers on the roulette table. I can't imagine having the motivate. I don't know how people do it. I was just telling Cody this a little bit ago.
Wes:Like, you know, I see people walking to their jobs that you know, anything from Cava to Chipotle and then like Jeffrey's Bank, and it's like, what the hell keeps you going like? Are you just always looking forward to your next vacation or something? Even I was in the army and you see people who do, like, twenty years or something, and they wanna become colonels or whatever. It's like, why? Like, what?
Wes:Like, what is in this for you? Like, no one's ever gonna care. You know? You're just gonna go in every day. And then if you if you get hit by a bus, you know, they'll have a cake party for you, and then they'll clean out your cubicle, and then there'll be another guy sitting there.
Wes:And then by, you know, a month later, everyone will have forgotten you ever existed.
Stony:Okay. So a lot of that I would agree with, but a lot of that is lacking the perspective that this is the default situation for all of history. Three thousand, four thousand years ago, you didn't think about, you know, what am I gonna do? Is my job gonna have meaning? You were just trying to avoid starvation.
Stony:So I think we are completely adjusted to doing things we don't wanna do, including unpaid jobs like vacuuming. I presume everyone here has a vacuum. It's not really necessary. We probably know that because in college, we didn't vacuum once. But all of a sudden, here we are vacuuming once a month, whatever, once a week, and we all survived doing it.
Stony:And I I think I vacuum quite happily without any meaning in it. So I don't I don't think it's surprising that someone would go to a slightly boring bank job because if they're providing for their family, providing for themselves, providing for their kids, I think providing for your kids is one of the most meaningful things you can do. So if those jobs have transitioned from hunting the gazelle or, you know, sewing the field to working at the bank, I can live with that.
Wes:Yeah. I mean, I think this is an interesting topic. I mean, maybe maybe you're talking me into, supporting removal of all social safety nets so I can feel like my job truly is life or death, and I'm going to die if I don't perform at work. Maybe that's, you know, maybe that's what gets me into into McKinsey is the fact that, you know, I feel like I it's my only option. You know?
Wes:No. I mean, obviously, it won't come to that. I'm gonna be fine. But
Stony:I like it won't come to Mackenzie.
Wes:So I you couldn't that's that sounds like the worst thing in the world to me. I remember knowing people who were like, that's all they wanted in life, and you you think they would kill they're, like, just total strivers. You think they'd kill themselves if they, like, didn't get into, you know, Goldman Sachs or McKinsey or, you know, and it's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Please.
Wes:Let me go do the most soul sucking evil fucking, you know, boring ass shit in the world.
Stony:But good good on McKinsey and Goldman Sachs for creating this incentive structure and the status symbol because they're probably going to get the pick of the incoming graduates. So good for them for doing it even if, yeah, none of us here. Also, the thing about those jobs is I think they're often trying to solve solved problems, largely known problems, whereas different personality types, I think all of us wanna solve unknown, unsolved problems.
Wes:Yeah.
Cody:Yeah. I only guess this may be tangential, but it's not really a question of deriving enjoyment from the job per se. I mean, obviously, it's great if you can do that. But the problem is what people are really looking for, men especially from their job or not even their job, just from their productive output, right, which in the modern age usually takes the form of a job, is that they want it to produce meaning, which can look like taking care of a family, but it can also look like other things, and sovereignty. Right?
Cody:And I and I and I think that it's the lack of both of those, but especially sovereignty. I mean, really both of them. That is, like, the big problem. And the you know, in the past, even the recent past, you know, the the, you know, fifties American, like, sort of monoculture that everybody always talks about, it's like, you know, there is this feeling of not just that you could provide for your family because you could make enough of a wage, but that, like, it gave you the certain sense of a, like, status in your community, and that you had an identity, and that that produced some meaning. But also, like, as a sort of it's a sort of nebulous thing to pin down, but it comes from many things.
Cody:It comes from, you know, making enough money. It comes from the sense of status and identity in the community. It comes from all these things and also others. Is that I I feel like there was a little more of the yeah. The sense of, like, sovereignty.
Cody:Right? That, like, you know, I I work like, if I if I lose my job, I can go get another job. If I like, I am this contained unit that where my productive output in and of itself, my ability, my expertise, my knowledge, like, I I am a unit that is sort of self sufficient in some way, and you can take pride in that. And it means that you can have some self determination around your destiny. And if I could get a little bit of agency chutzpah and and and, you know, work ethic, like, can go kinda do anything.
Cody:You can change your career, and there was this sense of the sense of sovereignty and freedom and possibility. Not to say it was easy. Obviously, it wasn't. But there is that sense of possibility. And I think that that has been foreclosed upon largely.
Cody:And I feel like, especially for the people in, like, the trades and and stuff increasingly. And I feel like that is the main pain point, like, main thing that is often sort of brushed under the rug that doesn't get talked about. And that is where the resentment comes from around statements like she made and sentiments like that, where she gets to have this life that feels so self determined and agentic. And most guys and people in the lower classes feel trapped in a way that I think they didn't in the past, increasingly so. I think that's the crux of the issue.
Wes:Yeah. I mean, I think that a lot of even, like I I don't know what the answer is. It's it's it's like there almost is no answer. The the quest for sovereignty is sort of the motivating force behind every decision I've ever made in my life, and I'm glad you put it in those terms because, you know, it's not meaning, really. Like, I'm doing meaningful work right now because I think that I have the luxury of being able to do that.
Wes:But, you know, if I thought that a much better opportunity came along that wasn't quite as glamorous or meaning oriented, then I would, I would take that opportunity. But, you know, I I I think that, you know, what we're working on right now is my best opportunity. I mean, it's, you know, better than anything else we're going to find. However, I think that we're really blessed that there are a lot of people who are happy to work for the weekend or that are, you know, happy to be in a a holding pattern and then just do their job or whatever. But sort of at one point, a lot of the appeal of those types of jobs were like, okay.
Wes:Imagine you're a good coder. And imagine you get to write your own code and you bring it to a stand up on Monday and it's like, yep, here's my code. It's clean. It's efficient. It gets the job done.
Wes:Well, you you have the sense of satisfaction that you've applied reasoning to a problem and solve the problem. Well imagine that you're a very good copywriter and you designed the advertisement or the marketing website and you come to stand up on Monday and you say, Here it is. Here's my work. It's great. I've done I've taken something from zero to one A to B.
Wes:Here we go. Tested it. You know, let's let's let's use it. Well now the coder their codes being written and audited by Claude code, right? So it's like they, you know, it's more efficient.
Wes:It's definitely more efficient. We're glad we have those things. However you know, it's removed sort of the joy that they get of like, you know, applying themselves to a problem and then seeing it, you know, work out. You know, it's better for someone like me because I can just do it. You know, I don't really need them right now.
Wes:I get that feeling, but like it's sort of like the satisfaction is all just matriculating up the hierarchy. It's like, it's all accruing to me instead now. And if you're the copywriter, like, whatever you write is going to get a b tested into oblivion. So it, like, almost doesn't matter as much anymore. It's like you never get to, like, have something be your baby and you get to create it.
Wes:And then I think that this sort of that same process is more and more gets automated and more individually owned tasks get delegated to committees. I think that it really does just, like, sap the satisfaction out of a lot of different types of work.
Stony:So you're talking about mastery, which is something that has to be included in that list. So sovereignty and mastery. I think if we were able to let people to their own devices, I think a lot of this would be solved. I think the amount that we are held back by either regulation or laws or just people getting in our way of pursuing whatever we want is pretty significant. And if you look at all of the where is the revenue being produced in the last where's where's the where's the the the true value being produced in the economy?
Stony:It's largely in the permissionless area. These are areas you don't have to ask for permission. Anybody can start a tech company. The barrier to entry is incredibly low. Someone with a laptop and a couple $100 to register a c corp in America can start a company.
Stony:They can get a Stripe account. They can throw up a website. And before you know it, they can be generating money without having to ask anyone. And I appreciate that you don't want this attitude with doctors. You don't just want anyone to become an unlicensed surgeon.
Stony:But at the same time, when you look at the restrictions around how difficult it is to get anything done in the lockdown permissioned economy, not only does it make all of our lives worse, it just destroys innovation. And the way you know that you can absolutely see that is LASIK is a good example. It's usually not covered by insurance. It's usually a retail service, and you get in and you get it done. And anyone who's taken their dog to the vet also sees that you probably have a lot of efficiency here, whereas you don't have efficiency in colleges, DMV, medicine, anywhere where permissions are strong.
Stony:So I think a lot of us, and certainly those of us who are happier, I think, are gonna find us gravitating towards things that they can choose to do. So you can't have sovereignty working at a government job. Maybe you can, but it's incredibly difficult.
Wes:I think that a lot of the thrash you get, like, from, dealing with government employees actually is like them trying to establish some kind of sovereignty. You'll get this like, someone is a bureaucrat, and they've worked in the same department for ten years, and they've been filing the same pieces of paperwork for ten years, right? And a lot of times like when you get this government paperwork, and it doesn't really explain what they want on it like it's like it can be very vague. So you fill in the information and you don't do it in the exact right format, and then they get mad at you for not understanding how they're the thing that they are masters of is supposed to be done. And it's like I feel like that's a little bit like just like them like needing to feel like they have a kingdom and, like, needing to feel like they're smarter than you.
Wes:It's like, oh, you don't understand how to fill out this paperwork? Like, well, why didn't you read the regulation? It's like, fuck. You didn't read that shit either. You've just been doing it for a hundred years.
Wes:Like, you know, I have to deal with 20 people like you all with different, you know, little kingdoms. I can't remember all of your job. They'll be mad that you don't know how to do their job.
Stony:I think what you're talking about is that people lacking authority and sovereignty will instead do whatever they can to seize power and feel like they're important. Because what else do they have? They don't have any other way to achieve you know, when we're trying to achieve mastery, it's trying to become better at something. But if you lack that, then raw power is, I think, the next best proxy, the next best alternative. I don't like it.
Stony:Yes. But I think that's what we gravitate to as humans.
Cody:Yeah. And I think that's a lot of I feel like what's happened is that the this is speaking to sort of your point, Stoney, but also more broadly, I feel like increasingly what's happened is that a greater and greater greater percentage of the economy the economy is explained by or or is essentially comprised of rent what is effectively rent collection. Right? So and I and I think all of these things speak to the an impulse that I think is, frankly, especially prominent naturally among men, maybe maybe almost exclusively. Like, I think this is one of the ways that maybe men and women differ the most, which is that I think men have an intrinsic desire, because maybe they're evolved for the natural world more, to actually produce value, to not collect rent.
Cody:That's tied to all these things. They want mastery. They want to see they want mastery over the natural world. They want to actually be able to make the fire. They don't want to they don't want to just get, you know, praise for making a fire.
Cody:They want to actually be able to make the fire so that they can actually take care of their family and actually cook the meat. And, obviously, I'm speaking in generalizations. There are certainly exceptions to this. There are male bureaucrats, etcetera, etcetera. But I think this is part of one of the many variables that is happening at the modern world is that because more more and more the government the gov these various governmental complexes, etcetera and so there's this sort of the part of the dialogue that's happening is, like, on the one hand, there's this he had this attitude from and, again, taking it back to this press secretary.
Cody:You know? This general ad this diffuse attitude and sentiment of, like, there are people succeeding. Like, just do what they're doing. And if you can't, it's your fault. And it's like, but what percentage of those people succeeding are doing it via some kind of rent collection?
Cody:Some kind of bureaucratic, false, you know, non value creating operate you know, mode of being. And the men that are being disenfranchised, predominantly men, but not only. There are women in this category too, often are, at least in part, disenfranchised because they don't wanna be rent collectors. They don't want they're trying to be actually do something real. And that is that is a thing that has become more and more and more difficult except for maybe in a few narrow domains like tech or whatever.
Cody:If you're an, you know, if you're an if you're an AI founder, maybe maybe that's one of the realms where it's become easier. But, otherwise yeah.
Stony:If you look back, and I might be getting my centuries wrong, but certainly around 1700, 1800, you could get a plot of land covered with trees, make a log cabin, clear it, start farming, start engaging in in producing value with your own hands, and there wasn't a single government form to fill out. And now if you wanna build your own house, you wait for permits, you wait for inspectors, you absolutely need permission from the government to do just about anything. You wanna cut someone's hair for money. You probably need a piece of paper from the government. And this friction is debilitating.
Stony:I think it's soul crushing, and we don't want that anymore. And I think we look around, and we don't know who to turn to to say end this. End this control over my life. I just want my freedom back. And people might say, well, that's that's pushing it.
Stony:You have freedom. But in most areas, the government has decided what you can and can't buy, to a point where you can and can't say, certainly who you can and can't work with, what you can and can't build. This is all encompassing.
Wes:You know, I've certainly got some haircuts that made me wonder what the hell the point of that certificate is.
Stony:It's a good question.
Wes:Yeah. We've definitely gotten some really shitty haircuts from people with a state certification in cutting hair.
Stony:I think you could argue it's hygiene, So maybe. But, yeah, it's a reasonable question. If they have a certificate, why is
Wes:this something? They didn't cut my year off. This dovetails nicely with, like, kind of the other discourse that I've been seeing today. I haven't spent that much time on Twitter today, but we've so we've somehow looped right back into the other thing. We didn't do this on purpose.
Wes:But, you know, apart from just having a job with agency or a job where you can, you know, do all the things that we've been talking about, you know, a job with meaning and and that gives you sovereignty and and opportunities for mastery. Like, women women care about how much money you make, but they wanna see you applying yourself to. And what what brings us up? This reminds me, I I was dating a girl, and I was had a work from home job, and this girl, tweeted. She's like, you know, women really wanna see their their man leave, leave work for leave for the office in the morning.
Wes:Right? And I read this to you. I'm like, what the like, do you have something to say to me? Because, yeah, I was, like, working my ass off, but I'm, you know, sitting at home on the computer for twelve, thirteen hours a day. So it, like, doesn't look like work.
Wes:You know? It's like it's easier for them to imagine you're out doing like something interesting. But, this, this guy tweets, he's like a a successful day trader. He says, my wife hates my lifestyle. Even though I'm averaging 300 to 500 k a year from trading, she hates that I trade for two to three hours a day, then play PlayStation and chill for the rest of it.
Wes:It doesn't matter how much I make. She treats me like her unemployed bum husband who won't get a job. And then, Bronze Age shoddy. I like Bronze Age shoddy, She said, no amount of money can fix the spiritual malady of being a loser. And I I mean, sometimes you just you can't win.
Wes:Right?
Cody:Did you know how hard it is to be consistently profitable as a as a retail trader? Like, that guy, that's incredibly, incredibly impressive that he's able to pull out, you know, the if it's what he's saying is true, that pull that steady income
Wes:If true. Trading. Big if true.
Cody:Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, dude That is incredibly difficult. Grinded for years to develop that that expertise. Like, you know, if you the fact that he's taken the foot off the gas pedal a little bit now look.
Cody:One part of me is a little bit sympathetic because it's like video games are pretty lame. If if he were taking that time to do something else that isn't productive, like, let's say, paint, my suspicion is that she would also and by to be clear, economically productive. My suspicion is that she would also take issue with that. And so that is the an example of a scissor, would say, between sort of my perspective and hers, which is like the the re what makes the video game what I think makes the video games lame is different than what she thinks makes the video games lame. To her, it's because it's not economically productive.
Cody:To me, it's because it's not it's not nurturing anything in your life. Not not your not your soul, not your I mean, not just not your wallet.
Stony:I still think the short version is get an office. You know? Get out of the house. Get an office.
Cody:No divorce, sir.
Stony:If if you are that day trader making 3 to 500, just be visibly gone.
Cody:Yeah. That's that's such a band
Wes:aid over the problem, though.
Stony:I don't think it is. I I there seems to be a general agreement that women cannot stand to see their mates taking a nap or being lazy. If that's an evolutionary tactic, good luck with asking them that. I can absolutely imagine that the evolutionary tactic of nagging your your your mate when he's laying around was biologically and reproductively good strategy in caveman days.
Wes:So Yeah.
Cody:I mean, this is where the behind every great man trope comes from. Look. Here's my here's my philosophy around this. Like, both men and women have their, you know, evo bio, evo psych hard coded, you know, very bald faced vertical traits preferences like pure SMV, know, shallow, whatever you wanna call it. Like, these things where it's like men just want, oh, you're so big tits.
Cody:Women just want a rich guy. Like, we all have these things. That's not going away anytime soon. My philosophy is but call them out. Let's call it what it is.
Cody:Let's call a spade a spade. You know, this is not it's like the whole human project in some sense is like we're trying to get out of the mud. Okay? We're trying to get out of the muck. We don't wanna stay fucking, you know, cavemen forever.
Cody:We don't wanna stay trilobites forever. So, like, okay. You can have your you can have your sort of shallow preferences or whatever, but don't celebrate it. Let's call it what it is. And don't be surprised when insofar as you are leaning into your lower nature, people lean into that with you back.
Cody:It's like input into the system is out. So it's like, okay, Fine. Then then don't be upset when your husband, you know, says you need to go to the gym. Gain gain gain
Wes:gain a couple pounds here. I'm not even
Cody:productive to spend his time generating more profit for her to spend.
Stony:Yeah. And and profit at a a a wife approved occupation.
Cody:Right. Well, I
Stony:mean there's there's
Wes:don't know if that's what's happening.
Stony:In that situation. Not
Cody:that he's right. It's that it's the it's the inefficiency. It's that he's spending what could have been productive hours doing something unproductive. Think about what you could be making if you were spending the rest of your waking hours doing something equally productive. You could we could be pulling in 10 x 10 x that or whatever.
Wes:Well, it's actually interesting in his exact circumstance because it's like if he spent any more time trading, it actually might be a net negative because, you know, like, you if if trading isn't isn't one of those things where you get more the more time you put into it unless you
Cody:Oh, for sure. But presumably, he could apply the same talent and skills that right. That he that he spent developing his skill set in trading. He could apply that to something else and get equally
Wes:He could be building an ecom business. He could be selling dog collars on the Internet.
Cody:Or he'd be getting better at trading. I mean, there's no limit to how much money you can make trading. There are people who make hundreds of millions dollars a year trading.
Stony:And it's also it's also not a job that makes society better. He's not creating any value. He's literally capturing value. So people who go out and build a business, people go out and create something. Heck, we're creating podcasts.
Stony:And that's interesting enough, jumping a little bit sideways, that's been a little bit more in the discourse recently about makers versus takers. And I'm not knocking it. He is earning an honest living, but he's really playing a probably close to zero sum game. Whereas people who are out there making something, producing something of value are not playing a zero sum game. They are increasing the abundance in the world.
Stony:Yeah. So I'm gonna I'm gonna give his wife some credit there even if it's not phrased very well or he didn't
Cody:appreciate That's not her point, though. That is not her point. You
Stony:don't no. No. Hold on. Hold on. Point, bro.
Stony:No. We only we only know his side, and he's not gonna describe the situation in a way that makes him look maximally bad. So and I don't know if his wife is gonna articulate it very well, but I don't think it's crazy that she's identifying that at no moment during the day is he making the world a better place.
Cody:Andrew Tate, that is not the sense that what's that, Wes?
Wes:Andrew Tate replied to the tweet. You wanna
Cody:This one that we're talking about right now? Yeah. Nobody said. I can't wait to hear what Andrew Tate thinks on a topic.
Wes:He says, what the fuck are you clowns doing? Fuck another woman and tell her she will beg you to go back to only video games.
Cody:Perfect. That's what we need.
Stony:More more psychopathy. Oh,
Wes:good. Yeah.
Stony:Like, he's
Cody:not Psychopathy is solved with more psychopathy. With this Yeah. Oh, no. Is there an too many bees here? This can be solved with yet more bees.
Wes:Yeah. I don't know. To Sony's point about makers versus takers, I think if I think if Andrew Carnegie was born in 1993, he would have a dating podcast. He'd be a, you know, a titan of industry like the three of us here.
Stony:We're a titan of dating podcasts. Yes.
Cody:Look. I mean yeah. I mean, look. You know, Andrew Tate needs to be have hot lead poured down his throat.
Stony:Cody, I I I have to pause you for a second. He's one of the few people on the planet sticking up for young men. The reason he was arrested is because he's seen as a threat to the system by telling young men they don't have to listen to the authorities. And why do you think he went through hell and back? Why do you think he was canceled?
Stony:Why do you think his bank accounts were seized? Because the government doesn't want people to listen to him.
Cody:Yeah. That's fair. I mean, he should get some credit for, you know, being, like, speaking speaking truth to power or whatever. I only use the I don't I don't think he is some kind of truth maximizing optimally maximally truth seeking object. I think that he is
Stony:It's it's not about it's not about that he's, quote, maximally truth seeking, but he is honest in that he's willing to say whatever he wants to the point that his life has been turned upside down. I mean, he's gone through years of jail. He's been attacked by by governments. So you have to ask yourself, why is the government attacking him? This is the government that neither of us trust.
Stony:This is the government, the English government, and you know how I feel about them blindly watching a quarter million English girls get raped, and yet the number one target for them is Andrew Tate. And, again, you're gonna you guys
Cody:I don't disagree with that.
Stony:When I deal with deal with England. I don't know if you guys know this. A couple I think it was Muslim, people started beating up a white guy. He started fighting back, and the cop came over and arrested him.
Wes:I saw it on video.
Stony:Yeah. So this is the English government right now, which is goal is to arrest young, usually white men, for standing up and asserting their rights not to be attacked. Same thing for the fathers that would try to rescue the girls from
Wes:Do you know that guy's being charged?
Stony:The they're they were charging him, but they're now admitting that they're reviewing it, but they still haven't come out and said, we're sorry. We made a horrible mistake. So that's the government that's attacking and take stealing the funding.
Wes:Andrew Tate made his money is incredibly unethical. I don't wanna, like, counter signal Andrew Tate, but I also Right. Like, he's a caricature like again, like engaging seriously with Andrew Tate is like it's a little. It's a little bit like taking Trump very, very literally. You're like taking any of these guys too literally.
Wes:It's like you're just making a you're falling for one of the classic blunders. Right? Like, he is a clown. He is a he is a Oh, is he
Cody:One of the classic yeah. You know how Poe's laws that if you get a conversation enough time and inevitably Hitler will be brought up? Stoney's laws where if you talk to Stoney long enough, eventually England will come up.
Stony:But I think England is the leading edge of where America's going.
Cody:Fair fair enough. No. No. I I think you made good point, Stony. I mean, I I don't necessarily disagree.
Cody:I think Andrew Shade is a, you know, he's a clown. He's a character in in the in the public sphere. I would characterize him as a as a useful psychopath. You know? Yes.
Cody:He is doing things that I find temper you know, useful temporarily. And in that sense, he is a sort of, I guess, on paper ally. But, you know, one of the things that that that shaped my ear my my early brain is I think I've said this to you, Wes. The South Park guys, Matt Stone and Trey Parker, they did this interview. And they said, like, our basic thesis, the the thesis of South Park.
Cody:And they were talking about politically, but they said, you know, there are people yelling and screaming hysterically on the left, and there are people yelling and screaming hysterically on the right. And our job is to be in the middle making fun of both of them. And that really shaped my early brain. I was like, oh, yes. That is right.
Cody:Andrew Tate is the guy who's screaming hysterically on the right, and I think he makes some good points. But no. Neither a nor b. You know, I wanna be the guy who says, no. No.
Cody:No. Here's what is actually right and correct. Don't be a psychopath. How about that? So, yes, he is temporarily aligned with some things and and that I agree with, and he is serving a purpose that is maybe net good temporarily.
Cody:But, ultimately, all the psychopaths need the scarlet letter. They all need to be sent onto the ship and to Neptune.
Stony:You but you you need to understand why of all of the young male influencers, he is most hated. So you look at Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson was largely reviled and hated by The Guardian and The New York Times, and they attacked him left and right. And his message to young men, young everyone in general, but it was his message that was most listened to by young men, was things like stand up straight, clean your room, take responsibility for yourself. And for that, he was he was just attacked.
Stony:But in no way was he arrested and had his bank account seized like Andrew Tate. So you've gotta understand why does the the British and, to an extent, American government view Andrew Tate as the pinnacle of danger to their regime.
Cody:No. I I I'm in agreement with that.
Wes:Yeah. Maybe Andrew Tate is actual crimes to be arrested.
Cody:I I agree. I in fact, I I know this whole sound oh, not true, but I definitely predicted the rise of Andrew Tate. You can ask me. Like, I was for years, I was saying there will be somebody who comes along who says the right word, makes the right sounds in the right order, that, like, mobilizes the disenfranchised incels or whatever. And when they do, they're gonna be seen as, like, number one enemy of the state.
Cody:And that is the role that Andrew Tate has stepped into. So, like, you know, I I agree. And he is point to point to do some real truths and etcetera, etcetera. And in that way, he is a he is a useful psychopath. There are many things that I I do think he right now currently, for all his flaws, he probably, from my political view, is probably a net positive.
Cody:That doesn't mean that I think from a virtue ethics perspective, he is not ultimately horrifically, you know, just a horrific entity that needs to be, you know, scorched to the solar flare.
Stony:Well, we'll have some I'll I'll try to find the super broky video, and you can you can tell me what you think after you watch that.
Cody:Yeah. Sure. I'm happy to reevaluate.
Stony:It's it's hard to find it because it he's been scrubbed off every device. That's the other thing is that actually for him to get a message. And that's that's the interesting thing about censorship. You're generally not stopping the person from continuing their message. What you're doing is you're preventing the listeners from hearing it.
Stony:So again, censorship is really not about the speaker. It's about viewing their message as contagious and trying to shut it down.
Wes:So Do you do
Cody:you think that he actually has, like, a noble soul or something? You think he's not a bad person? Setting aside the consequential effects of of his of his actions.
Stony:So if you if you certainly look at his his rise, some of it was boxing. I don't think that's necessarily in any way an an ignoble, unnoble sport. Some of it I think a little bit was chess. A lot of it was effectively selling, selling webcam girls. So so light or live pornography, on, like, an individual basis.
Stony:So I think he was OnlyFans before there was OnlyFans. And I do find OnlyFans reprehensible, and that it is trying to, I guess, distribute, democratize so everyone's next door neighbor can be a porn star, which is From
Wes:what I understand, he was setting up like cam girl mills, and he was Yeah. He was it was very
Cody:He was even way worse
Wes:than that.
Cody:Way worse.
Wes:He was actually worse. Yeah.
Cody:He would actively scam young guys. There's a sweetheart scam where they would get the guys to wire the girls. The girls would lead them on. He trained men like, a team of men to do this, to send a specific sequence of messages that would convince the guys that to send the girl, like, thousands and thousands of dollars because, you know, it was a it was a classic. And this is one of the reason he's gotten into legal troubles because that is a that is illegal.
Cody:That is illegal to steal people's money
Stony:with a sweetheart. No. The reason he got into legal problems was he said the wrong things to the people in power. That's the thing is that of the things he've done he's done is nowhere near as bad as probably anybody on the Jeffrey Epstein list, and those guys walk away scot free.
Cody:I mean, yes, the archvillains of our time. It's just So what's Luther.
Stony:The reason we know his name as bad is because the state wants us to think that.
Cody:No. But okay. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm making a character judgment based on the things I've seen. I'm not I'm not because I I'm not listening to, you know, Piers Morgan's declaration that, like, he that he's an enemy.
Cody:I don't take
Stony:By way, Piers Morgan state. I love how Piers Morgan keeps on having him on to attack him. We're like, Piers, you're just going for the clickbait. You're just going for you you just want the audience.
Cody:Piers want I mean, yeah, Piers Morgan's job is equally reprehensible. Not equally, but almost.
Stony:Yeah. Yeah. He's worse. Let's let's He does it with the sheen of I'm a good person. I don't think Andrew Tate's ever come across and said, I'm a moral guy.
Stony:You should you should listen to me for that.
Wes:Well, regardless of of Andrew Tate, we could debate his merits all day. The only time he ever comes up in my timeline is, when he's being funny. Like, when he said he said there are four races. He said there's white people, there's people, there's Chinese people, and there's No.
Stony:Well, I I I I think I I saw that. There was five.
Wes:What's number five? Wow. Okay. So there's four.
Stony:No. No.
Wes:Wait. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Okay. It's some other thing.
Cody:I mean, he's not that like, there's are only, like, what? Six. That's just funny. Highest all categories? Can The real taxonomy of race is if you really wanted to go to binary, there really are only two races, which is, like, Jewish people and black people.
Cody:Those are the those are the poles. Those are the ends of the spectrum. Everything else exists.
Stony:You might be you might be alone there, but okay. The spectrum is basically the advisement.
Wes:Before we wrap up, I wanted to bring up one last topic because this is yeah. I think I think last week we talked about the dating app for neuro atypical people. That was a, in my opinion, a funny business idea. I met a gentleman at Stoney's Sony Sony to cook out a couple weeks ago, and I went there. I met a gentleman who's starting a company for a product.
Wes:And I don't want to say anything bad about this gentleman. I think that he seems like a smart entrepreneur. But when I tell you what this product is, you may recoil in horror, and you may say to yourself, there's there's no chance you could pay me $10,000 to use this product. And, if I may, let me let me try to steal man in here. Let me try to pitch it.
Stony:Well, let let's talk about the initial reaction to hearing the idea may cause an emotional reaction in men. And we're really gonna talk about the emotional reaction to hearing the product deployment.
Cody:Fair enough.
Wes:Okay. What what okay. You ever use a condom? Have you ever been using a condom and and you've said, man, it would be great if I could put this inside of my penis instead of outside of it? Well, sharks, I'm here today with what is a condom alternative.
Wes:It will keep you from transmitting STDs. It will keep you from getting a woman pregnant. What it basically is is a tampon that you stick down the tip of your dingus, and then you inject it before you have sex. And when you bust, nothing's coming out. It's gonna get all I it sounds like very unhealthy, but this guy seems to have done the research, and I guess it's not, and it's better than a condom for some reason.
Cody:There is a zero percent chance that
Wes:Any way
Cody:that you can you know all the ways, that it could work, that it's not dangerous, that I would ever use. Yeah. Like, it'll
Stony:I I believe he described it as either five or eight millimeters in diameter, which I think is like the little red straws you get in a bar with your drink that they're they're almost, too small to use as straws. So you'd be putting something like that down your urethra before sex. And I'm just trying to imagine, hey, baby. We're in the mood. Hold on a second.
Stony:I've I've gotta put a straw on my penis. Is is I mean, it's not a straw, but something resembling a straw is it's just it's an initial hard sell. I'm gonna go out and say that.
Cody:Yeah. That's insane. You're right. That's
Wes:that's I that's why I'm like like, there it almost bears no discussion. I think it's the perfect topic to end on because, no. Like, man, they're they're I've seen problems. I've seen I've solutions to problems that don't exist, and then I've seen, horrors beyond my mind's worst in, like, you know, beyond human contemplation.
Stony:It's like, oh, you have a mouse problem. Here's some rats. They'll eat the mice. And you're like, I don't know if that's a step up, but but thank you.
Wes:Yeah. Unless you have a latex allergy or something. But even then, have, like, sheepskin condoms or lanolin. Sheepskin. Or
Cody:is, like, classic example, like, one of those things where where you go, like, you know, you hear the stat of, like, you know, eighty percent of startups fail. You're like, oh my god. It's so hard. And then and then, you know, you hear what the eighty percent of startups are. And you're like, oh, that's the comp okay.
Cody:Alright.
Wes:It's a drone that fucks your wife. Yeah.
Cody:Right. Right. A subscription service where once a week, a guy comes through and stabs you with a knife in the balls.
Wes:Sass. Stabbings as a service.
Cody:Yeah. It reminds me of, like, my first time I ever went to SF. This was only a couple years ago, shockingly. I get in the Uber, and the guy within five minutes, the guy is pitching me his startup. It was just incredible.
Cody:It was, like, the most SF. It was delightful because it like, oh, I'm getting this is what I wanted. I'm having the SF experience. I'm getting pitched by the Uber driver. And it was the It's a
Wes:great idea. It's one of the
Stony:I love this
Wes:story. I love this startup.
Cody:It was the yeah. I already told Wes about this. I got out of the Uber just, like, just glowing, telling everybody it was it was so fun. I let me see if I can even reproduce it. You might remember it better than he was.
Cody:He wanted to put massage booths in Costcos.
Wes:And to be clear,
Cody:not for the customers, for the employees As a rest station where they get and also, there was no masseuse. It was self massaged. So what this really was was a chair and a Theragun in the corner of the employee lounge But the employees could go take a ten minute break and Theragun themselves, and they wanted the Costco general managers to pay for this.
Stony:Even if that's a good idea, the Costco can just buy the Theraguns. I mean, they are
Cody:They they're fair.
Stony:They're purchasers. That's the best
Wes:part of it.
Cody:I was gonna go walk down their aisle, open carry it into the employee lounge.
Stony:What's the markup? We're gonna we're only gonna charge you double what it would cost then yeah. Oh my goodness.
Wes:Yeah. It's it's the the whole the business literally reduces to I buy a massage table. I buy a Theragun. I put them in your break room. That's the business.
Wes:Who gives the massage? Another employee gives it. Oh, so your employees can now sexually harass each other.
Stony:Yeah. And where do you where do you buy this from? I buy it from you.
Cody:Yeah. Which is great. Fantastic.
Stony:That is is pretty bad. That's that's almost up there with the, the underwear gnomes, meme from South Park.
Wes:What? It's gnomes to steal your underwear? Yeah. That's the business?
Stony:Yes. You you should Google that.
Wes:It's pretty episode. I just can't.
Stony:No. It's it's step one, steal the, steal the underwear. Step two, question mark. Step three, profit.
Wes:Yeah.
Stony:And that's that meme of what is step two. We don't know, but we know step three is profit is a is a good one. One of my favorite subtle bad businesses was the software that helped, art dealers detect potential money laundering transactions so that the art dealers wouldn't sell their art to money launderers. And I was like, so if they give you money to run the software, they can make less sales and make less money overall.
Cody:Yeah. Isn't that, like, one of the main things that aren't like
Stony:It's like the point. Right. Like, how are you gonna be how are you gonna be an art dealer if you're not gonna work with the money
Wes:I have I have a software. We're gonna sell to the mafia, and we're going to use the software to make sure they're not committing extortion. Yeah. Oh,
Stony:okay. Extortion of media.
Cody:Yeah. Fantastic. Alright. Well By
Stony:the way, can I can I can I just tell everyone my one bad business idea that I've always wanted to do? And anyone here can steal my idea. I've always wanted to do a Where's Waldo book, but on one page, Waldo's just missing.
Cody:You must have just tried
Stony:to say tell anyone. You you you package it like normal, and then you give it to your enemies. And it comes wrapped in, like, a special, like, thing that says, warning, evil wears Waldo. Remove this wrapper. Give this to your enemy, and you give it to some OCD obsessed person.
Stony:They're like, they do one page, two pages. Page three, they're like, where the fuck is Waldo? Having a nervous breakdown. They're like dividing everything into grids and crossing the grids off. I think an evil Where's Waldo would be one of the best evil gifts ever.
Cody:This is not that bad idea. Snipe. I can only imagine you devise this based on knowing a very there's a very specific person in your life.
Stony:No. No. I just I just thought nope. I just thought this would be a great one. Or, you know, this is a little bit you know, they're not as popular anymore, but those those things that you unfocus your eyes and the three-dimensional thing appears.
Wes:Magic eye.
Stony:You just there's nothing there.
Cody:There's nothing there.
Stony:It's got people, like, staring at her for I'm gonna do it. Nope. Nope. Right. This is just a bad magic eye.
Wes:Sony, why does Rose Waldo have a different name
Cody:in the like an IQ test, but it gives everybody the result of 92. Well, on that note, I think we are I think we are the prophet. I think we're doing that. I think it's start a podcast, middle step, not sure, profit. And we're in that middle step.
Cody:So
Stony:I'm just loving this. I think we all agree that this is a blast. So I hope everyone goes out and starts your own podcast. Not on not on dating. We don't want any more
Wes:competition. We want nobody starting podcasts. We want nobody starting podcasts. We want more people listening to podcasts.
Stony:List to our podcast to learn how to start your
Wes:own podcast. Yeah. If you're just if you are listening to this, the show's starting to get popular, so this is the time to, you know, share autographs. Right. The show.
Stony:Invest now. This is
Wes:Yes. Invest now.
Cody:Buy low sell out.
Wes:Start telling everyone you like the show now because soon it's gonna be trite to say that. And then shortly after that, we'll have our inevitable fall for the
Stony:first person to get the the mustache tattoo on your finger. Don't You wanna be the 800 and thirty second person. You wanna tell everyone about the Handsome Hour podcast now while you're still cool.
Wes:Yep. Yep. Yep. Alright.