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In a world that feels increasingly chaotic, uncertain, and hard to make sense of, Realms of Curiosity with Sarah and Wendy offers a different kind of conversation.
Drawing from shamanic practice, psychology, and decades of firsthand experience with non-ordinary reality, Sarah and Wendy explore the deeper forces shaping our inner and outer worlds—from intuition and consciousness to deception, transformation, and the shifting nature of truth itself.
They don’t claim to have answers. Instead, they follow curiosity into the unknown—questioning, exploring, and inviting you to do the same.
Because in times like these, curiosity might be one of the most powerful tools we have.
Welcome to Realms of Curiosity. Listen in as two friends explore the mysteries of the universe through the lens of their otherworldly experiences.
Sarah:So here we are. We're going to talk about manifestation today.
Wendy:Hi, Sarah. Yes. Why don't we do that?
Sarah:Yes. Why don't we do that?
Wendy:Yeah. Well, as I've said before, I think you are a masterful manifester, and I would love to hear how you approach that aspect of your life. And maybe why don't you share with me what you think manifestation is? What is it?
Sarah:Yeah. It's a good place to start. So many people have told me that I'm a good manifester. It's like a really interesting thing. And I do think there's something to it because I've spent a lot of time thinking about what what what is manifestation.
Sarah:It became very trendy to talk about manifestation, and I I felt it was like, ugh, the way it was being represented. But it got me thinking a lot about manifestation and how do I manifest? Why am I a good manifester? And I think there's a lot to it that's very mundane, in fact. There's there's an aspect to it that's very woo woo also.
Sarah:But I think the mundane part of it is is well, the way I see it is you're changing yourself in order to call in something from the universe. In other words, it's not like you're going to wake up tomorrow when there's a car that appeared, although it could happen, I guess. But it's like I've had experiences with clients where, because we're in Hollywood, somebody will say, I want to be a director. And I'll say, Well, so what have you done? You gone to school?
Sarah:Have you connections? Blah blah. I'll ask a few questions.
Wendy:Sure.
Sarah:Well, no. They haven't. You know?
Wendy:It's just a desire.
Sarah:It's just a desire. And somehow, they're wanting to manifest to be a director, but they're negating that there's all these steps that have to be taken to be a director. It's like the most coveted thing. And, yeah, wouldn't it be fun? You know?
Sarah:I mean, you can direct, you can take your phone, and you can make a film. Know?
Wendy:Very true. Yeah.
Sarah:But until you've
Wendy:That's made not what your client meant, though.
Sarah:Exactly. They want to be this, like, Oscar winning director. Have you gone to school? No. Have you had, you know, somebody to work with you?
Sarah:No. Have you made a film? No. Like, okay. To be a director like Steven what's his name?
Wendy:Spielberg.
Sarah:Spielberg. He started making movies when he was like 10 years old, or some ridiculous thing. And so I think people often think that they can think themselves into the manifestation that they want. Like, I want abundance.
Sarah:Okay. What are you going to do about that abundance? The mundane part of it. But then on a more esoteric plane, I think of manifestation. When I'm thinking about my own manifestation, I go to the upper world and I see infinite timelines which look like cables going off into the universe, like infinite number of these cables.
Sarah:And I feel as though what I'm trying to do is, through working on myself, I'm trying to kind of go into a different timeline. But I have to be working. What am I willing to do to switch that timeline? What are my blocks? Where are my trauma?
Sarah:I see trauma in these timelines as these knots that exist in timeline. And you have to figure out how to get through there in order to switch or to make your world different from what it is.
Wendy:Okay.
Sarah:And so but that last part, you know, that's the healing part of yourself. How do you get rid of those trauma points? How do you allow yourself to to have the confidence to move like, what are you willing to do in order to manifest this next thing in your life? Yeah.
Wendy:Okay. Well, that that makes sense. I wanna get back to the example you were just giving. So what have you done in order to take the steps to learn how to be a director and play? I it is that just so you're setting a goal.
Wendy:You have a dream.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And then anyone who has a dream or a goal, you're not going to achieve it unless you take those steps.
Sarah:Exactly. You can't, like, wish it. It's not like abracabra.
Wendy:And that's what I wanted to get to, which I think is a real when we had I I I mentioned this in the conversation we had about dismemberment, about magical thinking. I was new to the spiritual world. I was exploring all this stuff, and I had this overarching magical thinking process going on where I I thought anything could happen because I wanted it to happen. Oh, yeah. I think that's a normal process in anyone's spiritual development that they go through that phase, or it's just me.
Sarah:No. I think it's I think it is because when you start connecting to the magic, it you don't you don't really get it. You know, you're experiencing things in alchemical manifestation, like all that stuff. But I don't know, do you think that you can just, like, poof, manifest? Or do you think that this process lost?
Wendy:I don't I don't think you can do that. Or or if you do, it's extremely rare.
Sarah:Extremely rare.
Wendy:Yeah. Because I think what you're hitting on when you're talking about your process is the thing that the reason why not all of us are manifesting our dreams and our desires incessantly is because we have all of these blocks preventing us from having those things. And so that that's probably part of the process. Well, it is part of the process. And all of these are unconscious to me.
Wendy:It's like, well, what is preventing me from having this in my life? Yeah.
Sarah:Exactly.
Wendy:And, yeah, and I think that's why I am not as good of a manifester because I've it's become very clear to me how I I get in my own way because of programming early in my life.
Sarah:Ex well, like, the the bump in the in the timeline. Right?
Wendy:Yeah. And I'm and this is coming to light in a much more all caps bold letters kind of way lately because it's becoming a really apparent to me how much in my upbringing that I had the message of you're on your own kid. Like, figure it out. And so because of that, I I went into effort. So I had to work really hard to figure things out on my own because I wasn't gonna get the support or the help.
Wendy:Right. And so when I try to manifest, I even approach that with effort. And so you can't because it to me, if I'm understanding it correctly, and I am certainly a novice in all of this, it it there's a relationship, right, between you and this other force, whether it's your higher self, the universe, whatever you wanna call it.
Sarah:Absolutely. Absolutely.
Wendy:And and so the magical thinking is like, well, universe, just give it to me. Yeah. And let's skip over the hard part.
Sarah:Yeah. And I don't think that's something that should be expected.
Wendy:But we do it.
Sarah:Yeah. We do it. But
Wendy:Because it would be nice if it was that kind of easy.
Sarah:Well, there are gifts that come certainly from the universe. The universe is always offering gifts. I mean, I I'm a complete fan of that aspect of the universe. But there's more to it than just you can't sit around waiting for the universe to cough it up. You know?
Sarah:Right.
Wendy:Well, it but you could actually I think that's a really beautiful way to say it, the way you're saying it because the gifts we mostly think of gifts as these really wonderful things, but the gifts can also be an insight about a block that's getting in your way. Or or the gift of a dream that you thought you wanted that doesn't come true, but sends you on a completely different path
Sarah:100%.
Wendy:Ends up being the perfect path. But you never would have known that had you not gone through the process of Yeah. Trying to
Sarah:A 100% true. And and but that's I think that's the tricky part is to really be in connection with the universe in a way that that and that's why journeying and and the paths that we have taken are so important because you can like, very often when I journey, I will I will just ask the my guides or the universe or whoever, like, what should I know about this situation? You know?
Wendy:Good question.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. Is there something I'm not seeing about this thing? And sometimes I'm not, you know? It's really funny.
Sarah:When I was moving to LA from Vermont, I said, Is there something what am I going to miss the most? Was my question in my journey? And the answer was immediate water.
Wendy:Oh, I thought you were gonna say Wendy. That's true. Well, it's interesting because you're oceanside now. Yeah. But that's not That's not the same kind of water.
Wendy:No.
Sarah:That's not the it's lake water. It's good drinking water.
Wendy:So fresh water.
Sarah:Water in the air when I find I'm, like, dehydrated beyond belief. It gets so dry here and so hot in September, you know. And and, you know, the fires rage because it's so dry. Right. Water is very missing from a lot of things.
Sarah:I mean, this answer was completely correct. And and I There you are. Understand it. I, like you, thought, well, I'm living next to the Pacific Ocean. Like, how can I miss like, I didn't get it?
Sarah:You know? I didn't get that this is, like, a really dry place.
Wendy:Yeah. No. I'm remembering now. It's been a while since I lived out there. But, yeah, it is dry.
Wendy:You're right. Yeah. Yeah. And I remember being excited one day when I was working at CAA that it rained. It was raining outside.
Wendy:And I actually went down to the lobby of this obnoxious building. It it was all marble. My footsteps, you hear them clicking across the floor, and I'm there's no one in this in this space. And I'm standing there at this huge wall of windows, this glass.
Sarah:I know it.
Wendy:And I'm looking out and I said out loud, yep. That's rain alright. And I turn around and Tom Cruise is walking by. And he just looked at me and he
Sarah:was moment.
Wendy:He looked at me, like, embarrassed for me, and he was he was three feet tall. I was like, oh, it's a wee man.
Sarah:He's He doesn't know.
Wendy:About me. Yeah. No. No. He doesn't carry himself.
Wendy:Like, he's three feet tall. Sorry. Sorry, mister Cruz. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, that was a funny thing.
Wendy:But I was, like, so enamored with the idea that it was raining. So I'm remembering now. Yeah. That it's it is very dry.
Sarah:And when it rains, it's very special. It's like a real treat when it really comes down. I put all my plants outside on the patio, and they're all, like, you know Happy. Yeah. Happy.
Sarah:And, I go walking in it. I have a good raincoat. It's, you know, it's it's very special. Anyway, back to manifestation. So what do you think about manifestation?
Wendy:I think it's it's complicated and maybe because I've made it complicated and I'm manifesting complicated manifestation. In other words, the idea that, like, our beliefs, our thoughts about it probably contribute a tremendous amount to the process. Oh. So 100%. If it was super crazy easy, then it would be super crazy easy, and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Sarah:Right.
Wendy:But I'm trying to have a reasonable idea of how it works. I mean, I've manifested stuff, but again, it's been like squinting my brain to make it work. I put in so much fucking effort, like I was saying before. And I'm like, is that really manifestation, or is that just me working really hard to achieve a goal?
Sarah:Well
Wendy:because to me, manifestation, there's also the elements of synchronicity Yeah. And there are these magical
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:Elements to it. And I've had them sparingly, but enough to tease me and give me an idea. I am missing something here. You know what I mean?
Sarah:Yeah. I do. I I do. But, you know, lately, I've started the old idea of gratitude and blah blah. But I'm starting I to see mean, we're all worn out on the gratitude.
Sarah:The way
Wendy:yeah. Yeah. Thank you.
Sarah:But I've started being grateful for the things that haven't happened to me. You know?
Wendy:Meaning, like, the shitty things? The shitty.
Sarah:Oh, okay. Alright. It's like So I've been
Wendy:I'm glad that that lottery win didn't happen.
Sarah:You know? No. Like, I'm glad I was never raped. I'm glad my children were born healthy. I'm glad I'm happy.
Sarah:No. I'm grateful that, like, a lot of things I've never experienced. You know? And I a lot of things I have. So there's two sides to the coin, but there was something nice about being grateful for what hasn't happened to me.
Sarah:You know? People living in war year after year after year, you know, like getting every night, the cold that like, oh my god. Maybe it will happen to us here. Who knows? But so far, so good.
Sarah:But,
Wendy:yeah, I think that's a really great reframe on gratitude. Yeah. Not just being thankful for what you have, but for what you don't have too.
Sarah:What what the what the universe protected me from. Mhmm. You know? Go this way instead of that way on the street. You know?
Sarah:Just an impulse you have, and maybe if you had gone that way, who knows? Right?
Wendy:But then is there a part of you that had the inclination unconsciously to not go that way? Right? And you're just acknowledging it. Or was it happenstance? Was it just pure luck?
Sarah:Was it an impulse from the universe?
Wendy:Was it from your higher your higher mind?
Sarah:From my higher self?
Wendy:Yeah. Like, you just had this inclination to go left instead of right. Yeah. And if you'd gone right, it maybe it wouldn't have gone well. Like, you heard about something that happened.
Wendy:Yeah. Down that path.
Sarah:Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So there's all those all those things that you that you do manifest that you're not even aware that you're manifesting. You know?
Sarah:Maybe you are. Maybe the universe is just, like, moving you in that direction. Maybe it reminds you of something. You know? One time, I was walking on the beach in Vermont, and I was trying to decide if I should move here.
Sarah:And I said, Give me a sign. Just give me a sign that it's a good thing. And I walked about another, I don't know, quarter of a mile, and I looked down on the beach and well, it was actually it was there was snow on the ground, and I saw this white thing, which turned out to be a soccer ball that had broken apart. And there was one word written on it, and the word was approve.
Wendy:That's cool. All right.
Sarah:Yeah. And I
Wendy:thought you're gonna say you saw Tom Cruise on the on the beach.
Sarah:I know. But, like, approve. You know?
Wendy:And Yeah. That's pretty clear. It's pretty clear.
Sarah:Yeah. I mean, who finds that? A piece of a tennis not tennis.
Wendy:A soccer ball. Yeah.
Sarah:And then, you know, the whole thing is approved by the federation of blah blah blah, whatever it has on a soccer ball.
Wendy:But that word stood out to you, and it was highlighted.
Sarah:Yeah. That's all it was.
Wendy:Oh, it's that's all it was. Okay. Got it. Yeah.
Sarah:It was ripped and shredded after winter, and that word was there. And that it really affected me. You know? I still have the peace. I kept it.
Wendy:That's very cool. Yeah. Well, that's a great example of a really cool synchronicity that you asked for. Yeah. Very clear.
Wendy:Yeah. I just had a thought. So are we manifesting all the time, incessantly? I think so. And it's just that I mean, I I joke about this, but I think it's true that we're 95 to 99% unconscious when we're awake, that we're just creatures of habit Yeah.
Wendy:And those unconscious drives, motivations, beliefs are is that what's forming our experience and that the idea is to become less unconscious so we're more of an active participant conscious active participant in our reality. I don't know.
Sarah:So I mean, yeah.
Wendy:Because yeah. I mean, we're getting probably exactly what we want and what we need all the time, but we may not be aware that we're wanting that or needing it. Yeah. Exactly. Because it's unconscious.
Wendy:Yeah. Like, you think about the relationships we pull into our lives. Right?
Sarah:Mhmm.
Wendy:They're actually perfect Always perfect. For our wounding
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And for the growth that we need Always. Even though on paper, they could be really horrible experiences or painful or Yeah. Also beautiful and wonderful. Yeah. But yeah.
Wendy:Yeah. You could say could you say rather that you manifested a shitty relationship so that you could grow? Well, you manifested the expected relationship
Sarah:in some ways. Like, when you pick your person, they very often represent the the parent who you had the most trouble with, I I find. Thanks, Freud. Yeah. Well I'm just kidding.
Sarah:Exactly. But but it's true. And, like, I look at at my my own marriage that ended, like, twenty years ago, but he was the perfect person to help me navigate and come out successfully on the other side of the trauma I had with my father. He was perfect. And I didn't see it, of course.
Wendy:Didn't Not at the time. Right?
Sarah:Not not at all. It was just like, I'm in love, you know, and onward hoe. But when I look back on it, I think, wow. Perfect guy that helped me move through that. Exactly.
Sarah:Hindsight, though.
Wendy:Yeah. Is usually where that comes. Yeah. And maybe that's by design. Maybe we can't walk into it that degree of conscious because then what would be the point?
Wendy:Yeah. I feel like, nope.
Sarah:No. No. Thank you.
Wendy:This. I see what's coming.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. No. For sure. Yeah.
Sarah:For sure. That would would be terrible.
Wendy:So then when we're manifesting, it's really it it seems to me like there's a forward momentum to it. Like, you're trying to aim. Yeah. The conscious manifestation, the stuff you're aware of, the stuff you want to achieve, the goals you have, the dreams you have. You're a conscious participant in the process.
Wendy:And then there's maybe unconscious manifestation where you're not a conscious participant. Yeah. And yet there's all kinds of rich material being uncovered and the invitation to work on if you take yourself up on it. Otherwise, you'll just keep repeating it is what I've learned. Totally.
Wendy:And then I guess if you're stuck in it, then you'll be trying to manifest the dream partner, like, in a relationship, for example. You're trying to manifest the dream partner, but you haven't done the work. So you're just gonna keep repeating
Sarah:Exactly. Exactly.
Wendy:The same thing.
Sarah:Yeah. For sure. And, I mean, manifesting money is always one that people or abundance or money people are always looking for that.
Wendy:You know? Yeah. Get it.
Sarah:Really complicated one, I think.
Wendy:Not It's loaded.
Sarah:It's loaded. It's got beliefs from what you were told. You know? Oh, man. Right?
Sarah:Yeah. It's it's loaded. What your parents, like in my house, money was always, like, very anxious because we didn't have any. But it was very anxious, and it was it was always like, there's not enough. There's not enough.
Sarah:There's not enough was always the the message.
Wendy:And
Sarah:and the rich aren't happy. Like, that was the secondary message.
Wendy:So you don't want that.
Sarah:Happiness. You know? Like, that kind of message. And they're like, yeah. But it would help to keep the lights turned on maybe.
Sarah:You know? Like, my mother still says that money doesn't buy happiness. And I said, no. But it buys health insurance, a nice place to live,
Wendy:and a reliable car. Less stress in some areas of your life. Much. Way less stress.
Sarah:You know?
Wendy:It I mean, the thing when I think about money, it it's so intrinsically tied with survival, and that's such a base need. So that's I think that's part of why or a big part of why it makes it so hard. Yeah. And because then there's this desperation.
Sarah:Yeah. Exactly. There's a desperation instead of a flow with it. And I've I've learned to flow with money, like, way more easily than certainly when I was a kid where it was a catastrophe. But, you know, when I when I look at my schedule and it's a little light one week, I think, oh, what am I supposed to be doing this week?
Sarah:What does this give me time to do?
Wendy:Instead of panicking.
Sarah:Yeah. Instead of panicking and thinking, oh, my God, you know, which is stupid. I've been here fourteen years and survived this long with LA prices for everything. So but I I used to panic. Like, between here in LA, between Thanksgiving and Christmas, it's like nothing happens.
Sarah:Nobody's doing anything. And in the beginning, I thought, Oh my God, my business is over. You know? Now I'm like, Hey, I got some free time here. What do I have to take care of?
Sarah:You know? And I think appreciating when the flow is going where it's going. And if your flow is diminishing, figure out, Okay, what does this mean? You know? And it's like the when the bad things happen to you, what does it mean?
Wendy:And are there rhythms too? Like, things slow down, like, between Thanksgiving and Christmas for you. Things slow down
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And then pick back up again. And and, yeah.
Sarah:Second week in January, everybody's nuts. They've been to see their families completely crazy in their back, you know. And now I'm used to that rhythm and I don't I don't panic. I really enjoy it. I do my, like, big cleaning and all the things that I have to get done.
Sarah:But how do we undo those knots? Therapy, obviously.
Wendy:Well, I guess wanting to first. You have to want to.
Sarah:Want to.
Wendy:Have the desire Mhmm. And know that it's well worth it
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:But it's not easy. Right? Right. At least that's what I tell myself. Yeah.
Wendy:Yeah. And it does seem to be the case.
Sarah:It is the case
Wendy:for sure. Yeah.
Sarah:You see where people end up in two years, you know, compared to
Wendy:Well and and the thing is is when you start untying those knots, it's nothing that's unfamiliar. It's gonna be, oh, yeah. I know this already. The the hard part is when you have an intellectual, at least to me, an intellectual understanding and insight about something, then I should know better every time you keep slipping back into that pattern. Mhmm.
Wendy:Why do I keep doing this? I know I shouldn't be doing this. Or you know what I mean?
Sarah:I do. What can you share what you're talking about exactly?
Wendy:Just the challenges of healing when you're trying to overcome a pattern that's so deeply ingrained and you know that the pattern is there as opposed to being oblivious to it. Yeah. Knowing the pattern is there can make it really challenging because you can watch yourself stepping into the pattern as you're doing it or right after the fact and be like, why the hell did I just do that again? I should know better. Yeah.
Wendy:And then you could be really harsh with yourself, which is what I see a lot with my clients, and I've done that certainly with myself. There's this degree of grace, it seems, that's warranted to give yourself, like, knowing that that's part of the process. It's okay. You're gonna screw up. Each time you do it, though, you become more lucid.
Wendy:You become more aware
Sarah:Yeah. Exactly.
Wendy:That you're doing it. And then also the dissonance that it creates where you wanna be versus where you are. And each time you do it, you get a little bit closer to where you wanna be, I think.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:So it's like chipping away rather than an instantaneous sort of I'm healed.
Sarah:Yeah. I mean, it is chipping away. And I think I think manifesting is chipping away too. You know? It's What do mean?
Sarah:Yeah. Well, like like, it's kinda like playing chess. You know? It's it's chipping away. It's like, okay.
Sarah:I've done this thing, and that's allowed me to get closer to what I wanna manifest. And then I I keep chipping away at it until so way back in the day before I really even understood, like, people were already telling me I was a good manifester, and I think, like, I don't even know what that means. You know? And and, I mean, I knew what it meant, but I didn't know what it meant. And I didn't understand.
Sarah:So the way I would feel is, okay, I want to manifest this thing. And then there's all this, like, confusion and chaos that works towards that thing. And then at some point, I would feel, I would literally feel it in my body. It would go like click, and I would know that that thing was gonna happen, that manifestation was gonna take place. Oh, you should
Wendy:bottle that. Sell it on But
Sarah:I think that's the timelines now.
Wendy:That's the Okay. Yeah. Well, alright. How did you discover the timeline piece? Were you a good manifestor before you discovered that, or did you become a good manifestor once you
Sarah:No. It was way before. I've always been a good manifestor.
Wendy:So you weren't messing with timelines earlier in your life?
Sarah:No. No. Not at all. But timelines have really led me to understand a lot of things, you know. Okay.
Sarah:I'm not a scientist, but
Wendy:I play one on TV.
Sarah:I play it on TV, yeah. We've said that before, actually. You know, the world of quantum physics and time and space and all that stuff, like, I I try to understand it with my little nonscientific brain, and I don't most of the time. I think, oh, yeah, I get that. And then two minutes later, think, what was that again?
Sarah:Like, it's too much for my brain. You know? But but the the the idea of timelines is I find it so fascinating that we that we just have this infinite potential of of infinite. And I think that's what I see as the upper world now is just it's just A possibility. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. And that's so exciting, you
Wendy:know, when you think it's it's just all there. That is exciting. Yeah. I guess it could be a little overwhelming too. Yeah.
Wendy:So many options. Yeah.
Sarah:So many options.
Wendy:Yeah. But what's right for me?
Sarah:Yeah. Exactly. But what's the universe pointing me at too? I mean, it's it's a it is a synchronicity. You know?
Sarah:Like, sometimes the universe is offering you all this stuff, and you're but, yeah, but I want that. You know? And the universe is like, you're stupid. You know? Like, why do you want that when you're
Wendy:I keep thinking the universe. And in my head, it's it's your higher self, your higher mind. Yeah. It is. It is.
Wendy:Because it's so intimate. It's so, like, very personal to you in your journey. But or you could say the universe, I guess. But I'm just keep transposing it in my head because to me, that part of you has your blueprint for your life. And you can follow it or not.
Wendy:But
Sarah:Yeah. But the but the universe when I say universe, I I think of it as just the all of consciousness.
Wendy:Okay. Yeah. That's what I assumed you meant. Yeah.
Sarah:Yeah. That's what I mean.
Wendy:And I was just talking about, like, one condensed piece of consciousness that's intimately related to your humanness. Your Yeah. The part of you that's dreaming your physical self into existence is what the Hawaiians would say.
Sarah:Dreaming your physical from the universe? From the
Wendy:con Well, there's the universe. Right? And if you drill it down, there's different in the upper worlds, you you might see different souls. And each of those souls or an over soul is having its own experience. And if you if you shift your focus, you could see them all being connected as the universe.
Wendy:If you shift your focus towards the upper world, then you'll see it as their individual oversouls. And then they're in groups also having shared experiences. I don't know if I'm making any sense.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. You are. It's just really
Wendy:different from Yeah. This is a whole different conversation. But then your individual oversoul, it's on its own trajectory of evolution and is having all of these physical experiences. And one of them for you is Sarah, and one of them for me is Wendy. A lot of indigenous people, the Hawaiians in particular, would say that that part of you is dreaming you, your physical self, into existence to have this physical experience.
Sarah:So is that how it's a simulated reality?
Wendy:Yeah. So this is the dream. So it is a it's having. Reality from
Sarah:that perspective.
Wendy:Yeah. Exactly.
Sarah:Ah, that's an interesting little nugget.
Wendy:So that that over soul field is another way to put it because it's it's the collective of all your identities, and it's very wise. And it has all this life experience from all of these different lifetimes.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And and the patterns that that kind of connect all of these lifetimes that inform each lifetime because there's, like, echoes of these different patterns that you're having these experiences and you're trying to heal them and yeah, anyway, I won't go on and on about that. But this
Sarah:idea interesting.
Wendy:So when I'm thinking about manifesting, I'm thinking that I am in in cahoots with my oversold field because that part of me is super invested in my journey in this physical experience. And it also has all of the understanding because there's no time there of where this journey is is ideally headed If if my human self is aware enough and is paying attention, then it'll follow that path. It's kinda like your client, the example of the director. There could be a pull to actually this has been the dream. Like, I I get excitement and joy from the idea of directing.
Wendy:Yeah. Or it seems like a really cool thing. I would like the notoriety of being a director, and maybe it's not necessarily so then it's like figuring out which one is it. Like, what's the drive? And so you pursue it or you don't if you don't pursue it, then the drive is really not there.
Sarah:Exactly. Right? Exactly.
Wendy:Or you try to pursue it and you just keep hitting roadblocks because it's not it's like that's maybe not the one, but that leads you on a different trajectory.
Sarah:Exactly.
Wendy:So getting back to the we're always manifesting all the time.
Sarah:Yeah. And I think that's that's you know, when people say I'm a good manifester, I don't think they realize how much work goes into it, you know? Like
Wendy:From the outside, it looks easy?
Sarah:It looks easy, but it's not. You know, there's a lot of I spend a lot of time thinking about the big things and the medium things and, you know, the physical things. Like I Can
Wendy:you give examples of what you mean by that? Like, as a overarching view of what the process is like for you, What makes it hard? Or or I
Sarah:think I always fall back on, like, coming here and how I manifested that. You know? It was such a an interesting I mean, the universe offered it to me, and so it looked like it was easy. But but the amount of stuff that went into that, leaving my beautiful orchard in Vermont with the deer and the stream and the pond and, like, the you know? So emotionally,
Wendy:it was pretty loaded. It was really loaded. Yeah. You had to kind of shed a lot and say goodbye and grieve.
Sarah:Yeah. I was done with living there. My kids had grown and gone, and I I was done with it. But it was still an identity that I had to shed, like, shed. Okay.
Sarah:And then put on my new coat of what it is to live in Los Angeles. You know, where do you live? How do you live? How do you make money? How do I get more clients?
Sarah:How do I like, there was
Wendy:so many Yeah.
Sarah:Starting over at at 60. You know? And that's not a small thing
Wendy:No. It isn't.
Sarah:When you're that old. You know?
Wendy:No. You know what you're making me think of is that the answers are inside of all of us as far as the desires Yeah. If we can get out of our own way. But it's not an intellectual process is what I'm coming to learn. It's a felt thing.
Sarah:It's a felt thing.
Wendy:There's an excitement. Yeah. There's passion. Yeah. I'm willing to take big fucking risks Yeah.
Wendy:In order to try this.
Sarah:Exactly.
Wendy:And then I always use the process of questioning. Will I regret it if I don't?
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. That's a good question to ask. Will I regret it if I don't?
Wendy:Like the deathbed scenario if I look back on my life and
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah.
Wendy:Yeah. I don't wanna have any regrets. No. And and if this is a dream, why not try it? Right?
Sarah:Tell me.
Wendy:What do you got to lose?
Sarah:You got to lose.
Wendy:Just just all your money and
Sarah:All your money and all your time and all your success that you built for health.
Wendy:But I think a lot of us are so in our heads that we're trying to think our way through our lives, and that gets back to my whole effort thing. That's why I have been a poor manifester all this time because I'm thinking from that survival place. Like, I have to make this work. I have to. And I all these safety mechanisms have to be in place in order to ensure that it's successful.
Wendy:So there's not a lot of trust in the bigger picture. But wait. Hold on a second here.
Sarah:What's that? You have manifested some you know, since I've known you, you've you've been manifesting, like, many interesting things in your life.
Wendy:Oh, yeah. No. I because I I'm not afraid to take risks. I will take risks, but I think I make the process much harder than I need to. Much, much harder.
Sarah:Because you're so, like, ruminating about it? Or
Wendy:Because I'm doing it all myself. I'm not in partnership with the universe or my higher self. I'm doing it all. It's just me. It's that whole belief, you're on your own kid.
Wendy:No one's gonna come and help you.
Sarah:Well, I don't see you like that at all.
Wendy:Well, but I've had magical experiences happen when I do follow my heart. Mhmm. But I haven't I haven't been seeking those if they just happened. When I seek them, then it's like I get into effort, and I'm doing all of the work. I can't
Sarah:Okay. So you're doing all the work. You're seeking Mhmm.
Wendy:And you're
Sarah:and you're feeling it's not It's not collaborative. It's collaborative.
Wendy:We're talking, that's the conclusion I'm coming to, that it's not as collaborative as it could be because of that old, old, old belief of figure it out. Nobody's gonna come rescue you. No one's gonna help you. So figure it out.
Sarah:Yeah. I mean, I have that too. We we share that in our backgrounds, you know, of of, like, no. You the message in my house was, no. You can't do that.
Sarah:You know? That's not for
Wendy:us. Gotcha.
Sarah:You know? My parents told me I couldn't my mother told me my dad was long gone by then, but she told me I couldn't go to university because we didn't have the money. What she didn't realize, which I found out, was that when you're dirt poor, the government pays for all your university. You know? I got loans and bursaries and lived happily for four years.
Wendy:But you what? You you you said, no. I'm going to go to university.
Sarah:Yeah.
Wendy:And you did.
Sarah:And I did.
Wendy:Yeah. Instead of just abiding by oh, you're right, mom. Okay. I won't then.
Sarah:I I thought, this is stupid. You know? And maybe maybe I'll go some other way. I I don't know. I was determined to to find university in my life.
Sarah:And
Wendy:Yeah. No. I don't know. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's something about you that makes that maybe it's just that you have a a degree of trust that's innate to you.
Sarah:Trust.
Wendy:I That it'll work out? That it'll
Sarah:I don't know. I don't take no for an answer. That's that's for sure. You know? Which it's
Wendy:so that speaks volumes right there. Yeah. So that what does that suggest about you, right, that you don't take no for an answer?
Sarah:I'm driven in the things that I have wanted to accomplish.
Wendy:But it's more than just drive, though, to me. There's more to it there because there's gotta be, a belief in your capability.
Sarah:To that point, I don't I don't think I believed in myself at all. Maybe I
Wendy:Well, then that that does mean that there had to been trust. Yeah. Because I'm gonna do this regardless even though I don't know if it's something I deserve or should have or whatever.
Sarah:Yeah. No. It's true. And it and it was a very informed thing because I said, I'm gonna be a social worker. That was my thing.
Sarah:Okay. I need to help people. I always wanted to help people. And so that I never did become a social worker, but I got degrees in psychology and whatnot, and education, and blah blah, and on on I went. But I I knew I had to be in a helping field with people.
Sarah:I wanted to help people.
Wendy:That's kind of interesting. It is. Yeah. If you look at now, look at where you're at. You're doing that.
Wendy:It's just not called social work. It's much broader than that.
Sarah:Much broader than that. It's pretty interesting.
Wendy:Yeah. So you had that you had that you were in touch with that part of you very early Yeah. Which is quite a gift.
Sarah:I think I was also in touch with, these people are all really fucked up. Somebody said it to me.
Wendy:Has to stop. This has to stop.
Sarah:Exactly. My parents were so nuts.
Wendy:Anyway. So being human.
Sarah:Being human. Such But I'm huge grateful that they were nuts because, A, I learned to be hypervigilant. B, I learned that people are nuts and I wanna help. And you know?
Wendy:And you became incredibly resilient as a result of it.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. And like you, it was like I had to do it. You know?
Wendy:Nobody was gonna do it. Figure out.
Sarah:Figure it out. Yep. My husband, my ex husband, paid for subsequent degrees, so thank you to him for that. You know? And, I just had to pay for the first one.
Wendy:Yeah. I'm still paying for all mine.
Sarah:Oh, no.
Wendy:Yeah. It's been how many years now? 9096 is when I finished grad school.
Sarah:Oh my god.
Wendy:Yeah. Or '95. '95. Yeah. That's so cheap.
Wendy:Really?
Sarah:Yeah. It's 3,000 well, I don't know what it is now, but $3,000 a year at the at McGill, which was the best university in Canada, really, or one of
Wendy:the universities. I've heard that.
Sarah:Yeah. Yeah. It was great. You know? No.
Sarah:You made it work. Made it work.
Wendy:Yeah. So my goal is to make it work also with less effort. That's my
Sarah:goal. Like a worthy goal.
Wendy:Yeah. Yeah. Like, a little more collaborative. See what that see what that's like.
Sarah:See what the yeah. And ask the universe. Like, what do I need to know about this thing? Or the
Wendy:Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. That's that's how I got to where I'm at to know that I need to so now it's like, alright. Let's see.
Wendy:Yeah. Because if I can do it by myself Imagine. Imagine if I get a little, ethereal help.
Sarah:Ethereal help. That would be pretty cool.
Wendy:Yeah. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. So that's I'll keep it posted.
Sarah:That's the conclusion of it all. Gotta work your ass off. Stay connected to the magic, and keep your vision of of what you're you're doing, what you're manifesting. And if it's feeling icky, change course. So there we go.
Wendy:The feeling part seems so vital to feel your vision.
Sarah:Yeah, feel your vision.
Wendy:Because from what I can tell, your heart does not lie. Will tell you exactly
Sarah:Never lies.
Wendy:What's right for you, what's wrong for you.
Sarah:It never Yeah. Lucky we have that navigation tool. You know?
Wendy:As long as we quiet the internal noise, it's right there all the time. Yeah. That's the trick. That's the trick. Tell the
Sarah:ego to shut up and take a break, you know?
Wendy:You say, we know. We know. You have a lot to contribute.
Sarah:Thank you.
Wendy:Oh, this has been really fun.
Sarah:Yeah, it has been fun.
Wendy:It's always fun.
Sarah:I love talking to you.
Wendy:I love talking to you. We say that every time we end, I think. Just reiterating how fun it is.
Sarah:That's why we started doing this because we had so much fun.
Wendy:I know. Yeah. Well, hopefully, it's fun to listen to if anyone's out there listening. I hope so.
Sarah:Yeah. Hope so. Yeah. Fast forward anything that seems kind of boring and dull. Alright, honey.
Wendy:Alright. I'll see you next time.
Sarah:See you next time. Be well. Bye. Bye.