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Join The Circle and use code "PODCAST": https://holplus.co/circle/ What if chronic disease, declining energy, cognitive issues, and fertility challenges are not isolated problems, but signs of a deeper disconnection from the natural world?
In this episode of hol+ with Dr. Taz MD, Dr. Zach Bush explores the relationship between human health and the health of our environment. Drawing from his background in internal medicine, endocrinology, cancer research, and hospice care, he explains how his search for the root causes of disease led him from the hospital and laboratory to the microbiome, soil science, and regenerative agriculture.
Dr. Bush describes mitochondria as essential generators of cellular energy and explains how the microbes living within and around us help support metabolism, immunity, neurological function, and communication throughout the body. He shares his perspective on how chemical agriculture, declining biodiversity, and changes in our food systems may be affecting these biological relationships.
Dr. Taz and Dr. Bush also discuss the rise of obesity, insulin resistance, autoimmune disease, cognitive decline, chronic fatigue, and infertility. Dr. Bush presents his theory that these conditions may be connected through a broader decline in metabolic energy and our increasing separation from nature.
The conversation ultimately turns toward hope and practical action. Dr. Bush explains why restoring soil, supporting regenerative farmers, growing food, strengthening local communities, and spending more time in direct contact with nature may help rebuild both human and planetary health. He also shares how something as simple as growing a mint plant can begin restoring a family’s relationship with living food.
In this episode:
- Dr. Bush’s journey from conventional medicine to microbiome and soil research
- What mitochondria do and why they are essential for cellular energy
- How the microbiome influences metabolism, immunity, and brain function
- The relationship between soil health, food quality, and human health
- How chemical agriculture may disrupt biological communication
- Why Dr. Bush describes modern illness as nature deficit disorder
- His theory connecting metabolic decline with chronic disease and fertility
- Why supplements cannot fully replace a healthy food system
- How regenerative agriculture can support human and planetary health
- Simple ways to reconnect your family with food, soil, and nature
- Why community and human connection may be essential parts of healing
About Dr. Zach Bush:
Dr. Zach Bush is a triple board-certified physician specializing in internal medicine, endocrinology and metabolism, and hospice and palliative care. His work has focused on the relationships between the microbiome, human health, environmental health, food systems, and regenerative agriculture.
After years of working in conventional medicine and biomedical research, Dr. Bush began exploring how soil health, biodiversity, and chemical exposure may influence human metabolism and chronic disease. His work helped give rise to Project Biome and Farmer’s Footprint, initiatives focused on regenerative food systems and restoring the relationship between human and planetary health.
After years of working in conventional medicine and biomedical research, Dr. Bush began exploring how soil health, biodiversity, and chemical exposure may influence human metabolism and chronic disease. His work helped give rise to Project Biome and Farmer’s Footprint, initiatives focused on regenerative food systems and restoring the relationship between human and planetary health.
Connect with Dr. Zach Bush:
https://zachbushmd.com/
https://www.instagram.com/zachbushmd/
https://farmersfootprint.us/
About Dr. Taz:
Dr. Tasneem Bhatia (Dr. Taz) is a triple board-certified integrative medicine physician, bestselling author, and founder of hol+, a multi-location integrative medicine practice.
Learn more: https://doctortaz.com/about
https://www.instagram.com/zachbushmd/
https://farmersfootprint.us/
About Dr. Taz:
Dr. Tasneem Bhatia (Dr. Taz) is a triple board-certified integrative medicine physician, bestselling author, and founder of hol+, a multi-location integrative medicine practice.
Learn more: https://doctortaz.com/about
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hol+ with Dr. Taz MD is redefining modern medicine through a comprehensive, evidence-based holistic approach; integrating functional medicine, integrative medicine, and time-tested healing systems to treat the whole human, not just symptoms.
Hosted by Dr. Tasneem Bhatia (Dr. Taz), triple board-certified physician in integrative, functional, and holistic medicine, bestselling Penguin Random House author, and founder of hol+; a comprehensive evidence-based holistic medicine platform with clinics in Atlanta, New York City, and Los Angeles, and virtual care available nationwide.
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[00:00:00] Dr. Zach Bush: We've contributed to a 10,000-fold increase in the rate of extinction on the planet over the last 50 years. [00:00:05] Wow. And so that 10,000x on extinction events of species is what we [00:00:10] need to escape because right now we're online to go extinct over this next 100 years or so at our [00:00:15] current biologic collapse rate.
[00:00:16] Dr. Zach Bush: And so we're all addicted to our work or to substances or for this, we're missing [00:00:20] the bigger point. We only have one human problem. It's nature deficit disorder.
[00:00:23] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:00:24] Dr. Zach Bush: And that nature [00:00:25] deficit disorder has led to this decline in metabolic function because we kept separating ourselves with our [00:00:30] technologies from nature itself.
[00:00:30] Dr. Zach Bush: We need to get away from this external pursuit of health, and we need to [00:00:35] become internal generators.
[00:00:36] Dr. Taz: Unfortunately, we have walked a journey that has made us [00:00:40] sick, made our planet sick as well. But I think if we can all come together and turn it around, then we can have a different [00:00:45] outcome for sure.
[00:00:45] Dr. Zach Bush: You have to be in community to really fundamentally heal.
[00:00:48] Dr. Taz: Wow.
[00:00:48] Dr. Zach Bush: And it's so powerful when we [00:00:50] empower each other, not as doctors and nurses, but as a small community. What if we could heal each other [00:00:55] by being witness to one another?
[00:00:56] Dr. Taz: Mm. My next guest is guaranteed to blow [00:01:00] your mind. Get ready to rethink everything, how we think about health and [00:01:05] wellness and life and our planet, how it's all connected, and so much more.
[00:01:09] Dr. Taz: [00:01:10] Please welcome Zach Bush, Dr. Bush, to the show. He's a [00:01:15] specialist in internal medicine, endocrinology, and hospice care, but he is better known and [00:01:20] internationally recognized as an educator and thought leader on the microbiome as it [00:01:25] relates to health, disease, and food systems. He founded Seraphic Group [00:01:30] and the nonprofit Farmer's Footprint to develop root cause solutions for human and [00:01:35] ecological health.
[00:01:36] Dr. Taz: His passion for education reaches across many disciplines, [00:01:40] including topics such as the role of soil and water ecosystems in human genomics, [00:01:45] immunity, and gut and brain health. His education has highlighted the need for a [00:01:50] radical departure from chemical farming and pharmacy, and his ongoing continued [00:01:55] efforts are providing a path for consumers, farmers, and mega industries to [00:02:00] work together for a healthy future for the people and our planet.
[00:02:04] Dr. Taz: Please join me [00:02:05] in welcoming Dr. Zach Bush to the show. I am beyond thrilled to have you on the [00:02:10] show. I have admired your work for years, and I think you are such [00:02:15] an instrumental voice in where we need to head in terms of health and [00:02:20] planetary health and how to bring those two ideas together. So welcome.
[00:02:23] Dr. Taz: Thank you so much for having me on. Can't wait to have you [00:02:25] here. So there are so many things I wanna talk to you about, but before we jump in, [00:02:30] maybe just for somebody brand new into our space- Mm-hmm ... of holistic [00:02:35] health and planetary health, maybe just give us a little blip of how you went [00:02:40] from MD physician, just like me-
[00:02:42] Dr. Zach Bush: Mm-hmm
[00:02:43] Dr. Taz: into this space. What [00:02:45] was the spark? What happened? Mm. And then we'll jump in from there.
[00:02:48] Dr. Zach Bush: Beautiful. There may have [00:02:50] been a seed planted before it all happened, but the seed was, uh, working with a group of international midwives [00:02:55] birthing babies in the Philippines when I was very young, and I was heading into engineering school and then [00:03:00] took a year off and, and headed, uh, to the Philippines and had this experience there for six months, [00:03:05] and that once you've seen what you see, you can't unsee it and that kind of- Mm
[00:03:08] Dr. Zach Bush: moment. And so suddenly I [00:03:10] was like engineering looked b- like something that was gonna be boring compared to what I had just witnessed. And so, [00:03:15] um, that, that phenomenon of birth is such a, an [00:03:20] unspoken miracle and something that's overlooked, I think, in our society radically these [00:03:25] days. And the opportunity to kind of play in that space of the generation of life, the [00:03:30] witnessing of life coming into the world, uh, was something I just couldn't escape.
[00:03:33] Dr. Zach Bush: And so it took me from thinking I didn't [00:03:35] like school and wasn't a good student- Mm-hmm. Right ... to something where I was, like, ready to apply myself in any way, I think. [00:03:40] And, uh, so I went from kind of an average student to trying to get through pre-med [00:03:45] and all of that, and, uh, eventually into medical school.
[00:03:49] Dr. Zach Bush: Slippery [00:03:50] slope there into thinking, you know, I want... I, since I was mostly a blue collar kid growing up building [00:03:55] houses, cars, things like that, I thought I would be a surgeon because it was decent working with my hands- Yeah ... and [00:04:00] tools. Yeah, absolutely. And that seemed obvious. And then somehow for some, some unknown reason, surgery [00:04:05] was just profoundly boring for me.
[00:04:06] Dr. Zach Bush: I found myself just a lot of standing around waiting- Yep ... for something to [00:04:10]
[00:04:10] Dr. Taz: Yep,
[00:04:10] Dr. Zach Bush: me too. Waiting for something to happen. And so instead I ended up in the [00:04:15] completely opposite direction, was really more of the intellectual pursuit of understanding of [00:04:20] human systems. So I was in an internal medicine initially for three years, doing hospital-based [00:04:25] medicine in the ICUs, and then realized I was kind of chasing the wind in the ICU setting.
[00:04:29] Dr. Zach Bush: Even though we [00:04:30] had, you know, what seemed like the power of God to restart hearts and, you know, pull people [00:04:35] back from the brink of death and all this stuff that's, in the adrenaline moment, seems powerful-
[00:04:39] Dr. Taz: Yeah ...
[00:04:39] Dr. Zach Bush: you [00:04:40] find out that you're kind of just doing, like, end-stage symptom management of a disease- Right
[00:04:43] Dr. Zach Bush: that started 25 years ago [00:04:45] and you can't really change the disease now 'cause it's too far down the road. So that, after a few [00:04:50] years, I realized I need to g- I need to get further up that river and see if I can have an effect on my patients that's [00:04:55] maybe more meaningful than, you know, kind of the revolving door of ICU care until they die.[00:05:00]
[00:05:00] Dr. Zach Bush: And, uh, in that journey, found endocrinology and metabolism. And endocrinology is the [00:05:05] study, of course, of the hormones and the way in which they-
[00:05:07] Dr. Taz: Yep ...
[00:05:07] Dr. Zach Bush: coordinate the body. And most endocrinologists [00:05:10] go down that side of the field. But the second half of the specialty is really overlooked, I think, which is [00:05:15] metabolism, which is the study of mitochondria, and that became my fascination.
[00:05:19] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:05:20] And so I developed a bunch of biomedical research in mitochondrial dynamics in cancer [00:05:25] cells, and through that I had the opportunity to develop a new chemotherapy, um, [00:05:30] in vitamin A compounds that interact with, with the mitochondria. And Not [00:05:35] knowing it then, but that was my slippery slope into the world of the microbiome, which was really coming of age.
[00:05:39] Dr. Zach Bush: This was 2005 to [00:05:40] 2010 timeframe. Mm-hmm. And so genomics was starting to really change our understanding [00:05:45] of what it meant to be human at the time, and it was changing our understanding of disease in general. Uh, [00:05:50] up until that time, and unfortunately still the dogma in the industry, is that a carcinogen [00:05:55] is something that- Right
[00:05:55] Dr. Zach Bush: breaks DNA strands like radiation. Uh, what was [00:06:00] coming in through genetics, though, at the time was the sudden realization that actually [00:06:05] you can predict which cancer somebody's gonna get by a change in the microbiome of their gut, and that just didn't fit [00:06:10] anybody's model of what
[00:06:11] Dr. Taz: cancer was and- But we're still not really talking about that, honestly.
[00:06:13] Dr. Taz: I mean, I think you're still- No, it's poorly taught ... you [00:06:15] were ahead of your time back then, but you're still ahead of your time even 10, 15 years later, I would say. Mm-hmm. So [00:06:20] it ... You know, that idea. And I ... It's so funny too because I almost thought I was gonna be an ICU [00:06:25] doctor. I loved that, you know, the procedure, the adrenaline part of it, but it gets old and you realize you're [00:06:30] only having so much of an impact on, on your patients, you know?
[00:06:33] Dr. Taz: And then endocrinology and [00:06:35] metabolism was fascinating as well because you are interconnecting, you are thinking about the body as a whole, [00:06:40] not thinking about it- Yeah ... in one isolated sphere. But how ... Okay, so I want ... 'Cause [00:06:45] not everybody watching or listening may understand the mitochondria. Mm-hmm. So talk about the mitochondria.
[00:06:49] Dr. Taz: It's the [00:06:50] powerhouse of the cell. It's providing energy. You're finding the connection between the [00:06:55] mitochondria and the soil, not the soil microbiome, but our, our microbiome. Our
[00:06:59] Dr. Zach Bush: soil, yeah. [00:07:00]
[00:07:00] Dr. Taz: Our soil. So can you- Mm-hmm ... wind that together for us?
[00:07:02] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah. Uh, [00:07:05] I, I think, again, unfortunately it hasn't changed in the education system, but we're taught that the mitochondria are the powerhouse of [00:07:10] the human cell, which makes it sound like a part of the human cell or something human- Right.
[00:07:13] Dr. Zach Bush: Right ... when in fact it's [00:07:15] non-human and it's one of the highest technologies that the earth has produced is the [00:07:20] mitochondria. Uh, maybe for a second I need to back up actually and just define life 'cause [00:07:25] then mitochondria make a lot more sense. Right. But anyway. 'Cause everyone's like, "Wait, what
[00:07:26] Dr. Taz: do you mean?
[00:07:27] Dr. Taz: I've got non-human stuff in me. What's happening here?" [00:07:30]
[00:07:30] Dr. Zach Bush: So. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're full of aliens. Yeah. Um, which is actually very much the truth. So [00:07:35] life is, in its simplest definition as far as I've come to [00:07:40] distill it now, is life is a concentration of light energy.
[00:07:43] Dr. Taz: Yes.
[00:07:43] Dr. Zach Bush: And it takes an enormous [00:07:45] amount of light per cubic centimeter to generate enough energy to coordinate s- [00:07:50] the materialization of a particle out of vacuum space.
[00:07:54] Dr. Zach Bush: And so [00:07:55] Einstein showed us that light can either be a particle or a wave, and it can be it at the same time, [00:08:00] uh, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to anybody's brain, but what he's saying basically is energy in the [00:08:05] form of light, which is, is the energetics of the universe- That electromagnetic [00:08:10] field that we could call light is, uh, in this constant [00:08:15] vibrational frequency expression of itself all over the universe.
[00:08:19] Dr. Zach Bush: And if it's [00:08:20] witnessed, if there's something that is still enough to witness the photon of energy, then it [00:08:25] will become a particle. And so this is called the observer effect in, in physics. But [00:08:30] everything is in wave until it is seen, and then suddenly it can become particle.
[00:08:32] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:08:34] Dr. Zach Bush: And, [00:08:35] uh, to become particle, you know, when light becomes particle, [00:08:40] you're obs- you're basically demanding an enormous amount of energetic exchange [00:08:45] or, or transmu- formation.
[00:08:47] Dr. Zach Bush: And for that, to get something as complicated [00:08:50] as a bacteria, you need an enormous amount of sunlight concentrated before you get there. So [00:08:55] physics, the brightest thing it does is a sun or a star. Uh, biology, [00:09:00] h- the single c- cell bacteria or fungi has to concentrate 1,000 times [00:09:05] brighter that sunlight before you can have enough energy to manifest a single cell.
[00:09:09] Dr. Zach Bush: And so that [00:09:10] gives you a sense of just how extraordinary it is that there's a, a cell exists. It takes a lot of [00:09:15] technology in nature to create that much light energy in a cubic centimeter. And the way in which that was [00:09:20] done and, you know, as life emerges is through fermentation. So bacteria and [00:09:25] fungi, you've maybe made yogurt before, maybe you've made sauerkraut.
[00:09:27] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:09:27] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah. That's a process of [00:09:30] using the microbes in the air to start generating energy through the fermentation of the [00:09:35] carbohydrates, for example, in a piece of cabbage to become sauerkraut. So the fermentation [00:09:40] is this process of liberating energy from other cellular, [00:09:45] uh, forms of, of life. And before you can get cellular life, you have to have molecular [00:09:50] energy.
[00:09:50] Dr. Zach Bush: And the way in which molecular energy happens on, on this planet at least, is through carbon. And so [00:09:55] CO2 in the atmosphere is, is the energy potential of the, of the planet. And [00:10:00] so all this demonization of CO2 right now is a big problem for our- Hmm ... scientific understanding of the world. [00:10:05] But nonetheless, CO2, y- we all need to come to terms with the fact that this is actually the bloodstream [00:10:10] of life.
[00:10:10] Dr. Zach Bush: And if you don't have CO2 in the atmosphere, you, you don't have life. The more [00:10:15] CO2 in the atmosphere, the more potential for life the planet has. Our atmosphere has very [00:10:20] little CO2 in it. 0.04% of the atmosphere is actually CO2. Most of [00:10:25] it's nitrogen, oxygen, and a few other gases. And so CO2 is this sliver of the pie of [00:10:30] the breathed air of this planet, but it's enough to help store sunlight.
[00:10:33] Dr. Zach Bush: And so the way that's done is [00:10:35] through the green, green things behind us. A, a green leaf, uh, produces [00:10:40] chlorophyll, and that chlorophyll takes CO2 and stores a photon of sunlight between the two [00:10:45] carbons. And so two CO2 molecules start to chain together to store sunlight. [00:10:50] And a glucose or carbohydrate or a fatty acid are long chains of [00:10:55] CO2 built in these long carbon strings that we would call sugar or fat.
[00:10:58] Dr. Taz: You're taking me back to med school [00:11:00] biochemistry class right
[00:11:02] Dr. Zach Bush: now.
[00:11:03] Dr. Taz: Exactly. Exactly. And [00:11:05] sadly, this is- So I'm remembering all these formulas. Yeah. I'm like, "Oh my gosh, this was the
[00:11:06] Dr. Zach Bush: bane of
[00:11:06] Dr. Taz: my existence." And the PTSD there. Right. But yes.
[00:11:08] Dr. Zach Bush: And sadly, [00:11:10]
[00:11:10] Dr. Taz: that's- I'm completely following- ... but having a little bit of trauma as you speak too.
[00:11:12] Dr. Taz: Sadly,
[00:11:12] Dr. Zach Bush: that's why... What happens is- Yeah ... as doctors, [00:11:15] we forget that.
[00:11:15] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:11:16] Dr. Zach Bush: And so you ask a typical doctor, you know, "What is life?" And, you know, [00:11:20] vague answers.
[00:11:20] Dr. Taz: Right. '
[00:11:21] Dr. Zach Bush: Cause we forget that first few days of tr- of training, and then it's dwarfed [00:11:25] by, you know, eight years of, you know, pharmaceutical training after that.
[00:11:29] Dr. Zach Bush: But- Facts ... the [00:11:30] actual biology is not n- understood well, and therefore doctors behave the way they do. [00:11:35] Um, therefore I behaved the way I did, as I thought I needed to poison the cells to [00:11:40] get them healthy and such an insane metrics of chemotherapy, for example. So [00:11:45] Um, th- there's this slippery slope that happens if you forget this.
[00:11:49] Dr. Zach Bush: So as a [00:11:50] society, as a human species, we need to remember that light is the code of life, [00:11:55] and the biology of the planet, namely the green things on the earth, are what [00:12:00] store that sunlight in a way in which it can be liberated by the mitochondria. And so the human cell has no way to [00:12:05] take that carbohydrate or fat and turn it into energy.
[00:12:08] Dr. Zach Bush: The human cell lacks that ability 'cause this [00:12:10] human cell can't do fermentation. Bacteria and fungi do that.
[00:12:12] Dr. Taz: Hmm.
[00:12:13] Dr. Zach Bush: But a multicellular organism has let [00:12:15] go of its ability to do fermentation, and it is now relying on the microbes [00:12:20] to do that. And so the, the gut of an earthworm, a wolf, or a [00:12:25] human is the soil systems that s- start that process of- Right
[00:12:28] Dr. Zach Bush: metabolizing [00:12:30] potential energy, and then they p- they process all of the nutrients that would be in your food [00:12:35] into the glucose, fatty acids, and other compounds that will become the, [00:12:40] the carbon delivery to the mitochondria. So the bacteria live inside your gut, and actually now [00:12:45] we know there's microbes that live in every single organ system, in your prostate, in your breast, in your brain.
[00:12:49] Dr. Zach Bush: You have [00:12:50] microbiome throughout your whole body. So you're an organic garden of microbes that are producing energy or poten- [00:12:55] potential energy for you. And then that gets put into the bloodstream, eventually getting inside of a human cell, where the [00:13:00] mitochondria live. Mitochondria are tiny little bacteria that live inside of human cells, and [00:13:05] that's again what wasn't taught to us well in medical school.
[00:13:07] Dr. Zach Bush: No. I
[00:13:07] Dr. Taz: always thought of it as a-
[00:13:09] Dr. Zach Bush: Organ- [00:13:10] organelle ... pa- like an engine. It's an organelle within it. Like an organelle. Exactly. Yeah. So- That was the
[00:13:12] Dr. Taz: word that was used.
[00:13:12] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah. So this is a little organelle that lives inside [00:13:15] of you, and maybe they taught us that because we're too narcissistic as a species to believe that [00:13:20] we rely on anybody else.
[00:13:21] Dr. Zach Bush: But w- there actually is no human mechanism of creating [00:13:25] energy for human life. It's entirely done by these microbes. And so the, a tiny little bacteria [00:13:30] called an archaea absorbed a methane-producing bacterium around three billion years [00:13:35] ago if, if the fossil record is correct. So around three billion years ago, you have this massive [00:13:40] innovation in biology moving from the ability for fermentation to produce that breakdown [00:13:45] of carbon to release the sunlight into mitochondria.
[00:13:48] Dr. Zach Bush: And so this new innovation of the [00:13:50] bacterium that we would call mitochondrion allowed for respiratory, uh, digestion or [00:13:55] breakdown of that carbon chain, which was 10 times more efficient than [00:14:00] fermentation. So there was an explosion of light energy per cubic centimeter, and that suddenly [00:14:05] enabled multicellular life to occur It takes, you know, a thousand times more [00:14:10] energy than sunlight per cubic centimeter to produce a single cell.
[00:14:12] Dr. Zach Bush: But if you start to think about a [00:14:15] human body that's got dozens of organ systems with roughly 70 trillion human [00:14:20] cells that are interacting with 14 quadrillion mitochondria and 1.5 [00:14:25] quadrillion bacteria of 40,000 different species, the system is so freaking [00:14:30] complex that is, it dwarfs the complexity of what we would think of like a city center.
[00:14:33] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:14:34] Dr. Zach Bush: And yet [00:14:35] you've seen it yourself. If you go out to the country, somebody can have a solar panel and their little house and all [00:14:40] is well. You go into the city, now you need nuclear power plants- Right ... and everything else because you are [00:14:45] requiring so much energy because there's so much community. So the more complex the [00:14:50] interactions, the more energy you need to maintain that, that system.
[00:14:54] Dr. Zach Bush: So the [00:14:55] multicellular life of a human requires a lot. So the mitochondria are how we become human ultimately, [00:15:00] and this is where we, you know, went sorely wrong in our, in our addiction to [00:15:05] chemical, you know, management of our systems because almost every chemical we use, whether it be in [00:15:10] the pharmaceutical industry, at the bedside as a doctor, or in the farm fields of producing our food, [00:15:15] we've become reliant on these small molecule chemicals that function as antibiotics.
[00:15:19] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:15:20] And so the antibiotics that came out of the 1940s with penicillin quickly grew [00:15:25] into not just lots of p- antibiotics for humans, but by the 1950s, antibiotics for our [00:15:30] soils and crops. And so we started using herbicides and pesticides, uh, [00:15:35] widespread throughout the globe really by the 1960s, and this was called the Green Revolution.
[00:15:39] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:15:40] Right. We found that if we dump chemicals into soil, like urea nitrogen and n- nitrogen, [00:15:45] phosphorus, potassium fertilizers that are drawn out of fossil oil, we were suddenly seeing [00:15:50] fields just grow things like never seen before. So we thought, "Well, this is-" A good thing ... "this is amazing." Right. [00:15:55] "We're gonna feed
[00:15:55] Dr. Taz: everybody."
[00:15:55] Dr. Zach Bush: Right. What we didn't realize was that when you reduce soil down to [00:16:00] basically a, an, an engine for nitrogen and phosphorus, you start to chew through the carbon [00:16:05] reservoir. And so we started destroying the carbon reservoir of our soils in the 1960s, [00:16:10] and in that we sterilized the whole planet. And so 97% of the world's farmable [00:16:15] soils are now depleted or severely depleted of carbon metabolism.
[00:16:18] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:16:19] Dr. Zach Bush: And so this whole [00:16:20] process of storing light energy is being undermined, and so now every plant in the world is [00:16:25] deficient in energy compared to where we were in the 1960s. And so for this, we're seeing [00:16:30] human disease emerge because there's a lack of energy to maintain these complex systems of life. [00:16:35]
[00:16:35] Dr. Taz: So lots of questions.
[00:16:36] Dr. Taz: So first of all, when someone talks about a carbon footprint, [00:16:40] right? We're trying to reduce our carbon footprint. We're trying to be sustainable. We're trying to be all these [00:16:45] things, but then you're saying carbon dioxide is sort of the essential life force [00:16:50] or life energy. How do you reconcile those two ideas?
[00:16:54] Dr. Zach Bush: Uh, well, you [00:16:55] actually have to throw out the first idea completely. There, there is no negativity to having a carbon footprint. [00:17:00] What is negative is if in creating that f- carbon footprint, you destroy biodiversity. [00:17:05] Mm. And so if, as an oil company, you're destroying ecosystems to go dig [00:17:10] your oil out of the ground, then you're a problem.
[00:17:12] Dr. Zach Bush: But if you are, you know, [00:17:15] taking a look at, step back and start to measure biodiversity as a metric for [00:17:20] l- you know, life and human impact on it, you get a much more accurate vision of where we need to [00:17:25] go as industries. When you just demonize a single molecule like carbon, CO2 [00:17:30] in the atmosphere, now you let everybody else cheat or be hi- hidden behind [00:17:35] this one demon of CO2.
[00:17:36] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:17:37] Dr. Zach Bush: And so CO2, you know, is easy to then [00:17:40] blame on the oil companies, and in global politics, we politicized [00:17:45] climate change in the 1990s and 2000s. Al Gore's famous [00:17:50] film- Yes ... uh, you know, in- Yeah ... Inconvenient Truth, demonized carbon, I believe, for a [00:17:55] political reason, not so much for a scientific rationale. Um, even then, we understood [00:18:00] that CO2 is actually a tiny contributor to, you know, the extinction processes that we see [00:18:05] going on, but it was a very convenient reductionist measurement of [00:18:10] a political outcome, basically.
[00:18:11] Dr. Zach Bush: And what you see is most of the wealth [00:18:15] in the world under our current energy systems- Is held in [00:18:20] non-Western countries
[00:18:20] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:18:21] Dr. Zach Bush: And so most of the oil in the world is in North Africa, [00:18:25] the Middle Eastern peninsula of the UAE and Saudi Arabia and the like, uh, all [00:18:30] of the nations there within that peninsula, and then, uh, into Siberia, [00:18:35] North China, uh, North India, Siberia, North China.
[00:18:38] Dr. Zach Bush: That's one-third of the planet's surface [00:18:40] that's all under desert right now, and it's those desert countries that have these huge oil reserves under the [00:18:45] ground because that's actually a carbon cycle. Deserts go into grasslands every 20,000 [00:18:50] years, and then the grasslands, um, go into f- into savanna, savanna into [00:18:55] forest, forest back into desert.
[00:18:56] Dr. Zach Bush: And when it desertifies, that silica has so much, [00:19:00] um, basically energy force 'cause the sun hitting silica is like Basically [00:19:05] what you would think of as a superconductor. And so it, it turns that old soil into oil very [00:19:10] quickly. And so we build these- So that's why they have all that oil ... deep oil reserves through this cycle of the [00:19:15] desert back into grasslands, back into desert again.
[00:19:17] Dr. Zach Bush: And so when you then look at [00:19:20] geopolitics that are driven largely by energy systems, and the dominant energy on the planet [00:19:25] is oil, the Western countries were... It was an aviatious thing to [00:19:30] demonize oil- Mm ... because it disenfranchised- Fascinating ... economically the [00:19:35] oil-producing countries of the world. And so it was the West's way of penalizing the wealth [00:19:40] of these regions, I think, and trying to level the playing field in a field [00:19:45] where you're simply disadvantaged because your resources under your earth don't produce as much oil [00:19:50] as somebody else's.
[00:19:51] Dr. Zach Bush: And so I think that's subconsciously, or probably very consciously, [00:19:55] part of the agenda that was behind politicizing this. And when you step back and really [00:20:00] look at the extinction event that we're in right now, you realize it's not oil and oil, you know, [00:20:05] companies that are killing the Earth. It's chemical agriculture companies coming out of the US and Germany [00:20:10] that are killing the planet.
[00:20:11] Dr. Taz: Oh,
[00:20:11] Dr. Zach Bush: wow. And so we've hidden Western technology behind this [00:20:15] carbon story while we poison the Earth with our chemical industries and our small [00:20:20] molecule chemicals. Nobody's penalizing anybody for that. Nobody's getting s- you know, their [00:20:25] wrist slapped or getting penalized or, or having biodiversity, you know, offset [00:20:30] requirements for a company that's spraying antibiotics at four billion pounds a year [00:20:35] into our soil system.
[00:20:36] Dr. Taz: So is climate change real? Like, how would [00:20:40] you define climate change?
[00:20:41] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah, I mean,
[00:20:41] Dr. Taz: it's def- 'Cause that's a political issue right now as well, or has [00:20:45] been.
[00:20:45] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. Climate is definitely changing. Yeah. There's no question. There's lots of variables to that climate [00:20:50] change, including human y- human damage.
[00:20:52] Dr. Zach Bush: And so if you take a look at [00:20:55] global warming as a concept, which is what Al Gore kind of-
[00:20:57] Dr. Taz: Right, focused on ... uh,
[00:20:59] Dr. Zach Bush: they, they called it [00:21:00] global warming at the time, and then they had to rename it climate change because actually a lot of areas of the [00:21:05] world are not warming, and they're doing weird things. And the temperature d- differentials across the planet are doing really bizarre [00:21:10] dynamic things that are pointing to something other than just CO2 in the atmosphere, um, which we probably [00:21:15] don't have time to get into entirely, but it has to do with actual geothermal dynamics of the Earth itself.
[00:21:19] Dr. Zach Bush: So the [00:21:20] Earth... Well, let me just give a short answer. A baby version. Earth is- Yeah ... Earth is going through a major [00:21:25] metaphor, morphosis right now irregardless of human existence, let alone behavior. [00:21:30] And those changes are, have to do electromagnetic field of the Earth itself. So [00:21:35] when I was born, the North Pole magnetically favored North America, and so, [00:21:40] uh, above Canada there was this foci of, of magnetic field that we called the [00:21:45] North Pole, and you would pick up a compass and it would- Right
[00:21:47] Dr. Zach Bush: point you there, and it was roughly to the North Pole, but it was- Right ... [00:21:50] actually northern Canada. That North Pole has moved dramatically over the last 30 [00:21:55] years, and so now it's over in Siberia. What? So it's across the North Pole and it's over there, and so you'd think you'd pick up a [00:22:00] compass and you're like, "Oh, certainly it's showing you the North Pole."
[00:22:02] Dr. Zach Bush: Well, it's never showing you the North Pole.
[00:22:04] Dr. Taz: No. Okay.
[00:22:04] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:22:05] Um, it's never showing you the n- n- you know, that tip of the, the axis of the Earth's [00:22:10] spin. The magnet of the Earth keeps moving, and every couple hundred thousand [00:22:15] years it goes through a complete reversal where the South Pole becomes the North Pole and North Pole becomes the South Pole.[00:22:20]
[00:22:20] Dr. Zach Bush: The speed of change of that pole right now has got a lot of people concerned that we're about to [00:22:25] go through a reversal. If that happens, then we can't even imagine the changes in the dynamics on the [00:22:30] Earth, which has happened many times, so the Earth will be fine. But it's going to change coastlines in ways we [00:22:35] can't even imagine if that were to happen.
[00:22:37] Dr. Zach Bush: Right now, we don't know if it will go through complete [00:22:40] reversal. Uh, it's certainly possible 'cause I think the last one was a couple hundred thousand years ago, so it seems on track [00:22:45] to. But we're certainly seeing the movement of the magnetic field of the Earth, and that... During a movement [00:22:50] of the North Pole magnetically, you get these extremely chaotic patterns where there's no longer just [00:22:55] the, the, the r- the well-ordered double torus of the planetary geology.
[00:22:59] Dr. Zach Bush: Y- you [00:23:00] now get this weird super chaotic pattern that I think matches what we call [00:23:05] climate change very well. Hmm. Where some places are flooding that have never flooded. Right. Some places are drought. Some [00:23:10] places are hot. Some places are cold. We're getting freezing in Atlanta- Right, right ... at times we've never seen it freeze before.
[00:23:14] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:23:15] Snow. Snow in Atlanta and other things. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So the strange weather patterns match that [00:23:20] rather than just, like, some linear growth of heat.
[00:23:21] Dr. Taz: Hmm.
[00:23:22] Dr. Zach Bush: Okay. Um, and so when we really sit back [00:23:25] and ask ourselves, "Is our learned experience global warming due to CO2 in the atmosphere?" [00:23:30] The answer is no, it's not.
[00:23:31] Dr. Zach Bush: It's not matching that pattern at all. So CO2 in the atmosphere [00:23:35] is dwarfed by other problems in the atmosphere that are produced by our chemical industry, such as [00:23:40] methane and things like that. And, and that's largely coming from natural gas, not that. So the whole effort to get [00:23:45] off of fossil fuels and- Yeah
[00:23:46] Dr. Zach Bush: and oil and go over to natural gas sounded like it was gonna be our [00:23:50] new green energy, but the amount of methane, uh, that is being produced through our natural gas [00:23:55] industry that's leaking into our atmosphere is actually far worse than any carbon offset we [00:24:00] would've gotten from, you know, the advantage of- My goodness
[00:24:02] Dr. Zach Bush: of oil.
[00:24:03] Dr. Taz: This is all so politicized. It's all politicized, yeah. It's
[00:24:04] Dr. Zach Bush: hard [00:24:05] to, like, really...
[00:24:06] Dr. Taz: All right. So we've got this question mark around climate [00:24:10] change. We have-
[00:24:10] Dr. Zach Bush: Well, let, let me emphasize before people- Okay ... walk away thinking we don't have a problem. [00:24:15] Climate change is happening. It's got a lot of factors.
[00:24:17] Dr. Zach Bush: Th- deeper than that, I [00:24:20] think we can start to say that the problem that humans are creating is a decline in metabolism of the [00:24:25] planet, and therefore human biology and all other biology on the planet. So we've accelerated through our [00:24:30] behavior. We've contributed to a 10,000-fold increase in the rate of extinction on the planet over the [00:24:35] last 50 years.
[00:24:35] Dr. Zach Bush: Wow. And so that 10,000x on extinction events of [00:24:40] species is what we need to escape. Because right now we're, we're online to go [00:24:45] extinct over this next 100 years or so at our current biologic collapse rate. And so we've got a [00:24:50] very short amount of time to re-understand this issue of the planet, and we need to [00:24:55] stop thinking about the problem as a chemistry problem, which is what, you know, the whole-
[00:24:59] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:24:59] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah ... [00:25:00] CO2 story is arguing. We have a chemistry problem. We have a biology problem, and that's much [00:25:05] more Integrated of a solution set that we need to go after rather than just [00:25:10] demonizing one molecule. We need to come to terms with the fact that it's death of complex [00:25:15] ecosystems through chemical agriculture as a primary driver that's really fundamentally at [00:25:20] the foundation of why climate crisis is happening, why extinction crisis is upon us.
[00:25:24] Dr. Zach Bush: And so we [00:25:25] need to br- develop a much more holistic understanding of the nine [00:25:30] partitions that drive extinction. And of those nine, we've passed six of the [00:25:35] nine to guarantee that there is, we are in the midst of a massive extinction event that is not [00:25:40] reversible. So now we have this short amount of time to rethink our [00:25:45] relationship to the Earth and Earth's relationship to human in time to see nature recover [00:25:50] this, which she can.
[00:25:50] Dr. Zach Bush: She's very fast
[00:25:51] Dr. Taz: to
[00:25:52] Dr. Zach Bush: heal. Which
[00:25:52] Dr. Taz: was my next question. Are we gonna be able to recover if we're [00:25:55] 100 years out? Like, are we gonna be able to recover?
[00:25:59] Dr. Zach Bush: Nobody knows- Mm ... [00:26:00] is the interesting thing. You know, we're, we're, a lot of people think we're past the [00:26:05] 50/50 threshold, so 50% likelihood of us getting through this.
[00:26:08] Dr. Zach Bush: I personally think that it's [00:26:10] 100% likely that we get through, but it's gonna be achieved in ways we can't even [00:26:15] probably imagine, and it's the children on the Earth right now that already know what that future looks like.
[00:26:19] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:26:19] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:26:20] And so we need to very quickly let go of our politici- politicalization of [00:26:25] these issues, and we need to start to empower our children to dream our future.
[00:26:29] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:26:30] Um, Kahlil Gibran, 100 years ago, one of the greatest philosophers of the 20th century said, was asked, [00:26:35] "How should we parent?" And he said, "We need to make sure that we never make our children think like us, and we should [00:26:40] strive every day to think more like our children." And so we need to empower our children saying, "You [00:26:45] kn- you came in right now, and if you did, if you're a soul that showed up right now, you, you must [00:26:50] be part of a- The movement.
[00:26:51] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah ... a, a movement, a transformation, a reimagining of a [00:26:55] future that we can't see yet. And so let's start empowering the dreaming of children. Let's start empowering [00:27:00] our own dreaming as children. I can find the child in me still, and when I do dream like a [00:27:05] child, I can shake off the limitations of, well, that's impossible.
[00:27:08] Dr. Zach Bush: Well, that's never been [00:27:10] done. Yeah. Those, you know, your, your, it's a pipe dream. And I can start to dream bigger, and I can start to [00:27:15] fee- realize I c- if I can feel the future in my body, then it's already here.
[00:27:19] Dr. Taz: I [00:27:20] love this, and I, I wanna wind it back to health. Like, if we put our finger at 1940 [00:27:25] What happened to human health from 1940 fast-forwarding to [00:27:30] today?
[00:27:30] Dr. Taz: Can we mirror, like, what we've seen in the healthcare landscape and the healthcare [00:27:35] space with what we're seeing kind of with the planetary, you know, frequencies and rhythms and [00:27:40] stuff like that? Are you seeing those two things kind of go hand-in-hand?
[00:27:44] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah, so [00:27:45] the, and the crisis of today started in the late 1800s probably, and what happened w- that's when [00:27:50] really the Industrial Revolution really got its- Right
[00:27:52] Dr. Zach Bush: you know, foothold with trains. And so when trains really [00:27:55] became a normal mode of transportation, it shrank the world. Technology started to really accelerate [00:28:00] around the globe at that point, and during that process, by the 1940s, [00:28:05] you know, the Great War had really accelerated a lot of technologies on the planet.
[00:28:08] Dr. Zach Bush: And so the, [00:28:10] the World War II and the innovations there, and World War I just before it, we had seen the innovation. We'd [00:28:15] gone from horse and buggy to jet aircraft in- Mm-hmm ... 50 years. Like, what the heck?
[00:28:19] Dr. Taz: Crazy. [00:28:20]
[00:28:20] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah. Like, that's-
[00:28:21] Dr. Taz: Yeah, yeah ...
[00:28:21] Dr. Zach Bush: it's an insane- Yeah ... amount of innovation that happened during that [00:28:25] time.
[00:28:25] Dr. Zach Bush: Which begs the question of, like, how does human ingenuity happen? Like, how, how is [00:28:30] that even possible? We've been here 300,000 years and then we go from a horse to, you know, jet [00:28:35] aircraft. Mm-hmm. Like, what, what happened? And so we need to maybe touch on that at some future conversation, [00:28:40] but the fact is that did happen.
[00:28:41] Dr. Zach Bush: There was something that touched human ingenuity at that point, or the [00:28:45] human imagination or human information that allowed us to suddenly, you know, pop our [00:28:50] head above some previous normal and become something radically different In [00:28:55] that journey, right in the 1940s, we were at an incredible balance point of [00:29:00] deciding our future as a species.
[00:29:02] Dr. Zach Bush: There was groups of scientists that were discovering how [00:29:05] nature was working within biologic systems to cure cancer and all kinds of things [00:29:10] through natural phenomenon. There
[00:29:12] Dr. Taz: were.
[00:29:12] Dr. Zach Bush: Absolutely. Royal Rife was a phenomenon, you [00:29:15] know, in and of one man's name, but he really was representative of an entire scientific, you [00:29:20] know, group that even was present by the late 1800s.
[00:29:22] Dr. Zach Bush: So as the Industrial Revolution emerged, [00:29:25] um, Dr. Koch was, I think, one of the, the [00:29:30] powerhouses. Uh, K-O-C-H. Uh, Koch was [00:29:35] arguing with Pasteur in the late 1800s, uh, over the issue of, of [00:29:40] microbes- Mm-hmm ... and the concept of infection and germs. And so, uh, [00:29:45] Louis Pasteur was arguing that humans are embattled against nature, and nature's trying to [00:29:50] attack us, and if nature
[00:29:51] Dr. Zach Bush: If a bacteria gets inside of us, then we get sick and we die. And, and so the immune [00:29:55] system must be a, a battlefield for sterilizing the human body. And Koch was [00:30:00] a brilliant scientist and observer, and he was just like, "That's not fitting my experience." Hmm. He's like, "I'm studying [00:30:05] indigenous people and cultures that have no, you know, industrial water or clean things."
[00:30:09] Dr. Zach Bush: Right, right. "And, and [00:30:10] they're living better and healthier than we are in these cities." By the late 1800s, cities were [00:30:15] toxic.
[00:30:15] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:30:15] Dr. Zach Bush: And, and the life expectancy had gone way down because of the phenomenon of, of [00:30:20] these, you know, kind of nascent urban spaces where suddenly everybody's crammed together. Disease [00:30:25] was through the roof.
[00:30:25] Dr. Zach Bush: The water systems didn't work, and so the people were drinking their own [00:30:30] feces, basically. Hmm. And so there's so much tuberculosis and cons- called consumption at the time, and [00:30:35] lots of these kind of infectious ... cholera and all this. And so we had created [00:30:40] disaster biologically by pushing people into these nature deficit [00:30:45] spaces, and then we started to innovate to try to Band-Aid that- Right
[00:30:48] Dr. Zach Bush: with technologies like, [00:30:50] you know, by the 1940s, penicillin. And so here we were creating an unhealthy ecosystem for [00:30:55] humans to live in, and then we were creating Band-Aids and saying, "Well, the Band-Aid's gonna fix it-"
[00:30:58] Dr. Taz: Right ...
[00:30:59] Dr. Zach Bush: without ever [00:31:00] addressing the fact that, no, it's the ... It's actually the environment that was creating the sickness.
[00:31:04] Dr. Zach Bush: Life [00:31:05] expectancy was, like, 48 years old in the m- in the US in, in, in end of the 20th [00:31:10] or 19th century, end of the 1800s. And so by the 1950s, '60s, we suddenly [00:31:15] have this life expectancy of 70 years, and we're like, "Oh my gosh, these technologies are gonna fix everything." [00:31:20] But really what had happened is we had started to, you know, demand [00:31:25] changes be made in child labor.
[00:31:26] Dr. Zach Bush: And a, a lot of the death that was keeping our average age at 48 [00:31:30] wasn't 'cause people weren't living long, it was 'cause children were dying s- at such- Mm-hmm ... high volumes. Mm-hmm. And that was largely [00:31:35] because of our toxic city centers. So as we cleaned up municipal water, uh, when we went ahead [00:31:40] and, and started putting chlorine in, in swimming pools, we eliminated polio [00:31:45] overnight.
[00:31:46] Dr. Zach Bush: Because the kids were all getting polio in the summertimes in swimming holes in post-World War II [00:31:50] era. We didn't have a polio epidemic until we did urban dwellings and, you know, urban [00:31:55] centers in that post-World War II era. Then we created an epidemic, and then we said that we f- fixed it by the [00:32:00] polio vaccine.
[00:32:00] Dr. Zach Bush: But really what we did is we went and cleaned up the water system so the kids stopped getting polio [00:32:05] in the, in the water holes in the summertime. Um, but at any rate, we have a lot of this, like, subterfuge of, like, [00:32:10] environmental things happen, and then we get disease, and then we change environmental things, and people get healthy.
[00:32:14] Dr. Zach Bush: And instead of [00:32:15] recognizing that environmental effect, we instead are looking for, well, what did we do to the [00:32:20] human? What did we do, right? What did we do- Right ... that caused any of that? And, and, and so we have this [00:32:25] long problem of seeing human disease as a human problem instead of an expression of the relationship of [00:32:30] that organism back to its ecosystem.
[00:32:32] Dr. Zach Bush: And that's where we're now at with genetics, [00:32:35] is realizing, oh my God, to be human is to be the most complex ecosystem on the planet. [00:32:40] Our species actually holds more microbial diversity than any other species on the planet. [00:32:45] Therefore, we produce more energy per cubic centimeter. Therefore, we produce more intelligence 'cause we have more data [00:32:50] inputs into our brain than any other species- Hmm
[00:32:52] Dr. Zach Bush: on the planet. And so the data inputs that are [00:32:55] necessary to, for intelligence to occur actually occur in the gut lining. So when we talk about [00:33:00] the microbiome, this isn't just, like, soil to feed you. This is the soil that's making you think. [00:33:05] Your ideas are literally coming as an amalgamation or a co-creation [00:33:10] from the diversity within you.
[00:33:12] Dr. Zach Bush: And as you decrease the diversity inside of an intelligence, their [00:33:15] creative juices go down.
[00:33:16] Dr. Taz: Hmm. Interesting.
[00:33:17] Dr. Zach Bush: A single course of antibiotics for a human will [00:33:20] take you into a 17% increase in major depression. Two courses of antibiotics in 12 months, [00:33:25] 44% increase in major depression.
[00:33:26] Dr. Taz: Wow.
[00:33:27] Dr. Zach Bush: 80s, 57. We don't talk about this-
[00:33:29] Dr. Taz: Yeah
[00:33:29] Dr. Zach Bush: at all. No, we don't talk about it. No. [00:33:30] And so your neurologic intelligence, behavior, adaptation, capacity for [00:33:35] creative thought relies on the ecosystem within you. And as we start to [00:33:40] imbue our entire food system by the 1970s with these chemicals that are potent antibiotics, [00:33:45] we started to undermine soil health globally, which undermined plant health globally, and then the plants were carrying the [00:33:50] residues of the antibiotics.
[00:33:51] Dr. Zach Bush: We would eat those, and our mitochondria started disappearing by the 1980s. [00:33:55]
[00:33:55] Dr. Taz: So did we get dumber?
[00:33:56] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah.
[00:33:57] Dr. Taz: We did.
[00:33:58] Dr. Zach Bush: For
[00:33:59] Dr. Taz: sure.
[00:33:59] Dr. Zach Bush: From [00:34:00] the 1970s on. From the
[00:34:01] Dr. Taz: 1800s on. From the 1800s on.
[00:34:01] Dr. Zach Bush: A, a good way to do this, I think you can probably find it still on if you Google [00:34:05] this, but if you look up eighth grade education or eighth grade final [00:34:10] exam 1880 There's no college kid coming out [00:34:15] of college today that could pass that test.
[00:34:17] Dr. Taz: Really?
[00:34:17] Dr. Zach Bush: The complexity of the [00:34:20] philosophy, language skills, mathematic skills that were an eighth grade education in [00:34:25] the 1880s does not, is not taught in our schools anymore.
[00:34:27] Dr. Taz: We're, we're thinking we're so ahead and [00:34:30] savvy and all these other things. So going back to health for just a second, I, I wanna see if I have this right.[00:34:35]
[00:34:35] Dr. Taz: Sounds like we've gone from an environment of infection and [00:34:40] disease to then one of a metabolic crisis, which is all the [00:34:45] cardiac stuff, weight gain, obesity- Mm-hmm ... all of that stuff. Now I [00:34:50] feel like we're transitioning to one of mental health and [00:34:55] cognitive- Yeah ... decline. Would you tie that entire spectrum-
[00:34:59] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah[00:35:00]
[00:35:00] Dr. Taz: infection, inflammation, cardiometabolic- Yep ... weight, [00:35:05] now to this cogniti- global co- cognitive decline, right? In our children- Mm ... we're seeing sensory [00:35:10] processing disorder, ADD, ADHD, autism. In, you know, the [00:35:15] population in between, we have anxiety and depression, we have dementia of all [00:35:20] kinds. We have ... You know, we have a problem cognitively that people are struggling to find [00:35:25] solutions to.
[00:35:26] Dr. Taz: We blame technology, we blame family units, we blame so many different [00:35:30] things. Is it really just all back to the microbiome?
[00:35:33] Dr. Zach Bush: It's one graph. I can show you the [00:35:35] entire last 50 years of human disease in a single graph. So if we have a, a vertical axis [00:35:40] on the graph of metabolism, which means light energy per cubic centimeter produced by mitochondria.
[00:35:44] Dr. Taz: [00:35:45] Right.
[00:35:45] Dr. Zach Bush: And then along the lower one, we have years from 1976 to 2025 here. [00:35:50] During that, what is that? You got 50-year [00:35:55] process there.
[00:35:55] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:35:56] Dr. Zach Bush: Mm-hmm. In those 50 years, uh, we started in [00:36:00] 1976 with widespread use of glyphosate in the form of Roundup, and we were using Roundup in our [00:36:05] farms and within a couple years in our backyards and in our driveways as a weed killer.[00:36:10]
[00:36:10] Dr. Zach Bush: And so the famous Roundup molecule that you now find in any hardware store in the [00:36:15] world, uh, you'll go ... And, and probably every garage in the world-
[00:36:18] Dr. Taz: Yep. Yep ...
[00:36:18] Dr. Zach Bush: uh, has got a bottle of [00:36:20] Roundup. And that Roundup has an active ingredient called glyphosate. So glyphosate starts [00:36:25] entering our water system and our food system in the 1970s.
[00:36:28] Dr. Zach Bush: By 1981, the first [00:36:30] tip down, the first r- symptom of a declining metabolism globally is obesity.
[00:36:34] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:36:34] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:36:35] Obesity is a phenomenon where you have the same number of calories, but you can no longer burn the calories 'cause there's fewer [00:36:40] mitochondria per cubic centimeter to t- turn that back into light energy. And so with that [00:36:45] inability to convert to light energy, this, the human cell is like, "Oh, there's too much fuel sitting [00:36:50] here.
[00:36:50] Dr. Zach Bush: We're gonna have to send that back to the liver." And so instead of burning it in the cells, the [00:36:55] cells are sending the energy back to the liver, unable to use it 'cause the mitochondria are the bi- bottleneck of [00:37:00] energy production or conversion from CO2 or, uh, or from [00:37:05] long-chain carbon back into CO2. And so obesity s- happens.
[00:37:08] Dr. Zach Bush: As we start to store fat in the [00:37:10] liver, the very first biologic consequence in the endocrine world is an increase [00:37:15] in insulin resistance- Yep ... which is a decrease of function of insulin to move those [00:37:20] carbohydrates into the cell. So now you got a double hit. Not only do you not have enough [00:37:25] mitochondria to get the glucose into light, you don't have enough insulin function to get the glucose to the [00:37:30] mitochondria.
[00:37:30] Dr. Zach Bush: So the mitochondria are now starving And the human is overwhelmed with sugar [00:37:35] and, and calories because they can't get it to the mitochondria. So by the late 18, uh, [00:37:40] 1980s, we've got a diabetes epidemic coming on. Mm.
[00:37:42] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:37:43] Dr. Zach Bush: As the light energy declines in [00:37:45] human biology, the first system to really start to dysfunction is the most energetically demanding, [00:37:50] which is the immune system.
[00:37:51] Dr. Zach Bush: The immune system in any organism's always the most demanding [00:37:55] energetically because like I mentioned earlier about cities, the more organisms you have in close [00:38:00] relationship, the more energy you demand to maintain healthy relationships. And so you need [00:38:05] stoplights and you need things, and like there's so much- Right
[00:38:07] Dr. Zach Bush: communication- Right ... intercommunication necessary. The [00:38:10] immune system is not a battleground. The immune system is an arbiter of, of complex relationships between [00:38:15] tens of thousands of species. So as the immune system starts to lose its metabolic energy, you start to [00:38:20] misbehave and you start to become reactive.
[00:38:22] Dr. Zach Bush: When you don't have enough energy for maintaining healthy [00:38:25] relationship, you get inflammatory.
[00:38:26] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:38:27] Dr. Zach Bush: This happens in human relationship, politics-
[00:38:29] Dr. Taz: [00:38:30] Everything ...
[00:38:30] Dr. Zach Bush: the crossing. Right. Less energy, more inflammatory. Your rhetoric gets more inflammatory. You have a [00:38:35] short fuse. You get angry easy. All your coping mechanisms are shutting down.
[00:38:38] Dr. Zach Bush: So that's what's happening in an [00:38:40] immune system as the energy ... So by the early 1990s, allergies started hitting you.
[00:38:44] Dr. Taz: [00:38:45] Mm-hmm.
[00:38:45] Dr. Zach Bush: So suddenly the immune system is reacting to stuff it's never reacted to before. Gluten [00:38:50] sensitivity really came- Yep ... online in 1992. Mm-hmm. And so in 1991, we started using [00:38:55] Roundup to dry crops.
[00:38:57] Dr. Zach Bush: Not just weed killer, we started spraying wheat directly in [00:39:00] 1991 By 1993, we have widespread global- Wow ... gluten sensitivity- Yeah ... [00:39:05] which is actually glyphosate poisoning.
[00:39:06] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:39:07] Dr. Zach Bush: Because suddenly we were spraying the wheat days before [00:39:10] harvest with a chemical that would be at very high, you know, logarithms higher residues than [00:39:15] if you had just sprayed the weeds near the crop.
[00:39:16] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:39:17] Dr. Zach Bush: And so now we have direct crop treatment by the [00:39:20] early 1990s with, with Roundup-like c- compounds. And so with that [00:39:25] advent, we started to see huge, deep i- injuries in the, uh, immune system, which would by the [00:39:30] mid-1990s rear its head as autoimmune disease. Right. Now you're not reacting to the weed outside your body, [00:39:35] you're reacting to your own body.
[00:39:37] Dr. Zach Bush: By 2000, one in four girls in the [00:39:40] United States has a- autoantibodies to her own thyroid gland. Yeah. And so [00:39:45] we are, you know, systematically destroying our own organ system by 2000 with our own [00:39:50] immune system due to the confusion of this lack of coherent communication. In the [00:39:55] meantime, the second most, uh, neurologically, or the second most energetically intense system [00:40:00] behind the immune system is the neurology.
[00:40:02] Dr. Zach Bush: And so here's the rearing of, [00:40:05] uh, right in the late 1990s, uh, autism goes through the roof. Mm-hmm. [00:40:10] Alzheimer's in women, Parkinson's in men, uh, attention deficit disorder, [00:40:15] mood disorders, uh, major depression, anxiety disorders at rates never seen before. [00:40:20] As the neurologic toxicity continued to climb by the early 2000s, we see the emergence of chronic pain [00:40:25] syndromes, chronic fatigue syndromes, and the rest.
[00:40:28] Dr. Zach Bush: And so this is a continued decrement [00:40:30] in the amount of energy available per cubic centimeter for a human to do its work, and it's very [00:40:35] predictable. We should have seen this coming a long time ago. By 2006, we've got [00:40:40] 95% of corn globally being grown as genetically modified Roundup ready crop, and so now we're in the billions [00:40:45] of pounds per year being used globally.
[00:40:47] Dr. Zach Bush: And at that point, we see such a decrement in, in [00:40:50] mitochondrial function that we start to see the cancer epidemic rear its head. And so we see [00:40:55] leukemias, lymphomas, liver cancer, bladder cancer, thyroid cancer, uh, breast cancer, prostate cancer all [00:41:00] going through the roof in the 2000s.
[00:41:02] Dr. Taz: It's all connected.
[00:41:03] Dr. Zach Bush: It's all the same equation.[00:41:05]
[00:41:05] Dr. Zach Bush: And so as, as we see the cancer thing come and go, by 2010, we have [00:41:10] such high residues now that the mitochondria inside the egg of a woman can no longer [00:41:15] achieve conception the mitochondria inside the sperm of the male [00:41:20] can no longer have enough energy to swim upstream to find the egg. And so we have a massive explosion [00:41:25] of infertility by 2010 globally.
[00:41:26] Dr. Zach Bush: Which
[00:41:27] Dr. Taz: we're seeing actively
[00:41:28] Dr. Zach Bush: day and day out. It's getting worse by the day.
[00:41:29] Dr. Taz: Yeah. [00:41:30] Mm-hmm.
[00:41:30] Dr. Zach Bush: By the late 2000s, I was an endocrinologist at the time working in fertility clinics. We [00:41:35] were suddenly seeing this explosion of infertility and we w- and IVF became a sudden normal. [00:41:40] Standard of care. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so by 2010, 2012, standard of care in the United States.[00:41:45]
[00:41:45] Dr. Zach Bush: Every year since then, we've seen this declining success of IVF, [00:41:50] and so now women are going for four or five in vitro fertilization- Mm-hmm ... attempts before they [00:41:55] can get pregnant. And so the reason is, is because even if you've now taken in a test tube and [00:42:00] made those sperm and egg find each other, you still can't solve for the problem of [00:42:05] conception.
[00:42:06] Dr. Zach Bush: Conception of a human is the most beautiful, brightest thing that [00:42:10] happens in the universe, and I can't overemphasize the, the magnitude of the scientific reality [00:42:15] I, so far I've been describing to you the decline in [00:42:20] mitochondrial- Right ... function or metabolism in humans. Right. And that's based on each human cell having about 200 mitochondria in it.[00:42:25]
[00:42:26] Dr. Zach Bush: Think back to your biology textbooks. How many mitochondria did they tell us was in a cell? [00:42:30] Two usually. Right. There's, like, two little mitochondria floating in there. Like, and they could do a cross-section of one of them so you [00:42:35] could see it was a double-walled- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm ... bacteria. There's 200 mitochondria inside of every human [00:42:40] cell, unless it's a neuron, then there's 2,000 mitochondria in the head of every neuron.
[00:42:44] Dr. Zach Bush: And so [00:42:45] it takes so much energy for a cell to do its work, and it's crammed full of these bacteria that [00:42:50] are reproducing independent of the human cell. And so the b- bacteria in a [00:42:55] thriving organic system of a human body, you've got 200 mitochondria per human cell, 2,000 in a neuron, [00:43:00] and then the egg comes along.
[00:43:02] Dr. Zach Bush: Right. And the egg of a woman [00:43:05] has half a million mitochondria in it.
[00:43:07] Dr. Taz: Wow.
[00:43:08] Dr. Zach Bush: The egg of a woman- You are [00:43:10] powerful ... has half a million generators of sunlight, and at the [00:43:15] moment of conception, they discharge light. So this is called the zinc flash, and it [00:43:20] blinds the microscope, but you can find it on Google.
[00:43:22] Dr. Zach Bush: Google this, "zinc flash conception," and you'll [00:43:25] watch a video of this lightning bolt that comes out of the egg at the moment of conception. [00:43:30] It's that lightning bolt that I believe entangles a soul to a cell.
[00:43:34] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:43:34] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:43:35] And you have to have this huge light event to get the physics to bind an [00:43:40] identity to the cell.
[00:43:41] Dr. Zach Bush: And this is something that modern science ignores [00:43:45] completely- Right ... is that each body has its own identity, which is very annoying 'cause the biology is the same. [00:43:50]
[00:43:50] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:43:50] Dr. Zach Bush: My DNA is the same as your DNA. How the hell do I know at every single [00:43:55] cell level that I am different than you? And if I put any of my cells inside your body, you'll kill it immediately 'cause you [00:44:00] see it as foreign.
[00:44:01] Dr. Zach Bush: What's creating the identity of the freaking cell is this [00:44:05] deep secret, and I believe it's not in the biology, it's in the physics. At the moment of [00:44:10] conception, this massive discharge of light allows a soul to entangle. And so [00:44:15] when we start to see these deep, deep disorders of fertility, which are now driving us to a point of [00:44:20] extinction, uh, and not just in the United States.
[00:44:22] Dr. Zach Bush: You know, I've been in- Globally ... Saudi a lot recently. Right. Yeah. And Saudi [00:44:25] Arabia is now publishing its own data at 68% infertility rates.
[00:44:28] Dr. Taz: Wow.
[00:44:29] Dr. Zach Bush: And so- [00:44:30] 68%? 68%.
[00:44:32] Dr. Taz: Ugh.
[00:44:32] Dr. Zach Bush: And so we are reaching this threshold of [00:44:35] inability to produce babies globally, China to Saudi to US. US's [00:44:40] population, um ... So if you go below a birth rate of 2.1, then [00:44:45] you're destined to disappear as a population.
[00:44:46] Dr. Zach Bush: Hmm. United States is at 1.6 right now. A- and every [00:44:50] tenth of a point, you, you're taking off decades of survival, uh, for the species. And so at [00:44:55] 1.6, US population is gone in 100 years, you know? So we've got this very [00:45:00] rapid declination in human reproductive because the light energy per cubic centimeter in the [00:45:05] egg of a woman is starting to be challenged by the amount of chemical that egg is exposed to on a daily [00:45:10] basis.
[00:45:10] Dr. Zach Bush: And meanwhile, nobody's talking about it and everybody's complaining about 0.04% of our [00:45:15] atmosphere being CO2. This is the problem with politicizing science, is we will spend [00:45:20] half a century going down the wrong avenue- Hmm ... for solutions that are irrelevant to the biologic [00:45:25] outcome of humans or the planet while we go extinct.
[00:45:27] Dr. Taz: So we have this massive [00:45:30] global infertility crisis. Is that the bottom-
[00:45:33] Dr. Zach Bush: Mm-hmm ...
[00:45:33] Dr. Taz: of this decline that we're talking [00:45:35] about with human health?
[00:45:36] Dr. Zach Bush: Unfortunately, it's not, and we've seen, you know, a phenomena that we [00:45:40] could not have imagined, but was actually prophesied by a lot of indigenous cultures over time, [00:45:45] was that we would actually see the dissolution of gender, and that's the next metabolic step- [00:45:50] Really?
[00:45:50] Dr. Zach Bush: below infertility. And so- It was
[00:45:51] Dr. Taz: predicted?
[00:45:52] Dr. Zach Bush: Yes, very much so. And so there's an [00:45:55] understanding that the masculine and feminine would lose its polarity, and therefore we would [00:46:00] start a new human species at that point, you know? And so we would rebirth out of the [00:46:05] dissolution of this polarity by finding our way to this crisis point.
[00:46:09] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:46:10] And so we have found our way to that crisis point. And so by 2010, uh, the [00:46:15] fetus, uh, and, you know, even adults at the time, but playing out in the fetus in [00:46:20] s- ways we haven't even seen fully come to fruition yet. Uh, the process [00:46:25] of moving from neutral, which is where every fetus begins- Right ... to a masculine or [00:46:30] feminine expression of male/female, uh, requires enormous amount of energy, because you're [00:46:35] taking a- an organism that's at this nice neutral, every cell's the same, everything's predictable, to [00:46:40] suddenly trying to de-polar- to polarize it in one direction or another into a masculine or feminine expression.[00:46:45]
[00:46:46] Dr. Zach Bush: And if there's not enough energy per cell at that time, you can see this [00:46:50] failure to completely gender, and that plays out in the nuclei of the brain more than [00:46:55] anyone else- Hmm ... because there's so much energy required at the neurologic system, 10 times more than a peripheral [00:47:00] cell that might be, you know, the cell of a breast or the cell of, you know, a prostate or [00:47:05] whatever s- future tissue is gonna be male, female.
[00:47:07] Dr. Zach Bush: The, the neurons are requiring [00:47:10] enormous amount of energy to, to distribute energy to grow certain neurons [00:47:15] large if it's gonna be a male, certain neurons large if it's gonna be female. And it's, I think, that neural [00:47:20] differentiation where we start to see this emergence of gender neutrality. And so this- [00:47:25] Situation that we're in where our, we've got two generations of people now that [00:47:30] are not- Clear
[00:47:30] Dr. Zach Bush: are largely not identifying- Right ... as either or. We keep thinking that's a [00:47:35] social crisis, and there's certainly social overlays and social program that can be a [00:47:40] way in which to interpret this, but we actually have a biologic problem- It's been always biological ... not a social problem. [00:47:45] And so the biology deteriorated by 2005, 2010 such that it was a high level [00:47:50] of the, the fetuses developing weren't able to gender fully.
[00:47:54] Dr. Zach Bush: And so then we end up with [00:47:55] this kind of neutral state of behavioral traits where the person in the brain is being [00:48:00] told, "This is how a male functions and feels the world." And they're like, "Well, I look biologically male, but I'm not [00:48:05] feeling- Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm ... I'm not neurologically interpreting the world as male.[00:48:10]
[00:48:10] Dr. Zach Bush: I'm looking at women and I understand- Right ... the female there and I vibrate in that frequency. I must be [00:48:15] a female The reality is a lot of people will do sex changes and everything else, [00:48:20] which is... I oversaw a lot of that as, as an endocrinologist. All the, every sex change, you know, in [00:48:25] trans community is dependent on the endocrinologist to provide the hormones and do all that stuff to, [00:48:30] to make the transition.
[00:48:31] Dr. Zach Bush: But what I saw over and over again there, and what we see playing out, I think, socially, [00:48:35] globally, is you can make the sex change, but it doesn't actually change your neurology. And [00:48:40] so, uh- Which is why we still see the issues ... in the end, you find that you're still in some sort of neutral state. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:48:44] Dr. Zach Bush: You may have [00:48:45] changed your outward appearance, but your biology is, is still in this lovely neutral [00:48:50] space in some ways. And so I don't think we need to w- change anything [00:48:55] necessarily biologically. We need to acknowledge what's happened biologically, and [00:49:00] then acknowledge that we could move past this by increasing the metabolic potential of each organism on the [00:49:05] planet again, starting with the plants that we grow, which becomes the food we eat, which becomes the [00:49:10] neurons we, we create with.
[00:49:11] Dr. Zach Bush: And so this, this meeting at the center [00:49:15] point of the masculine and feminine is a necessary part of our journey, which I find quite [00:49:20] fascinating. If we were going to survive, we were gonna have to end this male [00:49:25] dominant, you know- Right ... control the nature thing. You know, control one another, own everything, [00:49:30] because everything's scarcity.
[00:49:31] Dr. Zach Bush: We got kicked out of nature, therefore we need to control nature. That whole wounded [00:49:35] masculine psyche that comes out of every human, male or female. The wounded masculine within us [00:49:40] believes we got kicked out of nature, so we run around with this literal abandonment disorder. [00:49:45] And we now know biologically and chemically that if you create an abandonment disorder [00:49:50] in any organism, a mouse in the cage or a human, that abandonment sets that [00:49:55] organism up for severe addiction.
[00:49:58] Dr. Zach Bush: And so humans are addicted to everything [00:50:00] right now, not because we're dumb, but because we have an abandonment disorder. Mm. And our [00:50:05] abandonment disorder is from nature itself. And so we even created our religious paradigms. You know, the Garden of Eden, [00:50:10] then we got kicked out 'cause we weren't good enough or we sinned or somehow we weren't gonna fit the- [00:50:15] Right
[00:50:15] Dr. Zach Bush: make the, make the mark. So at the moment you get kicked out of nature, now you're against it, and now [00:50:20] you come at it with this, you know, kind of adversarial effect, and you're prone to major [00:50:25] addiction to something. And so we're all addicted to our work or to substances or whatever it is. Uh, [00:50:30] and for this, we're missing the bigger point of we only have one human problem, [00:50:35] is nature deficit disorder.
[00:50:36] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:50:37] Dr. Zach Bush: And that nature deficit disorder has led to this decline in [00:50:40] metabolic function because we kept separating ourselves with our technologies from nature itself, and [00:50:45] ultimately from the concentration of light energy So the path forward is exciting. We created the path [00:50:50] down, and now we know
[00:50:52] Dr. Taz: the path out.
[00:50:52] Dr. Taz: Well, let's talk about the path out, because I think for anyone [00:50:55] w- you know, watching or listening, it's a little heavy. It's a very different way of [00:51:00] thinking about health and human disease. It's a very different way of thinking about our existence. I [00:51:05] have long thought that the gender issue is biochemical in nature, and that's [00:51:10] really where it's beginning.
[00:51:12] Dr. Taz: How do we, if it's the mitochondria [00:51:15] not getting the energy it needs, how do we help our own mitochondria, the [00:51:20] mitochondria of the planet? H- what do we do? What are our starting steps? Mm. Where do we begin as the individual, [00:51:25] and then as a family, and then as a community? What, what do we need to do? [00:51:30]
[00:51:31] Dr. Zach Bush: The solution came to me actually at the same [00:51:35] time the problem surfaced.
[00:51:36] Dr. Zach Bush: So I left the university in 2010 and started my own [00:51:40] clinic, which led to my own laboratory. And by 2012, we were starting to study [00:51:45] soil because we were recognizing the nutrition that we were feeding in our, our nutrition center wasn't [00:51:50] working like the data said it should. And so I was basing my clinical practices of a plant-based [00:51:55] diet, uh, on the data that had come out for 30 years from Cornell and Cleveland Clinic, and [00:52:00] these huge, you know, academic centers that created an incredible amount of data around the use of plant-based [00:52:05] diet to reverse diabetes, reverse cardiovascular disease, reverse cancer.
[00:52:08] Dr. Zach Bush: And so I was applying all of that [00:52:10] science, and it just wasn't getting traction in, in a significant portion of my patients as, [00:52:15] as it should. So that got me starting to study plant nutrient density, [00:52:20] which quickly got us into soil sciences. And, uh, there we uncovered a beautiful [00:52:25] fact, which is something that I hold as really a tenet of nature now, which is [00:52:30] she has never allowed an injury to occur that she didn't already have a solution for.
[00:52:33] Dr. Zach Bush: Hmm. [00:52:35] It's impossible. Because had there not been a solution for adversity, life would have never [00:52:40] happened. This is an adverse friction-filled universe. So
[00:52:43] Dr. Taz: there's hope.
[00:52:44] Dr. Zach Bush: And so there's [00:52:45] not only hope, there is a 100% reality that nature is going to [00:52:50] engineer herself out of this crisis. Now the only question is, do we want [00:52:55] to stay in play as humans?
[00:52:56] Dr. Zach Bush: And if so, we just need to quickly align ourselves with [00:53:00] her predictable metabolic recovery process. And a metabolic recovery [00:53:05] process l- is achieved by the increasing the number of interconnected relationships [00:53:10] in nature. And so we've got to take ourselves out of these sterile boxes of houses, and [00:53:15] we need to get our children out in rivers and lakes that are not chemically poisoned, and we need to [00:53:20] start building our food system on soils that are regenerative, that are imbued with these [00:53:25] relationships across the microbiome from bacteria to fungi and the rest.
[00:53:29] Dr. Zach Bush: And [00:53:30] so we found that solution. We were able to show by 2013 in my lab, we were able to show that we could [00:53:35] completely reverse glyphosate damage at the cellular and metabolic level by reintroducing soil [00:53:40] extracts from fossil soils.
[00:53:41] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:53:42] Dr. Zach Bush: And so that would become the, the dietary supplement line [00:53:45] called ION or Intelligence of Nature.
[00:53:47] Dr. Zach Bush: Which I love.
[00:53:47] Dr. Taz: Yes.
[00:53:47] Dr. Zach Bush: And so what we can show is that [00:53:50] a, a tiny amount of glyphosate, so the residues that would be in this cup of tea that I'm drinking right [00:53:55] now, they're somewhere between... We're in Atlanta, so you're probably [00:54:00] Somewhere around 10 to 15 parts per billion, uh, are, is glyphosate in [00:54:05] this cup. And so with that, my cellular biology is diminished in its [00:54:10] mitochondrial potential.
[00:54:11] Dr. Zach Bush: But just half an hour before getting here, as I was leaving the hotel, I [00:54:15] sprayed a bunch of ION in my mouth, and the m- and that soil extract is [00:54:20] accelerating the light energy produced by my mitochondria at such a rate that that little bit of my- [00:54:25] glyphosate no longer does any damage. In fact, it actually makes me stronger.
[00:54:28] Dr. Taz: Hmm.
[00:54:29] Dr. Zach Bush: And this is where you [00:54:30] know you're getting back into a biologic threshold of regeneration when injury actually stimulates [00:54:35] repair to a point of strength rather than weakness. And so this is what we should see. This is why you go to [00:54:40] the gym. You go to the gym, you destroy millions of muscle cells by stressing it under the weight of [00:54:45] something.
[00:54:45] Dr. Zach Bush: You go run down those flight of stairs, you cause thousands or if not millions of tiny [00:54:50] little fractures in the bone from that weight-bearing pounding exercise Both [00:54:55] the gym and the bones after the run down the stairs start to regenerate and start to rebuild such [00:55:00] that your bone has higher density at the end of the day than before you ran down the stairs, and you have more muscle at the end of the week [00:55:05] than you did at the beginning of the week because you stressed the cells.
[00:55:08] Dr. Zach Bush: So stress, when it's used in the [00:55:10] threshold of biologic response, is always a good thing. So we can get the glyphosate in our [00:55:15] environment actually to act as exercise for our future biology if we have enough [00:55:20] information and enough resources, carbon resources from the soil. And so that's what we're showing with ION is [00:55:25] within seconds of that ion touching the cell membrane, the cell immediately [00:55:30] remakes the tight junctions that are damaged by glyphosate.
[00:55:33] Dr. Zach Bush: Tight junctions are the Velcro [00:55:35] between- Mm-hmm ... our cells. When you damage those, you get leaky gut, leaky brain. And so when you put the [00:55:40] communication network and resources back to the human cell, it [00:55:45] automatically does what it needs to do, which is to recreate healthy boundaries. Healthy boundaries are then [00:55:50] followed by increased metabolism at the cellular level.
[00:55:52] Dr. Zach Bush: And so within minutes of taking in these [00:55:55] soil extracts, you see your body's ATP production going through the roof, not only back to normal, [00:56:00] but actually higher than it was before the injury. And so in a beautiful way, nature has provided [00:56:05] not only the solution for the repair, it's r- it's giving us a, an [00:56:10] opportunity to move past any biologic potential we've lived before.
[00:56:13] Dr. Zach Bush: We will come out of the glyphosate [00:56:15] era stronger than we've ever been if we put enough nature back between us and the glyphosate. [00:56:20]
[00:56:20] Dr. Taz: So what can ... So I love ION biome, and we use it all the time in practice. We use it here [00:56:25] in the house. It's probably sitting on the table somewhere out there. And we have noticed that incr- I [00:56:30] mean, you can notice the- You feel the better energy
[00:56:31] Dr. Taz: instant increase in energy. But are there other [00:56:35] ways to do that as well? Yeah. Like, just from a, you know, individual standpoint. I mean, I [00:56:40] know food quality, all these other things make a difference, but like, what are [00:56:45] i- if ION biome or soil extracts are one, what are maybe two other super efficient [00:56:50] ways to regenerate energy, to improve sort of the ATP, the light [00:56:55] energy, chi, all these things- Yeah
[00:56:56] Dr. Taz: all these different things and ways we have of describing it?
[00:56:59] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:57:00] So the first step, what we saw, and by 2013 when we started getting these products on the market, is that this was gonna have to be a [00:57:05] Band-Aid, 'cause there's not enough of this fossil soil extract to actually k- let us keep doing what we're doing to- Mm
[00:57:09] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:57:10] right now we've killed 97% of the Earth's soils through chemical agriculture. If we keep [00:57:15] doing that, we will run out of the, the antidote. Right. Um, and so we, we need this soil of today to become the [00:57:20] soil of yesterday. We need to start generating such potent soils that every bite of food and every drink of [00:57:25] water is carrying these molecules in it again.
[00:57:27] Dr. Zach Bush: These molecules are made by diverse ecosystems, so [00:57:30] diverse species, d- diversity within the bacteria, fungi, protozoa, and the like are [00:57:35] creating these millions and millions of different variants of these little carbon molecules that function as the liquid [00:57:40] circuit board for communication. Redox chemistry is the s- technical name for that.
[00:57:44] Dr. Zach Bush: And so [00:57:45] that liquid circuit board is being created by diverse ecosystems. And so with, w- we hope we [00:57:50] put our entire supplement line and the entire supplement industry out of business over the next 30 years [00:57:55] because the concept of dietary supplementation is ludicrous. Like, nature's been feeding itself for [00:58:00] billions of years- Mm-hmm
[00:58:00] Dr. Zach Bush: on this planet. It wasn't waiting for humans to come along- Right ... to supplement nutrition. We [00:58:05] needed the supplement industry to come along when we completely denuded our food system of [00:58:10] nutrients. And so right now, the entire, you know, f- f- $500 billion [00:58:15] supplement industry is a Band-Aid on top of a dying food system.
[00:58:18] Dr. Zach Bush: So by 2018, [00:58:20] we realized we gotta do something about this 'cause farm fields all over the place, organic or otherwise, weren't performing at the [00:58:25] levels that were gonna recover this metabolic crisis that we've just described. So we launched a [00:58:30] nonprofit called Project Biome, and the concept of Project Biome is rewilding nature [00:58:35] systems to increase the number of communication networks and number of relationships in nature.
[00:58:39] Dr. Zach Bush: And [00:58:40] then regenerative agriculture as a system for allowing soil systems to return to this level of [00:58:45] intelligence and, and opportunity for repair. And then reconnected economies, when we start to [00:58:50] allow bioregional e- economies to, to surge again. Bioregional [00:58:55] economy is a description of your wellness financially should depend on how healthy is your [00:59:00] ecosystem- Mm-hmm
[00:59:00] Dr. Zach Bush: lo- locally.
[00:59:01] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:59:01] Dr. Zach Bush: Therefore, you should be eating from your system locally. You should be actually [00:59:05] stimulating industry locally, and we know this. We see signs up at every retail stop. Right. "Hey, [00:59:10] shop local."
[00:59:10] Dr. Taz: Local. Yep.
[00:59:11] Dr. Zach Bush: Don't give it all to the, you know, the five people that own all the stock of- Yeah
[00:59:14] Dr. Zach Bush: [00:59:15] Starbucks or whatever it is. Right. You know, so that eat local mindset is a symptom of this deep [00:59:20] knowingness that if we would return to the village, if we would re- return to village dynamics of [00:59:25] macroeconomics, we would have a very stable economy again. And so we don't necessarily [00:59:30] have to go backwards in time.
[00:59:31] Dr. Zach Bush: We need to go forwards in time to a new village model where we [00:59:35] understand that human biology and our meta- metabolism is equal to the soil metabolism. It's equal to [00:59:40] water metabolism, and now we need to start benchmarking our local economies against the success [00:59:45] of our local environments. And then we can play those off of each, each other.
[00:59:49] Dr. Zach Bush: You know, [00:59:50] one biosphere within the middle of the United States should actually have overlap and interaction with the biosphere [00:59:55] economics of those around it, and pretty soon, North America, uh, with Mexico, US, and Canada is [01:00:00] not three countries, but it's 15 biospheres that are communicating economically and energetically [01:00:05] to raise the vibration so that children can be a possibility again.
[01:00:07] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[01:00:08] Dr. Zach Bush: So that gender can be a possibility [01:00:10] again. And so this is where I think I get excited is it's pretty simple. It's, it's [01:00:15] rewilding, increasing the number of indigenous species in an e- environment. It's regenerative agriculture where we [01:00:20] stop chemically destroying the ecosystem, allow, uh, complex biodiversity to return, and [01:00:25] then a reconnected economy that honors that recovery system.
[01:00:28] Dr. Zach Bush: And so that's what we started in 2018, and we realized that it was[01:00:30]
[01:00:32] Dr. Zach Bush: too complex to re- like reach each [01:00:35] household with that message. Right. So we started Farmer's Footprint.
[01:00:37] Dr. Taz: Okay.
[01:00:37] Dr. Zach Bush: And Farmer's Footprint is our outward [01:00:40] effort with Project Biome, 'cause Project Biome was mostly working with governments and industry to like really align those [01:00:45] issues. But every household can do Farmer's Footprint, and so Farmer's Footprint is this w- wonderful, [01:00:50] uh, Japanese proverb that we pulled this from.
[01:00:52] Dr. Zach Bush: But the proverb is, "The best s- [01:00:55] fertilizer for a garden is the farmer's footprint."
[01:00:56] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[01:00:57] Dr. Zach Bush: And it was the realization that if every household [01:01:00] will get their shoes off and start walking in nature again, specifically in their [01:01:05] backyards or on their porch or in their community gardens, and start to be directly interacting with [01:01:10] soil, their health will immediately recover.
[01:01:12] Dr. Zach Bush: And so my clinic-
[01:01:13] Dr. Taz: Just interacting with them.
[01:01:14] Dr. Zach Bush: Just [01:01:15] interacting with nature. Not
[01:01:15] Dr. Taz: like planting things or doing
[01:01:17] Dr. Zach Bush: things or- That's exactly what you would love to do is- You know, but ... start and go [01:01:20] moving from walking in the garden to planting the garden. And s- in 1945, we [01:01:25] had a very high level of health. We'd gone to an average age expectancy of, you know, [01:01:30] 70, 72 or something like that.
[01:01:30] Dr. Zach Bush: And so we had this great recovery of life expectancy and everything else by the 1940s. [01:01:35] And at the end of World War II, in 1945, not just the US but the UK and all the [01:01:40] Allied forces, those countries were all growing 45% of their food system in their backyards. [01:01:45] Mm. We called them victory gardens. We understood that victory was only gonna occur if we had [01:01:50] food sovereignty.
[01:01:52] Dr. Zach Bush: This is the United States' problem right now is homeland security [01:01:55] has been boiled down to how big can we build defenses and how high can we make the tariffs.
[01:01:58] Dr. Taz: Right.
[01:01:59] Dr. Zach Bush: That's not [01:02:00] a healthy system. The healthy system would be where is food sustainability in the United [01:02:05] States? And the answer is zero. We have nu- no food sovereignty in this country anymore because we grow an enormous [01:02:10] amount of stuff, corn and soybean everywhere, but that never ends up on a human plate.
[01:02:14] Dr. Zach Bush: You [01:02:15] can't actually eat GMO corn or soybean. It's too toxic and it's... Doesn't even taste good. It [01:02:20] doesn't produce food, so we have to turn that into chemicals. So we do high fructose corn syrup, we do ethanol [01:02:25] for gasoline, we do plastics for our, our clothing industry so that everybody can wear plastic [01:02:30] yoga pants.
[01:02:30] Dr. Zach Bush: Like, it's just this intr- generative engine of energy, but it doesn't end up as [01:02:35] food. And so for that, the United States is extremely vulnerable, and really every, [01:02:40] every city system in the world is extremely vulnerable to humanitarian [01:02:45] crisis and biologic collapse because our food system supply chains are now measured in thousands of kilometers, [01:02:50] and we're extracting those food systems on slave labor pricing from developing [01:02:55] economies.
[01:02:55] Dr. Zach Bush: Mm. Mm-hmm. And so the United States is fed by South America. Uh, Europe is fed by Africa. [01:03:00] Middle East is fed by Africa and, and parts of Asia. And so it's slave [01:03:05] labor for thousands of years to produce food when food is not seen as the foundation [01:03:10] of life. And so we need change, major change in socioeconomic systems that [01:03:15] start in your household.
[01:03:16] Dr. Zach Bush: So you can immediately become part of the solution by joining this Farmer's Footprint [01:03:20] movement. If you go to the Farmer's Footprint website, farmersfootprint.us, [01:03:25] uh, and also in, in Australia, um, uh, we've got a big org there as well. [01:03:30] So you plug in and, and we have free content and, and cheap paid content too [01:03:35] that will take you through the 101 of how you turn your backyard, you know, Kentucky bluegrass lawn [01:03:40] into a food forest- Mm
[01:03:41] Dr. Zach Bush: to start creating health sovereignty and food sovereignty for your own household. [01:03:45] At the community level, starting to get engaged in community gardening. Um, I'm on the, [01:03:50] on the advisory board for Denver Urban Gardens, which is now really a template for the whole country, and they're [01:03:55] now teaching their systems of, of community garden management to 26 other states now.[01:04:00]
[01:04:00] Dr. Zach Bush: Um, but it's a phenomenal example of how urban settings can start to create food sovereignty [01:04:05] within these small pockets. And even a small amount of food grown in your backyard or community garden [01:04:10] has a huge ripple effect into your own biologic health and vitality.
[01:04:13] Dr. Taz: Wow. Hmm.
[01:04:13] Dr. Zach Bush: And so this is [01:04:15] the grace of nature that it takes such a little bit of her to start to restore your relationship [01:04:20] to her.
[01:04:20] Dr. Zach Bush: And so welcoming back a mint plant onto the countertop in your [01:04:25] kitchen or into the windowsill. A single mint is hard to kill. Mints like your magic. If you don't think [01:04:30] you can grow food, go buy a mint plant and find out that you can keep it alive. If you [01:04:35] just take a leaf off of that, even better bite the leaf off without picking it [01:04:40] 'cause there's actually more energy in that way that all of plant- all of animal life around the world grazes [01:04:45] on living food.
[01:04:45] Dr. Zach Bush: We're the only animal that goes and picks it and lets it die- Mm-hmm ... and then we eat it. Um, [01:04:50] so a little bite of mint off that plant daily actually retrains your body to [01:04:55] remember what generative food and generative water feels like and tastes like. And so you can start to [01:05:00] retrain your brain, retrain your biology into this direct relationship to nature through just a [01:05:05] single plant growing.
[01:05:06] Dr. Zach Bush: Let that be your inspiration. Then if you've got a backyard, tear that thing up next [01:05:10] spring. Get rid of the grass and start planting a whole food forest in your backyard. Hmm. Get the kids out [01:05:15] there. And any kid that doesn't like a vegetable is simply a kid that's never grown a vegetable. You get the kid [01:05:20] planting the seed and suddenly a tomato plant comes out, they're gonna eat the baby tomatoes- Yeah
[01:05:22] Dr. Zach Bush: and they're gonna love them. Yeah. And so [01:05:25] the child needs to understand where its food comes from again. Most kids don't know where a carrot comes from today, and a [01:05:30] lot of kids don't actually know what a carrot pulled outta the ground looks like 'cause they've only seen these little things that look like a [01:05:35] baby finger that got melded in the processing as a carrot.
[01:05:38] Dr. Zach Bush: So we're so [01:05:40] divorced from nature now that our children are suffering to the bu- metabolic crisis that they're [01:05:45] in. We got to reconnect and so get engaged locally. Community [01:05:50] farmer's markets, I'm really delighted are scr- starting to crop up in every community globally now. [01:05:55] Uh, from Africa to Europe to South Asia.
[01:05:57] Dr. Zach Bush: You can find 'em everywhere. And [01:06:00] so that, that's gonna be what the future looks like when our farmers are known, we know their [01:06:05] name. We volunteer in their farms on the weekends so the kids can feel what a big working farm feels like and [01:06:10] what soil smells like when compost is getting into it. And that whole technology- [01:06:15] That's healing in itself
[01:06:15] Dr. Zach Bush: is healing. Yeah. It's where the biologic recovery will begin, is this more interconnected [01:06:20] social system of reconnecting nature to humans.
[01:06:23] Dr. Taz: And that will heal the [01:06:25] planet?
[01:06:25] Dr. Zach Bush: Everything
[01:06:26] Dr. Taz: What do you think will happen geopolitically [01:06:30] when it comes to health and when it comes to the planet?
[01:06:32] Dr. Zach Bush: Yeah, so there's two different futures that are m- [01:06:35] merging.
[01:06:35] Dr. Zach Bush: One is a technocratic future where we re- rely on computer chips [01:06:40] planted in our brains to symptom manage our declining neurology and, you know, [01:06:45] artificial joints, and we're infusing everybody with peptides to symptom management them. Mm-hmm. Peptides will never [01:06:50] heal a human being. Peptides will never create health Uh, a probiotic will [01:06:55] never create a healthy gut.
[01:06:56] Dr. Zach Bush: These are, these are symptom management tools that are making billions of [01:07:00] dollars for the pharmaceutical industry. Don't sell yourself short on nature. [01:07:05] Nature intended you to produce your own peptides.
[01:07:07] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[01:07:07] Dr. Zach Bush: Don't get stem cells from some other [01:07:10] quantum being. If it's getting stem cells injected into your body from a fetus that's not you, that's [01:07:15] confusing the hell out of your own biology at that point.
[01:07:17] Dr. Zach Bush: 'Cause maybe your biology will allow a [01:07:20] stem cell to produce a cell, but if it's quantum entangled with a different soul, I stand on the fact that [01:07:25] that is confusing to a human body- Yeah ... and it's gonna force an inflammatory reaction over time because it's [01:07:30] not self. And so we need to get away from this external pursuit of [01:07:35] health, and we need to become internal generators.
[01:07:37] Dr. Zach Bush: And so my eight-week program is called The Journey of [01:07:40] Intrinsic Health because it's really the, my 30 years boiled down to a nutshell of it can [01:07:45] only happen inside of you.
[01:07:46] Dr. Taz: Hmm.
[01:07:46] Dr. Zach Bush: You're the only pathway to your own health.
[01:07:48] Dr. Taz: Wow.
[01:07:48] Dr. Zach Bush: There's nobody that can add a single [01:07:50] technology that's actually gonna make you biologically more complete.
[01:07:53] Dr. Zach Bush: You are... We're so biologically, [01:07:55] energetically, metabolically complete at the moment of conception that you became you. That [01:08:00] level of intelligence will be thousands of years in the future if we even get scratched. We are [01:08:05] so far from our technology mimicking the intelligence of a single human cell, let [01:08:10] alone the symphony of 70 trillion cells.
[01:08:12] Dr. Zach Bush: You can't even cal- There's no technology that's gonna help [01:08:15] you. You need to come in line with the original math that designed you, and to do that, you have to [01:08:20] integrate back into nature in a deep way.
[01:08:23] Dr. Taz: Powerful. I don't think we [01:08:25] can end this at any better place. I think it's a message of hope.
[01:08:28] Dr. Taz: Unfortunately, we [01:08:30] have walked a journey that has made us sick, made our planet sick as well, but I [01:08:35] think if we can all come together and turn it around, then we can have a different outcome for sure. [01:08:40] It has been an amazing conversation. You always blow my mind every time you come on. Yeah. And probably want [01:08:45] you back for part three just to dive deeper into some of these ideas.
[01:08:49] Dr. Taz: But for anybody [01:08:50] watching or listening today, where can they find you?
[01:08:53] Dr. Zach Bush: Uh, my main [01:08:55] educational we- website is Zach Bush MD, uh, zachbushmd.com. You can keep an eye out [01:09:00] for my book that's coming out that will encompass a lot of this stuff. So y- it, it takes [01:09:05] iteration and repeating this information in yourself 'cause it's opposite of almost everything you've heard over the last 40 [01:09:10] years.
[01:09:10] Dr. Zach Bush: So, so the book is there to really start, give us a, a grounding rod to say, "Okay, let's [01:09:15] begin again- Mm-hmm ... on our understanding of science in areas." So that book is called Human, and it comes out [01:09:20] soon. So, um, you can tie in there and, and start to really think through how you're gonna [01:09:25] rebuild your family unit and- Amazing
[01:09:26] Dr. Zach Bush: your community and everything else around this understanding of metabolic force [01:09:30] as our future, or only our future. Uh, intelligenceofnature.com will [01:09:35] find you to the soil supplements and, and help bring all of those resources. There's a gut supplement, an incredible [01:09:40] skin supplement that reverses the, the aging of the skin.
[01:09:43] Dr. Zach Bush: Um, both ones functioning [01:09:45] as this kind of, uh, nature antidote to the, the current chemistry of our planet. Uh, [01:09:50] and then there's a whole line of botanicals that are now available for sleep, [01:09:55] for immunity, for, uh, brain focus, and those are nourishing [01:10:00] the mitochondrial and metabolic pathways necessary for those different organ systems to return to [01:10:05] these high metabolic states.
[01:10:06] Dr. Zach Bush: So intelligenceofnature.com there. Uh, [01:10:10] journeyofintrinsichealth.com, you can find your way to our coaching program for practitioners. We, we [01:10:15] train doctors, nurses into all of this science, and the, it's be- far beyond the science. There's really [01:10:20] the lifestyle that allows the support of the science to happen, uh, within a single individual.
[01:10:24] Dr. Zach Bush: And [01:10:25] so that, that practitioner coaching program is available. It's a four-month training program. Uh, [01:10:30] we're certified coaching, uh, uh, certified by the, the International Coaching Federation around [01:10:35] that. Um, for, uh, consumers, um, out there and [01:10:40] families that need help and support, we have the eight-week program, which is an immersion in [01:10:45] really reintroducing your own biology to yourself, and that's a process of reintroduction of, [01:10:50] of core self, that core identity that knit you together in your mother's womb, and then we reintroduce you to food, [01:10:55] water, breath, fasting, movement, play, community through these new lenses of [01:11:00] self and helping you tie back into your intrinsic knowingness of where your health path lays.[01:11:05]
[01:11:05] Dr. Zach Bush: And it's a little different from each person, but it's a beautiful experience because it's group immersion, so you've got [01:11:10] seven other people that are witnessing your healing journey.
[01:11:12] Dr. Taz: Hmm.
[01:11:12] Dr. Zach Bush: And it's only through the witnessing that you actually heal. [01:11:15] If you try to go heal by yourself, you actually get sicker over time, not, not, not less [01:11:20] sick.
[01:11:20] Dr. Zach Bush: And so it... You have to be in community to really fundamentally heal.
[01:11:23] Dr. Taz: Wow.
[01:11:23] Dr. Zach Bush: And it's so powerful [01:11:25] when we empower each other, not as doctors and nurses, but as a small community. What if we could heal [01:11:30] each other by being witness to one another? Hmm. And we're taking that to the extreme with our immersive experiences, [01:11:35] and so you can go, again, uh, Zach Bush, MD.
[01:11:36] Dr. Zach Bush: Keep an eye out on my website and social media for [01:11:40] the immersive experiences that happen a few times a year around the world, and that is a [01:11:45] radical kind of reset of human biology through changing the sacred geometry inside the water crystal of human [01:11:50] cells through somatic work that we do for seven days straight together in magnificent parts of [01:11:55] nature to get that nature immersion and re-energizing the original design of human.[01:12:00]
[01:12:00] Dr. Taz: Fascinating. So there's no reason to begin somewhere with all those different options. Mm-hmm. [01:12:05] And I wanna thank you again for being here. I ask every guest this question, but I think [01:12:10] I already know the answer. You know, this show is really about bringing science and spirit [01:12:15] together, and you talk about it your s- so well in everything you just discussed.
[01:12:19] Dr. Taz: But [01:12:20] when it comes to you- Hmm ... Zach Bush, what makes you whole? [01:12:25]
[01:12:25] Dr. Zach Bush: I'm working on that. This has, like, been my biggest challenge, and maybe this is part three [01:12:30] for you or something like that, 'cause it's such a, a... It's the most intensely [01:12:35] beautiful and challenging thing I've ever done. Started about four years ago.
[01:12:38] Dr. Zach Bush: I was taking the Course in Miracles, and [01:12:40] it blew apart my whole concept of human relationships, and one [01:12:45] of the human relationship metrics or matrices that I held most sacred, which was that of [01:12:50] marriage. Suddenly seen through that lens, I realized we have done something unnatural to human relationships.
[01:12:54] Dr. Zach Bush: We have [01:12:55] broken the, the fundamental natural law within human dynamics, and for that, we see all the stress within [01:13:00] human relationships. Mm-hmm. And, uh, never before has it been more high, you know, this [01:13:05] extreme level of stress within re- relationships right now, and I think it's because [01:13:10] nature is forcing us to reevaluate not just city systems.
[01:13:13] Dr. Zach Bush: We gotta f- focus back on what [01:13:15] does it mean to be me? And so for the last four years, I've been following that Course in Miracles journey into what they call [01:13:20] holy relationship, which is this completion of the masculine and feminine within myself.
[01:13:24] Dr. Taz: Hmm. [01:13:25]
[01:13:25] Dr. Zach Bush: And there's no greater challenge that I've ever faced, because it triggers everything that you didn't [01:13:30] want to face as a human, which is the possibility of loneliness.
[01:13:33] Dr. Zach Bush: What if love is scarce? What if... You [01:13:35] know, it takes you through all these layers of fears, guilts, and shames that you have been programmed with, [01:13:40] and this slow detox of all of those matrices has been the most magnificent thing I've [01:13:45] ever pursued, the most challenging thing I've ever pursued. Hmm. And it's, it's really [01:13:50] is the keystone, or maybe it's the key in the lock for how we're gonna survive as a species, is completing [01:13:55] ourselves.
[01:13:55] Dr. Taz: Completing yourself. You're gonna have to come back and tell us what you learn- ... from that [01:14:00] journey next. All right. For everybody watching and listening to this episode of Whole Plus, thank you for [01:14:05] being here. I have been so inspired by this. I hope you guys have as well, and I'll see you next time. [01:14:10]
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