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A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
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Aaron: Let me get one thing for my dog.
So she leaves me alone and
then I'll be right back.
Emmmanuel: I knew that feel.
Emily: Very important.
Jeremy: my dog is wandering
around out there somewhere.
I can hear his nails
clicking on the floor.
Emmmanuel: Beans has decided he
wants to be in the office, but
we'll see if he stays quiet or not.
Sometimes he likes to just audibly lick
himself for 20 minutes at a time, so.
Love for Alicia not to have to edit that.
Emily: yeah.
20 minutes is
Emmmanuel: He's in there, which, you
know, not all God's creatures have
thumbs, so, you do what you gotta.
Emily: Yeah.
Is this, beans?
Emmmanuel: No.
Beans is lying down.
This is Javier.
We have the menagerie.
Say hi, Javi.
Emily: With white whiskers on
one side but not on the other?
Emmmanuel: Oh, that's cause he's
a terror and he fights the other
two and so now cats have those
cute like eyebrow whiskers.
His are never there because he's
always getting like his shit rocked.
Emily: Oh, shit.
Oh, buddy.
My cats have mostly stopped
fighting each other.
Oswald got a real good scratch on
the nose when he was a kitten from,
Suzaku, but now they're like best
buds and they cuddle and everything.
Emmmanuel: They cuddle sometimes, but he
mostly likes to pounce on the other two.
Emily: Oh, is he the youngest?
Emmmanuel: He and Mango are
the same age, but basically,
yes, he's like the smallest.
Emily: Oh, okay.
he's the little Rapscallion,
Emmmanuel: Exactly.
Emily: that's Oswald in this
house, even though he's not the
smallest, but he is the youngest.
Emmmanuel: Welcome to cat chat,
Emily: Cat Chat,
.
Emmmanuel: Cat chat is fun, because
isn't chat like French for cat?
It's redundant.
Tadah!
We
Emily: I don't know what the
French word for chat is, though.
Like, chat gbt.
They call it chat, or chat gbt.
Le chat gbt.
I mean, they can also
call it shit if they want.
I certainly will.
Jeremy: Good evening and welcome to
progressively horrified the podcast
where we hold horror to progressive
standards It never agreed to tonight.
We're talking about Mary Shelley's moon
girl and devil dinosaur It's an angry
black girl and her monster I am your host,
Jeremy Whitley, and with me tonight, I
have a panel of cinephiles and Cenobites.
First, they're here to challenge
the sexy werewolf, sexy vampire
binary, my co host, Ben Kahn.
Ben, how are you tonight?
Ben: Oh, I am here to give a big
round of applause for best dad in
ever, Chad Coleman, in this movie.
Jeremy: Yeah, good.
Ben: I was so happy when I realized
it was Chad Coleman playing the dad.
Jeremy: absolutely.
and the cinnamon roll of Cenobites,
our co host, Emily Martin.
Emily, how are you tonight?
Emily: Also appreciating Best Dad.
It's not often you get Sad Dad and Best
Dad at the same character, but here
Jeremy: Daddad and Raddad.
Emily: Sad Dad.
Ben: good dad trying his best.
Emily: Yes.
Jeremy: Yeah, those are two, those are
usually two different horror movies.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: And our guest tonight, two of
our favorite pals, comics reviewer and co
host of Talkin Comics podcast, Aaron Amos,
and English educator, Emmanuel Lipscomb.
Guys!
Thanks for coming!
Aaron: Hello, hello.
Emmmanuel: Happy to be here.
Jeremy: Yeah, we're glad to have you guys.
This one was, uh, one that's been on
our list for a little bit since it came
out, and, uh, wanted to get it in here
and get some folks in to talk about it.
uh, a little bit about it up front, it is,
uh, written and directed by, uh, Bomani J.
Story.
Who's got a few credits to his name,
but this is, I think, his first, like,
at least horror full length film.
Doesn't have a whole lot.
But it is, it has a great cast.
It stars Lea DeLeon Hayes in
sort of the, the main role.
We have, uh, Denzel Whitaker.
Yeah.
Emmmanuel: It was great.
Jeremy: Yeah, Denzel
Whitaker, we have Chad C.
Coleman, Riley Brooks, Sith.
Keith Holiday and, uh, Idem Atsu Swanzy
doing a lot of growling mostly, but,
you know, it's very effective growling.
Ben: Uh, he growls like a motherfucker.
Emily: Yes.
Jeremy: Very, very growling growling.
Yeah, um, so, it's not, not especially
thick on plot, it's, it's a lot of
suspense and, uh, a little bit of
violence and we, we do follow, Vicaria
who is our, our main character, uh,
who is played by Leia de Leonhays.
She's lost her mother and brother to
gang violence, we sort of find out
during the opening credits, and we
see her drag her brother's body off.
We find out she's become obsessed
on this mission to cure death,
which she sees as a disease.
She's been, to that effect, stealing
a bunch of bodies of people who keep
getting killed in her neighborhood.
I would assume largely to gang and police
violence from, from what we're told.
She's having a bad time with
school with her, uh, racist
teacher, but her dad has her back.
Don't worry, that will not come up again.
We have, like, literally just one scene in
the, the school, and I was all ready for
that to be a big part of this story, and
then they're just like, Nah, established.
Ben: also
Emmmanuel: though.
She was a piece of shit.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: get a reference that they
have a German sounding last name.
They never say what the name is, but
Aaron: Yep.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Aaron: took me a while to read.
Emmmanuel: I literally just got that.
So I'm really dumb despite being smart.
I like didn't get that
for like half the movie.
I thought Bomani J's story was
like an alias for Bomani Jones.
This is just like his pen name.
Emily: Oh.
Jeremy: Somebody, somebody
cloned Bomani Jones and Tim
Story together and Made one guy.
Ben: They did the fusion dance.
Emily: He has his own story.
Jeremy: yeah, so, uh, as you might guess
it's sort of a Frankenstein y story
about her bringing her brother back,
and then just like in Frankenstein,
she gets scared of him, and he, he
actually legit goes on a rampage.
Uh, he's got some, some
ill defined powers.
It seems that something about his,
his touch, I don't know if it's
because he's animated by electricity
or what, and he burns people.
Ben: He also has the biggest hands
where the, where the fuck did Aria find?
Like someone like those, with those
like fucking big ass COA fingers.
Aaron: Those were meaty digits.
Emily: Yeah, I think she made them
from, like, each digit from scratch,
and I think there were, like, multiple
layers, because she probably the top
layers kept rotting off, and she was
like, ah, shit, I gotta do another one.
That's I
Emmmanuel: Sometimes you got
to double bag your hands.
Emily: yeah, yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah, he's got those
Andre the Giant sized hands.
Ben: One thing I love about this movie is
that the theme isn't, or the lesson isn't.
Beware of science gone too far.
The theme is good science
requires multiple trials.
Emily: Yes.
Emmmanuel: much like a, hey, if
you're going to do it, use fresh.
Like then what are you doing?
Like you, you can't let it's like fish.
You can't let this sit
Ben: Watch any fucking
Kitchen Nightmares episode.
What do they say?
Bye, French.
Jeremy: Gonna keep your science
simple, fresh, delicious.
Ben: Finally some good
fucking resurrection.
Aaron: Oh, geez.
Jeremy: she gets sort of tangled up
with the, the local drug dealer who is
played by Denzel Whitaker whose name
is Kango, who will make a surprise
face turn at one point in this movie.
He is Set up to be like the bad
guy through a good chunk of it Even
though he has his henchman Jamal
whose goal is to like whose entire
job is to be like, I'm gonna fucking
kill somebody the whole movie
Emily: guy with machete.
Jeremy: vaguely unstable and carrying
a machete around the projects like
Ben: Hango, the strangely
woke, socially aware drug lord.
Emily: I mean,
Emmmanuel: I kind of love that about
Ben: oh, I loved it.
No, he has a great line.
Like, I think you could legit
write an essay about it.
He has one of my favorite lines in the
movie where he says like, if there were
more mental health clinics and less
police, I'd be in a whole other hustle.
Aaron: I love that she
clowns him on that though.
She's like, what?
What
Ben: She
Emmmanuel: she got real bold for someone
talking to, like, the local gang leader,
Emily: I know
Aaron: why I
like
Emily: to yeah, like she had a
machete to her throat multiple times.
And
Aaron: Yeah.
She had the ability to make me
So irritated with her while at
the same time rooting for her.
I was just like, I really need you
to shut up, but keep talking because
I really like what you're saying.
Emmmanuel: No, part of the thing with
her, with her teacher, I'm like, yo,
you're being kind of rude right now.
Like, I get you got a point
to make, but like, if I were
teaching you, I'd be annoyed.
Emily: yeah,
Ben: Like, I want to see all the
other instances, like, I wish we'd
gotten when she's like, she just
keeps bringing up death, like, I wish
we'd gotten a montage of her just
relating every school subject back to
like, By the way, I can cure death.
Emily: yeah, I kind of
wish there was more of her.
Like process
a little
Ben: we got to see her in
history class where they're like,
George Washington crossed the
Delaware, and she's like, I could
Emmmanuel: I could bring him back.
Aaron: I
Emily: I don't know.
It's not very fresh
Aaron: I, I do like that you got her,
I almost wanna call her like her oral
thesis, you know, in the opening credits.
Like, this is where I first saw, you
know, signs of this disease and, and,
and this is where I saw another side
of this disease and, you know, and
then such and such began to present
symptoms at such, I was like, okay.
I like the way they're doing that.
And they're, yeah, she's a wackadoodle,
but still, I like the way they're.
You know, they're doing this.
Ben: very much a medical luminary of the
19th century, where medical science was
just like, Yeah, fucking get some dead
bodies on the down low and go to town!
Emmmanuel: Yeah, we're
gonna do cocaine about it.
Ben: Yeah!
Emily: mean that I what we have going
on right now is I mean other than the
like the resurrection We don't have
people making a Frankenstein monsters
all over the place Although sometimes
I feel like it but the the kind of
Ben: Haha, Fox News joke.
Emily: that the kind of like medical,
superstitions that we have where
people might as well be like doing
cocaine for the ghosts in their blood,
you know, just like pandemic wise.
But I just wanted to mention that,
like, in that way, I kind of like, on
one hand, I kind of wish that we had a
little bit more of like how she did it.
But at the same time, like, I, it's not
about that and it's not about science
because the science already is, is.
You know, vague at best, because
the Mary Shelley story is based
on alchemy, which is magic.
Emmmanuel: No, I wondered about that.
Like, where is she getting this gear?
How did she learn to do this?
Like, it, I, there's a lot of
things that I put together as a kid.
Things involving, like,
substations and lightning that's
man made were not a part of it.
Ben: This is how I knew I grew up with too
much Texas Laboratory and Jimmy Neutron.
Cause I watched like this girl genius in
her secret lab and I'm like, no questions.
Yup, this checks it out.
Jeremy: Seems
Emily: thing that I was I was disappointed
by in her I mean, there were a few things
that I'm like, this doesn't, I don't
know if this would work, but, you know,
it's magic territory, so I don't care.
But then, the fact that she didn't
use eye protection I mean, just like
the regular plastic safety goggles.
I was a little concerned for her
in that regard, because I'm like,
I know that you're obsessed, and I
know that you're like, you know, a
mad scientist and stuff, but like,
even mad scientists wear goggles.
Emmmanuel: I mean, an electrician would
wear goggles, gloves, and boots, right?
Emily: Yeah, yeah, I think she probably
had like a mat or something, but, you
Ben: Yeah, maybe the weak ass ones.
I
Emily: good on her for, for
acquiring those Tesla coils
though, because like, damn.
Ben: Mean, she could build a
fucking Iron Man suit in that lab.
Jeremy: Yeah, I mean, she's, I
mean, there's a lot of stuff in
this movie that is very close to
the Ironheart origin story from
Emmmanuel: was gonna say,
Jeremy: Like, down to
Emmmanuel: is short for Vicaria.
Jeremy: yeah, down to like the, the,
you know, the gangland murderers,
Ben: I'm uh, I like this version
of RiRi better than the one
we got in Wakanda Forever.
Aaron: So question, how much Febreze
do you need to prevent people from
smelling dead bodies in a room?
Because that dude was ripe.
You can't convince me otherwise.
Emily: yeah, and there
was a lot of him too.
Jeremy: not have been able to sneak
up on people that easily, like,
Emmmanuel: Well, and he's also like,
we don't talk about Bruno in the
wall right there while y'all eat.
Aaron: Like, you can't smell that?
But then again, maybe, maybe
that's just the normal smell, I
Jeremy: I mean, there's a hole into an
abandoned apartment there that's like,
literally boarded up, so it probably
has a pretty rough smell to begin with.
Ben: I mean, you got, plus you got Jada
just being like, The creepiest fucking
nine year old for no goddamn reason.
Emily: Yeah, yeah, she was really
hitting that, like, creepy kid trope
Ben: I kept expecting her
to be like, Of course he is.
I've been telling him to kill.
I've been I Jada in the mastermind.
Emmmanuel: I love how creepy she
is because she is super creepy,
but when she's not being creepy,
she's saying her ABCs with attitude.
Like, like,
Emily: Yeah, she's great when
she's saying her ABCs and when
she's, like, giving attitude.
I, you know, I kind of wish she was
giving attitude the whole time and
not being like, they're here, you
know, it just feels a little bit
off, like, out of character for her.
Aaron: I will say, the creepy laughs
For her at time took me out of it
because I'm like, all right, you
walked right up to the edge and then
say, yeah, I'm going to jump right
on over and give you the full line.
At one point.
I like, literally expected her to start
twirling her mustache and like ringing
her hands or something like that.
Because I'm like, you are leaning
into this crazy kid routine.
So
Jeremy: I
mean, speaking of, speaking of doing a
lot, what did you guys feel about Aisha?
Emmmanuel: I kind of liked it.
I was just thinking, like, I like that.
Aisha has like, her like, even her mom's
like, yo, you're hotep, but like, she's
got all her opinions and is clearly
Ben: That was such a great line.
That was so good.
Emmmanuel: Kengo like, has his
little like, views on society and
the world, like, it's not like,
Vakaria's the only smart one
Ben: Oh, Aisha.
Emmmanuel: of these people
have something going on,
Ben: Well, I liked how it was
different kinds of intelligence, too.
Like, Vakaria's very much got
that, like, scientific knowledge.
And then here's Aisha ready to be,
like, the pregnant Fred Hampton.
Good.
Jeremy: I, I appreciate that they had
her mom calling her out on it in there,
because it was like, I'm not sure how
seriously the film wants us to take her.
Like, you know,
obviously, there's some stuff going
Ben: Anyone just going around giving
children books from Malcolm X?
Respect.
Ba Ba Ba steven, I might go so far to
Emmmanuel: That is also the smallest
Malcolm X copy I've ever seen in my life.
Ben: Ha ha!
Hey, you gotta keep your po You gotta
keep your pocket sized Malcolm on, yeah?
Jeremy: that's just the one she had.
She didn't go get that.
That was like, in her pocket.
It's,
Aaron: That was a spare.
That was a spare.
Yeah.
I also, I
Ben: wha
Aaron: liked the way that, I mean,
what were there, there were like,
literally, what, what would you
say, like, four sets, if you want to
Emmmanuel: Yeah,
Aaron: the, Yeah, there were four
Ben: there was the lab,
Aaron: The apartment.
Ben: the school, and at the outside, and
the couch throne was almost its own set.
Aaron: so, I mean, I love that it gave
that sort of scale and scope to, I mean,
their world, their world is essentially
this small space, because at some
point, you're just like, all right,
why don't you get the hell out of there
and just sort of leave the neighbor?
But then, you know, it.
It set the boundaries, just seeing those
places repeating themselves sort of set
the boundaries for how big this world
was and the, how much of a community
it, it really was because, you know,
and when I say that, I don't mean are
everybody embracing everyone community,
but it's just, it's a community.
It's got all the parts and pieces, the
parts you love, the parts you don't and
is your community and you're just there.
You know, this, this is your world.
Emily: And everybody knows each other
Ben: Where do we think
the movie took place?
I definitely got a lot
of Atlanta vibes from it.
Emmmanuel: I
couldn't tell their accents like
didn't scream any particular
Aaron: Yeah, I was trying
to figure out, I was like
trying
Jeremy: it was filmed in North Carolina.
So,
Emily: oh,
Emmmanuel: Really?
Jeremy: yeah, I, or at least
partially filmed in North Carolina.
It, it has those, it has those low
rise two floor projects that North Car
like, Durham has a lot of old ones,
and, uh, Atlanta, I'm sure, has them.
And I, you know, they were
really like, they were a big
part of like the wire as well.
Like
Ben: yeah, definitely got a lot of that.
Like, it really was this feeling where
it's like, it very much still feels
like a city, yet nothing is walkable.
Or quite walkable.
Like, everything feels both, like,
there's nowhere else to go, but
everything's still, like, too spaced out.
Emily: yeah, it's, it's a
low income housing project.
The only thing that really flagged
me as anywhere was the school and
the school felt kind of, well, it
definitely felt East Coast to me, but
Jeremy: yeah, everything
feels pretty East coast.
I mean, the, the, the neighborhood
could be in LA for, for all
it matters other than the.
Emily: yeah.
Jeremy: the, the well greened lawn,
Ben: Ah, drought.
Jeremy: yeah,
Emmmanuel: at dinner and I think
of that as a southeast thing
Emily: Oh, yeah, that's true, that's true.
Aaron: grew up in Buffalo, we had college,
of course, all my grandparents were
from Alabama, so never mind, carry on.
Emmmanuel: man I'm like but you're black
Aaron: I see the thread, never mind.
Ben: I think we can definitely, I
think we can pinpoint, like, Southeast.
Jeremy: yeah, somewhere, somewhere
between Maryland and Georgia.
Ben: Yes.
Emily: Which also begs the question
about the weather and the amount
of heat that was involved with the,
Ben: Again, that lab is,
that lab is fuckin ripe.
Emily: Yeah.
She may have, well, for all we
know, I mean, she's cured death,
so maybe she's cured stink as well.
Like,
Emmmanuel: I was gonna say, it's
probably for the best that she's
not in the southeast if it's, you
know, deal with that humidity.
Like,
Emily: yeah.
Jeremy: hallucinating, cause she,
she does some, like, giggling while
she's taking bodies apart in the lab
that was, I know was supposed to be
unsettling, but even still was like,
what are you giggling at, though, like?
Aaron: I was like, why are you
holding it so close to your face?
Ben: I mean, do you never just kinda
laugh and smile to yourself when you're
playing with your action figures?
Emmmanuel: well, I'm like, you went
back to the whole like PPE thing,
like, no mask, no, like, goggles.
Like, how, like, I would be livid
if a dead body, like, splashed in
my mouth while I'm trying to make
my little Frankenstein monster.
Emily: Yeah, and it's her brother too,
like, it's not, I mean, it's weird to
be like, I don't, I wouldn't see my
brother as, I mean, I'm an only child,
so I don't know, but it's hard for
me.
It's hard for me to think about,
like, tying, like, pork cutlets to my
brother's face to make it whole again.
And then being like, you
Jeremy: if there was a weakness to me
in the story, it was the timetable just
because like, I was like, I'm not sure
how long it's been since her brother died.
I mean, we find out later that Aisha
is pregnant with his child, so it's
been less than nine months since he
died, but it's unclear just how long
because I guess her father's had an
entire downward spiral since then
and has somewhat come up from that.
It's yeah, that, that was
all a little unclear to me.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: but yeah, she, she resurrects
her brother, he comes back as sort
of a seemingly aggressive monster,
just like in actual Frankenstein,
she doesn't really make much effort
to try and talk to him and like, see
if things can be cool, she kind of
locks him in a garage and runs off.
Ben: even before that, her first
thing was like, great, you are now
my, like, attack dog on command.
Punch through that window, steal
those drugs, beat up that innocent
drug dealer, oh no, you, you beat up
that innocent drug dealer too much!
Emmmanuel: that's just
being an older sibling.
Like,
Aaron: Yeah,
Ben: Like, if we, like, I guess it's
one thing, like, do we believe that
this is, like, truly Chris revived?
Or is this a classic Frankenstein,
an entirely new being?
In which case And if it is, in his
like, ten minutes of existence,
all he's been told is like, Break
stuff, steal stuff, attack people.
Emmmanuel: I think I read
it as it was actually Chris.
Emily: I think it was supposed
to be Chris, but he was having
trouble being Chris because
everybody was calling him a monster.
And
Jeremy: Yeah, also he'd been dead for
several months, so nothing was working
quite the way it was supposed to.
Ben: Well, I was, uh, yeah, like,
Vicaria has that line where she's
like, They call them a monster, so
he became one, and I'm like, Not
sure about they, maybe, uh, maybe a
little, maybe a little we in there?
Emmmanuel: CrossFit.
Emily: I mean,
Ben: Maybe a little,
Emily: the playing God
Ben: You know, maybe let's
not act like, uh, you're quite
blameless in this situation?
Aaron: Did no one question how she
dragged that body from wherever
he died to wherever she needed to,
Ben: Well, that was
Aaron: all the work?
Ben: I loved that, where they're
like, oh yeah, just like, we've
got a body snatcher on the loose.
Like, where's the prequel, where she's
just going around, like, following, like,
anyone who she thinks might die or kill
somebody and be like, yeah, got one!
Emmmanuel: Well, and Kris is a big dude.
It's not like she just, like,
threw him over the shoulder
Jeremy: McCurry's been doing
some squats in that lab, too.
She
just
Emily: yeah.
No, she's powerful.
Like, I fully believe
that she's just powerful.
Especially how she just fends off,
like, this whole gang of guys and,
like, dude with machete and all.
She's just
Emmmanuel: knows she
can suplex all of them.
Emily: yeah,
Jeremy: I love the, like, continuation
of her as an actress going from
Doc McStuffins to this, though.
I've gotta say, like, it's just The idea
that this is still the same character to
me is just, too delightful to pass up.
This is just Doc McStuffins.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: and she will master life
and death and finally put
Doc McStuffins in his place.
Emily: Yeah, I think that Well,
are we done with recap yet?
Or
Jeremy: well, I mean, so from this
point, there's a lot of, like, He is
hiding out in the walls, or hiding out
in the abandoned apartment next door,
the little girl is playing with him, and,
Ben: he growls the ABCs!
Jeremy: yeah,
Emily: good for him.
Jeremy: him and the little girl are new
Ben: sing with me?
Jeremy: yeah, uh, she's being creepy,
and, uh, because, because she gets seen
with this mysterious guy that nobody
knows who it is, who beats up her.
Yeah.
and eventually will have
killed one of the drug dealers.
He'll, you know, he'll die later on.
She gets recruited to do some, some
drug making, uh, with her chemistry
set, uh, and, you know, does so for a
while until, like, things start to go
sideways and she decides that she's
just going to give them back their drugs
that she stole and call it a day so
that their family can live in peace, but
unfortunately it's too late for that.
Her brother has killed, uh, well,
it's unclear whether her brother or
Jamal ultimately killed one or more
police officers and then on top of
that he kills several more people,
uh, Jamal turns on Kango and, and
puts his, puts his machete through
his shoulder bone, which apparently is
just enough to make you limp a little
Aaron: ha
Jeremy: Because he, he
does make a comeback and,
Ben: well it's the nerves, it's like
the show, it's like the limping nerves
are connected to the shoulder bone.
Emily: Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I learned
Emmmanuel: in there.
Jeremy: yeah, there's, there
aren't any important arteries
that close to your neck, I'm
Ben: Jerome starts out with multiple
character traits, and over the
course of the movie goes like, I'd
kinda like to just have one, and I'd
like that one trait to be machete.
Emmmanuel: I think that's what
I get in love about Kango, is
he still has that complexity of
like, oh, he's kind of thoughtful.
He gets one of the funniest lines, I
think, in this movie when Vicaria has
changed to go cook the drugs or whatever.
She walks out, he's like, don't be
slamming my fucking door, wine shirt ass.
And I like, fell off the couch.
Like,
Ben: That also made me realize that
like, You know, while I obviously can't
repeat the n word part of the insult, a
really effective way to insult anybody
is just pick, like, an article of
clothing they happen to be wearing, and
then, like, wear an ass motherfucker.
Emmmanuel: it's facts.
That's how that
Ben: just like, grey sweatshirt
ass lookin motherfucker.
Emily: I almost would be intrigued.
Like, I
Ben: It always works.
Emily: Yeah, like, if, if, I
mean, that's kind of a fun insult.
Like, that's
Emmmanuel: It is.
Well, I'm like, he's funny, he's
smart, he loves his grandma, like,
Aaron: well, I mean, we were
all thinking of it was as soon
as she came around the corner.
I was like, well, that's off putting
like, well, what's that all about?
I don't know.
I, at that point, I like completely
forgot that she was going to make drugs.
I'm like, what was behind that choice?
I mean, I feel like
you're smarter than that.
Why
Emmmanuel: making margaritas.
Emily: She
Aaron: I guess.
Emily: wasting, wasting
away in Margaritaville.
Ben: Like, Kago honestly feels
like he got lost on the way
from a John Singleton movie.
Emily: It's,
Aaron: right.
So first of all, I struggle with
putting Kengo in the hero column.
I feel like I, I, I,
Ben: complex, like,
surprisingly three dimensional.
Aaron: I feel like he's
an asshole with layers.
But, you know, I, I wouldn't necessarily
say I would agree that he's complex,
but I mean, in the end, he basically
let somebody put a machete to a girl's
throat and full shirt into drug servitude.
Emmmanuel: Jamal, like, got the, like,
how, want to know how I got these scars?
Like,
Jeremy: I don't know about heroic, but
he does do a full, like, face turn,
in that, like, he gets a machete put
halfway through his shoulder, and then
decides to go chase the dude down to
keep him from, to keep him from killing,
uh, uh, Vicaria, and then, like,
Ben: we're definitely
not in the territory of,
Jeremy: going to kill this monster
together, you and I, we're gonna
figure this out, and she's like,
oh, I need somebody to do this thing
that'll almost certainly get him
killed, and he's like, cool, I'm on it.
Emily: I mean, he does have that.
Ben: the level of Dimitri
from the first Purge,
Emily: I was gonna say,
Ben: quasi mythical folk hero
drug dealer of the movie.
Emily: yeah, I was just noticing
this interesting connection between
these two movies and, like, these,
drug lords that are suddenly, like,
Redeemed themselves and I don't think
Kanga really redeems himself that much.
I mean, he's, he like, sacrifices
himself and like, okay, good.
You know, like, that's the least he
can do because of all the lives that
he's made shitty by, like, dealing
drugs and, you know, contributing
to gang warfare and stuff like that.
Aaron: That's so funny.
You see that?
Because I'm like, did he?
That's interesting.
I'm really literally thinking
about that now because I was just
like, all right, he knew he didn't
know how to stop that monster.
So why?
So he needed to make sure
that she got out to go do it.
So it's interesting that I could
see now having heard you say that,
that, yeah, he sacrificed himself.
But at the time I was just like,
all right, well, had he been the one
to leave?
Jeremy: that man definitely has a car.
He just could have gone, got in
the car and been like, yeah, I'm
gonna go to the emergency room,
get this shoulder looked at.
Y'all have fun with the
Ben: Yep.
Aaron: True.
Emily: And his whole thing about,
like, if there were more medical
clinics or whatever, like, that
was, that was diversion, like
that was hardcore diversion.
Like, you know, he was, he was being flip
and he was being clever, but he also,
you know, was making excuses, right?
Aaron: well that was also a double
down on the statement where again she
was blaming him for getting the drugs
to her father and he was basically
equivocated by saying well when I saw
him he looked like he was about to kill
himself so the drugs basically gave
you more time with him because at least
now he's just he just effed up but he's
still alive I was like I see your logic
there but you're still an asshole so
Emmmanuel: even that logic is wild.
It's like, if you think about it,
I did the right thing, actually.
Emily: Yeah.
Aaron: exactly I was just like
Ben: he sounds like a guy, he's a guy
who's had a lot of practice of being like,
Actually, it turns out that the right
thing is the thing that I wanted to do.
His grandmother
Emily: There's some, there's
some lawyering going on.
Where's this guy in the devil's advocate?
That's where I'm wondering.
Like,
Aaron: do you think we were
supposed to take from that?
Was that his mom or grandmother?
Emmmanuel: I think it's,
again, just complexity layers.
Ben: Yeah, I think it's think we're
supposed to take that like, He's
not, like, a good dude, but he is
also A dude who's like been also very
affected by this cheapening of life.
That seems to be, like, the defining,
like, poison of this community,
Emmmanuel: When life isn't cheap
for him, like, he's not willing
to kill out of anger, he's not
willing to kill senselessly.
He's like, no, I mean, my guy's still
alive, you're fine, you're still
gonna come work for me until I get
my drugs back, but like, I'm not
just gonna off you to prove a point.
Like.
Aaron: It's interesting because,
alright, so I, I grew up in, in projects
like that, well, until I was like 10.
the theory, the rationale is, alright,
there's all this other shit that
happens around you, there's all this
other stuff that goes on, to a point.
But you, what you don't do is let the
body stack up because then that just
draws too much attention from the outside.
So if you're a drug dealer, you really
don't want to have too many bodies
stack it up because then that'll
eventually come pouring back to you
and jack up your business model.
So when he was doing all that, I
was just like, all right, is he just
trying to protect his, uh, pipeline?
Or is this really like sentiment?
I could see it going both ways, but.
I was sort of just, I
was going back and forth.
I'm like, what, what are
his real motivators here?
And maybe it was a little bit
of both, I guess, to be honest,
Emmmanuel: I think that's fun.
I think that, that complexity of like
the, are you kind of a good person?
Or is this just, is the most logical
step for you, is, is the fun of it.
Like,
Aaron: I will.
Emily: mean,
Aaron: Okay, I will say I chuckled
though, when, you know, he was
going up against Jamal and he's
like, you heard what I said.
And I'm like, fool, he's like, 50
pounds heavier than you with a machete.
Ben: Right, he is trying to, like,
stand up to Jamal, and Jamal is, like,
a full head taller, so he got, like,
30 pounds of muscle, at least, on him.
Jeremy: He's really trying
to pull some alpha shit right
Aaron: yeah, I'm like, I don't know what
kind of power structure puts you all in
the spots that you were in, but I feel
like the guy with the machete wins.
Ben: Yeah, like, if a guy is already
way bigger and stronger than you,
and then he also has a machete
Emily: yeah,
Ben: Heh.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Ben: Heh.
You said, skill at choose.
Emily: yeah, get good, get good
Jeremy: Yeah.
So we then have, uh, she
she runs back to her house.
She discovers that her, monster brother
has killed her dad and has a good cry
about it Jamal shows up to, to fight her,
having sufficiently, uh, hatcheted his
boss and they, uh, you know, boss then,
like I said, shows back up to, to fight
about it again ultimately, you know,
Chris kills, Jamal and the other two, you
know, run away, Kango is like, alright,
what do we gotta do to kill this thing?
She's like, I'm gonna need two, two
pieces of equipment, one's in my lab,
and one is, you know, here in the house.
And, uh, sends him back out with
the, the monster to get the other
equipment and runs to her lab.
He, he makes it all the way to the
lab before getting snatched somehow.
He leaves the equipment behind,
but there's no sign of him.
Which I think is the other The other
argument for him being a hero in
this, because it's, it's rare that a
villain gets an, you know, off screen
bloodless death in a movie like this.
Emily: mm hmm.
Jeremy: but, uh, she gets everything
together and manages to take Chris out,
only to then discover that, in this
process, Chris has killed Aisha and,
you know, the other kid I believe the
other kid's name is Freeman in this
along with, Sequoia, her mom and the
only way to deal with this is to then
try to bring them all back to life
because they're, they're freshly killed.
it does work this time, and she
brings, she brings back Aisha and her
unborn baby who we find out his name
is Victor, um, which I just, that
felt like one too many for me at that
Emmmanuel: Again, didn't get it.
I'm like, that's not how, that's
not how you spell Vicaria.
Why would you name him Victor?
Completely missed the Frankenstein.
Ben: coming back with all that, like,
that to me, I'm like, is this baby
gonna go join the Dark Universe now?
He's like the Frankenstein baby, he's
gonna go team up with Tom Cruise's mummy.
Aaron: How could you tell he was alive?
Emmmanuel: He
Emily: Who's King?
Aaron: Oh, I was like,
Ben: what I assumed.
Aaron: I, I, I feel like I would probably
assume that the gazillion joules of
electricity going through my body may
have a little something to do with that as
well, but you know, I feel like it was a
strange day, so maybe anything's possible.
Emily: Yeah,
Emmmanuel: had the plot detail
earlier where she had to pee
and she talked about how he was
like tap dancing on her bladder.
So like, the baby's been moving.
Like, I think she knows
what that feels like.
Emily: and like,
Aaron: you were dead, and now you're
not, and you're lying on a table.
I still feel like there's all
types of possibilities of what
could be going on in her, you
know, inside her at that point, but
Emily: yeah, I mean, I think at
this point we just need, we need to
like, I mean, the movie needs us to
Aaron: Just
Emily: the narrative,
Ben: I'm sure that kid isn't
gonna wind up being some sort
of Frankenstein Blade hybrid.
Emily: I mean, if I'll watch that movie.
Jeremy: Bladenstein.
Can
Emily: Blade and
Ben: Yeah!
Jeremy: you team up with the zombie,
the zombie baby from Dawn of the Dead?
Aaron: Oh
Emmmanuel: would love to see like a
toddler in like a cut off leather duster.
Like,
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: Yeah.
Emily: bolts.
Jeremy: The motherfucker
just got a toddle uphill.
Emily: So, the, yeah, the, and
also that she did the It's Alive
Emmmanuel: yes.
Emily: bit, which I kind of love that.
I kind of love the Victor, and I
kind of love the It's Alive thing.
I thought, because I'm like,
you should say it, just say it.
And they did, and I'm
like, okay, thank you.
And it was at the end of the movie,
and it didn't feel cheesy, you know.
It,
Jeremy: the direct Frankenstein
references were coming a little hot
and heavy at the end of the movie,
Emily: Yeah,
I
Ben: I
Emily: that,
was the best time for it
Ben: that they keep flashing
to her notebook that literally
says the modern Prometheus.
Emily: yeah, yeah, which,
I mean, I like the idea.
I think it's a really cool idea
and I think that the movie had a
really cool idea and I thought it
was like, just be literal with it.
Don't, don't fuck around.
Just be like, I thought that was fine.
The, the parts that bothered me
other than creepy overacting girl.
Were that just like the Marilyn Manson
video like new metal video editing like
I was I felt like that was a little
Much because there was so much cool
shit going on around that they didn't
need like Editing jump scares like you
Emmmanuel: I felt like, sorry go
Emily: though you go you go
Emmmanuel: no I just, I felt like
it was kind of by necessity, like
I bet if you linger on Chris, or
you linger on the equipment, it all
starts to look a little goofy, and
so, you're like, hey, let's kind of
keep a soft focus, jump cut, kind of.
That
Emily: I just felt like there would be a
better way Like it wouldn't take me out
as much if it wasn't like, you know, get
scared get scared jump cut kind of thing
but Because that, like, a lot of the,
the, when they would cut to, like, the
gore, I thought that was really effective,
like, because it was so amorphous and
gross and, like, when he smashed that
cop's head and it became, like, jelly,
and I was like, damn, they really,
Ben: skimp on the, like, the gore at all.
Emily: yeah,
Emmmanuel: having a bad day.
Emily: yeah, I mean, that was his last
day,
Jeremy: effect that it has when
Chris touches people, like the scars
that Vicaria gets on her arm, and
Emily: of like
Jeremy: show up later.
Yeah, it's like, it's like
weird burns from his hands
Ben: There's,
Jeremy: his baseball mitts.
I
Ben: there's one scene.
I really want to talk about and get
everyone's opinions on it because I
thought it was a really interesting one.
And it was when they're having their
family dinner and the cops come and Chad
Coleman just like barricades the door.
Aaron: huh.
Yeah, that had, there was layers to that.
Because I guess, you know, they're banging
the door down, they're trying to get in,
they, they, you know, I guess if you, not
to like call upon any attorneys here, But,
you know, I think the, I think the point
that was trying to be made there was, you
know, this being treated like subhumans
and being wrangled up like cattle and,
you know, and there's no expectation
that your rights are going to be.
You know, you're right.
You're going to be preserved, but at the
same time, there's the exact expectation
that they're going to bash ahead.
And if you let that if you open
that door and let them in, they're
going to take every opportunity
to, you know, so it's sort of just
like, all right, well, if we can.
We can avoid, we can show that we know
what's what, and we can avoid opening
the door to let them in because I,
my assumption was they knew that the
minute they quote unquote let them
in, then, you know, has half of their
rights out the door right there.
And so that that's, you
know, it was sort of.
Reinforcing in my head that reinforced
because you remember when they're
sitting there having like a nice little
family, you know, dinner that reinforced
where they actually are, you know, in
the world and where this is happening.
It also.
In my mind, to be 100 percent honest
with you, was making the point Because
your first thought would be, alright,
there's things murdering people,
why don't you just call the police?
Well, that's why we're
not calling the police.
You know?
Ben: I, I, I do have to admit that
question never even occurs to me.
At no point did I watch this
movie was I like, maybe they
should get the police involved.
Like, even beyond knowing that they're
useless in every horror movie, I'm like.
Don't fucking involve
the
Emily: the, the, just the fact that
this movie starts with two of her
relatives dying and she has to, like,
become a mad scientist in order to
deal with it, you know, justice is
not working, you know, the justice
system has failed from the start.
Aaron: Well, I guess I was trying to
piece all the parts together when Aisha
was just like, I wish we could find out
who took the body, and when they were
talking about all the body snatchers,
and all the bodies that are disappearing,
and my thought was, well, wow.
I guess this is where you would say,
alright, Are the police on this?
But then we all know that, you know,
as long as their bodies from that
environment, from that neighborhood, the
police really don't care what happens.
So, you know, it was all just
sort of doubling down on, on,
they are not a resource of
support for anyone in this film.
And here's why.
Emily: The only time that they do
anything is when a cop gets killed.
Ben: Yep.
Emily: I mean, they're cops.
And they start as cuffs, but they
certainly, like, turn their attitude
once they catch the monster.
You know, at first they're
like, sir, are you feeling okay?
And then they, you know, immediately
are like, we're gonna kill you.
Essentially, but then, you know, the,
how the, how the turns have tabled.
Aaron: Now, was the other cop
sitting there while the first cop
was getting his face bashed in
and just like not doing anything?
Because I felt like he
was being pretty inactive,
Emily: I think he was doing some
shooting, and then he was running
away, because, yeah, because
the shooting was not working.
That's at least what I remember, but you
know, that whole scene, I don't remember
Ben: We've tried bullets
and we're all out of ideas.
Emily: I, the main thing I remember
from that scene is like the
jellied head of that cop, so I
don't remember much around that.
I'm actually curious as to how everybody
feels about the, the decision that this is
sort of a nod, like, mainly a nod to the
film version of the Frankenstein monster.
Because in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein,
the monster was very articulate.
And had needs and wants and desires and
had, like, you know, all of his poetry
that he was doing and, you know, making
the fact that I feel like that was.
Sort of balanced out by the fact that
she made, she, she brought her, uh, aunt
back to life and all that kind of stuff,
or her, her sister in law, sister in law.
And, uh, you know, she brought all
of them back to life and they were
immediately, like, back to normal.
But how do we feel about the
decision to be, for the monster
to be inarticulate and kind of
childlike in that, in its in its way?
Ben: I mean, real It feels realistic
scientifically, which, Again, applying
any kind of scientific realism to this
is foolish, But in the sense where it's
just like, Yeah, you had that fucking
brain just lying there for however long.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: They, somewhere between,
like, zero, somewhere between one
and nine months, I'm gonna say.
Emily: Yes.
Ben: so, you know, I'm not, I'm not
surprised that, like, like you said,
it's like, the moral of the story
isn't don't play God, it's like, you
know, don't do science on stuff that
you left in the sun for a while, for
like, the, the scientific equivalent
of mayonnaise left out in the sun.
Emmmanuel: Have there been movies that did
the articulate, poetic feeling monster?
Okay.
Jeremy: mean,
Emily: was the Robert De Niro.
Yeah, where Robert De
Niro played the monster.
Ben: Yeah, Penny Dre Penny
Dreadful definitely went that rote.
Rote?
That's not a word.
Route.
Yeah, definitely.
At least like, in the, when they did the
Royal Shakespeare, uh, play with, Benedict
Cumberbatch and Johnny Lee Miller.
That He was still a monster,
but he was eloquent as fuck.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah, I think, like, for me, I
feel like this was the way to do it, just
because otherwise you would have them,
like Because they seem to have made the
decision that this is Chris, like, that
this is her brother, he recognizes things,
uh, so, like, you can't have the sort of,
like, Oh, he's like a toddler learning
new things, you know, excited to meet
people and learn things and, and stuff.
You know, you can't have the blind
old man scene with him in here.
But, like, I think that ultimately doing
it that way is, is what makes sense.
And, you know, it is sort of, it does
mirror the book in a lot of ways as
well, of just sort of the way, and I,
you know, this happens in the movie to
some extent too, the sort of like, way
that she is immediately frightened by,
you know, What he can do and is then
like, you know what I'm just not going
to see him at all I'm just gonna lock
him inside this thing and then leave him
there and I'm sure that'll sort itself out
Emily: Yeah, I, well, I think,
especially since considering what we
were talking about earlier with her,
basically telling him to break stuff or
defend her and things like that, I just
felt like there was a little bit of.
I mean, I don't know where,
where that decision stands
in the message of the movie.
Because he's not a monster.
Like, the idea is that he wasn't
a monster unless he was told he
was a monster, but she also kind
of told him he was a monster.
And, you know, that's, that's
also what, you know, the, the
happens in the book where Dr.
Frankenstein makes a monster and then
is afraid of it, even though it is
You know, articulate, and it's not
being like, I'm gonna punch, you know,
whatever, but that's, you know, that's
a quote from the, from the book.
Emmmanuel: And some of the poetry,
Emily: some of the poetry that he does.
Yeah, but, that's where I, why I
was curious because, like, do we
need him to be, like, we don't
need him to be childlike, but do
we need him to be inarticulate?
Do we need to make a point
of him learning how to speak?
You know, if she's trying to make
a point of like, well, he's not
a monster because I don't know.
I felt like the pacing of that
message was a little confusing to me.
Emmmanuel: I feel like that's too
difficult a story to tell in two hours
if your monster can reason with you.
And
Jeremy: I Feel like this this is it's
sort of symptomatic of the problem
that I do have with this movie Which
is that it doesn't seem to have made
the decision whether it wants to do A
strictly, sometimes magical realism,
uh, straight adaptation of Frankenstein,
just in a different setting, or whether
it wants to do a Frankenstein story you
know, with this, this character in this
setting, because it does, like, alternate
between this really, like, hard shot,
incredibly, like, serious, you know,
gangland stuff and, like, the not quite
science, uh, somewhat magical aspects of
the, you know, the Frankenstein stuff.
It goes back and forth between
being a very realistic crime
drama and a gothic horror.
And it doesn't quite nail down
where it wants to be on that scale.
Emily: Yeah.
Because I see a few of the, the movie
is very loud about certain messages.
And I feel like the whole situation
with the, the freshness versus the non
freshness of the, of the resurrection
has to do with grudges and I don't
know, like, there's something there.
I feel like there's something there
to do with fuming on this idea for
a long time and not changing anything
or not doing anything immediately.
I feel like there's
something there, there,
Ben: I'm not, part of what I struggle
with with the ending is like, I'm not
sure if it's trying to say something, if
it's world building, or if it's just like,
trying to have its cake and eat it too by
delivering us like, this really shocking
moment, but then not committing to it
and still giving us a clear happy ending.
So I'm not
Jeremy: I
Ben: sure,
Jeremy: there's, there's something to
this sort of, like, the message being,
you know, the freshness is a little, like,
literal but it being, like, a question
of, like, There are, there are people you
can save, there are things you can change,
there are things you can fix, but you
can't fix those while you're still trying
to fix this thing that's already done.
Like
Ben: you think she brings Kengo back
or does she just, she just leaves him
Emily: I don't think she brings
Kango back, let's be real.
Ben: Yeah.
Aaron: I was kind of wondering, I'm like,
why didn't she go for her dad first?
Because that was my first thought,
but I, I mean, yeah, I was like,
why didn't you go for your dad?
I'm like,
I don't
Emmmanuel: it's a question of freshness.
You don't know where that threshold
is, with the freshest 'cause otherwise
you end up with Chris all over again
except a hundred pounds heavier.
Like,
Ben: Yeah, now he's Chad Coleman's
Frankenstein, and that's way worse.
Chad Coleman will fuck you up
even without being a Frankenstein.
Aaron: if she's asking, I
need you to tell me your name.
I'm like, what, what
is happening right now?
I was like, what?
She's like, no, no, no, I really
need to hear your full name, please.
I'm like, I guess there really is no
Ben: birth, and social security number.
Aaron: Yeah, I was like, I guess
there really isn't any etiquette to
expectations when you resurrect someone.
I suppose you make it up as you go along.
Emily: Well, you don't want to
ask them who the president is
Aaron: Yeah.
Yeah.
Emily: something that I want to
think about if I come back to life.
Aaron: an intro.
Jeremy: you have to ask them to
do your secret handshake, you
know, that's, that's the real
Emmmanuel: and also it's Aisha.
She might tell you like secretly there's
a black president underground that.
Aaron: Yes.
Ha ha ha ha
Emily: being repressed by the, well,
I don't know if she's that, she's
not reptilians eating her babies.
I don't think so.
She didn't seem like that to me.
Emmmanuel: That's how they get you.
Emily: that's, I mean, I, you
know, that is true, like, there's,
you know, there are levels.
But,
Jeremy: She's a midauts Kanye West
song, like, it's just, you don't know,
you don't know where it's gonna land.
Emily: yeah.
Ben: now, a lot of jokes are running
through my head, and I'm just like,
maybe let's not, maybe let's just leave
all of them on the cutting room floor.
Emily: Now I'm curious.
Emmmanuel: I don't know, Ben.
The whole lesson was
strike while it's fresh.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Straight quotes first.
Uh, I'm real worried about how much
Black Israelite material is gonna
show up in her Google searches.
Jeremy: I don't think she uses Google.
Ben: Bing
Emily: she seems
Emmmanuel: man search engine.
Jeremy: She has a search
engine I've never heard of.
She's She's,
Emmmanuel: only use Bloogle.
Aaron: she's not a duck
duck go person, is that
Ben: If it's not on the
dark web, she's not there.
I
Emily: definitely using Signal.
Like, do we, do we agree?
That, you know, all,
no tracking whatsoever.
Jeremy: yeah, she's, she's also
an expert in Linux, you know,
Emily: Yeah.
Aaron: I wonder if she's like,
I gotta bring Aisha back because
who's gonna do my hair otherwise?
Emily: I feel like Ayesha's
Emmmanuel: get to the real issue.
These
Aaron: think,
Emily: yeah.
Aaron: edging!
Exactly!
He's like, I have to make
choices for my future.
Jeremy: You know how hard it is to find a
new, uh, hairstylist when your brother has
come back to life and murdered everybody?
Aaron: when you can just, when you can
just sit on the porch and get it done?
Yeah, I,
Emmmanuel: And all I gotta play
is for some science homework help?
Like, that's cheap.
Aaron: yep.
Do some bio homework and I'm good to go.
Ben: did love that sentence.
Like, that really did hammer home
where it's like, this sense of larger
community outside the immediate family.
I did appreciate.
I did appreciate.
I did I appreciated that she
had those extra connections.
Like, even when it's, like, that little
kid that is at first, like, you know,
just hitting her with the water gun
and then she watches, like, die and
come back to life and then die again.
Emily: Her whole sequence with that,
Ben: That was haunting.
Emily: yeah, where she was like,
shooting him and she's like, you know,
this is what happens when you die,
I thought that was really well done.
Like, that was fucking
Ben: Oh, but no, that, like, what fucked
me up is when she's just looking him in
the eye after he's been shot and, like,
and the defibrillator does bring him
back for, like, fucking ten seconds.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Oh,
Emily: then he smiles
Ben: that, you got that heavy like
heartbeat in the background, and then
it just stops, like, That, that fucked
me up, that scene, in a good way,
Emily: I mean, in a way
that was on purpose, yeah.
Ben: yeah.
Aaron: I'll be honest, when I
was watching that scene, I was
like, is he already breathing?
Are they just doing this out of fun?
What's happening?
It was just like, is he alive already?
Why
Emmmanuel: I had that exact thought.
I've had AED training.
I'm like, if you're breathing, I don't
think you're supposed to defibrillate.
Like, I think
Aaron: I really was, I was like,
I was like, pause, rewind, I'm
like, I feel like he's breathing.
He's looking right at her.
Why are they shocking his, why
are they shocking him right now?
This is for like, hicks.
Ben: we just got this new
defibrillator, we wanna see if it works!
Emily: Yeah.
It's
Aaron: like, oh, he'll
be dead soon enough.
Let's just see what happens.
Emmmanuel: Well, and it's also
the same thought that I had
with, Ikaria bringing folks back.
It's like, okay, you can defibrillate him.
He's been shot.
Like, you haven't Even
stop the bleeding wound,
Ben: Yeah, right?
It's
Emmmanuel: to them to kill them,
you brought 'em back, but like
whatever physical trauma they've
experienced hasn't been like
Aaron: yeah.
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: think about that,
I'm like,
Jeremy: I mean, for Kris, she does,
she does do a lot of getting in
there and digging some stuff around,
I mean, I assume she Repaired some
damage and sewed some things up and
sewed some other things together.
There's a lot of, there's
a lot of sewing going
Ben: I mean, they're doing They're
practically doing I have less problems
with what, uh, with what she's doing,
more with these paramedics, who
are essentially doing the Red vs.
Blue joke of like, he's been
shot in the head, quick, do CPR.
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: Like, even if you get that
electricity, that heart pumping,
like, like you said, there's still
the same amount of bullets inside him.
Emmmanuel: right?
You're just making the
blood splitt out faster.
Emily: exactly, exactly,
Ben: If anything, you just
electrocuted the bullet!
Aaron: And now the bullet's
just gonna burn through.
Ben: Yeah!
Emily: Maybe that's what they're, they're
just trying to burn the bullet out?
Aaron: Yeesh.
Emily: it's the same, the same
level of medical science that
this whole movie is based on, so,
Ben: True.
Aaron: And where did she
get Chris's outfit from?
I'm sorry, I just had this
random, pre associated
Emmmanuel: raw stress for less
Aaron: I was like, where
did she get that outfit?
I
Ben: she, she took it off de that's
what she took off dead mannequins.
Aaron: oh, okay.
I was
Emily: Dead mannequins?
Jeremy: mean, that's
definitely from that store in
Emmmanuel: The
implication of the phrase dead
mannequins is hilarious and terrifying.
Emily: mannequins that they
use for dead people clothes?
Emmmanuel: I read it as the
mannequins that aren't alive anymore.
You know, like the live mannequins?
Emily: yeah, well,
Ben: not the inanimate mannequins,
but the ones who were once
alive and now no longer are.
Emily: Well, these are the
mannequins during the daytime
because at the nighttime they come
alive like in today's special.
That's a
Emmmanuel: I thought, like,
Night at the Museum rules.
Ben: Yeah, that's what
I was thinking, yeah.
Emily: that's I mean,
I'm making a reference to
Ben: Or Night of the Museum 2.
Emily: From like last week we
talked about Sharon Lois and Bram
and now it's today's special.
So,
Emmmanuel: What's today's special?
Emily: It's a tv show from Nick Jr
Emmmanuel: I mean, I
watched We Stole Cable.
I watched a little bit of Nick Jr.
I don't remember today's special.
Aaron: it.
Ben: Yeah, no, I was too busy being a
cool kid watching Invader Zim and Kablam!
Emmmanuel: I remember
singing Skin of a Rake.
I don't remember today's special.
Emily: Today's special was
very early in the morning.
That one was, uh, there was a
mannequin that came to life,
and there was a puppet mouse,
Ben: Oh, no way that
Emmmanuel: Cove situation?
Like where only you remember it?
Ben: If I'm getting up at 6am
to watch cartoons, that shit is
either Pokemon or Beast Wars.
Emily: they
Emmmanuel: I know it was Ronin Warriors.
Ben: Oh, hell yeah, Ronin Warriors.
Emily: you don't even get me started
on all the fuckin Geocities websites
I had based on Run on Warriors and
all the shipping that I did with
Emmmanuel: That sentence is so wild.
Emily: no comment.
Jeremy: the most Emily sentence.
I, I did nothing about it shocked me.
Ben: Oh yeah, that's a Hall
of Fame, like, Emily sentence.
Aaron: you young kids who
had the interwebs when, when
you were watching cartoons.
I don't know what that's about.
Emily: didn't have the
internet when I was watching
Ben: no, not, no, I would like miss
episodes of Digimon to be like,
Welp, I guess I missed it forever.
Hope nothing too story important happened.
Jeremy: We, we established last
week that I was the poor kid on the
podcast that didn't have Nickelodeon.
It was like, I don't know
what any of these shows are.
I didn't have Nickelodeon.
Ben: I remember being
in Hebrew school.
Missing a whole Saturday's Mornings
worth of cartoons, just thinking like,
Man, how cool would it be if there
was some sort of crazy science fiction
device that let you watch any episode
of any show you wanted, wherever you
were, and you could pause it, and
Emmmanuel: think you're describing
VCR, like programmable VCR is
what that was.
Emily: yeah, we
Ben: Yeah, well really, at least
smartphones that I could watch it
instead of being at Hebrew school.
Jeremy: My, my, uh, Alicia and the kids
are watching the last season of Gilmore
Girls right now, and somebody picked up a
remote and it made the TiVo noise, and I
was like, oh my god, is that, that's when
this is, that dates it to like six months
of like when this could have been, they
just picked it up and it was like, doot
doot, doot doot, and I was like, Whoa.
Emmmanuel: I don't think
I've ever heard a TiVo.
Emily: Yeah, I don't
Aaron: I, I, I, I had way too
Emmmanuel: I knew people that have
them, but if you don't have cable,
there's no reason to have a TiVo.
Aaron: I had way too many Tivos.
Way too
Emmmanuel: What's the value
of more than one TiVo?
Aaron: Same reason why I have
multi DVRs in my room right now.
If I don't feel like finishing it
in that room, I'm going to finish
it in my bedroom or finish it in
Emmmanuel: When you said in
Ben: how, how else Look, how
else was I supposed to record
episodes of 24 and Heroes?
Emmmanuel: Oh man, Heroes.
What an awful piece of
garbage that I loved so much.
Emily: I mean the
beginning the first season.
Ben: Oh,
Jeremy: That is,
here was this very
Emmmanuel: webcomic on
this, like, on the website.
Ben: Oh yeah, oh man, I'm
right there with you again.
The golden age of the ARG games.
Aw, what a fuckin fall
what a fuckin drop off.
Jeremy: alright so, yes, this
movie did talk about race.
I feel like, I feel like
that's a gimme on this one.
I feel like it had a lot to say about
race and class, and I think it's most of
what we've talked about to this point.
I
Ben: I mean, uh, uh, this movie had
a lot to say about race and class,
Emily: it sure
Emmmanuel: Thanks to Aisha.
Emily: The
Ben: I mean, Kango, the
teacher,
Emily: I told Brett that this
movie was called an angry
black girl and her monster.
He's like What?
That's what it's called?
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, and
he's like, well, it better have
what it's, or it better do, okay,
let me start that joke over, it
better do what it says on the tin,
and,
Ben: it
had an angry black girl, and
it very much had her monster.
Emily: yeah,
Ben: I mean,
Emily: she was angry,
Ben: When I read the description
of this movie, I'm like, I'm either
gonna love this movie, or I'm gonna
be heartbroken to have not liked it.
And fortunately, I really
did love this movie.
Emmmanuel: It was fun.
Emily: yeah, it was a fun movie,
Ben: A big believer in
women's wrongs in this movie.
Jeremy: mean,
Aaron: more drama than
horror.
Jeremy: did we feel like it was feminist?
Emily: I think
Ben: I mean, in that, but again, between
Aisha, between, uh, Vakari and Aisha,
it had some, like, absolutely wonderful
three dimensional, uh, women characters,
including, like, our main character, who
Again, got, you know, got to be just such
a rich, complex character, but I don't
think the themes of the movie were, like,
explicitly exploring feminist issues.
Emily: no, no, I think it was more about
Jeremy: I mean, having a main
character who is a, you know, female
scientist, like, is, is a, uh,
a
genius female scientist in it is,
is feminist in its own right, but
Ben: it's a political, like, it's
absolutely a political statement,
like, just in and of itself, for sure.
It's got,
it's,
Emily: Jada,
Ben: great
Emily: Aisha, yeah.
And like, having all the even
though, you know, Jada is really
Ben: not sure
Emily: a spooky girl.
Ben: I'm not sure how three dimensional
Jada was if her just, like, I'm gonna
be the creepiest motherfucker in this
Aaron: Yeah.
Emily: had, she had at least
Jeremy: her teeth were
very three dimensional.
Ben: when she's just, when she's just
showing up, like, with, like, her
face covered in blood, just like,
dead, like, dead eyes, dead ass,
going like, Well, bring them back!
Aaron: I legitimately thought
she'd murdered her own family.
I don't know why.
I was just like, I feel like
she has just murdered everyone.
Jeremy: Look what Chris
taught me how to do!
Ben: you can't convince
me that she didn't.
Aaron: True.
I was certain of it.
I was like, has she just
been watching her career?
And just like, all right, I
killed them because I wanted to
see you, you bring them all back.
And then
Emmmanuel: I learned it from you.
Aaron: I'm like, waiting for him to turn
to Chris and Chris is like, wasn't me.
I don't know.
Like, I don't know.
Emily: Yeah, that was off, off camera.
His like, massacre of everybody was,
Ben: That's, that's canon
as far as I'm concerned.
Emily: yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah, he was just
in the corner like, A, B, C,
Emily: We'll switch!
Let's switch today!
You do the killing, I'll study
Ben: what a moment that In the moment,
watching it was really creepy, but
as soon as I kind of take a step back
and really think about it, it's the
silliest fucking shit in the whole movie.
This monster just singing
the ABCs through the wall.
Like,
Emmmanuel: for cookie.
Jeremy: cookie, cookie, starts with C.
Emily: I think I've
Jeremy: It's in his vocal
Emily: version.
yeah,
Jeremy: yeah, I think it's sort of
interesting, because I was going to ask
about the LGBTQIA Plots and people and
themes and it's not really a thing in this
movie, but also like notably For a movie
with a teenage feel female main character.
There is no romance subplot whatsoever
Which is nice in its own, right?
Emily: I mean, I don't think that really
counts as anything addressing LGBTQIA,
but like, just because this movie
would not have time for that anyway.
Like,
Jeremy: I mean plenty of movies that
shouldn't Have made time for that.
Emily: that's true.
But I mean, I
Ben: they slash them.
Aaron: I mean, maybe Chris and Jamal
could have kissed right before he
put the machete through his face
or something, and I don't know.
Ben: Oh, I would
have loved, I would
have,
Emily: sense, like in terms
of their whole dynamic.
Jeremy: you said they slash them and I
saw Emily's ghost come out of her, like.
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: a movie that shouldn't have spent
any time on queer issues, so, pretty
much, it shouldn't have existed,
which is not a thing I
say about many movies, but
Emily: Dimension Evasion,
I try to actively forget
Ben: I would have loved for this movie
to just take, like, a sharp left turn
into moonlight territory, and then
just turn right back into machete land.
Emily: I still, like, as fun
as that would be, to be real,
Ben: I'm not saying it would make
the movie better, but it'd be,
it'd be something that I could've
gone into this episode being
like, Hey, that was fuckin wild!
Emily: yeah, but,
Jeremy: we get to the sequel, you
know, The Bride of Vicaria, it'll be,
Emily: oh, I love that.
Yeah, let's do that.
Let's do that.
I kind of, I'm kind of
here for that, actually.
Like, honestly, this movie did really,
like, teeter a lot on that line
of, like, just silly, goofy horror,
and actually serious messaging.
Which, I think, it was difficult
for me to follow that way in terms
of the mood and the atmosphere.
So I don't know if anything else could
have been really, like, properly tackled.
Jeremy: Yeah, it's sort of a, like,
it's not, it's not necessarily a problem
except for that you don't know what's
possible in the movie at any point.
Like, you don't know where it can
and can't go because the rules
are not very clearly established.
And you don't know, like, what the
mood even is from, from scene to scene
necessarily, whether, like, uh, you know,
somebody will, will die of this, this
monster just putting his hands on their
throat and not, not particularly choking
them, but, you know, touching them.
Yeah, we, we lose a
whole family off screen.
We don't really know how that happens.
Emily: I mean, if she had a
girlfriend, like, if she had a
girlfriend, maybe or if they said,
you
Jeremy: been less of a creepy loner type.
Emily: it's true.
Aaron: I mean, they did have the
three girls that got to whoop
her ass, so maybe they, uh,
you know, played a
Ben: Oh yeah, Kango's just fuckin
like, Kango's angels who just
show up for like one scene.
Aaron: Hey, that might actually
be a feminist aspect as well.
Emily: yeah.
Aaron: Like, he outsourced.
Yeah, I
Jeremy: I don't believe in beating
women, so I hired some women to do it for
Aaron: somewhat, yes.
Ben: he, he is an equal opportunity
hench, henchperson employer.
Emily: Yeah, like, I'm down with lady
henchmen, hench, henchwomen, hench them.
Jeremy: There was a little
unsettling to me how they just
popped up out of thin air.
They were just
Emmmanuel: Do they speak?
They don't speak at all, do
Emily: I think one of
them says, says something.
Aaron: soon as she backed up and spun
around and saw them there, I was like,
oh, they're there to kick your ass.
You know that.
I was like, they're absolutely there
to whoop your ass, cause there's
no
Emmmanuel: she got off kind of light.
Like, she had just like, a black eye.
I've never been jumped by three people
that I remember, but like, I don't
feel like I would get off that light.
Aaron: she knew what was coming.
Ben: I feel like it's, And it was what
made Kahn go, even early on, like,
not a good character, but certainly,
like, an interesting character with
more going on, and that, like, I did
get the sense that he could, he did
consider her part of his community,
and was thus, like, more reluctant to,
Jeremy: Well, he did seem to feel
Emmmanuel: Mr.
Rogers, these are the
people in your neighborhood.
Ben: yeah, where he's got, yeah, where,
like, there's this sense of, like, Like,
you know, I may be doing, like, I'd
like to keep like my, I like, I still
consider this and the people here like
my house and I like to keep my house like
Aaron: I agree with that.
I mean, even the way that when she
was breaking into the car, and this is
something that's so nuanced, the way
that Curtis called her out by name, like
he was shot, like he had the gun up.
then he realized it was her,
and he's just like, Vicaria?
And he put his, put the gun down, and he
put the gun back up when he saw, you know,
crazy monster guy sitting over there, but
I feel like it's one of those scenarios
where, had she not stolen his shit, and
been seen running from the scene of the
crime of one of his folks, he, you know,
I suspect prior to that, he had, you know,
he was one of those folks that, Looked
out for the kids, you know, which, yeah,
makes it a more complex character, but
still, he is an asshole who's selling
drugs to people in the street and
beating them up with, you know, hiring
Emmmanuel: I didn't know if that was
Ben: Yeah.
Still
Emmmanuel: twisted regret for Chris
either, because didn't he express
some like, I shouldn't have sent
Aaron: I shouldn't have sent
him down, yeah, I shouldn't have
sent him down and they killed all
Emmmanuel: So is this like his way of
not making it right, but like, I'm not
going to wrap his sister up in this, or
I'm not going to like, kill his sister
in addition to getting him killed.
Aaron: Yeah.
Emily: Well, he didn't really show any
remorse about Chris until, like, all
these people died because Chris was
brought back as a Frankenstein monster.
Aaron: Well, actually, basically,
until Chris was about to bust
that door in and choke him out,
but, you know, there was that.
Emmmanuel: I mean, I'd
have some regrets then
Aaron: Yeah.
I'd be like, we wouldn't be here
if I
hadn't sent the man to his death.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Uh, so, guys, do we
recommend this one to people?
Emmmanuel: Yeah, it's worth your time.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: definitely.
Emily: Definitely want
to watch it again, too.
Like, I think that there's a few elements
that I would want to, like, look at it
again now that I know what I'm in for.
And, you know, now that I'll, I'll
be used to that sort of rollercoaster
of vibes in terms of, serious versus,
like, crazy, gory, horror movie.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Yeah, I definitely recommend it too.
Like, I don't, I mean, I hate when people
say, Oh, it's not a perfect movie, but,
like, I feel like it, you know, it's
obviously made on a pretty small budget.
I feel like it maybe could've He used
one more draft in the editing stages,
but like, it's still like, it's really
solid, and like, the cast is incredible,
like, for a movie of this obvious budget,
like, they, they really nailed the cast,
Aaron: Yeah.
Jeremy: and she's great, Chad Coleman is
great, uh, Denzel Whitaker, I mean, he's,
I haven't seen him in too much recently,
but, you know, he's in Great Debaters,
that guy's, he's, That guy was good.
Ben: Oh yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah well that said, is there
anything we would, uh, recommend
for people coming off of this?
Emily, did you have anything?
Emily: I mean, I was gonna, recall the
first Purge because of the, the through
line of the drug dealer becoming the hero.
Well, maybe not the hero,
but the redeeming himself.
But the other thing I'm, I'm also
going to, I think I recommended this
a couple weeks ago, but I'm going to
say it again, is The Curse, which is
the A24 show that's on Hulu right now
about, it's like the, it's this sort
of deadpan comedy about this white
couple trying to Essentially gentrify a
neighborhood in New Mexico through like
affordable housing and like sustainable
housing and it's just a disaster and
they have no idea what they're doing.
And you know, I'll watch a show about
a reality show that's mortifying.
but it's pretty funny.
uh, and also has some of the
best kid actors I've seen.
Really great, like, just, I don't
understand how so many kid actors, like,
kid roles are written when there's so
many people out there that I'm sure have
kids and only this, it took this long for
them to have these kids talk about Roblox
in order to be, like, convincing kids.
Like, I've never seen kids
talk about Roblox in any other
Aaron: Yeah.
Ben: I'm gonna say young Colin
Robinson on what we do in the shadows.
Emily: But that, I
Ben: he's still played
by a man in his late 40s.
Emily: yeah, like, well, Colin
Robinson by himself, I don't think
he's supposed to represent a, uh,
a child, like an everyday child.
But,
Ben: Are you saying everyday
children aren't meant to have the
face of 45 year old Marc Roche?
Emily: yeah, actually, like, I mean, if
they do and they can't help it, then,
you know, we could deal with that.
It's fine.
As long as they're not,
like, psychic vampires.
And
Jeremy: psychic vampires.
Emily: I mean,
on
purpose.
Jeremy: Ben, did you have any, uh,
Ben: Uh, yes, if you aren't So I'm not
exactly sure where you can find it,
but hopefully it's available somewhere.
If you can find one of the recordings
the videos they put out of the Royal
London Theatre production of Shakespeare
specifically with Benedict Cumberbatch
as the monster and Johnny Lee Miller
as Victor Frankenstein it You know, I
was very lucky enough to see it when
it was performed, when it was, like,
being performed, when I had to be in
London, and then I watched it again when
they put a video out of it in 2020, and
it was just as good as I remembered.
It is, no joke, the best play
I've ever seen in my entire life.
Emily: nice.
Jeremy: Fantastic.
Emmanuel, did you have anything
you wanted to recommend?
Emmmanuel: Yeah, I, I came with two
recs this time because I got scooped
last time, uh, but they clone Tyrone,
I think does the person gets killed
and is brought back thing really well.
It's a lot of fun.
I think it does a lot of the
humor that this movie does.
I mean, it's, it's Jamie Foxx, it's
John Boyega, like, it's, it's good,
it's fun, it's worth your time.
So yeah, they clone Tyrone.
Jeremy: Fantastic.
Aaron, what did you have?
Aaron: going old school because
I, like I said off air, I'm not
a big, I've never been a big
horror person, but you know what?
Let's throw some young Frankenstein
with Gene Wilder in there because
I really just like that movie.
Jeremy: Yeah.
yeah, that's, that's a good one.
Emily: Frankenstein.
Jeremy: For me, I, uh, I was all prepared.
I, uh, earlier this week sat
down to read a, a graphic novel.
I was just gonna read like a
chapter or two of it, and then.
come back to it later.
And then, uh, at one 30 in the
morning, I had finished all of
Laura Dean keeps breaking up with
me, uh, which is a fantastic book.
If you
Ben: Amazing book.
Oh, so
Jeremy: Yeah.
It's just like one of those that I was
like, I started reading it and I was like,
well, I guess I'm reading all of this now.
so, so well written and
engaging and characters voices.
So good.
Yeah, uh, that's a great book.
but also, I just wanted to, uh, you know,
by the time this comes up, it'll have
been a couple months ago now, but Andre
Brouwer just passed away last night, and,
Ben: Ugh.
Jeremy: you know, he's a really, really
fantastic actor, like, really was one
of those guys that, like, no matter
what he was doing, brought his A game,
made stuff his own, um, really did it.
You know, amazing work.
Obviously, people have watched
Brooklyn Nine Nine, like, he's
just a standout in that show.
He does his own, like his, I feel
like his own style of comedy,
like something nobody, nobody
else can quite do the way he did.
it's really amazing.
Uh, he was also in the last season of,
The Good Fight, which was just Just came
out this last year in 2022 which is, is
overall worth a watch as a show, but in
particular, like, his season, he plays
a character named Rashard Lane, who is,
uh, sort of a new partner in the law
firm, who is, like, really interesting.
He's a really interesting character
that throughout the whole thing, you're
just like, what is this dude's deal?
Like, the whole time, you, you don't
know what to make of him, and I think You
know, that's, that's something that Andre
Brouwer was really good at is just like
presenting a character that you're like,
not immediately like, Oh, I know what
this guy's deal is, but then, you know,
several episodes and you're just like,
no, but like, what is this dude's deal?
Like, I really like,
Oh, it's so interesting.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: so yeah, it's, it's, he's, he
was a really great actor and I, you
know, definitely recommend people.
Seek out any of his work, but if, you
know, if you've seen all of Brooklyn
Nine Nine, which I know is not as easy
to watch later on, but, uh, you know,
the, the good fight as well is, is one
to check out for, for him, he does some
amazing stuff in there, and, you know,
he's done I never watched Homicide, I was
a little young to watch Homicide when it
was on, but, uh, I know a lot of people
are big fans of his from there as well.
Aaron: Oh, yes.
How many more do we have to watch?
Uh, Steve, one of my co hosts
put in earlier chat, he's
like, well, buckle up, folks.
It's that time of the year.
We should expect a couple more
before the end of the month.
I'm like, well, that's, that's morbid.
I'm not really
Ben: that, I don't like that.
Aaron: That's an approach that I don't
know we should have taken here today.
Jeremy: yeah, that one and Shane
McGowan have both hit me pretty
hard over the last couple weeks.
I'm a big Pogues fan but
yeah, it's a tough one.
Well, from there, let's transition to
Uh, Emanuel, can you, uh, let people
know where they can find more, more
about, uh, you and what you do online?
Emmmanuel: sure thing, I'm
on Twitter at elipscom2,
Jeremy: Awesome.
And Aaron?
Aaron: since I haven't started
my only fan site I guess I will.
If you listen to our show,
if you listen to our show, you'll know.
Hey, you know, deck the halls.
I said deck the halls.
So, you can find us, uh, every
week on the Talking Comics podcast.
We usually release, uh, an
episode every Wednesday morning.
Right now, we are actually taking a
little break having done a marathon
recording of our best of episodes.
So, uh, but any, any, any Wednesday,
you're going to find us out there
just rambling on a bunch of friends
talking about comics and nerd stuff.
So, you know, look for us out there.
You'll find us.
Jeremy: Good stuff.
And, uh, Ben, where can people
find out more about your stuff?
Ben: Yeah, definitely, uh, you know, find
me on, uh, Twitter, BlueSkyBenKahnComics.
And then, uh, yeah, check out, the
Captain Lazerhawk manga from, uh,
Tokyopop, my most recent book that's out.
Jeremy: Fantastic.
And Emily?
Emily: Megamoth.
net.
That'll take you to
wherever you want to go.
My, my Twitter, my Blue Sky, my,
uh, Instagram, mega underscore moth,
and most importantly my Patreon.
Jeremy: Fantastic.
And for me, you can, uh, find me
on Twitter and Instagram at jrem58.
You can find me on BlueSky
and Tumblr at JeremyWhitley.
You can find my, my many
things I've written, uh, on
my website at JeremyWhitley.
com or at your local store.
When this is coming out The Cold
Ever After, my book with Megan
Wong from Titan, will have either
just come out or already be out.
For a couple weeks, depending on
when you're listening to this.
So, go buy that.
Check it out.
Read it.
It's a, you know, queer
Arthurian noir type story.
So it's, it's probably not
like anything else that you've
read because it's a weird one.
and, uh, as for the podcast,
you can find us, uh, on Patreon.
It's progressively horrified
on our website at progressively
horrified Transistor fm.
We're on Twitter at ProgHorrorPod,
where we would love to hear from you.
And speaking of loving to hear from
you, we would love it if you'd rate
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Good reviews means, uh, it gets
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so we get more listeners, so,
uh, we get to make more stuff.
So it really just benefits
you guys in the end.
Thanks again to Aaron and
Emmanuel for joining us, guys.
This was great.
It was a lot of fun to talk
about this one with you guys.
Aaron: Thank you so much.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate being invited back again.
Ben: thank you so much for coming on, you
guys.
Really
Emily: it's always, it's always
awesome to have you guys on.
Jeremy: It's another one of those,
I'm glad we had this podcast to talk
about it, because otherwise I'd just
still be thinking about it by myself.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Very fair.
Emily: Yes.
Aaron: It's all very
therapeutic for you, I'm sure.
Emily: Yeah.
And hopefully for you all, too.
Aaron: Yes.
Jeremy: As well, uh, thanks as always
to Ben and Emily for joining me, and uh,
thank you to all of you for listening,
and until next time, stay horrified.