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Where triathlon meets real talk. Hosted by two seasoned triathletes and one Sarah, this podcast takes a deep dive into the controversies, challenges, and triumphs of the triathlete world.
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Lockie
And welcome back to episode two, season two of the unfunded podcast. As always, I am your host, Lachlan Jones, professional triathlete here with my good friend.
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Lleyton
Leighton Wall, also a professional triathlete.
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Lockie
There we are. And today we are diving into the episode that everybody loves. It's prediction time.
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Lleyton
Predictions. The crystal ball is out.
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Lockie
Exactly.
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Lleyton
It kind of broke me last year. Absolutely shocking. But we're going to try again. This is one of the mistakes.
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Lockie
I think this is a really cool episode last year to look back and go, all right, how well do we actually know triathlon. No triathlon again.
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Lleyton
I didn't know very much. Yeah, you were shocking, right? Well, I went bold, I went bold.
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Lockie
There's bold in this wrong.
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Lleyton
Yeah, yeah I shouldn't of Gwen Jorgensen. Why did I think of that? She's like nearly 40.
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Lockie
Anyway, that's the, that's the season today we're going to be talking about who's in, who's out, what's in, what's out, and what we think 2026 is going to look like. And also what we would like 2026 to look like. Some of the things that, you know, as, as athletes and also just lovers of triathlon, we would like to see maybe introduce maybe captain, maybe sort of kick the bucket now to hear yep.
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Lleyton
Sounds good. Well all right. Can we get straight into it.
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Lockie
Let's do it.
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Lleyton
Out. INS and outs of 2026.
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Lockie
You just want to go one for one. You tell me and I'll tell you in in.
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Lleyton
Okay. So Enes I think we got it right at the start of last year and it is good commentators in good commentators will coy. Belinda Granger, I believe inside scoop. They are on the tax this year. Oh, that's that's an unfunded body.
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Lockie
And I would like to say I think unfunded helped with that.
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Lleyton
I think we.
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Lockie
Did I think we I think we're a big contributor into getting.
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Lleyton
We're actually impact.
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Lockie
We are. And you know what we could be completely wrong. And it might not have been out at all. But we did hype them up. And what an amazing job we all saw. And we've hopped up, hopped up on it after the World Champs last year. I fucking nailed it exactly right.
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Lleyton
And I think that will change the landscape of triathlon. It will. That's a big begin this year.
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Lockie
All right, eat my my in I and this started a little bit last year. And I think it's going to continue to roll on. And that is breakaways. Yeah. Just having a more exciting swim bike and run hard from the gun all got oh gas to the finish line. Like we're not coming together on the bike having a Sunday you know coffee right.
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Lockie
And then we're gonna all run you know sub 13 minute five K and then not do not. But you know you know running credibly you know can have a 50 person run race like we're really making this a swim black run to be the world champion you have to be the best swimmer black or no, no.
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Lleyton
I think we will get on to that with our world champ. Preview who I think's going to win. Yeah, but I think that's probably going to play a big factor in our picks later on.
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Lockie
Exactly.
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Lleyton
Okay. And in this year and this is throughout all of the racing, you know, patios taking over all the different kind of media sources now. But iron Man they need to step up their game as well. Live streams, live streams actually working because some of them was shocking. Like we've got the commentary right. We need the live streams to be on the same level now.
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Lleyton
Yeah, they weren't quite last year. Like, I don't want to really say a hotel for half of the best race of the year. Yeah, but this year I think they're going to get it right. It's in I think, I think should live stream short course.
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Lockie
Definitely. And we saw it with some of the conversation around making live stream a free verse. Paid service. Some people sort of saying, look, it is actually worth it with how good the quality is on trough on live like the production is.
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Lleyton
Is pretty good. It is pretty good.
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Lockie
Obviously it's tricky, like with the sport we kind of do when we're moving at a fast pace is unpredictable paces. Yeah, it's going to be hard, but you know, to grow the sport, you need to grow the viewership.
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Lleyton
I mean, I think that's where the investment in the, the PGA coming into the world tri kind of, deal is where it will really kind of break out this year. So I hope to say it this year.
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Lockie
Exactly. And that kind of leads onto my next in as well, which I think, like you just said, the PTO coming into world try bigger prize purses. I think athletes yeah. Pay the athletes like sort of what what they deserve like exactly. You got people doing incredible things. The sport is on such a high right now. Let's emphasize the almost the attraction for all athletes.
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Lockie
Our top athletes all come together. Yeah. And obviously money attracts money talks. People come to get paid.
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Lleyton
Exactly. And that's I think we saw last year, athletes going and doing their little side quest. If there was a lot of big money in triathlon, I'm sure Alex wouldn't be going running marathons or Highland going to long course if there was that much money. In short course I'm sure they would have raced it. Yeah.
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Lockie
Exactly.
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Lleyton
Hey, the pros I am. It's a lot trans out of me.
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Lockie
And also like maybe like like maybe pay the county level guys as well. Yeah.
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Lleyton
Yeah. Well it has to trickle down all the idea it doesn't it. I mean that's what you know you grassroots per se. Yeah. It kind of builds both and it'll build the level of competition like yeah you're probably better pros that race World Cups will probably race more counties. Yeah. Which it it improves everyone. Yeah okay. My next in mixed relays I think they're going to be a big obsession this year they announced the the World Series mixed relays and World Cups only yesterday.
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Lleyton
And there's actually about 5 or 6 of them.
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Lockie
There's heaps.
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Lleyton
So I want to say a big emphasis on getting around your nation, not just really because it is an individual sport, but I want to say a nation get around the mixed team relay. And look, I would like to say I know it's very dynamic, but it would be cool to say if you had a mixed team relay that raced all of these races throughout the year, and you can really get around those four athletes.
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Lleyton
Unless you're racing for a nation, it doesn't quite work like that. But that would be really cool to say that you can even just get around the nation for a mixed team relay. And, you know, people are watching the mixed team realize.
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Lockie
They I agree, I agree in the terms of like having like a federation, a national federation should really emphasize ensuring that they have a relay team in every single relay that is present, like I think Australia, New Zealand, in America, in Abu Dhabi, I think the States didn't have one, but there was a lot of countries that were missing in Abu Dhabi.
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Lockie
Yeah. For a relay like it's a wasted opportunity in my opinion. Yeah. Having the same four guys, I don't.
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Lleyton
It's never going to happen because everyone yeah, these races different things.
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Lockie
Different races differently. But also in the, in the grand scheme of things like the, the big reason you want to have a, you want to perfect the relay is for the Olympics. So like if you're just using the sort of the same four guys all the time, it's kind of like, are you are you seeing who best fits the mold here?
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Lockie
Because like, I know obviously I'm a little bit biased because like, I'd love to race a really I think like that is a special specialty for me. But like, do you really know that there could be some people we saw the Brits in?
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Lleyton
Yeah. Gave a few of the young guns again.
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Lockie
Yeah. And like they killed it. Yeah. Like they held their position against like some of the best in the world. And I'd never been on the world stage before.
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Lleyton
So, maybe just getting around the nation, just.
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Lockie
Get around your nation and just have a relay team in every single relay you can get your hands on.
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Lleyton
Cool.
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Lockie
I love the relay. Oh, it's so much fun. This is something that I think the TI 100 does really well, and that's like more beats, more behind the scenes sort of stuff like, let's even try get like a Netflix doc about let's get off on TV 100 Netflix doc.
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Lleyton
They can do it for like Scotty James and Snowboarding, which yeah, which is a cool sport, but offensive triathlon. There's a lot of drama that goes on there racing around the world. Yeah. You know beats.
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Lockie
I'm sure, I'm sure Irish.
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Lleyton
Personality I'm.
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Lockie
Sure every sport wants to you know they all want a Netflix doc on that sport. They all think they got the personality. But like, you know, I think it definitely is a way where triathlon is exciting at the moment. Like we really, really need to capitalize on triathlon is finally a cool sport.
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Lleyton
Yeah. 100%. In the general populace it is cool. Maybe. I think it is like around the world called.
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Lockie
The.
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Lleyton
UK. It's massive.
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Lockie
It's always been in Europe.
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Lleyton
Yeah, but Australia, it's it's.
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Lockie
Massive in America. Yeah, in America. And like the influence is saying has definitely helped that. Yeah. Like you got like yeah Luke Hopkins you got you like Nick bears like these kind of like gym sort of running bro's like that. But they're like the cool social media. They've definitely influenced everybody else to kind of go, oh yeah, okay.
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Lockie
This actually is pretty cool.
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Lleyton
Yeah. And then that would obviously put a bigger spotlight on the pros who are doing it at the top level, because I feel as if a lot of people would know it. Nick Bear more than a Matt Houser really.
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Lockie
Definitely 100%. They would. Yeah. So I think it's just going to again, it's going to uplift the sport. It's going to give you that behind the scenes sort of character on like you see Matt Howes on race day, but like it has his got a very good personality. He's got he's got a sarcastic Aussie nature about him. Like let's get let's shine that like same as all the others.
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Lleyton
Cool. My next one, I only have one more and it is short course athletes back racing short course. No more side quest. Yeah I think that's in this year. Hopefully we see Alexey back locked in I want to say Hayden back into Josh's racing short course. Yeah he'll dabble but I don't want him to go racing a t 100 and then the WTS the next day.
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Lleyton
I don't like that. Really. Not not going into this Olympic cycle. Hopefully they're back. They're locked into WTS racing that I want to say my top five. They're racing every race.
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Lockie
And we and we literally just said that again because today we're going to be doing our predictions. But we're like do you pick Hayden or I can we like we know.
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Lleyton
That Alex is liable to be, but.
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Lockie
I'm not going to pick Hayden based on like kind of what he was doing last year. And Hayden's analogy is also very much okay. If I'm fit, I'll just do everything.
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Lleyton
Yeah. Right.
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Lockie
So it's like look, it's like respectful. And it worked for the two 100. Like it clearly he was dominant in the tail 100. But I don't know what his best result I mean no sorry he won in Abu Dhabi in the first race. But then it was just to Hayden. While standards he was average. He's very average for the rest of the season.
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Lleyton
Yeah I mean he did come off a couple of know exactly.
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Lockie
But I mean like that you say that. But he was still so dominant in the tail 100. So it's like true. So like yeah.
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Lleyton
I don't want to say that.
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Lockie
Lost. How many times can you sort of like you can't just keep using the same excuse of like, oh I race it to 104. It's like, well that's fine. But you still to your to Hayden's level did average. We want to say Hayden fit fast. Yeah. Ready top battling Alex battling. How's battling Miguel Hidalgo like got so many good athletes now.
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Lockie
Yeah. Let's get them all racing together.
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Lleyton
Yeah I think it's going to be good.
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Lockie
I would love to, I and this is a sort of an in that I wanted last year. I don't want to play down rivalries anymore. Yeah. Let's bring back the beef. If you don't like it, you love it. You don't fucking like each other. All right. We had a has a sort of saying it, you know, like at the end of the end of last year.
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Lockie
And it's not that like it was anything. It was, it was nothing against like these people. But when you had Alex and Hayden sort of coming back from their side, quest has it was very adamant that, you know, like boys, let's fucking not let them just come back on in.
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Lleyton
Yeah. Take all the flowers.
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Lockie
Exactly. I mean, like, I definitely think there was some there was some words between like Hayden and Hauser as well, where Hayden sort of did think he was going to just mosey on in and. Yeah, take the title away.
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Lleyton
No. Yeah. Bring it back. And in the women's, the women's all kind of beefs are there as well. You know, you had Lisa told us they did not like who was sitting on the block.
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Lockie
Who was the.
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Lleyton
Who was the one.
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Lockie
Who was the one, that made the comment. I think it was Emma Lombardi.
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Lleyton
Yeah. And she's like, oh, she made the comment to.
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Lockie
Bianca to be anchor and Lisa to she did just sit there and did nothing. We asked Jess about it. Jess was very quiet, but, yeah, the women there feisty, like,
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Lleyton
That's exciting stuff.
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Lockie
We want to say. And lightweight. We're getting excited hearing about the beef right now. Like we want to. We want it.
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Lleyton
Bobby gives us stuff to talk about.
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Lockie
Exactly, exactly.
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Lleyton
That's what this, show is.
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Lockie
Read on. Yeah. All right, watch it out. What do you want to say? Fucked off.
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Lleyton
And, Lockie, I don't want to say you do Hydrox ever again. Right. Well, until you done triathlon. So hierarchs is a big out for me diet. Now, I don't want to say I don't want to say the side quests. No hierarchs, none of that. If you're doing triathlon, you do trough. Is that hard to do it off?
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Lockie
Is that hierarchs in general, like not even just me doing it as.
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Lleyton
I hierarchs in general. Okay. You can you can have it there. I don't really care. It's not my cup of tea. I don't think I'll ever do a hierarchs. But you know what I mean. For triathletes doing hierarchs, I don't want to say it. Okay.
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Lockie
Look, I don't want to see myself doing other hierarchies based off the performance I put together. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. I've been told, one of my big outs, and this is kind of. This is definitely in the triathlon space, but it's more of a, I guess, off the back of sort of what we saw last year with how many injuries in the sport.
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Lockie
I'm sick of uneducated coaches. Yeah. For me, there's like, there's two big things. It's like, if you've been in the sport for like 12 months, and if you've got a big following on Instagram, that just does not mean you're an educated coach.
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Lleyton
Yeah, exactly.
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Lockie
We've seen too many. And again, this happens when an industry flares and like gets really popular. We say it there's like a lot of people sort of well if it makes money it makes sense and I understand that. But like this is different to lifting in the gym. Like the amount of stress injuries we've seen. And I'll jump on the bandwagon of, you know, right now there's a lot of, influencer bashing because there's a lot of running influencers and triathlon influencers that have stress related injuries.
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Lockie
Yeah. And they go and there's a lot of people sort of saying, well, I could have picked this coming a mile out because realistically, you don't know what you're doing enough to be able to train in it.
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Lleyton
Yeah.
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Lockie
You haven't been in it long enough. And it's like I've always been an advocate. There's a place for, there's 100%, a place for amateur level sport and influencers in the sport. Like, we need them to grow. We need them to make the sport as big as possible. However, that does not mean you are educated. You're not educated or qualified enough to be giving advice.
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Lleyton
Yeah, it's such a.
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Lockie
Such a tricky sport to comprehend.
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Lleyton
It's a bit like, you know, you're not just going to get a chippy, a random bloke off the street to build your house.
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Lockie
I just because I said, oh yeah, you need the.
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Lleyton
Foundations, right. Yeah.
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Lockie
Yeah, exactly. And that's the same as well. Like I'm not just trying to say you got to be a professional athlete to be, you know, a good coach, because there are a lot of professional athletes that I don't think would make good coaches. You know, communication's like such a big thing. There's a lot of there's a lot of athletes that have been in programs their whole lives haven't borne out and learned.
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Lleyton
In instance, an athlete that's been in a high performance program the whole life.
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Lockie
Yeah, that's.
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Lleyton
Probably can't relate to a age group, you know, who's working a full time job.
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Lockie
But I've also, sometimes like in those programs, those high performance programs, athletes aren't necessarily learning what's best for them. They just told what's best.
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Lleyton
Yeah, exactly. So it's like you're just a racehorse. Exactly.
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Lockie
You just told what to do. You just go and do it sometimes. So in that, in saying that, I'm also not trying to say you've got to be a professional athlete to be a good coach. I'm just saying I'm sort of sick of seeing.
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Lleyton
Someone doing a 70.3 and whipping up an online program.
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Lockie
Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of guys that have done one 70.3. They've got 300,000 followers, and all of a sudden they think I'm going to coach trough. I'm yeah, you're uneducated. You don't even know how to do the sport.
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Lleyton
I suppose it's like a lot of these influencers have just started to do triathlon to make a bit of coin out of it.
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Lockie
I literally, I literally know of some that have come from a running gym background. They've gone to take off one triathlon just to say that I'm now qualified.
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Lleyton
And then they're like two weeks old, like two days later. It's like, oh, I've released my program.
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Lockie
It's like, I'm sorry, but you don't know how to do it yourself. Yeah. And it's and it's I find it funny when it's also tailored around their strengths and weaknesses as well. But they're for obviously they're really good runners but they can't swim for shit. So it's like all your swimming mileage is really low, but you're running mileage really high.
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Lockie
It's like you're just basing it off of yourself. Anyway, that's a long winded version of my out uneducated coaches.
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Lleyton
Okay, my out is posting your race schedule. This is more of a step in the long course on this, but I don't get it. Like if you go race, go race, don't worry about posting it before because a lot of the time your race schedule is so dynamic. Races get canceled, races change, might get injured, you might not be fit y posted at the start of the year.
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Lleyton
It's just like.
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Lockie
I've I it's one day I get it. I never got around. And when like athletes try to build it up and they're like.
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Lleyton
Oh, I'm racing this.
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Lockie
But it's just like one week's time, I'm going to announce my schedule like, I don't, I don't know, I don't care. Maybe it's just maybe, just maybe there's some people that do really care about seeing an athlete. It's like.
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Lleyton
People are going to flock to go watch.
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Lockie
Them. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, in, in Europe, maybe they will, but I don't know. I've never I've never understood that it it's definitely a long thing.
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Lleyton
Yeah. Yeah it's a long crossing because short course it's more chasing points and different kind of ins and outs of qualifying for things. Yeah. Isn't it.
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Lockie
Oh well, as, as Morgan Pearson would say.
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Lleyton
Who cares, who cares, who cares?
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Lockie
My next one, I think you might have something similar. Similar to this, athletes making excuses when they just have.
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Lleyton
A bad day. Like.
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Lockie
Honestly, just go for it on the chin, admit that you weren't the better person today like I. There's nothing more than when. Especially when you come second or third like you're pretty. Well, if you're on the podium, then you're gone. Just didn't have the you are on the podium of the World Series or a World Cup or like AT1 hundred.
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Lockie
What do you mean? It wasn't your day? Like you're still on the podium.
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Lleyton
Just say you're in the top 1%, right? I know it's.
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Lockie
Like, well, when they go on, like, you know, I was sick leading into this and it's like, well.
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Lleyton
Don't race.
00;18;15;28 - 00;18;32;23
Lockie
Don't race or like just don't make the excuse or like just, just, just your result for what you got on the day. Yeah. I, I there's nothing more I hate than excuses like unless you crashed or like something so extreme, but like having a sniffle. Just, grow.
00;18;32;23 - 00;18;45;22
Lleyton
Up. Okay. Yeah. It's not that deep, is it? Not that deep. Not owning up to your mistakes. That was. Yeah, my one. So it's a little bit different because there's been obviously a lot of scandals last year.
00;18;45;24 - 00;18;46;24
Lockie
Are you picking on someone.
00;18;46;26 - 00;18;57;17
Lleyton
No no no no. Well that was plenty of people that wore the wrong shoes I don't know. Sam Wong wore bloody the wrong shoes. It doesn't matter. I just own up to mistakes and go.
00;18;57;19 - 00;19;00;11
Lockie
Look, I mean, I'm from it. I'm not against it.
00;19;00;13 - 00;19;01;23
Lleyton
I think. I think that's fair enough.
00;19;01;23 - 00;19;22;10
Lockie
Now I do as well. Like late, like you said. Stop making excuses. Yeah, like it's just, And even on that as well. Stop. Like, I hate that the general public are okay with it. Like they're okay with certain people doing it. It's almost like, well, we said when this happened, if it was a Russian. Yeah, you fucking outrage.
00;19;22;14 - 00;19;28;13
Lockie
It would be outrage because it's like, oh, they're doing it again. They're doing it again where it's like, well, why are we bending the rules.
00;19;28;14 - 00;19;35;25
Lleyton
Even if you're just to give a shit person in a race? Yeah. You know, just be like, yeah, is being shit.
00;19;35;27 - 00;19;38;23
Lockie
Hey to them on their. Yeah. The moment it's racing. Yeah. It's racing.
00;19;38;28 - 00;19;41;29
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah I was a bit shit. Okay, whatever.
00;19;42;02 - 00;19;55;10
Lockie
What on one of my. How many more do you have? That's it. Okay. To be honest, I've got one more and I'm going to. This is one. And I hopefully this one is fixed with Belinda Granger and Will McCoy coming on as commentators.
00;19;55;14 - 00;19;55;23
Lleyton
Yep.
00;19;55;25 - 00;20;21;18
Lockie
We need to stop glazing the athletes that are in 50th spot in five minutes down. I've I've said it before and I specifically said it about Gwen Jorgensen. Yeah. Gwen. Phenomenal athlete. Literally probably the best athletes who have ever come through. Phenomenal. But when she came back and she was six minutes down out of the water, I did not want to hear about, oh my God, where is Gwen?
00;20;21;19 - 00;20;23;08
Lockie
Yeah, she's six minutes down, buddy.
00;20;23;08 - 00;20;25;05
Lleyton
She's going to run for Queensland.
00;20;25;05 - 00;20;39;08
Lockie
20 people that were like, focus on you. You just full of guys. Focus on your live metal eyes, like the girls that haven't been in the spotlight before. Like, yeah, give them a round. Stop talking about like yes, she was phenomenal. But she's not in the race. She's not in the ring.
00;20;39;08 - 00;20;44;18
Lleyton
Hopefully we've got rid of the old 2016 commentators. Will and Belinda now. Yeah.
00;20;44;18 - 00;20;54;06
Lockie
And again like we did, we did see with Hayden bit last year and again like Hayden has had his spotlight in the Tate 100. He was killing it. But when he's five minutes down in the third pack you don't need to be talking about it.
00;20;54;06 - 00;20;54;25
Lleyton
Yeah yeah.
00;20;54;26 - 00;21;01;11
Lockie
Like get it on on. He's there to win a world championships. Yeah. Anyway that's our, Well, I've actually got one more for you.
00;21;01;12 - 00;21;02;04
Lleyton
Okay. Go.
00;21;02;11 - 00;21;09;20
Lockie
Okay, so this is, this is something that could be a little bit of, this could ruffle some feathers.
00;21;09;26 - 00;21;10;06
Lleyton
Okay.
00;21;10;07 - 00;21;29;11
Lockie
And we had this conversation. I don't know if you were there. Actually, we had this conversation in the training squad the other day, so we're on a ride. And one of the boys, I kind of remember who brought this up, and it was a bit of a debate. At what point do you get to classify yourself as an athlete.
00;21;29;13 - 00;21;31;07
Lleyton
As in so late?
00;21;31;09 - 00;21;44;10
Lockie
I don't know if you said there's a lot on social media where they're saying, like, follow my athlete journey or like, just a lot of people that are calling themselves athletes when really they might just be sort of mediocre, they might have finished the race.
00;21;44;17 - 00;21;45;03
Lleyton
Okay.
00;21;45;04 - 00;21;52;15
Lockie
Do you get to like, at what point do you get to say I'm an athlete? I had this conversation. I had this conversation with Paige the other day.
00;21;52;15 - 00;21;53;16
Lleyton
That's so tough.
00;21;53;16 - 00;21;55;09
Lockie
And we was we were very split on this.
00;21;55;10 - 00;21;59;05
Lleyton
I would call like in,
00;21;59;07 - 00;22;02;09
Lleyton
Oh, I don't know. I don't know what it's like.
00;22;02;10 - 00;22;14;23
Lockie
To say, like somebody said, well, somebody says like, you know, oh, what do you do? Oh, I'm like, I'm a this I'm, I'm an athlete. Like, what point do you get to say I'm an athlete? Oh, do you classify you classify yourself as an athlete. Yeah.
00;22;14;23 - 00;22;16;05
Lleyton
Because I race professionally.
00;22;16;05 - 00;22;18;20
Lockie
Exactly, exactly. Is that is that the like.
00;22;18;21 - 00;22;20;06
Lleyton
Maybe that's the classification.
00;22;20;06 - 00;22;25;08
Lockie
Do you. Race is a professional like. No. Is that if you race as a professional then you're not.
00;22;25;09 - 00;22;34;27
Lleyton
But I also would classify myself as a proper professional because I don't make a full living off the sport or race professionally is what I would say when you.
00;22;34;29 - 00;22;40;16
Lockie
When you enter the country. Yeah. And I ask you for your occupation. Are you going to a doctor's certificate? What do you. Yeah. I'll put.
00;22;40;16 - 00;22;42;12
Lleyton
Down. Like what I do as a job.
00;22;42;15 - 00;22;43;21
Lockie
Oh, really? You never done athlete?
00;22;43;24 - 00;22;46;18
Lleyton
No, because that's not where I make my most money.
00;22;46;24 - 00;22;52;20
Lockie
If you're not calling yourself an athlete on an occupation list in life, then that's not against you. But then, like, a bit like.
00;22;52;20 - 00;22;55;16
Lleyton
Let's say you go to China. Yeah, well, like.
00;22;55;16 - 00;22;58;02
Lockie
I'm a life saver. You for that? Yeah.
00;22;58;04 - 00;22;58;16
Lleyton
Yeah.
00;22;58;23 - 00;22;59;08
Lockie
Oh, really?
00;22;59;08 - 00;23;12;09
Lleyton
Yeah. Yeah. Because it's easier to get in there and I like to places rather than that I'm like going oh what's that like. Oh what do you actually do. It's like well it's just easier. But for tax purposes yes I'm an athlete. Yeah.
00;23;12;09 - 00;23;14;06
Lockie
Yeah for sure. Because.
00;23;14;07 - 00;23;21;27
Lleyton
I don't know it's it's very tricky on what level you are like if you're a very good swimmer, let's say you're racing at nationals.
00;23;21;29 - 00;23;22;27
Lockie
00;23;23;00 - 00;23;32;02
Lleyton
But you aren't making the Olympics I would say you're an athlete if you're like swimming at state level, I'll still say that you're an athlete.
00;23;32;04 - 00;23;33;04
Lockie
And this is definitely.
00;23;33;08 - 00;23;35;06
Lleyton
If it changes with age though it's.
00;23;35;06 - 00;23;35;22
Lockie
Obviously.
00;23;35;22 - 00;23;38;15
Lleyton
If you're 50 playing pickleball you're not an athlete bro.
00;23;38;16 - 00;23;56;10
Lockie
Well exactly. But like this is where like the divide is and obviously it comes from like online and like we keep talking like the the social media game is just so big right now. Yeah. The amount of time like, you know, somebody said it like I saw a video and one of them was saying, oh, follow my journey, like as an athlete.
00;23;56;12 - 00;24;03;21
Lockie
And it's like, do you do you get to call yourself that? Like you're doing your first triathlon? You get to call yourself an athlete.
00;24;03;21 - 00;24;10;23
Lleyton
Do I always say you have to be in a competitive, like field? Because for yourself, an athlete.
00;24;10;28 - 00;24;15;05
Lockie
My mom trains about 15 hours a week. Yeah, she does 3 or 4.
00;24;15;06 - 00;24;16;19
Lleyton
Does she classify self as a.
00;24;16;26 - 00;24;20;08
Lockie
Not one bit? My mom came into this conversation. She's like, I'm not an athlete.
00;24;20;11 - 00;24;24;09
Lleyton
No, but she just she, I just like sport. And I do triathlon.
00;24;24;10 - 00;24;29;01
Lockie
Even even, like, if you're a content creator, you're a content creator who does triathlon.
00;24;29;01 - 00;24;31;09
Lleyton
Yeah, I create content for triathlon.
00;24;31;10 - 00;24;36;20
Lockie
Exactly. One of the boys actually was pretty funny. He was like, oh, I mowed Mallow this morning in my landscaper, right?
00;24;36;23 - 00;24;37;10
Lleyton
I.
00;24;37;12 - 00;24;39;09
Lockie
I took my dinner every night of my shift.
00;24;39;09 - 00;24;40;10
Lleyton
I'm a chef. Yeah.
00;24;40;11 - 00;24;42;27
Lockie
It's like, no, I don't think that's how it works.
00;24;42;27 - 00;24;44;23
Lleyton
It's very loose. It's a loose term.
00;24;44;23 - 00;24;46;28
Lockie
It is very loose. But yeah, it was a is.
00;24;46;28 - 00;24;49;10
Lleyton
If it makes you feel better, call yourself an athlete.
00;24;49;14 - 00;24;54;10
Lockie
No I'm against it. You know what an athlete. I'm sorry. I'll have to stand by that one.
00;24;54;11 - 00;25;03;23
Lleyton
You do, said sport. That's what I would say. Like if people came up to me and said, what do you do? Okay, well, not a whole lot. Do a bit of triathlon.
00;25;03;25 - 00;25;11;12
Lockie
I mean, if anybody can call themselves an athlete, you can call yourself and you're in a high performance program that represents Australia.
00;25;11;19 - 00;25;13;06
Lleyton
Yeah, yeah.
00;25;13;09 - 00;25;16;04
Lockie
And if you're struggling to call yourself an athlete, then yeah.
00;25;16;06 - 00;25;19;22
Lleyton
Maybe that's where it is. Yeah, yeah.
00;25;19;25 - 00;25;20;20
Lockie
We'll say if you're.
00;25;20;20 - 00;25;23;03
Lleyton
Worse than me, you can't say.
00;25;23;05 - 00;25;29;04
Lockie
Yeah, okay. Everybody's a rising light. And if you call cold an athlete.
00;25;29;06 - 00;25;35;07
Lleyton
The triathlon athlete limit. Yeah. It's ranked at 300 in the world on the board. Anyone lower?
00;25;35;10 - 00;25;44;27
Lockie
Not on the board. All righty. Well, that's it. Let's get into the big one. The WTA say as world titles pull, you should. Yeah.
00;25;44;27 - 00;25;46;06
Lleyton
I'm hot now. I'm sweating.
00;25;46;12 - 00;26;00;05
Lockie
Yeah, because I'll put you on the spot. Yeah. All right. It is the full season where Olympic points, world titles are properly, overlapping again. So hopefully everyone's back in, and everyone's race is going to count on us.
00;26;00;07 - 00;26;21;00
Lleyton
Here's a little question. What do you think's more important this year and next year? The world title or Olympic points. What do you think most people well, they go hand in hand obviously. Yeah. But what's more important are you doesn't matter about the world title this year and gain massive Olympic points next year.
00;26;21;03 - 00;26;28;04
Lockie
To both go hand in hand. Like like you said, they kind of because I mean, if you do win the world title, you probably want enough to then also have massive Olympic points.
00;26;28;05 - 00;26;52;06
Lleyton
But you could go race maybe like forget about a, let's say Australia needed to get, you know, another person in the top 30 and you're on the cusp of the top 30, for instance, and you are fighting for a top ten in the World Series. But then there's World Cup, which has better chances of getting Olympic points.
00;26;52;08 - 00;27;14;04
Lockie
I personally think it's too early to be solely focusing or like too hyper focused on Olympic points. Yeah, it's 2026. We got 2027. And there's still there's still opportunities to qualify in 2028. Yeah. So like we saw like again Luke William didn't qualify until four months before the games. Three months before the games.
00;27;14;10 - 00;27;17;09
Lleyton
So like so championships more important.
00;27;17;11 - 00;27;22;25
Lockie
Yeah I but then again do you want to be winning a world championship two years away from the games.
00;27;22;28 - 00;27;26;05
Lleyton
Oh I don't know. Well, well I'll take it.
00;27;26;08 - 00;27;45;09
Lockie
I mean, I take it any time, you know, for the guys, for the guys that are like, like on the very top especially has, like, what has is done now in do you have a you do you take a rest and then sort of come back. It's honestly it's tricky. Like, has it just had a huge, huge year last.
00;27;45;09 - 00;27;47;00
Lleyton
Year. Yeah. How old can you be.
00;27;47;01 - 00;27;49;22
Lockie
Can you hold that for another three years.
00;27;49;22 - 00;27;50;25
Lleyton
Two years to long time.
00;27;50;25 - 00;28;00;23
Lockie
It's a long year 2026 2027. And then go win an Olympics in 2028. Well I mean that's the amount of time it's it's in Alistair Brownlee level stuff like it's it's.
00;28;00;25 - 00;28;08;08
Lleyton
But if you look at someone like Ali between his gold medals, he didn't do a whole lot. He was injured for a lot of that.
00;28;08;08 - 00;28;24;29
Lockie
Yeah. Yeah. I mean Ali's an exception. He was like a hand in a heart. I think anybody can admit he was the best one day racer. Yeah. You could probably ever get in the sport like he could be. I think somebody even said he was injured in the lead up to London or something. Maybe it was Rio or like one of them.
00;28;24;29 - 00;28;27;08
Lockie
But he, like when it was time to perform.
00;28;27;10 - 00;28;29;06
Lleyton
It was he was a guy,
00;28;29;09 - 00;28;33;22
Lockie
Like just an animal. Like he was the he had the Mike Tyson mentality for triathlon.
00;28;33;22 - 00;28;45;02
Lleyton
Yeah. But then you also see like the magic run and Vince Louis. I know the Olympics was delayed a year, but then two years in the sport and Tokyo wasn't wasn't very good for him.
00;28;45;02 - 00;28;48;28
Lockie
No, no he was he was a powerhouse for two years. And then all of a sudden, nowhere a.
00;28;48;28 - 00;28;50;13
Lleyton
Lot can change in two years.
00;28;50;13 - 00;28;51;19
Lockie
A lot can change in two years.
00;28;51;22 - 00;29;09;26
Lleyton
Okay. This was probably the most exciting of the championship series last year. So we had the women's and we were on the edge of our seat watching that last one. And we obviously saw Lisa, Lisa, Tash win it come from absolutely nowhere. The blow of the century. Yeah. We're touching.
00;29;10;03 - 00;29;13;01
Lockie
Okay, Ricky, I touched on the the time we had.
00;29;13;03 - 00;29;24;20
Lleyton
So the women's. This one's going to be pretty exciting again. I feel as if there is like about seven girls. Yeah. Up and around that top top contender, top podium kind of spot.
00;29;24;20 - 00;29;29;03
Lockie
And then I'm just looking at you fix again and you love going bold.
00;29;29;05 - 00;29;34;12
Lleyton
Yeah I'll do all right. I'll just going for it I'll run with it okay. So I've got my picks.
00;29;34;12 - 00;29;35;16
Lockie
Yeah. Women's picks. Let's go.
00;29;35;17 - 00;29;40;22
Lleyton
Yoni perio. Yeah. Ooh John le here. And then Beth. Paula.
00;29;40;24 - 00;29;47;10
Lockie
Look, I was a big Leona fan last year, but I thought she was going to be a massive breakout. And she did.
00;29;47;14 - 00;29;49;27
Lleyton
So she end up last year. She was like.
00;29;49;29 - 00;29;52;12
Lockie
I want to say in the top three.
00;29;52;15 - 00;29;55;03
Lleyton
Yeah.
00;29;55;06 - 00;29;59;02
Lockie
But I, I mean, I just think it's very bold of you to also not go.
00;29;59;03 - 00;30;04;01
Lleyton
Leona was a or John Leona was second.
00;30;04;04 - 00;30;12;22
Lockie
Second. Exactly. Top three. So look I mean again you've not put in the current world champion and you've not put in the current Olympic champion.
00;30;12;22 - 00;30;34;14
Lleyton
Yeah. No, no, because, Cassandra did me dirty last year. I had her asthma. Yeah. You did. So she didn't she didn't podium. Okay. Which was unfortunate. Look, I think I think this year she'll have a little bit of a lull year, and then she's going to peak for Lee. Okay, that's my idea.
00;30;34;15 - 00;30;52;01
Lockie
Well, I mean, for, however minor, a bit different. I have gone not not not too different. To be fair, I've gone Beth Potter number one. I just think she's going to come out and do it. She's pretty strong across all three. I got Cassandra by Grant in second. Okay. I just think.
00;30;52;01 - 00;30;54;05
Lleyton
That was a battle for the podium last year.
00;30;54;05 - 00;31;05;24
Lockie
And then I think they kind of light it. I think they get a battle again. And I got John Lee here instead. I also like a lot of my decision making was because this all came down to the last race.
00;31;05;24 - 00;31;06;28
Lleyton
Yeah.
00;31;07;00 - 00;31;22;21
Lockie
If you look at the last race, this year's race, Pontevedra is a very strong course, like a very, very strong course. And if you look at kind of how it played out a couple of years ago, like, I just think we're going to see a Cassandra and.
00;31;22;23 - 00;31;23;28
Lleyton
Beth battle.
00;31;24;01 - 00;31;34;12
Lockie
Like, the other girls like Lee Perry out sort of swim. Bike is a little bit too off for me. And I think, like, if you're not, if you're not that from POC, the girls are kind of right away.
00;31;34;12 - 00;31;35;18
Lleyton
Yeah, exactly.
00;31;35;21 - 00;31;39;20
Lockie
It is a bit of a decider in the loss. Pontevedra.
00;31;39;22 - 00;31;46;24
Lleyton
Okay. So that's that's our keep them out. They'll probably be wrong again. But.
00;31;46;27 - 00;31;49;21
Lockie
I love you men's so we're actually going very similar in the.
00;31;49;23 - 00;31;54;22
Lleyton
Men's this year. Who did our peak last year I picked Alex. Yeah. Hayden.
00;31;55;00 - 00;31;58;12
Lockie
You can pick Alex year because he said he's he's back so he's back.
00;31;58;15 - 00;31;59;01
Lleyton
I'll.
00;31;59;02 - 00;32;05;11
Lockie
I'll of of of now that I've looked at your picks and I'll break them. They're all going to be racing so. Yes. Okay.
00;32;05;11 - 00;32;13;15
Lleyton
That's good. That's good okay. So I'm on men's peak. Let's get into it. I didn't because last year I believe did I pick him on the podium.
00;32;13;15 - 00;32;15;29
Lockie
You picked him for third third okay.
00;32;16;01 - 00;32;19;23
Lleyton
Wouldn't be happy with that. And so I'm going for him again. Oh. Back in the boy.
00;32;19;24 - 00;32;20;11
Lockie
Back to back.
00;32;20;19 - 00;32;30;27
Lleyton
So we're going back to back for Australia. He might. Did you say is the February champion runs it off the bike okay I like 1430. He's just.
00;32;31;00 - 00;32;33;02
Lockie
Like quick. It's horribly.
00;32;33;02 - 00;32;58;01
Lleyton
Quick. And it's only only February. He doesn't race for another month. So I'm going has off then I'm going Henry Groff he's going to ride off the back of has it this year. Yeah I think he got a little bit of confidence last year. I think this year he is looking good. He's going to be the guy that's just, you know, in the shadows of has I like I think they'll breakaway couple times maybe I don't know.
00;32;58;03 - 00;33;21;11
Lleyton
And then I have Alex. Yeah I think he'll he'll be like off the back of that little front break. But then I think he'll be quite consistent. I feel a few of these races where these top, front park guys won't be there, he'll win. Yeah. So like maybe like a way high. Yeah. Might win. Yeah. Then also I'm gonna put in a rogue top five.
00;33;21;11 - 00;33;31;17
Lleyton
Oh Hayden, if he races, he's got to be up there. Yeah 100%. And then I'll have max up. I can if he actually races this.
00;33;31;17 - 00;33;32;17
Lockie
Year I hate that big.
00;33;32;23 - 00;33;34;18
Lleyton
He will be in. Why are you.
00;33;34;18 - 00;33;43;02
Lockie
Doing that, Vic? I mean, because it's controversial. That's why it's controversial for the for the wrong reasons.
00;33;43;05 - 00;33;45;12
Lleyton
So that's what I reckon. I think that.
00;33;45;18 - 00;33;46;25
Lockie
All right, I, I.
00;33;46;25 - 00;33;49;07
Lleyton
Think Stuart will have a massive. Yeah. Going into the.
00;33;49;07 - 00;33;54;24
Lockie
Olympics. I gonna be completely honest. I don't necessarily write him outside of why I.
00;33;54;26 - 00;34;02;17
Lleyton
Yeah I mean fair I just, I just saw him like that one race. I was like, oh yeah, that boy can run.
00;34;02;22 - 00;34;08;05
Lockie
I don't know the inconsistency stuff, but we'll say, we'll say there is a big men's.
00;34;08;08 - 00;34;12;27
Lleyton
Statue just like you have Vasco hard. Miguel, who I've haven't even spoken about.
00;34;12;27 - 00;34;33;01
Lockie
So yeah, I know number two and three from last year. All righty. My one. I'm on back in year. Matty has, he's going to go double. He's going to go two for two. He's going to write off that high from last year. And he's just confident. Yeah I so confident. Number two I have Miguel Hidalgo.
00;34;33;03 - 00;34;52;08
Lockie
Yeah it's going to go number two again I think after last year he he's a is now a front pack guy. Like he's a clear front pocket swimmer strong on the bike. And he's just a freak runner again. Number three I have Henry Graff. Nice I really wanted to put E in there. And I actually changed that so many times I had.
00;34;52;08 - 00;35;04;20
Lockie
Yeah. In second here there. But I, I just I'm not 100% confident that he is going to come back and be the swim blocker that we saw him in Paris. Yeah. I just, I think it.
00;35;04;20 - 00;35;06;10
Lleyton
Would take a bit of work. Yeah.
00;35;06;10 - 00;35;18;26
Lockie
Yeah. Exactly. I think like how good he got sort of at his running last year and also how long it took for him to swim in bike. Well, yeah, leading up into Paris. I just don't know if he's gonna get it back right now. It's I think it's going to come back.
00;35;18;26 - 00;35;20;29
Lleyton
I mean, it's not. He hasn't done anything.
00;35;21;01 - 00;35;29;23
Lockie
No, no, no, he's definitely no. But how much work he had to do. Yeah. To get to that point I think he's it's going to take him another year. I believe he's still going to be a top ten contender.
00;35;29;23 - 00;35;35;23
Lleyton
Yeah. Yeah all the time I think there's there's a very solid top ten. Yeah. In the world of.
00;35;35;23 - 00;35;38;06
Lockie
15 even like very.
00;35;38;06 - 00;35;42;00
Lleyton
Good. Like who else do you have in the men's. It's battling it out.
00;35;42;03 - 00;35;47;25
Lockie
You've got a lot of the, David Cantera. Yeah. Of the Spanish a the Spanish are always there.
00;35;47;27 - 00;35;48;24
Lleyton
Yeah.
00;35;48;26 - 00;35;49;22
Lockie
00;35;49;24 - 00;35;54;03
Lleyton
Changa we didn't talk about him. Have that peak last year Luke.
00;35;54;05 - 00;36;00;10
Lockie
Willian who's that guy in 73rd. He could be pretty good.
00;36;00;10 - 00;36;02;01
Lleyton
Lucky Jones I think he could be.
00;36;02;08 - 00;36;08;17
Lockie
That Australian pretty code. Yeah. Who would say it would be a big one Audie.
00;36;08;20 - 00;36;09;13
Lleyton
That's our.
00;36;09;16 - 00;36;10;09
Lockie
What's the next one.
00;36;10;12 - 00;36;24;01
Lleyton
Okay. The breakout performer this is I love this one. Our young gun or our kind of athlete that's been in and around that, that top 20 of the World Series hasn't quite, you know, hit their.
00;36;24;01 - 00;36;33;20
Lockie
Straps has actually. You've made a pretty funny comment on the pro try and use. That was one where it was like, oh, my breakout performer, the Alec, number 53 in the world. Alex. I'm like, I'm going to debate.
00;36;33;20 - 00;36;37;09
Lleyton
However, on that. He's not breakout for he has performed. He's performed quite.
00;36;37;09 - 00;36;40;13
Lockie
Well. Exactly. Like this, like far less.
00;36;40;15 - 00;36;47;10
Lleyton
So we want to say young gun that's going to, you know, take it to them this year, a bit like a Henry Graf last.
00;36;47;10 - 00;36;48;05
Lockie
Year we got a soft touch.
00;36;48;05 - 00;36;51;01
Lleyton
And I know it's weird.
00;36;51;04 - 00;37;00;08
Lleyton
Henry Graf was probably the biggest breakout last year. Huge alongside showing out like we called him. Yeah. So yeah that was quite good. Who else?
00;37;00;11 - 00;37;04;05
Lockie
Now don't keep going. Keep going. Don't you go. Because I could be in my peak.
00;37;04;05 - 00;37;05;00
Lleyton
Okay, okay, okay.
00;37;05;00 - 00;37;07;06
Lockie
I feel like you've read this was, like.
00;37;07;09 - 00;37;15;28
Lleyton
More breakout for the mouse. This is Martin Crockett. Okay? He was second on 23 worlds. Yeah, he can swim like a fish.
00;37;15;29 - 00;37;17;27
Lockie
Oh, man. So you raise.
00;37;17;27 - 00;37;18;29
Lleyton
Him? No.
00;37;19;02 - 00;37;22;26
Lockie
I, I thought I was a good swimmer until I swam next to him.
00;37;22;29 - 00;37;23;19
Lleyton
He's a fish.
00;37;23;19 - 00;37;25;07
Lockie
Mate to the first.
00;37;25;10 - 00;37;26;26
Lleyton
Family. The Hungarians.
00;37;26;27 - 00;37;31;14
Lockie
All of them to the first can. Like I'm. I'm quick to the first can, but far out.
00;37;31;16 - 00;37;33;29
Lleyton
Quick off the line. Yeah, yeah, I.
00;37;34;01 - 00;37;49;26
Lockie
Have one time. Well, a couple of ones, but, Yeah. Honestly, like, not even then. Just for him to get to the first can, and then he just holds it the whole way. Yeah. I remember watching the same weekend World Cup where he was swimming next to Marcus day. Yeah. Marcus day is a fish in his own right.
00;37;49;26 - 00;38;00;10
Lockie
Yeah. Literally the Super League fish. And, somebody spoke to Marcus after the same weekend, though. Like he said, I was struggling to hold cop guys fate as crazy. Like he's a fish man.
00;38;00;15 - 00;38;21;22
Lleyton
So I've got crop co, and he was seventh way high, so he's had a little bit of experience in the World Series. Wow. Well I think this year if he's consistent on that World Series he'll be in the front pack. Yeah hopefully he has like mature enough black legs. Yeah. And he ran well enough second to Ollie Conway which was afraid of Ollie Conway in there.
00;38;21;23 - 00;38;22;25
Lockie
Yeah he kind of broke out of it.
00;38;22;25 - 00;38;28;12
Lleyton
He did break out last year like he was very good. So Martin Copco, that's my guy.
00;38;28;17 - 00;38;29;11
Lockie
Fair enough.
00;38;29;13 - 00;38;31;13
Lleyton
Lockie lemons I.
00;38;31;13 - 00;38;47;15
Lockie
Feel like this guy. It's hard. It's hard to say he's a breakout because, like, he's also done. Well. I think we mentioned him already, but I think he's going to be on quite a few podiums this year, and I think he's going to make a name for himself even more on what he already has. And that's David Cantera.
00;38;47;22 - 00;38;50;24
Lleyton
Yeah, I think he's fifth last year in the World Series.
00;38;50;24 - 00;39;01;11
Lockie
Exactly. So like again, this is a tricky one because it's not like he was that shit. But I think like, yeah, I think we're going to see a lot more consistent. He's the next Mario Mola.
00;39;01;14 - 00;39;03;26
Lleyton
Realistically he's oh three as well.
00;39;03;26 - 00;39;16;28
Lockie
Yeah he is he is the next. He is the Mario Mola double that they got here. So am am always how many time world champion like I don't actually know. I'm not even I'm not even pretend to pick a number. But my model was a phenomenal athlete in his own right.
00;39;16;28 - 00;39;18;24
Lleyton
He was six that way. High.
00;39;18;26 - 00;39;25;04
Lockie
It's the only the only tricky thing with that is it kind of goes against my in of breakaway.
00;39;25;04 - 00;39;25;25
Lleyton
Likewise yet.
00;39;25;25 - 00;39;27;26
Lockie
But you never know like he can do.
00;39;28;02 - 00;39;32;24
Lleyton
Like. Yeah I feel as if in those races that you will you know have a good day.
00;39;32;28 - 00;39;33;28
Lockie
He's gonna go toe to toe with.
00;39;33;28 - 00;39;45;24
Lleyton
Yeah a way high kind of rice. Yeah. Where it's more of a Rollins Field and maybe those top kind of few aren't there. Yeah. Saving up for the grand final. These boys will capitalize.
00;39;45;24 - 00;40;03;25
Lockie
Yeah, yeah, he, I can see him going toe to toe with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's looking at him like even. Yeah, probably looking at him like to him. That's Maya Muller again. Yeah. Like the run models they're gonna have. Look at him I mean he was the one that ran into, second like he caught at, Wollongong world champs.
00;40;03;27 - 00;40;05;16
Lleyton
Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00;40;05;19 - 00;40;16;01
Lockie
That run was phenomenal. Yeah, I think I think we're just going to say more of that. If the gaps are closer and closer, he's going to be running for podiums all the time. So yeah that's my breakout performer okay.
00;40;16;01 - 00;40;16;28
Lleyton
In the females.
00;40;17;01 - 00;40;18;04
Lockie
Oh I like that one.
00;40;18;06 - 00;40;20;15
Lleyton
I'm going to Enigma. Yeah. Is that hey.
00;40;20;16 - 00;40;25;26
Lockie
So he out of my. Yeah. Cool out of girl. Yeah. Maybe not anymore but was.
00;40;25;28 - 00;40;41;09
Lleyton
Her swim was crazy. She led out of world champs, I believe. Yep. Always second. Yep. Let out. And then she had a string of massive, World Cups at the back end of the year. She came second to a Russian and then won the next one in, Yang Yang Wash.
00;40;41;09 - 00;40;42;19
Lockie
That was insane.
00;40;42;19 - 00;40;53;13
Lleyton
So. And she just ran away with it. And that front bike pack worked hard. She's obviously a strong cyclist from. You know, I feel as if Great Britain breeds strong cyclist. Like they're just tough.
00;40;53;20 - 00;41;10;17
Lockie
She she's she struggles technically which I think hurt her a lot. So like if it is a technical sort of maybe like win it. She came out in one of the front packs and then dropped off and then dropped off. So if her bike legs mature. Yeah, man. Wash it out. Yeah. Assuming run is fun. Yeah.
00;41;10;19 - 00;41;20;23
Lleyton
So I think she's going to be one to watch especially that string of confidence. Hopefully she can race more World Series. I think she'll race the one last year. And that was the final. Yeah. So mate that's a.
00;41;20;23 - 00;41;22;22
Lockie
Big step up. Yeah.
00;41;22;25 - 00;41;33;27
Lleyton
He's tired from racing. World Cup shine to the world final. Yeah big. So I think she's going to be the girl to watch out for on everyone's. And I think she'll be a big contender in the mixed relay for the Brits.
00;41;33;27 - 00;41;37;17
Lockie
Yeah. She's so fast and like we've, we've done some trying to.
00;41;37;17 - 00;41;38;21
Lleyton
Be a bit of drama there.
00;41;38;22 - 00;41;44;19
Lockie
Man I know like that's the last thing JB needed was to add another bridge to like that already stacked.
00;41;44;19 - 00;41;47;08
Lleyton
Britain like,
00;41;47;10 - 00;42;14;06
Lockie
My pick is it's actually probably a very similar athlete, to Tilly. I'm going to butcher this last name, but it's the Italian Bianca to go CKD. So going. Yes. Yeah. So Gionee yeah we know the one that won the Italian. She's got similar strength. Absolutely. Fish in the water I think she struggles well I mean she definitely struggles to be on the bike because Emma Lombardi was you know, very vocally be very vocal about her sitting on the park.
00;42;14;06 - 00;42;22;15
Lockie
But, her run in her run in Wollongong was super strong. And I think, like, she's a young girl herself. I think she's also like.
00;42;22;17 - 00;42;23;20
Lleyton
2000, so.
00;42;23;20 - 00;42;36;00
Lockie
2000. So, you know, that's that's the that's the dream age right now I reckon that's if you're 25, if you're born in 2000, you're just going to have a year. Like, honestly, watch out for anybody born in 2000.
00;42;36;03 - 00;42;38;26
Lleyton
If anyone. Yeah. So she's obviously second in the world final.
00;42;38;26 - 00;42;41;19
Lockie
When I come on. But like I would be.
00;42;41;20 - 00;42;43;15
Lleyton
Classified as a bike.
00;42;43;17 - 00;42;59;17
Lockie
Again. It's kind of like the cantera. It's kind of like, it's kind of like she's obviously done some things, but it's like she hasn't been really cement. Yeah, yeah. Like really cement her name in that list of, you know, we weren't we weren't talking about a Cantero like we were talking about a Henry Graf. Exactly. On the Lehmann or Maddie Houser.
00;42;59;18 - 00;43;11;05
Lockie
Same as same as Bianca. We weren't talking about her to get a second place. Yeah, so I think I think this year they're both going to have real breakout years and cement their names in the in that top five.
00;43;11;07 - 00;43;12;06
Lleyton
Cool.
00;43;12;09 - 00;43;13;07
Lockie
God, I love that switch.
00;43;13;08 - 00;43;28;19
Lleyton
Okay. We have a little bit more of a prediction. Any dramas or storylines do you think they're going to come out of this year to a spicy little prediction. What are we going to see? We're going to see any scandals of any description.
00;43;28;19 - 00;43;31;15
Lockie
I mean, look, I this is.
00;43;31;15 - 00;43;32;22
Lleyton
Just a prediction.
00;43;32;25 - 00;44;01;09
Lockie
I think, with how technical the sport is going. And like the science, science in sport now is obviously just so big. I think it's probably going to get to the point where we're never going to have a year without some sort of scandal, whether it's like a physiological scandal, a doping scandal, a technical scandal, a scandal, like whatever it is like, I think we're just pressing that red line so, so heavy.
00;44;01;09 - 00;44;02;21
Lleyton
All the edge of innovation.
00;44;02;21 - 00;44;19;00
Lockie
Yeah, exactly. And we're towing in the gray area. Yeah. Like. And I think that's where, you know, we've definitely said it before when drug scandals and like doping allegations have come out, there's no way we're not going to have another one. Like how many have we had sort of an increase in the last couple years. There's no way we're not going to have it.
00;44;19;02 - 00;44;36;25
Lockie
However, like I think what's what's most frustrating about that is that they there's probably so many getting away with it. Yeah. Like if we really think that that's what we're getting them all. Yeah. We're not getting them all. The tip.
00;44;36;25 - 00;44;37;12
Lleyton
Of the iceberg.
00;44;37;12 - 00;44;45;19
Lockie
The tip of the iceberg. Like that's really the real problem. Isn't the person the real problem is the doping control.
00;44;45;22 - 00;44;49;02
Lleyton
Yeah. Well, exactly. They're always playing a step behind it.
00;44;49;02 - 00;45;06;26
Lockie
They're always a step behind. Like if we really think that we're like on top of it where, like, the doping control is such a step behind. Yeah. Like it's not, it's not adequate at all. There's easy like and I'm probably like sounding like someone who knows how to avoid the system. But like I definitely am not if I fall short I can drugs you be.
00;45;06;26 - 00;45;08;06
Lleyton
Drug tested next race.
00;45;08;09 - 00;45;11;29
Lockie
Oh we tried. Oh yeah we did. Yeah we did.
00;45;12;01 - 00;45;13;01
Lleyton
Reach out to your house.
00;45;13;01 - 00;45;17;03
Lockie
Show it to my house, like two weeks after I'd made a joke about being a.
00;45;17;06 - 00;45;19;12
Lleyton
And then they got me in Malaysia where I was 20th.
00;45;19;13 - 00;45;29;15
Lockie
Yeah, they definitely listen. But yeah, honestly, if we think that we're, capturing them all, we know it's like. It's like Pokemon Go to get them all.
00;45;29;17 - 00;45;38;08
Lleyton
I have a little I can. There's going to be some kind of big fall out in the squad. Oh, that's my little prediction now.
00;45;38;08 - 00;45;38;17
Lockie
Squad.
00;45;38;17 - 00;45;45;06
Lleyton
No, not so as is like a happy little family. Yeah we are. How good is that? No, there's no.
00;45;45;06 - 00;45;47;22
Lockie
Federation or like,
00;45;47;25 - 00;45;48;02
Lleyton
We.
00;45;48;02 - 00;45;51;07
Lockie
Usually say that close to the Olympics. Yeah, we always say federation blow up.
00;45;51;09 - 00;46;05;10
Lleyton
Yeah. So maybe it's more of a next year prediction. Yeah. But, yeah, I think someone so, big will change up, like their training coach or their training squad and go. Now I'm going to do it by myself or. Yeah, like that.
00;46;05;13 - 00;46;10;18
Lockie
I mean, surely we're past the point where athletes think that they're going to be able to coach themselves.
00;46;10;18 - 00;46;22;26
Lleyton
But yeah, but who knows. Yeah, I think some athletes think that they're there. Right. So I reckon someone's going to jump ship somewhere or just blow up as more of a next thing. I feel as if we're very hot for the Olympics already.
00;46;22;27 - 00;46;30;02
Lockie
Yeah, I know we're probably we probably need to settle down a little bit. Yeah. I think just because the Olympic qualifications at we're just going straight to the Olympics.
00;46;30;04 - 00;46;32;29
Lleyton
As if it's next year. Yeah. Or in six months.
00;46;33;02 - 00;46;33;19
Lockie
Exactly.
00;46;33;23 - 00;46;42;26
Lleyton
Long way ahead. Do you want to do races to watch anything where you predict that, the best one to watch will.
00;46;42;26 - 00;47;03;27
Lockie
Be, I mean, oh, look, I can't help but love like the Karlovy Vary one. I think if, like, if there is a race where it is pedal to the metal and like that is literally who is the strongest athlete on that day. That is the race. Like we saw we saw Houser probably show a bit of vulnerability on that one.
00;47;03;27 - 00;47;20;23
Lockie
Like, I mean, it's tough. He's on the string of wins. But we saw Henry Graff, we saw some like serious, serious athletes show their strengths and what they're capable of. And that's a race that I think can flip flip a series on its head a little bit. I mean, has it got six? So it's not like he was crap.
00;47;20;23 - 00;47;25;29
Lockie
But yeah, like it's definitely where if there's a if there's a bit of weakness it'll crack.
00;47;25;29 - 00;47;37;22
Lleyton
It will crack there I reckon my one to watch it. Well not because it's like going to be change up the series or anything, but I think he would be a cool atmosphere and hopefully it is is the race in London.
00;47;37;26 - 00;47;39;17
Lockie
They just.
00;47;39;20 - 00;47;42;08
Lleyton
Hope that that's, going to be like a big spectacle.
00;47;42;08 - 00;47;44;14
Lockie
Super, super, depending on where it is.
00;47;44;20 - 00;47;46;14
Lleyton
I think. I think they've announced it. Yeah.
00;47;46;15 - 00;47;51;03
Lockie
If it's where, if it's where the 100 is, it'll be it'll be horrible.
00;47;51;03 - 00;47;53;10
Lleyton
But if it's in like the middle of is it Hyde Park.
00;47;53;10 - 00;47;57;17
Lockie
Hyde Park with that I mean for me that is special because it's the first triathlon.
00;47;57;18 - 00;48;00;07
Lleyton
I imagine it rolling round Big Ben man.
00;48;00;07 - 00;48;03;21
Lockie
Like, see, I think Big Ben in Hyde Park pretty far away.
00;48;03;23 - 00;48;05;04
Lleyton
I like, I don't know, London bit.
00;48;05;06 - 00;48;26;03
Lockie
You've no London. No I clearly because I think they are probably a little bit too far. Yeah. So around Big Ben that's like one of the busiest roads for him to shut off the. You've gone very delicious. Yeah it'd be cool. Big bold pick again. But no I completely agree. Like why I don't don't put it in like the city center where it's all closed off and hard to access.
00;48;26;03 - 00;48;26;18
Lleyton
Like. Exactly.
00;48;26;19 - 00;48;30;12
Lockie
Put it in a big like the UK are known for their parks. They've got.
00;48;30;12 - 00;48;31;09
Lleyton
Parks. Exactly.
00;48;31;11 - 00;48;31;28
Lockie
Who do it in a.
00;48;32;01 - 00;48;33;01
Lleyton
Couple of squirrels running.
00;48;33;01 - 00;48;35;11
Lockie
Around. Yeah, exactly. Swan Lake Queen.
00;48;35;18 - 00;48;39;02
Lleyton
Hey, Queen on the king on the balcony. Given a wife.
00;48;39;04 - 00;49;01;20
Lockie
Exactly. Yeah. No doubt with the times. Oh, yeah. I mean, and to top it all off, don't forget the grand final point of airdrop. Yeah, that that means if anybody hasn't seen the men's finish from that year where you had to look for Darren Koenig's team off completely on his own, the German team.
00;49;01;23 - 00;49;05;13
Lleyton
The word starts with Darby Whelan's. Well,
00;49;05;15 - 00;49;08;22
Lockie
Tim team, the German team.
00;49;08;25 - 00;49;09;22
Lleyton
German team.
00;49;09;22 - 00;49;32;26
Lockie
The German team. Anyway, though, there might have been another one. But the sprint finish from that was like incredible. And it is. And it is one of those atmospheres that you are literally running through if it's the same course as what they had back in 2023, it is you're running on like cobbled paths. You're running through the town like you're running up and down the hill past restaurants, people blowing smoke in your face.
00;49;32;26 - 00;49;35;03
Lockie
It's all like those really your Europeans.
00;49;35;03 - 00;49;36;16
Lleyton
So yeah, yeah, it's cool.
00;49;36;16 - 00;49;49;01
Lockie
Finishing on an athletics track. Like it's really nice. Cool. All righty. Well, I think that is the 2026 Crystal Bowl episode wrapped up. We have we have warped our magic and we have, told you everything that's going to.
00;49;49;06 - 00;49;50;14
Lleyton
Be coming to fruition.
00;49;50;14 - 00;49;57;09
Lockie
I think we're actually pretty intertwined. And this one we've done well. You ability you've been a little bit bold, but I think we're still kind of.
00;49;57;12 - 00;49;58;16
Lleyton
This one thing.
00;49;58;18 - 00;50;14;20
Lockie
That's one thing. You thing is not working for you. Anyway. We're going to make sure that way you're going to, have a look at every single race. We're going to do the same thing where you can predict who the winner, who the losers are, who's doing well, who's not. We say anything, we're going to say it.
00;50;14;20 - 00;50;16;16
Lockie
So, yeah. What? Should I.
00;50;16;16 - 00;50;22;26
Lleyton
See it? Clip it up. We may be wrong. And we'll review in September.
00;50;22;28 - 00;50;34;08
Lockie
We're going to clip it up ourselves. No, we're definitely going to say it anyway. But, anyway, once again, thank you very much for listening. We love speaking here. We love hearing from y'all. We, going to wrap that up.
00;50;34;11 - 00;50;38;08
Lleyton
Thanks to Official Bakery for, sponsoring the pod again this year.
00;50;38;09 - 00;50;50;02
Lockie
I did actually do you a solid and I heard that you had a few of those on the weekend. Yeah, we're not going to bring it up one to their. Anyway, thank you very much for listening. We will catch you next week.
00;50;50;07 - 00;50;50;28
Lleyton
Cheers. But.