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I'm Brian Bashore, Professional walleye angler and owner of The Walleye Guys Guide service. I am here to reel you in with captivating stories, expert tips, and interviews with some of the biggest names in the fishing community. So, sit back, relax, and let the drag scream!
Brian Bashore (00:08.27)
Hey folks, thanks for tuning in real talk fishing with no limits. Sitting down with my good friend, David Lansdider today is getting up there ready to go fishing the NWT tournament in Dunkirk, New York. By the time you're watching this, this tournament will be over. So we'll know how it all washed out, but Dave's going to give us a little insight on what's going on there. And I'm going to talk a little bit of his Coda pro journey. They've done it all kind of, did the whole, the funnel, the system started on the coast side for a year and a half, two and a half years. and worked up in fishing on the pro side for a while. So if you're the coanglers looking to get in, there's some insights and things to think about. touch on some of the good, some of the bad, um, you know, from the coast side and the pro side of it. Uh, but really it's all just, it's learning a lot and opportunity and learning on the waters. You know, it's, it's what you kind of get out of it. Um, and, and really the pros, most all the anglers are going to get a chance to fish with their good dudes. So, um, Dave's going to break that down a little bit, kind of tell you some of the things he went through and some of suggestions he has.
experiences, good stuff. So really good one. If you're looking to move in to the NWT and fish as a coangler or even just getting to into terms, some things you got to think about. stay tuned and listen to Dave Landsteiner talk about going from a co to a pro.
Brian Bashore (00:00.345)
Alrighty Hey folks, welcome back to another episode of real talk fishing with no limits today We are joined by mr. David Landsteiner out on the road getting ready for the next big tournament ours How's the fishing going out there Dave?
David Landsteiner (00:15.468)
Yeah, it's been awesome. Got a chance to come out here, was it three days ago? Just drove right through the night through Chicago and you know, I think I caught my first fish like 30 seconds. Just picked out 60 feet went down and I was like, there's a bunch of them.
Brian Bashore (00:31.641)
It's a long drive to Dunkirk, but that's the good thing is you're going to at least have a lot of fish.
David Landsteiner (00:36.994)
Yeah, yeah, I think we're up. I lost count. It's it right now. The bite is so silly. I think I could put a hot dog down there and catch it. Is that bad? Yeah.
Brian Bashore (00:44.045)
Really.
Doesn't matter where you go, it's Lake Erie, there's fish everywhere. Let me go find the ones I want.
David Landsteiner (00:52.237)
Well, I'm working the state line right now. Like the only area I've worked is kind of a far boundary. And so we'll see if the fishing is good everywhere else. And I'm assuming it is, you know, they're probably all along that. And it's more about depth than anything. I've just been starting at like that 50, 60 feet and going out. I went out to 165 feet and I'm actually finding fish at certain depths, but I'm not running those depth contours. I'm just keep on going and eliminating water and seeing, where are they shifting and moving to right now?
Brian Bashore (01:21.279)
Right. bet. mean, obviously they're suspended and they're, yeah, I suppose you find bait, you find fish, huh?
David Landsteiner (01:21.729)
Where is the beta?
David Landsteiner (01:26.701)
You know, it seems to like, oh, there's a lot of them in that 40, 50 feet down range. Uh, in the morning, they're a little bit higher, seems. And the bigger quality fish that I've seen are like in that 10 to 15. And, um, I'm thinking they might even be higher, like five feet down sometimes. So I'm going to take the trolling motor up and move that transducer up. just barely in the water tomorrow and see if I can't see something that are pretty high. Cause I think I might be missing some stuff too.
Brian Bashore (01:35.287)
Not any too bad.
Brian Bashore (01:55.609)
That happens a lot in early spring on area. know that, you know, you miss them because you don't graph them and your side image may pick them up. But a lot of them are up there sunning in that warm water, like five feet below, you're running a Husky jerk with 20 feet of line out, you know, if you're back when you're trolling days.
David Landsteiner (02:06.859)
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe that's not the case just with the water temps are like we're like 77 to 80 degrees. They're pretty it's pretty warm out there.
Brian Bashore (02:15.203)
That's pretty warm. Yeah. I wouldn't think they'd be up there sunning now, but I suppose if the bait's up there, then that's where they're going to go. They're not super, super smart. they're good. They are smart, but they're not super smart. So, you know, if that's for the bait, they're, they're a predator. They're going to go get it they're going to go eat.
David Landsteiner (02:20.119)
Mm hmm. Right.
David Landsteiner (02:26.274)
Yeah.
They actually it's funny because it's I said they eat a hot dog But actually I've had multiple times where I've hooked up and I've lost them I don't know. It's kind of weird that deep water like when you're 40 50 feet down I'm using a heavier jigs and heavier rods and getting real good hip sets I mean just like wow that one's really stuck good and you get them like Sometimes you get them 10 or 15 20 feet up and they just get off. It's the weirdest thing I've never lost so many fish
I don't know what's contributing to that. I've solid hooks, solid hook sets. But other times, if you have them on, I've had them on for three, four seconds, they get off, they'll come back and hit it again. I had one hit three times.
Brian Bashore (03:08.313)
Jeez.
David Landsteiner (03:09.483)
Because it charges them up or something. They don't want that bait to get away, even though they just had a hook in their mouth. They don't care.
Brian Bashore (03:16.857)
They're big, they're hungry. That's, guess that happens when there's that many of them around. They're competing for the, competing for the bait. And don't want to miss a meal. So kind of like us sometimes, I mean, you've done good at missing a lot of meals. lost a lot of weight in the off season. it.
David Landsteiner (03:21.238)
Yeah, absolutely.
David Landsteiner (03:28.33)
Yeah, eating a lot of protein is my trick, I guess, is just emphasizing that protein and getting active.
Brian Bashore (03:36.031)
It's worked for you. We'll dive into it for folks that don't know. Dave, you're sitting in, I think you just said 17th or the Angler of the Year race, which is pretty good. You've had a pretty good season. We fished lacrosse together. that your top finish this year? Fifth finish 12th or something, or did you get it? All right. Yeah, you done a few MWCs this year with your boy. Had a good journey, but we want to, we're going to dive in all that stuff. But Dave's got the story of he is the token pro angler that went co2pro.
David Landsteiner (03:50.851)
on the NWT it was, yeah.
Brian Bashore (04:05.369)
That's what we're going to feature here. He's done it, done it the whole way. Let's just, let's go all the way back to who is Dave, what's Dave doing? He's not fishing. And then we'll get into when you started fishing the circuit.
David Landsteiner (04:16.364)
Yeah, I've actually done a lot of walks of life. I was an airline pilot when I was my younger days. actually got everything in life for me has changed due to a certain event. Like in 2008, when there was a little bit of recession happening, I was flying auto parts for GM and Ford, like charter business. And there was a downturn in the economy and I got laid off. And my full intention was to go back to flying once they, you you got busy again.
but I was sitting at home for about a year and I was bored. Always wanted to dabble into like a food concession business because I thought they made decent money. And I was right, it took a while to figure it all out, but I ended up doing that for a while. And I did so well and I was making so much money selling cheese curds and corn dogs and mini donuts and funnel cakes. And I had two trailers and a bunch of employees and it was just awesome. It was, cause I was working hard.
Brian Bashore (05:04.376)
All
David Landsteiner (05:12.533)
but probably 40 days a year and I would make as much as I could, you know, as an airline pilot. But it made zero sense for me to go back to fly because I had quality of life to go fishing and do the things that I wanted. So I declined the recall to go back and fly in the airlines. And now some of my buddies are making four or 500,000 a year flying international. like, I would have stuck with it. Maybe it would have been better. So I ended up doing the food concession business and became a realtor for a while.
Brian Bashore (05:33.049)
All right. Yeah.
David Landsteiner (05:42.429)
not big into like selling houses and doing the whole realtor thing. So I kind of stuck to the investment side, fixed a little few houses as rentals. I go to tax sales, are held pretty much at every municipality across the United States at some level. And I invest that way. But now when COVID happened, it shut down my business. Like all the fairs canceled. And I was like, okay, so what are we gonna do for income this year?
I'd always wanted to fish tournaments and I joined Jared Frederick's on the national Wally tour as a coangler just to, like he needed a travel partner and I was like, well, what a perfect opportunity. I have the summer off now. And I remember like, I think our first event was in Oconto. I fished with Tom Keenan and, I don't remember who the other guy was, but I got right off the bat. I was getting good draws and learning stuff right, right in the beginning.
So it was fun.
Brian Bashore (06:35.225)
There's good draws, make a big difference from having a good experience to not so good. Sometimes you pick, you know, a new guy or a local guy that is just jumping in for one, but doesn't have the whole, you know, you had Kenan. So you got, you know, legendary, you know, one of the biggest multi, you know, money winners out there. Um, there's, there's obviously different levels on the pro and there's nothing against the guys that just jump in for one here or there. They're good sticks too, but you're not getting the full travel experience. The, mean, the whole, the full package you got with Jared, think what Takasaki and
Sam or something that season. and that's what, that's where you really, that's, that's where you learn it all.
David Landsteiner (07:05.605)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (07:12.092)
that's I was hesitant to want to go to the pro side and some of the guys were like well when are gonna jump into the fire when are gonna do it and I'm like oh I'm still learning but you never stop learning you know you know it is like but when you have a spoon fed to you these guys that are showing you their program you like just be a sponge and just pick it up you know pick it all up a little bit from this guy a little bit from that guy maybe figure out something that a guy is doing that you don't like that's kind of what I did
Brian Bashore (07:38.275)
You just do it one season or two? Two seasons.
David Landsteiner (07:40.554)
I it two and then actually I did when I won that boat with McQuoid in 2021, the next season I was planning on going pro, but there was a delay. So I had to do the first event as a co. So two and a quarter years, I guess is what I did as a co.
Brian Bashore (07:57.177)
Yeah. I mean, Hoyer did it as a co he probably won the championship. I think as a co or co of the year, whatever it was, and then moved up. And I don't think a lot of people know that a lot of you guys have come through the system. I suppose you would call it, from the co-assign up to the pro side, but you learn a ton. get to travel with those guys. learn. Just there's more to it than just getting out on the water. mean, there's the evening, morning, nighttime meetings, right? Breaking it down.
David Landsteiner (08:06.217)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (08:26.765)
Travel the arrangements, the lodging, then you got the taste of the full expenses of it all as well.
David Landsteiner (08:32.742)
Yeah, and there's probably something to be said too, you know, we talked a little bit before the show about Different kind of co-english you never know what you're gonna get for experience level But if you're committing it if you're committing to the season and you're traveling with somebody There's a good chance that your pros gonna highly desire you Nothing against some of the guys that are local that want to jump into an event here and there that's fine But I just think you're gonna be more of an asset to your pro if you're gonna fully commit to a season
and learn across because you're going to learn and pre-fish too. You're going to go out and pre-fish with these guys and you're going to learn a bunch of stuff in the system. So when the tournament comes, you're not blindsided to be like, what are we doing? You your program might be different than your pro you pre-fished with, but you're going to have a good idea of like the geography and probably very good chance you're going to do the same exact thing.
Brian Bashore (09:20.621)
Yep. Yeah. It's a little different nowadays with the scope and obviously, and this year's showing it because the NWT is having a little bit of a problem getting the Coes to join. So I don't know if they had filled up for the Dunkirk event yet, but I think they ended up getting enough for here on last minute. What? think they're still short five or six for Dunkirk a couple of days ago. So eight. Yeah. So obviously I mean, it's a good time, obviously for local just to jump in. It's hard to beat lessons on the water.
David Landsteiner (09:29.223)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (09:39.517)
I think it was eight. Yeah.
Brian Bashore (09:49.217)
And I imagine the fallout this year, you tell me you're fishing them all. I only fished a couple. it scoping? Is that why these guys aren't signing up or is it just everything economy costs?
David Landsteiner (09:58.057)
Yeah, there's gotta be multi-factors. I'm sure cost plays a little bit of a role, but the scoping thing, know, and I think every guy, every pro handles the scoping thing a little different. Some of them, you know, have you, you know, prep the boat in the back, maybe do some fish care, maybe run some drags and trolling rods behind you while the guy's scoping up front. I'm trying to decide what I want to do out here for the, for my co-angler because I don't want it to become a liability. don't want.
There's so many smaller fish out here. If we're dragging spinners off the back and he's all tangled up in the motor or whatever it is, and I'm dealing with a 20-inch fish in the back where I'm not even casting to them up front, I don't want it to become a liability. The whole purpose is to have bonus rides to actually upgrade it. think you've got to look at every event and make a determination of what you think is the best for your co-hander to do.
Brian Bashore (10:32.205)
Yeah. Yep.
Brian Bashore (10:49.785)
Yeah. Cause that's, you no good to sit back there and just keep them busy catching little fish when you need, you know, to grab the net or take care of the fish or do this, do that. I mean, at that point it's you're hindered basically, you know, like I said, they get tangled up because you're up in the front and you're whipping that boat around. If they're not locked on in the back, you're getting stuck in the motor. It's pretty easy to drop a bottom bouncer mill back there and leave it. But when you take a 90 degree right turn, bam, it's getting stuck in your prop and, and then you're stopping your fishing.
David Landsteiner (11:02.138)
Right.
David Landsteiner (11:09.298)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (11:16.754)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (11:18.233)
So, and you got all sorts of problems. it's theoretically they're a Marshall. I think that they raised the price to 650 for the Co's this year. It was probably 300. I think when you got in it back then, wasn't it maybe. Was I going to go up five? Um, the pro cost went up, but it seems like it's always been such a long waiting list to get the Co's in and never an issue, or at least not much of an issue. Um, but now it's an issue. And I would say I, I get it. I fished, you know.
David Landsteiner (11:29.447)
Five, or I think 500.
Brian Bashore (11:45.827)
But John and did the NTC and two guys on one scope is not fun at all. It sucks. I mean, it was the least un-rewarding tournament I've ever fished in going, this is not fun. Cause you're just not, you're not fishing, but then again, we weren't, it worked and we tandem did a different, know, versus a guy in the back on a shuttle, which gives you a little bit of a shot, but it's still not remotely close to being, you know, up on the pedal and running it. It really worked well for us is to go one, two, and if you missed a cast, I made the cast and vice versa.
David Landsteiner (12:10.169)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (12:15.723)
And clearly it worked and you know, and you're not sometimes not catching as many fish, but that's because you're being picky and you're throwing at the ones you want, which is, know, that's, that's tournament day. you listen to Chris Aldean talk about his not so good season and the, and the sports psychologist breaking it down saying, do you want to win or you want to have fun? He's like, well, I want to win. He's like, she's like, them, there you go. You need to embrace this and do it, you know, cause he doesn't like it. You know, he was like, I'm not bad at it. I can do it, but I just, I want to do it this way. He's like, that's great. But just accept the fact that.
David Landsteiner (12:17.304)
Yep.
David Landsteiner (12:39.799)
Yeah. Yeah.
Brian Bashore (12:46.329)
You may have fun, but you're not going to win. So you want to win or you want to have fun? Now you could do both. Winning is fun. It's go put as fun, but you just got to, sometimes you gotta be a little more patient. You'll hear it all the time at a tournament, you know, or Tom went or even do he's like, only got six bites all day, you know, but they're, they're the right ones. Cause those are the only ones you threw at, know, we did the same thing at NTC. So we didn't catch a lot of fish, but we got pretty much all the right ones. Cause those were the ones we even casted at. So, and you've been doing it you got the scope and thing locked on them.
David Landsteiner (13:01.736)
Correct.
David Landsteiner (13:10.102)
Yeah.
Yeah, getting better. You know, I am still learning. You know, every situation where you're fishing in 20 feet or I'm fishing in 75 feet of water, the scale, you know how it is, the scale or the aspect ratio always changes. sizing up the fish is a big, the fish look different when you're down 40, 50 feet and you're like, that's a small fish. But you're like, well, wait a minute. look at the scale.
Brian Bashore (13:14.423)
That's exactly what you're doing out there in Dunkirk, I'm sure, right?
Brian Bashore (13:34.199)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (13:39.321)
It's a long ways away. Yeah.
David Landsteiner (13:41.083)
They might be little bigger than I thought. like, you don't want to overlook stuff. You you catch a few, you get an idea that that's my whole goal is to just to try to match that mark size with what it actually was and just be like, nope, nope, yep, okay, you know.
Brian Bashore (13:54.681)
And you're a dairy. the odds are most of them are walleye. So it's, you know, I mean, yeah, you did. saw that on your story. That's a, they do, you know, they'll graph a little bit like a walleye too, obviously, Right.
David Landsteiner (13:58.469)
Yeah, I did catch a big giant catfish again though.
It looked like a 14 pound walleye honestly, because it was like that magenta color and I was like, man, I was like, and I chased it and it was like, it was moving fast. Like I was going like high speed on him, like I'm following you. I kept casting and then he kept getting away for it and I like cast 20 feet past him. But you know, I was using a heavy like literally three quarter ounce jig and getting it down and sure enough he turned on it. was like, right when I set the hook, was like, oh man, was like, this is not a walleye.
Brian Bashore (14:14.649)
Error.
Brian Bashore (14:31.385)
This is not a walleye. That's tough. And you're on the same thing. I those fish are moving so fast. And when you're fishing that deep, you really got to overshoot because by the it gets down, even though you the bell open, let it drop, it's still coming back towards you a little bit.
David Landsteiner (14:45.627)
Well, was actually the current, know, I don't have a ton of experience out here with these currents, getting better, but I was casting before the fish, like, especially if the fish are moving towards you just a little bit, you say the fish is at 40 feet, I'm casting at like 30 feet. And I'm like, well, you know, the currents taking it out away from the boat and the fish is maybe moving towards me into the current, like, it's just crazy.
Brian Bashore (14:55.587)
No, Okay.
Brian Bashore (15:03.916)
Yep, yep.
Brian Bashore (15:08.377)
So it's timing it and figuring it out. Of course, it's going to change on wind and which way you're facing whatever, but I mean, that's why you pre-fish. You figure those things out you're like, all right, I know what's doing this. I'm going to go here. I'm going to short cast it or vice versa. I got to get on the other side of them. And I mean, that's, that's scoping. That's, it's literally adjusting on the fly and it's going to change kind of every day. And you know, it's not always.
David Landsteiner (15:13.339)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (15:28.038)
It changes by the second. The other day I was out there, it was really nice and the currents were flowing a certain way and then all of the wind switched and it picked up 5, 10, it wasn't even much. everything changed the way the currents were because the top current was probably changing right away but the bottom currents were going a different way.
Brian Bashore (15:46.329)
All right. Yeah. Deep waters, deep water is tricky. I don't like fishing deep, for a lot of reasons, but that's, that's not one of them, but that, falls into suit as it's a, it's way different when you get even like 50 feet, you know, maybe even 40 feet so much. can really feel it. was digging today and the upper twenties and the client was like, wait, there's current currents ripping. We've had just days and days of rain. So the river's pushing some stuff, but quarter ounce jig. I'm like, yeah, it's yeah, you're on the old river channel right there and it's grabbing it.
You know, trying to fish vertical, but it's on the other side of the boat. I'm like, yeah, you're on the, you're on the edge and the river, you're catching all that current. So I moved the boat up a little bit further, got him up on top of the edge and it was fine. I'm like, yeah, current, current, something you got to adjust for. And this is tricky. It takes practice. Um, I mean, those are things that Coe's can pick up. Obviously that's kind of the stuff they need to pay attention when they're in a boat with the pros. I mean, why are you doing this? It's okay to ask questions. I'm not, I'm usually want to say, I don't talk a lot.
David Landsteiner (16:19.523)
Yeah. Yeah.
David Landsteiner (16:31.077)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (16:45.529)
If ask me stuff, I'm probably not going to answer you. I'm just focused, but we got a long drive to and from a lot of times or, but I mean, something like that's common. I'd like, yeah, you know, just pay attention to this. This is why I'm doing whatever. And I mean, that this is time to learn.
David Landsteiner (16:46.724)
Well.
David Landsteiner (16:58.114)
Yeah, I would I would say to some of the code that may be listening to this is that especially if you're not a scoper yourself I had a guy that he's never scoped before and I'm getting you know I'm in these conditions where I'm trying to make that perfect cast and he's asking me something like who who paints your baits or you know who and I'm like I'm trying to like literally focus right here and just be aware of like what's happening and you're out you're a team out there, know, so
Brian Bashore (17:22.425)
Yeah, I give them a little pep talk for our hand. not in a small talk, all this kind of stuff. We can do that before when you're getting ready to go or when we get done. But when it's, we, go out there, this is blinders are honest businesses focus. I'm just not a lot of talking usually. And it's not, it's it's not personal. I especially when you're scoping, you got it. You're really locked in and you're focused. And for those guys that aren't or they're learning, just come up and watch, look over your shoulder. You'll get out of your way or whatever you're casting. Right. Stay over.
David Landsteiner (17:33.368)
Business.
David Landsteiner (17:38.638)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (17:51.469)
You know, whatever, just look, unless your screen's hooked to the, you know, the graph on the back, you know, that's what Tom Wynn is always telling them to sit down and just watch it. You know, watch the bait, see what I'm doing, how I'm working it. You know, it's 650 bucks sign up as a co. Nothing, you know, it's two days on the water training. That's pretty good. I said, you can just download the Tom Wynn University and stay at home at your comfort for two or 300 bucks and try it as well. But it's really hard to beat. Do both really do that prior than get on the water, you know, and.
David Landsteiner (17:59.845)
Yep.
David Landsteiner (18:20.664)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (18:21.325)
draw one of these, you know, Dave or any of the pros and just watch the guys take it all in. a lot of guys are putting the shuttles in the back of the boat, you know, allowing guys who do that. It's still, you know, I I've done it I said, if you're on something, let me know, but I'm not looking back there and I have no idea and I'm just going to keep going. But if you got one chasing a holler at me, so I don't whip the boat, you know, or pull your bait off it quick. a couple of times they're like, yeah, I'm good. No problem. But you know, this year's different. So.
David Landsteiner (18:47.841)
Yeah, that. That could be a big challenge. I could see you know, especially in deeper water where you know he says he's on something, but is it the right mark? And then are you wasting time waiting for him to get the button? You know it's it's going to be challenged.
Brian Bashore (18:56.397)
Yeah.
When you're on, on something in that deep of water, this is going to take a little while. So it's like, okay. And I'm not going to go back there and look at, yeah, you don't, you don't know. So like you said, you know, that if you got a guy that signed up for all season and now you're at the end of the season. So he's got, you know, three tournaments underneath the belt could be different. I've had a guy that didn't have for all of them, but it was the first tournament. So it really hasn't had a lot of that practice. Unless it's their second or third year. Um, but by now they got it.
David Landsteiner (19:03.757)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (19:21.686)
Yeah, that's it.
Brian Bashore (19:25.123)
Probably pretty figured out and they've they've experienced the scope in one way or the other, even though the first couple of tournaments wasn't too too heavy in it. But you're like here on was and Dunkirk clearly will be, but trolling obviously being played too. So I think they just gotta be patient, understand what they're getting into and understand that you're signing up to, to learn. would hope that's why you're doing it. you know,
David Landsteiner (19:30.243)
Absolutely.
David Landsteiner (19:45.563)
Yeah, I will say I do have a couple if I can get a good read on somebody and they're a kid or not even anybody not just a kid but they're really good at scoping I can tell that they've spent a lot of time doing it I'll have them in the front with me casting especially if there's two pods of fish one left right you get these I'll get these and It worked in Alpina. We had I think our 22 pound bag in the first two hours and we both contributed to that casting
Brian Bashore (20:10.211)
Yeah, you can.
David Landsteiner (20:10.467)
Like you said, you missed a cast and you got somebody following up for it, know, it's more efficient for him to get the cast versus you reel it all the way in, you know.
Brian Bashore (20:18.061)
Yep. Yep. Nope. It does work and you can tell, and there's a ton of the Co's could definitely be on the pro side. I mean, just because you're on it doesn't mean you're not at the other learning. I never did it. jumped right in and did horrible, but I'd never been to any of those fisheries. You know, first time to Erie, first time here, first time to all these places, you know, and then the next year went from averaging 120th to 24th, you know, and cash them checks and add a top three, four or whatever it was. And I'm like, man, I didn't.
sucked the first year, but sure learned a lot. It would have been a lot cheaper to learn it on the co-side, the pro side, but also control freak. So would have been a pain in the ass on the coast. I've been like, why, what are you doing that for? Why are we doing this? You know, or whatever, or like, man, but I'm sure I still would have learned a ton no matter who I, I drew by all means, but that's what it really was, was learning those, all those new bodies of water. Never, you know, you don't just, a lot of people don't go to a lot of those places just randomly, you know, every year. Um, good experience, but I think it was only 300 bucks back then.
David Landsteiner (20:51.384)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (21:07.725)
Right.
David Landsteiner (21:15.797)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Bashore (21:16.249)
And, uh, that's back when we bring a co or co signed up with you. He was guaranteed entry worked pretty good and see why they got away from it. Cause it kind of kept new guys from getting in. Cause everybody kind of had their, their people, but you also didn't have a shortage of coasts, but so it goes both ways.
David Landsteiner (21:31.232)
Yeah, I like to see that come back again because there should be an incentive too and it helps with costs and.
Brian Bashore (21:37.752)
Yeah, big time.
Then you knew you got a guy committed for the season or maybe two of them are going to, one guy's going to fish two and other guys are going to fish you the two, the cases, but you planned, you got that vacation. You know, you're getting a house versus a hotel or whatever you got, you know, who's coming when they're coming. And, and then you know what your costs are. Yeah. I made everything was a little cheaper a few years ago, but, I think that's obviously a contributing factor this year as well. The cost went up for the coast cost for the pros. Fuel doesn't come down much.
If the entries are lower, the payouts are lower. It's just, it's snowballs and it just kind of sucks. So, but that's, you're not, mean, everybody wants to win and wants to win money, but we're fishing it for a lot more than just that. So the top payout is still the same and that's what everybody's chasing. that's what everybody keeps going. Cause I'm not fishing for these. I'm happy to leave with these if I don't get it, but this is, you know, the tops, goal.
David Landsteiner (22:20.736)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (22:32.364)
Yeah. the way I see it too is it's a constant climb, you like you put that time in the water, you're going to get better. If you put more time in the water and it's just a race, you know, with the scoping and things because anybody can, I think a lot of guys can scope pretty well right now. Now do it in tougher weather conditions, you know, because that's what it comes down to. I was going to say that to get better. Like I've been trying to put myself in that weather, you know.
Brian Bashore (22:51.405)
Yeah. Yep.
David Landsteiner (23:01.708)
free the currents and whatever else.
Brian Bashore (23:02.093)
Yep. I did that last year. I'm like, this is not a day I would go fishing when I had a day off from guiding, but I'm like, it's crap. Yep. I'm going to go. And I'd go put the rain suit on and go scope and, know, and just even like three footers, you know, you're like, but it's just, it's might not catch anything, but you're learning boat control because Govan's really boat control, you know, and getting that thing, getting it set, getting in position, understanding the wind and now the current and your situation when you're fishing that deep and then, all right, I can't get it down there.
David Landsteiner (23:22.666)
Absolutely.
Brian Bashore (23:31.513)
Obviously you need a heavier weight winds blowing. mean, there's so many factors or a different type of line, a thinner diameter. There's a lot of variables go to it. So finding them and looking at them and it's flat calm, pretty easy for everybody in a sense somewhat. Um, but then there's still the cadence and obviously, you know, getting them to Biden, getting the right presentation. did it Monday. I went out and scoped with a jig and crawler and just crushed them. And I haven't been able to crush them on the Lewis and Clark area because they don't suspend their more bottom, but they were, they had to be hovered. had to get them up about a foot and you really just had to.
David Landsteiner (23:46.531)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (24:01.529)
hold it and work it like you would have Francis case. And then you'd feel it. And then he just fed it and wham. And I got 20 of them next day. Not so much had a limit, you know, and got three quick. Then it was one here and one there. And they just, the old catfish started showing up, you know, tricky. And then I'm like, well, this is great. But my guide clients can't do this. But I had some kids, a couple of guys yesterday and showed them and, and they got some, but yeah, it's like, this is kind of a one-man sport guys, but.
David Landsteiner (24:03.153)
Yeah. Yeah.
next.
David Landsteiner (24:13.121)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (24:29.227)
Here here's where they're all at. There's enough to start throwing you're going to catch them, you know, and they did but
David Landsteiner (24:33.078)
Yep, yep. It's really fun to play that keep away game when you see that interaction that fish turn on your bait and you're like, he sees it. Now it's time to get act like he's getting away and just it's so fun to see the fish interact on live scope out here on eerie because
Sometimes they see it and it's already choked before you can even move it. Like they came up and just inhale it. Other times they want to check it out, but you're like, you don't want them to check it out. You're like, nope, keep going and speed it up. that's when it's just so fun to see them in compete mode and all that stuff.
Brian Bashore (24:53.123)
Yep.
Brian Bashore (25:04.217)
Yeah. They, uh, Monday when I was out, was everyone that reacted to it. caught if they moved on it, I caught them. Otherwise. And then Tuesday, some moved and they didn't, they were doing the whole bump it with their nose or sniff it, you know, and then later in the afternoon, they were shooting up as it was dropping down. just went, you know, and the line was slack. I'm like, Oh, okay. Now they're, know, and that could have just been time of day feed window. I'm like, well, that's a little bit of a different attitude than they had this morning. And that's, that's fun.
David Landsteiner (25:30.354)
Absolutely.
Brian Bashore (25:31.649)
Francis Case, you were there of the NTC. They weren't like that so much. It was a lot of...eh.
David Landsteiner (25:36.222)
There were certain days like, you know, couple days before pre-fish where they were like that. They were choking stuff pretty good. And then I don't know if it was just I was there at the right time of day or whatever, but that day too, for me anyways, was completely different. We were done. We were the first, actually, Bo Schilling, he came in like an hour or two after us. I think we were back at like 10, 30 in the morning. We didn't even get to fish the full day one.
Brian Bashore (26:02.297)
It sucks, but it's a good problem. That usually means, alright, I had a good day. Yeah, because you were sitting in, I think, first for a while there, weren't you, with 16-something pounds?
David Landsteiner (26:10.657)
Yeah, think, I don't know if it was like fifth or something or something like that, but it felt pretty good for a day, but it's always the story of the one day and then.
Brian Bashore (26:17.177)
I know I, cause yeah, we came in and they knocked you down, like I said, was, it's good for a day that it was third and then it was fifth. Then, you know, and I was like, I have bows on my tail. He's got to go up and sure as hell kids good. So, uh, good tournament, fun time. You started this year at sharp. had a pretty good tournament there, I believe too, right?
David Landsteiner (26:36.2)
Yep, we went to sharp and I tried to scope like everybody else and I was only getting three, four fish a day. I did find, I think some of the guys went into the channel, Seawarding lives back there on some back channel area and went back in there and I ended up catching a six pounder and pre-fish. And so I got out there right away and I just, I felt like that bite wasn't going to last. But I do think that a few bigger fish were caught back in there during the tournament. I decided to.
Completely abandon scoping altogether and troll and try to go conservative. Especially with the first event, I didn't want to fall way down and play catch up the rest of year. I just really thought that was the best bet to bring in 10 fish over the two days. And it was pretty easy to do really, just with the trolling program.
Brian Bashore (27:22.893)
Yeah, I wish I would have done one of my trolling programs more and just filtered through fish all day long. Cause I mean, you could have caught tons of them. Instead I didn't, I don't think I even brought in five one day because I didn't and I disabandoned them because they were small and I got tired of throwing them. I'm like 15 inches aren't going to do you any good. So, and they wouldn't and I wasn't shooting for points. So I guess I don't regret that none because they weren't going to do me any good.
David Landsteiner (27:47.072)
Yeah, we had a couple casting places after we got our limit on both days. You know where the checkpoint was there where that stone point rolled right across from there. There was another little point and I didn't know how many other guys knew about it, but I had caught like a 19 inch sawger there and the day before the tournament and I caught a 19 and half inch walleye there. was, you know, that's huge out there at 19 and half inch walleye. So on day one, that helped us out a lot. And then on day two,
I had one on the same size and it got off and that would have probably put a top 10. That's how tight the weights were. And I hit it early because I figured guys would try to hit it right before they come in. And so I hit it like, I know, 1.30, two o'clock before that, trying to think that I could get the fish fresh.
Brian Bashore (28:20.006)
yeah, yep.
Brian Bashore (28:32.045)
Yep, before they got all the boats blasting over them. Then we went over to, where do we go, La Crosse?
Yep, you and I fished that. That was, you got good finish there. Good tournament.
David Landsteiner (28:45.535)
Yeah, little bit of a gamble, but we did there, but it paid off.
Brian Bashore (28:48.141)
Yeah, we took a big, big, totally different game plan. We didn't catch crap and pull hate really. I mean, as far as overs.
David Landsteiner (28:55.987)
We missed that. There was lot of bites in the wind dams that we missed, you know, and I don't know if it was, you know, every time I went by a good wind dam it seemed like there was guys on it and pre-fish on eight.
Brian Bashore (29:05.4)
There was because there was and everywhere we finished, I caught them and never nothing good. mean, nothing worth like staying there. didn't mean, it have a lot of confidence in the pool to begin with, but yeah, they were there. You just had to work it with those little cats a little bit, a little bit harder, I think.
David Landsteiner (29:12.052)
Right.
David Landsteiner (29:16.617)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (29:20.775)
And in our pre-fish, you know, we had seen how many good unders were coming up. They're not very far down was the DeSoto area or whatever. You know, unfortunately that didn't really pay off in the tournament, but they before that they were in there pretty good. yeah, that was like just all about time thing. You who cares if you got to go down an hour down there, if you can get them in 30 minutes.
Brian Bashore (29:27.289)
All right.
Brian Bashore (29:35.033)
and get them quick.
Brian Bashore (29:43.065)
Yeah, cause that's about what it was. And they were like all 19 and a half inch fish. And then you knew the potential for those 27 to 30 inches were down there because you got one. So then I had one that was an inch, inch and a half short on day one from making the mark. So not, not too far from where you got your big one. And then the trolling pattern that I said, Hey, this is phenomenal. This is easy to clean up your bag with. Of course, that didn't work for me on day one, but it worked for you on day two. So.
David Landsteiner (29:51.486)
All right, yep.
David Landsteiner (30:07.71)
probably wind or currents or something. They were just there. mean, it was quick work. know, and that's whole thing of us working together and that team thing is I'd never fished that before and I did exactly what, you know, you trusted it, you trusted the program and it paid off, you know.
Brian Bashore (30:10.913)
Yeah, I don't... Yeah, it's an easy, easy deal.
Brian Bashore (30:25.593)
Yep. Yeah. I've been fishing that little trolling program down there for years and it just, it works. And I caught some there on that first day, but just not, not as fast. So I kind of abandoned them and went, it. If they're not going to get these ones, we'll go get, we'll try to chase a big one again. And then just ran out of time. But you know, the guys that went locked up in seven had issues that too, and they didn't get down and that kind of jazz, but we had pretty good weather and that guy stayed up in pool eight day two, which kind of sucks. Cause I said, no matter where I go, I'm going to be in somebody's wake. I didn't fish up here on the first day, except on this one day marker.
David Landsteiner (30:40.999)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (30:55.385)
they had to wait for the, you know, the barge and sure as hell you go there and then you got people pissed that you're there. It's like, it doesn't matter where I go. I'm trying to stay away. Just come ask me. I'll move. I'll go park on the shore. I don't give a crap. I'm ready to get my five fish and go home. I'm out of it. But you know, but that new first two fish are 24, 22 inches. You're like, all right, we got, you know, the co-englers, they needed points. He's trying to make the championship. So we got to fish, you know, it's river fishing.
David Landsteiner (30:55.387)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (31:09.848)
Right.
David Landsteiner (31:20.059)
Yeah, it's hard to give up. If you feel like you're not in it to win it or whatever, it's hard to give up on day two. You just got to go out and fish and do your thing,
Brian Bashore (31:29.273)
Yeah, just use it as I'm like, you're out of it. And then I told the guy, like, we're going be in some of the way, no matter where we go. I was like, I'm out of it. So I don't, it doesn't matter to me, but let's just go, you know, get some fish for your points. And then we'll just go hunt around and learn some stuff for next time when you come down there, you know, or just learn new river things and whatever. And I'm like, we'll go here. Cause I fished here yesterday and I know there's some fish. I don't know if they're big fish. I didn't really catch any big fish practice. We can catch others. And of course, first two fish are both overs. I'm like,
David Landsteiner (31:55.165)
Thank
Brian Bashore (31:56.857)
Huh? I guess they are here and then find out other big fish got there too. like, all righty. But yeah, like I said, there was fish all over big ones that we missed and some didn't have to go very far, but Mississippi river is always fun. Good time. Good tournament. We, uh, we got a lot of fish here. had pretty, I think the weather's always decent there cause you don't have worry about the wind so much, which makes it way better than where you're at right now.
David Landsteiner (32:16.271)
Right. Well, it's the forecast looks good for out here. It's just I think the system is done and my, I will see if the next system.
holds off till after the tournament or not, but it's going to be a stretch of good weather of five to ten miles an hour wind every day. I mean, the pre-fish I had out here, the flies, when the flies are biting you, you know it's not very windy. That's the bad part.
Brian Bashore (32:36.803)
Perfect.
Brian Bashore (32:42.231)
Yep. Yep. Then you went over to here on, do you make the run at here on? Do you make a long run?
David Landsteiner (32:48.158)
No, so in here on I was working with David Cole of just for that event and he had found a bite down by Port Austin, which is like a 70 mile run I think And he was it was lights out and three four pounders, know, like probably take the hour to get them and But I'd also found those fish near takeoff and I really didn't want to go down there because I wanted to maximize fishing time But the problem was is it was inconsistent you go there one day
and catch them. And then the next day I go in there and I couldn't see anything. And I look around, I said, they gotta be in the bay here somewhere. Like which way is the wind blowing? Where's the warm water at? you know, let's go look for these things. And I would just have good days where it was like lights out and then other days where it was like, I don't know what's going on here. But on that day one, when I said we had our bag pretty quick, we were just using blade baits.
And the fish were everywhere. When I put the scope down, there was literally, you didn't have to go very far. And everybody was catching them and I could see them. They were a couple feet off the bottom. And then as about 10 a.m., those fish started swimming down and not being as suspended anymore. But when they did so, and I don't know what my, gotta see if my settings can be changed, but it's like they disappeared. Like they go to the bottom and they would go belly down into the silt or whatever.
Brian Bashore (34:12.695)
That is belly.
David Landsteiner (34:14.404)
And was kind of a fuzzy bottom and I try to play with the game. I try to play with all the settings to see if I can pick up any kind of movement, but I don't know. Maybe those fish are, we're just always there. And you were just, you just couldn't see him. You're just going over it. Cause I mean, you got the warm water coming out of the river right there. You know, there's a channel that came through there. So, yeah, the wind can blow a little bit, but I think those fish would just go down and you just would miss them even, even with live scope.
Brian Bashore (34:24.675)
And you just couldn't see him.
Yeah. Yeah.
Brian Bashore (34:42.169)
Yeah, that's, mean, a of times you can see a little movement, but I've had them even just last couple of days. I'm like, they're there. I just, they just disappeared, you know, and you maybe see the bottom looks like this, but obviously if you can see it moving, then you know, they're, they're creeping, but sometimes Francis case, cause it's cleaner water and here on real clean water, they just don't graph very well when they're that, that tight side image, you can kind of pick them up sometimes a little streaks, it's been a little with the subsurface is or the bottom surfaces. Yeah. Like said, if it was a little silty and they belly down, of course those fish are a lot bigger, but.
David Landsteiner (34:58.427)
you
David Landsteiner (35:07.548)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (35:13.777)
I don't know. That's why you practice, right? That's why you pre-fit.
David Landsteiner (35:16.796)
Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, in day two, it was tougher conditions and everybody kind of said the same thing that they had been pressured in the area. But I also wasn't seeing, I was probably seeing 10 % of the fish that I'd seen on day one. The fish that I did catch, not even, were, I went to a windmow, just played my gut and went to a windblown area and caught like a couple of fish over there. And that was, that was all we got. So.
Brian Bashore (35:42.083)
That's tough. Then you, went to MWC with your boy right after that, right? Made a knock or green Bay or something.
David Landsteiner (35:47.483)
Yep. Yeah, we figured we were going to be rolling through and saw that in the schedule. I told my boy, said, well, I said, we did okay at Pete and well, I think we got like 21st there and out of the money, but decent points. I said, if we do good here at, um, at beta knock, we're to have to fish cast late because that's the last event and you got to fish three and qualify for the championship. So we had our, our, our hope set on that. Um, it was awesome being out there with him. found some absolute mega schools of walleyes up.
Brian Bashore (35:57.665)
yeah, he did.
David Landsteiner (36:17.307)
Both Big Bay to Nock and then just south of kind of by the Ford River area. just some absolute massive schools of fish that were all like eight to 10 pounders. we went to the NWT place in Big Bay to Nock and we saw a lot of those weed fish. think Austin Thomas was out there fishing and caught some on death jigs and stuff. But if you could find those mega schools, it was silly.
Brian Bashore (36:28.345)
Jesus.
David Landsteiner (36:44.891)
I mean, you could probably, if you stay on the schools, you could probably catch 20, 30 of them, you know, big overs.
Brian Bashore (36:50.329)
Well, that place is full of them.
David Landsteiner (36:52.315)
What's funny? Yeah, we we went to we decided to get to our unders first because I thought maybe they'd be harder and I didn't know how many under spots were out there because there was like, well, the unders are going to be hard. So I was like, well, let's go.
Brian Bashore (37:03.417)
What are the slots up there? I know it's different Little Bay and Big Bay.
David Landsteiner (37:06.843)
22 or 23, I think it's 23 inches. So you get, weigh three under 23 and two over.
Brian Bashore (37:14.497)
It's still big.
David Landsteiner (37:15.705)
But 22 and 7 eighths is your perfect under.
Brian Bashore (37:19.161)
All right, still big fish.
David Landsteiner (37:21.273)
Yeah. Yeah. And so we went down there and we caught a few unders and stuff, but we ended up catching our overs in our under spot.
Brian Bashore (37:30.02)
It's all right. It's a good problem. As long as you can still find the others.
David Landsteiner (37:31.707)
Yeah, one of them I didn't even see him. Yeah, we got a unicorn like 29 out of some rocks. I was like, Oh, that fishy. And just threw it and just like, Oh, got one. And it was, know, it's one of those things where I had, I'd already had an over in. So as soon as I set the hook, I handed it to my son. I was like, all right, it's yours. He uses your fish. And I landed it. I was like, I'm so glad that worked out. You know, he got the big fish. Yeah.
Brian Bashore (37:54.861)
You're like, all right, guess we don't have to go way up wherever we're going to go.
David Landsteiner (38:01.017)
Yeah, it was nice. yeah, we, think we were one fish short on day one even. We didn't even get our third under. We got one of our unders on a weed bite near takeoff and we had lost probably three or four fish too. I can't really explain why. A couple of times you'd have them off the bottom and they would just pop off the blade bait. And we were dealing with a lot of moss on the bottom. So sometimes you get a couple flutters and they either
get them right away, by the fourth or fifth one, you're already picking up grass and you can feel the vibration stop. You're like, all right, well, that's over with.
Brian Bashore (38:35.801)
It's not working out. So you got, what'd you finish on that one? Are you going to Castle Lake?
David Landsteiner (38:41.268)
yeah, we got ninth on that one. So it was nice. Yeah, we, think I, the way I see it, I think the top is at the top 35 and points to make the championship. we're like 37 after two events or something like that. So.
Brian Bashore (38:43.82)
Yeah, I you.
Brian Bashore (38:54.297)
Is it 35? I it used to be 40, but maybe they changed it.
David Landsteiner (38:57.4)
Yeah, I got some premier. I think if you're of a premier team or something, I don't know, but I think we just gotta catch a fish and get some points. OK, one fish.
Brian Bashore (39:01.474)
Brian Bashore (39:08.003)
Probably.
should be all right, Casper. That's one of the, I fished there a couple of times. Fun, fun lake. No, it's Minnesota one rod stuff, you use that living over there. So it'll be fine. Yeah.
David Landsteiner (39:18.586)
Yeah, clear water it sounds like. I don't think I've ever fished cast in my life, so it'll be nice to crack a new body of water.
Brian Bashore (39:25.273)
I think there's I think it's Pike Bay that's connected to it. If you go underneath the bridge, if you can get underneath the bridge, if the water is high, you ain't getting underneath the bridge. Cause your boat won't fit. Um, I know when I went, just, I like, it like this to the bridge and push through and get your motor all the way down. I've seen guys like have to, you know, trim your motor all the way down. If you got power poles on. Yeah. With those, may not be able to go underneath. Yeah. You might not be able to go underneath the bridge now with those back then, nobody had those hardly. So now you might not.
David Landsteiner (39:39.748)
Cheers.
David Landsteiner (39:48.238)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (39:53.388)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (39:53.795)
I don't know. Water's low. may not be a problem. Who knows? It's been a long time since I've been there, but it was fun. I got him jigging, wrapping, caught him rigging chubs. that was all pretty scope, you know, when you would find one on 2D and then throw back at it. So yeah, exactly. Right. Imagine now you'd be like, this is great. So I'm here. We're going, slamming on it, foot in reverse. then just throwing that thing down real hard and pop, pop crack, you know, and real right in front of somebody else too. And I'm like, yeah, it is crazy talk.
David Landsteiner (40:06.208)
Yeah, that's crazy talk right there.
Brian Bashore (40:23.445)
Use that 2d sonar stuff, but yeah. Yep. No. It was, I yeah. The scope into it's fun game. If you can, once you get it figured out and get it working for you. So that's a good, good season. Dunkirk coming up. Good luck out there. That should be fun. minus the two day drive to get there, but you did it right. Leave a night, break it up a little bit. I was, coming home from Yankton on Tuesday. I think it was Zell. saw heading down the interstate.
David Landsteiner (40:25.593)
Yeah, you use the tools that you're given, right? That's what you had. That was a huge improvement.
Brian Bashore (40:53.433)
know it's a lot of guys are leaving early. Cause I'm like, yeah, you got an extra, extra day.
David Landsteiner (40:54.005)
my god. All their Instagrams, all the Instagrams stuck in traffic of Chicago or Chattanooga or whatever they go.
Brian Bashore (41:00.269)
Yep. Yeah, don't try not to hit that play set between three and seven, basically. Stay away.
David Landsteiner (41:07.053)
Yeah, when I, when we're done here, I'll drive, I'll drive until I get, on the north side of Chicago. And there's a couple of truck stops. I'll pull over about 1 AM and conk out for three, four hours and then keep going.
Brian Bashore (41:19.255)
Yep. That's the way to do it. don't know if people realize how much sleeping in a truck we do on the road. Sometimes in our pickups are like semi trucks where you got a sleeper. You lay that seat back or crawl the whatever the case. It's not comfy. It hurts my back and I cramp up, but tossing and turning.
David Landsteiner (41:31.382)
Yeah. I forgot to, I forgot to bring a blanket and a pillow. That would have been wonders for me on this last one. So.
Brian Bashore (41:39.225)
Yeah, well hit a Walmart on your way home and grab a little pillow and a $5 blanket and you'll be fine. Cause it's going to be cool. Cool down at night a little bit, but it's almost good truck sleeping weather right now. know, sixties, you don't gotta turn on every hour to cool down for a minute or nothing. You're just, it's good. It's not good when you're out camping at 90 to a hundred degrees. You're like, yeah, I've done that too. Cause the storm rolled in and blew your tent over and you're crammed in the truck. Like I gotta let it run. Cause it's so hot. It's 90 degrees of this thing. So.
David Landsteiner (41:55.648)
Right?
David Landsteiner (42:06.091)
I know.
Brian Bashore (42:08.525)
So that all sucks. What, what, what advice could you, you got for the Co's Lincoln to move up to the pro side? And we already give them quite a bit of stuff, but what are some more things you can think of? They need to know where they should try.
David Landsteiner (42:21.592)
Yeah, I would, I kind of touched on earlier is try to pick up something new, obviously, from everybody you're fishing with and be a sponge. Kind of like, I would say I kind of feel bad. I already have like a bad memory remembering names, but I'll have guys come up to me and they're like, say, Hey, remember this? And I'll be like, jog my memory again, because you know how it is on that day that when we take off and do our tournaments, we're so locked into fishing.
that afterwards you say your goodbyes and see you down the trail or whatever. then six to eight months go by later and I'm like, I recognize their face, but you got to remind me. And it's nothing personal. I feel bad because a lot of times I'll add them on Facebook so at least I can remember, okay, this is the guy I fish with and there's just so many guys out there that that's the wonderful thing is you meet so many people and you make these connections and it's
Brian Bashore (42:58.723)
I don't know any other names. So I don't know any of them.
David Landsteiner (43:18.005)
This whole business is all about connections. You know, who you meet and who you resonate with.
Brian Bashore (43:20.119)
Yep. Yep. Yeah. I've had a lot of, a lot of good ones and same thing. I recognize a familiar face where they'll come up and say something too, but there are some I've talked to, or they, you know, said something, you know, on Facebook. And I'm like, I don't, I don't, I don't know what I ever fished with that person. I have no idea who he is. I can't find a tournament. can't find a tournament photo, but he sure has, has got a lot of crap to say or something like that. like, I don't even know who you are, man. don't know, but whatever. So I'm like, I don't, I don't, I don't deny it. So.
David Landsteiner (43:35.734)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (43:43.638)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (43:49.305)
It's a, yeah, it's a, but, know, but then there's also some ones I'm like that guy was solid. Boom. I program him into the phone. I'm like, all right, he's there. Cause there's some that are like, yeah, next time, you were ever traveling, you want to jump in and pre-fish for a day. Cause I've met a few that come and just kind of do their own thing or they come early and that's kind of their family vacation. Maybe they, you know, they bring their camper. I'm like, yeah, you're welcome to jump in any time. You know, you're, you're good to go. But then there's other ones that you can tell her to learn it. And I'm cool with taking some of them out, but let's, if you want to learn.
David Landsteiner (43:57.015)
Mm-hmm.
David Landsteiner (44:05.141)
Mm-hmm.
David Landsteiner (44:10.871)
That's it.
Brian Bashore (44:19.161)
Come practice. Let's not do it on tournament day. That's if we got our learning.
David Landsteiner (44:23.948)
Right, so that's the way that's when you have your conversations your long conversations in the boat as in pre fish.
Brian Bashore (44:28.921)
Yeah. So yeah, I agree. A hundred percent that travel do lock in for all four tournaments or however many there is or whatever the future holds with that circuit. And, that definitely gives you let the pros know that, yeah, I've done them all. Cause I'm sure every pro asks that question. you done this your first time you've done this before? And I mean, I mean, always, Hey, is this your, you know, and they're like, yeah, yeah, it was my second year I've done, you know, whatever. And you're like, okay, good.
David Landsteiner (44:49.931)
Well.
Yeah, and you know, that's the other thing too. I'll feel them out right away because I said, don't take offense because I don't, I've never met you before. don't, obviously I don't know your netting abilities. I don't know your casting abilities. I don't know if you've lives go. So if I try to fuel you out, I'm not trying to give you the, I'm not trying to like do anything besides just prepare what I need to do for us to be successful. You know?
Brian Bashore (45:00.536)
Yep.
Brian Bashore (45:13.293)
Yep. Nope. Yeah. It probably comes off where not a lot of them. I've had them in especially Eerie last year, first tournament where they are so, some of them are so nervous that it, hinders them big time. And I've stopped saying, man, we're just fishing. It's just fishing, brother. That's it. It's we're just fishing. I know we were making it sound like it's so serious and stuff. And it is, and it's my job. It's what we do, but I'm also like, just relax. It's just fishing. You're here doing this.
David Landsteiner (45:25.995)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (45:40.512)
Yep.
Brian Bashore (45:42.433)
You most likely have gone fishing before you probably are pretty good. You probably have a pretty good idea of what you're doing. You probably don't need any help. So just relax and just do what you would do anywhere. I mean, I get it. If you're trolling or pulling boards sometimes guys, I've never done this. All right. Here's your five minute lesson. Watch me. It's pretty simple. I don't, shouldn't need a whole lot after that, but maybe you need a couple of little reminders throughout the day. Not a big deal. Trollings little, you got a little bit more time to kind of work through some of those things when versus having a rod in your hand.
David Landsteiner (45:45.034)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (45:50.112)
Yeah.
you
Brian Bashore (46:10.265)
Whether you're scoping or not in your, your suspicion jigs or, you know, a jig and wrap, whatever the case is, but I was just, just relax coast. Just take a deep breath. Dave, I do we, or when Parsons, but they're we're all just, just fishermen, man. It's people out there fishing. So just relax.
David Landsteiner (46:26.33)
Yeah Yeah, it's it's kind of a wild card I know we talked about the whole co thing with the future holds but it's kind of a wild card if like you said who you get But I think there's a lot to be said about you as a pro is how do how are you going to adapt to? The card you were given like are you gonna recognize what you have? Or are you gonna be ignorant of it? And are you going to make a mistake? I got you know, I feel like a couple times I'm learning from my own mistakes. I'm like I just
I should have been more decisive in knowing what I had and I could have took a different action before the tragedies happened.
Brian Bashore (47:00.729)
Yep. Yeah. Should have, should have limited the opportunities for mistakes, you know, for errors or whatever the case is. But then you also realize what you do have and be like, all this guy's been doing this for years. I know he is. He's a stick. I can give him this point. Good to go. Don't say a word. You know, I know his netting ability. See how fast he moves in the boat. know, Mark gives me, yeah, I'm like, right, you're good. You're not 90, you know.
David Landsteiner (47:19.36)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (47:23.572)
is balanced.
Brian Bashore (47:28.025)
I mean, there's a lot of variables. And like I said, I think it's gotten better over the last few years because you're getting, it was harder to get in. Not so much this year, but you got not necessarily younger, but guys that are looking to make moves from CODA pro. Um, and they're not so much because it was harder to get in. So they were having to sign up for all four to just ensure their spot kind of how it wasn't before this year, obviously they're all anybody's getting in. Um, so you got, you got those ones that are a little more committed ones that are wanting to learn.
David Landsteiner (47:52.086)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Bashore (47:56.377)
Not necessarily all want to go to the next level. They're just, they want to give it a shot, try it, learn it, you know, whatever, but maybe 10, 20 % of them do. that's, that's great. That's, that's how this whole thing evolves. And I mean, Joshua Joe, I mean, I probably 30 % of the pros right now, we're all Co's with five, within the last five years, I couldn't name them, but I know you, you got, I think Joshua Jones fish needed to Co's right.
David Landsteiner (48:00.314)
Mm hmm.
David Landsteiner (48:24.218)
I don't know if he did or not. Did he?
Brian Bashore (48:26.167)
Yeah, he did. Yeah. He did a co for a year. And then this was his first year. Last year was his first year on the pro side. He did to go a time or two. And then he did that last year. And then this year is his second year on it. Big guy, little boat. If you wonder who Joshua Jones is a great guy. but, just loves it. And it's like embracing a, yeah, I can't go places. I can't do certain things because of, you he had a smaller boat, got a bigger boat now. Isn't it? So no problem there, but he's, you know, didn't do good at lacrosse. He's like, I learned a ton. So every loss is.
I learned a whole lot. I know next time when I come here, because you've never been to these places. So you're like,
David Landsteiner (48:57.38)
Yeah, you can't really lose when you learn from your mistakes, whatever they are. Like that's my philosophy is, there's the people who give up. That's the only way to lose is to give up. That's the only way.
Brian Bashore (49:11.405)
Yep. True. And that's a, another good part with, with travel partners or even a co I've had a lot of co's that are young gun hoe and, and this is a mental game. And I give them a lot of critics. They're like, they're keeping me from spinning out because they're like, it's cool. We're going to get it. We're going to get it. We're going to get it. And you're like, we're not. It sucks. We're not, you know, and you're like, all right. Yeah. Yeah. Right off. We're going to get it. We're okay.
Keep working it, know, and then, and then you get, you catch a fish or two and you know how the mood changes when the fish is good. Everybody in the boat's talking, chatting. It's, fun when it's, it's not good or it's a struggle. It's pretty quiet. It's it's on edge. It's yeah, we want to get on some fish right away every morning. So it does take pressure.
David Landsteiner (49:44.68)
Yep.
David Landsteiner (49:51.654)
Yeah. It takes the pressure off, you know, and that's, those are the fun days when it just goes like it should.
Brian Bashore (50:00.269)
Yep. And then obviously if you can get them on fish, if they're catching fish and contributing, then it's just, it's like, all right, awesome. You know, good. You're having fun. I'm having fun. You're taking, you know, you don't, you're taking some pressure off. obviously we have the, the non-party fishing stuff to where he had the rod handing over type crap and that kind of thing going on.
David Landsteiner (50:19.238)
Yeah, that's I hope now that we went one thing too is if they if I don't know You know, you can still learn in the boat if you were declared marshal. mean I actually I did head-to-head marshal. I volunteered when I was learning being a co I was a marshal on head-to-head as well for a few events for a Corey Heiser Who else is I with? Zach Axman was with him for a day on there. So I got that
you know, see what some of these guys were doing on that sort of thing too, just taking it all in. So it was...
Brian Bashore (50:52.089)
I don't think it's hard not to go fishing one day and just not learn something new. I can fish the same body of water every day. I'm like, ah, I picked up something, you know, I mean, are you today was minute rolled up and went, Oh, it rained all yesterday afternoon and blue like hell was early this morning. This is dirty. We got it. This isn't going to work. But I know that because I fished her 200 days and I can tell that water went from a foot and a half of clarity to a foot. And that's going to change everything.
You know, and it's like, all right, but okay. And then the wind was moving and then I was like, all right, if the wind is going to blow this direction, we probably need, I just followed the fish and went, okay, I guess when the wind blows this way, which is a little different today, it was weird. They're going to position up on this hump on this side. The other day, it went and this way. I'm like, all right, now I know East, North, South. This is where they're going to be every time. Well, it's fishing literally a new spot more or less. So you're learning. You can go to a seminar. You can listen to a hundred walleye guys tell stories in 99 and we're going to give you different ways to do something. You know, they all do it different.
David Landsteiner (51:47.457)
Yeah, yeah. There's so much stuff that probably was missed when when guys knew about how fish reposition and the weather and that sort of thing. And now we have live spoke to verify it every single time. It's just going to be more and more information out there and it's going to be crazy, but.
Brian Bashore (52:06.967)
Yeah, that tool is, we're all learning a lot. lot of things. I always say, I've never seen a walleye read the walleye insider magazine. So there's what we think they're supposed to do. The reality is they're to do whatever the hell they want to do. And a lot of times it's not at all what we think they were going to do. I mean, how many more suspended walleye are being caught now? Right. You know, and, in, and in places people never even thought, you know, they're shallow. I always say they're shallow 365 days a year because there's bait there. It's like weeds, right? There's always fishing weeds. You know, but now you can see them in the weeds.
David Landsteiner (52:20.637)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (52:24.126)
that's crazy. Absolutely crazy.
David Landsteiner (52:34.995)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, what?
Brian Bashore (52:36.729)
You yeah, they're, they may be out in 40 feet, but there's still fish up there in six or eight feet.
David Landsteiner (52:41.861)
It still boggles my mind to know when you hear the guys catching them in two, three feet of water and inside weeds and other people are catching them in hundred feet. Like what made that fish determine that's where it wanted to go? Why are some resident fish and some migrate? Like what is it in their DNA? What it makes them do what they do?
Brian Bashore (53:00.185)
Yep. Yeah. What holds you here? get it. mean, Francis case like that. I I told my partner, I'm like, there'd be a fish right here. I was like, there always is. I'm like, they're not, they just don't go nowhere. And we roll up. There's some rocks, jigging rap, bam, 19 half throw the box. Like we can leave. Like, that's it. We got it. We can leave now. I'm like, and then if the wind's blowing on it, we're rolling in tomorrow. We'll do the same thing. We'll pop one or two and we can leave. He's like, okay. I'm like, trust me. And that's exactly what happened. I'm like,
They're just there. They're always there. They just don't go anywhere. You take one away and come back next day. There's another one sitting there. So I don't, whatever.
David Landsteiner (53:33.35)
Yeah, or what makes it a lot of times you catch one fish out of the school, then the rest of them are done. Like you got it. You got the one right away. What made them turn off?
Brian Bashore (53:41.867)
It's like those trees, right? You get a one or two and there you can see a bunch of them, but they're all like, Nope. We saw those guys disappear. We're done. We're not chasing that little thing you're throwing around anymore. So you got to, yeah, you got to slide up to the next one. And somebody was talking to them. like, I don't know if they put off some type of stress set or something. And the rest of them, you know, catch onto it. Cause they're just like, you know, we're not going to eat that no more. And you just, you got to move to the next pot of trees, whatever. And you pop another couple off and.
David Landsteiner (53:51.692)
Yeah, Fred's gone now.
David Landsteiner (54:05.01)
Mm-hmm.
Brian Bashore (54:10.701)
That seems like that kind of anywhere you'll pop a few fish out of a school and you know, either they disperse or they just kind of, know, they're not smart, but I guess they're smart enough to know better. So not always sometimes you get a bunch of dumb ones and you can just sit there and clean house, but usually those are smaller fish. So yeah, I don't think at Dunkirk you're going to run into a whole lot of those. If you do, you're not casting.
David Landsteiner (54:10.822)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (54:18.126)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (54:27.825)
Yeah, usually.
David Landsteiner (54:33.429)
I don't know, I did pluck two out of the same pod. When you're hooking them up multiple times and they come back for more, you just shake your head.
Brian Bashore (54:37.539)
They just...
Brian Bashore (54:42.679)
Well, yeah, you're going to, those pods are just massive or huge and you got all, yeah, you're not going to get those little ones what I'm saying. yeah, when you got Lake Erie is kind of a different thing. When you just got a half a mile school of fish and they're all big, you're just, yeah, you're just going to continue to catch fish. So, and they're all hungry. Yeah. I mean, now warm water is a good thing, right? It makes them eat more. So, and if there's no food, it's even better yet. I mean, except for the fact that they're probably skinny and not going to weigh much, but.
David Landsteiner (55:00.187)
Their metabolism is super high right now.
David Landsteiner (55:08.849)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (55:11.469)
going to be that across the board but they look like they're kind of fat from the few I've seen. They look pretty healthy.
David Landsteiner (55:12.081)
Yeah. Yeah, I've got, I've seen both ends of the spectrum. Seen a skinny 28, 28 that probably weighed six pounds and then 26 that was more than six pounds. So they're definitely, maybe it's something I got to put together this week is just see where, where is it? there any kind of pattern to where the, these bigger fish are holding? We know other, other times out here as these tournaments.
know, post spawn fish, were by river mouths and they were feeding and they were the heavier fish. So there's usually a piece of the puzzle you can figure out.
Brian Bashore (55:41.069)
Yep. Yep.
Dunkirk, you got a small area cause you're just New York waters, which I don't know what 50 miles of it or some, it's not, I mean, it's kind of nice cause you're limited. And I think you're only probably at mid seventies on people in the tournament. So this will air after. So we'll know all the answers by the time y'all are seeing this to these, to these questions, but, at least you get a little insight on, Dave's few days of pre-fishing. He's got in there and 30, 35 pound bag probably kind of take.
David Landsteiner (55:51.654)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (55:56.847)
Yep.
David Landsteiner (56:12.561)
Well, I wish my scale would have worked. I just got new 9-volt batteries. in the first two days out here, just going to the first place I went to, out of my 10 fish, the smallest one had been 26 inches. So what is that, six, seven and a half pounds on the bottom? so I was doing the math. like, I probably had 32 to 35 pounds on each day. But I don't know. I got to get a scale to make sure that's accurate. It's kind of scary too because
Brian Bashore (56:30.019)
Yeah, probably.
Brian Bashore (56:40.675)
But that's probably over, yeah, it's five, six pounders, 30 pounds. So, I mean, that's.
David Landsteiner (56:41.914)
That's a pretty good bag out here.
David Landsteiner (56:46.672)
Yeah. What is it? Five, a 25, 24 and a half. was at 25 should be five pounds.
Brian Bashore (56:51.949)
Yep. Yeah. So that's, yeah. Yeah. You should be well over 30 pounds. He makes enough some 28 to 30 inches in there. Yeah. Actually if they're on the healthy side. So.
David Landsteiner (57:00.3)
Yeah, so you maybe you see maybe it takes 30 pounds a day to cash a paycheck and maybe you know some these guys I think you're going to see a couple of 40 pound bags still because they were here a couple of years ago and some of these class I think the overall size is probably bigger in the whole lake. So I don't know add 15 20 percent of the weights.
Brian Bashore (57:17.507)
Yeah. Yeah. The ones that Hoyer and Dewey brought in, think they're up in Canada or different than everybody else that was trolling them. Everybody was catching like the three to five pounders, think when they're like 20 some pound bags or something, but they're catching just an absolute ton of them. sounded like, so now it sounds like you got to those three to fives are all five to eights or six to eights now.
David Landsteiner (57:24.496)
Mm-hmm.
David Landsteiner (57:35.301)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (57:41.284)
That's what I'm assuming. yeah, I would say I'm going to go out there and say you need probably 28 to 30 pounds on a day to get a paycheck.
Brian Bashore (57:51.193)
That's good. Should be fun. Good fishing. You got good weather. Like you guys got pretty lucky here on and actually had some decent weather there. Cause that place can get rough and in Dunkirk, you don't have any blow days on the schedule. So you don't need wind. You need to be able to go fish and then get home and get over to Cass Lake and make that championship in the MWC. So, um, let's wrap it up. Any, any, any final thoughts, anything else for the Co's out there? We can talk Co's all day. I've done a couple of these on Co's and.
David Landsteiner (58:11.331)
Yes, sir.
David Landsteiner (58:17.783)
Okay.
Brian Bashore (58:19.309)
Try not to discourage crows, trying to encourage Coe's to sign up if there is Coe's, but there's aim circuits. There's aim next coming out next year, which if you're in the aim circuit, you qualify for that. got the MWC, you got casino cups, you got governor cups, you got, there's so many options out there. I always just tell them the best thing to do is just go finish the tournament and make it better.
David Landsteiner (58:35.711)
Yeah, have an idea for somebody that's somebody needs to make a calendar and then put all the tournaments on a calendar so that we can there's tournaments that I see and I'm like, I didn't know about that one or whatever, but it would be nice to have a central site.
that had every tournament overlapped on a calendar so you could pick and choose what would work. You know, I was just lucky to know about the MWC being on my route home from Alpena. I'm like, well, it's a no brainer. I have no extra gas, except for boat gas, of course, the pre-fished, but I'm already going through it. You know, if somebody can make an efficient schedule route, I mean, I would probably fish at least two or three more tournaments every year based on the efficiency of traveling certain places.
Brian Bashore (59:04.387)
Right. Yeah. I'm already here. Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense.
Brian Bashore (59:19.127)
Yeah, yeah, that makes perfect sense. You're like, got to drive right by and it's, mean, you probably had a couple of days of practice, but that's about all you really need sometimes or for an MWC or something anyway. So when you look at the investment level.
David Landsteiner (59:29.03)
Yeah, you hear all these guys that are all these guys that are like, you know, real good at scoping and they're just they sometimes they don't even pre fish. They just go from one and overnight it to the next one the next morning and they do they do great. So.
Brian Bashore (59:40.537)
Yeah, Hunter and Matt, those guys are always running to a Minnesota tournament trail or something the next day, you know, where we got to hurry up, get there for the Saturday to Sunday tournament and it's not like they know, you know, but it's like, whatever we're just going to go. And they probably spent an hour in the morning to around trying to find them. And then they're like, there they are. And then boom, boom. Obviously it's, you know, rolling into someone you have a little experience with helps, I don't know about going to a lake I'd never been at. We're saying it's probably like, I don't know. Everybody went that direction. Well, maybe I'll go this direction instead, you know, and.
David Landsteiner (59:51.651)
Yeah. Yeah.
David Landsteiner (59:58.635)
And.
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (01:00:10.217)
Scoping you can help you find them quick I mean but your basic electronics are gonna help you find them the fastest and then obviously dialed in with your scope so It's the way it is. It's the terminal world we live in and get good on it. So
David Landsteiner (01:00:24.429)
Yes, sir.
Brian Bashore (01:00:25.773)
Alrighty good luck at dark. yeah, asked if you had any final thoughts and I kept talking. Did you have any? cut you off
David Landsteiner (01:00:31.375)
I guess I don't know I always try to be like kind to everybody else that's in here you know some people like seem like I don't know maybe that they're like too good to give you the time of day but I just feel like everybody's on their own journey and I think you should just be cordial to everybody and just you know whoever it is if they're cordial to you just kind of like kind of reap what you sow so if you see a guy on tour that's struggling whatever and reach out to him and give him encouragement
because everybody's been there one time.
Brian Bashore (01:01:03.981)
Yeah. Yeah, that is, that is for sure. And this whole world can use a little bit more kindness in it lately. So it's a, it's a beautiful place and great people, but it's an ugly world of times and it's, it's just not getting any prettier, unfortunately. So, but you're right. And it, the guys on tour, we all butt heads and whatever have issues, but they're all good dudes and they're all good anglers. And I don't think there's too many of them that probably wouldn't help another guy out if he needed something. So.
David Landsteiner (01:01:19.182)
Yes.
David Landsteiner (01:01:32.686)
Yep, that's the thing. think if you saw somebody broke it on the side of the road and you was another tournament guy, I would say 99 % of the guys would pull over right away, get off the next exit, turn around and come back and make sure you're okay. that's kind of a nice kinship of people, kind of a good group of guys that I like to be a part of.
Brian Bashore (01:01:50.999)
Yeah. And I don't think, mean, I've been at gas stations where I've had another program. I'll be like, Hey man, you got any of these flicker shads and whatever color? You know, I'm like, yeah, sure. I got four extra ones. He's competed against you, but you know, I'm like, I'm not using them anyway, or here. And I've been at, you know, gas stations. I think it was Dan Stewart once was looking for some fluorocarbon. Like, hang on. I got some Seagull right here, buddy. You know, here's, here's a spool. And he's like, this is the best. So awesome. Thanks, man. I'm like, yeah, don't, know, you don't go in there and just.
David Landsteiner (01:02:00.91)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (01:02:11.383)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (01:02:18.967)
Here, I got you. You need to try this stuff out, but you know, used it anyway, but he was just, I'm a lot of 10 pounds, you know, or whatever it was. And I'm like, I just happened to have a box full of it for you, buddy here, you know.
David Landsteiner (01:02:26.967)
Yeah.
That reminds me, I gotta give a quick shout out to Zach Axman, because at the NTC, he gave me a couple finishers in that wassagi color, whatever it was. That was my color that I was getting them on. And I really appreciate that. It's kind of like a grayish, pinkish, I think I remember right, dullish color. It was working. But then I got it on plastics, like right after that, the last day with a couple of...
Brian Bashore (01:02:42.393)
Is that the green?
Brian Bashore (01:02:50.105)
no, really flat, huh?
David Landsteiner (01:02:58.444)
We were crushing them on the muchimino and I was like, all right, I'm switching to this now.
Brian Bashore (01:03:02.025)
switch into this. Yeah, I couldn't get them on a finisher. So, jigging a crawler! It seems to me what I'm still catching them on is jigging a crawler.
David Landsteiner (01:03:09.623)
That's a safe bet, safe bet, usually almost everywhere.
Brian Bashore (01:03:12.803)
Yeah, it is safe. I'd rather catch them on a plastic. I did catch bigger ones of plastic at practice though. So, and just the bite on that was thud versus okay. Feed, feed, feed, you know, set. was whap. It was inhaled and it was all the way down their throat. They were, they were hooked and they were good. And those are on my Z-Man Jerkshads, which are mooch minnow. They're not too far apart really. So in style.
David Landsteiner (01:03:24.033)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (01:03:35.361)
Right. And plus your landing, you know, the jigging and crawler, plastic, I think landing ratio is going to be a lot better than some of these other baits that are fun to fish, but we're all, I'm all about the numbers and getting more fish in. So.
Brian Bashore (01:03:46.905)
Yeah, they don't count unless they hit the deck or in the net anyway. So if you're fun fishing, if you get to see it, I'll be like, all right, that was a good one. We'll count it. But if tournament it's kind of, it's got to go in that live well. So, at least pillow what circuit you're fishing. Maybe he's a hit the router and get the photo of it. So. Nonetheless. All right. Thanks Dave. We'll let you go get some rest. So hopefully the wind lays down and you can get out there and get some more pre-fishing in tomorrow. Good luck at Dunkirk and at Cast Lake. And we'll be watching and hopefully you're.
Leaving that stage with the big old trophy and a nice fat check.
David Landsteiner (01:04:18.005)
Actually, sometimes, sometimes it's got to happen, right?
Brian Bashore (01:04:20.823)
It's got, that's what I would say. You stick with it long enough, long enough, right? It's going to happen. But it doesn't, it doesn't happen for everybody, but it, there's no reason why not. Right. You're sticking with, know what you're doing. You're just getting better and better at it every year. think everybody's, everybody's day comes. And then I think when you're rolling, you're rolling and you've had, you've had a pretty good, good season on, on MWC and NWT. So the odds are in your favor when you're rolling, you're rolling and you had some, you just got to get those two days in a row.
David Landsteiner (01:04:47.02)
Gotta get it.
Yeah, two days.
Brian Bashore (01:04:51.353)
That's always a trick. have the same problem. It's one day or the other. It's like, you kind of need to have two of them. So when you have two good days, you do good. When you have one good day, it, you know, it's one good day. That's what it is. And you get any, yeah, then you get some points, but you're on the end of it. You're in it on points already. I think you land a fish. You're, you're there. I mean, he held him to zero. might make the.
David Landsteiner (01:05:01.676)
and you get some points instead.
David Landsteiner (01:05:12.278)
I don't deserve to go to, if you can't get a fish out of an ear, you just don't, I don't believe I deserve to.
Brian Bashore (01:05:15.449)
Right. Yeah. First fish goes in the box. made the championship. So that's over. don't have to, you don't have to be conservative anymore. I think that's the good thing with the last term with most people they're like, all right, it's, swinging for the fence time, you know, cause you're going to, like you said, I can get one in the box pretty easy, you know? So yeah. So there's yeah. And you can call. So.
David Landsteiner (01:05:31.372)
Should be seconds. Should be seconds.
I think you can get 12, but yeah, same.
Brian Bashore (01:05:39.257)
you can't colon and that up there on Dunkirk can't. Well, hmm. I Lake Erie was all calling.
David Landsteiner (01:05:42.412)
I don't think so. I don't think there is an anchor wing. So, but I think for the first couple hours, I might kick myself, but I don't think I'll keep anything lower than 24, 25 inches in the first couple hours. Because in my philosophy on that too, is that like, you know, that's another good thing for a co to do. I'm going to have that scale going back there. When I catch another 26, be like, well, is it three ounces bigger? Because that can go a long ways here. I think you're going to look at really tight weights.
Brian Bashore (01:05:54.68)
Yeah.
Brian Bashore (01:06:11.161)
Really big, big, tight waist, which kind of how Eerie's always there. There's, there's usually a big drop off, but those are just the ones that just didn't get them. If the ones that got them are all going to be like right there, you know, and in this case with the scope and there seems to be more, you know, there's going to, there's one or two that got those 40 pound bags. And then there's third through 15 that are all, you know, say you're 30 pounds a day. They're going to be in that 57 to 60 pounds or 55 to 60 pound range.
David Landsteiner (01:06:40.171)
Yeah, that's my prediction. Tight weight.
Brian Bashore (01:06:41.625)
Cause they had like slot tournaments in the Dakotas or South Dakota anyway, or even lacrosse or over and unders, same deal. Those unders, ounces go big like Lake Sharp, right? One pound could move you up five, you know, five to 10 spots.
David Landsteiner (01:06:58.444)
Yeah, yeah, fish care, know, keeping your fish alive, probably going to get bigger weights if you know some of that stuff too. So that's going to go a long ways and just those little tiny details that all add up.
Brian Bashore (01:07:08.055)
And you got hot water, you got hot water out there. Sounds like so keeping them alive. That's a, that's a good co-engler point is a, got to do some fish management. Let me show you about fizzing or weights, not in fish guys on the fish. don't put weights in fish. That's old, old news, right?
David Landsteiner (01:07:23.115)
Make sure you take them off before you go take them to the weigh basket too.
Brian Bashore (01:07:26.679)
Yep, yep, yep, yep. Pitch them on there. Make sure you take them off those little offshore clips. I'd put those guppy weights on them. It works pretty good. is it, just keeping them some.
David Landsteiner (01:07:34.141)
I ran out of weights on one of his last tournaments and I had big heavy jigs and I just took the jig and just went through the bottom of the fin and just pierced it and that worked just as good.
Brian Bashore (01:07:41.123)
Hooked him.
Yep.
Yep. Hook them on there and get the G juice. Randy Humble does a great job. He brings a tube and he drops it way down in the water and pumps colder water up into his live well, like a 20 foot hose and a little pump. So he pulls cold water up in there. I'd start off with NTC. We started off, even though it was a kill tournament, still threw 40 pounds of ice in a live well. I'm like, they're going to maybe be heavier if they're alive. They're not going to spit up, you know, the bait, but by the third day I'm like, it don't.
This doesn't matter. They're dead when we come in anyway. First day they were all alive, second day they were half alive and then we just sound like whatever.
David Landsteiner (01:08:13.612)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (01:08:20.65)
How hard would it be to put a like a one inch barrier with some kind of liquid in there like a gel or coolant and then you could just plug it in overnight and then just freeze your entire live well. Take off for the day. It probably be safe. Stay cool for eight hours.
Brian Bashore (01:08:36.653)
Probably a lot of guys will freeze a ton of water bottles.
David Landsteiner (01:08:40.742)
Yeah, you gotta worry about them, you know, juggling around in there and smacking around. But yeah.
Brian Bashore (01:08:44.503)
Right. Yeah. You can lay them all across the bottom, but once it fills up, they're like I they're banging. course, when you got Lake Erie fish, the fish are going to fill that thing out. They're not going to be a lot of splish splashing around, but when you're on these slot tournaments and you got 18 inches in there, there's a lot of dead space in these big, you know, nitro ranger, Caymus livewells. So for sure. Alrighty. All right.
David Landsteiner (01:08:54.91)
Yeah.
David Landsteiner (01:09:03.518)
Yes, sir. Nice chat with you.
Brian Bashore (01:09:07.417)
You bet. Thanks folks for tuning in to an episode of Real Talk Fishing with Mr. David Ladsteiner off the NWT at Dunkirk, New York. Stay safe folks and we will see you on the water.