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Beyond The Message is a weekly podcast that dives deeper into the weekend’s teaching. Released after each Sunday service, it offers thoughtful conversation, added insight, and practical reflection to help our community process and apply what they heard. Whether you're revisiting the message or catching up, this podcast is designed to help you go deeper throughout the week.
Welcome to Beyond the Message, the podcast where we take the weekly teaching at Christ Community Chapel and we bring it into your week. Each week I get to sit down with friends where we laugh a little bit, we talk about what we have just learned and figure out ways to live out what we are learning. If you did not get to hear the message, you want to make sure you go and listen to that first. And it is a great one. This week we get to hear from Pastor Larry Osborne and so drop down to the description where you'll find a link to the message, watch it, and then come back over here and join in on the conversation. Today, I am joined by Brooks Montgomery and by Jimmy Kozy and then by Pastor Larry Osborne, which is amazing. We're so thankful to have him with us, to share a little bit about what again we got to hear this week, which was a great, great teaching. So, welcome guys. Thanks. Great to be here. Yeah, to start things off though, I have a question for you. A little bit of an icebreaker to get things going. This week we, again, there was a lot of talk about suffering. So I'm not minimizing that whatsoever, but in a light-hearted way. Wanted to ask you guys, what is something that should not be difficult, is maybe a small or ordinary thing that for whatever reason you find to be really annoying and actually would say, man, this is suffering for me to have to endure this. So there you go, laid up. Brooks, do you want to start us off, man? Yeah, I mean, I, I. Setting the, setting the pace here, setting the tone. Right. Something I think knowingly, incredibly insignificant. That's what I mean. Toll roads drive me crazy. Like my, my level of how much farther I will drive to avoid paying like a quarter to go through a toll booth is at an unhealthy level. So is this about, or is it about the inconvenience of having to stop? No. Or the philosophy of it? That's it. I have trolls under the bridge and they're taking your as an American. It's like dropping a booth in the middle of the freeway, putting a gate that all of a sudden you're demanding anything I could possibly think. I don't know. He's kind of aiming at that. So don't. Philosophically, I have an issue with it. And Even though it's 50 cents, every time I make a comment, every single time I go through a toll booth, I know it's absurd. That's my answer. Okay. Anybody? I really don't like It When I have to choose a restaurant to go to lunch. okay, this is funny for me on a lot of levels. Welcome to Jimmy. Please show me all the levels. Because first of all, you have a go to a restaurant for lunch that you choose all the time. You know why, though? It's so that the choice is. It's done. I don't have to. You don't have to think about it. I don't have to think about it. It's just like suffering for you. This is your iceberg. You asked the question. You said, second is when people use salted butter in their food. We know. And this has become, quite the thing. Okay. Do you have anything for us, Larry? Oh, probably when I have to set through some sort of a meeting where people do boring reports that no one is listening to. and, you're supposed to sit there as if you're interested. I have no poker face. Like, absolutely zero to the point. Sometimes as a leader, it gets me. I'll roll my eyes unconsciously with. On a one to ten, a two, and people go, oh, that must have been an eight. You know, that type of thing. Because I just have no poker face. Like, unmatched. So when I'm in those things, it's just people looking at me like, is this guy gonna die on us right now? I was worried you were gonna say, when you're sitting on a podcast and there's an Icebreakers at the beginning, it feels like suffering. when somebody on a podcast asked me at the close, either what is the one thing we didn't talk about? We should, or what is God teaching you? I just go, oh, my God. Oh, good. I know what not to do. That's the end of the episode. I am going to tell you. What's he doing? Tune in next week for beyond the Message episode. Yes, we go. He's been teaching me the same thing. you know, it's like, nothing new. Yeah. Do you have one, Stacey? I have. I thought about this this morning. I was like, I honestly was realizing how ridiculous I am that I probably have, like, 20 things I could blame, which is d. reading instructions. I can't stand. I'm suffering to you. You know what? Picking a restaurant was for you. So let mine be reading instructions. What is reading instructions? I'm not familiar with that. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So if I have, like, building something, oh, I'm horrible at it, but that's probably why. So I don't like it. So you usually get it. Right. When you build stuff. So the suffering of. No, I probably most of the time get it, like whenever I'm putting together. That's why God invented YouTube. So life is good now. Yeah. But there's probably way too many things that annoy me. But let's jump into, the teaching. Let's just a reminder of and recap of kind of what the teaching was about. We were in First Peter, chapter four, and Pastor Larry focused primarily on those first two verses, reminding us first of all that this was written to people that were following Jesus when following Jesus was really hard. and I would kind of say I felt like there was two big sections to the message. The first one being, looking at why we disobey and the fact that that is really rooted in fear and a fear of losing something, of missing out and then the reality that sin loses its power, when we do obey God. And then secondly, it was so good. There were five different kind of points that Pastor Larry walked through in looking at how we should approach and how Jesus approached and how we can handle suffering like Jesus did. And so there were five different kind of really profound points in that that he walked us through. And it was a great teaching. But always want to start off by saying, hey, what was something that stood out to you? as we jump into this time. Yeah, off the jump, I mean the five principles you start to think about, a lot of them have to do something with others and in relationship. This is what struck me. I feel, yeah. Just quite convicted even thinking about it is the sense that, oftentimes I think about if I do not choose obedience in the way of Jesus, the other person will be affected. For example. Right. If I don't choose to show grace, if I don't choose to show forgiveness, their experience. Right. They will be affected by it. And just sort of recognize from your sermon, Pastor Larry, the sense that my own soul is being warped. If I'm not following the way of Jesus, it's not just a relationship that's affected, but it's my own soul to the sense of, hey, if I'm trading evil for evil. Right. If I'm choosing bitterness and resentment and being paralyzed by anger, like it's not just the other person and a relationship that's going to be severed, but it's really my own soul collapsing on itself and being warped into cynicism and anger. Right. And just recognizing that kind of what is at stake of if we follow the way of Jesus and considering what Obedience looks like the other person. It's about at least a life for our own souls, at least to flourishing, to experiencing the freedom of living and showing grace for our own lives. And so that was just something so impactful. It's not just about. My actions aren't just affecting others. They're affecting the very DNA of the life that Christ is showing me, which is such fullness and freedom. So, yeah, I think, for me it was when you said in your five points, and I think we'll probably come back to this later, but, to go toward your enemies, I'm not good at that. I think, I like to just write people off. You know, if you, you made me mad or you, you know, if I perceived that you slighted me, just okay, you're, you know, you're kind of, I just don't think about you anymore. And I think that was really challenging to me and convicting to me. Well, I, we will probably circle back to that. But I also found just in the choosing forgiveness over bitterness and revenge, there was, that was really powerful for me. and so I want to tee up. There's just a clip we're going to watch from that section of the teaching. Let's watch that. Now the fact is some of you have had the most incredibly evil, horrific things done to you. And I'll grant that. But there's not one of us that has ever faced the injustice that Jesus Christ faced. The perfect, sinless son of God went through all that we're told in the story. And yet what did he do? He not only didn't return evil for evil, his words on the cross were, father, forgive them, they know not what they do. It's pretty radical because I want to say, father, sic em. And there are some psalms and prayers along that line. But what I'm doing is forgiveness is not that I forgot about it. Forgiveness is not I'm giving you a knife to stab me in the back again. Forgiveness is not I'm inviting you over for Thanksgiving dinner. it's not trusting you again. Trust is earned. Forgiveness is given. But what it simply means is I don't let you live rent free in my brain anymore. I give it to God. And that's always a choice. There's a ton in there. But I think one thing that stood out to me was even just the fact that that is a really good starting point definition of forgiveness. I, know I have myself and I talk to many people that correlate or connect forgiveness to being a, trust and a relationship healer and all this sort of thing and realizing, oh, it's again, so much more about God and me and what it means to, just really forgive somebody is not about necessarily a rebuilding relationship. So I don't know if there's anything more on that. Yeah, that's really challenging. I mean, just, but true and convicting. Because I think we have a tendency to perceive ourselves as victims and as the center of the narrative, because we don't. It's just hard for us not to do that. And, but just realizing that, you know, whatever little slights or, or hurts or perceived, whatever that I've experienced from other people, so much more because of my sin. Yeah. Jesus has experienced suffering. Yeah. Basically at my hands via, the wrath of God. So it's ridiculous for us to not forgive others. Yeah. I think one of the reasons we have a hard time forgiving is because we don't have a biblical definition. lots of people think, well, if you forgive me, you'll trust me. in fact, people who have been the one that violated trust often say, you haven't forgiven me because you're not trusting me, because you don't trust me. Well, I don't trust a stranger who says, hey, give me your wallet or your iPhone or whatever it would be. You earn trust. And the idea that it's forgetting, the scriptures talk about God forgetting our sins. and what that means biblically, that Hebrew and Greek concept is not responding to, not that he doesn't remember. So if God, like you've heard that he'll, you know, you go back and confess a second time. God goes, I don't know what you're talking about. Yes, he does. Yeah. He hears otherwise. I know things he doesn't know. I know about David sin. I can go on through the list. and it says, for instance, he remembered Noah. that doesn't mean he was up there and going, oh, my gosh, we left the water on. It means he turned his attention back to. And the moment that I think, well, somehow I don't remember the event. And I trust you. Of course I'm gonna not forgive, even in the biblical sense, because I'm gonna go to 100% protection mode. Right. Instead of no God, you're my protector. That's right. Yeah. You're the one who makes sure they don't get away, with it, not me. Yeah. No, that's so good. That's good. Well, to back up to the kind of front part of the message, you talked a Little bit, Pastor Larry, about why we disobey and that there's moments we know the right thing do, and we don't do it. And then there's times we. We know the wrong thing to do and we do it anyway. And, we've heard you talk a little bit about this kind of dimmer switch principle and wanted to see if you could just share a little bit about that for us to connect these two things. Yeah. The basic principle is when we obey the light we have, we get more light. We disobey the light we have, we get less. And I call it God's dimmer switch. in the Book of Proverbs, the path of the righteous is like the rising of the noonday sun. Your. Your early morning or your night vision is like your peripheral vision. You have no color and you have no depth perception. but as the sun goes up, you see things better. One year, as a young kid, we'd go to Yosemite national park every year. And very early in the morning, probably 5:30, something like that. I'd gotten up early from where we were camping to go to the restroom. And, anybody who's been to Yosemite know it's, you know, all the granite everywhere, little rocks. And so little kids jump from rock to rock, you know, that, whatever. And there was one about 10ft away, and I did. I was going to kind of go step on that, and then it moved. It was a little bear cub that. Oh, my goodness. Oh, wow. And, yeah, scared the daylights out of me. Didn't have to go to the restroom anymore. Yeah, you did. I was like, I'm fine. But to me, that illustrates what I mean, that your walk with Jesus at the beginning, there's all kinds of things you don't get. M. Sometimes more, mature Christians want us to get everything right away, and it's like, back off. They'll get there. but that would have never happened, at 10am Would never happened at noon, because as the sun got brighter and brighter, my ability to see with clarity got brighter and brighter. And of course, in Romans 1, I think it's verses 18 to 32, you have the downward cycle of a culture, not an individual. and, it says what happens when we ignore what God has told us to do. We know we're supposed to do or not do. And over and over it says, therefore, God gave them over. If you want an idol, you get an idol. If you want this, you're gonna get that. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, can you. I Mean, I feel like I've experienced this in my own life. And I would say, you know, if we want to be, I think all of us probably would agree, we want to walk closely with God, we want to experience flourishing, we want to know more of him, we want to be more intimate with Him. But I think, the reality is that we all face moments where we experience the conviction of the Holy Spirit saying, either this is something you need to start doing that you're not doing, or this is something that you need to stop doing that you are doing. And I think we just need to connect those two things. That, that intimacy that you desire with God is in some way connected to your obedience, your willingness to obey him and to do the things that he. That he is asking you to do. And, you know, he's convicting you. Like the other thing I was thinking about, that comes back to trust too, in some ways that, like, do I believe that God knows the way to human flourishing? If so, even when I don't want to do the thing that he says I need to do, we make it so emotive, kind of the books on the inner life. I don't. You know, I wrote one called, Contrarian's Guide to Knowing God. Because almost all the books on the inner life growing close to the Lord are written by introverts with big brains, big vocabularies, who love being alone. Just them and Jesus. And that's just a small portion of, humanity. Right. And Jesus actually said, if you love me, it's not you're gonna love reading the Bible every moment. Nobody read it before Gutenberg came along. It's not you're gonna, you know, get teary eyed during some, worship song or whatever. It's you'll obey me. That's right. And we've come sometimes so far that, well, if you're only obeying for the reward or you're only obeying out of fear, you're not obeying. I go, well, that's really weird because who's the one who said you get the reward? Who's the one who said fear? Jesus. Right, yeah. he's actually the one. He himself is the reward. And he's the one who said, this is your motivation to avoid this and to get that. And then all the time, well, no, it's not really pure. You just want to. And I look and go, dude, you're reading too many books and not living. Yeah, that's interesting. I think one of the consequences of that, that maybe inadvertently happens in the church is that we conflate spiritual growth with knowledge acquisition, spiritual maturity, with how much you know when in reality I'm doing the right thing altruistically. It's like sometimes I do, and sometimes it's just. I mean, there's plenty of times I just go, well, I really believe what he said. I better not do this. That's right. And that is obedience. And, again, this kind of weird, mystical thing that has crept into Christianity, not found in the Bible, has caused us to go, well, that's not pure enough on emotive component too. Like, I think we connected to, like, I have to feel that way or I have to actually obey. Even words like. And even words we use, like intimate with the Lord. It's like, well, that word isn't even in the Bible. You know, those are words that have come out of. What, I've noticed about much of it is there's not a lot of quoting of the Bible. There's a lot of quoting of church fathers and mystics. And I go, oh, well, that's really interesting. I prefer when I figure out what it is to walk with Jesus, maybe more Bible verses and less guys who lived in caves. Yeah, that's really true. And perhaps the profound thing is to consider that obedience, it's not mere duty. Right. But you're obeying as sons adopted, you're obeying as daughters adopted. Like, the way we see ourselves is going to be directly linked to the way in which we understand sustained obedience. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But to push back, back a little bit at times, it is duty. I'm afraid of. It's duty. It's duty. Yeah. I am afraid of the consequences, and that's okay. And I've been told all my life by the guys who like the people living in caves, that's not real obedience. You'll grow to the point you want to do it. I go, well, I'm pretty old, dude. I haven't got there. I'm not going to get there. And perhaps in some ways the spiritual maturity itself is about the act of obedience and not the motive behind it. That's right. 100%. I mean, even look to. I mean, you mentioned it Christ in Gethsemane before the cross, three lies, despising it and begging not to get it. I go, I can relate to that. That's so true. Yeah. And hating it while you're going through it, like. But if you have somebody in your life, group or small group, whatever it would be, and they're doing the Right thing. But they're. They're hating every moment, despising it as they're being real and honest will go, no, you just need to trust Jesus. They are trusting Jesus. Yeah. That they're doing the thing they don't want to do. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's jump into a few of those, different, you know, points that Larry made connected to that. The first one was when he laid out five ways to approach suffering like Jesus did was to avoid if possible. And I've heard him say that when he was teaching. I was like, what? Avoid if possible? Where's he gonna go with this one? and. But I loved it because he also laid up the whole, like, you know, as Christians, sometimes we go like, man, I've gotta be tough for Jesus. And I think I carry that mentality into things sometimes. So, rather than saying, yeah, I gotta be willing to. To die for Jesus, but not unnecessarily in hard ways when it's not, you know, just for the purpose of it being hard. so, I don't know, first of all, anyone else or am I alone in wrestling? I mean, I think there's often a tendency where we just want to win. Like, we want to win a wrestling match, we want to win a battle, we want to be right, and that fuels our conversations or this kind of masquerade, packaged desire to share Christ. But really it's not focused on, you know, the other person, focused on their design. It's just focused on, we want to win a fight, we want to win a wrestling match, and we're going to do it in any way we can. Even perhaps in the name of Jesus. Right. It's, that at first glance, you kind of think, wait a minute. To your point. Yeah. I see the reaction that you had, Stacy, where I was like, oh, I'm curious. Where. Where's this gonna go, where he's gonna go with this? But I do think one of the things that came across in that point is also that, not all suffering is external suffering that happens to us. Some of it is suffering that via our choices to disobey or to, you know, whatever. Some of the suffering is of our own creation. And so in that sense, avoid it by following Jesus. Yeah. I think the quintessential example of how to live in a godless culture is Daniel. Right. It's not a children's Sunday school book of adventure. The lesson of Daniel is not, if you trust God, lions won't eat you because only one guy wasn't eaten, and only one Guy lived through three guys lived through the fire. it's a primer for adults on how to do that. And think about it. Daniel served a demon worshiping God so well that he kept getting promoted. Yeah. And when that demon worshiping God was told, your pride has come to the point you're going to live like a wild animal for a year. Daniel delivers a message and it's not, dude, I've been praying for this a long time. It's I wish it was anybody but you contrast that to the Thanksgiving table, the Christmas family gathering where you're the only Christian people are talking about parting hearty and you feel like you've got to speak up and tell them why that's wrong. And all that. And all that does is like I said, that hardens our heart towards the message. Peter even says, live such good lives. Right. You answer when asked, live such good lives that when God comes to glorify him. Which means they've turned around like Nebuchadnezzar did. Right. Declaring the God Most High as the God most high. But I think today, let's just take politically, you know, somebody's on one side of the aisle or the other and a Jesus follower decides to step over and serve well. So well, they get promoted. The other administration, yeah. Christians today would say, oh, you're selling out, you need to do this. And I go, well again, I get so tired of conference speakers, books and blogs like let's read the Bible and let's see what its example was. how Joseph served Pharaoh. How Nehemiah great relationship. Again, not only a demon worshiping king. King. But one who had the people of Israel under their thumb. That's like that even. I mean you mentioned proverbs. It's like the way of wisdom oftentimes is not by having a knockout argument rhetoric, it's by listening. Right. Or it's been knowing when to speak and when not to speak and who to speak with. That is elements virtues of wisdom. Often the first step from a minus three blasphemer, murderer Paul to a plus three apostle. If you want to take a charge minus three to zero. I'm trying to move you along. Sometimes all it is is like you're the first non jerk I've ever met. That's right. Yep. That can be refreshing. Eh? yeah, yeah. When they think everybody is getting in their face about everything. And Paul says what do I have to do with judging outsiders? Yeah. And I think, I mean it could be a Good exercise. to think about who you intersect your life with that is in that camp, and how can you engage them and love them well and listen to them in a way that maybe you would tend to avoid or tend to, confront. You know, either of those are not helpful, and there's a better way. So. Yeah, I love that. It's just not a lack of courage to have wisdom to shut up. That's so true. Daniel had it for years, years before he spoke up. Yeah, I love that. Well, let's jump into talking about, that point where you said, go towards your enemies. wow. I mean, that was really. I'm good, actually. We don't need to go. You're good, Jimmy. You don't want to talk about that. I just wanted to ask the question, like, we all felt that. I think. I don't, man. If you didn't feel that, props to you. But, as far as seeing that person down the grocery aisle, that hurt you, that offended you, that. And you turn. I, turn and you go down somewhere else. You leave the store, whatever, instead going down that aisle and just saying hello and what causes us or how can we help people? When we think about what do we need to do inside of ourselves to become a person that's going to be able to go down that grocery aisle towards your enemy. Anybody have some thoughts? One, thing that comes to mind for me is to, trust that God is good and just. And so whatever I've perceived as pain that has been inflicted on me or an offense that has been inflicted on me, that he has already taken care of that. And that in his providence, in his justice, I don't have to be the executor of judgment by walking past that person or giving them a cold shoulder or overtly hitting back. Yeah, you said, I can't remember the details, just the lesson. And that got me thinking as well. Like the. I think oftentimes when we choose not like in my own life, when there's people that drive me crazy, the people that, you know, keep you up and keep your mind racing. The real estate they have in your head. All you think about is the details, right? What they've done, what they said, the things you're going to say to them. If you have rehearsing arguments with entirely and you always win. I love when you rehearse the argument. I've never lost a brain debate. I'm a killer hypothetical arguer. And I think that the opportunity to experience the. I mean, that is not. Let's not see spiritual. That is like bondage. That is literally having in prison the real estate, someone in your head at all hours of the day, man. The freedom that you're missing out on, right? To just give the experience of grace to someone, someone to have your own self. Consider the forgiveness you've been shown in Jesus. Like, that is warping and ruining your soul if you don't. If you're not willing to extend that. And that's so true. Even. I mean, there's people in my own life right now. I'm like, man, they are in my head. And that shouldn't be the. That shouldn't be the case. And it is. I love that. The point was choose forgiveness. Right? You're making the choice. And it's. I think, you know, even as we talked about obeying God as being a. Not a motive, just do it thing. Same concept. The same concept I think applies here is going, yeah, you're gonna feel all sorts of stuff. But our feelings don't necessarily always drive us towards the best things, right? It's going, no, I'm gonna choose to do the right thing. I'm gonna choose forgiveness. Realizing that sometimes even the things that, you know, we feel offended by or whatever, in retrospect, when we let go of those, when we choose forgiveness, we'll go like, oh, my goodness, what was that? Well, that's back to the dimmer sword. Yeah. I choose. You know, I'm a pretty simple person at the end of the day. You know, my life goals were, if I pass first, I want my wife to say she was well loved, not loved. My kids to say I was a good man, not Godly. Because Godly's become weird. You know, it's like my dad was weird, you know, And I want my friends to say he actually lived his theology. It's really as simple as that. Like, I teach that scripture says Jesus died for us while we were his enemies. That's right. But when you're my enemy, I want to kill you. You can choose to live truth and the dimmer switch starts turning up. More wisdom. Or I can choose no, and then guess what? The light either stays the same or dissipated sight. It goes down. But it, I love that. Yeah. It's just a pretty simple. It is choice to say it's still hard, but simple. Yeah. Or it's same with gossip and slander. I can choose to bite my lip. M. When somebody's talking. I mean, what hits you? Somebody's talking good about somebody that hurt you. You want to do something to let them know. No, you don't know what's good, man. Every epistle has something about gossip and slander. Bite my stinking lips. have I come to the point where I like saying nothing? No. I get in the car and I say it out loud to myself. No. Yeah. But I love just to kind of wrap things up. I love. You know, towards the beginning, if I'm remembering this right, you. You pointed out that, you know, when you go through the valley and. And if you. If in choosing obedience, you come out on the other side and you realize that you can handle it, and it wasn't as bad as you thought it was. And. And there's. And I do. That is true. Whether it's approaching your enemy in a grocery aisle, whether it's doing the difficult thing you know you need to do and don't want to take it. Take that step. Obey God, whether you feel it or not. And again, I think, you know, you'll see on the other side of that that you can handle it. You can do it. well, just to wrap things up, I don't know if. Just for a moment, if you want to share. Your last point was about finishing. Finishing, the race or keeping your eyes on the finish line. And you said, no pain, no gain. It's. That is discipleship. It's not a cliche. And went to Hebrews 12:2. And I didn't know if you could just, like, unpack that real quick again, as you kind of did in your message, just as we think about closing things out. so, you know, sometimes I'll speak on this and have somebody come up afterward and go, oh, man, I've been living there a long time. How can I overcome it? And it's like you didn't hear the point. He endured the cross, right. For the joy set before him later on and despise the process. Uh-huh. And I go, well, that's where you are. Yeah, but I've been there for eight years. You might be there all your life. The joy set before you is our eternity with the Lord. That's right. you know, I love Hebrews, where you've got all the winners because they trusted God enough to do what he says. In the end, he goes, oh, by the way, there's all these losers, you know, they were sawn into. They lived in caves. They ran for their life their entire life. And then he says, and they were both commended for their faith and received. He said, those who got the victory on the front end received their Victory together with those who lost. The victory wasn't, this earthly thing. That's an hors d'. Oeuvre. The victory is heaven. Kind of finish this up with one of my favorite passages is, 1st Peter 5, where he, is, talking to leaders, and he says that you'll receive the crown of glory when the chief shepherd, appears. He hasn't appeared yet. You know, we didn't get heaven. No, he actually says, when Jesus returns, and until then, you don't get it. So 2,000 years later, Peter ain't still got his reward. Okay, yeah, he's not enduring and despising the shame anymore. But, to me, keeping my eye on the finish line doesn't mean. Okay, three months from now, it's over. It might be done in three hours or it might be a lifetime. And until we learn to teach and understand, that's the truth, we all have this point at which we begin to go, well, God, you haven't come through. Now it's time to call an audible. That's right. Call the audible. Right. Yeah. No, I love that. Well, there, is so much here I think we can take away. So find something this week. I know I will. That. That I can kind of live out, apply, or try. And again, whether it's thinking about the people in your life you interact with, all sorts of things. But, I really appreciate this conversation. Thank you so much for being with us, Pastor Larry. It's been just a joy. And to you too, as well. Jimmy, Brooks, glad you're with us. Thanks, Stacey. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks so much for tuning in to Beyond the Message. Before you go, just make sure it's to subscribe so you don't miss out on any content in the future. And also, we have content for you all week long on our CCC app, YouTube channel, or even on our website so that you can grow where you are all week long. Share that with friends and with family. Until next time. We'll see you soon.