No F**ks Given: How to Make Menopause Your Superpower

In this episode, Sophie Bell, a trauma-informed breathwork facilitator and women-centered coach, joins host Holly Lamb to discuss the importance of embracing femininity and shifting from a lack mindset to an abundance mindset.

They explore the power of breathwork in reducing anxiety and promoting self-love, as well as its role in menstrual cycle awareness. Sophie also introduces her platform, The Feminine Edge, which aims to empower individuals to connect with their authentic selves and celebrate their femininity.

The conversation highlights the need for a new narrative around menopause, one that recognises it as a time of initiation and growth.

If you want to connect with Sophie further you can reach out to her on Instagram @sophiebellecoaching where you can explore her new platform the Feminine Edge!

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What is No F**ks Given: How to Make Menopause Your Superpower?

Welcome to "No F**ks Given," where we redefine menopause as a superpower. Hosted by Holly Lamb, a women's health coach, who is navigating early menopause. This podcast offers empowering guidance on women's health and navigating perimenopause with confidence. From nutrition tips to fitness advice and mindfulness practices, we cover it all. But here's the twist: it's all about embracing your most authentic, unapologetic self. We're here to help you reclaim your power, say goodbye to societal norms, and live life on your own terms—no f**ks given. Welcome to the revolution!

Holly Lamb (00:01.07)
Hello and welcome to this week's episode of the podcast. This week I have an amazing guest. I'm joined by Sophie Bell, who is a trauma informed breathwork facilitator and women centered coach. So welcome Sophie. How are you today?

Sophie (00:18.348)
Thank you so much, Holly. Yeah, I'm really good, thank you.

Holly Lamb (00:22.062)
How was that introduction? Did I miss anything? Is there anything else you wanna include in that?

Sophie (00:26.316)
The only thing is quite a new thing, which is I have just founded a platform, which is an evolution of my breathwork platform called the feminine edge. So yeah, so everyone always is like, Oh, tell me more. I like that. So it's essentially, and it kind of encompasses everything I do that you just mentioned. It's a platform that really empowers everyone. You know, I, I use women centered coaching, but actually this works.

Holly Lamb (00:35.278)
Oh, nice.

Yeah, that was more.

Sophie (00:55.468)
really well on anyone who wants to embrace more femininity, that kind of intuitive, compassionate, open energy within them, but actually as a real strength, as a real source of power. So you're going into what feels like the softer stuff of vulnerability, but actually what comes out is that edge and that uniqueness that you feel really, really confident in. So.

It's, yeah, it's a platform where I bring all of that together and really healthy people build those unshakable, strong foundations within themselves to really rise up and feel really proud of who they are and have a very regulated nervous system at the same time.

Holly Lamb (01:33.472)
Yeah.

Yeah, which is definitely needed as women, because we definitely live in a very masculine centered world, especially at the moment where we're very much do, do, do. And if you're not doing that, then you're seen to have been lazy or not doing enough. And as women, we need to embrace more of the feminine and realize that's the main part of us. And that's kind of the kind of work I'm kind of diving into a bit more now with the menstruality leadership program that I'm doing.

and bringing in more of the feminine. So this is gonna work quite well. And I think we'll have a really good conversation around this, because it's, I think it's coming more to the forefront now. I think women are starting to lean more into their femininity more and seeing it as a positive thing and as a strong thing rather than a weakness. I don't know if that's kind of what you've come across with doing this work.

Sophie (02:08.876)
Yeah, absolutely.

Sophie (02:26.188)
Yeah, absolutely. I think it's really going from those belief patterns that have kept us in the doing so much, like the classic ones that I'm not enough, I'm alone, I'm invisible. And those are the three main patterns that are seen across women in terms of our subconscious beliefs. So actually moving out of that and rejecting shame because 80 % of girls and women internalize shame from an...

Holly Lamb (02:44.046)
Mm.

Sophie (02:53.452)
I want to say a negative outcome, but honestly, even probably a neutral outcome, something we may perceive as negative. We internalise that shame, we feel like we could have done better. And there's also then that sense that we, you know, 80 % of women don't actually feel, they do feel that they lack in confidence. So the shame compounds that, and then we have this sense of needing to suffer in order to connect with others. And that being the way that we can...

Holly Lamb (02:57.006)
Yeah.

Holly Lamb (03:11.086)
Mm.

Sophie (03:21.324)
amplify each other and come together when actually there needs to be a change and a shift in the way that we view ourselves and that positivity that we can feel in who we are and allowing ourselves to connect on that level, amplifying other women, lifting them up and actually all coming together and really rising and making it a wonderful movement, not just a kind of...

one leader who's a bit masculine who happens to be a woman, but we love what she does, but we could never quite be like her, you know, because I think that's the way that it's been. And I think there's, it's so exciting that there's this shift and this real need to bring femininity to everyone, because it's such a positive thing. And it just means that we give permission to each other to be who we really are. And of course there are skills and there are growth opportunities and

Holly Lamb (03:53.004)
Mm -hmm.

Holly Lamb (04:04.494)
Mm.

Sophie (04:16.94)
There are also, there's a need for structure in certain parts of our life, like business or, you know, even moving house. There are things that we need to actually do, and that's kind of the masculine energy. But if we can tap into that, you know, empowered masculine, empowered female, and not feel that we need to be passive in either, which kind of is where, what the default is, then it really is going to have such a positive ripple effect.

Holly Lamb (04:20.94)
Mm.

Holly Lamb (04:38.188)
Mm.

Sophie (04:43.084)
If you start working on this personally, it has a ripple effect on you and your family. And then you can just watch that kind of just move out now and have positive impact. So it's a really wonderful thing and a really important thing as well.

Holly Lamb (04:48.526)
Yeah.

Holly Lamb (04:53.518)
Mm.

Holly Lamb (04:58.382)
Yeah, I can definitely feel the shift. I've been reading a book called The Goddess Path by Kirsty Gallagher and about how the feminine is rising, about how the goddess is rising and how to work with different goddesses depending on what you kind of need into your life. And the thing she was saying about healing the sister wounds and how women have always torn other women down. And if you think back to like the early 2000s when there was like Heat Magazine and it was like the circle of shame and all those things like cellulite and it's like,

Sophie (05:03.626)
No.

Holly Lamb (05:28.462)
just normal women things, but it was made, you were made to kind of like look at them and degrade them rather than to lift women up. And I think even through school as well, you know, girls picking on other girls. Whereas if now we look at it as a way to lift each other up, rise with each other, celebrate one another, even to the point of celebrating your menstrual cycle, which is so, is also looked upon as,

dirty or horrible is something we have to endure where actually if you look deeper into it, it's something to be celebrated and that's how we can really lean deep into the feminine. But that book I highly recommend if anybody wants to dive more into working with the different goddesses, that's amazing.

Sophie (06:11.148)
Oh yeah.

Sophie (06:17.196)
Yeah, that does sound amazing. And you've really hit on something which is so important, which is actually, there are fundamental things about being a woman that we are made to feel ashamed of. And even, you know, saying the word period, like you can feel it in your body, especially if you say it in a public place. I remember going out for dinner with my friends and I said it and I was, the waiter had come up and I was so embarrassed. And my friends were embarrassed, he was embarrassed.

Holly Lamb (06:33.742)
Mm.

Holly Lamb (06:41.774)
Yeah.

Sophie (06:44.62)
And it was just so wrong because it's such a normal thing. And yeah, and I think we've been made to think that we should represent this perfect ideal of what society believes is a goddess when actually there's so much more to it and there's so much beauty in the feminine form and, you know, and it's actually there's beauty in individuality as well and being different and we can start seeing things differently.

Holly Lamb (06:46.574)
Yeah.

Holly Lamb (06:57.484)
Mmm.

Holly Lamb (07:05.454)
Hmm.

Holly Lamb (07:09.526)
Yes.

Sophie (07:11.756)
And it's really a lack mindset that keeps us in that, you know, there aren't enough men for us or, you know, partners for us. There aren't enough, there isn't enough leadership. There aren't, there's not enough opportunities, not enough money. And if we want too much money, we're not, you know, we're greedy. It's all these different things. It's such a lack mindset. Whereas if we can open up to there being enough for all of us and all of our needs being allowed to be met, then we can, you know,

that can really help and actually starting to change our behavior. So celebrating other women, that is such a powerful message to your subconscious that there's enough for all of us. So if we can just start changing our behavior, that again has a ripple effect. I mean, how nice does it feel when someone says something positive about you, that you feel so good and they feel good and then you might then do that for someone else.

Holly Lamb (07:53.1)
Yeah.

Sophie (08:07.82)
So if you think of it so simply, it really can have that impact when we act like there's enough for all of us.

Holly Lamb (08:15.15)
Yeah, and there is a lot of lack and especially within the media. I mean, I don't watch the news anymore because it's just lack, lack, lack. And I just don't want that in my subconscious or my world. So I just don't, I know enough to get by what's going on in the world, but I just don't need that in my daily life because I'm already on this vibration and I don't want all this negative energy brought into it.

Sophie (08:23.18)
What?

Holly Lamb (08:36.75)
And I think it's so true, we do, a lot of us come from that like mindset, especially with the cost of living. This, you can't afford this, you can't afford this, where actually if you just stop and just think, look what I have, I've got a house, I've got a job, I've got food, I've got a car. You know, all these things that we should be really, really grateful for every single day that we just bypass, because we're looking at our neighbor who's got a nicer car or whatever it is.

Sophie (08:44.532)
Yeah.

Sophie (08:48.65)
Hmm.

Holly Lamb (09:01.708)
I think the media has a lot to answer for that, so if you can kind of shut that out and become your own little bubble, you just feel so much better about everything basically.

Sophie (09:11.404)
Yeah, it's so true. And it's, there's actually no need for this constant narrative either about what's going on. And I know that if there's something we can do to help, then that's kind of a different situation. But for example, my dad gets obsessed with the news, that he is obsessed with the war in Ukraine. And I think for him, it feels like if he knows about it, he's almost giving them his sympathy.

Holly Lamb (09:22.958)
Mm.

Sophie (09:37.108)
And he needs to know, because he wants, I mean, there is parts of him who wants to understand it, but he gets really down about it. And I just think, what good is that doing? Why don't you take some action with that as well and think, if something's really bothering you, then go and take some action. Don't just keep internalizing information. So you actually need more information. We can actually just move forward and.

Holly Lamb (09:58.796)
Hmm.

Sophie (10:04.778)
empower ourselves to create change and be grateful for what we have, like you said, I kind of went off on a tangent there. It is so true and I think just what you said about the cost of living crisis, actually the majority of people I know aren't getting directly impacted. It might mean they don't get to go on as many holidays, but no one I know is really suffering from it, but there's a constant narrative.

Holly Lamb (10:07.374)
Yes.

Holly Lamb (10:12.878)
It was fine, go for it.

Holly Lamb (10:24.494)
Mm. Yeah.

Holly Lamb (10:33.71)
Mm.

Sophie (10:33.964)
And it's detracting from all the wonderful things they have in their life. And maybe being a bit more creative about the holidays they go on or actually getting to go and see the friends or family who they could go and visit. So I think it's, but yeah, when you're like, I can't go on that holiday, that's just, that's not gonna do anyone any good.

Holly Lamb (10:45.838)
Mm.

Holly Lamb (10:54.19)
No, just having a negative mindset about, I know that I do have friends that are very much negative, negative, negative. And I have to get to a point where I just have to put those kinds of boundaries in place and say, I don't want to be involved in this conversation or I don't see them as much because it just brings your energy down. And that's, you don't want that. You want to stay in this high vibe, which, and it's not about being toxic positivity. It's not about that. It's just...

Sophie (11:11.564)
Yeah.

Holly Lamb (11:20.814)
having boundaries and putting them in place. And I think as women, we probably find that the most difficult to do because we feel like that's been selfish, we should do more. And I think then that comes back down to the masculine side of it rather than embracing the feminine. And especially this kind of compounds in perimenopause as well because the anxiety levels start to raise, then you're overthinking everything and then you think you should be doing more. And it's like,

Sophie (11:39.308)
Yeah.

Holly Lamb (11:49.678)
this constant cycle that you get into, because I know you've worked with perimenopausal women as well. So how does your work kind of help them to bring the anxiety levels down?

Sophie (12:00.844)
I think it's really about loving themselves actually. And you touched on something which is, I think, really important, which is that sense that with high vibration, you think you need to be in this kind of toxic positive world. But actually, it's really not about that. It's actually about bringing, coming back to yourself and having compassion for who you are and getting to know who you are and actually seeing the benefits of filling your cup first and that being a positive, having a positive impact on the people you love.

Holly Lamb (12:14.636)
Mm.

Sophie (12:30.412)
So I've no, yeah, I mean, anxiety is a direct impact. I think it's belief patterns when you can change that I'm not enough, because when you're constantly doing, you know, it's very easy to see that that is coming from a lack mindset, which is that I'm not enough pattern. And so when you can change that on a deep subconscious level and start to gather evidence that you are enough, that you are worthy and deserving of the things you want and the love.

And I think coming back to love. And so if that looks like you need to have a day on the sofa watching TV, that's okay. You know, when it becomes a kind of more low vibrational thing, it's when you're on your phone scrolling, you're on your laptop at the same time, you know, you're getting snappy people you're not regulating, like that's when it's not great. But if you're going, you know what, I need a day on the sofa and I'm just gonna give that to myself. That is...

Holly Lamb (13:09.59)
Yes!

Sophie (13:29.804)
Wonderful. So meeting your needs and understanding your needs and just giving yourself an opportunity to connect with yourself. And I love breath work for this because not only does it physically calm your nervous system, which has a direct, directly positive impact on anxiety, but I can't even tell you the profound connection you feel with yourself. I've tried so many alternative things and this was like a...

Holly Lamb (13:53.558)
Yes.

Sophie (13:58.124)
bolt of lightning. It's just incredible because you're healing yourself. You're connecting and feeling that confidence and that alignment comes just from being conscious of the breath and then going into more deep and rhythmic breathwork sessions. But you're also giving your body the space to feel and process trauma.

Holly Lamb (14:13.612)
Mm.

Sophie (14:20.812)
and tension, and I know that trauma is a big word, but actually we all experience mini traumas all the time. So just giving yourself that space to let go and really heal and restore is just the most wonderful feeling. And I always have these conversations with my clients where they've taken that leap of faith and we've started working together and we've gone into stuff more consciously, but then done that subconscious release through breathwork. And they're like...

Holly Lamb (14:26.828)
Hmm.

Sophie (14:47.04)
Oh my God. And I'm like, I know. Thank you for doing this. Because it's unbelievable. So yeah, having that deeper connection, regulating your nervous system and doing the things that you really love as well. Like stop doing stuff that you feel you have to do. Like, you know, you can find love in boring jobs or, you know, I always use the laundry as an example. Like I...

was getting to a point where I was just so fed up with the laundry. It was never completed and I was always just really resentful of everyone in the house. And then I was like, I reframed it and I thought, do you know what, I get to do this. I have kids, I'm lucky. I've always, I've wanted kids and that's what, you know, I've got what I wanted and I have a family and I'm really grateful and I love my family and I actually get to wash, you know, I get to wash their clothes and that's...

sounds silly maybe, but it's actually just, and also using that moment as a time to just do a mundane job as well, just be. It's actually a really helpful way when you can find these things that you may resent, find positivity, but also presence in them. That's my benchmark. So if I start resenting the laundry, I'm like, okay, okay, we should go inward. Yeah.

Holly Lamb (15:45.58)
No.

Holly Lamb (15:50.126)
Mmm.

Holly Lamb (15:59.5)
Mmm.

Holly Lamb (16:06.03)
I need a break. Yeah, it's so true about breath work because I do it and I absolutely love it. And I do do meditation, but I find I can connect to myself more with doing breath work, even just like five minutes. I mean, I started with Wim Hof, that's how I got into it. And then I've been to a few like day retreats where we do proper breath work, you know, like 10 rounds and then you go into the ice bath and all that kind of stuff. And

Sophie (16:22.604)
Yeah.

Holly Lamb (16:35.982)
It does really help to regulate my anxiety when going through early menopause. It's so much better now because I've got all these little tools in my toolbox to help, but breath work is one of those top ones to help when I'm feeling really overwhelmed and feeling really anxious. And a lot of people are like, oh, I'm not sure. I don't know what it's all about. Even my husband, he's like, I don't want to do it. And I'm like, come on. But I've not got him there yet, but.

Sophie (17:01.054)
I'm sorry.

Holly Lamb (17:04.654)
Honestly, like the it's helped me so much and I just wish so many more women would especially going through perimenopause would just give it a go and just try it because it can completely change your life.

Sophie (17:16.172)
It really, really can. And I had absolutely no intention of becoming a breath upset tater, but I did it and I was like, Oh my God, I have to do this. And yeah, I mean, for me, I got into it because I had prenatal anxiety. So although it wasn't related to menopause, it was anxiety and hormonal related as well. And it just made it changed everything. It completely changed everything. And yeah, it's also, you know, it's,

Holly Lamb (17:25.806)
Hmm.

Holly Lamb (17:43.022)
Yeah.

Sophie (17:45.708)
there's kind of the calming factor and there's like stress reduction, but it's also really empowering that you can actually really, especially when people talk about manifestation and wanting to, you know, moving through fear and doubt, visualizing what you want. It's amazing for that because sometimes we don't know why we don't want something. You know, it might feel like say, take a money girl, for example, because I think that money girls are always really helpful because they bring up everything.

Holly Lamb (18:03.31)
Mm.

Holly Lamb (18:13.87)
Yeah.

Sophie (18:14.956)
Okay, so you're kind of, you know, moving to the next money goal and you sit with it and you breathe with it, like you will feel the resistance and you might not know why it's there and you might never consciously know why. Like stuff does come up through breath work and you may get some clarity around feelings or tensions that have been passed down either through actual physical tension and conversations as a child often, but even that sense of lack,

that kind of goes back through generations too. And we can actually let go of that through breath work and empower ourselves and feel that, you know, sometimes we don't like to see ourselves as a vision of success because it's scary and who's done it before in the way we want to do it? Hardly anyone. But it can help us to embody that really is about embodiment, which is such a helpful way of feeling grateful and present. But.

Holly Lamb (18:47.18)
Hmm.

Holly Lamb (19:05.964)
Hmm.

Sophie (19:09.644)
also expanding towards your goals as well. So that really lovely kind of duality of being content but excited for more.

Holly Lamb (19:19.374)
Yeah, that's so beautiful. I love that. And it's so true. I think breath work as well and practicing something called menstrual cycle awareness. So being present in which part of the cycle you're in and tagging that with breath work can really help you to become more in tune with your body, especially around, so I'll use different terms, which is part of the Red Skull. So in a winter, which is your period.

Sophie (19:21.812)
Yeah.

Sophie (19:48.012)
Bye -bye.

Holly Lamb (19:48.59)
Um, so it's the fall season. So in a spring is your follicular, follicular, your, um, in a summer is your ovulation. In autumn is your luteal and then your in a winter is your period. So that's how they break it down. And I just, I resonate that with that so much more than the technical terms. Yeah, it's really good. It's a book called wild power and it's, it's fantastic. It breaks it all down. Um, so to.

Sophie (20:06.868)
Yeah, me too.

Holly Lamb (20:17.23)
to be in your inner winter, you can really tap into your intuition. So to do breath work at that time as well, you can really drop into your body and you can really, like you say, help to manifest, help to see where the resistance is in your body because that's when you are most in tune as a woman with your intuition when you're menstruating. And I think a lot of that's been lost over the years, like back in the day. I mean, you used to have like red tents where women would go and menstruate together and celebrate together.

Sophie (20:47.052)
All right.

Holly Lamb (20:47.182)
And that's just been lost, which is a real shame, but as we can see, things are shifting and the feminine is rising. And I think using breath work and all these little tools can really help to bring you back into your feminine more. And that's what I really want to do. And by the sounds of it, that's what you really want to do with your work as well.

Sophie (21:06.764)
Yeah, absolutely. I think it's just so wonderful to just be, you know, actually just go, oh, I can actually just be me. And I used to struggle with the concept of getting back to me, especially after kids. People used to say, oh, I can't wait, I just want to get back to who I was. And I was like, I don't really know. I just found that really confusing actually, because I didn't necessarily have an amazing relationship with myself before I had kids. And...

Holly Lamb (21:12.268)
Mmm.

Holly Lamb (21:16.046)
Yeah.

Holly Lamb (21:21.966)
Mm.

Sophie (21:36.332)
Now, I think I have a great relationship with myself. And that I think that first step is actually just allowing yourself to be, to just stopping and just going, how am I actually feeling right now? What are my needs right now? And just starting there. And then that's where, you know, being open and vulnerable with yourself, that's where you can really create strong roots in who you are and just understand who you are because you feel it.

Holly Lamb (22:02.158)
Mm.

Sophie (22:04.748)
You don't really need to know, like, oh, I'm this person, I do this. You don't have to label yourself, but just being you.

Holly Lamb (22:11.214)
Yeah, and it's hard just to sit and be with your thoughts and yourself. But I think with, as we head into perimenopause, it does become a time of initiation where you do actually have to kind of face yourself and go, right, who am I? Who really am I? And just start being that person because you get to a point, I mean, that's why the podcast is called No Fucks Given, because you get to a point where you literally don't care and it's fantastic. Like,

And to just get to that point, and if you can get to that point even before you reach perimenopause, then your menopause journey is just gonna be so, so much easier because you're already content with yourself and you're already in tune with your body. And it's just an amazing place to be at. And that's what I wanna help women get to that point and not fear themselves.

Sophie (22:59.596)
Yeah, I love that. Yeah, even at the weekend, I had went away with a group of my friends and they were all like, oh my God, and then we've got the menopause. And I was like, guys, I have heard that the menopause is actually great. And they were like, oh, good for you, but like, it's definitely not. And I was like, well, you just wait, because it will be. And like, you know, I think because I've been on such a self -development journey and they've definitely different friends have delved into different things. But I think, um,

Holly Lamb (23:12.334)
Yes!

Sophie (23:30.444)
they haven't necessarily prioritized it or haven't been a need for it. Whereas, yeah, I really feel that. So it's actually changing that perspective on how you develop as a woman. And apparently, I don't know which culture, but it's actually seen as like a real celebration of wisdom. And yeah, and I was trying to explain that to them. I couldn't remember the exact term, but I was like, guys, we need to change our perspective. Because...

Holly Lamb (23:50.958)
Yes.

Sophie (23:58.508)
If you go into something dreading it, of course it's not gonna be good. You're gonna find every reason that you resent it. But actually if you can be open to change and like you said, actually embracing who you are, then that is a wonderful thing.

Holly Lamb (24:14.446)
Yeah. And it's funny you mentioned that. I mean, I can't remember like which culture, but there was like tribes where the women were celebrated as wise women, as elders who had, who would have tapped into their intuition and were kind of like the medicine women. And they had all this knowledge and just because of the life that they've lived and they've got to this point now where people come to them for advice. And that's rather than being seen as y 'all, you're

Sophie (24:24.268)
Bye now.

Holly Lamb (24:42.124)
you're a menopause, you're on the scrap heap, which is unfortunately what the narrative around it is at the minute. And it's very negative and it's very much looking at symptoms. Whereas actually if you like zoom out and try and look at it from a different narrative, it's a time of initiation, expansion, growth, and stepping into a new power, a new like unapologetic, authentic you.

Which is amazing. That's just what I want to spread. I want to get that narrative off and get this new narrative in.

Sophie (25:14.508)
Yeah, I'm also going to send them this podcast. This is the evidence, okay? Listen to this.

Holly Lamb (25:17.582)
Yes, do it, yeah. This is true story. 100%, yeah, because the more people understand about it, the easier menopause transition will become because more women will be aware of it rather than what the media tells you. So I just wanted to get back to the breath work a little bit and just ask you if there was any kind of specific,

Sophie (25:36.428)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Holly Lamb (25:47.01)
techniques or anything that someone could do maybe just to kind of dip their toe in and see, oh, what can I do to kind of see what's going on?

Sophie (25:56.396)
Yeah, absolutely. So I think that the first, well, there are three places you can start actually, and they're all easy. So the first one is just actually breathing properly because when you're stressed out, you're in a state of fight and flight and your breathing gets into that habit. So if you could just breathe properly, it takes no time. You can do it right now as you're listening to the podcast. You just really simply relax the shoulders, breathe into the belly and just make sure that you're breathing in and out through the nose. So that in itself.

checking that throughout the day, you know, if it's not something you naturally remember, then just putting a reminder on your phone or noticing when you get stressed if you could just come back to that proper kind of breathing technique, that relaxed breathing state. So that's the first one. And the second way is just to learn a couple of really easy techniques that are gonna support you throughout the day. So something that I always come to, my absolute favorite is,

called the four, seven, eight. So you breathe in for four, you hold for seven counts, and you breathe out for eight. Now, just on this, if the hold's too big, too long, sorry, if the exhale feels uncomfortable, just shift it. The most important thing, part of that, is that you're holding it. That activates the vagus nerve. And the slowing of your exhale also activates the vagus nerve. So...

you're really calming your system down. And you will notice if you do that, whether you're in bed and can't sleep, or if you're nervous about going to a meeting, or you're just feeling overwhelmed, just doing that for a few minutes is really, really gonna help. And it's scientifically proven that just three minutes a day of breath work, conscious studying the breath, has a positive impact on your overall vitality and health.

So really three minutes and it doesn't have to be exclusively doing breath work. You can be doing the laundry, you can be walking, you be on the train, wherever. You can be in the car, you know, try not to, if you're feeling really tired, try not to extend your exhale, but it is safe to do anywhere. So yeah, those two. So breathing properly and just learning a couple of techniques. If you can't remember anything, just extending your exhale is positive. And then yeah, doing...

Sophie (28:20.332)
Regular, deep and rhythmic breathwork is what's really going to make a difference overall. It's going to connect you. It's going to release tension if you're able to do slightly longer sessions. And if you work with a breathwork facilitator, it's incredibly powerful to go deeper into old stories. I mean, I can obviously do as much breathwork as I want on my own. But when I go and see a breathwork facilitator, which I do on a regular basis, it's just having that guidance and that space held for you is...

is incredibly powerful. But you can do, I mean, there are loads of ones on Spotify, on YouTube, like it's not hard to find guided sessions. And I've got loads of stuff on the feminine edge, if, you know, people were interested in what I'm talking about generally, because they're also supportive masterclasses and journaling and everything to do with femininity. But you know, there's also that library of audios where you can tap into things because

Breathwork really does support you on every level. But if you just want to find something right now, go on Spotify, go on YouTube, find a guided session and just follow it and do that a few times a week and you will really will notice a difference.

Holly Lamb (29:35.406)
Yeah, I funnily enough had a little health checkup and they did the breath and with the lung capacity and they were like, you've got the lungs of a 25 year old. I was like, oh, thanks so much. Thank you so much. Because I've been doing breath work, because I do it every day because you breathe in properly. And I was like, that's amazing. Like everybody.

Sophie (29:44.78)
Oh...

Sophie (29:50.508)
Yeah.

Yeah, and you've probably got really strong immunity as well, I bet.

Holly Lamb (29:56.27)
Yes, exactly. I very rarely get ill when you know when everyone's got the bugs and stuff. I just don't, I don't pick them up. And yeah, I highly recommend Breathwork and go and check out Sophie's stuff. I'm going to put all your details in the show notes because it sounds amazing, that feminine edge. It sounds fantastic. It sounds exactly what women need at the moment to tap into that femininity, just to kind of dip their toe in and see what's going on and see what it's all about.

Sophie (30:08.3)
Oh, thank you.

Sophie (30:18.38)
Yeah.

Sophie (30:22.764)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and it's a lovely community and I only launched it last week so it's also really intimate at this point. So yeah, and we do group coaching and things. So there really is that opportunity to actually untangle things and get new perspectives and learn how to, you know, love and connect with yourself as well.

Holly Lamb (30:42.136)
Oh, amazing. Well, I think we'll leave it there because that was just a lovely ending to it. That was so lovely. Thank you so much for joining me, Sophie. It's been amazing. I've absolutely loved this conversation. And like I said, I'll put all the information in the show notes so everybody can check you out and connect with you and see what breathwork is all about.

Sophie (30:44.428)
Yeah. Ah.

Sophie (31:01.324)
Amazing, thank you so much Holly.

Holly Lamb (31:03.726)
Thanks everybody, thanks for joining this week and I will see you next week for episode seven.