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Just in time to kick off winter, Jen and Jillian are back for the fifth season of Juicy Bits! To kick things off, we're taking a stroll down memory lane, revisiting some of our favorite moments from past episodes. If you're new to our podcast, welcome. If you've been listening for a while, we're so happy you're back. Have a few minutes? Leave us a review wherever you listen to podcasts and send ideas and love to [e-mail].

What is Juicy Bits?

We created Juicy Bits because we wanted to continue the conversations that we start out on the trail and on the chair lift. Hosted by our CEO Jen Gurecki and Ambassador Jillian Raymond, they talk candidly about everything from dude soup, to sex, to politics, to equity in the outdoors. We occasionally (read: frequently) drop F-bombs, interview some of the most interesting people in the outdoors and beyond, and say things that many of us think but don’t feel comfortable saying out loud. If you are easily offended or looking for something that is G Rated, this is not the podcast for you. But if you love truth-telling and irreverence, get ready to laugh, cry, and maybe pee your pants a little bit. 

Hello and welcome. I'm Julian Raymond, the co creator of Juicy Bits and a coalition Snow ambassador. And I'm Jen are your co host and the CEO of Coalition Snow. For those of you who are new, get ready to laugh, cry, and maybe peer pants, a little Juicy Bit is about taking the conversations that we start on the chairlift and at the trailhead and bringing them to you to explore alternative narratives that challenge the status quo about what it means to be a modern woman in the outdoors. Grab your helmet because sometimes it's a bumpy ride. Fyi friends, this podcast is for mature audiences, so you've been warned. Let's get to work and juice the patriarchy. Here we are. Season five of Juicy Bits. I don't know who's more surprised that we've made it this part is it our listeners who are surprised that we're still doing this year five, or is it us? Jillian? I don't know. I mean, it's really hard to say who's more surprised? Also, the other thing that's really difficult to know, except for, like, all the analytics that tell us how many people are listening. Are people still listening to us? Ideally, the answer is yes, that you still enjoy Juicy Bits. The point is the humor and the laughs, the occasional tears and the reflection. But we're, you know, really, I show up, though, just to hang out with you because you're one of my most favorite people in the world. So I just get to have conversations with one of my besties and we record it and share it with the world. So here we are in season five of Juicy Bits, and we're going to do it. We're going to do this for the whole season because I just want to talk to you pretty much. I kind of can't believe it because I feel like the time Warp of the hit show we've been existing in. I'll digress a little because those of you who've been with us for a while, you know, this happens regularly, but I had a great chit chat with a friend today caught up, and she was dealing with someone like, reeling for not really a reeling type experience, and everyone has their they're like stories. We want to validate that. But it was like something simple, excepting in Dump. But the point was like life has felt so fucking hard for everyone lately. And so for me, I'm like, Wait, season five, I'm like, where are we doing? Where did the time go? So I couldn't be more thankful to be here because not only do I adore the conversations, but Jen, as a friend and a mentor and someone who I love spending time with, it's one of the ways that not only does it help us get together, but it also helps us kind of check and learn from each other, which I feel like is a constant, constant part of the practice, right? And seeing where we're at. And for those of you who are new to Juicy bits, welcome and sorry. And you're welcome. You have to put that out there, right? No, I don't say unpack anymore. So you're welcome. I'm still kind of UN backing shit all the fucking time, trying to figure out where it came from, where it's going. But really, here's what you can expect. This sense of us coming from conversations on the trail, on the chairlift, which I was actually thinking of today on my smoky run, which is less than glorious. And I was like, you know, what? Can I feel like? We've kind of fucked up a little because we actually haven't been able to be on the trail and on the chairlift a ton together. So I know for me a lot of the conversations I'm starting and ending or in my own head. And so then getting us together here to record health and which also helps is the connection and the relationship and us being supported by coalis and snow. You as a CEO, me as an ambassador since the beginning, our love, the mountains, our love for getting humans out on the snow, for getting our humans outdoors. And I really feel that we, you know, we were doing the best we can, right? And I have a little one. Those of you have been with us have maybe heard Mica on air or you you heard me talk about her, but she reflected to me recently one of my phrases, and I couldn't have been more proud. But I was also pretty stunned. I say to her often, we're our best selves every day we're showing up as we are, and we're not perfect. And so I had a moment of spazzing out or doing something, and she put her hand actually on me so soothing. And she was like, Mommy, you're not perfect. You're just showing up as you are. And I was like, Mother fucker, you are reflecting it back at me, but is so in context, and it's so perfect because it's helping me chill the fuck out. And so thank you, Michael, let me listen to this. Someday, when mature audiences only for all my students, we should say that ear muffs every time. It's never not going to not have the F bomb dropped a bunch of times in sexual innuendos, every time. Every time. Yeah. I'll just I mean, all the time current vibrator. So I appreciate you bringing it up, because I think it is important both for new listeners and to also remind existing listeners that were just two human beings. We're just people. And we actually as individuals. We are actually really committed to growth and learning and to social justice. And we have been for a really long time, like decades, decades, through careers and graduate degrees and community work and partnerships. You and I have been doing that in separate ways. But we come together here and there's absolutely nothing that we say that is the gospel, and it is not. We are not perfect, and we will make mistakes. But we certainly and all fighting is important to think about Juicy Bits in the context of all the things that we do in this podcast isn't the end all be all of the work of our contributions to community. It's a piece of so I really encourage people to sort of participate in a lot of the different things that we do at Coalition, whether it be CC magazine or operate a Light or, you know, the random shit that happens on our Instagram or the newsletter that I send out every Thursday called Lady Parts or The Club House, which is an incredible resource for people and community. And there's all these things going on. And really Juicy Bits is just like tiny sliver of just conversation between two friends who've chosen to just kind of open it up to the world. And we're normally we're, like, relatively craft most of the time moderately articulate. We do sometimes more than others. That's it. We do. But we this is like a way that we connect. And we hope that the conversations that we have here connect with our listeners, too. And these are like, these are the conversations with your fat. Like, these are the conversations you have when you're on the trail. These are the conversations you have on the trail left. These are the conversations you have, you know, in the parking lot like, this is just the random shit you talk about. And that's what we do here. You might think about finding some new partners because the energy and time we put into planning and the weather and all the things that go around that's important, right need to keep us safe. And we're kind of like we're accessing things in a way so we can see another day so we can have a successful backpack so we can feel safe. But we also want to take those spaces and use for me very much so that energy and that that time in the mountains is totally a refuel and an Energizer to do good work and to do deep work. So you're out with the right people. You're having those conversations that you learn from others, you're the teacher to others. And then you're also to your point on, like, we we're constantly learning. And we also love the feedback that comes to us that calls us out when we're not in the right because we're not perfect, right? We're showing up as we can. And what I love is when we get the opportunity to learn from listeners. I also get a piece when friends are like, Julian, I've missed you. So I re binge season one and two because I just wanted to hear your voice, and I'm like, thank you. That's adorable. What else can I do better? What else can we learn? And what else did you get from that mention of the social justice work I can picture. And I was driving this recently because we were on evacuation. I was coming back over the 17 and on my way back from the coast. And I remember sitting with one of my first principles. So this is, you know, 16 years ago and I made the comment around our schedule and the lack of equity I saw in relationship to where our students of color were. And I was like, you know, for me, this is really a social justice issue, and she turned to me and she was like, what do you mean? What is that? And I was like, all right, well, if I'm the one, if I'm the 27 year old new teacher defining this for you, then this is giving me a whole window into the world and the systems of education that need complete shared language and a complete understanding of how flow the system is and how the functional has been. And so it's one of those points that I look at where my work is, then to be able to bring the best that I can to these spaces. And sometimes I do that on the show a little get off on those education tangent. And I've gotten funny messages. I have two teacher friends that listen. So Hi. Everyone say their names are hopefully they're here with us in season five, but they've come back and literally given me the like, thank you because you address something in juicy bits that was pissing me off. That's happening in our district. And I'm like, awesome. I'm not trying to name stuff, and I'm not trying to call people out. I'm just, as you said to it, we're both doing it through our separate angles. Well, I think that's a really good way. I think to start off this first episode is around our lenses. So you're an educator and you have PhD in education tutorials. You have gone through extensive education to become a leader in educated. You're a high school teacher. That's what you've chosen to do. You've always advocated for your students. You've done so much with trying to get them to particularly first generation students to get into College, which is pretty spectacular. And that's kind of like been your lens. And for me, you know, I'm someone who has spent a considerable amount of time in East Africa with a nonprofit that I started there and building a Kenyan team to sort of decolonize the nonprofit that I started, a nonprofit world, obviously through coalition snow. As a small business owner, this is generally living life in a way that women are told not to live. I'm 44 years old. I am not married. I never have been. I do not have children. I never will. And like, what that means to sort of just like, not fit the mold ever. And I think where you and I come together is our love of theory. And information and accuracy and just sort of like looking at acknowledging the privilege that we have in this world. And what is it that we can do to make this world a better place? So you just sparked a great memory for me when you brought up the child list by choice. Right. So I'm going to take so if I can, like a few of my favorite favorite juicy bits that we've done over the last four seasons because it's almost like an anniversary. I don't really know this. So maybe we'll just, you know, you got a bottle of bullet coming your way down, and I can't wait to drink it with you. We could have it, like, what will be like, the Brown? That's how it started. But it's like five years old. A podcast like, five years in podcast. Life equals, like, 30 years in real life is kind of like dog life. It feels like it a little bit we have from our this is from season one. So we're going way back. Yep. I'm in it. Right. And this was the children to take. So, Julian, there are some women who definitely feel the pressure, like, they have to get married. They have to have kids, and society tells them that that's where they'll find their worth. And that's how they're defined. And I think what ends up happening is if you hit a spot where you can kind of see yourself outside of that, and it's a little bit of a shift. And it's also I would say it takes a little bit. I don't know if courage is the right word, but the place to say, I don't care if I get married or I don't care if I have kids. And you find the things that actually bring you some great joy. My goal in College wasn't to find a husband. It was to be bilingual. And I studied abroad in Spain. And so I think it comes down to you putting some of your priorities and things that actually give you great joy, as opposed to maybe a societal pressure. What I love about this so much was we have a lot in common, right? But our position on children very opposite end. And I came to being a mom way later. I will say to all my mom friends out there that are listening where your kids are older than mine. I was pretty insensitive. Two moms and two children. They would show up the places, and I'd be like, that was your fucking choice. That's your problem. I don't why? I don't care. It doesn't have to be. Music doesn't have to be lower. I don't have to be more sober again. You brought a kid. You did that. They're kind of like again. And I actually like other children other than my own, but they're pretty fucking annoying, and they're completely demanding, and they're energy sucking. And, you know, like, I hear Mama, Mama, I hear it sometimes 100 times before 08:00 a.m.. It's very real. So pre choosing to be like, you know what? I think I actually want to have a family. And I'm very thankful that I could we have a healthy child. We have a little tripod as we call ourselves. But, man, I was like, fuck all of you and your kids. And so what I love is I was like, we were kind of on the same page. And then until we weren't. And then I love the just a reshaping of child list, like, Choice child free, just really setting it up and stop asking women. So spoiler alert. We're going to go through the like, shit to stop saying as we get into season five. But it's so interesting. And maybe Jen, you still get asked. It right. The shit of like, well, when are you having kids? Why don't you have kids? We get it a lot with why aren't we having more? And then I get the lecture about siblings and who's going to take care of the fill in the blank. And I'm like, we're done like, thanks. This is fun, like, for the playground chat, but I'm going to let my daughter, like, kick some witch if at you and we're going somewhere else because it's just not anyone's business. So for me, favorite one of my favorites because there's a lot and I'll let you kind of chime in, but I really appreciate it because again, we come from opposite ends of the spectrum sometimes. And then we can just make it work. And I have to say, at ten, you're fucking great with kids. I'm not telling you to have your own. Actually, you are. You're fucking awesome. And it's really cool because you connect. Michael loves you when she hears Reno. She's like, Jen is there and we drove to the airport. He's like, it's like, there's a connection. So, you know, it's fun and very good at one of my favorite episodes. Okay. Because the episode is all about a real experience that we had in real life, which is Duke Soup. So on Today's show, which is notably episode One for Juicy Bits, we're going to talk about Dude Soup. The entire episode of Dude Soup was really like, that entire episode came together because Jillian and I were at the Snow Sports of America SIA trade show. This was prior to SIA and outdoor retailer merging. Right? So it was just snow sports. There were not all these other outdoor brands to sort of, like, temper the vibe. And we had a small little booth there, which was then co opted by other brands who loved our idea of, like, the Tiniest Home, which was the outhouse. We had this amazing, like, outhouse scenario. There's photos to prove it. And we did this test. Excuse me. I'm drinking wine. That was that pause. We did this test. How would people respond to somebody walking through the trade show with toilet paper on the back of the foot. So we had custom toilet paper printed out that said, Hope your days as nice as your ass. Coalition snow. And we were like, putting this toilet paper everywhere. Well, Jillian put a piece of toilet paper on her foot, underneath on her heels and was walking through the trade show, and I was recording it like, maybe 20ft behind. And some people were like, Excuse me, ma'am, you have something on your foot, and other people are just laughing behind her back. And so then I would go to people be like, Why are you laughing at her? Like, Why wouldn't you just say, like, this is the whole thing. They did not. Okay, surprise, surprise. The the the white SIS met straight men did not like it when we're like, Why are you being Dick? They did not like being called out on that at all. You coined the term dude soup, which is basically like being in this gravy, this liquid, like, surrounded every bit of your fucking body. There's no space. And you just surrounded by dudes by toxic Bros. And it's like, all over you like soup. Jillian and I have had this experience multiple times at different industry events where you walk into a room and it just feels like you don't fit in. And there's this energy. And any woman who's been in the same position. I think there's probably a lot of women right now, like nodding their heads and laughing a little bit. But the dude soup is this feeling of not being able to escape of male energy that really has permeated most outdoor spaces. I think it's because of that is one reason why you see a lot of women wanting to do their own thing and having women only events and coalition having a women only company because you don't feel included. And I don't think it's just the dude soup not fitting in. Where's my penis? I think it's the invitation that's sort of invisibly extended to males and not to females. Yet by females not feeling included. There's a lot that's missing from the table. And I think that level of diversity, that ability to bring in different skill sets and frames of mind would really benefit from it. And I think the males in the industry would benefit from it as well. But because that's how it's always been done to have the women only companies, the women only industries. It feels as if it's like competition or it's in reaction to as opposed to being like, no, we're trying to open the space more. We don't want the guys to get all steamy and soupy. When we bring this up, it's like we're kind of opening up the conversation and be able to talk about it in a way that isn't defensive or that isn't guilt provoking. We recorded an entire episode on Dude Soup, which I think is going to go down in history as one of the greatest episodes ever. When was that season two or season one? I'm looking at it. I think that was our very first episode, and we're so the juicy bit. And we're like, I think we're recording this in my bedroom with the blankets on the windows, really close to each other, like, using garage and the funny big microphones, because the thing I had real, too, is I was like, Wait, I can't name this. I'm like, they're cooking sausages. They're just drinking. I love all this shit, but, oh, my God, where there's no space, there is no space, which I think is also a really nice testament to the evolution in respect to the humans that you interview to the work that we've been able to do around inclusion and just the sense of, well, fuck that. That's what it is. It's not what it has to be. So this idea of things being constructed and things being like, the quote, unquote normal or this is how it is. No, it doesn't have to be. So we get to do something different. And as long as we make the space for it and we're louder and were persistent and we're focused and we're fucking funny. That's good. Take that you and I think were funny. I know. I will say we are hilarious. I will say me too, was one of my and again, I'm going way back. One of the things with that is to me, not only is it a favorite because there was a lot of vulnerability in it, but I'm also like, Hello, like, we're still fucking battling daily. There's a misconception that things like this don't happen to strong women. People don't think that strong women face emotional and physical abuse or that we suffer or that perhaps were strong because we've had to deal with this shit. And when I was going through my situation, my friends couldn't believe that someone like me would tolerate this abuse and be in so much fear every single day. And what I realized is that this isn't really about women being strong or weak because it's not about us. It's about week men, weak men who haven't joined the 20 century weak men who are afraid of change, who can't acknowledge their insecurities, who cannot see past their historical privilege, week men who feel better about themselves and expand their power by making others feel like shit. I know what society has taught them that they can do and think that they can get away with and who is going to be on my side, God forbid, or in a situation where I'm needing to speak up for myself. And I've seen this happen in workplace environments and friends and relationships. And it kind of goes back to what you started us with in that idea of seeing it on social media and seeing women's stories pop up. It's like, yes, you've been maybe given a little bit of that safety in numbers, but the awareness has been there for thousands of years. Me too. Movement. I heard a lot of men say we had no idea that this was such an issue. And perhaps that's because women have learned that you are safer when you are silent. It's always a battle. It's always a battle. So just what we're looking at right now with voter suppression, looking at things related to abortion and looking at ways in which there's a constant attack on rights that allow women to not only to be believed to be heard, to be seen as agents of their own fucking lives and change. Everybody just has to go listen all the way through through season one right now. I think that's what this is. It's like we're like, welcome to describe if your new pause stop me right now, unless you already go back what you might have and you go back. We're there. And then you can kind of get all the things. Oh, my God. Can you please get back on Tinder? Because I would love to do another fucking trainer. Oh, my God. We go from. So what industry do you work in? And then his next message is sweet. So I like women. So I like women your age for many simple reasons. I think you're very attractive. And I'd like to meet you to see if we click not looking for anything more than going and doing something fun every once in a while, when you're in town and have time, I have an explosive amount of sexual energy that I'd like to share with someone of quality. Wow, Max, way to fucking bring it. I'm saying, like, we're literally we're literally one, two, three for that's message. Six. I've read it a few. Like, how do you respond to that? Like, hey, Max. Hey. Hey, Max. Great to hear you have so much explosive sexual energy. Like, cool. So do you go? And now I use the Internet. I love the Internet. Do you go then? And I mean, are you writing a review for this guy? Do you give him no stars? It does. You go back and swipe. Maybe I cannot. No, no. I love you too much. You're I'm not getting back on Tinder, and I'm happily single right now. Like, no, no human. Tons of friends, tons of friends, but no intimate human. I am so fucking happy. I can't even stand it. I ended a thing recently and I woke up the next morning and I was like, oh, my God, I feel so good. Who knew how good it could feel? So I'm so happily single right now that I cannot get on to any dating apps. Although I don't think there's anything wrong with dating apps. Hinge is my preference. I think it's more fun. It's the funnest of the apps. If you just want to, like, fuck off. It's like a fun app, so no judgment on anybody who's on them. I just actually don't know if it's possible for me to form relationships with people after COVID and after all the shit in the world because I have zero tolerance, I cannot hear your air quote if you're watching this video opinions about why vaccines maybe aren't good or not wearing Macs or anything about BLM or all the things. Now there are so many things now where I'm like, I can't talk to you. So it's just wild card to meet someone new because the likelihood of it ending and me telling someone to fuck off and then I leave and then it's like wasted time and money. I probably slap the fucking couple twenties down on the fucking table and it's a few hours of my life. I'm never going to get back. This is a scenario I built in my head. Also, I could meditate around this because these are the stories that we tell ourselves and Christy people taught me that and so I can chill on that. But I don't want to meet new people. I'm happy with the people in my life. I have a good group of people that we don't have to debate, the things that aren't debatable. But if I do decide that I'm going to get back on dating apps, I will get back on Hinge and I will just go to town and then we can record around what happens, which will likely be lots of this straight men matching with me, talking with me and never being able to seal the deal. That is likely what will happen. We can send them a link from season two. We're not nice, which was another one I love. Nice is how we're supposed to be nice is just so easy until you think about all of the repercussions of it being one of the strongest forms of cultural capital. Niceness maintains social structures. It helps keep things clean, orderly, homogeneous, and controlled. Niceness requires angry people to shut the fuck up. Perhaps that's why I don't get invited to holiday dinners at anyone's house anymore. But I have this hunch that you're not nice either, even if you come across that way, because you and I both recognize that we live in a world where we can't afford to be anything but nice, because if you're not, you won't get that raise or that date or those Insta likes. You won't get all of the things that society has promised you. Nice is limiting. Nice is dumb. Nice reinforces toxic masculinity and racism and oppression of all kinds. Niceness restricts our agency. It's what's gotten us into this mess in the first place. Now, to be clear, I'm not advocating for people to be assholes. We've got enough of those around. I would love to see people be kind. Kindness is hard. I'm so sick of having to be fucking nice. I kind of talked about this in the episode. I'm actually very kind human, but not always nice, and I'm sick of defending that. It's New York, and it's East Coast, and it's this because it might be all of that. But I don't care. I lived in California for 20 years, but I'm like, no, it's actually just being fucking efficient. And I'm like, sometimes you are not deserving of the energy, and I will be kind to you. And I'm not gonna judge you. No, but I'm not. Yeah, we're not nice. And that's not. We had an episode on that. I wrote a whole piece. I think that the piece that I wrote where I spoke. I presented this an outdoor retailer. I think that was, like, the intro to this. And one thing, one thing that's really stuck with me from that podcast. That episode that you and I did was your partner. It was amazing. I just love Brennan to death, like, every single thing about him. I just like, he's so fun. I can hang out with him without you all the time. As you know, we do know is a human. He's so good. But I remember you telling me that some of the people and his wife have come to him and been like, Jillian, like, Is she can you blah, blah, blah. And what what totally got me about that is that I have known you for so long and never once in my life have I been like, Jillian, you tone it down. That like, and I just thought, like, there are just people, I mean, as we all know who cannot deal with strong women, just can't fucking deal with it. And here are these motherfuckers going to your partner as if he actually has any control over you to tone you down. But also, he married you for who you are. So what the fuck is that noise is so obnoxious that anybody would even, like, bring anything up to him. But then also, it's just incredibly surprising to me, because I'm like, I don't see her like that. So what's wrong with all of them? And also, how would I say you could probably, like, maybe picture, but I'm going to just give a little for those of you who listed, you know, I love my son, the sea, and I love there's two type of women. There's two types of women. We're going to take a little, like, the way we were the Katy girl and the curly hair girls. And I'm like, the one thing about Brendan is he loves the fact that I'm gonna speak my fucking mind. And I think he but he's also the essential peacekeeper. And I'm like, Brendan, you're so beyond that, it's fucking bullshit because the fact that this person is threatened by the fact that you and I are partners and we're equals and we do things together. It's so fucking old. It's so lazy. It's so boring. And it's toxic won't be around it. I won't expose my daughter. It's bullshit. And that's why he's kind of like, Well, and I'm like, no we're done. We're done. We're done. Yeah. It's not worth the energy. And I also feel, pardon me. I'm not going to have even fucking simple, maybe a compassion thing. But I'm like, I don't know, there's such a wider world and you're well traveled. I know you're not galivanting, right? We're still not there yet. You're still on galivanting? No. That was another good good fit from an episode. But having lived in different places around this country, lived around the world. There's definitely a sense of a bubble in this community that I do choose to call home, and I'm very grateful for. But I also find frustrations in and one of my great mentors was part of the reason that you're meant to then land back there is so that you can be that voice of some disruption around all the bubble noise. So you can be the one, the loud voice of the table. You can be the one that brings certain things up because everyone just can put their Blinders on and think nothing's really wrong. And I'm like, awesome. I will take that with, you know, momentum because it's kind of who I am anyway. And I like, I don't know. I'm well, one of the things that I'm thinking about right now is here we are reminiscing about the early years of juicy bits as we acknowledge that we're in year five and Holy shit, our lives are so different. Like, you have a child, right? Like, you have a child. We've been through a global pandemic. We have, like, everything in our lives has just been completely appended. And we're having these conversations in a completely different world than we were five years ago. And, you know, certainly the world in which we experience now it's different for everyone. And the world has always been difficult for the global majority. Always right. And we're privileged to be able to enjoy the things that we enjoy. But this is the conversations that we have and things like we're not having these conversations about, like traveling the world and, you know, being a trade show because it doesn't exist for us anymore. Although I did get to go back to Kenya this summer, and that was lovely, but I don't know. Here we are. It's season five. We have some things planned for all of you. We have some really, just like, we just want to have fun and have interesting conversations. We have some things planned. We have some people who are going to interview that we're really excited about. And our season sort of runs, like through the winter, like through the ski season. So think of us as your like, October through early May companions. As you drive up the mountain, you can put us on play. And even though we have things planned, we would absolutely love to hear from all of you. So if you've made it this far, this is your call to action. We would love to hear from you. If there's anybody who you'd like for us to interview, or if there's certain conversations that you'd like for us to have or issues that you'd like for us to discuss and you can email us, Hello, a coalition snow. Com. You actually reach out anything. Coalition Snow anyway, you reach out to us like DNS on Instagram Live chat, email in a club house, anything that you do, if you just say like, these are some things that we'd love for you to talk about, how we'd like for you to interview, we will do our best to make that happen. I'm just, like, a bit surprised I even kid last night was like, Are you still recording Juicy beds? Like, how long has that been? We're still doing this and it's I don't know, Jillian. I think we're just going to keep doing this because you and I couldn't agree more. We love each other, and hopefully somebody else wants to listen in. That's it. We're here for you to use those of you, all that have been with us. And the other thing I would say, Jen, reach out to us. But also here's another call I'd love to have is you're that human, that's sitting there being like, I want a beer and juicy birth. I have a lot to say. I'm that person tell us. That would be so fun, because I will say going back to just one last little tidbit of a phase episode. You're trying to keep it through juicy bit, but one of our girl that has supported us that reached out after our episode on abortion and some of the work that we were like, we're going to do this. Not only is it super positive, Dancin, but somewhere we're like, come on, talk to us like this is a thing let's do. This is not exclusive. So be that person that's like, you want me on your show and we had a conversation with somebody who's pro life. We had a pro life episode. She's pro life and we're pro choice, and we have the most productive conversation is imagine that in the world that we live in today that we have a productive conversation with a pro lifer. And Jen, shout out to you, you know, you're there. You're listening. We got, you know, because again, we want the challenge, we want the community. And again, we're here to listen and learn and not be perfect, but fucking show up every day to do the work up. Alright, everyone. Now, you know, we're happy that you're here. We'd love to hear from you. Reach out to us. Hello, coalition Snow or any Coalition Snow channel. And we cannot wait to share this winter season with you happy. There we go. Who can tell you too much of life? We'll find a place with his room to grow and yet we just begun.