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Film reviews that are real, introspective and fun!
Hey, everyone. I'm Shakyra Mabone.
Jack:I'm Jack Williams.
Kyra:And welcome to Really AN, a podcast where we're taking moments of reeling the best and worst film moments while keeping our commentary a % real.
Jack:So grab that popcorn, and let's reel it in.
Reza:Yes. But before we do
Jack:that, before we reel it in, we have our first guest here today.
Reza:Hi, Reza. Hey, Reza.
Kyra:Reza. Welcome to Reelita Inn. So excited. Are you excited to be here?
Reza:Yes. Very much so. Especially because of what we're talking about today.
Kyra:Oh, yeah.
Jack:Yeah. I, and we are talking about Planet of the Apes for the people at home listening. That's crazy. Yeah. And I sent out a message in our Slack channel, sometime last week, and I was like, does anyone wanna talk about Planet of the Apes?
Jack:And Reza responded pretty quickly and was like, yeah.
Reza:I actually tried to, like, hold myself back from responding too.
Jack:That's awesome. Yeah. Because yeah. And she was like, I'm actually, like, really into it. I was gonna she you actually said you were gonna talk to me about doing it if we didn't already.
Jack:Yeah.
Reza:No. Because, my favorite type of movie are the ones where, like, it kinda plays with the idea of, like, civilization, what it means to be civilized. And that's what, like, the Planet of the Apes entire movie series from its conception has always been about. Mhmm. And I went on a serious binge of, like, watching it all and then forcing my family to watch it all and then getting my grandma to eat with tuna.
Kyra:These are so long. Like, I remember growing up watching it with my granddad Mhmm. And I was like, tune in, but not really because so how long it is. But I just literally watched some of them, like, what what was it, this past weekend? And I was like, sheesh.
Reza:So long, but it's so worth it. Right. No. Because my first experience with the movie was, like, it was always the one that was, like, playing in a hotel room Yeah. Like those random channels.
Reza:And I always got, like, glimpses of it. And then, I saw it on Hulu. And I was like, you know what? Maybe I should Wait.
Kyra:It's on Hulu.
Jack:It's so weird, actually, with that one because it's one of those series where I I thought
Kyra:it was on Tubi.
Jack:Yeah. I thought the original would be on Tubi because Tubi is my savior.
Reza:Hulu. Or at least it wasn't in the summer.
Jack:Oh. Yeah. Oh. Oh.
Reza:Maybe it's
Jack:a movie. Because I when I watched it, I had to rent it. Oh. But I think with the the newer ones, like, the newer three or four, I think it's one of those situations where, like, different companies, like, own the rights to, like, each movie despite them all being in the same franchise. And then, like, it ended up, like, I think one's on HBO Max, one's on Hulu.
Jack:Or two of them are on Hulu, and then another one's, like, somewhere else. But I always find that super interesting. Those new movies are great. I grew up on, I wouldn't say I grew on it, but the first rise was Rise of the Planet of the Earth.
Reza:Rise of the Planet of the Earth.
Jack:Rise of the Planet of the Earth. One of those things that, like Yeah.
Kyra:That's my brother's favorite. We used to just watch it, like, over and over and over again.
Jack:And I actually I watched it recently for That's the one
Kyra:with Tom Felton in it. Right?
Jack:Yeah. Tom Felton and James Franco, which but,
Kyra:It's a shame. Yeah.
Reza:Any of you? I,
Jack:had to watch it for a for an English class recently. Mhmm. Which was it was totally we had to watch it with, it was that and a movie called Babe, which if you've ever seen Babe Wait.
Kyra:I said the pig?
Jack:Yep.
Reza:Wait. That
Kyra:was one of my favorite childhood movies. Yeah. Oh my gosh.
Jack:Which, you know, they're kinda different movies. Right? It's not even Planet of the Apes. But Yeah. Yeah.
Kyra:It's kinda a tab is similar, though.
Jack:Yeah. I mean, we were talking about it was the class was on domestication. So we talked about it in reference to, animals, people, the domestic space, like in a household. It was a really interesting class. Professor Solano, one of my favorite MSU professors.
Jack:She's awesome.
Kyra:That sounds pretty dope.
Jack:Yeah.
Kyra:Yeah. So I was just watching the first, like, original Planet and Apes, 1967. What's the who's the director again? It's It's right in my head.
Jack:Oh, yeah. It's let me I got my notes. Franklin J Schaffner Mhmm. I think is his name.
Kyra:Yeah. And he basically, like, adapted from the book.
Reza:Now, how
Kyra:do you feel about, like, book to film adaptations?
Jack:I I'm a fan. I I always like,
Kyra:Reza will like cheap. Actually Have
Jack:you read the book, Reza?
Reza:I have not read the book. The original book is in French, which I'm absolute enough to read it. Okay. But, like, book to film, it's controversial. Oh, yeah.
Reza:Some definitely benefit a lot more than others. I feel like Planet of the Apes, especially with the first couple movies that came out, like, I struggled initially with they look stupid. They look
Kyra:so stupid. We makeup artists and the designs and the costume designs. Oh, listen.
Jack:Well, I think yeah. And those first two ones, they just they they just looked like hairy humans.
Reza:Right.
Jack:They weren't really and and I think it got to the point if you watch, like, if you watch by the time you get, like, the fourth one.
Kyra:Have a reference picture or something.
Jack:I'm not sure we could probably yeah. We could get that right reference picture. But, it was I think by the fourth movie, the budget had just, like, dropped so exponentially. No. That but it was just, like, it it it wasn't apes anymore.
Jack:It's, like, all all of the ape the ape was lost by the Fourth Floor.
Reza:It was
Jack:not like They were apes, but there it was
Reza:Like, look at that.
Jack:Exactly. Battle for the planet of beings.
Reza:Especially with, like, what the movie or, like, the story is generally about.
Jack:The fact
Reza:that they look so human, like, completely took you out of it. Yeah. And you weren't as, you know, captured by the idea, like, this used to be our can I say that? This used to be our planet, but now it's not. Yeah.
Jack:Spoiler. I don't know. If you haven't seen that if you don't know about that spoiler
Reza:Right.
Jack:Where have you been?
Reza:But, like, with the newer movies, like, obviously, we have the benefit of CGI and stuff. Yeah. Like, you you kinda get that, like, horror or element almost at the end of the end that, like, these things that we see as, like, creatures or, like, uncivilized or, you know, these wild animals are able to do the things that we do so well. Yeah. They're like uncanny valley.
Kyra:Yeah. That is like a horror because just imagine, like, I would be scared.
Jack:Yeah. Yeah. %. That's actually what we talked about in my class or something I talked about and I was really fascinated by was this idea that it's it's fully playing on our fears of, like, of scientific advancement. We're not we're not afraid of scientific advancement.
Jack:We're afraid of the product of our scientific advancement coming back in that way. We don't we don't like the thought that, like, we we torture animals. Right. We don't like the thought of vivisection. We tend to ignore it.
Jack:So it's basically saying, hey, there's this thing that you're so, you're you you just kinda, like, don't pay attention to that's very real in society. Like, I mean, animal experimentation is still very real, albeit to a lesser extent than maybe in the past. But, it it's saying, like, hey, you can't hide from that anymore, you know?
Reza:No. It confounds a disconnect that we have as humans. Because I mean, logically speaking, we know that we're animals. We know that, like, we share a lot in common with apes. Mhmm.
Reza:But we have a lot of, like, almost mental barriers, so that way we don't equate ourselves with them. Yeah.
Kyra:And it's like an emotional well, sort of, kind of. I'm an emotional disconnect because I only said that because, like, the very first one, like, the other original, I mean, you had the what was her name? The professor? The yeah. I forgot.
Kyra:I'm so sorry.
Jack:Pulled all these things up.
Reza:A lot of them have the same name. They do.
Kyra:I was so
Reza:late. That's fine.
Kyra:Yeah. But you could just tell, like, she had an emotional Yeah. I think so. Yeah. She had an emotional connection with, Taylor, one of the astronauts and things like that.
Kyra:But
Jack:The kiss. The kiss. I think.
Kyra:I was like, no. When I seen it, I was like,
Reza:I don't remember watching that. No. Because, like, she looks at the others before it happens. Yeah.
Jack:Beyonce. Right. Her life partner.
Reza:He was so jealous. He was like And then she's like, you're ugly. Give me a smooch. Like, what?
Jack:And then Nova too. I had, like, the she was like a well, like a caveman, basically.
Reza:Yeah. She she was like What?
Kyra:I just wanna know, like, why though. Like,
Reza:I get it because, you know, they're supposed to
Kyra:be, like, the creatures that, I guess, doesn't know anything, and they just Yeah. Just be like it's like a reverse psychology type stuff, you know? Mhmm. But I don't know, like, you was gonna say something before.
Jack:Oh, I was just gonna I mean, yeah. Like, the the humans are definitely, like, the dynamic, I think, in the first one was very, like it it was very well laid out. It was, like, humans are based are just animals. You know? They're it's just completely flipping the rules.
Jack:Yeah. And that's what I was so confused by when, I'm gonna bring it up, guys, the 2001 movie by Tim Burton that is infamously just, like, They they changed that completely. Yeah. Yeah. They're they're animals, but they're also they can talk.
Jack:And they're also sorta, like, treated like dogs. Like, there's that one scene where the little girl is, like, in a cage.
Kyra:Yeah. She was like, the the the ape, it was just, like, oh, I'll see you tomorrow.
Jack:Yeah. And it's like And
Kyra:she had a collar, and it was so crazy. I'm like, what? I just thought
Reza:it was so out of line too with, like, some of the other things that, like, persisted amongst the Planet of the Apes series. Like, in the most recent movie, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, you see Noah, like, looking at that book and see what they were like. Like, he can't imagine that. You know? So I hate them so much.
Reza:Wait.
Jack:What? The reason? The
Reza:reason? I know that 02/11. Oh. Yeah.
Jack:Let me
Kyra:clarify that. Like it. Wait
Reza:a minute. Hold on. I like it.
Kyra:Okay. Wait. It's okay.
Jack:Oh, yeah. So, like, when
Reza:I went through my summer of, like, binging all of the movies, I got really into the lore. Like, I was on the, like, stand that would have Especially
Jack:in those first four like, the original ones, it's crazy.
Reza:It's like you get this, like, the nuclear war falling out of ground, like Yeah.
Jack:People. Yeah.
Reza:Like and then you have the 2001 film.
Jack:And it's like, what?
Kyra:I mean, I feel like
Reza:like, that's an example of a bad, like, book to movie. Yeah. I think it was a bad reclass,
Kyra:I would say. It wasn't good.
Jack:Well, actually actually, guys, it's a reimagining. It's not a reimagining, which is weird. Yeah. It's, you can yeah. They were all very clearly, like, into the original movies.
Jack:And I I think, for me, what was lost in the 02/1 version, the the the first one is very political. It's very like, its politics are very well defined. There's multiple different, like, approaches. You you can analyze that film in a lot of different ways, like, in relation in relation to class, race, animals, blah blah blah. Bedroom.
Jack:And by the time 02/1 and that progresses throughout the movie. Because the the budget gets smaller, and they get more politically radicalized, especially that fourth one. It's he's like the main character. Was it
Kyra:a conquest that I put in eggs?
Jack:Yeah. He's basically it's it's a Marx Marxist revolution. Like, it's it's it's really funny, like, how it gets, like, more politically radicalized. That 02/1, though, they just kinda lost all that, I felt like.
Reza:They did.
Jack:It was very muddled down. Like, the the the the message seemed just to be, like
Reza:Which is interesting because, like, I mean, it's 02/1, so
Jack:it's Yeah.
Reza:On the brink of, like, some very, you know
Jack:It's a total yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Post y 02/.
Reza:You know? So you would think that, like, the political comment political commentary would be more, like, on the pulse of everything. But, no, it, like, complete like,
Jack:it loosened. Lost all of it. And I yeah. I think part of that was because it didn't the role the humans played was very different. It seemed like they didn't know what role that they wanted it to play.
Jack:Or maybe they did, and it was just I don't know. It's yeah.
Kyra:Yeah. Executed, like, really badly.
Jack:Yeah. So I and and I I by no means do I think the 02/11 was, like, a bad movie.
Kyra:I just think it's funny that it's set in 2029, and that's literally, like, four years away. What? Wait. No.
Reza:Because, like, Caesar's the final movie that Caesar's in, that's in 2028.
Kyra:Oh. Oh, yeah.
Jack:Oh, we're talking about the recent ones.
Kyra:Yeah. Yeah.
Jack:Oh, yeah. That is crazy.
Reza:I think right now, they're going through their pandemic, like, in their timeline.
Jack:The simian flu. Yeah. Because there's a what? There's, like, a ten year gap between the first one and the second one? Mhmm.
Jack:Between rise and dawn.
Reza:Dawn. Yeah. Yeah.
Jack:But, yeah. I think the the politics the evolution of politics is very interesting, even when you when you look at the the newer the newer franchise. And I was just watching, this guy on YouTube, who I I I don't watch video essays, guys. It's just like not my thing. But I like this one guy because he adds a lot of comedy to it.
Jack:And he talked about how the the first it's pointless hub, by the way. That's the account. The the first scene movies had this benefit of, like, being recognized as classics, and the newer ones have this benefit of being recognized as, like, really, really good, you know, and, like, new and innovative and kinda, like, bringing it back.
Kyra:But it's not
Jack:That 02/11. No. Yeah. That 02/11, it can't be recognized as a classic and not really part of this. So it kinda just got forgotten.
Jack:You know? That that was what he was saying. And I I kind of agree with that. I think it did kinda Yeah.
Kyra:Because I never hear anyone talk about that woman.
Reza:Yeah. It wasn't until, like, I Googled, like, I think it's really watch order that I was
Jack:like, oh,
Reza:there was one released.
Jack:And it's like, it doesn't really fit into any of the other series. It's just like its own and you could tell they kinda wanted it with that ending.
Reza:I feel so bad. Because, like,
Kyra:they really tried. Like, the casting was immaculate into the the '20, 02/00
Jack:02/00 01/00. Yeah. No. Like Paul Giamatti as that
Kyra:Yes. Like,
Jack:that is probably one of his best roles, honestly, from what I've seen. Yeah. But, yeah, let's talk about that ending.
Reza:You can go first. You had some thoughts.
Jack:So the ending, super weird. Right? If you haven't seen it, I mean, I I assume most people are familiar with the original, 1968 ending. You know, he finds out that he's actually on Earth the whole time. Very, very classic ending.
Jack:You know? This 02/11, the planet he's on is different. It's not Earth. Right? And at the end, he shoots off in a rocket, comes back to Earth, crash lands, in front of the Lincoln Memorial, you know, the big statue of Abraham Lincoln.
Jack:And it's it's it's an ape. Specifically, the ape that was the main what was his name? It was General Fade. Fade. General Fade.
Jack:And he's like in shock, you know. And then all these all these apes, like, that are like cops journalists, they all pull up. And I guess the the implication is that the world is now apes. And I looked a little bit into that because I was curious because we're just talking about the book. Yeah.
Jack:That's how the book ends. Kind of. Okay. It's more true to the book ending than the original movie is. The book ending, from what I've seen, they come back to Earth and there's an ape on Earth.
Jack:And I think the implication there is that, and this is gonna be kinda confusing, Mark Wahlberg travels back in time, back from the other planet onto Earth. Fade Mhmm. After Mark Wahlberg leaves the planet, Fade finds his own ship. Time travels before Mark Wahlberg, like, to a to an earlier time, I guess, this civil war era because Abraham Lincoln or whatever. Yeah.
Jack:And then he conquers the planet.
Kyra:He said, okay. I'm a get here before he gets here.
Jack:So he's like playing a game of, like, who's gonna go back to Earth? Yeah. Exactly. And that's the implication. And I think it was kinda clear they wanted to explore that in a sequel, and it just never happened because Dang.
Jack:We kinda forgot about the movie.
Kyra:That sucks.
Jack:What do you think about that?
Reza:Okay. I'm really when I was watching the two thousand one one, I tried really, really hard to focus, and I was pretty much checked out. And it was, like, every so often, I'd tune back in and be like why would they guys I I really do not. And then when that ending happened my first thing was just, like, I love history, and I'm a really big nerd when it comes to it. Yeah.
Reza:How did that, like, feasibly happen?
Jack:Like, did he It's crazy. It's crazy. It's like, yeah. Like, and then you get into, like, is that how time travel works? Which, you know, it's sci fi.
Jack:You can make it work however you wanna work.
Reza:But it's say it's like a
Kyra:plot point.
Reza:Feasible in the sense that, like, okay. This ape comes on a ship in Civil War America, and it's like, what? Did they all just
Jack:It just they've conjures the planet? Did they bring his friends?
Reza:Or is it like
Jack:did he enlist the apes that were alive then? Like, how yeah. How did that work?
Reza:Think. Like, was he given the Gettysburg address? And he was like, no. We have this going on.
Jack:Yeah. Like,
Reza:there's, you know Is
Jack:this, like, a sign from God? Like Why is everything else in Washington the exact same? Right. Why is the Washington Monument there? Because you see him crash lands, and it's still everything.
Jack:And that's the same in the book too. The Eiffel Tower looks the same. Everything looks the same. It's just when they crash land, they see apes instead of humans.
Reza:Right. So, like, okay. That's the thing with, like, in general. Like, whenever we have those, like, movies or films that are about this, like, other thing that takes over instead of humans, is that, like, everything progresses just the same. It's just different people.
Jack:Yeah. Which I always find hilarious.
Reza:Yeah. Like, I liked it in the newer films that when you see the apes, like, building their society It's different. Yeah.
Jack:Like, they're in trees, you know. Yeah.
Reza:They don't have, like, the clothing that they were wearing
Jack:in the
Reza:1968 film. Like, you're an ape and you're ruining the world, and you're still wearing jeans.
Jack:Yeah. I also like the, like, the sci fi cloaks they had in that '68 version. Those were awesome. But the ending of the 02/1, you know, it I saw what they were doing. They were trying to recreate sorta, like the, you know, they were trying to do the the big twist again, but like in a kinda different way.
Jack:But in the it makes it's like cool. It's like the villain in the '90 don't even get me started. I did not like Thade. I thought he was such a bad villain. The first one, it had such a he was such a complex character, the original villain.
Jack:I forgot his it was, actually, I have it pulled up.
Reza:Is it in Star Wars?
Jack:Doctor Zayas.
Kyra:Yeah. Yeah.
Jack:He was such a complex villain. He wins in the end. You don't see that happen in a lot of movies where, like, the villain just
Kyra:star name.
Jack:Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He plays Thade. Yeah.
Jack:Tim Roth. But, yeah. Like, doctor Zay is such a complex character. You can empathize with him. There's a reason he doesn't want them going into, like, the forbidden zone.
Jack:It's because, you know, humans destroy the world. He doesn't want it to happen again. He makes
Kyra:fate tell it. Fate is just pissed
Jack:that the the human guy is taking the girl the the monkey. Like, it was just crazy. Like, and Yeah. It was just crazy. And, yeah, the sexual tension between Mark Wahlberg and the the the ape, the female ape
Reza:Yeah.
Jack:Is so crazy.
Reza:They did that in the recent one too, with Noah and Nova. Yeah. Which, like, I remember, like, when the the movie immediately came out, they were, like, can I find him attractive? And it's, like,
Jack:I I
Reza:don't know.
Jack:Then I guess you can, because I I did.
Reza:I did before this episode. Like, I I was just, like, seeing, like, what people had said about the most recent movie, and it's literally just, like, thirst edits of the guy. That's what
Jack:I love about the Internet.
Reza:But it's, like, of the guy, like, as a human in interviews, like, just acting as an ape.
Jack:Oh my god. Yes.
Reza:Just making the noises. And I'm, like, oh,
Kyra:just like yeah.
Jack:Was so amazing. Just like like they were doing that's how it would go. That's how it would go. It would literally just be like, they'd ask them a question, and then they just go, like, full ape mode, which was genius. It it sold me.
Jack:I loved that.
Reza:It was cool to see, but it just, like, I don't wanna watch that with, like, Lana Del Rey playing in the background. You know what I mean? Like, ultra violence.
Jack:Speak for yourself. Okay. No. But, yeah. That that last one I I don't know.
Jack:General you said you weren't the or was it?
Kyra:On for the No.
Jack:You were talking about the 02/1. Never mind. Yeah. Did we all I don't know. What do we all think about the new series?
Jack:The direction it's heading?
Reza:Love.
Jack:Love.
Reza:Love, babe.
Kyra:Yeah. But I don't know. I just feel like do you think that is repetitive, though? Like
Jack:Not exactly.
Kyra:Not exactly.
Jack:I think because it you could they're they're doing something different. You know, they're doing they're showing, like, no pun intended, the rise of the planet of the year. You know, they're showing instead of just, like, establishing it and then doing and I like how by the time we're at the new movie, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, we're kinda where we at, where we were at in the 1968
Reza:movie.
Jack:Kinda, you know, like
Reza:We're getting there.
Jack:Yeah. We're getting there. So I'm I'm curious to see where where the franchise is headed.
Reza:I like the fact that in the newest movie, Kingdom, they were exploring certain, like, human ape relationships that, like, weren't really touched on when we saw, like, Caesar's rise to power. Yeah. I thought that was really nice. And also, I love the continuity, like, seeing Caesar's window, like, its shape. Being, like, a religious Years
Jack:of yes. You know? Yeah.
Reza:And I this is also, like, really nerdy of me. But my favorite thing about watching, like, the newest set of movies is watching the progression of language amongst the apes. Because, like, obviously, in the first movie, Caesar is where that he can speak. And then the second one, we see him, like, see him.
Jack:A little bit of sign language. Yeah. A little
Reza:bit of sign language. Much better. And what I loved is that, like, of the surrounding cast, you could hear some grunts, and they almost sounded like English. Like, they were getting there. And then you got to the third movie, it's like, okay.
Reza:Grunt, sign language. And then, like, they did say a word, or they said, like, a it's like She's
Jack:gonna talk a little bit.
Reza:Yeah. And I loved that. And I like the fact that in Kingdom, they also, like, kinda continued with, like, you seeing how the apes are learning languages.
Jack:Now they're fully talking.
Kyra:Right? They full blown. Right. Like And
Jack:then the the we talked
Reza:on the
Jack:we were talking about the twist too. The the twist and I think this just shows how the newer movies are just, like, so much better than that 02/11. The twist at the end of Kingdom was great. The fact that there are still humans. Right.
Jack:They kinda lead us to believe that there aren't, and then, was it May 0. Right? Yeah. Yeah. She, like, starts talking normally, and there's a funny scene where he, like, drops the
Reza:Yeah. He was like
Kyra:then she was like, I have a name. It's May. And then he was like Yeah.
Jack:Yeah. And I love that. I I think it's and that and then they show, like, that bunk was, like, a bunker that she made it to. Yeah. Yeah.
Jack:Like, that that emulates the feeling of that first movie.
Reza:I actually felt betrayed. Like, I felt like, oh my god. Like, how could you? Exactly.
Jack:And it's like and it it does kinda set up this interesting dynamic between, Noah and May, where it's like, they're they were you could tell there's genuine connection between them. Yeah. But then she's also like, there's still a war. Right? There's still like this human ape war that's like very much surviving after three hundred years.
Jack:Yeah.
Reza:Yeah. And I
Jack:love that. I I love I love these movies.
Reza:I love I like and also, like, the fact that, you know, you see, like, the same names being used for like, I love the continuity.
Jack:Yeah. Like the yeah.
Reza:And, like, the callbacks, the original Nova.
Jack:Yeah. Right. Caesar. I think Caesar was the name in, Conquest. Yes.
Jack:The main character named Caesar, which they both kinda have similar roles too, which you I mean, you could I think you can kinda see Rise of the Planet of the Apes drawing off that movie in particular with the whole idea of, like, an ape uprising in modern society. And then, obviously, him being named Caesar kind of plays direct homage to that. Thought that was awesome.
Kyra:So what's what are y'all rankings to the best film in the film rankings? Okay. Wait.
Reza:I need to pull up Okay.
Kyra:Well, I already know what yours gonna be, Reza. But it's okay.
Reza:I love it. Okay. Wait. Let me pull them all up. Then Yeah.
Reza:Literally. Live.
Kyra:Yeah. So you got the first one, Planet of Apes. Mhmm. Beneath the Planet of Apes, Escape from the Planet of Apes. Those these aren't original
Jack:part of
Kyra:the way. But, yeah, Conquest, Battle, and then the reboot, quote unquote, rise, dawn, war, and then the latest, which is Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. Okay.
Jack:Alright. Yeah. Let's hear it.
Reza:Dawn is definitely number one for me. Yes. Dawn is number one. Close it.
Jack:Close it.
Reza:And then I would go for, like, the original Planet of the Apes in 1960 probably War and Then Rise, I think.
Jack:War and Then Rise. Okay.
Reza:Yeah. And then, the 02/1 is definitely, like, way at the bottom.
Jack:I will not stand for this
Reza:flame. I cannot. Like, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes wasn't it was probably, like, six. Like, it's not, like, up there, but it's not the worst.
Kyra:I feel like it's still grown on
Jack:It might need to be yeah. I think it might for a lot of people I've seen. I think it might need more time to, like, sort of
Reza:It's just like I miss Caesar. Me too. Like, I literally just
Kyra:said I was like, I miss Caesar.
Reza:I miss like, I did not believe the ending of War. Like, what do you mean?
Jack:Like Yeah. I It wasn't even
Reza:dramatic. Like, it I was just like, get up. Get up.
Jack:I found you. Like yeah. Definitely I don't I feel like a
Reza:lot of
Jack:people are fans of Dawn a lot more than War. The best of us. But I I like War better. That's just me.
Reza:That's just me. But blue eyes. Like, that's it was it was beautiful, like Yeah. Like watching that relationship unfold and then, you know, the catalyst of it all. Yeah.
Reza:But, again, Caesar's dead.
Jack:Yeah. Trailer. Yeah. I don't I liked, was it Bat Ape or Bed?
Reza:Yeah. Bat Ape. The little the little
Jack:cockroach out. I love him. It's my favorite character.
Reza:King and Maurice.
Jack:Yes. Maurice. I love
Reza:Iris is my dude. I like that Maurice, like, even also became somewhat of, like, a religious figure. Yeah.
Jack:Yeah. Like, you can see the and it was just with is he, like, an orangutan? Is it? Yeah. Yeah.
Jack:Yeah. And, like, is the the orangutans were like this. I don't know my age, guys. Sorry.
Reza:Is that orangutan?
Jack:I don't know my age, guys.
Reza:Okay. What's your favorite? Like, the regular, like, chimps, orangutans, or gorillas?
Jack:We're, like, dividing them in Exactly.
Reza:Stop. I'm like, no. They have a That's what
Jack:they're telling us not to do.
Reza:No. But like not
Jack:every fan.
Reza:Like, the different rules that they build. The chimps are Yeah.
Jack:Yeah. More of
Reza:like the chimps. I honestly I was okay. You know, remember that one gorilla? I'm forgetting his name, but he, like, sacrificed
Jack:Yeah. Yeah. They called them, like, mules. Yeah. Yeah.
Jack:They got that they, like, were serving the human But
Kyra:there was one
Reza:in particular in Rise. He's always been my favorite. Forgetting his name, but just know that I love him.
Jack:Was he the one in the initial, like, when they initially get locked up that
Reza:is, like,
Jack:the opposite? Yeah.
Reza:He, like, pushes he, like,
Jack:goes to the bathroom. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I like that.
Jack:That scene where they all, like, break through the glass ceiling.
Reza:Oh, yeah. That is just
Jack:so because it's metaphorical. Literally, like, they all jump out of a glass ceiling.
Reza:Relationships. Like, Cobalt. We didn't even talk about Cobalt. Cobalt. We didn't even talk about Cobalt.
Jack:Cobalt would be its own episode. Like Yeah. That is such an amazing, like
Reza:I sympathize like, obviously, I began to hate him when he was leading the whole uprising, obviously. And the fact that he killed one of Blue Eyes' friends, I don't remember what his name
Jack:was. Yeah.
Reza:But, his, like, story was heart wrenching from the beginning. I I was so glad that they had a character like that, especially because I've I mean, I feel like when you are talking about, like, revolution or uprising, there's always this, like, do you go for it, like, as peacefully as possible or do you go violent from the beginning? And I like that they showed that. Yeah. Backtrack.
Reza:Did he kill what are the
Kyra:what was it? Ash? Ash.
Jack:Yeah.
Kyra:Yes. Yeah.
Reza:That was the name.
Jack:Yeah. Now, Koba, again, is, like, kinda going with the first movie. It's another one of those characters where it obviously is the antagonist, obviously is like, flawed or whatever. But you can totally, like, get behind and be like like, you know, I see that. Like, I I get that.
Jack:Like, you know, and it's kind of the same as a or a what was it, dude? Doctor Zayas. It's the same thing as Zayas where they're both kind of just, like, were wronged so much much by humans. And then, the the the person they're fighting, the protagonist, is just someone who is able to forge, like, a better relationship with humans. So it was just all about perspective the entire time.
Reza:Speaking to the camera there.
Jack:I've been trying to do that more. Just a great series. Definitely
Kyra:The CGI is
Jack:No. The motion capture. Beautiful. Yeah. Lovely.
Kyra:A one l.
Reza:Mhmm. And that's how you know the actors are, like, especially talented. Mhmm. Because have you seen that, like, one clip of Pirates of the Caribbean where it's, like, where the hottest holes in
Jack:the city?
Kyra:Honestly, never wait.
Reza:Don't jump me.
Kyra:But I've never seen Pirates of the Caribbean. Woah. Woah.
Jack:That's an episode. That's an episode. We're doing that.
Kyra:I mean, it's just never I was just never into it.
Reza:That series was, like, another one of, like, my I was just, like, I need to binge.
Jack:I did that with, Terminator. I binged over the summer. I binged the entirety of the Terminator series, and
Kyra:I would love to Kill Bill for me. But I mean, they only got two.
Jack:Yeah?
Kyra:They need to make another one. But, you know, it's fine.
Jack:Cool. I would love another Kill Bill.
Kyra:Yes. Literally. It's not finished. But anyhoo.
Jack:Anyhoo. Anyhoo. Okay. Yeah. I think that does it.
Jack:Planet of the Apes. Great great film series. Can't wait to see more. Can't wait for more rewatches because I love watching movies.
Kyra:Wait. The 02/1, just to be clear, is not my first one. My first one is Don. But it gotta be, like Okay. Yeah.
Jack:But
Kyra:it gotta be, like, my top four, maybe. So
Reza:yeah. Yeah. Top four isn't sick.
Jack:Top four. Yeah. Yeah. No. Top four is crazy.
Jack:Sorry. There's, like, just too many better ones. Right.
Kyra:Yeah. But it's like
Jack:It's funny. It's funny. It's funny.
Kyra:I see that movie as comedic relief. Like, it's not serious. Yeah. You really don't take that that serious. You know?
Kyra:You could just watch it and be like, that's funny.
Jack:You can
Reza:do that with the
Jack:originals, I feel like, too. Because they're so, like because they're dated, you know, they look goofy. You know?
Reza:Yeah. Like the kissing.
Kyra:Well, yeah.
Jack:The kiss is hilarious. And it's like the masks were so,
Kyra:like, movie. Like,
Jack:no like, you just see
Kyra:them in the background. First of all, it was scenes where they have, like, arms and, like Mhmm. I just was like, what? I was so thrown off.
Reza:You know what's been really I I don't whatever. But you know what's been really great? Rewatching Madagascar and seeing the amount of Planet of the Apes references. Oh. Yes.
Reza:Really? There are so many. They recreate the kiss scene, and they do the whole thing where at the end of the where he's, like, banging at the ceiling.
Jack:Oh, like, yeah. They're like, the no.
Reza:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have
Jack:to rewatch it. That's amazing. I I didn't know. Yeah.
Reza:Well Put that on your Planet of the Apes, like, watch.
Jack:I will add it to my Yeah. To my, yeah, to my little tree, my watch list.
Kyra:Well, this has been one of our, few one of our few. I'm sorry. Cut that out. I'm restarting that. Yeah.
Kyra:This has been one of our, introductions to our film segment, film franchise segment where we just talk we just pick a franchise for the week or whatever, and we just, like, talk about it. So
Jack:Yeah. I think it went well.
Kyra:I think it went well.
Jack:But before we wrap up here, I wanna hear from you. I wanna hear from our audience. I wanna hear from our listeners. If there is a movie, actor, director, era of film that you wanna talk about, let me know. Email me at jack.williams@statenews.com or kyra.@shakyra.mayboneatstatenews.com.
Kyra:Now, I know it's a lot, but just put shakyra.mab0ne@statenews.com, and you'll find me. I'm I'm there.
Jack:And just let us know. What movies do you wanna talk about? If you disagree, if you think the 2001 Planet of the Apes was the biggest thing in cinema, let us know. We wanna hear from you guys. And we'll do, like, a little segment.
Jack:We'll talk about what you guys have to say. Even if you just, like, wanna send in a movie that you like and have us talk about it, we'll do, like, a five minute segment. We're we're gonna talk
Kyra:about it. Actually, that was
Jack:If you disagree, yeah. That was
Kyra:trash. If you think
Jack:that 2001 Planet of the Apes is best thing that's ever graced cinema
Kyra:I never say all that.
Jack:Let me know. And there you
Kyra:have it. This has been an episode of Brilliant It In podcast where we talk about the best and worst film moments, and, yeah, have a good one.
Reza:Yeah.
Kyra:Bye.