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In a world where digital feeds are overwhelmed with constant noise, standing out isn't about shouting the loudest, but about getting people to fall in love with your brand even in places where it doesn't always seem to make sense. When it comes to finding the secret to building unexpected brand obsession and maximizing the influence of your business, there is no one better to turn to than Alan Roll, Head of Brand and Creative at Deel.

In this episode of Straight to Voicemail, Adam Sockel  hears from Alan on how companies can break through the clutter by tapping into amazing storytelling. Alan breaks down the intersection of category, customer, and company, explaining why finding your basic human truth and building an inspirational mythology will always win out over a commoditized conversation.

You'll learn:
  • Tapping into a basic human truth is the essential foundation needed to get audiences genuinely excited and jazzed about your brand   
  • Building an inspirational myth anchors the brand, helping customers envision a different future tightly aligned with their own belief systems   
  • Balancing company authenticity, customer relevance, and category differentiation ensures you avoid a commoditized conversation   
  • As AI scales information, being surgical and precise with your brand story becomes critical to ensure it is interpreted correctly
Jump into the conversation:
(00:00) Why we wanted to hear from Alan Roll 
(01:30) The core secrets to building an unexpected brand 
(02:42) Tapping into basic human truths to activate an audience 
(03:26) How the intersection of company, customer, and category creates authenticity 
(04:40) Why AI makes precision in storytelling more critical than ever

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Adam (00:09):
Alan Roll thinks a lot about brand and a lot about what it means to fall in love with a brand. When you think about brands that people are obsessed with, you might think about things like Nike or Pixar, even things like Taco Bell. Brands that have products and IP that makes sense for us to fall in love with them. There's a natural story there.

There's a natural nostalgia. There's a way for us to connect with something that really hits at our core in our heart. But what about a tool that at its core is a payment service? What about a tool that really is just all about itemizing and organizing information? How do you get people to fall in love with those brands? Alan has thought a lot about that. He headed up branding at Deel and Airtable.

Companies that have a brand that people are borderline obsessed with in spaces that it might not always make sense to think people would be obsessed with a brand in those spaces. Yet he's figured it out. I asked him, What's the secret? How do you get people to fall in love with these brands in unexpected places? His answer was insightful, interesting, and multifaceted.

Alan Roll (01:30): Hey Adam, sorry I missed your call. Wanted to get back to you on your question around building brands, specifically in places where you don't always think about building brands. I think the key secret is still what it has always been, which is amazing storytelling. And I think the core to every brand is in a couple places. One is what is the basic human truth

you're trying to address that you can get people super excited about and jazzed about. And then ultimately, what is the mythology around your brand that not only is maybe not necessarily the truth, but anchors in something that is inspirational and ultimately leads you into the future. So the idea that you're creating something new it captured in that myth. you're creating something that's true is captured in that basic human truth.

And I think, you know, on top of that, you have to really think about who your audiences are. Because in a world where brand doesn't always obviously make sense as the most important thing to focus on, it usually is because you're not thinking about the right audience that will create the most influence for the business that you're trying to take to market. Right. And so in that context, you should take a full inventory of all the different audiences you're trying to reach.

You should understand what is that basic human truth for each of those unique audiences, and then ultimately figure out what is the myth that helps them see a future that's different than the one that they're in, is tightly aligned to their own belief systems and ultimately, helps them galvanize themselves and want to be with you for a long time as a company or as a brand. Those are really the key things. If you think back on my history places like Airtable, really tapping into that basic human truths around idea of building something and organizing information and putting it to work in ways you hadn't seen before and unlocking that novelness what the product can do. was the thing that if you tap really solve it. But ultimately you're not selling always to that person who's doing that. selling to that person who's buying that.

And if you can get enough people to love that experience, then there's an upward force towards those people who have to make that purchase decision. And so therefore, that's one of the audiences that you have to think about, I'm gonna just keep rambling other key thing to think about with brands is something that isn't necessarily new or different than it has always been. You're still talking about intersection of the category, the customer and the company, right? And that is about authenticity. is the company. Like, are you telling a story that's true to who you are that you can constantly deliver on every single day? Right. That is the key thing. That is the idea of the myth. That is the idea of the kernel that is at that basic human tree. relevance is around the customer and that, you know, what are they looking for? do they need more than anything? Not only nice to have, but something that's critical have, when you're selling to a business. and then you think about the category. A lot of that is around differentiation and how do you make sure that you're not the exact same thing and forcing a commoditized conversation with your brand. you need to stand out, you need to be different, you need to be cut in some way contrary into what everyone else is saying.
Those are foundational ideas for brand that have always been there. They'll continue to be there. If anything, it'll become even critically more important to be surgical around what those ideas are, specifically as AI begins to play a bigger role, because the scale of information that will need to be put into those different buckets and the preciseness of it will only increase when the information is so large it'd be seemingly you know hard to put your arms around.

It no longer is gonna be just in the hands of strategists. It's gonna be a strategist and an AI building these things together and ultimately an AI will be consuming that and spitting it back out. And so you gotta make sure you get it right when you're being interpreted in terms of all the things you're saying.