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Left Out Loud is a progressive political podcast breaking down the biggest stories shaping our democracy. From up-to-the-minute political news and midterm election coverage to in-depth interviews with grassroots Democratic candidates, the show spotlights the voices and movements fighting for real change. Smart, informed, and unapologetically loud, Left Out Loud pairs sharp analysis with humor and plain-spoken commentary, cutting through the noise to focus on what actually matters. If you care about elections, organizing, and the future of the Democratic Party—and you like your politics with a little personality—this is the podcast for you.
Seth.
Hey, Ally.
All right, so, you know, we have
a departure from the norm today.
We usually are talking to candidates
coast to coast- Yeah … that are
running ahead of the midterms, but today
we have, I would call him a creator.
He's a content creator.
He has his own podcast,
which we'll talk about.
He, uh, has a background in real estate.
He still works in real estate.
He has a background in,
uh, as a prison guard.
He's worked in the military.
He served in the military.
Huge, vast, interesting, amazing recall.
He has the best ability to just
pull out things from thin air.
I always love that about people.
Let's bring him in, the
one and only Zach Faust.
Welcome to Left Out Loud, Zach.
Hi.
Thank you
for having me.
Hey, man.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
I appreciate y'all having me.
Thanks for coming.
Cheers.
I caught part of your Live today
on, um, on TikTok, and I think you
were doing, like, multi-streaming or
multi-platform streaming, were you?
Yeah, yeah.
Zach- It bases out of Twitch- Okay
and then moves over to, like,
YouTube, TikTok, and all that.
And was today the first day
you did TikTok as part of that,
or- It's the f- it's the mo- uh,
yeah, yeah, because we- we've
been slowly building it out.
We built the podcast and started it,
uh, last, uh, la- la- la- la- la,
April- Okay … 2025, and just been
slowly optimizing and improving.
I'm- I'm not- Yeah … used
to the long form.
Right.
So, but with everything that's going
on in the world, I see no better place
where we can actually dive into the
nuance and details and data and graphs
and get a- Yes … full grasp of a topic
rather than just, "Here's 60 seconds.
Here's how you should think about this."
Right.
And
I find it increasingly difficult to do so.
Um-
Yeah.
And I love that about you.
We- Like, when I first came across
your content, well, number one,
you had Delaware in your name,
and we both are in Delaware.
Shout out to 302.
So I was like… I was
like, "Look," 302 forever.
I was like, "Look at this." Somebody
so close to me, um, with this really
big following, and started watching
your videos, and you deep dived
on a lot of topics that I found-
informative, interesting, educational.
And so how long have you been doing this?
What got you into it?
'Cause obviously real estate
is your bread and butter.
That's what you do day
to day to earn a living.
So how did you kind of get
into the creator space?
Uh, my homies couldn't
afford houses anymore.
You know, I'm a military brat-
… military vet. I grew up around
military families, parents, friends.
Grew up around myself in the military
land, and I didn't graduate from college.
I got thrown out out of college.
Hardly got a high school degree.
Joined the military 'cause I was dumb.
Mm-hmm.
And, you know, nitwits- … like me
in Delaware could, could buy a house.
Yes.
We could buy a house.
You know, 620 credit score, three
months to six months savings on reserve,
have a decent, uh, job, get, you know,
debt to income, don't have the dumb
Mustang at the 20% interest rate.
But- Right … the basic things-
Yeah … could get you into a house.
I remember there was a guy named
Ryan, who I've changed the name of
just for his own information, but he
worked at Wawa when I got him a house.
You know Wawa.
Uh, yes.
Yeah.
Of course I know Wawa.
Third… Yeah, he made sandwiches.
Right.
Sandwiches and, and he
warmed up mashed potatoes.
Yes.
That's what he did.
Yeah.
He made sandwiches and warmed
up mashed potatoes, and I got
him a house out in Houston.
About 950 a month, taxes and insurance
all in, 1,200 square feet, acre of land.
I saw him, uh, October of last year.
Same Wawa, now he's a general manager.
Or,
or store- Wow … uh,
shift manager, shift manager.
Wow.
He's making about double
what he made then.
Yeah.
If he wanted to qualify for his
house today, he wouldn't come
close to being able to buy it.
Isn't that wild?
It is wild.
And, and watching the normal everyday
American have the American dream
shifted out from under them, uh,
I didn't realize I was gonna have
a VIP front row seat for that.
Mm-hmm.
I felt the need to learn more of how that
happened, has this happened in the past,
what could fix it, and I slowly realized
that you have to dive into, uh, politics
in a way to, to get a real understanding
of why things are the way they are.
Absolutely.
And look, I mean, you not only
got him a house, you basically,
you gave him security for life.
'Cause as you said, he would never be
able to get into that house today even
making double what he's making, but he's
got all of this equity and this asset
that has appreciated leaps and bounds.
That's part of the problem.
I'm sure we'll get into it.
Um, but yeah, I think that's really
cool that you sort of looked at
the landscape and said, "There,
there's a reason this is happening.
Things have shifted in your world," right?
You can see that day to day.
Um, and to get in and dive in
and talk about it is awesome.
I love that.
Yeah, it's probably a
little bit of my 'tism too.
I just like learning things.
Yeah.
And
I can, I can give a good three
and a half hours to researching.
I can start with one question, and that
gives me six more, and so on and so forth.
You're so good at
it.
Thank you.
Really.
I appreciate it.
Yeah.
I appreciate
it.
You really are.
My mom didn't think so for a while,
but she's coming around though.
Yeah,
and m- and me, like, I was literally
looking to try to get into the housing
market, uh, right before the pandemic.
I had some money saved up.
The credit score was on the up and up.
And, uh, and then everything,
the bottom fell out.
Mm-hmm.
And unfortunately, I didn't
know a guy like Zach.
Yeah.
'Cause I, you know, 'cause I was making
a pretty good living, uh, working in TV.
And, and just, you know, all of a
sudden there's no sports, right?
Like, we went into the
pandemic, there's no sports.
ESPN's putting, uh, cornhole on TV.
We- we, I mean, we were so
desperate for content, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, uh, and then before I knew it,
the housing market doubled, tripled,
and all of a sudden I'm on the
outside looking in with no chance.
Yeah.
You know, I'm looking around like,
"I guess I gotta get married 'cause
I gotta have a second income- Yeah
to try to get in a house in Alabama.
In Alabama.
So yeah, it's, uh, it's, it's
just crazy how just in five, six
years, seem- seems like we're
in a completely different place.
Yeah.
So how are things now?
Obviously, that's been the
experience kind of since COVID.
Do you see things improving?
Do you see things leveling off?
Do you… What are your predictions
for the future in terms of housing?
'Cause I mean, as far as I've seen,
and we're both in Delaware, I still
see… I don't see inventory sticking
around particularly long unless
they're, like, six and up price-wise.
Um, even that is really quick
comparatively to what it used to be.
Um, and I'm not seeing a ton of inventory.
It seems to me like it's still
a pretty hot market, but not
enough of it to go around and not
affordable enough for everyone.
Well, to get to the two questions, what
do I see now and what are the predictions?
So what I see now in Delaware versus
national, so Delaware, as long as,
pretty much the whole Mid-Atlantic,
New Jersey, Maryland, New York, all
the way up to the northeast, Maine,
Vermont, New Hampshire, hot market.
Yeah.
Homes are moving.
Uh, price points are still accumulating.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, Sussex County, Southern Delaware
specifically, seeing much more
price accumulation than Kent.
Yeah.
New Castle seeing a lot of price
accumulation and homes moving quickly
'cause people are moving right across
the line from Philly and Jersey.
Mm-hmm.
Um,
and the rest of the nation, if you
look at the Midwest, seeing, uh, homes
steadying around where they're at.
They're, they're still remarkably
affordable in comparison to the rest
of the regions around the nation.
Right.
Where we see some price pressure
is happening in the South, Texas,
Louisiana, Florida, South Carolina, uh,
Mississippi, seeing price competition
happening a bit, 'cause, like, for
example, I mean competition, like
Florida, one out of seven homes right
now in America are listed in Florida.
Lot of new construction.
Wow.
Insane, right?
That's an insane statistic.
So many, so many homes down there.
The Southwest Florida market is crashing.
It is crumbling, m- mainly
taxes, insurance, hurricanes,
and- Yep … boomers that can't
afford their home anymore.
Yeah.
Texas, you have Austin, Texas
that's seeing a similar, uh, price
compression due to a lot of the imported
people they got from California.
Mm-hmm.
California, Oregon, Washington, a
little bit of price compression.
But overall, outside of these sub-markets,
uh, the traditional housing market in
America is remaining pretty constant.
Mm-hmm.
Rates are definitely keeping people
from buying, buying power down, but
there are a slew of buyers who are
ready to go if the prices were right.
Right.
And on the selling side, yeah, we are
seeing some sellers that are de-listing
and taking their homes off market, but
they're not struggling to the point
where they're lowering their price
points again and again and again and
again- Yes … like this long wait.
Yeah.
Uh, instead, it's just kind of casual
selling, and if they don't get the price
that they want, they just take it off.
Uh, this is what we're seeing a lot
in this K-shaped economy, is ever
since 2021, 2022, a lot of people
bought, a lot of people refi-ed.
There's a lot of people, 1,200,
$1,400 payments that are just,
by choice or, or by the fact that
they're just chilling, ain't selling.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the future.
Right now, we got what's going o-
what's going on in Iran keeping
prices, um, I'm sorry, keeping rates
high, keeping buying power low.
It's been a very slow summer.
It's been a very slow last four summers.
I don't see a lot of price compression
happening nationally, a- at least to the
extent people want, um, over the next
couple years, barring some major economic
event, the bond market cracking, multiple
banks failing, AI bubble popping, even
though that would probably look a lot
more like a dotcom where we didn't see
a lot of home price influence in that.
Right.
Um, you would need to see Great
Depression level, G- GFC level, uh,
crash in order to crash housing.
Those are the only two times we've had it.
But what do you think can I- So
prediction-wise, I'd
say it's not gonna crash
…
it's not gonna crash, but what
is keeping the pricing up, right?
Like, what is propping up the
price of housing in America right
now, considering sort of we are
in this K-shaped economy and-
Yeah
and the economy is… We're struggling.
Everyday Americans are struggling.
Yeah.
I'd say, uh, two things.
So in any economic discussion, easiest
to go baseline, supply and demand.
Mm-hmm.
Supply-wise, we have 1.1-ish million
homes on the market right now.
Of those homes, about 500,000 are
new construction, meaning there's
about 600,000 normal, everyday
Americans trying to sell their home
right now on the housing market.
For perspective, 2008 to 2010, that
number was closer to 3 to 4 million.
That's a- So we don't have nearly enough
homes on the market, enough options on the
market, enough homes sitting and getting
stale and having- Mm-hmm … their price
points drop consistently to force this
price compression people that w- we want
And as you said, people that are locked
into good rates, why would they sell?
Why would
they sell?
Why, why…
They're gonna
just hold onto that
house.
I have four clients right now I've
talked to in the last month that wanna
get a divorce that can't, because they
can't afford to move out of the house.
Oh, my God.
Neither one of their incomes-
Wow … could support rent or a
mortgage.
Those must be really fun households.
Oh, my-
Incredible appointments.
You're
stuck.
And most of these people are g- most
of these people are- You're stuck with
this person that you wanna divorce.
Yeah, and that's what I have to tell
them, 'cause to be honest with them,
like, look, you got a rental property,
it's gonna be 1,800 minimum for y'all.
Yep.
You got kids, you got dogs, and if
you wanna get a mortgage, you guys
couldn't afford a mortgage right now
together, so you can't do it separately.
And all they- all to split, you know,
you have the 110 in equity that they may
have, 100K in equity, but you split it
down the middle, pay the debts, you're
left with, like, 30K a piece, 35K a piece.
It's still not enough.
Not enough.
Not even a nest egg for
starting over like that.
Now, the demand, uh, thing
i- is, is interesting.
So what we are seeing is a lot of the
markets, like I'll bring Alabama up.
Mm-hmm.
A lot of these markets that are typically
more affordable are seeing inventory
get eaten up by transplants, people
that are moving from more- or less
affordable areas to more affordable areas.
Mm-hmm.
That's very common right now.
The other big issue is about 30 to
31% of homes that hit the market
are being purchased by investors.
So one out of every three is being
purchased by somebody who has no plans to
live in it, but accept profit off of it.
It used to be one out of 10.
That's- Now it's one out of three.
So that's another big reason.
Demand is there from buyers that
are investing, and the other
is people are still buying.
It's just later in life.
The median first-time
buyer, uh, age now is 40.
Uh, so people still are buying.
They have a low share of that purchase.
I think it's only 21% of the national
share, so investors are purchasing
way more homes than first-time buyers.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, you mix in the people who
are relocating to more affordable
areas, and there's enough demand
right now with the low supply.
If we had a high supply with
current demand, you'd probably
see some price compression, but
right now we're not seeing it.
So, uh, and before you go, Seth,
quickly- Sure … what's one policy,
I mean, just pick one, that you would
love to see put in place regardless
of what side of the aisle they're on,
that could potentially redesign the
housing landscape as it sits today?
You add on to the, uh, recent
legislation, the Road to
Affordability Act that was passed.
It has a leg- piece of the legislation
that states, uh, Main Street over
Wall Street- Mm-hmm … barring in-
institutional investors from buying any
more properties if they own more than 350.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
The number needs to be 50- Yeah
not 350.
Yeah.
And if they own more than 50, they
need to divest those properties.
Uh, we need to bring them back to market.
Mm-hmm.
Because investors, they-
they're the perfect target.
They don't buy expensive homes.
They buy affordable properties.
They buy small properties.
They buy rentable properties,
multi-fam properties.
So if we force divestment over a five
p- year period, if you owned X amount
of properties over this 50 and you
were forced to sell them over a period
of time, you would flood the market.
If we also substantially aided these
first-time buyers that are being, uh,
just bas- marginalized by this economy-
Mm-hmm
created a national first-time home
buyer program, we could fund it with the
money that investors are already paying.
We could put a fee on a purchase
of an investment property.
Not a fee for months, because I
know- Mm-hmm … month over month
they gotta have their cash flow.
But we could easily set up a 1% to 2%
fee as an investor fee, just like a
VA buyer has to pay a VA funding fee.
Mm-hmm.
If a veteran has to pay a fee
to use a mortgage, why can't an
investor pay a fee to buy a home?
Right.
So if we created a fu- a fund that
could go back toward first-time buyers,
if we created a mortgage rate that was
standard at say 3% or 2% below what
everyone else is getting, and it was
government subsidized, I think that'd
be a good use of our money rather
than handing it to Israel in a war.
Mm-hmm.
Um,
and-
Agreed
…
uh, again, we need supply.
So unless you force home buyers to build
small homes that aren't profitable,
which they won't, or you change zoning
at local levels all across the nation,
which you can't, you have to start
from the baseline supply and demand.
We need more homes.
How do we get them?
We need to get them out
of the hands of investors.
I know you're not a political guy,
but these are pretty good ideas, Zach.
Maybe, maybe you think about running
for something somewhere someday.
I don't know.
If there's still something to run
for in 12 years, I'll think about it.
Okay.
Fair.
Fair.
That's fair.
That's fair enough.
So we're at, we're actually at a six-year
high in terms of foreclosures, so we
literally have not seen, uh, foreclosures
at this level since the pandemic.
And, you know, what Trump loves
to talk about, Zach, is the rates.
The rates, the rates.
The Fed's gotta bring down the rates.
You know, uh, y- him and Jerome
Powell were at each other's throats
constantly over, you know, trying to
balance this out between inflation
and bringing down the rates.
And we started to bring down the
rates, but then the, uh, the, um,
pardon me, the, uh, tariff war began.
And all of a sudden, all that
came to a screeching halt once
inflation started going back up.
So what I wanna ask you is, you know,
with the, with the new Fed chair, Kevin
Warsh, you know, Trump finally gets
his guy in there b- and, you know,
he wants to drive down the rates,
but it's not that simple, right?
Because even when they were
trying to bring down the rates,
that wasn't necessarily making it
easier to buy, to, to buy a house.
Yes.
So t- talk to us a little bit about that.
What, what is the difference really
between the Fed bringing down rates
and what will actually bring down
rates for housing and make that more
affordable for first time buyers?
Good question.
And to your first question, you mentioned
something that's very important, so let
me actually share the proper window.
One moment.
Okay, this is another
level right here, Ali
One moment, one moment, one moment.
Oh, we love
this.
My
man's got a
background.
I love it.
We're almost there.
We're almost there.
No props.
Now can you see it?
Beautiful.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So let me move myself real quick.
So, um, to foreclosure filings.
The one thing about that, um, report
that didn't get really, uh, in the
nitty-gritty, like the details weren't,
uh, specified, is it's foreclosure
filings that we're at a record
for, not completed foreclosures.
Okay.
Um, and that record is for
the last three or so years.
So if we look at this graph over
here, you see these yellow bars.
Mm-hmm.
So for 2026, through the first half
of the year, uh, foreclosure filings,
which simply means the bank has let
them know, the homeowner, "You haven't
paid us for 60 to 90 days," depending
on the state, could be 180 days.
"We're coming for your house." Mm-hmm.
It is not gonna be immediate.
They still have time to pay back the bank.
They still have time to
reorganize their mortgage.
So it is not an immediate foreclosure.
Now, on this graph, I, I think
it's very interesting to see
that in 2018 we had way more.
2017 we had way more.
2016 we had way more, and
these are initial filings at
a time that was remarkably
affordable for housing, actually.
Mm. Mm-hmm.
We still had triple
what we have right now.
Mm. And if we look at 2008, 2009,
where we have 1.3, 1.5, 1.6 million,
I think it's more of a headline.
Uh, I think it's more of a headline.
Now, to the, to the rates side.
So the fed rate is controlled by the
Federal Reserve, and there's actually five
rates that the Federal Reserve controls.
Now, within those five rates, they're
controlling the rate at which banks
can lend money to one another.
So when the Fed is lowering the
fed rate, all they're doing is
creating a larger opportunity for the
expansion of credit, more lending,
because they've made it cheaper for
banks to lend money to one another.
Mm-hmm.
When the mortgage rate's going
up, like the 30-year rate, I think
today is at 30-year mortgage, I
think we're sitting at, like, 6.5.
Yeah, we're sitting at 6.58 right now.
Um, let me bring this back
to the last five years.
So if you look at this
five-year graph real quick,
this is 30-year mortgage rates.
The 30-year mortgage rate is based
off the 10-year treasury yield.
And if we look at the 10-year treasury
yield, look at this graph And look
at the 30-year mortgage graph.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm.
They, they mirror each other.
Yep.
They always have, because banks
borrow money based off of the
rate that 10 and 30-year money
is being… going, is going for.
So when I hear people talk about,
or Trump talk about, as he did
when he campaigned, "I'm gonna get
rates lowered," well, the immediate
fix for that is fixing inflation.
Because when investors are looking at
investing in the bonds, they have one
question they're asking themselves:
"If I invest in this bond at, say, 3%
for the next 10 years I have to hold
this thing- Mm-hmm … is inflation
gonna be above 3%? Because if it
is, my investment is null." Mm-hmm.
So when we have 3.5 and 4% inflation
looming, we're gonna have 4.5% rates.
Why?
Because they need to beat inflation.
So as we see this war rage on or as you
mentioned, the tariff war that was going
on, and inflation becomes a risk because
of the oil supply issue, well, you're
gonna see higher rates in the bonds 'cause
investors are demanding more money 'cause
they do not trust our economy, meaning
us plebs have to pay a higher rate on
everything from a car to a home to a
burrito, and the fed rate might get cut.
I don't think it happens much, if at
all, this year, but if it does, it's
just signaling, "Hey, we're giving
the banks more leverage, but we're not
really helping the personal finance
situation of the everyday American."
Yeah, 'cause it sounds like, it all
sounds very good, but it's like-
Absolutely … is it, is it- But
there's nothing- It, is it gonna help?
There's nothing the president can do-
And, really … to, to, to lower rates.
There's no, there's no bill he
could pass or executive order
he could say, "Oh, rates are 3%
now." That's not how it works.
Right.
Uh, it's the bond market, and the bond
market is the most un-partisan way we can
look at the health of our economy, and
when it's screaming upward, it's signaling
that investors are not trusting our word,
and they think inflation's in the future.
If you have a loyalist appointee
as the chair of the Fed, right,
can they override any of that?
Or, like, there's no way that for
them to put their finger directly
on the lowering of rates, right?
Correct.
Correct.
Okay.
There's nothing they can do
besides control inflation.
Now theoretically, what could we do?
We could look back at what
Paul Volcker did in the
stagflation era of the late '70s.
Late '70s, uh, we have a lot
that's going on through the '70s.
So in 1971, we had the Powell
Memo and the Nixon Shock.
Mm-hmm.
Encouraging corporations to go
invest heavy in politics, and
removing our gold standard.
Yeah.
In the next couple years we
have, uh, a war break out in
Israel against Egypt and Syria.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, the Yom Kippur War.
And it led to an oil embargo where the,
uh, petroleum-creating country said,
"Hey, you're backing Israel, and they're
hitting us, so we don't like you." And
they said, "No more oil." So we sent
a man by the name of Kissinger to go
negotiate with them, and it came out
with, "Hey, they're gonna give us oil,
and we're gonna protect their oil."
Yeah.
"And in doing so, in protecting their
oil, we're gonna have this petrol
dollar system created," and that
was basically the new gold standard.
Yep.
Obviously this created a lot of
turmoil in the economy, and that oil
embargo caused a lot of inflation.
So we have a, an Israeli war where
we're going to back them for fighting
somebody else, causing an oil crisis.
Meanwhile, inflation starts spiking.
Sound s- familiar?
Yeah.
And they were heading toward a
world where wages were stagnant
and the economy was stagnant, all
while everything else was inflating.
Sound familiar?
Paul Volcker steps in as the Fed Reserve
chairman and says, "I have a fix for
this: 18% rates." And that's what he did.
Mm-hmm.
And the Fed Reserve chair walked in and
skyrocketed the Fed rate, halting credit,
forcing inflation to stop, and it worked.
Yeah.
It worked for a time at the least.
Now, could you do that
theoretically today?
Yes.
Would you crack everything?
Yes.
That would be- Be- That, that's the
historical way that we could approach it.
Uh, but that's- Right … the
only way they could fix rates,
because it's based off inflation.
Their Fed rate- Mm-hmm … though it's,
it's, it's propped up as, "Oh, this
affects rates," it really doesn't.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And so for Trump, I mean, i- it's a way
for him to insulate himself against the
own mess that he has created, because
he can point to the Fed and say, "All
they have to do is lower rates, people.
All they have to do-" Mm-hmm … "is
drop those rates-" Yep … "and
your lives get better.
I can't do anything about that."
And he'll keep firing them and
reappointing them, knowing- Jerome
Powell saved us from more inflation.
Agreed.
Love him or hate him- Yes … he saved
us- Yeah … from more inflation.
Agreed.
Agreed, and he paid the price for it,
the ultimate price for it, because, you
know, Trump had to have someone to blame,
knowing it wasn't Jerome Pol- uh, Powell.
I'm sure he knows on some level.
He's gotta have some advisor somewhere
telling him, "Look, this is the way
the economy works. He can't do anything
about this." But he needed a scapegoat,
and so off he went, and now he's
going to have another one potentially.
Um, so-
An Epstein scapegoat too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So all right, let's pivot for a minute,
because I know you like to get into
this topic as well a little bit.
Um- Are we ever gonna see the files?
No.
The rest of them?
No.
I don't think so.
Okay.
I, I, and only, only based off the logic
of why we don't have them, you know?
Yeah.
Because the logic we're being told as to
why we don't have the other three million
files out of the total six million or so
is because they are duplicates, and- Right
have a lot of victim information,
and all this blah, blah, blah.
Yeah.
Well, we released a bunch of victim
information the first time, so I
don't think you care about that.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and then the duplication side,
there were tons of duplicates
in the first Epstein library.
I mean, some emails were
duplicated 10, 12 times.
Yep.
Um, so I don't buy that reason either.
Uh, I believe the full reason is
the exact reason they brought in a
new staunch man, uh, to replace Pam
Bondi, to be a fresh voice to say no.
I believe it's the same reason
that Howard Lutnick and Leon
Black had closed-door interviews.
I believe that they investigate
themselves and find no wrongdoing.
Uh, because there's a crim- there's
a criminal account that could be
networked within those files, if properly
un-redacted, that I think would completely
dismantle the American oligarchy.
And so I don't think there's any
reason for it to be released.
Uh, it makes complete self-preservation
sense for them not to, and it makes
every bit of sense for every American
to be absolutely livid as to why they're
not getting what they were promised.
Who do you think is implicated?
I mean, when you talk about the
American oligarchy, are we talking about
government officials- Yeah, I mean,
you could look at- … celebrities-
… who's in the Cabinet right
now
…
billionaires, tech
billionaires.
Let's look, let's follow the paths
Jared Kushner and Howard Lutnick.
I mean, you have- Yeah
two people right there in the center of
it that are completely implicated by it.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, you could get into the depths of
who Lynn Forester was, and why she
was, uh, in deep with Bill Clinton
and Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz
and Bibi Netanyahu and Ron L- you, you
have all these connections back to not
only just Israel, but, but billionaires
that were conducting acts in ranches in
New Mexico to create designer babies.
Uh, dumping off bodies
after rough fetish sex.
Uh, we ha- we have children being utilized
a- as, as implicating devices for ensuring
they can keep certain elitists quiet.
Uh, I mean from the science
donations to, to the foreign inf-
infrastructure that was going on,
'cause he had multiple passports.
Yeah.
I mean his, his father-in-law
basically, Robert Maxwell, was a
triple spy who died at the hands of
the Mossad naked off his boat in 1991,
then handed it off to his daughter.
Yep.
I mean, Howard Lutnick lived next
to the very man doing it, claimed
no wrongdoing, and then we find out
in the files he was at his island.
Yeah.
So, so we had the Secretary of Commerce
who needs to resign and be investigated.
I mean- We had the man helping negotiate
the entire Iran war, Jared Kushner,
who had Bibi Netanyahu sleep on his
childhood bed when they came to visit.
I mean, it, it's… We could
go on for hours about that.
Yeah.
There are CEOs, crypto exchanges,
tech bros, uh, Peter Thiel, Alex Karp,
uh, go all the way down the line.
Uh, like Ron Lauder, he, he's another one.
He's the reason we went after Greenland,
and he was a big buddy of Jeffrey Epstein.
I mean, a lot of the politically adjacent
moves that we've been making, not to
mention the war in Israel, uh, or I'm
sorry, the war in Iran, Freudian slip, uh-
On behalf of, yes
on behalf of, on behest of, i- I
mean it all ties back to this lack of
logic that I think a lot of Americans
are seeing, and that logic can be
filled when you think blackmail.
Uh, and that's very tinfoily, but at
the same time I, I refuse to look at the
leaders in the room and think they're
acting as fully, uh, logistically as
maybe they let off, uh, when in reality
I think there is some control mechanisms
keeping them from doing certain things
or encouraging to do other things.
Yeah, 'cause when… I mean, this
war is almost universally disliked.
It's stupid.
Repub- the Republicans don't like it,
and the Democrats really don't like it.
Yeah, it's stupid.
Right?
And so, you know, you gotta
wonder what's keeping us there.
It's not popular.
It's depleting- And there's
an argument, there's another-
our military stockpiles, which
I didn't think was possible,
spending a trillion dollars a year.
I didn't think we could
ever run out of shit.
I mean, we were giving our old shit
to Ukraine, so I thought, "Oh, we
still got a bunch of shit." Turns out
we're, we're, we're dep- we're really
getting depleted, and we're just
four, five months into this thing,
right?
And a lot of that budget goes toward
supplying the 200 plus foreign
operating bases we have nationwide,
or I'm sorry, internationally.
Yeah.
The, the materials they need,
the payroll they have, the
infrastructure they need, the upkeep.
A lot of that money isn't e- as we
find out, isn't even for munitions.
Um, here's another argument.
Here's a devil's advocate.
Um, there's also the argument that
Trump may have been fully In the mindset
of this was gonna be a quick war.
We're gonna cut off the head of
the snake, they're gonna revolt,
we're gonna be out of there.
Like Venezuela.
Like Venezuela.
Yeah.
But we're dealing with a 80 to
90 million populous country.
Uh, we're dealing with an area that
just re- like, geographically speaking,
between mountains and deserts,
very tough to access, traverse.
Mm-hmm,
mm-hmm.
Um, and a country that obviously had
the economic leverage of being able to
quickly just shut down fif- a fifth of
the world's oil supply, a, a- almost
a half of the world's fertilizer,
almost a half of the world's helium.
We now see the Bab al-Ma- Bab
al-Mandab Strait, uh, out of, um,
on the other side of Saudi Arabia
being threatened by the Houthis now-
Yeah
…
out of Yemen.
What happens when that gets shut down?
The thing about it is he may have
very well thought it was a legitimate
opportunity to get in, do this quickly,
and it was gonna be a great check on his,
uh, on his resume, and now he's stuck.
Because you can't leave.
If you leave, they're gonna
have hold over the strait.
There's nothing that's gonna stop
them from creating toll systems, and
ultimately it's not free waters anymore.
And if you put boots on the
ground, hundreds if not thousands
of soldiers are going to die.
Yeah.
If you throw a gigantic missile
at them, there's gonna be
major missile retaliation.
So really you're at a standstill that
revolves around negotiations and these
petty bombs they're throwing back
and forth, and I, I don't see a way
out of it, to be honest with you, uh,
unless we fully, uh, give Iran all the
economic coins that they want at this
trading table- Mm … this negotiation.
And, and this is the big linchpin
Israel has to stop attacking Lebanon.
Right.
And it's not happening.
Mm-mm.
It's not happening.
You can't control them.
And they said very clear from the
get-go, they have to stop doing this.
These are one of our allies,
they have to stop doing this.
The argument will be, well, the, the,
the, the, the people in Lebanon, Hamas and
Lebanon needs to, needs to settle down.
Well, the reason that they're, the,
they have any quarrel with Israel
to begin with is because the IDF
is stationed in Southern Lebanon.
Mm-hmm.
They're not going outside
of their own boundaries.
These are people that have
infiltrated their own country.
Right.
So they're, they're retaliating
against the people that are already
within their country, and they re-
and then Israel retaliates for one
life with 100, as we saw with Gaza.
Yes.
Yes.
So we can't control Israel, we can't
get out from this Strait situation with
a Strait the same as it was prior, and
we're seeing it in the modern everyday
just normal American's life being affected
by gallons of gas, the fluctuating
stock market for my IRA holders, and
obviously the price of food a- and other
items are going up due to inflation.
Yeah.
So we're not seeing any benefit
from this war, but at the same
time, I don't know how he gets out.
I don't think, I, I don't think
he does, um, uh, without, like you
said, it's, it's almost like we
have to surrender in this war, call
it what you want, that we started.
Um, but going back a little bit, y-
you said maybe he did think that- Yeah
this was a good idea, maybe he did think
that it would be kind of like a Venezuela
situation, um- How could anybody, how
could any m- military advisory, advisors
or, um, people in his cabinet or in
the Pentagon, how could anyone have
thought that that would be the outcome?
I mean, it's, it's- Have you
ever heard Pete Hegseth?
Yes.
Oh, I know Pete is… But I mean, is there
no- But yeah, Mark, Mark Levin, rest in
peace or resting wherever he's at, uh,
Lindsey Graham, um, uh, y- you got, you
got war hawks everywhere, not to including
the entire Likud party of Israel.
Yeah.
Uh, Ben-Gvir and all them.
I, I mean- So
there's no one… I mean, this
is what, this is the bigger thing
that really bothers me, upsets
me, keeps me up at night, right?
We're in this now.
And like you said, I don't
know that we can get out.
I, I don't… I think
it will only escalate.
I think Israel will continue to sort of
capitalize on the position that we're in-
Mm-hmm … by expanding their attacks.
Right.
Um, and I, I don't, I don't feel like
there's any adults in the room in the US.
Just evil devil worshiping ones, yeah.
I mean, and, uh, I mean, they don't
have to sacrifice children to Baal to
be considered- Yes … devilish for
destroying children's hospitals and, and
mangling lives, destroying civilizations,
uh- Yeah … for a dollar or for power.
I mean- Yeah … you can go…
A- and I mean, yes, the covering
up of the Epstein files.
I mean, you could look it
up a billion different ways.
Mm-hmm.
They're acting in evil ways.
Mm-hmm.
We're conducting actions militarily
that are not for protection or defense.
We are trying to bludgeon regions.
And, and Trump's even threatened
multiple times to have an
orange glow coming from Iran.
Yes.
You can call it a threat- Yeah
uh, but it's a, it's a
war crime of a threat.
Multiple war crimes have been committed.
There's an ICC warrant
for Benjamin Netanyahu.
Yeah.
Um, it's-
And now Trump, Trump is
trying to dismantle the ICC.
Correct, and that's
probably a- Weird, right?
… big coincidence, right?
Yeah.
Why?
Why would that be happening right now?
I can't imagine.
Usually the ones who are
trying to dismantle the law
enforcement that oversees war
crimes- is committing war crimes.
Right.
That is true.
So- That is true
…
so Zach, with the midterms coming down,
the, you know, we're, we're 99 days
out as of, as of this recording, right?
Uh- Wow … probably gonna be around- Yeah
yeah.
I mean, yeah, we're already down to
double digits- Final month … right?
Yeah.
It's crazy.
And so, you know, you're an independent,
more independent-minded guy.
Um, assuming that, you know, the
typical midterm thing happens, uh,
Democrats take back the House, Senate,
we're still not sure, but it looks
like they may flip the Senate between
Tallarico, uh, the new guy in Maine, uh,
possibly, you know, states like all of
a sudden Kentucky, Iowa may be in play.
Who knows, right?
But f- as an independently minded
guy, do you see the things that we've
talked about get kind of resolved as
a result of this change of leadership?
Or are we still kind of stuck in
this middling quandary that we've
really been in for the last decade,
where we just kind of react, react,
react, and nothing really gets done?
I, I would look back at
the last century, man.
Um, we, you know, ever since we created
a Federal Reserve System out of elite
Staten Island that decided to create
the Federal Reserve in 1910, uh, and
the Rockefellers and the, and the
Morgans got to orchestrate that after
they just got done privately bailing
out our country, I just don't, I, I,
I, I don't see a lot of, um, I just
don't see a lot of history that shows
when a party shifts that things change.
I mean, yeah, I can look at, you
know, the Bretton Woods Agreement and
see when we globalized the dollar.
I can look at the Nixon Shock,
I can look at Reaganomics, I
can look at, you know, NAFTA,
Glass-Steagall, SEC margin rule shifts.
There's, there's issues on the red
and there's issues on the blue.
The thing I think that happens
with the red is the red, uh,
focuses on a lot of private profit.
They focus on a lot of war hockey
defense contract lining items.
As we've al- already seen, a lot of tech
bro aligned legislation- Yeah … a lot of
billionaire aligned legislation right now.
And then the blue, when they do
happen to be in charge, I don't see
a lot of economic shifts, uh, uh,
benefiting the normal everyday American.
Mm-hmm.
Um, you know, I definitely
didn't see it via the inflation
and immigration of Biden.
Uh, I, I, Obama, I mean, he, he just
like the first year of Trump, was
really riding an economy that was just
fresh two trillions being printed.
Uh, so I don't, uh, it's hard to judge
either one of them as good or bad.
Um, I get back to Clinton.
Clinton was the first one to have
us in a surplus- Yeah … but he's
also the one that got NAFTA in
place, which sent our jobs across the
borders and removed Glass-Steagall
from the FDR New Deal, which allowed
banks to be whatever they wanted.
You know, Obama allowed for
the ruling of Citizens United.
So there's issues on both sides.
Ca- do I see a world where somebody
walks in, whether Republican,
Democrat, green, purple control, that
says We printed way too much money.
We need to force the Federal
Reserve to divest its assets
to rebalance this market.
We live in a world where we have to
have age limits, term limits, and
we can't insider trade in Congress.
We can't have corporate and foreign
lobbying infiltrating our campaigns.
Uh, to, to think that s- these
profit-minded politicians en masse
are going to just shift the way that
we do politics, I don't think so.
Yeah.
'Cause as long as there's money
in Congress, I don't think there's
gonna be major enough change.
I think there's gonna be just light
enough legislation to get by while,
you know, we, we see people like the
Hakeem Jeffries and the, the one guy
out of Jersey just be really just
mouthpieces for things people want, but
then nothing actually comes to fruition.
Mm-hmm.
Yep.
Mm. So I see mouthpieces.
I, I see… I do s- and I do, and I've
interviewed people who, who, who I was
like, "If you, if I could populate you
and clone you to all 535 positions in
Congress, man, we'd get some stuff done."
Um, but like I saw with Massie
when I went out to Kentucky to
help support him in his race, I saw
Israeli money beat him to the ground.
Yes.
I saw boomers getting tricked
by AI advertising to, to-
Yeah … influence the polls.
Yeah.
I saw it right in front of my face
that- Yeah … we're run by this
society right now politically of old
and unformed individuals, and this
being an election year that isn't a,
a presidential election year, we're
obviously gonna have less turnout.
Could it still flip blue?
I think it will.
Um, does that mean that Trump's
impeachment might be on the table?
That would probably have to do with
whether or not the Senate gets flipped.
Uh, will this change
whether or not we go to war?
Well, he hasn't been going
through Congress for war anyway.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I don't know.
I, I don't immediately think the
Epstein files get released and
that housing affordability is fixed
within two years if that happens.
I think we're in a, we're in a
40, 50, 60, 70-year problem that
we're, we're balancing a debt-based
house of cards, and nobody wants
to be in office when it collapses.
Yeah.
I know, so, so Hawaii has passed
a ban on Citizens United at
the s- at the state- Sure did
level, yeah.
Sure did.
Um, Montana has a plan called the Montana
Plan, which is basically- Mm-hmm … a
copy/paste of what, um, Hawaii has done.
Yep.
What about that?
What if, I mean- Oh, listen
…
because at some point, right?
Like- Alison, this is about the 302.
Yes.
With all of the corporations out of
Delaware, imagine if Delaware did that.
Yes.
Now, of course, you're gonna get
the Mamdani effect of, well, you're
gonna piss off a lot of billionaire
corporations and they're gonna leave.
Right.
Well, you're kind of right.
Yeah.
You gotta have this at a national level.
Um, and states have to, uh, get
involved obviously a- a- and tag
team this effort to say, "If you're
funding campaign efforts to a certain
dollar amount or higher or at all, you
know, you can't be incorporated out
of here," and that's what Hawaii did.
That's what Montana's looking to do.
Yeah.
I don't know if Nevada or Delaware
would have the stones to do it
with the amount of corporations-
Delaware, I don't think
in a million years.
Yeah.
I don't.
It, it would take a lot of stones,
and I could even see the economic
argument for why you shouldn't.
Yeah, I mean, that, that, that's- Mm-hmm
why Delaware does this, right?
It is economically fortuitous for
us to be in this position, this
unique position that we're in.
Yeah.
Yeah, you al- you almost have to, like
if you are economically shielded, if
you're s- if you feel like your state
is safe… Like Hawaii is Hawaii, okay?
Right.
People are gonna wanna be in Hawaii.
No one's
running the corpora- get a corporation in
Hawaii.
Exactly.
Yeah,
yeah.
People are gonna wanna be in
Hawaii.
Although not
a bad place to do it.
Yeah, I mean- Not a bad place
to be physically located, right.
Yeah.
I mean, I mean, we, we n- I mean,
obviously like Zoron's only able to do
what he can do in New York because there
are that many rich people who live there.
Yeah.
And there's a line out the door- Yeah
… to buy whatever high-rise apartment
building when somebody leaves there.
But you can't do that in Illinoi- well,
well, maybe you can in Chicago, but, uh,
you can't do that in Nebraska, right?
You can't do that in, you
know, the Midwest, a place like
Michigan or something like that.
So you really have to be insulated
from some of these issues to even
be able to approach something like a
Citizens United, you know, or dis- or
a disbanding of it at the state level.
Yeah.
A- and that's economically the reason
why politics and what I talk about just
got so intertwined, because economically,
a lot of these issues are federal.
Yeah.
You know, when we look at the supply
of food and how it makes its way from
a farm to your table, and just how
federally controlled that is by- Mm-hmm
… oligarchy of three to four companies.
You look at how energy is distributed,
and you look at the private equity
firms that are purchasing those up.
Yeah.
You look at healthcare, you look at
childcare, you look at health insurance,
and you just see oligarchic, prideful,
greed-focused tendencies that are not
being looked into by the very people
who could make the changes to stop it.
Mm-hmm.
And instead, they throw a little flimsy
legislation like the one that j- I just
talked about, where you have anybody
over 350 homes, they can't buy any more.
Well, you left out the one part
that kept them from building
build-to-rent neighborhoods.
They can still do that.
Right.
You didn't force them to
sell their properties, so th-
they're still gonna have them.
No.
And we're not encouraging builders
to build small, we're not changing
the regulatory costs, we're not
inclu- uh, including anything that
would incentivize zoning shifts, even
though I think there was a tiny part
about that for the benefits if those
can find ways to build more, uh,
creatively by shifting up their zoning.
It's just a matter of will they?
Mm-hmm.
Uh, we have a lot of issues that, that
are core to our country right now, that
were founded in '70s legislation, '50s
legislation, '90s legislation, that just
doesn't apply to the modern day, brother.
Uh, just before this you're like,
"Gig economy." Well, our unemployment
rate doesn't factor the gig economy.
That's one of the main reasons it's still
at 4.2%- Facts … because no one goes and
says, "Yes, I'm unemployed and can't find
a job." They go and DoorDash and Uber, and
if you deliver one burrito, the government
doesn't consider you unemployed.
Right.
Right.
That's wild.
So-
It is.
It is
…
I guess for me, my last question before…
And then Seth, you can ask yours.
Okay.
So like you said, there's a lot of
policies that have been just kind
of carrying over or expanding or
growing like a s- like a snowball
turning into a boulder down a hill.
Um, I'd love to think that we
can vote our way out of it, but
I think you know I know, right?
The likelihood of that happening is
slim to none, um, because there's too
many establishment politicians on both
sides of, of the aisle that have…
Or they're invested in keeping
things the way they are, right?
They are invested in the status quo.
So my thing has kind of always been-
Evelyn.
I don't know if you can hear her.
Um, you know, the thought that
I keep having, Zach, is we're
gonna have to get to a point where
Americans sort of… I don't like
to throw around the word revolution.
I know it seems very hyperbolic, but I
think we have to get to a point where,
okay, we're done with the oligarchy.
We are done with the status quo.
Politicians, maybe you don't wanna
do something about it, but we
can't sustain this anymore because
the pressure is on us, right?
We're the ones feeling it really.
We're the ones trying to
stay just above water.
What do you think is the way out?
Do you think Americans will
ever get to the place where
they're ready to I don't know.
Do something other than
trying to vote it away.
I'll say this.
Um, I think there's pl- plenty
enough on the table for something
to have already happened.
Um- Mm-hmm … you have a
12% rate of 30-year-olds that
are married and have a kid.
You have Gen Z not being able
to get a job out of college.
You have tech and robotics and AI
that's threatening the job market
for the next five, 10 years.
Uh, there's a lot of unknown
for the young demographic.
Um, I know for me at 16
years old, you know, I didn't
have a cellphone in my hand.
Um, I know today at 16 years old you
can doom scroll yourself into oblivion,
uh, in echo chamber algorithms that
are designed to, uh, addict you.
Uh, you can lose yourself, you can lose
your f- form of self-worth, uh, and you
can completely just degrade your brain.
I think we're seeing a lot of
that in the Gen Z demographic.
If not dumb, uh, but almost feeling
stale, feeling numb, feeling disheartened.
Uh, I know for me in the millennial
demographic it's a little different
because I can remember a time
where things didn't feel this
way, um, in, um, the analog world.
Yeah.
So I think there's two directions.
I think the most likely, to be honest
with you, uh, I think the AI oligarchs
are licking their lips right now.
I think they see people not buying homes.
I think they see people getting
frustrated, arguing about everything
left and right and in between.
I think they see, um, the lack of jobs.
I think… Oh, am I good?
Yeah, I'm good.
I think they see, uh, the crime rate
increasing, uh, in a lot of areas and,
and they start licking their lips.
They see the chaos of teen takeovers
and what's going on in Los Angeles,
and they're licking their lips 'cause
they're walking us into a world
where if nobody can afford anything,
if the food supply cracks, if we go
through an energy crisis, they are
licking their lips because they're
gonna be able to offer the solution.
Mm. They're gonna be able to offer
the solution through these digital
security aspects, through this,
uh, digital ID aspects, to be
able to connect you to their grid.
And through the connection to the grid,
I, I… And not to get like Mark of
the Beast-ish, but you get to a world
where, "Hey, we can supply your food.
We can supply you shelter.
We can make sure you're insured, but
you need to do X, Y, and Z. Your socials
aren't gonna talk about X, Y, and Z.
You're gonna work for X, Y, and Z. You're
gonna do X, Y and Z." And it's a little
bit of a prequel to like a cyberpunk.
Yeah.
I, I think that's the world that we're
walking into because at the end of the day
we're not going to be the hegemonic leader
of this world for the next 10 years.
It's gonna be China, if it isn't already.
Mm-hmm.
So w- we've lost a lot of worldwide
leverage, and this war showcased
a lot of our loss of soft power.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We cannot just walk around and
wiggle our military dick around and,
and do whatever we want with it.
Uh, we've proven that.
So I think there's this world
right now where we are focusing
on our hemisphere of the world.
We're going after Central America,
we're going after Canada, Greenland,
South America, uh, Venezuela,
Cuba, Colombia for a reason.
We need to take over this side of the
world for its resources, and when we do,
and the tech gl- uh, tech oligarchs, uh,
have say on what goes in and what goes
out of all of their infrastructure, well,
they're gonna have the government by their
balls, and it's gonna be what they want.
And if w- I think there's only
one of two things that happen.
We revolt and everything changes and
flips on its head, or we fall victim
to the AI oligarchy surveillance state.
And we basically become
slaves to the tech overlords.
Yeah.
I mean, look how quick Flock's going out.
I haven't seen any-
anything get input- Yeah
I haven't seen anything
moved on as quickly as that.
Mm-hmm.
You know, w- when- Right … when there's
profit behind it, people move quick.
Yeah.
And between the data centers and the
Flock surveillance and the, the lack
of, um, transparency around some of
these literal camps they're holding
people in, you know, I, I, I definitely
think there's an immigration problem
and there's certain people that got
in this country that shouldn't be here
'cause they're not here illegally.
The way we're treating it and,
and, uh, forcibly removing
softball coaches is disgusting.
Yeah.
Um, and from a military background and
a light law enforcement background,
I know that when you're put in those
situations, it could mean life or death.
You've trained on them so
much that it's instinctual.
You know the, you can, you can see
what's going on around you, you can
understand the, the moment, you know
the person to your left and right is
thinking the same thing 'cause they've
been trained on the same thing, and
you wo- you move in a, in a unit.
Mm-hmm.
And you don't see ICE move in a unit.
You see people who've been trained
from ragtag different areas of
law enforcement for four weeks.
Um-
Absolutely
…
so all of these issues combined,
again, I think the tech bros
just like he- hell yeah.
Like China, they're watching us drain our
money and soft power on Iran, all while
Russia's doing the same thing in Ukraine.
They're, they got their legs kicked back.
They're like, "Hell, yeah." Right.
They're
very
happy.
"Hell, yeah. Keep on.
Keep on." And- Mm … and,
and, and, and hey, they've created
a really good quality of life
for their people over there.
So they're f- uh, the,
the Chi- Shut up, you
communist.
I don't wanna hear it.
Shut up.
Look, man.
The, like, the- Shut up … the
Chinese are not push- the
Chinese are not pushing back.
Yeah.
They're not.
Like, they're very happy
with what they got.
And so, you know-
Well, it's interesting, because when
you look at their model- … that's
what matters … it's basically a
minimum of 20% ownership of the,
of the government on all business.
Right.
Yeah.
Um, we already do that for the largest
companies in this country, Nvidia,
Apple- Right … Google, Facebook-
Thank you,
Zach … Tesla, SpaceX.
I mean, already socialism for the elite.
Thank
you, Zach.
Yeah.
We just want it for everybody.
Right.
Right.
Right.
And so I think, and this is what I'm, what
I'm personally gonna end on, is like- The
Republicans, who knows how much damage
that they've done to themselves or will do
over the midterms in the next two years.
Uh, but there's this new class of
people, I think, made up of younger
people who are disenfranchised.
Uh, uh, other people who kind of
see the light who are older but, you
know, they're, they're financially
secure but they see the problem.
They see that our economy's not
gonna get better unless there is
home ownership and other things and
generational wealth for the younger
generations, or else it's all…
it will all go away.
Uh, so I, I, I foresee this, this new,
almost this new party come along where
all Democrats, Republicans, Independents
join together and say, "No money in
politics." Uh, you know, obviously, i-
you know, Israel and really just foreign
influence period is a problem, uh, and
that goes back to money in politics.
Um, can everybody form together
fast enough to stop this Ready
Player One cyberpunk, you
know, uh, future from coming?
Um, is that possible before
all this goes to shit?
Yeah, think about it, Joe.
Like, imagine the chip that can go in your
wrist that can alert you when you're two
years away from a possible heart attack.
How valuable is that?
You know, when I can attach it to
my glasses and it can show me the
weather, right, in a little hologram
in the top right, and it can let me
know that, oh, Eric's two blocks away.
That's fun.
That's fun.
That's fun.
People are gonna be like, "This
is fun." It's like Facebook again.
So much fun.
It's, it's… Yeah, it's a new…
It's a new era of con- All my
friends are
here- Yeah, yeah … on the
grid, baby.
Yeah.
On the grid.
But exactly.
For that you're on the grid.
Like, the- Uh-huh … when, when
we're going through peril, again,
like I'll bring up the Nixon Shock.
We were put in that situation
'cause we lied about gold.
We tried to fund the Vietnam War
and social aspects of our country,
the br- uh, the guns and butter
economy of J- Lyndon B. Johnson.
We were put in that scenario by our
own frivolous, undisciplined spending,
and the only reason that we were able
to do that is 'cause things were bad.
Another example, 9/11.
What was the reason we got
the Patriot Act passed?
Terrorism.
Yeah.
An attack.
Yeah.
What was the only reason we
got Citizens United passed?
You know, we're going through the GFC.
Like, the only reason we're able
to print $4 trillion, COVID.
We have to be in a bad scenario in order
for a solution to be prepared by our
government and oligarchs, and I think
that this world right now of expenses
going up for everybody is very purposeful.
If not purposeful, advantageous, and
that advantageous side of things is
gonna be advantageous for the elites,
the Zionists, the billionaires, the
tech bros that want to see a world
where they can control and orchestrate
their ideology and theology on us.
And we're already seeing it happen.
We're, we're already watching it happen.
So I don't think it's too tinfoily
adjacent to say that that's probably
where we're walking toward, 'cause to
be honest with you, uh, I… A- after,
after the Epstein file release, and that
was also about four and a half months
after Kirk, I, I was not disenfranchised,
but I reached the point where I'm at
peace with nothing's gonna change.
Mm.
And that might be very black pilly,
but, um, I'm at peace with it.
It, it's, it's, it's easy to
fall into that because it is such
a complicated problem, right?
Yeah.
Like, there's, there's,
there's no easy solution.
So, uh, the other thing, uh, one last
thing I wanted to posit to you is
that, like I said, Republican Party
has done a lot of damage to itself.
Tons.
Tons.
So much, and so is there a way- Through
the Republicans being defeated election
cycle after election cycle after election
cycle, where they kind of fold and make
room for a third party where, like I said,
Democrats, Republicans, Independents are
joining together on this common kind of,
uh, ground where we are talking about
populist only type stuff, stuff that is
only good for the middle class, low class.
Um,
is that- I think it starts
with the mo- Is that possible?
I think it starts with the
motivation of the politician.
I don't think it starts with the
voter, and that's a big trick.
Hmm.
I, I think it starts with the
motivation of the politician.
Why do they want the
position in the first place?
Mm-hmm.
They, they p- like for example, Congress.
That was created as a position where a
normal everyday citizen could get enough
support through their standpoints and
through their ideas to make their way
into office, spend some time in there
making, making good on their word,
and then returning back to society.
That's not politics today.
Yeah.
They're there for profit, they're
there for power, they're there
for ego, uh, they're there for
pride, and they're there forever.
And the problem is there is no
reason for them to leave, so
they need to have age limits.
We need to have term limits.
We need to get insider trading and
lobbying out, and contributions to public
campaigns out, and then we're gonna
have people who actually care about the
country running for these positions.
Like, if we said, "Hey, your
median income is based off the
median income of the constituents
you represent," and call it flat.
Like, there's no reason that you should
be working nine months making 160
grand benefiting off IBM stock trades
because you're on a certain council.
It, it's, it's… In my opinion it's
the motivation of the people that are
in there, because you have just as
many people who are in there that love
being mouthpieces and feeling good.
Like, I'll shout out Ro Khanna.
I think he's not very good.
I think he's a mouthpiece.
I think that he lies a lot.
Hmm, interesting.
I've met him a few times.
I, I've, I've, I've grown that opinion
through a couple other people that
have had in- like, actual in-depth
conversation with him, and there's a
lot of times where he's just simply
airing on what the s- the vibe is, and
he's very good at sensing the vibe.
Mm-hmm.
He's very good at sensing the vibe.
Uh, but to say that that's the person
that's gonna run for president,
like, Newsom is the guy that's
gonna run for president, like-
Oh, God.
Oh, God
…
Kamala Harris is gonna run, like,
these are still the options.
Um- I do think that there's room for
the third, uh, the third party, and
I think that Americans, if given the
option, would break up the two-party
system in majority right now.
I think that there's a
lot of call for that.
Um, will it happen?
Again, I, I, I kind of verge on the no,
because what better way to keep control
over a people than through division?
And if we allow people to feel vindicated
and heard w- and, and, and, uh, come
together, you know, through mutual
discrepancies that they have and, and
mutual benefits they wanna see in this
country, you know, change would happen.
And the last thing that the controlling
party would want is, is change
that's orchestrated by the people.
That's called a democracy,
and why would they want that?
Mm.
Yeah.
I mean- I think- … the, the only
way is if the Republican Party folds
or one of the major parties fold.
And yeah, like they're
not interested in that.
They love this division.
I think, uh, I think what Zach
inadvertently did was just give a huge
shout-out to Left Out Loud, because
that's what we do on the show, right?
Let's go.
We're talking to people that are
running for the right reasons.
They kind of have to pledge these values.
Um,
because I- And they're
regular,
normal people,
right?
Regular, normal people Amen.
A lot of them are public servants.
They're not attorneys.
They're not elite.
They're not Ivy League.
'Cause here's the thing, I do-
I don't, I don't necessarily
buy into the third party thing.
Like, in your scenario, for
example, Seth, if the Republican
Party sort of collapses, right?
They're getting voted out of existence,
so okay, now we need a new party.
Well, they're gonna infiltrate that.
They're gonna try and, and shape
that because- Mm … they're
gonna have to raise m- And I
would argue if the Democrats
are g- are, are f- in full
control, I mean- It's showtime.
Like, prove you can fix things.
Right.
Like, it, it might be a qui- it might
be a quick exit on both parties if
they got- Exactly … eight years
worth of control and nothing happened.
I think from my opinion, and the reason
that we got into this in the first
place, we have to reform the party,
either party, from the inside out.
It has to be the people that are being
elected into the party, into those
roles, are there for the right reasons.
Un- it grows.
You know, enough of them get in
there, and now we are pushing out the
people that are in it for the money,
in it forever, in it for insider
trading, PAC money, all of that shit.
So that's in my- Or just
for a tweet to go viral.
Right.
You know, whatever.
I mean, for me, I think that's kind of
our big way out, from the inside out.
But that's gonna take a lot of time.
It's gonna take a long time.
Well, it will.
A lot… And, and it's gonna
take people, like regular
people, who are not power hungry-
Mm-hmm
…
who don't get the ring of power and
start going a little crazy like Frodo.
Like-
Look, I ask it all the time to the
people that we interview- It's tough
how do you pr- how do you, how are you
going to prevent yourself from becoming
the thing you're running against?
And I think, I don't know how that
happens or where it happens, but
it happens with a lot of people.
But we've seen some people
where it hasn't happened.
I mean, look at Bernie, you know?
Bernie's still really pretty much Bernie.
Always has been.
Um,
or Tulsi.
You're gonna have to get a bunch of
people who are gonna have to vote
for term limits for themselves.
Yeah.
And can you find, what,
what is the number?
218 people who wanna do that.
Yeah.
That's the question.
I think you could
do it
if you made a… I think
you do this, right?
I think you do this.
I think you create the Hero
bill, the American Hero bill.
Hmm.
And it's a bill that creates age limits-
Yeah
…
term limits, bans lobbying, corporate
and foreign, bans super PAC funding-
Mm-hmm … bans insider trading.
There's better oversight by committees
to ensure it doesn't happen again.
But everyone who votes for
it gets grandfathered out.
They can finish their term-
Okay
…
going standard, but in history
they'll be looked at as the
American heroes who stopped it.
Now, do they get- Mm-hmm … to
continue to profit for a
little bit until they're out?
Yeah.
Sure.
But they'll have that ego in 'em of,
"Oh, this is what the people want
and I could put my stamp on it."
Yes.
Could be.
Um- Could
be.
And who's the asshole that
doesn't wanna sign it?
You know what I mean?
Well, I mean, you could say that
about the Israel and American
militaries forming- That's
true … and insider trading and- God
Goddammit, Zach.
Sorry.
My bad.
It's, uh-
Gotta get
the money out … it's a, it's
a pain taking, paying attention
to a lot of these things.
I know.
I
know.
I,
I know.
Oh-
It is
…
oh, it's, it's torture being in the know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, but, but I tell you what, I, I
would rather know and see it coming than
all of a sudden it drop on my doorstep
and be like, "Oh, shit." I'm done
And that's what I'm trying to do
at this point economically Cooked.
A- and, and- Yeah
the videos I create and the corruption
I'm trying to unearth is just to let
people know, hey, this is what's going on.
Yep.
And through knowing what's going
on, through understanding the, the,
uh, what greed does to people, and
through understanding what insider
trading, uh, tempts people to do.
Like, for example, like how do you get
people out there doing corrupt things?
You have to make the corrupt
things illegal, 'cause right now-
Mm-hmm … they're not illegal.
Yeah.
So like, for example, in the NBA,
they were getting tired of these
players basically just jabbing
at the, at the offensive guy.
You know, little, little hand
fouls at the hips and the chest.
Mm-hmm.
And it wasn't a foul.
These little hand fouls, but
what it was doing is it was gl-
uh, it was mucking up the game.
Yeah.
It was mucking up the game, and it
was creating an opportunity for less
scoring, which of course the NBA wanted.
Mm-hmm.
So to, to change that, they changed
the rule to say now if you do that,
we're going to call a foul on you.
Yeah.
It's like in the NBA if you said, "Well,
hey, teams are holding the ball for way
too long. They're holding it for three,
four, five, six minutes before taking
a shot," they're like, "Okay, here's a
shot clock. You got 24 seconds." Right.
We gotta have the rules in place.
If we want them to follow an ethical line,
we have to make the ethical line the law.
And we see that's things like with
the ICC and international crime,
that doesn't always play, but here
nationally- Right … we can enforce it.
So we ha- we have to change the rules.
Who changes the rules?
I don't know.
What are the exact rules
that need to be put in place?
I'm not gonna sit here and say that
I know, but i- there's clear change
that's needed, and economically
speaking, people can see the forest
for the trees, that things aren't
gonna get better anytime soon.
Yeah.
I agree, unfortunately.
But, you know- Yeah … midterms
are on the horizon.
We just don't know yet.
Zach, this has been a real pleasure.
I want you to let people know how to
find you, like what are your handles,
what's the name of your podcast, when do
new episodes air, all that good stuff.
Yep.
Monday, Wednesday, and
Friday are when I'm posting.
Uh, Wednesday and Friday we have a
podcast that drops on Apple, Spotify,
and YouTube called The Zach Fal Show.
Okay.
Uh, and then we have a stream that we do
that updates everybody on what's going
on in the world, what happened over
the weekend and last week on Mondays.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, did that just this morning.
So, uh, just keeping up to
date with what's going on.
And, and through- The view that
isn't as blue and red and more okay,
they're separating between blue and
red so they can chase more green,
it gives us a little bit of an
idea of, okay, where is this going?
Mm-hmm.
When's the money gonna get printed?
When's this bailout gonna happen?
Why… And so we can make moves with
our own money to kinda hold onto the
coattails of the elite, and that's
what I try to do on our channels, let
people know where they can still grow
financially- Yes … where they can still
find, uh, little loopholes here and there
and, and we can base it off history and
real unbiased facts about our economy.
Love it.
Love it.
This has been a real pleasure.
Thank you for having us, guys.
As always, I mean, I, you know, I feel
like I, I've known you forever, but
that's just 'cause I really enjoy your
content and listen to you all the time.
And, uh, I'd love to have you back
sometime because I feel like there's
about 14,000 other topics we didn't
even get a chance to get to yet.
For
sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, I need to get in on
one of those foreclosed homes
that aren't foreclosed yet.
Yeah,
exactly.
Give it, give it a couple years.
We don't know where those are gonna go.
Give them
a
few years.
We'll see.
I
know.
Yeah.
But thank you, man.
There's a lot, man, a
lot of great information.
And I mean, like I said, we gotta
have you back 'cause there, there's
still a lot more to, to talk about.
Yeah, we didn't even say the word Zionist.
That's crazy.
I know.
How about that?
Okay, well let's save that for the
next one, 'cause we, we want, we've
been wanting to do- The Zionist
episode
…
we've wanted, we've been wanting
to do an actual special episode.
We've been talking about-
Yeah … the history of Zionism
and sort of all- Yeah, back
into
the
1870s and everything
yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
I'd love to do a deep dive on that.
And- I would love to … of course
would love to have your expertise.
Would love to.
Okay, let's do it.
That, that's a, that's a date.
All due.
All right.
Thank you, Zach.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate y'all.
See you.
Have
a great one.
Talk to you soon,
all right?
You too.
All right.
Well, Ally, that was a really
great conversation with Zach Faust.
I mean- Mm-hmm … so many
different topics that we got.
They all felt kinda connected
though at the same time.
And I mean, he's just a
really knowledgeable guy.
I mean, he's talking about like he's, he's
dumb, he couldn't make it through college.
Brother, I think- Whatever … you just
may have picked the, I, I think you
might have just picked the wrong, uh,
major or something because obviously
this guy is very learned, uh, a, a
student of history- Mm-hmm … clearly.
I mean, he could teach a history class
anytime and I'd, I'd sit down and listen.
So real- really great, great that
we got to talk to him about real
estate, the housing market, what it's
gonna take to, to get America and
the middle class to the next level.
I mean, th, th, this, this episode
was chock-full of good stuff.
Talk full of good stuff.
Good, bad, and everything in between.
Um, I definitely wanna have him back on
the show because like we talked about,
there are so many other things to talk
about that we didn't even get to today.
Um, he's not dumb.
I think if anything, Zach is one of
those kids that wasn't able to be
challenged enough in school because-
Oh, yeah
he's a sponge, right?
He just has, like, perpetual
curiosity, which I just love that.
Um, I'm like that to a degree, but
he's got… Well, he's 20 years younger
than me, and also he has- … that
amazing recall for stats and figures
and dates, and I, I've never had that.
Um, just a really
interesting guy, so smart.
Um, interesting that he got into
this the, the way he did, right?
Yeah.
Housing market started to slow
down, and kinda started looking at
it and, "All right, how can I help
people stay afloat and, and prosper
even though the economy is, is not
looking super great right now?" So…
It's a, it's a classic millennial tale.
Like-
Yeah
…
all right, what else can I do?
What other- Yeah
hustle can I find?
Mm-hmm.
And, and, and I'm just so glad that
he found his voice- Yeah … and
now he's able to, to spread wisdom.
Uh, because I mean, the millennials
need it, the Gen Zs need it.
We need to get in these houses.
Mm-hmm.
We need to figure out a way
how to, how to get more houses.
Uh, and, and Zach's a guy with,
you know, great, uh, you know,
knowledge on that, but also, like,
just the history informs him so much.
Yeah.
It just adds a whole nother level
to what he can teach people.
So yeah, I'm definitely looking forward
to, to when we have him back next.
Me too.
Um, yeah, there's so much to talk about.
So I wanted to go to his page real quick.
I know he said, but he doesn't…
You know, he s- he talks so quickly.
Okay.
So, um, Zachary Faust you wanna
look for on socials, TikTok and IG.
I know he posts a lot of information.
You'll see, like, um, Zach Delaware
Realtor, you can look him up that way.
Mm-hmm.
Or Delaware Realtor Zach.
Um, and his, his podcast is
called The Zach Faust Show, and
I think he said it was Spotify,
um, Apple and YouTube, I believe.
Two of those a week.
Um, check him out.
He really is interesting.
I've been following him for a while.
I love his deep dives.
I love just the information.
Um, he really does go deep with
this stuff and- Yeah … you
don't get that much anymore.
You know, we get click bait.
Right.
The- these five second
little informational things.
But for somebody to really go into
things e- through a historical
lens, all the way through modern
day, um, I find it fascinating.
I just really enjoy him.
Yeah, absolutely.
So it won't be too long before
we talk with Mr. Faust again.
Absolutely.
All right.
Well, that's it for now.
I'm gonna take a little time off.
You just got done
moving, now I gotta move.
I am exhausted.
I've been packing- Mm … all weekend.
I have more packing to do.
So I will see you, um, you
know, about a week or so.
Yep.
Sounds good.
See
you then.
All right.
Bye, Seth.