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Join feminist coaches Taina Brown and Becky Mollenkamp for casual (and often deep) conversations about business, current events, politics, pop culture, and more. We’re not perfect activists or allies! These are our real-time, messy feminist perspectives on the world around us.
This podcast is for you if you find yourself asking questions like:
• Why is feminism important today?
• What is intersectional feminism?
• Can capitalism be ethical?
• What does liberation mean?
• Equity vs. equality — what's the difference and why does it matter?
• What does a Trump victory mean for my life?
• What is mutual aid?
• How do we engage in collective action?
• Can I find safety in community?
• What's a feminist approach to ... ?
• What's the feminist perspective on ...?
Becky Mollenkamp (00:00.871)
Hey, hey, how are you?
Taina Brown she/hers (00:01.748)
Hello. I'm all right, how are you?
Becky Mollenkamp (00:05.634)
good. We're going to do this is going to be a short like little mini episode because we want to talk about something that's coming up this month. Let's set the stage right off the bat though, because it's not for everybody. This is for coaching. Yeah. So if you're not a coach or use a coaching practice, meaning you could still be and you don't have to be a certified coach. You don't have to be like, you know, running a coaching business per se. But it's for people who really care about like the practice of coaching and also people who are running coaching businesses. But again,
Taina Brown she/hers (00:15.624)
It's not. Yes.
Taina Brown she/hers (00:32.213)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (00:35.444)
I'm no longer certified by ICF. I do have a certification that I received to become a but I'm no longer ICF certified. I don't think you're ICF certified. Yep. So like, we're not, this is not about gatekeeping. So we're not saying it's only for the certified coaches or any of that, but for people who care about coaching, because if that's not you, you're one of our listeners and you're like, I have nothing to do with coaching. Peace out. It's okay. No big deal. Yeah. Yeah. Because you won't want to come to this.
Taina Brown she/hers (00:44.167)
Amen.
Taina Brown she/hers (00:56.081)
Yeah, no hard feelings. No, you won't.
Becky Mollenkamp (01:00.408)
But if you are somebody who's a coach or cares about coaching, then we want to tell you about something that we have coming up this month on the 25th. So this is February. If you're listening to this later, sorry, but we'll be doing them again. So check back. But if you're listening in February, we're getting ready to do one coming up at the end of the month. And it's all about a liberatory coaching, how to have a liberatory coaching practice, which is like not just about helping your clients hit their goals.
Taina Brown she/hers (01:11.573)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (01:18.569)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (01:25.454)
or manager outcomes, which is stuff that we do obviously, but it's really about helping them expand what seems like it's possible in their lives and also running your business in a very different way. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (01:31.988)
Yeah.
Different way, different way. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like Becky said, it's the 25th. It'll be at noon. It's virtual. We're going to go through some of the things that we've realized help us build our own Libertarian Coaching practice. Things that are important in the messy liberation coaches circle that are kind of foundational to how we run that space, that community. We'll talk about
identity, power, privilege, explore how those things and those experiences shape the coaching space, not just your clients, for your clients, but also for yourself, how your identity, your power, your privilege, and in ways where you don't have those things, how that also shapes not just you as a coach, but the space that you create for your clients. so, starting and how to run your business in a way that acknowledges that.
Becky Mollenkamp (02:24.77)
Yeah, and how you run your business too.
Taina Brown she/hers (02:29.01)
Yeah, think starting there helps to increase not just your own agency, but the agency of your clients. It helps them to feel more empowered and more like they have choice in how they choose to live their lives, regardless of external pressures or external things that might be coming at them.
Becky Mollenkamp (02:49.368)
Well, and without repeating patterns of harm, unintentionally, like I think if you're listening to this, you're a coach who cares, right? You're not a coach who's like intentionally causing harm. But there are so many ways that we can unintentionally repeat the patterns of harm that we sort of are conditioned into, that we embody. And that capitalism just is constantly like grinding into us. And so that's how it goes up and how we run our business, how we interact with our clients. If we aren't
Taina Brown she/hers (02:56.243)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (03:07.981)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (03:12.85)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (03:17.678)
really intentional and focused on doing it differently. this is free, just to be clear. I want to make sure everybody knows this is not a paid session. This is a free session, and it's live. So we hope that you can join us when we do it. We may record it, may make it available. So definitely, I think if you sign up, we'll send out a recording. Yeah, so if you
Taina Brown she/hers (03:18.971)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's free, yes.
Taina Brown she/hers (03:36.819)
You'll get the recording, yeah, yeah. But it may not be just like publicly live. You have to sign up in order to be able to get the recording. Yeah, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (03:42.146)
Yeah, right. It's noon Eastern, noon Eastern on the 25th. So if you can't be there live, that's okay. Sign up because only those who sign up will get the recording. We want to make sure you see it either way. And so.
Taina Brown she/hers (03:51.611)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing, well, I was gonna say, like you said, know, not repeating those harmful things. And I think the things, the thing that we sometimes forget about repeating that harm is that sometimes it's not evident that it's harmful. And so I'm thinking about phrases like we all have the same 24 hours in a day or, you know, man up or it's time to hustle, it's time to grind or those limiting.
Becky Mollenkamp (03:58.444)
Yes.
Becky Mollenkamp (04:07.854)
Mm-hmm.
Becky Mollenkamp (04:16.192)
It's limiting, are those limiting beliefs?
Taina Brown she/hers (04:19.815)
Beliefs, yeah, or fake it till you make it or, you know, like things like that, like those kinds of ideas, which objectively, right, seem like they're not necessarily causing or might seem like they're not necessarily causing any harm. And I know I've definitely have had those same ideologies, right, for a long time, but.
Becky Mollenkamp (04:39.566)
guilty as charged. Absolutely. The amount of time I talked about limiting beliefs is shameful to me now, but also like I didn't know what I didn't know. And that's what we're, we want to help with. Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (04:48.979)
Right, right, right. And so this will be an opportunity to explore how some of those things can be harmful and a way to keep the intent without causing the harm, right? And so...
Becky Mollenkamp (05:01.262)
especially if you have privileged identities. So, and again, you can hold both marginalized and privileged identities and most of us do. Exactly. So when I say if we all privilege identities, I don't just mean white folks. there are, you can also be a person of color who holds, who may have class advantage, right? You can, you may have education, exactly. And these are the things that we want to unpack together. So we're gonna, in this session, what we're gonna do is talk about the three, like,
Taina Brown she/hers (05:08.371)
That's the beauty of intersectionality.
Taina Brown she/hers (05:21.477)
Education privilege, yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (05:30.83)
three buckets, the three sort of essential buckets of building a sustainable and liberatory practice. And we've done this session once before and this part we did and it was, think, not to toot our own horns, but I think it was really helpful for the people and the coaches in the room to really help them think through these areas. And one of those is around as community and we're going to talk about community and why it's important. I think we often think about the practice of coaching and the business of coaching. And both of those are things we focus on and are important.
Taina Brown she/hers (05:42.792)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (05:59.48)
But that third sort of bucket is around community. And that sometimes gets overlooked in this world we live in that's so individualistic. And we want to talk about why community is so important as a coach and in your coaching business and what that looks like if you're wanting to have liberatory community. But the part that's new this time and we're really excited about because we didn't do it last time is this time you're also going to start to build your own liberatory coaching manifesto. So.
Taina Brown she/hers (06:14.693)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Taina Brown she/hers (06:18.874)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (06:25.166)
We will walk you through it. This is going to be an interactive workshop. This isn't a sit back and listen, although you can if that's all you have capacity for. But our goal is to make this more interactive so that you show up feeling like this time that you spend with us, this hour, it'll be probably a little less, just so you know. But we will honor your time. But we want that hour to feel really useful. Like you're walking away saying, I didn't just learn something, but I did something. And so you're going to have this personal guide that's going to help you with things like values and boundaries.
Taina Brown she/hers (06:47.664)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (06:52.984)
that are gonna help you in your work. It'll probably end up being the kind of thing you'll wanna put on your website, honestly.
Taina Brown she/hers (06:57.284)
Yeah, yeah, your website, all your materials, et cetera. And, you know, the bottom line is you don't have to do this alone. You know, we are both entrepreneurs and whether you run your own coaching business or you're an internal coach, you know, at a company, sometimes the work can feel lonely because you see the value in what you do, but sometimes other people don't. And so we're here to let you know you don't have to do this work alone. Libertary coaching is joyful work, but it is
hard work and it is often 99.999 % of the time sustained in community and so community is a space for us to reflect, to be accountable, to engage in shared learning and in shared support, in mutual support and this workshop on the 25th is gonna give you a little bit of that and to just kind of help sustain you in the coming weeks and in the coming months and so
It'll help your work feel more aligned. It's going to help you feel more grounded. And hopefully, it's going to help you and your work feel more human, because sometimes that can feel a bit detached.
Becky Mollenkamp (08:09.919)
at a time when humanity feels like it is being, as always, even, yeah, even more so stripped away from us. and to be in full transparency, we are gonna pitch to you. We're gonna tell you about the messy liberation coaches circle.
Taina Brown she/hers (08:13.233)
stripped, stolen.
Becky Mollenkamp (08:24.268)
We would love for you to join us, but we also want you to know whether that is something of interest to you or not. You're still going to, again, walk away with something that you can really use in your business. So the pitch part of this is a very small part to be clear. But we do want to tell you a little more about our community, because again, as you were saying, you don't have to do it alone in this community can be here to help. But don't let that don't let it scare you off. This is not just a webinar where we're just going to sell. We're going to actually really walk you through something that will be helpful.
Taina Brown she/hers (08:30.511)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (08:35.535)
very small.
Taina Brown she/hers (08:46.285)
Yeah.
Taina Brown she/hers (08:50.148)
Yeah.
Becky Mollenkamp (08:50.942)
So we hope to see you on February 25th at noon Eastern. Again, if you can't be there live, sign up anyway. The link is in the show notes or the description, wherever whatever info is with wherever you're consuming this, whether that's. Yeah, whether you're on YouTube or somewhere else, but you can also go to messy liberation dot com and we'll put it there front and center so that you can sign up as well, because we want to make sure you have an easy way to get to it. So messy liberation dot com. It'll be on there or there'll be a direct link to the sign up.
Taina Brown she/hers (09:02.033)
Wherever you see the text.
Becky Mollenkamp (09:20.522)
in the show notes and we hope you can join us and if you can't be there live sign up so that you get the replay and the information about the community and we hope to see you.