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When life gets hard, does what we think we believe hold us up, or does it crumble under the weight of doubt? I'm your host, Dr. Lee Warren- I'm a brain surgeon, author, and a person who's seen some stuff and wondered where God is in all this mess. This is The Spiritual Brain Surgery podcast, where we'll take a hard look at what we believe, why we believe it, and the neuroscience behind how our minds and our brains can smash together with faith to help us become healthier, feel better, and be happier so we can find the hope to withstand anything life throws at us. You've got questions, and we're going to do the hard work to find the answers, but you can't change your life until you change your mind, and it's gonna take some spiritual-brain surgery to get it done. So let's get after it.
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Well, friend, we're back. It's Sunday afternoon on the river out here in western Nebraska.
We're sitting on the banks of the North Platte River in the middle of the 2024
Sandhill Crane migration.
Yes, they're everywhere. They're everywhere. And if I'm here with Dennis McDonald
on a Sunday afternoon, it can only mean one thing.
It's Tuesdays with Tata. Amen. How are you doing, Tata?
I'm well. How are you? I'm doing well. I had a little bit of a flu bug or something
this week that cost me a couple of days down. but I'm back on my feet and feeling better.
You doing well today? Yes, I am.
That was the only thing that I suffered with during that period of time.
Lisa was very ill and then you got it. But I've been suffering with having,
my head is a little stuffy.
Other than that, my voice is a little raspy. Yeah. But other than that,
I'm okay. You always seem to dodge it.
Primary care doctor, Dr. Britton, our friend, shout out to Jeff Britton if you're
listening. He said, the only way Tata's going to die is if one of us murders
him. He's going to live forever.
You're healthy. That's a blessing. Amen. I count myself blessed and highly favored.
After 86 birthdays, you're still basically healthy. No surgeries,
no medicines, essentially. That's amazing.
No. I take two prescriptions, and that's it. One of them's for mania, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Putting up with me all these years.
Yeah. Just wanted to finish our conversation last week, Tata.
We did a relaunch of Tuesdays with Tata. That episode was heard all over the
world and people are grateful to have you back.
And it's such a treasure, I think, to be able to sit down and do this together.
Thank you. The fact that people listen is an amazing honor.
I feel honored and blessed. and as I said, blessed and highly favored.
We covered some of the background last week on who is Tatai.
This week I wanna go a little deeper on the spiritual side and let's just get
the basics out there for people as they're listening, is we're gonna do this
spiritual brain surgery every
week and let's just get some basics and talk about the Lord a little bit.
Like, what do you remember growing up, like as far as your spiritual upbringing,
and when did you, in your opinion, and really decide to become a follower of Christ?
What's your faith story, if you will? Well, one of the things that I count very
valuable to me is that we were kept in the Word.
But one of the things that I discovered about myself was that I knew a lot about
God, but I didn't know Him. I didn't know who He was.
I mean, I understood who He was, but I did not know him as my God and Jesus
Christ as my Lord and Savior.
I accepted Christ when I was probably 13 years old.
And I remember the day distinctly because I was baptized and the baptistry was not heated.
And it was October and the water was very chilly. I remember that.
But I can remember attending baptisms where people were baptized in creeks.
We went every summer to Sabinal, Texas to camp.
In fact, I went to singing camp there, and that's where I came in contact with
Austin Taylor, who wrote a lot of Christian songs.
I think Fanny Crosby wrote more than he did.
In fact, she had to write under a pseudonym, I think, a pen name.
I don't recall what it was now. Because she was a woman? Yeah,
well, and she had written so many songs. She was told, I think,
that you've written enough songs. You've written enough, correct.
Get somebody else a chance, yeah. But understanding, you know.
It took me a long time. And here again, as I think about it and think back about it, I don't know why.
Because I don't recall not being in church.
Right. I don't recall not being in quote-unquote Sunday school. Yeah, I don't either.
But I did not, and I learned a lot about that.
And as I said, I'm so thankful that we were kept in the Word.
We had to do memory verses, and I'm like everybody else.
We all tried it once, the memory verse of Jesus wept.
But the teacher would not let anybody get away with that.
So I don't know. As I think about some of the trauma and some of the tragedies
that we've experienced,
I think every one of those events I learned more about God.
I learned that he was with me whether I wanted him to be there or not.
That's right. He was there. He was there.
And whether I ask him or not just
like God said about the Gentiles he said they will seek me and find me.
I'll let them find me. That's right. and I'll make them my people,
people that didn't seek me.
And so, friends, as you think about that, think about, I know we've worn out
the phrase personal savior.
I've thought about that many times, and I don't know what phrase to use to replace
it, But you can't get any closer than that if you allow Jesus to be your personal Savior. That's right.
But so, and then...
I think that one of those things, and in those events, the tragedies that we've
experienced in our life, that we learned and we experienced something.
And we began to see things that we had not stopped long enough to see.
And maybe that was the whole point.
Maybe it didn't stop to say, who are you? What do you want from me? Talking to God.
But somewhere in the, you know, later in my life, and I think probably some
of it came when I was in college, that I began to understand clearly.
Because one of the things that I did, I wrote a paper once about every religion
that I could research, you know, that I could do it physically.
And bear in mind when I went to school we did not have the internet we didn't have.
Computers that we had access to we didn't have Google so we had to do that by hand,
and it was laborious but I did it gladly because I wanted to know and after
a while I did know I did know God,
I didn't know just about him I knew who he was and what it was to me.
Do you feel like that happened sort of in response to life bringing you hardship
so you had to rely on God? Well, I think some of that is applicable, yes.
I think some of that came to play, and the point was made that one of the things that God himself said,
and I've thought about this so many times and I agree with him every time I
think about it, God himself said, apart from me, you can do nothing.
That's right. And because he is our creator.
So where do we think we can talk to him and ask him why when he created us?
That's right. He created everything that we see.
We're looking at this river, this beautiful river out here, and he created all of that.
And and he he didn't just he didn't
just wave a magic wand no he spoke it
into existence he did he made it and so when i say when i say that i think about
what the disciples asked jesus what is our work and jesus said just to believe
that's right and and i think about i think about John 3, 16,
that God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son.
And we know what happened to Jesus when he was sent. He died for us.
He loved us so much that he died for us. And through his death on the cross,
we were redeemed. We were brought back from sin when we had no hope.
That's right. The original sin, and we talk about that a lot,
the original sin, the first sin that we know about, occurred in the Garden of Eden.
When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit because they disobeyed God.
And they decided that they knew better. How they did, I don't know that.
I can't understand that. how they could look at something and see that it was good,
and that it was appealing yeah when God had created them in his own image in
his own image he hates sin yeah,
he doesn't want anybody to be lost that's right so I think,
to answer your question it probably I know that one thing that it made me do
it made me look at myself myself in greater detail.
And when I did, what I did is I looked at myself in terms of what was I about? What was I doing?
Where did I think I could go?
And I heard some time ago, and Max Licato said it, he first encountered someone
that he hadn't seen in a long time and Max asked him, how are you doing?
And the guy didn't say a word. He just took a napkin and wrote on it.
It's not about me, and it's not about now.
Wow. How accurate can that be? And that's exactly right.
It's not about me, and it's not about now. That's right. Wow.
You know, you've said it twice today, that there was a point in time when you
realized that you knew about God, but you didn't know God.
And we talked about it on the main podcast recently.
I don't think we've talked about it here on Spiritual Brain Surgery,
but the Germans have two different words, three actually, at least three,
but two different words that relate to different ways of knowing things.
And there's a word, wissen, W-I-S-S-E-N, and it's a left brain kind of knowing,
and it's this set of facts, the set of data that you have.
Like I know, I could pick you out of a lineup, I know what you look like,
I know how tall you are, I know how you walk, I know the sound of your voice,
these are facts that I know about Dennis McDonald.
And we all have this idea, this left brain idea that we know God because we
know that Jesus was the son of God and he was resurrected on the third day and
we know that he created the world and we know all this stuff.
But that's not the same as knowing somebody. That's right. And the other word
is this Kennen, K-E-N-N-E-N.
Kennen is this other German word, and it means to experience something to the
level that you understand it.
Right. You know it. That's right. You know all about it.
And in relation to a person, like there's a difference between knowing all the
facts, the biographical facts about Dennis McDonald and knowing you.
Right. Like, I know who you are, and I know what you are, and I know your character,
and I know the content of your heart.
And when we relate to God, that's something that we need to make a decision about.
Like, friend that's listening, like, if your life, if your relationship with
God is full of facts and data and memorized scripture,
that may not serve you very well when you encounter that trauma or tragedy or massive thing.
That set of facts that you have as your God may not be what you need.
What you really need is to know. And when we approach those,
when we face those things, maybe we need to be like a blank slate just in waiting
for it to be imprinted on us. That's right.
And then we know, then we understand and know, and we own then. That's right.
Or we can take the other approach.
Poor me. Yeah. Why, God? Why'd you let this happen to me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
And when you look at it and boil it down to its essence, it's a fair question.
But who are we to even ask it? That's right.
That's right. And the example that we have is Paul mentioned that the potter
has a right to do whatever he wants to do with the clay. That's right.
He makes an honorable vessel, or he makes a vessel to be used for dishonor.
That's right. That's right.
Yeah, I saw that scripture in Corinthians. I can't think of where it is right now.
I'll put it in the show notes. God provides the seed for the sower and the bread for eating.
That's right. Like every bit of it, everything we have comes from Him.
Our voices and this computer that we're recording this audio on, it's all from Him.
We have this idea that we're doing all these things for Him,
but Paul says very clearly He works in us to do good things that he wants us to do.
That's correct. He's doing the work. That's right.
And we don't understand that. And for me, that's part of the mystery.
And far be it from me to even try to noodle that out. Yeah.
I won't. Because we're talking about my soul, and we're talking about eternity.
Yeah. And in eternity, there's only two places. That's right.
There's only two addresses and I want the first one. I want heaven, I don't want hell.
Okay, well let's go there for a second then, Tata. So there's a shockingly high
percentage of people that would say that they're Bible-believing Christians,
who don't believe that there's a literal heaven and a literal hell,
that God is going, that people will actually go to hell and be punished for eternity.
SO, LET'S GET ON RECORD HERE, LIKE, WHAT'S THE TRUTH ABOUT THAT?
IS THERE REALLY A PLACE CALLED HELL? LIKE, IS THAT LITERAL OR IS THAT SOME METAPHOR?
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD CHALLENGE THAT PERSON WHO SAYS THAT THEY BELIEVE THE BIBLE.
That means they don't believe the Bible. That's right. Why? Because the Bible
says there's a heaven. That's right.
And Jesus himself said in John, I think it's John 14, that I am the way,
the truth, and the light, and no one comes to the Father except through me.
That's right. Not a way or a truth.
That's right. The way. That's right. And the truth. And Jesus talked about both
of those places as well. He did.
So they exist. What they look like, I can't even tell you.
That's one thing that I don't dwell on. What's it going to be like there? That's right.
I just want to get there. That's right. I've often said, just Lord,
let me in the city limits. I'll sweep the streets.
Yeah, just let me in. Just let me in. That's right. Right.
Well, I think that's important to say because if you pay attention to secular
culture, you can start absorbing these ideas that everybody's basically good
and we should all just love each other.
And those are good ideas, but the truth is the biblical worldview,
we're not basically good. We're fallen.
We all sin and we fall short of the glory of God and we desperately need a Savior.
What's going to make us happy is not pursuing our heart's desires and trying
to follow my truth and your truth and you do you and me do me.
That doesn't make people happy.
And you can look at the culture and see the fruit of that is that people are
progressively more miserable. Well, go deeper than that.
If people say, I want to do it my way, what does that say?
What does that really say? They refuse to accept anything other than themselves. That's right.
So what are they? Self-centered. That's right.
Rebellious, stiff-necked. Yeah. And that's what the Lord said about the Israelites. That's right.
He knew that they were rebellious, but he loved them anyway.
That's right. And so that's an example for us.
So don't we love God and don't we love ourselves?
And what does it say about loving yourself if you say, I'm just gonna do it my way? That's right.
There was a song, I did it my way. Yeah, Frank Sinatra.
Well, what does that mean? Those
things sound good and they sound like something you want to own. Yeah.
But what did it do?
What difference did it make? Where are you? See, for me, that's the whole issue.
For me, people don't ask that question.
They're like sponges. They just absorb it.
Oh, that sounds good. I'll try it. Yeah.
What does that say? That says they have nothing to hold on to.
That's right. They have no anchor. Yeah. They have no rock.
That's right. But that's where God is, and that's what he said he was. That's right.
And that's what he is. Tata just held up the word when he said that.
He said, that's where God is.
And so, okay, let's pivot, and let's talk about the word for a second.
Where did you come in your life to the idea that the word of God was something
you could or wanted to build your life around?
Well, I've thought about that as well.
And to fix it in time, I can't.
I know that there was a lot of things in my life that I went through mechanically.
By that I mean I went by the numbers, left foot, right foot.
But when you finally decide, when you finally decide and you finally understand
that you can't do it yourself.
I can't do it my way. That's right. So there's nothing left.
And that's been said before. No one really knows that they need Jesus until
there's no place left to go. That's right.
And for me, that's a sad commentary, but at the same time, there's some beauty in that as well.
Yeah. Because you come to a point where you realize I can't do it myself.
That's right. Does that mean you give up? No, that means you come to truth.
You come to the reality of what really exists and what really is.
And you finally say, okay, God, I can't do it. God, help me.
And then that's when we start asking him for help. That's right.
And I don't know, excuse me, I don't know where it was.
I can remember after Rebecca died and I got back to Fort Benning and I don't
know, it was a wee hour, early hours of the morning.
And I remember this man's name came and got me out of the shower.
His name is Mac Williams.
He's since passed away.
And he was one of the guys that I think I told you about before that he and
another guy parachuted into Laos and mapped the terrain.
And for six months they lived on the ground and then were picked up by submarines. Wow.
And he found me in there was nothing left of me.
I didn't have anything to hold on to. Rebecca's Tata's first child who died
while she was still in the hospital after being born.
And that was hard. hard. But one of the things that I've known all my life is that life is hard.
And whatever you get is a gift.
And you can say, what's one time I did, I said it.
With these hands I did it. But that's not true.
After you come to that realization of what God said, when when he said,
apart from me, you can do nothing. That's right.
That leaves you hanging, doesn't it? It does. But then that,
he leaves you hanging for a purpose.
Everything that happens to us has a purpose. It does.
In either, either we fall face down and give up, or we stand up and try to press on.
That's right. And the question is, how do we live in this world?
We have to be thankful for everything. I'm thankful that I get to see the blue sky.
I'm thankful I saw the sunrise this morning. And every morning when I see a
sunrise, I say, thank you, God. Thank you, God, for letting me see that.
We were, I guess it was three nights ago, we were sitting here maybe 30 minutes
before sundown, and there were eight bald eagles and a tree down.
And we were all taking turns looking at them through the spotting scope.
And we had cranes and geese and owls and hawks and what, red-winged blackbirds
and starlings and robins and just species after species.
And then we saw all those eagles and we were just all like almost driven to
a worship place, like God letting us see all this beauty that he's made.
And it kind of brings you to this place where you feel really small in the grand
scheme of all the things that he's done.
Full moon, and I guess I say that just to say, like, when we talk about the
word of God, like that you and I both have, we've talked about this a lot before.
Something happens in your life where you're taught to read it,
and you memorize it, and it goes back to this knowing thing that we talked about a minute ago.
And then something happens in your life, and you realize if you didn't have
the Word, you'd really be in trouble. That's right. You wouldn't have anything to hold on to.
Somehow those words are more than just words on a page. They're alive. That's right.
And the key to all of that is continue to look inside. Look at yourself.
Yeah. And examine yourself. Because the book reads you, too.
That's right. That's right.
And when we pray, that's us talking to God.
When we read his word, that's us listening to him. Him talking back to us. That's right.
That's right. Okay, so here's a question, Tata. You're stranded on a deserted
island, and you can have one Bible translation and one other book.
That's all you're allowed to bring. What you got? know what you got yeah well i
i i i don't like
closed-end questions okay i know but you gotta choose like the ship has sunk
your library's gone you have one book in your hand well right now i'm reading
the esv the english i had never read it uh i've read several translations of the bible i I had,
and for the years I used the NIV, the New English,
the translated.
New International Version. Yeah, New International Version.
And the last one that I had, the last version I had was the one that Harvey ate.
Harvey ate, yeah. Harvey ate Tata's Bible up to 2 Samuel.
And I'd carried that Bible for 15 years.
It felt like part of me was missing, you know.
I know. But then I thought, well, Harvey, you've got some of the Old Testament,
now we need to give you some of the New Testament. He needs to be baptized, that's right.
But to answer your question, I think I would have the NIV.
And one other book, I don't know. I've read so many books. There's nothing that I treasure.
I've read everything that Agatha Christie wrote.
But because one of the things that I like doing is reading something that causes me to think. Right.
And I've read, you've given me several books that I've read.
And I guess the only other book that I would want would be a book on prayer.
And you and I have talked about this before, but I had a book of the common
prayer book and I don't know what happened to it.
But I don't know. I think that would be one of the books that I would like to
have. The book of common prayer? Yeah. Yeah, that would be a good choice.
Because I would not, I can't think of anything else that I would want to have.
As far as I'm concerned, two plus two is four.
Yeah. I mean, that's all there is to it. And X plus Y is Z. That's it.
You have the word, you have everything.
But if you don't have what God said to you, you're missing so much. That's right.
There's a hole that can't be filled. That's right. And so, and I understand.
We see the prayer requests on the prayer wall, and we do see praise reports also.
And I understand that life is hard.
And I understand that there are times when there are no answers.
And most of the time, we don't even know the question. That's right.
Much less what could be the answer.
But when we get down to it and we're down on our face and we say why what difference does it make,
it's not what it's not what why did this happen it happened.
The other part of that conversation we had before about after James was killed I,
Patty dug me out of a closet and the only thing I can the only thing I can remember
was screaming it's all my fault,
and then she Patty said to me no you can't claim that it's my fault and I said
no it's not anybody's fault it happened,
it happened yeah he was hit by a vehicle it couldn't have been anybody's fault
other than the driver I guess.
Yeah, that's hard. We have these moments in our lives, and obviously for us it's losing minutes,
but before that it was probably some of the things that I saw in Iraq that sort
of changed the way that you feel about your own life.
Yes. The perception that you have of what your life's about or where you're going in your life.
And I think that's one of the reasons people get stuck, Tata,
is that something desperately wrong happens is that it not only upends our thought
about where our life was going,
but it upends our sense of justice and right and wrong and God's character and all these things.
If we're not careful, we find ourselves not knowing what we believe or if we
can believe anything anymore.
And so I think that that's one of the reasons that being grounded,
we talk about this prehab idea,
it's one of the reasons that having a heart full of God's promises in God's
words and information and understanding that right brain knowledge of who he is.
Is so important because when we hit those patches and times in our lives,
we don't fall to nothing.
We fall to that place that we prepared in our heart. That's right.
That first aid kit to the solid ground that we can land on.
And you had Patty and she dug you out of that closet and I had you and Patty
and Lisa and my mom and dad and our whole family.
When Mitch died, but at the end of all that, other people can't really be the
answer for you. No, no, because they can't feel it like you do. That's right.
Because, and that's where we talk about those things that become very personal to us.
And you feel all kinds of sensations.
Of course, the first thing you feel is a sense of loss.
But then you start questioning yourself yourself, well, what did I do wrong?
And as we look back, and we look back over our lives, and we see things more
clearly now than we did when we were in the midst of it.
But if we don't have something to hang on to when we're in the midst of it,
when we're in the fray of the battle, then we don't have any hope.
That's right. Because the hope comes from being able to stop yourself and say.
Why what that's right what's happening
to me that's right what am i letting happen to
me yeah then you own it and
you say no more that's right no more that's what we call self-brain surgery
this idea of exercising the privilege that god gave us the only thing the only
creature he created that has this selective attention ability,
where we can say, I'm not gonna go down that path of thought.
That's right, that's right. I'm gonna let God's promises speak into this moment.
I'm gonna experience him.
And like you said, we have to look for him in those moments and expect him to be there.
And so when it's hard, we observe a universe in which God will be there to keep
his promises and then we'll find him there.
Because the Apostle Paul, and he said this, and it's in Romans,
I know that, that God's gifts and his promises are irrevocable. That's right.
Irrevocable. He can't go back on his word.
He can't take it back. Now, what does that look like? I don't know.
All I know is he can't. That's right. That's Hebrews 6, 17.
When God desired to show more convincingly to the heirs of the promise the unchangeable
character of his purpose, he guaranteed it with an oath.
His gifts and his promises are irrevocable. That's right.
He can't change his mind. That's right. He's not going to take his mind.
He's not going to give it to you and then take it back.
That's right. He's given to
you. That's right, Tata. He's not going to punish you now. That's right.
But he might let you punish yourself later. That's right.
Because someone said, why does a good God send good people to hell?
God doesn't send anybody to hell. That's right, he doesn't. We decide we're going to go there.
That's the best way to put it. God gives us free will, and he loves you enough
to not make you spend eternity with him if you don't want to.
That's right and that's really the definition of hell
as if this separation from god forever is is
the place of uttermost punishment and
pain is not getting to be where we're created to
be that's right but he's not going to make you be
with him if you don't want to no he doesn't send
you there against your against his will his will is for
you to be with him that's right i found this isaiah 30 this
morning there's this passage that says the lord longs to
be gracious to you he rises to show you
compassion his justice he will work out his
judgment and happier those whose hope
is in him who wait on him and what i
noticed for the first time is the word when it says the lord longs to be gracious
to you that word longs and then the back end when it says happy or blessed are
those who's what who wait on him yeah it's the same word in the hebrew and basically
what he's saying is It's this Hebrew word,
yakal, or different forms of it.
And it's a mental picture.
Could be translated as hope and it's a it's this picture of
holding on tightly to a rope that's not
going to let you go and and the word when
god says it he longs to be gracious to you he's and what he's saying there is
he really really hopes that we'll give him an opportunity to be gracious absolutely
i never saw that before today like like god's holding on to this hope that you
will let him help you and he even says he'll he'll rise to show you compassion like Imagine that.
If you go to the king in Buckingham Palace right now, King Charles,
you're going to have to bow down and get on your knee.
That's right. You want a favor from him. He's not getting up out of his throne
to do something for you. You're going to have to kneel, but bow down before him.
Our guide says, I will get up out of my chair to come help you. That's right.
Dennis, I'll come help you. And then he uses that word, longs.
You call this, I'm going to hold on to this hope that you will let me help you.
How precious is that? Oh, to me, that's stunning because one of the things that
we talk about it so much, but we really don't understand it,
that God created us in his image. That's right.
So we're just like him. Now, does that mean we look like him?
I don't know. No, I agree.
Well, Tata, there's immense value in getting to know someone on a deeper level.
So thank you for letting us just get to know you. We're going to come back here
every week and do Tuesdays with Tata as often as the Lord will let us.
But I wanted to just get a couple of episodes here where we cover a lot of ground
and just let people kind of get a feel for who you are again since it's been a little bit.
And we'll get back to the topical studies and the ideal studies next week.
Do you already know what we're going to talk about next week?
Probably. I'm thinking about part two of Jonah. Jonah. Jonah.
Yeah, we got to get back to Jonah. So I may replay the first one since it was
before we relaunched this and then we'll do a new one.
So that'll be good. We'll hit a one, two punch with Jonah. There's so much there.
It's not just about the fish. No, no, it's not. It's not just about the big fish.
That's good, Tata. Well, this has been immensely enjoyable for me.
I know it's going to help people.
And I just greatly appreciate you being willing to take the time to sit down
with us and dive into the word and look at life and have these conversations.
It's valuable. Thank you.
And so what's one piece of advice that you could tell somebody today that they
need to change their mind about and that they need to start today?
What's the one parting shot? The one thing that I would hope and pray is that
they've accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. That's right.
Accepted Him. And I don't know where it came to me. I can probably say that
the Holy Spirit provoked me to change that.
I used to say in my prayers that when I prayed for people that I knew or thought
or had been told did not know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
That's what I prayed. They did not know him. But my belief is we have to accept him.
That's right. He is the Son of God. He died for us.
And God raised him from the dead.
And so if all we have is hope and a resurrection, that's a lot.
That's everything. That's right.
There's hope for us, too. Amen. That's right. There's no better time if you're
going to accept Him today.
It's time to start today, isn't it, Tata? It is. Start today. Amen.
Thanks, Tata. I love you. Thank you. I love you, too. All right, friend.
We'll see you next week on Tuesdays with Tata. It's going to be great.
We're going to go deep. We're not going to stay superficial when Tata and I
get after it. We go for it, don't we, Tata? Amen. Yes, we have to.
All right, friend. Don't forget to start today. We'll see you next week.
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