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Flip the Script with Vic is a sacred space for real conversations with real women 🩷 Hosted by Victoria Nielsen—intuitive healer, mama, and space-holder for the divine feminine—this podcast amplifies women’s voices through raw interviews, intimate solocasts, and unfiltered conversations on motherhood, mysticism, psychedelics, ancestral healing, spirituality, identity, and more.
What began as a personal exploration is now a communal prayer: a gathering place for cycle-breakers, mothers, mystics, creatives, witches, and wild ones redefining what it means to be a woman in today’s world.
Every episode is an invitation to remember that your voice matters. That your truth matters. Together, we walk in beauty, become the prayer, and flip the script.
Hello, hello.Welcome guys back to another episode of Flip the Script with Vic.I'm your host, Victoria Nielson.I'm really excited today.I think I say this at the beginning of every episode, but this time, I'm bringing on my sister, Sophia Phillips, to chat about what it's like to be, um, a woman in today's society.And I think it's really interesting, she's on the cusp of Generation Alpha and Generation X, whereas I'm a Millennial.We have a 22-year age difference, but we're very similar in a lot of ways, and I thought it'd be really fun for us to just have a conversation today, so hi, Sophia.Welcome.Hello!I'm so excited.So, we grew up in different places, which we don't have to tell, you know, people too many identifying things, um, but we also, uh, were both born in May.We're both Tauruses.Mm-hmm.We're 3 days apart, which by the way, I'm really glad, because if you had been born m- on my birthday or before me- .I would've been really salty.I can admit that.So we're 3 days and, you know, 22 years apart, but we're also both Projectors in human design, which is fascinating because Projectors aren't a huge part of the population, uh- .and I think I blew your mind when we were talking about it the other day, Sophia.But it's just soI don't know.It's just so cool to have you here and to have a different perspective and a different generation, um, 'cause IYeah, I know you're, you're in the closet woo-woo a little bit, and when we havewhen we chat, you're way more intuitive than you think you are.So welcome- Aw.to the podcast.Thank you for having me.So if you were to, I don't know, share a little bit about, uh, growing up asI mean, you know, you're a 14-year-old girl right now in America.You wereSome of your defining years in elementary and middle school were happening during COVID, like when the whole world was locked down.Yeah.What, what has your life been like?Well, growing'Cause younger years, it was all normal, you know, going to school, kind of similar just normal processes.In third grade, that's when COVID hit, and everything shut down.So our brother and me wouldWe would spend all our time in the house, not going out, barely any sunlight.Like, it was a stressful time, but we ended up making it fun.But it was always interesting to see that we didn'tWe weren't able to fa- uhWe weren't able to build those connections that you would build in middle school 'cause we didn't go to middle school.It was all online, and that has definitely carried over 'cause you- I was wondering that 'cause like- Yeah.did you guys have friends come to the house to like come play?No.'Cause did when I was younger, I had like good group of friends, but when COVID hit, everyone shut away.They were all like, "We don't want our kids to get sick," 'cause most of my, uh, most of my friends had baby sisters at the time.It was very strange.Oh, so like they- Everyone-were even more like, "Oh-" Yeah." let's, like, be online.""Stay away."Yeah.Yeah.'Cause I- 'Cause I had a baby during that time, I get it.So everyone was like, "Please stay away," and so those 4 years really isolating, and, uh, I would form these deep connections with people, and then it would be a situation where you wouldn't see them for 4 years.And so it was very hard on 8yearold me to go back and be like, "Do they not like me anymore?"'Cause I couldn't grasp that concept of COVID or a- Like, "Why aren't they talking to me?"Like, "Why, why are we not friends anymore?"Exactly.So that was a hard twist growing up.Yeah.Well, and I think it's interesting 'cause I remember always talking to Dad that I, I worried you weren't gonna have the normal middle school experience.But you kind of almost did because that's what- Mm-hmm.you know, middle school girls go through is like, "Do they like me?Do they not like me?"You know, all of the cliques that, as much as I hated it, I feel like it's formed part of- Mm-hmm.who I am today, right?And I, I think it's an important rite of passage to be able to function in today's society.Do I think, you know, we, we come out unscathed from that?Like, absolutely not, but, you know, it's interesting that that still occurred, even though you guys were, like, in isolation.And, you know, my brother, our brother is 2 years older than Sophia, so, you know, at the time you guys are what?Third and fifth grade.Like, that's super young, and then to have to be stuck at home, not understand, like, what's happening, um- Yep.you know, and then have, like, Mom take over teaching and, like, what a wild time.I know, and it was really hard for both Ben and I 'cause we both gained a lot of weight over this.So we both got really depressed, and heI don't know if you remember how thin he got during- Yeah, he wentWell, 'cause he-He, like, super tall.Yeah.Got super tall, really skinny, and then whenLike a year or 2 before I went to middle school, went to 8th grade 'cause I went forfrom third grade to 7th grade homeschooled, and then 8th grade went back, and I was stick thin then 'cause I was so stressed out, and I was really worried about middle school.And Ben had a horrible experience.Yeah.He was like, "Everyone's so mean.They're terrible people."And I was likeI was so worried.I was like, "Oh my gosh, I'm gonna get bullied.I'm"Like, everything's gonna happen.And it was fine, by the way.It-worked out perfectly fine for me.So it was just a weirdtransitional period from his freshman year to my 8th grade, it was such a different situation for both of us.It's really interesting to me.Well, yeah, 'cause I feel like you- you're- that 2year age gap isn't that much.But I also feel like there's a huge difference in, like, male and female.'Cause like to- to me, you know, you're like I was at 14, like you're more mature.And I just think women, we mature faster.We know this, like, scientifically, right?And I- I also think maybe that age for him of, like, that 5th grade to 8th grade, like that was a harder transition time to be home.To not be around kids, to not be, like, on a sports team, and- and be around other people, um, you know?Like, I- I remember, and sorry Ben, this is not to pick on you, we love you.But, like, I remember his first wrestling meet, like when, you know, he went back to school and you guys were, umObviously COVID wasn't happening anymore.And like he did his weight set and then he was like, "Okay, it's time to go home," and Dad was like, "No, you stay for your team."Like you- you support the team that's there.And it wasn't his fault, he just didn't understand that concept because you guys had been isolated.Like what team?Like what are you talking about?You know?And everything was about us, so our whole lives revolved around how we were doing.And so moving into 8th, 9th, 10th grade, it's really transitioned into the people around us, which is different forIt's very different for us, 'cause 4 years was just about our safety and our family's safety, and now it's more how people perceive us.And so that's an interesting shift- Mm-hmm.in the mindset, and it had to happen real quick.Did you'Cause I- Like you- I feel like that's what I help women unlearn- Yeah.is that like- that lightbulb that goes off, that like, you know- Sure."Oh, people are perceiving me, how am I being- Yeah.um, taken in?""And do I need to adjust my behavior because of that?"That's what I'm helping women like undo at like 35 and 40.Is thereYou know, very consciously noticing that shift, as I think that's different.A lot of kids, I don't think, get the conscious awareness that it's happening.Do you think that's helped you navigate it any differently?Or you still think you have the same, you know, anxieties and- and social, um, things, you know, being a girl in- in today's world?If that makes sense.I think- Stigmas, there you go, I'm like what word am I looking for?I think yeah.I think that's definitely part of it, of that constant worrying about, "How does my classmates see me?How does my teacher see me?How doesAnd what am I doing wrong?"'Cause right now, do you not like cursing on your podcast?Oh, no, you can totally curse.Are you kidding?Okay.Have you heard me?Just wanna make sure, just wanna make sure.You're adorable.I mean, whatever you- I'm sure Dad and- and Vic are gonna listen, so if you don't want them to hear thingsButThey don't care.Um, so, like right now in my life, I feel really bitchy about everything.And that's like something that I'm trying toI don't wanna unlearn that habit because I don't wanna be too much of a people pleaser where I'm putting myself at risk.Yeah.And I'm trying to put up boundaries now, 'cause I struggled with that in the past.And so it's just a weird part of my life where I'm like, "I don't wanna be mean to someone, but I also wanna put up these boundaries with them."If that makes sense?It makes total sense, and I think it's awesome that you're learning that now, and it's needed.Part of the- I love that we're having this conversation because when this airs, I will also be releasing, um, The Dark Feminine Diaries, which is a- a seven series podcast with my business partner from Monarch Mystery School.And we talk about that feminine rage, and about that like grief, and kind of alchemy of being a woman, and that at your age, we were never taught that.Mm-hmm.That like- that that's a part of being a woman, and that actually when you can harness that energy, that bitchiness- Yeah.you can do it from a healed place.That most of us- Yeah.when we do it, we do it from an unhealed, wounded place, right?Like we're the bitchy, jaded crone because we have all this knowledge and no one's listening.We're the bitchy, jaded mother because we're a martyr for our families.Or we're the maiden who does things to excess- Mm-hmm.because she doesn't understand that her rage doesn't have to be at 100.Yeah.Yeah.And so, I, I hope you know that, like, there's nothing wrong with you for that rage.Like, that's fucking amazing, actually.. And that you will spend your life, I think, balancing the boundaries of holding yourself and of burning everything down, and I think it's part of our magic, so don't be afraid of it.Honestly, like, don't be afraid of it, and that whenever it's burning out of control, like, what other element do you need to bring in?So, like, if you're in raging fire bitch mode, like, do you need some water to soothe you, you know?Like, do you need to maybe go take a bath?Like, you know- Yeah.do you need some earth to ground you?Do you need to go for a walk somewhere?Um, do you need some air to, like, clear the energy?You know, I don't know.Like, what, what other element can you bring in to, like, balance yourself, uh, is part of what I'm learning and teaching, and it's been really cool.So, to know that at 14, damn, that would save me a hell of a lot of time.. .And a lot of stress.You know?And a bunch of tears.. Like, do you think the rest of your generation is the- I, I don't think the rest of your generation is this self-aware, or are they?Oh, we are.You are?. It's really strange, because everyone's like- We're in a weird pocket of being, um, available to social media and being on social media, where we get so much information that you become so self-aware about what's going on in the world, what's going on with you, what's happening with your body, and it's just- It's a weird pocket, especially with preteen and teenage girls, of you knowwhat's going on, but you don't have all the answers, 'cause there isn't too much information out there that isn't produced by a man or by male doctors.Yeah.Guys.'Cause I've struggled with some health issues, and a lot of people will bring it back to a period."You're just having period cramps," or, "Your hormones are just changing," when it's really not just that.And so, people- No.No, we should never have pain in our periods.Exactly.Like, not that much pain.Because something's off.No.No, no, no.I mean, you can have a little cramping, a little something, but, like- Yeah.if you're sacked out, like, that's a problem.. Yeah.Absolutely.And it's just really interesting to me that we have this much information, but it's not all true, and so- I was gonna ask that.Like, how do you discern, right?Like, what's true- Yeah.and actually true versus, like- Mm-hmm.what's true for you?Because I think that's different.It's very different.Yeah.And it's scary now for me to even think about my kids, like, fact-checking things on the internet, or even, like, AI.Like, I was using AI for some astrology stuff.It was wrong.Mm-hmm.It was saying wrong information, like , and people aren't fact-checking any of that.Mm-mm.They just believe it at face value.I always try to find multiple sources, and don't go on WebMD trying to find, like- .You give me hope for the future, Sophia.Oh, my God.. .You're welcome.You're like, "Actually fact-check and look at multiple things.". Then go to, like, dot-orgs, not dot-coms, but'Cause there's so much WebMD that I've gone down the rabbit hole, and I'm thinking I have cancer, but it's, like, just a period cramp, and I'm fine.And it's just so funny to me that we have so much available information, and then it just gets jumbled with the wrong, just everything wrong.And it's really sad that it's more targeted towards the, like, women that don't have the strength to try and find real information.They just want a quick answer to get, to get an answer.And so, I hope- Yeah, they, they want a quick fix.Yeah.Everyone wants a quick fix.And so, they don't wanna take the time to see, or they don't wanna realize that they have to make a change, that a lot ofI have found a lot of-period energetics- Mm-hmm.has to do with, you know, yes, your sexuality, but it also has to do with, like, your feminine energy, and are you over-giving, and are- Mm-hmm.you holding onto energy in your body?And, and how are you feeling?And do you need to move some energy out of your body?Is something stuck there that's, like, not really wanting to move, you know?Like, I, I really believe our periods are tied to, to our energy, the energy we go through, the astrological energy.And the more disconnected we are from our bodies, the harder it is to, I think, move through some of that.But you're veryI mean, you're active.I feel like you're super intuitive and connected to your body, your cycle, um, and I feel like more of your energy, now that we've kind of talked about some of, like, the energetic stuff, how do you, as, you know, we've mentioned, like, all this information, a-again, how do you parse some of that?But, like, you grew up- Mm-hmm.You've always grown up with the- Yeah.internet and with information.Like- Mm-hmm.what is that like?Because obviously, I grew up in a time where the internet was born.The internet wasn't even around th- my entire life.And I feel like I had a very different experience not tied to a screen, not tied to, you know, a computer.I did do certain things, like, as a 12-year-old, totally went into chat rooms and, like, sexted, and, like, did things that, sorry, Mom, like, probably never shouldActually, you know what?I was younger than that.I lied and said I was 12.I was, like, 10.Um, so, like, I'm sure you have stuff like that too, but, like, is that-normal, because you guys were always on the internet, you know what I mean?I feel like definitely hearing you makes me feel better about the crazy s- shit that I did when I was a little younger, because I was likeAnd it's a common occurrence with Gen Alpha and Gen Z that we have everything at our fingertips, and weespecially when you're younger, you go and try and find them, 'cause you're like, "Ooh, this sounds like fun."It's really not.ButAnd everything's so new, 'cause it's like you have everything at your fingertips, and so you really want to utilize everything.And it's not necessary, in my opinion.You don't need to know everything- No.which is fine.We weren't born, like, we weren't meant to know everything.Exactly.And I feel like now that we have everything just right in front of us, just a tap, a click away, it's really hard on people's mental health as well, because it feelsFor me, you can easily feel hopeless, because it's like, "Look at this person.Look at what they're doing.And why can't I do that?"But there's noAgain, like with Instagram, and TikTok, and all that, you see people, and they're, they look better, they do better, they are better, andbut you're just seeing that perfect portion of their life, not the whole picture.Because most people struggle with mental illness behind the, behind the closed doors.And it's really important to find that, and understand that no one is perfect.No matter how much editing, no matter how much of that happens, n- no one is perfect.I feel like that's really important to keep in mind, and that I and my generation have had to really learn over when we were growing up, because it's right there at all times.Well, and then, like, with the rise of AI, I mean, I don't real-Like, I don't use it much.Like, I've started to use it a little bit more, but I've not been all in like I think some of my millennial counterparts have been.Do you, do you guys even use AI?Or are you very much, like, you've swayed the opposite way because you know how fake things can be on the internet?I do use AI for some things, especially if'Cause I know for, like, for me, I'll use it for test review.I'll put in- Interesting.a study guide, and it usually pops out some programs to help just review, and little test guides, and all that, which I love to use.And it's all the information that I've put in, so it's all trustworthy.And I just like the format of it more than actually trying to search out information using ChatGPT or any OpenAI programs.Yeah.So, that's how I really navigate it.I know some people just try and copy and paste, which is not the smartest move in the world.I mean, I mean, it's all you hear in the news, right?That, like- Yeah.kids are using it for tests, and, you know, papers, and, like, all of that kind of stuff.And I think that's just a really interesting, I don't want to say problem, but a thing that you're gonna have to deal with in your lifetime that, um, I, I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna have to deal with, but I think it's gonna become far more prevalent for you than, you know, it is for my generation.And already in the school systems, we use Goog- um, yeah, Google Docs.And you, the teacher can go in and watch a timeline of you typing to make sure that you are not copying and pasting any of the text, that you are actually typing.It, it tells you at the bottom how many times you've pasted text into the document.It tells you how many times they've gone off the document.I believe that's a feature as well.Oh, my God.But also, poor teachers this year.They have to, like, look at all this shit to make sure- Yeah.you're not cheating.LikeAnd it's just, it's crazy how many hoops teachers have to jump through just to make sure the students are actually learning and retaining the information.And it's really sad, just happens, soYeah.It's kind of, I guess- I'm- Yeah.You probably struggled with something like that, too, back in, 20 years ago thatI'm sure there was something my, my teachers had to do.I, uh, it made me think of, uh, that 20 years ago, I was, yeah, taking tests for people and getting paid for it.So- I rememberI can't say shit at all about my copying and pasting, or taking other peoples' work, because yeah.You were the work.You were like- I wa- I was the work.Yeah, people were taking the work.Uh, yeah, we did get in trouble for that, guys.Um- Thankfully, it was not too bad.I really thought I was gonna get expelled from college or, like, not get to go to college because it was my senior year of high school.Uh, good times, good times.I also am really glad to not be, like, your age anymore.I- I- I enjoyed that time in my life, but I also- I really like being an old lady now.Like, I really enjoy it.You're an old soul like I am.Are you, I mean, loving being 14, or do you feel like you're- I really feel like you're like a 45-year-old woman in a 14-year-old body.Like, in a nice way.I mean, not in a bad way at all.I love it just because of the people that I'm around.The high school's smaller.It's- I've joined multiple- multiple clubs, many sports.I'm, like- I'm very involved.I love the talking to new people, like, learning their experiences because I have some friends that have some crazy situations going on.Mm-hmm.And it's really nice to hear their perspective.I don't know if that's a, like, female thing of our souls wanting to help someone, that caregiver inside of us, or if it's just personality trait, but just taking care of people is one of my, like, strong suits.Mm.But- And you are so good at it.Last time I was there, Sophia cooked, like, all my meals for me, um.But I've- I've loved this conversation because you've given me- you've really given me hope because I feel like sometimes we see in the news a lot, like, you know, "Gen Z doesn't wanna work," like, "They don't wanna do anything."And I- I'll be honest, I don't know a ton about Gen Alpha.Obv- I think, you know, my sons are both Gen Alpha, which is really funny that you are too, but they're obviously much newer in the Gen Alpha.Um, eh, so it'll be interesting to see, you know, the beginning stages of it versus the end.If there is anything else that you, I don't know, wanted to share today about, like, being a woman in today's society or anything that's on your heart, what would it be?Just mo- more for your kids as well, just from, like, a woman to- woman to woman, um, they're gonna do great because they have you as a mom.They're gonna do fantastic.I don't doubt that they're gonna be, like, head of their class, gonna be changing the style of the classroom 'cause their mom's gonna be strict.No AI, no cheating, none of that, no taking tests for other people.You're gonna be on them, and so they're gonna do amazing.You- You are so sweet.They are.Aw.Well, and that goes for any other mamas listening.You guys are doing amazing.Truly, I mean, eh, this next generation, we're doing the right things.I think we have to be doing the right things if you are talking so openly and so consciously about your mental health, about being a woman, about being nurturing and- and taking care of others, you know.I don't think our only role, of course, as- as mothers is caregivers, but I think the more that we can lean into that, the more that we are gonna help the world.We're gonna heal the world.The world needs more love now, more than anything, more compassion and kindness.And Sophia, you are such a example of that.So thank you for being here with me.I love you.Keep listening to the podcast, guys.If you guys have been liking it, please like, rate, review, subscribe.I have so many fun interviews coming up with amazing women.We're just here having real, honest conversations from our heart.If you wanna be on the podcast, shoot me a message.Be good to one another.I love you guys.I'll see you next week.