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S6 EP4 | Playing into Jim's love for the Weird and Wild West, the studio demands a fictionalized and fantastical telling of a historical figure from the cowboy era. With that on the table, the fellas mosey on over to Dodge City and Tombstone to pit Wyatt Earp against some demons and devils.
Two screenwriters attempt to recreate, reimagine, or flat out fix, existing film franchises when 'the studio' demands...MORE FILMS! It's an exercise in creative thinking where they will challenge themselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. | Sixfive Media
Hello, and welcome to the studio demands in an exercise in creative thinking where we will conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film or series based on the demands from one of you listeners acting as a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. Overlord. As professional screenwriters ourselves and massive cinephiles, we talk movies all
JIM:the time. And we like
T.C.:to believe that we could meet any demand
JIM:Demanding at
T.C.:us. We will be your screenwriters for this episode. I am TC DeWitt, and joining me as always is Jim O. Fudge Berzelik. Hey, Jim.
T.C.:Hi. How's it going? I I had a different name down here for you, a conversation starter, but I went with O Fudge instead.
JIM:I I have a lot of
T.C.:middle words. I I I guess I can go off
JIM:Jim, a conversation starter, Brazili?
T.C.:No. No. Had a different
JIM:I had a different I quickly jotted it down, and then for
T.C.:some reason went, oh, fudge.
JIM:Do you want it's because you wanna talk about a Christmas story.
T.C.:That's it. Yes. I will talk about Christmas story.
JIM:Darren McGavin, Great great actor or greatest actor?
T.C.:I'm gonna go with great?
JIM:You're wrong.
T.C.:Oh, god. He's the old man. Right? Yeah. Yeah.
JIM:He is Colchak the Night Stalker.
T.C.:Is he? Yeah. You talk about that all the time.
JIM:I do talk about it. Did not realize
T.C.:that was him. Yes. Oh my gosh. Bubba says that you do you owe fudge all the time.
JIM:I do. Oh.
T.C.:And then you have to say, only I didn't say fudge. Do you do you remember the first time you cursed? Like, do you do you have any memory of or, like, an early memory of the first time you dropped, like, the f bomb or, like, swore in the backyard or something?
JIM:No. I remember the first time I gave the finger, though.
T.C.:Oh, I mine's connected. I mine's the same day. Oh. I remember we were playing backyard baseball, and my sister tagged me out at first, and I put my middle yeah. I put the middle finger in her face and went.
T.C.:She told on me, dad was like, were you cussing? I was like, don't know what that means. Were you cussing? What's cussing? Did you say the f word?
T.C.:I did. I did. I saw a kid in the neighborhood do it.
JIM:That was yeah. That's pretty much how my I I was just I was playing in the front yard, and a kid came up and gave me the finger. I didn't Yes. So I gave it back. Oh.
JIM:And that's what he did. Oh. I'm telling your dad.
T.C.:You flicked me off first, boy.
JIM:And he said, my dad's not home.
T.C.:Oh. Good comeback.
JIM:And then he said, well, I'm gonna tell your mom. I said, well, you can't because we're leaving soon.
T.C.:You were a mean little 16 year old.
JIM:Mean? I was a I was perfectly nice 16 year old.
T.C.:You were defending yourself. How old
JIM:were you? And then I was I think I was maybe six.
T.C.:Oh, wow.
JIM:You can't tell him he's not home. Yeah. And I we did. We we were leaving, and I asked my mom, mom, what does this mean? And she said, that's naughty.
JIM:Don't do that. Oh, Jim. Yellow.
T.C.:Eventually, reached a point where, yeah, just, like, you can just curse them with your friends. This becomes part of the the language.
JIM:I don't remember when it started. I think I started incorporating it into my writing in the fourth or fifth grade.
T.C.:You're saying like hell and damn?
JIM:No. No. It's
T.C.:You're dropping
JIM:Yeah. C words. Yeah. Shit words and fuck words.
T.C.:Woah. You're doing it now.
JIM:I'm telling your dad. That's right. You can't. He's not home.
T.C.:I'm telling your mom.
JIM:We're leaving soon. I like that that's a defense that you can't tattle on me. We're we're we're not gonna be home. We're leaving soon. We're leaving soon.
T.C.:We're leaving soon.
JIM:You won't have the time.
T.C.:I had a whole presentation prepared.
JIM:And then, like, a year I think maybe a year later, my parents found my short story folder. Oh. So we had a talk. Yeah. Naughty words.
JIM:Yeah.
T.C.:And you know what? They told you, Kent.
JIM:Yep. When we were doing the voices for Misfit Heights
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:I wanted to incorporate more stuff like that. And so one character in particular swears up a storm Mhmm. In that movie. And several years later, now, I kinda regret that. Mhmm.
JIM:It at the time, it felt really in place, and it found it felt funny to have a foul mouth character.
T.C.:Yeah.
JIM:But now it feels out of place. Like like, I feel you're I feel like you're watching the movie and then suddenly all all of these all these swears start popping out for, like, a minute that the character's on screen, if if even I And and, like Yeah. In knowing a little more about ratings and stuff like that, like, that that one little bit kind of raises the the rating of the movie a whole grade letter. And the thing is at the time, right, 02/8232 even when when it came out Mhmm. That was still fun.
JIM:That that that was in the spirit of of how how we meant it to be watched. Mhmm. And if if if I got it on something like like Adult Swim Mhmm. Right, I think it would actually be a lot of fun hearing that scene bleeped.
T.C.:Yes. Right? Yes. A 100%. I I glad you went there.
T.C.:I think South
JIM:gonna be way more entertaining. Than the swears themselves.
T.C.:South Park was so much funnier when it was be when they bleeped the kids. Now that they can just go blue and just have them curse. It's not it's not as funny. I think bleeping is funnier than actually hearing the curse words. So Sure.
T.C.:You wanna do that. You for me, personally, you create a whole new level of comedy by having this character being bleeped.
JIM:Yeah. It it right. Because then it it becomes funny because then every time this this character's on screen, the whole thing is just being bleeped rather than Yeah. Yeah. I have to sneeze.
T.C.:Gazoom tight. Well, thank you for for sharing your your your cursing history with
JIM:me.
T.C.:Mhmm. But why why don't we go roll into the actual demand for today, which I don't know, probably doesn't have anything to do with cursing? We might make
JIM:it work. I'll I'll make it. We'll make it work.
T.C.:We'll get in our rate. We'll get in our rating on this one. Okay. Well, there we're still in February, which is still you said that what? You can put a dress on it, but it's still a dump month.
JIM:I I yeah. I said you can put lipstick on it, but it's still a dump month. Right? Because put lipstick on a pig. Yeah.
JIM:Still a pig.
T.C.:But there there is an opportunity because I did notice that there is something coming out and I found two demands actually that reference it. The demand for today. Okay. We get demands from studios literally all over the world and you listening now, you can send us any demand you like and we will have to meet it right here on the spot With whatever your stipulations are, we will try to craft a a film here. And when we if we do our job correctly, we reach the end of the season, your demand could very well be the episode that is greenlit by our fans for the finale.
T.C.:So, yeah, keep sending your demands in, and here we go. Today's demand comes from Caleb from, oh, I'm sorry. Caleb Tran from High Noonish Studios. Long time listener, first time studio.
JIM:Very clever. Excellent.
T.C.:You already you already won this over here, Caleb. Anyone who knows the show knows Jim loves himself a western. I do. And in that, we are alike. So this demand is for you, partner.
T.C.:That's me. Although although Cart carte blanche isn't focused enough, so here's the demand. Using your love of dead lands and the weird West, and in the vein of Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, choose a historical historical moment or person a historical moment and or person from the Wild West and make it weird. Maybe this means you go back to Alien Frontier or Lone Ranger or play and place a sequel within a historical moment. Maybe add werewolves even and tie it into the lost lands.
T.C.:Thanks, boys. So the lost lands, you pointed out to me, is Paul w s Anderson's new movie coming out starring Dave Bautista
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:And his wife, Mila Jokovich. Yep. Jokovich? Yep.
JIM:Jokovich.
T.C.:Jokovich. And, yeah, I watched the trailer, and it's very dark, tower y, gunsling It's
JIM:it's right up my alley.
T.C.:Well, to that point, we also so, Caleb, thank you. I we will address this in a moment. From Jackson Pollyuk at splatter gore splatter gore studios, Paul w s Anderson's the lost lands is coming out, and all I can think is how would SDI handle this? Is the a sorceress travels to the lost lands in search of a magical power that allows a person to transform into a werewolf. Did not know that was the plot.
T.C.:Nice. Did you know that was the plot?
JIM:No. That plot. I knew I knew, like, I knew there was a sorceress and something and then a gunslinger is either hunting her or escorting her.
T.C.:Yeah. It allows searching for a magical power that allows person to transform into a werewolf. Okay. Thank
JIM:you. That's awesome.
T.C.:Thank you, Jackson, for for telling us what that's all about. But to Caleb's, yeah, maybe add werewolves. That explains that now. I understand that. Okay.
T.C.:So weird west, Jim.
JIM:This is
T.C.:right up your alley.
JIM:Yep.
T.C.:The demand is specific to something, though. We do have a specific pick a historical moment and or person from the Wild West and make it weird.
JIM:Make it weird.
T.C.:Yeah. So I I like the in the vein of Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter because I I remember when that came out.
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:And I don't think it did well, but I don't think it did badly. I think it just it came and went with very little Mhmm. Reaction to it.
JIM:So wanna hear a terrible thing? No. I've not seen
T.C.:that. Oh, you know the scene.
JIM:That's terrible. I've let everyone down. Caleb and and splatter gore Yeah. Are are just spitting with anger right now.
T.C.:Well, you get the gist. Yeah. Abraham Lincoln secretly hunted vampires. Yeah.
JIM:Interestingly, I have a friend who did watch that, and he also watched the, I think, asylum version, which was vampire hunter Abraham Lincoln.
T.C.:There's an asylum version of a movie that already sounds like an asylum film. Yes. That's great.
JIM:And it's apparently better. What?
T.C.:Wow. At
JIM:least at least in this friend's opinion.
T.C.:Okay. Is this friend can this friend be trusted? Okay. Some of the time. Of the time.
T.C.:But Weird West. Okay. Now to to just speak on The Lost Lands, I think I weirdly I like Paul W. S. Anderson because he's a nerd who's committed to his filmmaking style and has succeeded somehow to continue to do that.
T.C.:Mhmm. I don't feel like he ever reaches further than he can. I think the he did seven Resident Evil movies. They trusted him with that franchise. They continued to make money.
T.C.:And unlike one of the people we discussed on this podcast in pre previously that we have a lot of things to say about
JIM:Yeah.
T.C.:Negative mostly, but also, like, whatever. I I don't wanna get on that hate train. It left the station. I didn't have a ticket.
JIM:Hate train, you say. I'm gonna file that away. Oh, no.
T.C.:I think Paul w Sanderson is he does knows exactly what he can do, and he does it. And Mhmm. I I think the first Resident Evil is the best one. I think it's also in in the tier of best comic book or video game adaptations. Even though it does not use any of the characters from the game, he got the spirit of the game as far as I was concerned.
JIM:I the Resident Evil fans I know would not agree
T.C.:with you. They would hate me for it. Yes. In fact, that opinion has been my hot tip.
JIM:They're they're so angry. They're spitting. They're spitting right now.
T.C.:But to to seeing the land the the Lost Lands trailer, it looked really green screen y volume.
JIM:It did. It looked
T.C.:and and that is unfortunate because Paul w Sanderson has tended to film on real sets and have a good mix of practical effects and and the lost lines does not use does not No. It looks like what was the monster hunter one that he did? Yeah. The monster hunter.
JIM:Right? Monster hunter.
T.C.:Yeah. That one also was like, oh, no. You've lost your way, dude. You're just doing the volume and
JIM:It might just it might just be the studios demanding that he cut back on those things and use use those types of special effects. Yeah.
T.C.:But all that said, seeing a weird west, like a cow like, westerns are tough. We've discussed this on the show multiple times.
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:It's a genre that people just can't get on board with anymore, and it takes a special case to, like, get attention. You get your Django Unchained, but that's because Tarantino did it, not because it was a western.
JIM:Django Unchained was southern Yes.
T.C.:You're right. According to the Hateful Eight
JIM:is a western.
T.C.:Yeah. And but, Jim, this is your this is your area. So how do you feel about Caleb's demand here?
JIM:It's a good demand.
T.C.:Yeah.
JIM:The first place I go is is is not a real person. Mhmm. It's Pecos Bill.
T.C.:Ah, yes.
JIM:Doing the the first thought is is a live a live action telling of Pecos Bill's adventures.
T.C.:Yeah. And and for those of you who might not be familiar with Pecos Bill, Pecos Bill is likened to Paul Bunyan and John Henry Irons. He's a he's an American folklore character. He he was raised by wolves or coyotes, So he howls at the moon. He he he lassoed a tornado.
JIM:He he he lassoed a tornado. He killed a panther when when he was just just a baby. He tied a rattlesnake into a knot. Yeah. He didn't he he he what did he do to the the Colorado River?
T.C.:He's he's
JIM:The Rio Grande. I forget which.
T.C.:He he lassoed the Rio Grande.
JIM:He just lassoed everything.
T.C.:He lassoed he straightened it out.
JIM:Oh, that's what it was.
T.C.:Yeah. Made it flow because it was all tied up.
JIM:Yeah. And and I will admit, most of what I know about it is from the Disney cartoon.
T.C.:The Disney cartoon, the which is gonna be probably Melody Time or Fun and Fancy Free, one of the package films of the forties forties, fifties era. He had Widowmaker the Horse Mhmm. Which was very jealous of Pecos Bill getting married and Yep.
JIM:And Boun Bouncer
T.C.:Bouncer the moon. To the moon, which he still howls at to this day. He invented branding
JIM:Oh.
T.C.:And lassoing. Oh. Yeah. He calf roping was invented by Pecos Bill.
JIM:Pecos Bill.
T.C.:Yeah. He was raised by coyotes. Yeah. Yeah. Near the Pecos River.
T.C.:Yeah. Oh, he also rode a mountain lion and used a rattlesnake to lasso. Yeah. As you said. So he yeah.
T.C.:He's an American American folk hero. So you're thinking Pecos Bill is our is our fictional
JIM:That's my that's my first thought. Yeah. Like, that's the character where we would do a a movie about. I don't know how it it wouldn't just be the equivalent of Disney doing a live action version of any of their animated stuff.
T.C.:Well, make it weird. Him like, the things we've discussed, that's that's good. Okay. This is the history of this character. But now is he gonna fight werewolves?
T.C.:Is he gonna fight werecoyotes? Like, all that stuff works for the myth of Pecos Bill, but something like just immediately jump in on this. I would suggest that's all occur that's your opening credits of the movie that explains the legend of Pecos Bill. And now after, how was her name? Pecos Bill's love.
T.C.:I'm gonna it'll come to me.
JIM:It's something something Betty, I think? It's all it's just she
T.C.:was I'm gonna remember it. I'll remember it. After she was bounced to the moon
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:He just went back to the coyotes and howls at the moon. Like, he stopped being a hero. Sloo sloo sloo foot sue.
JIM:Sloo foot sue. There you go. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. I knew it was in there somewhere. Yep.
JIM:You found it.
T.C.:Because they're her what's the thing that women put on their Bustle? Bustle. It was too bouncy. Mhmm. Anyway, after Slough Fitzsoo went into the moon, he went back to the coyotes, and that's where he stayed, howling at the moon.
T.C.:So if all that legend can be done rather swiftly, now the movie can begin and basically drag Pecos Bill out of retirement to to fight some werecoyotes. Is that is that weird enough for you?
JIM:No. No. Because the thing is he's already weird. Mhmm. So it would be a fantastical fantasy western, and that would be a lot of fun.
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:I'm thinking I'm pivoting to something like Wyatt Earp. Ah. Like, imagine retelling tombstone, but the cowboys aren't just the cowboys. They're actually and and in fact, the gang isn't even as big as it seems. It's it's not, right, a a gang of 30 men.
JIM:Mhmm. It's a gang of five. They keep dying. The the reason the town is called Tombstone wasn't just because so do you know the story of why Tombstone is called Tombstone?
T.C.:I I did a book report on Wyatt Earp in the fourth grade and dressed up like him with a big old fake mustache. Nice. But please, why is tombstone called tombstone?
JIM:So the guy who originally owned the silver mine outside the town, he owned two silver mines. And I forget what town they were originally in, but people said that those aren't gonna you're not gonna get anything out of there. They're gonna be the death of you. And so he named one tombstone and the other, I think he named, like, graveyard. Right?
JIM:I I forget what was called.
T.C.:Yeah.
JIM:But they were they were both references to to basically dark jokes to to them not playing out and not not paying out. And it turns out the silver mine outside of Tombstone actually was very lucrative that the the boom town of Tombstone blew up around it.
T.C.:Alright. Okay.
JIM:But in this case Mhmm. It would be because the land is cursed, and the people who get buried there
T.C.:Well, pet cemetery action here.
JIM:Keep coming back. So what was his name? I can't remember the leader of the cowboy's name.
T.C.:In in the story of Tombstone?
JIM:In in history. History. Yeah.
T.C.:Yes. Like, I'm sorry, the gang that he fought in Tombstone?
JIM:The the gang that he fought in tombstone was named was called the cowboys. They wore red sashes.
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:So all the all the characters in the movie tombstone, those were real people.
T.C.:So And Newman Hayes.
JIM:Yeah. Old
T.C.:old man Hayes. Old man old man Clayton. Clinton. Clinton.
JIM:Clinton.
T.C.:Clinton.
JIM:Clinton.
T.C.:Newman Haynes Clinton. Old man was the patriarch of the Clinton family and the de facto leader of the cowboys, a loose group of cattle rustlers, stagecoach robbers, outlaws After old man Clayton was killed in an ambush in 1881, leadership fell to his son, Ike Clayton.
JIM:Ike. That's who I was
T.C.:And Billy Clayton. So I would, yeah, I would say Ike and Billy could be the
JIM:Bill Billy was played by Thomas Hayden Church.
T.C.:Oh, and Johnny Ringo was was Oh, no.
JIM:Ike Clinton was Stephen Lang. I forgot. I didn't know Stephen Lang was in. Powers Booth played Curly Bill Brosius. Curly Bill, that's at least in the movie, he was he was sort of the big the big bad.
T.C.:Mhmm. Well, when you have Powers Booth, you you let him be in charge.
JIM:Yeah. So I think that that that's sort of my first thought is is well, I guess, second thought. The first thought was Pecos Bill. Yeah. But Wyder.
JIM:And and doing something weird with Wyder.
T.C.:Well, some fun things I remember about Wyder that I've carried with me since that fourth grade book report, he was never shot or stabbed.
JIM:Like, he
T.C.:didn't have a scar in his body from any he had no battle wounds his entire life. And so he's the legend was he oh,
JIM:was he bulletproof? Like like the Sure.
T.C.:Like, he had to have been shot once. I mean, he was he went into Tombstone and Dodge City and and did not go he gave up on Deadwood. Actually, that might be fun to if you wanna use tombstone and and that gang as the cowboys and and I like your curse of tombstone, there is something to have deadwood being a maybe that's the sequel movie going to deadwood, and it's called that for a specific reason. But it's just funny that, like, after he cleaned up two of the most violent cities in America, he spent, like, of a month in Deadwood. He was like, I can't fix this.
T.C.:I'm too old for this shit. I'm leaving. So is it the lawman Wyatt Earp and his brothers, they are cleaning up the town and and they come across this this gang that won't die? Are they they undead?
JIM:Yeah. That that's that's my my thought. Or if we want it to be more Lost Land style Mhmm. They're werewolves. And so it doesn't matter if they get shot dead because they didn't get shot dead with a silver bullet.
T.C.:Okay. So then Wyder having to figure this out? Like Mhmm. I or now in Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter, he's been hunting vampires since he was a kid. Like, this is some it's not something he happens upon in the movie.
T.C.:It's something he's been doing.
JIM:So do we wanna suggest that Wyatt has
T.C.:been cleaning up the West?
JIM:I just realized what I've done. What's that? Yeah. I mean, there there are stories that have done this already that have turned that that Wyatt Earp is a demon hunter. Mhmm.
JIM:The show Wynonna Earp
T.C.:Oh, yeah.
JIM:Was about his great great great granddaughter Mhmm. Picking up the mantle that that their family had always done. Mhmm. In that story, the idea was that after Deadwood, he went and settled for a time in Canada. Mhmm.
JIM:Because that's that's where Wynonna Earp takes place. And it's a very fun show. Mhmm. Crap. I forgot that that happened.
JIM:And I I actually think Supernatural might have touched on it as well because I know there was a cult. There was a special demon slaying cult, but I forget who wielded it. I don't remember if if a a famous slaw man did at that time or if it was always a Winchester brother Mhmm. Winchester family weapon.
T.C.:Okay. Well, we Yeah. If if your fear is that we're cleaving too close to something that's already been done and probably done well, we could go back like, let's go look at back up and go look at Pecos Bill again because, you know, he's an American folk hero, there's some there is stuff to to mine there. Like, he like, the digging up the Rio Grande, and and he he lassoed the tornado, like, stuff like that. That being his he's this mythological character who's living off in the wilderness, then something occurs where it's like, there's only one man I know who can take care of this thing.
T.C.:Let's we have to go find Pecos Bill. Maybe. You know?
JIM:So in in my mind and I feel like there is a movie that did this, I can't remember it. What I would wanna do is I'd actually want to gather all of the sort of American folk heroes.
T.C.:Oh, yeah.
JIM:You make like I really I'm having deja vu. Right. So it'd be Pecos, Bill, Paul Bunyan, John Henry, and then maybe a couple others, and then having them go on an on an adventure.
T.C.:An Alex g Yeah. Of of American Focus. We might have even discussed this in some capacity when doing League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Well, okay. Let's let's let's back up.
T.C.:Let's back up. Let's I wanna strike. Let's let's take a moment here. Oh. Oh, wait.
T.C.:Let's go to Deadwood sorry. Deadlands.
JIM:Okay.
T.C.:What is it about Deadlands that you love? Now's your chance to geek out about it again.
JIM:Okay.
T.C.:No. I'm just trying trying to find a place to what do you wanna do? What do you like about that setting that as a setting is fun to do? And then we can find someone to stick in it as opposed to working ourselves from a historical figure backwards, go from the setting and put it historically in.
JIM:I I kinda I'd I've I actually feel like the demand isn't to do a dead land story Well with a historical figure.
T.C.:Well, yeah, it's it's I mean, it's says, with using your love of dead lands and the weird West and the vein of Abraham Lincoln vampire, choose a historical person or fit moment.
JIM:And then make it weird. And make it weird.
T.C.:Well, if making it weird
JIM:means could be done in the but that's the
T.C.:I'm saying if it if making it weird to you mean and us means turning into a Deadlands like story
JIM:Not necessarily.
T.C.:Okay. Okay.
JIM:Or, I mean, that's exactly what we're doing. Right? Like, Wyatt Earp fighting the undead cowboys Mhmm. Or fighting werewolf cowboys Mhmm. Outside or inside tombstone at the OKC Corral, and he has to go down into the tombstone mine to mine some silver to then make his own bullets.
JIM:Mhmm. There's a there's a fun story there.
T.C.:What about okay. You had said creating, a collective. The the the week that the first telegraph message was sent across Mhmm. America was the same week the Pony Express started.
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:And so the Pony Express was racing technology to stay operating. Sure. Like, as as telegraphs and telegrams started going around, the the Pony Express was still out there trying to deliver mail swiftly.
JIM:Yeah.
T.C.:Now the Pony Express had some pretty legendary cowboys amongst them. We we potentially could use that as our team of cowboys that, like, oh, they're just the postmen. They're just the Pony Express, but they're actually out there rooting and tooting, shooting up monsters and and shit.
JIM:Uh-huh.
T.C.:Would was that does that tickle anything for you?
JIM:I it it all tickles. It's all wonderful. I I want to do all of these because we can also do Billy the Kid.
T.C.:Sure. Bill Cody, Wild Bill Hickock were both in the Pony Express. And there was a show that actually fictionalized all of this, starring Josh Prolin as Wild Bill and Stephen Baldwin as Buffalo Bill Cody when they were, like, 20. Was it was, like, a nineties show. And they, in the latter seasons, had Billy the Kid as a kid pre outlaw Uh-huh.
T.C.:Kinda join the fun. But what what what with Billy the Kid, were you what what would you wanna do? Have him be a villain or be a be an anti hero?
JIM:More I probably more of an anti hero type type position or or or even suggest that he was a hero. Mhmm. That the
T.C.:They slammed her.
JIM:The history books. It's the history they didn't know. They they they knew the the the the kid that would shoot a man cold dead, but what they didn't know is is Billy the Kid saved the West from Dracula.
T.C.:I don't know. Do
JIM:Which is a movie, and it's ridiculous.
T.C.:Oh, that's a real thing?
JIM:Billy the Kid versus Dracula.
T.C.:Oh my gosh. Should we, like, lionize a notorious murderer that was Billy the Kid?
JIM:They did in Billy the Kid versus Dracula. Yeah. Oh, god. I forgot I forgot about so when I learned about that movie Mhmm. My my my friend my friend Gene and I were just flipping through the the the channels at the time.
JIM:And so we actually got to sort of the final scene. It's where Dracula is is trying to attack the the girl who's who's asleep in the bed. Mhmm. And Billy comes in the room and shoots his bullets at Dracula. Yeah.
JIM:And Dracula just laughs as the bullets do nothing. And then Billy throws the gun in classic fifties and sixties movie fashion, and it hits Dracula square in the nose and he drops like a sack of potatoes. It was the funniest thing in the world. Because Dracula didn't see it coming. Oh, I got the hiccups now.
T.C.:Oh my god. You are you are really hiccuping. This is for real.
JIM:Oh god. It was so funny. It was the funniest thing. Just laughing one second and It is Dracula of all people.
T.C.:Are you worried about using White Erp if it's too close to
JIM:No.
T.C.:Wynonna Erp?
JIM:No. Okay. I I just I just realized I I had just remembered Mhmm. That it had been used in in one way or another.
T.C.:Creating a super team of gunslinger heroes going against some supernatural force. Mhmm.
JIM:You're like it would
T.C.:be okay. I think that could be fun too. We're basically coming up with some sort of Wild West Avengers and giving them
JIM:Oh, no. I'm sorry. No. I just I was just thinking the Earps.
T.C.:Just the Earps. Okay. I
JIM:The it was the Earps versus it starts with the Earps versus the Cowboys.
T.C.:Oh, I see. Okay. We're going I'm I was expanding my idea.
JIM:You want it to be you
T.C.:want do it. Asking. Like, was is that something but you're saying just take the story of Wyatt Earp in tombstone and zombify it?
JIM:Sort of. Yeah. Okay. Because I also like the idea of building it out in a way that either though either in one whole movie, he goes to all three locations or build a a potentially a trilogy Of because because I I don't I Dodge City. Yeah.
JIM:And Deadwood.
T.C.:And then Deadwood. Was that the order? You did that tombstone and then Dodge City. And then okay. A trilogy of movies.
T.C.:A trilogy of
JIM:Or or another another legend that has been touched on a bunch more in recent history.
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:And it's it's nice to see him get more recognition as Bass Reeves.
T.C.:Oh, yeah. I well, when when I was just asking a moment ago about creating, a super team, Bass Reeves was on my mind already to say, like, Wild Bill, Buffalo Bill Cody, Wyatt Earp, Doc Holliday, Bass Reeves, Matt Masterson
JIM:Sure.
T.C.:Pat Pat Garrett, like Geronimo, Calamity Jane. Like, there's a there's a slew
JIM:Just take all of them.
T.C.:Just well, just like that's our gallery we can pull from. Who do we want in there? Jesse James, Billy the Kidd, like, there's some other notorious figures that we could draw from. But if we're just thinking tombstone and looking like, we could literally watch the movie tombstone and then go, well, that now zombie. That now zombie.
JIM:Pride and Prejudice and zombies.
T.C.:Yeah. Wyatt Earp and Zombies. Yep. Because so there's Virgil, Morgan, James, and Wyatt are the the Earp boys.
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:And they, you know, they moved to the boom town that was Tombstone. Mhmm. He was Wider was deputized.
JIM:I believe, initially, they wanted to get into business.
T.C.:Yeah. They were they were just they were just seeking their fortune. They were they just showed up to work. They were just, hey. Let's let's get our claim, and and let's plot a claim and and and just live here.
T.C.:And then it was so wild that he was deputized Mhmm. That I think Virgil was deputized to. No. His his brother was the marshal and was just working, like, the gambling saloons and whatnot. Then the the cowboys rolled into town and were like, this town's this is our town now.
T.C.:And then and that's when, they started clashing with the Earps. Mhmm. And then the Okay Corelliot. That was, like, the big which isn't as which we would if we're going to introduce the cowboys okay. The herbs come to tombstone, and it seems like everything's normal.
T.C.:We have little hints of something something's rotten in Denmark happening, like little hints of supernaturally type things, or we could go dusk till dawn and just it suddenly happens. But then the cowboys roll in and are like, you know, and the are like, who are these SOBs? Conflict, fight, okay corral is a big shootout, and then that's where the happens where it's like the Okay Corral goes down. They gun down all these men, and then they come back.
JIM:Then they all just stand back up?
T.C.:Something like that? Is that is that
JIM:That was that was the initial thought. Yeah. It'd be something like that. How how does how does that how does that tickle you?
T.C.:I I I think it would be fun.
JIM:Tickling in
T.C.:I think there's a lot of tickling here. The the idea of following history as is for, like, the first fifteen minutes and then suddenly
JIM:Sure.
T.C.:And then now we get to deviate. Like, Dak Holiday isn't even introduced wasn't even introduced into Wyatt Earp's life until he had been like, they weren't friends. I'm trying to think when
JIM:I thought he was there at the Okay Karel.
T.C.:He was, but I'm trying to think how the two of them got connected and became, like because Doc got deputized as well. Mhmm. I'm really tapping into my Wyatt Earp knowledge here. But, yeah, having having the Earps, just telling the story of Wyatt Earps Wyatt Earp up to, like, the and the turn at the at the end of act one is we're fighting a supernatural force. Where where's your head at there?
JIM:You'd so you want the Okay Corral to be the end act act one?
T.C.:The build up to that, kill the cowboys, and then well, they're okay. So after the Okay Corral, the cowboys did kill Virgil
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:The older brother. And then the Earps, like, let like, got a posse going, and they went and killed the people responsible. So they killed Curly Bill and the the the they they killed the bad guys. Right?
JIM:Yeah. The Clintons.
T.C.:Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I'm we could just tell that's the story of tombstone. Where where in the story of tombstone does the supernatural supernatural thing start happening?
T.C.:So that's why I'm saying if we lead up to the okay corral, and that's the the big act one set piece, and now our supernatural movie starts from there. Now we can start fictionalizing everything.
JIM:I kinda wanna get weird.
T.C.:That's the that is the demand you
JIM:over the top weird was Get get weird. Than that. Right? Okay.
T.C.:So even weirder.
JIM:So act so I guess our movie will be if if it's three acts, act one is Tombstone, act two is dodge, act three is Deadwood.
T.C.:Oh, okay. Go on. I'm listening. So the okay corral happens.
JIM:I'm thinking we meet Tombstone. We meet the town of Tombstone. Mhmm. Crap. I've it's a it's a having your having your characters just sort of, like, sweep in and and be the deus ex heroes right away.
JIM:I don't know how
T.C.:that Dodge City was before Tombstone. I'm sorry. Dodge City Dodge City was before Tombstone. I'm so sorry.
JIM:I I Well, throw it all out. This this whole episode is out of order.
T.C.:Because that's where Doc and Wider became friends was in Dodge City.
JIM:In the movie tombstone, they did not meet until They became the the oriental saloon.
T.C.:That's right. A very a very lovely saloon name. No. They were friends in Dodge City in Kansas. And then because Doc Holliday was a gunslinger gambler Yep.
T.C.:That's where Wyder worked and cleaned up the town. And then they when he went to Tombstone, Doc went with him to be like, yeah. I could retire. I can retire in Tombstone. I'm feeling a little coffee right now anyway.
T.C.:It's TB. It's consumption. TC,
JIM:you're making me look like like a terrible western fan.
T.C.:That's what I told you. I did a book report on Wyatt Earp when I was 10 years old. I remember I I had a mustache. I had a mustache Wow. In it when I was 10.
JIM:When you were 10.
T.C.:Yeah. That's real. I grew it. I loved Wyatt Earp so much I forced a mustache to grow on my upper lip at 10 years old.
JIM:That's that's impressive. That's very impressive.
T.C.:Yeehaw. I'm sorry to ruin
JIM:your No. No. That's fine. It actually the the escalation will work better this way. I'm I have less of an idea of what to do in Dodge.
JIM:I was actually vamping a bit with tombstone, and I was gonna be like, I don't know. I'll figure something out. Basically, what I wanted what I wanted to do with tombstone so may maybe we can fill in we can backfill here.
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:With in Tombstone, the Okay Corral Mhmm. Is not the quick gunfight between five lawmen
T.C.:Yeah.
JIM:And even 10 gang gang members. Mhmm. Instead, it was a town siege, and Wyatt Earp and the the good folk of Tombstone Mhmm. Had to hold off waves of the undead, a la army of darkness. Yeah.
JIM:They're they're at the only place they could do it was there in the center of town at the Okay Corral.
T.C.:Is that city still part of the story or do they Yeah.
JIM:That's that that is now where it will start. That that will be first act. And the the Clues and or MacGuffins they get there
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:Are going to send them to tombstone. Right. And then from tombstone, after they take out the cowboys, they're gonna find out who's your Sauron. Our Sauron is in Deadwood.
T.C.:Okay.
JIM:That's why it's called Deadwood.
T.C.:Yes. Okay. Now I like what you're doing here. So with with Dodge City okay. This will work.
T.C.:So I think I think you'll like this. So Dodge City was Matt Masterson was a sheriff there. I I remembered his name. I don't remember where where he fit into the lore. When Wyatt Earp arrived, they he marshalized him to enforce how rowdy like, being an enforcer for it doesn't for how rowdy the the town was.
T.C.:Mhmm. And then Doc Holliday showed up, and I should just look this up instead of
JIM:trying to read through it.
T.C.:There was a showdown there was nearly a showdown in town that that was stopped by the gunfight was ended before Bolt was fired by Weidarb. He stopped the the battle from happening. And then Dodge City was settled after that. The mayor blah blah blah blah blah. So Dodge City doesn't have as dynamic of a story as Tombstone does.
JIM:What do you think about having the weirdness be more in the open?
T.C.:Okay. Go ahead.
JIM:So think of something no. I I don't wanna I don't wanna equate it to that. That that I think throws off too much. So what if we open we open on Dodge City, and we're we're panning through town. We're meeting the town.
JIM:Right? And it seems it seems like a rowdy because cattle it was a rowdy cattle town.
T.C.:Mhmm. Mhmm.
JIM:Only as we as we, like, pass things like we pass the saloon and a couple people get in a fight. Mhmm. Like all sorts of stuff. There's a piano player and and poker's happening and people are drinking, having a good time. And then at the bar, two guys get to tussling and one of them like, one one guy one guy is like they they they start getting into a fight.
JIM:Mhmm. And one guy tries to draw down on the other and the other, like, quickly morphs, like, into whether it's a werewolf or a bear or something.
T.C.:Yeah. A bear.
JIM:And and, like, just, like, bites the guy's head. Yeah. Whips him around a little, drops him in the bar. He's like, That's enough of that. And the guy turns back normal.
JIM:Yeah. And we and the camera just moves on.
T.C.:It's Every day.
JIM:Just establish that weirdness is just a thing in this world.
T.C.:Okay. Okay.
JIM:What do you think about something like that?
T.C.:Yeah. I mean, if we're gonna get right into the the weird of it, hell yeah. I I mean, it's not it there won't be any sudden surprise of weirdness, so you do lose that. But what do you feel is gained by we're just gonna be weird from the beginning?
JIM:I like weirdness.
T.C.:Yeah. I get that. But,
JIM:like Like I don't know what what's gained
T.C.:I I like where your head's at. Let's let me let me play with that.
JIM:Sure.
T.C.:If Dodge City seems perfectly normal and Wyatt proves his ability as as a lawman, as a hero to that town with very little strangeness Mhmm. Then when we get to Tombstone, seems to be a similar rowdiness that is then revealed to be zombie, werewolf, whatever we want it to be. Like, this this sudden escalation of what is this? Mhmm. Then when you get to Deadwood, that is just straight up open bare people.
T.C.:Like, that's this like, each so you go from a a pretty mundane Wild West world to one that reveals itself to be super strange to lead me to your Mordor, and and Deadwood is the reason Deadwood is is the one town that couldn't be cleaned up is because there's no hiding the the fantastical there. So you
JIM:Okay. Yeah. I can get on board with that, I think.
T.C.:But then then that begs the question of does our hero lose in this scenario? Because in history, Wider couldn't clean up dead wood.
JIM:He's no.
T.C.:Not to jump to the end here, but just just thinking about what we're doing with the story here.
JIM:My thought is I wanted to plant a thing. Like, actually, invoking Lord of the Rings is kind of what I wanted to do. So Sauron, just to for for the shorthand, Sauron lives in Deadwood. Yeah. So even after Wyatt Earp eventually gets there and eliminates Sauron, that doesn't mean that suddenly Mordor is gonna be growing daisies and and being a bed of roses.
JIM:Mhmm. Mhmm. So right. So, basically, what we do is Wyattarp doesn't leave Deadwood because he failed to clean it up. He leaves Deadwood because he took out the the dark lord.
T.C.:Yeah.
JIM:He And Deadwood Yeah. Deadwood will remain the the the dark cursed place it is.
T.C.:Yeah. Maybe even going so far as some sort of may maybe how about this? What if there's a veil around Deadwood that people can't get into? And if they do, that like, if it is an open world of weird Uh-huh. But it is the the reputation of it keeps people away, so everyone can be openly weird like, openly themselves there.
T.C.:The the the horribleness can just exist because no one's coming here, anyone who does isn't gonna live
JIM:Yeah.
T.C.:Long enough to tell the tale about it. So it is this fabled, awful city, and everything you've heard isn't true. It's worse than you've heard. And so when Widerp destroys the the leader of the town Kills the devil. Kills the devil.
T.C.:He can't destroy the town. So then it's like, I will just curse this town to to exist in this pocket, and now no one can come in and no one can come out. If we we're like, as far as a
JIM:I thought you were gonna say he the the the veil is dropped.
T.C.:Well, that that's an alternative way to go is that if if to to unleash hell on the world would be sort of the asking for a cliffhanger of an ending. It's like I've defeated Deadwood. I've defeated the monsters in Deadwood, but now what if I unleashed on this world?
JIM:Oh, I maybe I misunderstood what you meant by veil then. I didn't think it was keeping them in.
T.C.:Oh, I I'm I'm sort of going off the cuff, obviously. I'm just Yeah. Rambling. But one of my my suggestion was that the way this ends is he contains them with the veil is more of just this, like, fog.
JIM:No longer a wereman. You're werewolf bear thing.
T.C.:No. No.
JIM:They You're just a man.
T.C.:No. No. No. They can keep all their weirdness. They just can't leave.
T.C.:The veil is like a fog that surrounds the mountains that lead to Deadwood. And and once you pass through there, you're you're entering a world of hurt a world of hurt. Sure. So you're you had suggested that in defeating tombs in tombstone to be like, who's your man? Like, who who's your daddy and what does he do?
T.C.:Yeah. That's like, you can find you can find my master in Deadwood. Good luck. As he Yeah. As he crumbles to dust.
T.C.:Or
JIM:In the shadow of devil's Tower. Deadwood. And you're dead. I don't know if you're actually close enough You would be dead if you went there. I don't I don't know if they're close enough to each other for that to be the case, but
T.C.:We're doing a movie about wider punting monsters. We put the Devil's Tower wherever we want.
JIM:That's true.
T.C.:Use the use the the team America world police philosophy. I was like, yeah. It's Paris. Arctotrium, Fightful Tower, Baguette. It's all in one place.
T.C.:So I but, again, I I will default to your
JIM:You don't have to do it. You no. No. You you are you are as much of a writer on this show as I am. Yeah.
JIM:I think I think that works.
T.C.:Is the is the okay. So if we're breaking up this into three act structure, hitting the three cities, our Dodge City, is that a fairly short twenty fifteen minutes to introduce our characters and get them to tombstone, and then a good portion of the movie exists there where we get up to the okay corral. And and you said it's more of a siege. Right? That's what you said.
JIM:That's what I'm I'm at. Right? Especially if especially if we set it up so that whatever Erp does in Dodge Mhmm. Agents scatter immediately, so Tombstone already knows he's coming.
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:So hit whatever trick he does in Dodge won't work again.
T.C.:Won't work again. I like that. Imagining him in in a saloon and feeling like, I'm just here. I'm not I'm not looking to be a lawman. I just wanna settle down my family and get get in a little tussle and punching punching the wrong guy.
T.C.:It was like, oh, you have no idea what this isn't Dodge City anymore.
JIM:Maybe. I'm I'm imagining we we wouldn't touch too much on the whole oh, we're we we wouldn't touch on the historical nature of we're trying to settle down or anything like that. Like, we're pretty much going in with the Earps are on a quest to defeat this evil.
T.C.:Okay. Yeah. We they're is it their cover that they're there? Like, we're just simple
JIM:we're just
T.C.:simple farmers. Bang.
JIM:Bang. Yeah. Oh, is there a is there an opening for for lawman, these parts?
T.C.:What is the the monsters well, do you wanna decide what type of monsters these are? And also then then that begs the question of, like, what is their okay. Could the monsters be some sort of oh, okay. Sorry. Okay.
T.C.:Two ideas happened at once. The monsters were are not native to America, but they when they got here a couple hundred years ago and started slowly spreading their way through
JIM:One hundred.
T.C.:A hundred hundred years ago. Through through Well, no.
JIM:I I guess I know I know what you mean. They're they're they're colonizers, like all like all the white people. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. They're they have been infecting and and spreading their their evil. They've they've left Europe behind to come to America and and claim a new land and, you know, get get their claws into it. So then they sort of had a head start on claiming the West. Deadwood's gonna be the furthest West here, I mean, if at least in these three towns.
T.C.:Because that city's in Kansas, Tombstone's in Texas.
JIM:Tombstone's in Arizona.
T.C.:Oh, Tombstone's in Arizona. I I didn't write that in my book report. And then Deadwood's in Colorado.
JIM:That was South Dakota. It doesn't.
T.C.:That's alright. I'll Google it.
JIM:It's in the Dakota territories.
T.C.:It's in Dakota territory. South Dakota. South Dakota. Everyone calm down. It's in South Dakota.
T.C.:Alright? Stop yelling at us. Jesus. We're doing our best. I'm trying to remember stuff from when I was 10 years old.
T.C.:That was twenty years ago.
JIM:Yeah. Me too. Okay.
T.C.:So, yeah, so these creatures, whatever they might be, vampires, werewolves, some undead nightmare. I just remember
JIM:Traditionally, it's usually demons. Right? There's a lot of biblical supernatural supernatural bible stuff Okay. Tied to the Wild West. We don't have to do that.
JIM:I kinda don't want to do
T.C.:that Great.
JIM:Because it's kind of expected.
T.C.:Yeah. Have them be some sort of a mortal monster. If there's something that you have in your head that it could be, cool. They have been infecting the the country, and now now the IRPs are working like, did do they know about these things before Dodge City even, or did they discover them in Dodge City?
JIM:Well, that's why I was gonna have them have the the weird monsters be there already Mhmm. Was they were gonna show up. They they're basically they're questing knights. Yeah. And they they're they're here to
T.C.:That's a good way.
JIM:To destroy Oh. The evil.
T.C.:They could even be descendants of knights.
JIM:They could be.
T.C.:We're fictionalized in everything here. They they could be
JIM:They don't forget the the face of their father.
T.C.:Yeah. That's right.
JIM:That's a reference to the Stephen King's dark tower for for those who didn't get that.
T.C.:But for those who did, well done. Well, I don't know why we both leaned in
JIM:to speak gotta gotta lean
T.C.:speaking more closely.
JIM:Lean in the audience. They they know you're talking specifically to them. When we're not here, we're up here and we're just talking to each other. Yeah.
T.C.:But we're down here, we're talking.
JIM:No. Yeah. We're talking to
T.C.:you. Focus. I see what you say. I see what you're saying about the suggest the the that the weird is out there. The monsters exist.
T.C.:They're in the open, and they must be destroyed. And the Earps are the men who are doing that. In not to draw too heavily from Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, but that was a secret life that he
JIM:was living. It was. I'm I'm not doing yeah. I'm I the the weird I'm going for isn't secret. Yeah.
JIM:It's just weird.
T.C.:Okay. So if this is a
JIM:If we want to do secret, yes. What what I think Dodge should have near near to none of that. Mhmm. And it's when they get to tombstone, the cowboys try to corner them there at the okay corral, and it's a huge siege. It's not just, oh, they took out sixteen sixteen cowboys that Yeah.
JIM:No. Like like or or maybe it was, but they just kept not dying. And and it and it really, I'm just kinda following. I I don't I'm not meaning to. I'm just following Lord of the Rings.
T.C.:That's okay too. That's okay too. That's fine. Steal steal like an artist, steal from the best. I wanna do this.
T.C.:I I don't wanna start in Dodge City. I want Dodge City to have happened. They have they have left Dodge City. Tombstone is where our movie is gonna start. They already they already did Dodge City, and they are coming into Tombstone similar to Tombstone the movie.
T.C.:Like, we don't we're they've are that's part of their history. That's part of the
JIM:Mhmm. Okay.
T.C.:Okay. And so when we we can get to Tombstone and they're letting the audience see hints of of strange things, but not not a bare man immediately. Just something's like some things are a little off. This is hard because people know the movie they're coming to see. So it's we you can't it's like Red Hulk isn't all good advertising.
T.C.:You know I mean? Yeah. But let's just for for the sake of of telling a tale, however we wanna tell it, Dodge City has occurred. The Erps are coming in. We're just we are just simple men.
T.C.:Yeah. We were lawmen back there. We cleaned up Dodge City. We're here. And then the the cowboys are are being scoundrels.
T.C.:There's something off about them. And when they finally confront Wyatt Earp, of all the things I'm gonna reference, Scott Pilgrim versus the world. In the comic book, the first fight that's picked with Scott, there's just one word bubble. It's like, why would he pick a fight with Scott? Doesn't he know that Scott Pilgrim is the greatest fighter in the world?
T.C.:Like, it's just it's just this info drop that happens out of nowhere. It's like, wait. What? And then, the fight, and then that happens. To have the first confrontation with Wyderp happen in this first fifteen minutes or so, it's like, oh, you don't you don't know who Wyderp is?
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. You're the you're the lawman. It's like, no. No.
T.C.:He has killed more vampires, werewolves, and mummies than any man in America. Something like that. Like, that the that then the weird can kick off. Like, he's not just some guy who just found out about, like, oh, no. I'm sorry.
T.C.:I I guess my persona preceded me. I'm I'm not a a a simple lawman cowpoke. I actually know what the hell I'm doing. Could could I don't know. Does that entice you at all?
T.C.:Am I I don't know. You're making a face, so I can't can everyone hear the face the face that Jim is making right now?
JIM:Face is audible.
T.C.:Your face is audible. He's scrutinizing
JIM:Why my do you wanna do that?
T.C.:Get to your weird faster and and and have our characters be, I don't know, cooler. Like, I I don't know. I'm I'm really just throwing spaghetti everywhere right now.
JIM:Okay. Yeah. What what don't you like about about starting in Dodge?
T.C.:I was just trying to help you get to the weird stuff sooner.
JIM:Oh.
T.C.:Yeah. We we can we can start it, and we can do a three chapter story here. And and are you considering Dodge the Shire in this scenario?
JIM:I would I I keep thinking prancing pony. Yeah. But sort of or or even what was that? The the the the mountain Mountain Top. I've I forgot what that was called.
JIM:Weathertop. Weathertop. Yeah. Sort sort of that. Mhmm.
JIM:It's just the fellowship. I was thinking it's the fellowship. Mhmm. Tombstone is two towers. Mhmm.
JIM:And
T.C.:Return the king.
JIM:Return of the king is is deadwood.
T.C.:Yeah. Well, I'm okay. Then let's let's let's look at that structure. Mhmm. And and now let's insert wider into it and whatever weirdness you wanna do.
T.C.:But go ahead and take a breath. I'm gonna throw it to a break right here so we can rally and come back to this. Okay. And see if we can somehow take wider in the weird west and lay it on top of Lord of the Rings and see what happens. Sure.
T.C.:Okay. We'll be right back after these messages from six five. Okay. Here we go. We are back with Weird Wyatt Earp.
T.C.:Okay. So we we took a little little company break there to refresh our drinks and alright. How are we feeling, Jim? While you sit there contemplating life and all of it's weird news. I did remember where we once before had a character going across the West meeting people, it was I think it was in our it was a guy who kept resetting and he kept Oh, yeah.
JIM:Yeah. I forgot about that.
T.C.:Yeah. Or he kept trying to, like,
JIM:get a A million ways to die the ways to
T.C.:die in the West. Yes. There it is. Yeah. That thank you.
T.C.:Yes. That was the Yeah. It was the million ways to die the West where he was like, okay. I'm gonna learn how to do this from Pecos or from Wild Bill. I'm gonna learn how to gamble from him.
T.C.:I'm gonna learn how to wrangle Cal from Buffalo Bill Cody. Yeah.
JIM:Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. There it is. A million ways down the list. But okay. So I think, structurally speaking, to introduce our characters in Dodge City and show them for the characters that they are Wyatt being our leader of this of this family, and and having him put in the kibosh on whatever's going on there, moving him to tombstone, and then that's when things go go for the strange when the tomb the cowboys prove to be some sort of immortal monsters, and then heading to Deadwood to defeat their being that they're the leader of this.
T.C.:And I do wanna put it on record that I that I am I verified the things that I could remember about Earp from from stretching through a memory. Deadwood is myth. There is no actual information about whether or not Wyatt Earp went to Deadwood. There's nothing that says he did. There's nothing that said he didn't.
T.C.:It's all hearsay because he retired in California and Alaska. California, Alaska, somewhere there. But all that said, going from Dodge City, Tombstone, things get weird, go to Deadwood and face the monsters head on. That could work. However, you've had some time a couple minutes to think here as well.
T.C.:Where where are you at with this with weird wider? Are we are we throwing her up out the window, or are we No.
JIM:We're not throwing them out the window. We're we're still going with it. I'm thinking I still want I I still think Dodge should be the the opening the opening act.
T.C.:Yes.
JIM:Yeah. And he can show up already on a mission.
T.C.:Mhmm. Hunting monsters?
JIM:Yes. Great. They they don't need to be filling the town, but I wanna show that the town is rowdy and has maybe a few weird things going on. Mhmm. Part of that is because if we do want him to befriend Doc Holliday here, I kinda want doc holiday to be a revenant, to be to be undead.
JIM:Oh, okay. Cool. So so doc holiday doc holiday is already one of these these cursed men, but he's he he's like Benjin Stark. Right? So he's he's he has the curse, but he's using it to fight the evil.
T.C.:He's he's returned from the dead. He he's he's he's a revenant's return after a long like, they've been
JIM:It I it's just a term. There there there doesn't have to be specific rules for it. Right.
T.C.:Revenant just means return in French, whatever it's like. Yeah. But no. Okay. So doc okay.
T.C.:Keep continue. I'm I'm
JIM:here. Yeah. I'm thinking we do something like cursed silver and or gold Mhmm. Is is being spread. Mhmm.
JIM:That that is turning people into monsters.
T.C.:Okay.
JIM:And the Earps show up to basically find the source of it and stop
T.C.:it. Mhmm.
JIM:And they find someone who is spreading it about town. Probably and it in in this like, when they get it, we see that they sort of become hypnotized. Mhmm. And he's whoever this is is kind of brainwashing them to be his followers, and that can be the gang leader that the mayor is like, you need to get out of town. Yeah.
JIM:And Wyatt Earp and his brothers coming to town and may like like, maybe the the this this evil mind controller, like, starts summoning all the people he's he's convinced with their with their gold.
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:And Hypnotizing them with gold. And it looks like this big battle or slaughter or whatever is about to happen. Maybe it is it's even a slaughter. Like, he's like, you can't stop me. I've I've taken the town hostage.
JIM:And then it's literally he's about to turn everyone who's brainwashed, who's mind controlled on the the innocence of the town. Mhmm. And Earp does something like you probably wouldn't get close enough just slap it out of his hands. But so maybe he just, like maybe he shoots or Doc Holliday helps him shoot the the the chest, the small the small chest of coins out out of this guy's hands, or or maybe he has an amulet that it shatters and the the magic is dispelled. Mhmm.
JIM:And if you're like, oh, and so that's why a war didn't actually break out. Yeah. But in so doing, right, it's like, tell me who your master is. Mhmm.
T.C.:Well, that's
JIM:Not quite because because I want I he he needs to then be sent to tombstone.
T.C.:Yeah. Okay. Keep going. I'm I have I have a I have a notion here to give this a specific tone and style, but we'll I'll get to that in a second.
JIM:Okay. Crap.
T.C.:Well, I'm great. I took the one out of your sales.
JIM:So So we get that right away. Right? We we we can get to the action pretty much right away. Yeah. What we don't have I realized we didn't had have I put a little thought a little bit thought there, and that's where this comes in.
JIM:On traveling between Dodge and Tombstone, so however we get sent to Tombstone, on that trip, we have a flashback.
T.C.:Mhmm. Mhmm.
JIM:We have a flashback to the Earp brothers back in Illinois. Mhmm.
T.C.:Born and raised in Modmouth, Illinois?
JIM:Or or maybe because 1848. You also said Missouri that they were in Missouri for some time. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, they have they initially discover this this cursed gold Mhmm.
JIM:Or silver. Yeah. Yeah. And and so basically basically through flashback, we can show their the the the the call to action, the the the the the decision to become the hero.
T.C.:What about like a gold silver mix? Like, it's these it's these tokens that are gold and silver. And and Sure. Just to make them that much more easily spotted, easily like, these are special coins. They don't they don't just look like gold doubloons or gold coins.
T.C.:There's, a a swirl of silver and gold together.
JIM:Sure.
T.C.:Yeah. So see yeah. Going back in time, seeing them as young men, even, like, teenagers
JIM:Sure.
T.C.:And getting their first, like, this this is this is our destiny. This is what we're gonna do. Do you think that the monsters within this world that they're gonna face are all one type of monster or is or do you like the idea that this is a world with multiple types of monsters? Multiple. Okay.
JIM:I also don't I I want them I I would want them to be different types of monsters, but I don't want it to be where there's like taxonomy. Like, that is a vampire. We must use garlic. And that is a werewolf. We must use Like, I just want them to be either undead Mhmm.
JIM:Or crazy monsters.
T.C.:I I think so this did you see or read doctor Sleep, which is the sequence of the shining
JIM:I it.
T.C.:Yeah. So they are not vampires in doctor Sleep. They are cannibalistic predators that are that are nomadic, they're immortal, that they have psychic abilities, that they have they have an evil version of the shine of the shining.
JIM:I mean, they're vampires.
T.C.:They're vampires, but they're not killed by
JIM:By sunlight.
T.C.:By sunlight. They're not being killed, like, hurt by crosses.
JIM:Yeah. They're they're they're a particular different type of monster.
T.C.:Right. And so do you say, let's not use vampire, kill with silver, and all that. I agree. I want to create some sort of creature that is likened to, but not, not specifically that. So like the the the true knot in in, doctor sleep, you could call them vampires, but they don't follow any of the the traditional folklore rules of, oh, silver and cross legged.
T.C.:Sure. In a world with multiple types of monsters, that that just gives us an opportunity, especially when we get to Deadwood to experience all types. That that opens up the the floodgates of anything we wanna put in there, can put in there.
JIM:Mhmm. It ruins the through so initially, the idea of those the the cursed money was supposed to be the through line that they follow, like, follow the money.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
JIM:But, actually, I kinda like the idea of the the mind controller rather than calling him a sorcerer or something like that. Mhmm. He's a snake oil salesman. Yeah. So he was selling elixirs.
T.C.:So follow the elixir to the next town?
JIM:Well, but then then we'd have I don't what I'm I don't want to have to follow the same MacGuffin each each way each time.
T.C.:So after more or less not more. They clean up Dodge. Yeah. Get the hell out of Dodge, people. Gunsmoke will be set here.
T.C.:It'll be great. The TV show. Whatever. It's fine. So they what moves them from Dodge to tombstone?
JIM:Oh, no. Crap. Okay. I wanna do a little more than just that. And I want there to be a fight.
JIM:I know you said
T.C.:that No. No. Fight it up. Fight it up.
JIM:Up. So the more it can be this guy with with mind control Mhmm. Elixir, I think that there are other bad guys here Mhmm. That allows us to to show that eventually show that doc Holiday is undead because he gets he gets shot dead, like, three different times. We can have the the mind control thing.
JIM:Mhmm. We we we can have a few different guys. I like the idea of then utilizing it's cheesy, but say using the phrase, get the hell out of Dodge. Yeah. Yeah.
JIM:Right. That normally means we need to quickly out of Dodge, but instead
T.C.:Get the hell out of Dodge.
JIM:Oh. Chased the hell out of Dodge.
T.C.:No. I I love it, and I just thought of something. The reason so in Dodge City, the the gunfight with no bullets fired that Wyatt Earp
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:Wanted, he didn't not fight. He just utilized pistol whipping. Like, he beat the shit out of people without firing his gun, but he used his gun. And I'm just imagining a an action sequence of him just, like, I don't even need to fire a bullet and use as a sons of bitches and just starts beating people like John Wick, but, like, not firing. You know what mean?
T.C.:Just, like Sure. Yeah. Making quick work of these guys. Yeah. Is Matthew Vaughn available to direct this?
T.C.:Yes. Yes. So I okay. So I I like what we're doing here, but how do we get to tombstone? Because tombstone's gonna be I like what we're doing in dodge here.
T.C.:This is great. Get get the hell out of dodge is
JIM:Yeah.
T.C.:Pretty fun.
JIM:But by having more bad guys as the hell is getting out of dodge Yeah. It's running to the four corners. Right? So I imagine the either the one they decide to chase or slash the one that got away that thus, they have to chase them Mhmm. Or just the lead that they get leads back to tombstone.
T.C.:Mhmm. With with a a harbinger telling people, like, the the IRPs are coming. Sure. And then if they come into town trying to put up their their front of, like, hey. Let's you know, same same thing we did every time.
T.C.:We just roll into town like we're simple farmers. We just aren't not here for any trouble. Ah, but our reputation's gonna proceed us. No. We took care of that.
T.C.:Like, they think they're gonna come in and be the just Sure. Normies again.
JIM:And and and that trip is where we get the flashback.
T.C.:But yes. And then when they get to Tombstone, very quickly falls apart because it's like the the forerunner got there to be like, the are coming.
JIM:Mhmm. And very quickly, the the cowboys, a a small army of the undead. Oh. Like, these these ones I see be like, the last town was a bunch of bunch of weirdos
T.C.:Yes.
JIM:Who exhibit strange abilities
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:But are not themselves strange.
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:And then here in tombstone, it's a slew of undead.
T.C.:Yeah.
JIM:Right? Yes.
T.C.:I like
JIM:And and so the reason they can go there, the reason they chase the reason the the elixir. Mhmm. They they get the elixir guy, and and they're like, where'd you get this elixir? He's all like, I got it I got it in a in a in a strange well outside of tombstone. Mhmm.
JIM:And it's the same stuff that is reanimating the the cowboys.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Like, that that is their that's what they're juicing on. That's their venom. That's their yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. Here's a suggestion. They know one that got away and fled to Tomb stone, and they're they're the Erps are coming in town to get that guy. And in confronting the one that that straggler got away, that straggler is the one who went to the cowboys specifically. The Erps are after me.
T.C.:They just killed us all in Dodge. It's like, well, we'll take care of it, friendo. So that the Erps think they're just just coming to town to get the loose end, not realizing they're walking into a much bigger fight than they had anticipated. So they're like, hey. We're here for Joe Schmo over here.
T.C.:And it's like, no. I don't think you know what town you're in. Oh, who are you? The Cowboys.
JIM:My only so what what I'm trying to what I'm trying to avoid that I feel like this leans into Mhmm. I'm trying to avoid it being episodic.
T.C.:Oh, okay. I see. That's that's fair. That's fair. And and I am kinda pushing it that way.
T.C.:Mhmm. So to tie it for me differently then. So connect me to tombstone. The cowboys, how connected are they to Dodge City then?
JIM:To well, I guess only mildly. Right. I I I I I haven't committed I haven't committed to to the MacGuffin to the through line yet. Mhmm. Right?
JIM:Originally, it was the cursed money. Mhmm. So the cursed money from Dodge like, oh, we got it from tombstone. It's being dug up there. And then they go there and it's like, oh, it's it's not only here.
JIM:Mhmm. Our true our true master
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:Is is in Deadwood.
T.C.:Is in Deadwood.
JIM:The the the the true cursed coin. Mhmm. We we merely mix it in with the the the silver here for, you know, spice. I I I know. For for to be determined.
JIM:Mhmm. Mhmm. Not great, but that that was the thought. The other the the second thought being the mind control elixir comes from here. Because and then ultimately, why does it come from here?
JIM:I don't know. Well, because having Then we need a different McGuffin to go from tombstone to dead To
T.C.:dead to deadwood. Yeah.
JIM:Which is still kind of episodic. I don't have I don't really have a through line item.
T.C.:Yeah. So I'm sorry.
JIM:No. Don't apologize for that. I'm sorry.
T.C.:You should you should apologize. Okay. Following like, cleaning up Dodge and then moving to Tombstone, it could be following the stragglers that they know escaped that way. It could be following the money. Like, especially if they realize the the markers, the tokens that they've been following have infected.
T.C.:Like, where where the oh, I mean, hell, it's a gambling saloon in Dodge City, and they opened up a gambling saloon in Tombstone.
JIM:Sure.
T.C.:Like, that's what Widerop opened was a saloon with gambling in it. So if if following the money really is the case, anytime those coins are collected en masse, that's when
JIM:So Swearingen are a villain?
T.C.:Yeah. I mean, he's not a real yeah. He was a real person. Was a real person. We'll see how much we wanna actually touch Deadwood in in the capacity of the lore that exists in the HBO series, which is a very good series.
T.C.:But having anytime the amassing of these tokens exists in a city, that's when the city is truly infected by the
JIM:Gambling. The the real
T.C.:real sin. Never mind. Gambling's not a problem. I I don't wanna I don't wanna message it like I'm saying gambling's bad. Whoring's bad.
T.C.:That's the that's the real but I'm gonna you all need Jesus. Have you all accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Lord? Bang.
JIM:We're fine with odds, not with sex.
T.C.:Going through the whole of tombstone to just say, like, where what's the source of this? One way we could do this to to link the to create the path they have to follow is if one of the ERT boys is essentially the the brains or the the researcher, the one who is, like, mapping out their quest
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:And saying, like, the next place we have to go is here. I've gotten enough information to go here. I got enough information to go here. He's the one following the trail. If there's, like you know what mean?
T.C.:Like, if there's an e an an egon of the group who's like, I've done all the mathematics on this, and we now know through
JIM:Well
T.C.:beating the shit out of these guys that Deadwood is the final destination.
JIM:Maybe. I also think Wyatt and Doc Holliday are the only ones who make it out of tombstone.
T.C.:Yeah. That is true. Yeah. Then it's Yeah.
JIM:As far as as far as going to Deadwood, either we get an info dump through them defeating the cowboys Mhmm. Or probably even I don't know if it's even better, but the idea of the the vendetta ride Mhmm. Going up to Deadwood. Going to Deadwood. Yeah.
T.C.:That's not
JIM:bad. That's where the remaining undead cowboys are fleeing to.
T.C.:To their, like, their Fortress City Yeah. Behind this veil that keeps people from going in or ever coming out.
JIM:Sure.
T.C.:So then it's yeah. Because then it's wide open Doc Holiday for our finale. Like, they're coming in. It's just the two of them. Doc is already he's, yeah.
T.C.:Okay. Starting to form form a good finale here.
JIM:And now we can go really off the beaten path. What do you think about Deadwood being like, it's a city ringed in dead trees.
T.C.:Mhmm. Mhmm.
JIM:Deadwoods. It's it's a it is it is essentially like a like like a hellish town on earth.
T.C.:Yeah. It's some sort of hellmouth. Like, it
JIM:it No. That doesn't do much for them making any allies there. Right? Like, we can't really get Seth it I think it'd be harder to incorporate, like, Seth Bullock.
T.C.:Mhmm. Mhmm.
JIM:Although I don't think he was there. Well, I I don't know when he would well, Wyatt Earp never went to
T.C.:allegedly. Yeah. Yeah. If you know, if the if the show's legend if the legend has been put into the show, the show has told us that, yeah, Bullock and Wyder met. Mhmm.
T.C.:Like, I don't think it's smart of us to use Deadwood the show as our true north of how to tell the story of Deadwood. I think once we
JIM:Well, no. We're not I'm I'm merely referencing it because it used all historical characters. True. Yeah. So Seth Bullock was a real person.
JIM:Mhmm. Calamity Jane
T.C.:Who was there.
JIM:Real person. Yeah. I would I would I feel like it would be a sin to reference Deadwood and not bring up Wild Bill Hickok.
T.C.:Well, since we've already brought one person back from the dead, it would be cool to have Wild Bill come back and help him out. Like, Doc Holliday could even suggest, I have a friend who I know who can help us out very kindly.
JIM:So okay. So they
T.C.:not be so much interested, but I think we can find we can dig
JIM:up We're some we're definitely gonna mess with history as in, like, so what this all Wild Bill died before the okay.
T.C.:Yeah. Wild Bill died in the in in Deadwood, and now as Doc and Wyatt are rolling into town, like, we're gonna have a hard time finding allies here. Well, I know I know a man. I could dig up a friend or two. And then Wild Bill is he he doesn't have he's not a reverence reverence revenant.
T.C.:He could be some other sort of supernatural thing that can be an additional ally for them to fight fight alongside in the end. We can't spend too much time with him No. Getting the posse because Yeah. We're moving to the third act. And I'm willing to suggest maybe we introduce a character in the third act, or if we wanna have them cross paths in Dodge City with another hunter, like, if say, Calamity Chain is another Well, Wild.
T.C.:So I
JIM:don't know if they crossed paths in Dodge. I do know that Wild Bill had, he himself was a lawman across the
T.C.:West Sure.
JIM:At different times as well. Don't I'm not gonna look it up.
T.C.:What what are you curious about?
JIM:If Wild Bill and Wyatt Earp had ever crossed
T.C.:paths Well, I will I will I'll use Google
JIM:Or if or if Wild Bill was even a a lawman anywhere near Dodge at any point.
T.C.:But having him I like the idea of raising him from the dead in some capacity to have him fight alongside him. But I I was saying in Dodge City or at some point crossing paths with Annie Oakley or not Annie Oakley. Calamity Jane as she's some sort of traveling fighter as well so that she can come back in the third act to be another ally.
JIM:Sure. Well, but that's what I was gonna say. If if Wild Bill was alarming at some point, we can just we can we could have a posse come together in that first act. And then I'm like, we sure did get the hell out of Dodge. Bye.
JIM:You know? We're kinda or or they oh, or they could even, like, if we have them all team up there Mhmm. And then the the remaining bad guys scatter to the the the four wins Yeah. Then each group could be like, we're gonna chase them. We're gonna chase them.
JIM:Mhmm. And that's why Wyatt and Holliday choose Tombstone because Hick Hickok and Jane chose the guy who that was going toward Deadwood.
T.C.:Well Oh,
JIM:I I like I mean Yeah. We're definitely we're definitely not following actual history. We're not following
T.C.:You're telling me there weren't undead vampire monster creatures?
JIM:No. But I mean I mean, having all of these people cross paths and
T.C.:Okay. Wyder and Bill Hickok did meet. When? They did meet. They met in the late eighteen sixties in South Dakota in Deadwood.
T.C.:In '18 oh, sorry.
JIM:Well, but that would be
T.C.:In South Dakota, Wild Bill had been living in Deadwood where he was serving as a lawman in Deadwood. Wyatt Earp was also in Deadwood for a short period of time, either visiting or passing through after his time in tombstone. It is believed that Earp and Hickok might have interacted briefly, but there's no clear documented record of this detailed encounter. They likely knew each other by reputation and may have exchanged a few words and possibly even worked together in some capacity as Earp passed through South Dakota. But by the time White Earp became more famous in tombstone, Wild Bill Hickok was already killed in Deadwood.
T.C.:So their paths didn't cross in any major way during Erp's well known years. So conflicting reports here, but that's just that's a brief Google search about whether or not they have met. It's believed that they did. It's just unclear when.
JIM:Okay.
T.C.:Okay. So you're suggesting that we have a couple heroes at the beginning that's that in Dodge so,
JIM:like Yeah.
T.C.:Hickok and Kalamu Jane Mhmm. Are involved with Wyatt Earp and the Earp Boys Mhmm.
JIM:And meeting Doc Holliday.
T.C.:They meet Doc Holliday in that city, then they separate. And then when they reconvene in Deadwood
JIM:What what I'd what probably do yeah. On on their way up there, on their way up to Deadwood Mhmm. Outside of Deadwood. Right, outside of the the the the evil town territory Yeah. They they meet up with Calamity Jane who has recently buried Wild Bill.
T.C.:We'd bury him. Well, great.
JIM:Something like that.
T.C.:We'll dig him up.
JIM:Yeah, something like that.
T.C.:Yeah. I
JIM:Or or or he's not dead yet, and he will die in this third act.
T.C.:No. I I I want another supernatural hero. Okay. And I lost my thought. Go ahead.
T.C.:You talk.
JIM:Well, the only thing was an was an alternative even to that is we don't see them in in act one when Wyatt and Doc get to Deadwood even though it is this vile place of of of unnatural things right out in open daylight. Mhmm. Wild Bill is the sheriff, and he gives him a stern talking to. Like, I won't I I things things may seem odd here, but there's an order, and I won't have you messing up that order.
T.C.:Okay.
JIM:But order already is sort things are already sort of getting out of sorts Mhmm. What with the this vendetta and the the the mess that happened in Dodge. And so the powers that be assassinate Wild Bill.
T.C.:Okay. If we wanna see Wild Bill die in this, if that's what you're going for, I want to maintain that when they get to Deadwood, it's it is a hell mouth. Like, that is just they're crossing into hell.
JIM:Okay.
T.C.:However, if I like the idea of introducing Wild Bill and Calamity Jane in the opening of the movie that these guys are working together and then they go separate ways because we can write a b plot of following Wild Bill and Calamity Jane and and seeing a subplot of them getting to Deadwood, and you can have Wild Bill show up in Deadwood and go, I'm gonna be a law in this part of town. There's gonna be an order, and we can see him get killed. And Calamity Jane seemingly get killed so that when she appears in the third act, she's like, he died. I I tried we tried to fight, we lost. That just we we we tend to write single narratives.
T.C.:We write to that single perspective narratives.
JIM:That's
T.C.:true. And so to create a movie that allows a different, like, a subplot b story of two other heroes Could be fun.
JIM:Okay.
T.C.:Because then we can we can do more in this world than just follow the Erps from
JIM:a I to think also it's she doesn't just bury him and is sad and then Doc Holliday says, let's raise him. Right. I think she should already have that plan. Mhmm. She buries him in unhallowed ground.
JIM:Mhmm. She so right right there in in the the the dead wood dirt. Yeah. So that's what raises him. Mhmm.
JIM:So then we can maybe even have a little scene where where he's frenzying and rabid, and they have to kinda calm him down Mhmm. As as he as, basically, he attacks them.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then our finale is these four characters now. Yeah.
T.C.:I don't mind that. Do I'd still love to see, like
JIM:And the the villains, a giant a giant knight with a ring.
T.C.:The green knight? What are we doing here? Oh, no. No. No.
T.C.:Said sorry. Bass Reeves and and Geronimo are two other characters I was think trying to figure out a way to work into this story at some point because it's just two other legends of the Wild West who were not the most typical of heroes.
JIM:Yeah. I I would love to work in the first people's nations.
T.C.:Yeah. That's that's sort of where I was thinking as well with having Geronimo involved.
JIM:But I it I'm always I'm I'm worried about not doing them justice.
T.C.:Sure. Well, assuming we could find someone to make sure we pay respects to the First Nations people, It so assume we can do that. How would you want to insert a character into the story?
JIM:Even there, don't know because I don't know of Wyatt Wyatt because initially, we started with Wyatt. Right? Well, actually, all the the stories that we've chosen to tell don't involve, as far as I know, don't involve any native peoples centrally. So it would be us in granted we already are taking characters and plucking them and and putting them elsewhere.
T.C.:But we true. But I don't want to use the first nation myths for our story inappropriately.
JIM:So, like, it would feel like misappropriation
T.C.:of Yeah. Legends. Right?
JIM:Yeah.
T.C.:But finding a way to have having first nation people involved, there's could there could essentially, we could have another we could have Bass Reeves or we could have Geronimo. We could have a character with Wild Bill and Clammy Jane that go three directions. Right? Like, we could have a we could have multiple plots going in this if we wanted to spread this story out
JIM:Sure.
T.C.:Even more so. I think we risk having too much in one movie Yeah. In doing that. So then it would be a matter of, well, maybe Wild Bill, Clammy Jane, and a First Nation character are together. And and and we follow see those three while the Earp, Holiday, and the two the the Earp brothers
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:Are on their a plot.
JIM:Sure. I don't I'd like it. I feel I don't know enough about Geronimo. Mhmm. I don't know enough about where he was and what he did.
JIM:Mhmm. And it just feels exploitative.
T.C.:Yeah. That's that's my fear. That's my fear of putting putting them. But, also, I don't wanna
JIM:Don't wanna not have them. Not
T.C.:have them. Yeah.
JIM:So I The the place it it it's small. It's it's almost more of a cameo Mhmm. Size thing would be during the vendetta run Yeah. Going from Tombstone to Deadwood. Deadwood.
JIM:Yeah. Because that's a long ride.
T.C.:Mhmm. Mhmm.
JIM:Wyatt and Doc have an encounter with them. And
T.C.:Some more lore could be dropped there.
JIM:Sure.
T.C.:Not to use them in any sort of exploitive fashion of, like, you know, talking over fire and hearing the history of First Nation, but there there could be an opportunity. Let's let's say this. Let's put a pin in this. Let's not try to worry too much about our white guilt Sure. Right now and and just say we do want to work the First Nation into this story somehow.
T.C.:Yeah. That's probably the best place for it. Mhmm. Finding the most respectful way to insert them into this story is what we is an assignment for us were we to develop the script further.
JIM:Sure.
T.C.:That said, our villain, our final Mhmm. Big bad guy here.
JIM:Alswering, dude.
T.C.:Well, do do we want it to be a historical figure? Do we want it to be, like, a Spanish conquistador who has been doing this the whole time? Like, what Sure. Who do like, some some more centuries old evil that has infested the Wild West. I'm I'm throwing these out as examples of something that I if any of them make your eyes light up, I'll stop there.
T.C.:Is it Jesse James? And surprise, he's he's he's a handsome romantic evil evil man. It's it's Brad Pitt.
JIM:What about the devil?
T.C.:Just make it straight up the devil?
JIM:I like, your your notion of the conquistador is kind of interesting, but what if what if it's not what if it's what if it's a puritan? Like, imagine the the Yeah. Devil Okay. Devil in a puritan outfit Yes. Has holed up in evil hell mouth dead wood Oh, yeah.
JIM:And is spreading spreading monstrous evil from there.
T.C.:Yes. I like this notion of that he looks like freaking on your yeah. Yeah. Some sort of pilgrim looking guy who's
JIM:Buckle hat and shoes.
T.C.:Yeah. Like, this son of a what the hell is this monster?
JIM:Like, I'm evil.
T.C.:Is Mark Strong available? Like, he he he plays evil really well. Some sort of revolutionary, like well, no. Pre revolution. Right?
T.C.:No. No. About about that era, like, the the the fifteen hundreds.
JIM:Puritans? Puritan era. That's earlier.
T.C.:Fourteen hundreds? Yeah. Wow. Okay.
JIM:Wait. No. That's pilgrims. Yeah. I guess Puritans would have been 15, but that's not revolutionary time.
JIM:Revolutionary time is seventeen hundreds.
T.C.:Well, whatever the case, having some sort of, like, puritanical
JIM:Sure. Yeah.
T.C.:What okay. So that's the look of this character, but they've just been spreading evil. So there's nothing but, like, monstrous debauchery surrounding this.
JIM:Right now. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. I'm just suddenly imagine Tim Curry's hymn from legend. Just the big red horns. I know that's not the Puritan Sure.
JIM:Here. I'm honestly imagining more Gary Old man from Dracula Mhmm. But in a Puritan outfit and goat legs. Basically, walking down the street of Deadwood with an upside down bible. And just people, like Quoting unholy scripture as as as people commit every every sort of sin around around him.
T.C.:How do our heroes fight that? Like, not only getting into
JIM:The second amendment.
T.C.:And the and that's how the movie ends. And that was the formation of the second amendments. Up until that point, it wasn't even in there. Nope. It went one to three.
T.C.:They bumped everything. Was it was the first amendment, and the third amendment used to be the second amendment.
JIM:It's true. And they're like, we can't put this one at the end. That's how important it is.
T.C.:Yeah. We gotta we have to we can't add it to the bottom. We have to put it at the top. Well, what about freedom of speech? Fine.
T.C.:We'll make it number two. Bang. Bang. Bang. No.
T.C.:I like the challenge here that we're coming in with guns gunslingers with the ability to fight monsters.
JIM:So I didn't say anything the whole time because I don't know how to really propose it without it sounding super cheesy. Let's because I don't wanna necessarily give White Earth god powers.
T.C.:Sure.
JIM:And I'm like like, I call down Jesus.
T.C.:Again, I don't want that sort of messaging in here. Gambling? Good. Jesus. Bad.
T.C.:That's what I'm going for here.
JIM:Oh, gotcha.
T.C.:But you're saying some sort of
JIM:It right. Like because basically, he's the for us, he's he's he's kind of the embodiment of law and order that I I don't care for the notion, but the taming of the West, if you will. So Okay. So so so the right. So that that like, he he come he comes into dodge and has some sort of righteous ability.
JIM:I don't I don't I don't like it as much. Even even say it out loud, I I
T.C.:I'm gonna suggest something, and we're verging into Dark Tower territory. Mhmm. Because Roland is a descendant of King Arthur. Correct?
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:What if we, in our rewriting of whatever history we wanna do here, that Wyatt Earp and the Earp Boys are descendants of Sir Galahad, the most loyal of King Arthur's knights. And their lineage has, like, access to artifacts and powers that that I'm I'm moving into, like, Constantine and Jonah Hex in buffy territory here, but that they have they have, like, their fail safe weaponry that they have to use for this final confrontation. Like, literally throwing Erp in, like, a chest plate of armor kinda thing, like, Galahad's armor. I'm just bullshitting it. I'm just putting it out there because you're right.
T.C.:Some sort of magic is what you're asking for, and you're right. Yeah. Suggesting that sounds cheesy, but if we like, Jonah Hex in the comics, to to tangent for a second, his ability is any weapon he picks up has ammo in it. That's his power.
JIM:That's his That's a cool power.
T.C.:In in a variation of Joe Nix, that's his power. He always has ammo. And so he never has to reload. So having Wyder have some sort of magical thing here. We have a revenant, and doc Doc Holiday could be like, I can only go so far unless risk risking ripping myself from this plane of existence.
T.C.:But in the final battle, I have no choice. He might have to sacrifice and die in the final battle because he finally uses all of his un un unliving power. Mhmm. Doc Wild Bill, he's got one twenty four hour he has twenty four hours left. Like, once he's raised, he only has twenty four hours to get back to his grave, and he will be gone.
T.C.:Calamity Jane could have some sort of
JIM:Trouble powers.
T.C.:Trouble powers. Yeah. She's such a calamity. She's Domino from Deadpool two. And, yeah, giving Wyatt some sort of collection of all the weaponry that his brothers have left behind as they've died so that he's he's got his magic stuff.
T.C.:Right? That ramble, ramble, ramble, ramble, ramble. Is that is that what you're thinking?
JIM:Sort of. Yeah.
T.C.:It just would be a matter of, like, Voltron, why not just use the sword immediately? There has to be there has to be a reason that now is the time to use these, and I could only use them now.
JIM:Like Voltron, we never actually say that, and we use it when we think appropriate. Why didn't he use this before? All the fights would have been over so soon. What a fun movie he wrote. So
T.C.:yeah. Get well, I don't wanna give him the weapon just before he gets there. This should be something he's always had, and he's finally just tapping into his his fullest potential that allows him to to face this devil Faith that he that it comes down to Wyatt versus the devil in Deadwood. And this devil has been existing has existed for centuries and is so powerful. So now we have a we have a great underdog here.
T.C.:We just need to know what is Wyatt have that's gonna let him win.
JIM:I actually don't like when movies do this, but I'll say it to get it out out of the way.
T.C.:Alright. I'll hate it too. Let's hate it together.
JIM:The way he wins is by not fighting. Right? It it starts like, he's shooting the devil Yeah. Yeah. And the devil's just laughing because because he's he's playing right into it right into the devil's hands.
JIM:He's he's giving in to his his vengeance, his his bloodlust, his his, vainglory. Yeah. All all of these things. And it's not until Wyatt realizes the way to defeat defeat the devil is to give up the devil's tools. Mhmm.
JIM:And so he has to he surrenders his guns.
T.C.:And and is he going in fist fist to cuff?
JIM:No. No. Like like, literally, beats him with Without fighting. With peace. Oh.
T.C.:I mean, that
JIM:The peacemaker was in us all along.
T.C.:That that does cleave close to the legend of Wyatt Earp as this man who who stopped a gunfight without firing a bullet. He pistol whipped everybody. Mhmm. Who cleaned up Dodge and Tombstone without ever getting a scar in his body, that he will he was one of the ultimate lawmen in American history. I'm sure someone out there has written an expose that he's actually a horrible, horrible racist.
T.C.:Yeah.
JIM:Right. Oh, he doesn't shoot the devil. He arrests him. Have the right to You have your day in in court.
T.C.:I No. No. I have the right to bear arms, but I don't have to use them.
JIM:Yeah. There you go. So I don't I don't unless there's some super cool climactic way. Don't like, the devil gets evaporated in a sky beam or something.
T.C.:Oh, sky beam. But we in in this final entering the town, confronting the army, facing off against the villains, shoot them up, big final
JIM:Mhmm.
T.C.:Return of the Jedi ending here. It does come down to Wyatt versus this devil. Mhmm. Correct. We we all agree on that.
T.C.:Yep. And then it's just a matter of how does he defeat him. And and I'm repeating that because that's what we just went over, but I'm just I'm collecting my thoughts out loud for good radio.
JIM:I said I was gonna bring it back.
T.C.:Yep.
JIM:He hits him with the hate train. That's oh, wow. You got him right back on the tracks. I did. Wow.
T.C.:I did. Good job. None of us saw it coming. He he calls the hell train from the lone ranger, and it comes out of the mist and just runs the
JIM:And then we do we do a a comic book graphic with the little asterisk that says see issue issue so and so.
T.C.:See the five minute mark in the Yeah. Oh, wait. I got something.
JIM:Got Go
T.C.:for You you got something?
JIM:I think I have something.
T.C.:Okay. Rock, paper, scissors, see who pitches it first.
JIM:Oh, we got
T.C.:Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Okay. Jim wins.
JIM:Okay.
T.C.:Did everyone follow that? I lost the first one. Right. Go ahead.
JIM:So right. They they they fight. They and the the thing is they gotta fight the whole town. It's not just the this this one guy walking through the street. Like, they even find when when they shoot the devil, it it hits someone else.
JIM:Mhmm. Like like, some far off, like like, takes the bullet kind of thing. And the heroes are going down in until it's just Earp in the street with the devil, and all all of his his demons are closing in. Mhmm. All of the devil's demons are closing in.
JIM:And a a thing we plant we start planting early on is each each of our characters has essentially a totem or a token. Mhmm. And in the end, Wyatt drops his gun and pulls out the tokens and, like, holds them and and and we'll say praise Yeah. But essentially summons the spirits of all of his dead friends. Yeah.
JIM:So he does Voltron in his house at the end. And, basically, we see their their spirits kind of rise at his side and all kinda come together and shoot one big god gun or something something like that. Okay. So something that's that's kinda cheesy. I'd wanna just sauce that out, but that's the gist of what I'm thinking here.
JIM:And the Devs like, no. And and then he gets killed by a sky beam.
T.C.:Okay. That that okay. I I think you might be on to something. Here's my pitch for you. Alright.
T.C.:It's a little variation that where, they're going in. They they they are fighting their way through. They they're they kinda have a good volley at first, but then they start getting defeated. We watched Doc Holliday lose the last of his abilities. We see, Wild Bill is is you know, the sun is setting and or sun is rising, and he's gonna have to go back to the great
JIM:calamity.
T.C.:And there's there's, there's Wyatt. He his brothers are are trying to speak to him from beyond, and he is running out of ammo. And he's down to his final bullets, and and they're gonna lose. And I don't know how to plant this early and how to pull this off exactly, but he has a full new supply of bullets in his possession, and it's it's all the gold and silver coins melted into bullets. And he fuck and he loads up and starts ripping through them all with their own coins.
T.C.:Something about the the tokens that created the evil to everywhere they went have been melted into bullets, and he just loads up and just starts going ham on the town with their own tokens as the bullets. Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang.
T.C.:Bang. And the devil's like, what's happening? How is this working? Because he's basically using the devil's own weapons against all his people. And now we have a gunfighter just going the end of the gunslinger, the first book, where Roland kills an entire town of people.
T.C.:That's what That that's
JIM:what you wanna do.
T.C.:Know? Why why does he take that?
JIM:He kills all of All
T.C.:of them. Yeah. And then and then it's him, the devil, with his with the last few bullets. And then he can and then once he's wounded the devil, then they fight. Then they punch punch each other to death.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah.
JIM:I don't wanna punt I I don't
T.C.:wanna punch him to death. But what do think of the silver gold bullets?
JIM:That's not bad. What if I we just planned that earlier on. That's a part of the vendetta run. They're like, we're gonna kill all and so they've been doing it. Mhmm.
JIM:And they shoot through the town. That's the entire, basically, third act is is we got these bullets, we're gonna put
T.C.:them Yeah.
JIM:In all these devils. Okay. But they don't work on the devil himself. Mhmm. And it it it is he has to summon the spirits of his dead friends
T.C.:Mhmm.
JIM:To shoot a soul bullet through through like, I know the description is terrible, but I in in my mind, in my mind's eye, I can I can kinda see it, like Yeah? Right, like, his brothers show up is ethereally behind him and put their hands on his shoulder. Is he like I don't I don't know. Something
T.C.:shooting. Yeah. The the right swell of a score will do it. Yeah.
JIM:Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:There's a soul bullet. Like, one single bullet go, and it grows and grows and grows and just hits them like a giant bullet bill.
JIM:Yeah. And
T.C.:the devil just explodes.
JIM:So I I I like that idea, but I'd I'd probably sold it poorly.
T.C.:Sobolt's good. I don't mind it. I like it.
JIM:Just because I don't think the devil would be taken out by his own handiwork.
T.C.:Okay. Okay. Well, everyone else is taken out by those gold silver bullets. Yeah. That's that's what I'm saying.
T.C.:Okay. So Yeah?
JIM:Do do you this this this for the any any last thoughts thing. Yeah. You you you gonna let you you
T.C.:have any last thoughts?
JIM:You you
T.C.:think okay.
JIM:I do.
T.C.:You do?
JIM:Yeah.
T.C.:Do you wanna save it for that?
JIM:That's what I was thinking.
T.C.:Alright. Okay. Caleb, how did we do? How did we do, everyone? This is what the wait.
T.C.:Wait. Wait. Wait. I gotta I think we're gonna wrap it up here. Where are my notes?
T.C.:Where my notes? I wanna make sure I get everyone's name correctly here. Caleb and Caleb Tran and Jackson. There you go. Weird West folks.
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JIM:But do you have to listen to all of them?
T.C.:Well, if you subscribe, you don't. I'm saying Oh, okay. Just subscribe and
JIM:not I'm saying pod save pod save America. Are they not episodic? Is that serial? It's Yeah. It is.
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T.C.:How you follow American history?
JIM:Oh.
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T.C.:you do. Yeah. Jim.
JIM:Final thoughts.
T.C.:Final thoughts.
JIM:I think we over we overdid it. I think there's an amazing movie just in Dodge City.
T.C.:Just in Dodge City.
JIM:Dodge City, get the hell out. That's the tagline.
T.C.:That's it.
JIM:The movie is called Dodge City. Tagline, get the hell out. Yeah. And we do we do pretty much our first act as a whole movie.
T.C.:Yeah.
JIM:Wyatt Earp shows up, learns about the crazy stuff happening in the town, and it's supernatural evil. Yeah. And he has to team up with Doc Holliday to kick hell out.
T.C.:If you're gonna
JIM:Kick wreck him all the monsters out.
T.C.:All the monsters out. So Wyderp shows up, Dodge City, there's supernatural forces. He he gets the hell out. Yep. Yeah.
T.C.:Cool. If you're gonna recommend this episode to anyone, just tell them to go to the hour fifty mark, and they will love what we just pitched.
JIM:I was so excited about the the siege at Okay Corral that I really wanted to get that from Soma. But here as we crafted this final the the the the final act, I was like, oh, crap. Our first act alone is is actually really good. Just just flesh that out.
T.C.:Agree or disagree? I I we might have three movies here, which is what you had even floated way earlier than this. It was like Dodge City's a movie, Tombstone's a movie, and Deadwood's a movie.
JIM:We do that so often though that I was like, let's just make one.
T.C.:Let's just make one. Like, we are not gonna get a chance. No one's gonna greenlight a second western movie, Jim. No. Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter ended there.
JIM:It did. Yeah. He went I mean, he killed all the vampires, didn't he?
T.C.:Yeah. But then he went to Ford Theater. There wasn't a more story to tell. So yeah. Do and was that a spoiler
JIM:Unless it was Abraham Lincoln Vampire comma,
T.C.:hunter. You talking to a guy? Who was that? That's Abraham Lincoln vampire, hunter. Alright.
T.C.:Thank you, everybody. Let us know what you think of that. We're just gonna end here. That's that's it. Goodbye, James.
T.C.:Goodbye. Here we go.
JIM:Goodbye, audience.