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The Be The Church Podcast is for spiritual leaders who want to be challenged to lead like Jesus in everyday places—at home, in your church, at school, and in the workplace. Hosted by Be The Church founder Joel Wayne and Chapel Pointe pastor Luke Bilberry, each episode features bold, authentic conversations with business and ministry leaders that are rooted in Scripture. You'll learn how to expand your spiritual influence and leverage your leadership to advance the Kingdom of God. Let's be the church together! For more information, visit bethechurch.org/podcast.
I have no answer for the world that's actually gonna help them. I don't. I don't. And that's probably horrible to say on a podcast. Right?
Joel Wayne:I have no but the word of God does. And if honestly, if there's a pastor or a spiritual leader out there telling me this is what you better do and I have the answer, I'm not following that guy. This is God speaking even today. If it's if it's living and alive, if it's the word that is being breathed amongst us, that we are to live this out, to ignore it is just to tell me that you don't care about God. Right.
Joel Wayne:No matter what you've done, there's there's hope and love and power in the name of Jesus Christ. Right? It doesn't matter. People can't it doesn't matter. Everybody would would have made fun of her, but God says you're mine.
Joel Wayne:Hello. I'm Joel Wayne. Welcome to the Be The Church podcast along with myself and Luke Bilberry because today we get to really walk through the word of God and some scripture that helps to shape not only our leadership, but the way that we function in life, the way that we lead and guide others, the purposefulness in which we choose to make the decisions that we scripture alone that is to guide us and to shape us. So let's jump into this episode.
Luke Bilberry:Obviously, all scripture is God's word. It's it's God's authority for his people, and he's given he's revealed himself in the scripture, and it's all we need for living and following God. Right?
Joel Wayne:Yeah. It's everything we have. And so but from that, one of the
Luke Bilberry:things I'm curious of, Pastor Joel, there there's probably some verses or ideas and sections of scripture that can really shape and form a leader or a follower of Jesus. And I'd love for us to really begin to walk through a few of those and maybe some big themes and ideas from that. And so what would you say are the what are the top five sections of scripture, five verses? I know, like I'm putting you on the spot What as a are the top five verses that I need to know as a spiritual leader in order to be who God has called me to be? What would you say to that?
Joel Wayne:I'm going to, the first one I'm going to lump. I'm going to try to do this as best I can. I'm going to lump Matthew twenty twenty six and twenty eight with Mark ten forty five. Okay. Because they are somewhat synonymous in terms of talking about, Hey, didn't come to be served.
Joel Wayne:I came to serve. It talks about first being last. That's the Matthew 20 portion That's of posturing. And that's created, that's why I'm always gonna be last in line. Whether I was pastoring a really small church or now a larger church, I'll always want to be last in line.
Joel Wayne:Right. Just, there's a posturing to it. There's something about it. I still grab the snow shovels when I can around here, even though we pay people to do it because we have so much of it. It's kind of insane.
Joel Wayne:I think it's important. It's kind of like your kids when they come down from their bedroom, you want them to accidentally see their mom and dad in the Word of God. You're not trying to boast, but you want them to, you want them to, man, I see my dad all the time in scripture. I think you want your people around you to accidentally see you serving.
Luke Bilberry:Yeah. Like this is this is this is this is actual reality of identity of who we are.
Joel Wayne:Another another is gonna be Philippians chapter two verse three. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. And then it goes in, but in humility consider others better than yourself. Jump over to verse five. Your attitude or your mindset should be the same as Christ Jesus, who in humility did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, took on the nature of a servant, becoming obedient to death, even death on a cross.
Joel Wayne:I I look at that, and I go, humility and serving. Mhmm. Like, that's the crux. Now I know I just I probably called out three or four different verses but that's the crux of it. An easy one is John three thirty, He must increase, I must decrease.
Joel Wayne:Yep. All of it is in the same vein. Yeah. It's all in the same vein. You know, you look at what the outflow of your heart, Proverbs four twenty three, that's another really big one for me that if we could just go, wait, what is my motive for leading?
Joel Wayne:What's my motive of man, okay. I wish I could get every pastor, every leader out there and go, what's your motive for growing? Even if you're a church, right? If you're honest with yourself, what's your motive for it? Growing a business, what's your real motive so that you can feel better?
Joel Wayne:If you can just have a, man, if you can have a business that's hitting 3,000,000 a year, make up a number, then you're there. Yeah. And it's never enough. We know that. Then it's gonna be 5,000,000, 2,000,000.
Joel Wayne:Nothing's ever enough. Those passages I called out to you calibrate my heart. They calibrate my heart.
Luke Bilberry:So so can I ask you that question? What is your motivation as a pastor?
Joel Wayne:I wanna see lives transformed truly. I mean, I I look at what's happening in the world. I have no answer for the world that's actually gonna help them. Mhmm. I don't I don't.
Joel Wayne:I mean, that's probably horrible to say on a podcast. Right? I have no, the Word of God does. Yeah. And if honestly, if there's a pastor or a spiritual leader out there telling me this is what you better do and I have the answer, I'm not following that guy.
Joel Wayne:The Word of God does. And so to see those transformed followers, people truly being activated, I mean, know my angst in my life. I look at what we've done with the New Testament church here in America and it grieves my soul. And I want to see people activate it to live it out and speak boldly.
Luke Bilberry:So with that, what would you say? Because I've often heard you say this too, particularly when preaching, we don't want to say, I think this, we want to say the Bible says Yes. And like that's a stark contrast. What would you say to someone who what are the scriptures that I need to in order to see transformation in their life? So point us to point me to some of, like, the key scriptures around transformation, process of growth falling
Joel Wayne:after Jesus. Well, automatically, you're gonna get to Romans chapter 12 verse two. Mhmm. Right? And that we want to be transformed by the renewing of our mind.
Joel Wayne:So that means we have to change. We have to grow. We have to keep going. And we want to rest on our laurels in a sense, right? We're just like, okay, I'm there now.
Joel Wayne:I was a Sunday school teacher for twenty years or I've been faithful in going to church for eighteen years, and no, it's just not the posturing. So of course, Romans chapter 12 is going to be one of it. But man, Luke, I'll tell you, I think the stories of Scripture have impacted me. Like I forced memorization in my life because I need to. It's not as easy for me as some.
Joel Wayne:Mhmm. So it's just repetition, repetition, repetition. But the stories of Scripture is what's done that for me. Yeah. That, you know, I look at the story of Daniel.
Joel Wayne:I was 16, 17 years old. I had just, well, I guess I was 17 because I had just graduated high school. I was going to college, and I heard this message. Now this wasn't online back in my day that, you know You
Luke Bilberry:actually had
Joel Wayne:to go somewhere I to hear went to it's a building. We call it a church building. Oh, okay. Is that how it works? Yeah, that's how it works.
Joel Wayne:So I went, and this guy, I have no idea who it was, but he was preaching as I have many times now on Daniel. And he's like, Dude, there's this guy, he was a teenager. And the thing is, he didn't justify eating what everybody else was eating. We would have justified it. We'd been hungry.
Joel Wayne:We're like, Well, I gotta eat, so I might as well, I don't want to. And you know, because Daniel refused to eat what was being served because it wasn't of God's will. And we justify so much. That shaped me. Because I said, I'm not going to justify my emotions or my selfishness.
Joel Wayne:I'm going stop doing it. I mean, that was, oh my goodness, forty, thirty five years, thirty five years ago, and it has still impacted my life. Because I look at that story and go, here's a young person. I wish our teenagers would recognize that. I wish our young adults, the number of people who go to college, it's almost as though their parents expect them to go get drunk and do stupid stuff because they're in college.
Luke Bilberry:Right.
Joel Wayne:That is called being a really poor biblical parent.
Luke Bilberry:That's bad leadership.
Joel Wayne:Right? It's horrible leaders. It's like, hey, just go. It's just what the world does. Since when does scripture say just go do what the world does?
Joel Wayne:And that defined my entire life. Not everything, but a good portion of it.
Luke Bilberry:Yeah. And what I appreciate in that too is, so there's scripture memory, but there's also I mean, maybe you have the book of Daniel memorized and that would be amazing.
Joel Wayne:Just the first six chapters.
Luke Bilberry:But what I hear you saying, I have the theme memorized. I've hidden God's word in my heart so I would not sin against them, that I wouldn't do, you know, that gets continued shape. I'm gonna live other than the world because of the story that I found in the scripture in Daniel. And if I need to, I can go back and reference it. If I need to go deep dive or that's gonna be my devotion, I'm gonna go back into But the theme, the narrative, the overarching themes, and I think that can also maybe help anyone if they're not engaged in scripture reading, you essentially need to saturate your life with the scriptures so that the themes, Holy Spirit can bring those out.
Luke Bilberry:Right?
Joel Wayne:Yeah. And I'm not going say I did it from a healthy place, but I think it served me well. I think I did some of the things I did, but you know, when scripture memory, for me, word by word can be difficult, especially I grew up in it. When you grew up in the eighties, nineties, and early two thousands, man, the translation war, we had a worship war. We also had a translation war.
Joel Wayne:Like what do we do? Like I memorized so many things out of the original NIV. Now, you know, as a church we use the ESV. I'm still quoting NIV. People running the screens like, did you mean to put this on there?
Joel Wayne:I'm like, I'm sorry, I did it on a memorization.
Luke Bilberry:It's funny sometimes when you quote like if it's three translations meshed together.
Joel Wayne:I'm like, I'm like, ah. And so, but it's a real it was a real thing. And so I just stepped in. Yeah. Like Matthew, I can go chapter by chapter and why that movement was so vital and understanding how it goes.
Joel Wayne:But I, you know, when it comes to the word of God, if you there is no excuse to not learn it.
Luke Bilberry:Yeah.
Joel Wayne:There is no excuse.
Luke Bilberry:Why?
Joel Wayne:Well, because if you say it's what breathes life, like, okay, so here's the Word of God. Living and alive Word of God. This is God speaking even today. If it's living and alive, if it's the Word that has been breathed amongst us, that we are to live this out. To ignore it is just to tell me that you don't care about God.
Joel Wayne:Right. And to do it accurately, to make sure that it's guiding you. If you don't understand the whole of scripture, you're going to be misled. Right. And I already just in saying that, I think about so many examples that are dividing the church today because they're taking snippets.
Joel Wayne:Mhmm. Right?
Luke Bilberry:Yeah. So I wanna ask one question and then kind of maybe a list just kind of off the top of your head for me, a spiritual leader of scripture, so kind of put that in the back of mind, but it's just like a list of scriptures that you can just rattle off these, you know, these Bible addresses to think through. When you I've heard
Joel Wayne:some people You say Bible addresses? That's so bad.
Luke Bilberry:Like, it's an address. Where do I find it? Okay. Okay. Like, this is the address where where it is.
Luke Bilberry:Some people talk about this, man, like I have like a life verse and that's an extra biblical idea. But this idea, man, there's a verse that kind of is it kind of my North Star that's that's kind of guiding me if I if I wonder, if I come back to this reminds me of why or my purpose.
Joel Wayne:Yeah.
Luke Bilberry:What would you say is a life verse that guides you? Or maybe a
Joel Wayne:Versus a section. That'd be easier for me. Yeah. Because I do read it, right? It's just important.
Joel Wayne:So James one:two 28. Consider pure joy, my brothers, when you face trials of many kinds because the testing of your See, I'm doing it in an old school NIV. It's exhausting. Because of the testing of your faith develops perseverance. Perseverance must finish its words so that you may be mature and complete, otherwise you're like a wave of the sea blown and tossed by the end and continues.
Joel Wayne:That's a huge one because I think it teaches us, everybody's like, well, you should always be joyful. Listen, I can be joyful in the midst of sorrow. I truly believe that. But I think it has prepared me to live a life walking through hardship. Consider it pure joy, my brothers, when you face trials of many kinds.
Joel Wayne:It's letting you know, expect the trials. The number of people we've seen who get upset or angry, angry at God because there's hardship or there's difficulty and there's trials that are coming. I can't believe I love God. Is He? He told you there was going to be hardship.
Joel Wayne:That is nothing but selfishness. Yeah. You know, there goes Philippians two three, do nothing out of selfish ambition. We are I'm preaching soon on love. One of the things I'm communicating is everybody thinks that the opposite of love is hate.
Joel Wayne:It's not. The opposite of love is selfishness. And I'm going to keep, this is one of those things that has resonated in me so deep. We're so much more selfish than we recognize. That verse is a life verse because it tells me it's going to be hard.
Joel Wayne:So just get ready, and if you know it's coming, right? So I'm going to say James one, two, two, eight, Philippians two, five through 11, or even three, I would say, through 11. I've already quoted some of that in this podcast. I think that's another really, really important one for us to process. I'm I'm gonna actually go to some stories.
Joel Wayne:John four I love the Gospel of John. Yeah. Of course, I say that about everything in the church. Do feel like you
Luke Bilberry:say that every time. Like, it's
Joel Wayne:my favorite book. This is my favorite book. John four, The Woman at the Well. Yeah. Still wrecks me.
Joel Wayne:Abraham and Isaac still wrecks me. John five, Man at the Pool Of Bethesda. Only because Jesus walks up to him. He's been an invalid for thirty some odd years. Jesus walks up to him and he's like, Hey, do you want to be made well?
Joel Wayne:And I've always, that's always stuck out to me. I'm like, of course, why is Jesus even asking this? But I think a lot of us would rather stay as we are. What we know. Or we
Luke Bilberry:can't even process a well-being life like we don't
Joel Wayne:Yeah, like we would just rather stay as we are. It's what we know. It's what we're comfortable with. Mean, there's a picture of what's coming with God and His son, Jesus Christ. Hey, sacrifice them.
Joel Wayne:Abraham didn't have to. God did. So knowing the entirety of scripture shapes Abraham and Isaac. If you read Abraham and Isaac with no recollection of the New Testament, it doesn't impact me in the same way. Right?
Joel Wayne:So, and then the woman at the well is because the least, they're not even supposed to walk through Samaria. You know, we, at this church, it's interesting. It's hard to try to bring reverence and awe to a church space today that is contemporary. We don't, we would never be able to afford the old church buildings where, I think about England and things that were built in the 1400s, 1500s, and all these amazing buildings. But how do you bring reverence to a space?
Joel Wayne:We did 14 drawings and there was an artist named Taco. And they asked me, what would these pictures be? I said, they'd tell the story of Scripture. They're like, well, you have 12 to 14 pictures that you get to tell to help understand the Word of God. It's like, how am I going to do?
Joel Wayne:I need 14, not 12. And one of them I chose was John four, Woman at the Well, because it says God can redeem anyone from anything at any time. That's what that story is. Yep. No matter what you've done, there's hope and love and power in the name of Jesus Christ.
Luke Bilberry:Amen. Yep.
Joel Wayne:Right? It doesn't matter. People can't, doesn't matter. Everybody would have made fun of her, but God says you're mine. It's so, so good.
Joel Wayne:Yeah. And let me give you this. You'll never be thirsty again. You'll never be thirsty again. So those stories, it's why we're here.
Joel Wayne:It's why I do what I do. I love that stuff. Right?
Luke Bilberry:Yeah. I mean, I'm just curious as you're talking about that theme of that is just it's beautiful because it is God takes broken people, you know, like like us, and he redeems, he restores. And then and then he sets them on mission. Right? Every one of those people gets to take a next step.
Luke Bilberry:Abraham Isaac, you know, the woman at the well she goes and has an impact in the world around her. You know, the man who is at the Pool Of Bethesda, he gets up and that's a ripple effect to the people Huge. Around So let me
Joel Wayne:I'm gonna throw another one out there and then I actually, I'm gonna this back on you. I know you're the host of this, but I don't really care. John fifteen:five. It's actually be the church with Joel Wayne. I'm just here You're with so good.
Joel Wayne:You're so good, though. John fifteen:five, I am the vine, are the branches. If a man remains in me, he'll bear much fruit apart from me. You can do nothing. That's a, I think that just reminds me of my sufficiency upon Jesus.
Joel Wayne:I can, my posturing can be sometimes, I just have to work harder. I have to- Keep going, keep going, Go, go, go. And what a great passage just to be reminded. It's only through me. Yeah.
Joel Wayne:I mean, it's really, really deep for me to process.
Luke Bilberry:Yeah.
Joel Wayne:So that's pretty good.
Luke Bilberry:That's cool. Well, there was one thing we were talking before we started recording a verse in Proverbs that has shaped you recently in Proverbs. And I thought that was just an insightful thing that you said whenever you're processing scripture and leadership, I thought I had to do it alone. Right? And so as you're reading Proverbs, it's beginning to shift how you've been running after things.
Joel Wayne:So Proverbs eleven fourteen, and it talks about people, they go, well, in the presence of many counselors, right? There's wisdom. And it's really people go, it's about guidance and wisdom and really having insight. It is, and we gain that from the counselors, the people around us. But what it has done for me is it revealed in my life how much I was trying to do in my own strength.
Joel Wayne:I had to be good enough. Had to be smart enough. Always had to be funny enough or likable enough or I mean, just substitute, whatever you want to substitute. Right. And it just said, no, I never wanted you to do it alone.
Joel Wayne:So when you add that understanding to the gifts of the spirit and our spiritual giftedness and the gifts that we have, nobody has them all, but we sure do want people to have them all. And then you say, Don't you understand? Here's over here in Proverbs. I never wanted you to do it by yourself. That's, it's been such a gift and a blessing.
Joel Wayne:It's changed my leadership significantly. I mean, we basically, I mean, you're a part of this monstrosity as well. I mean, it's awesome to see what God is doing. But we try to bring around basically forty, fifty people with elders and key leaders and pastors around this thing to help lead it collectively. Now do we have different roles and responsibilities?
Joel Wayne:We do. But even some of the greatest leaders I know, they're like, You're insane. Yeah, three or four of you should be making pretty much every decision and then everybody falls in order, is what it sounds like. And I'm not saying that's wrong for them. I'm saying it's not how I understand the way that I need to personally, I personally lead other people.
Joel Wayne:And so we do, we have forty, fifty people who are like dialed. So I say I don't have people behind me. Have people sitting right beside me. And honestly, sometimes I feel like they're in front of me. And that's beautiful.
Joel Wayne:Yeah. So yeah, shaped me a lot.
Luke Bilberry:Well, it's I love it because you're using the scripture as that filter that is shaping and helping you understand leadership and then also guide you in your leadership, right? Like there's this thing that you're naturally doing that God's been working through you in this galvanizing, bringing people together with you. And the scriptures are influencing, shaping, forming that. So kind of just rapid fire. I'm a spiritual leader.
Luke Bilberry:What are what are the key? You can just rattle off the addresses like boom, boom, boom. And we even put that in the notes and the description, all that sort of stuff to say, hey, these are the verses, if you don't know where to start, start here as a spiritual leader, these verses.
Joel Wayne:Oh man, right away, you're going to go to Joshua six, Joshua five and six. Actually, I think they walk too closely together. So sometimes I'm going to give you a section.
Luke Bilberry:That's
Joel Wayne:fine. And I think that's really important. Of course, you can go Psalm 23, Psalm 86, Psalm 91, and Psalm one. It's only six verses. If you've never memorized a chapter, go memorize Psalm one.
Luke Bilberry:I feel like I quote Psalm one sometimes more often than any passage because it shows so much about what does it actually mean to be planted and not allowed
Joel Wayne:Three things not to do, three things to do, and this is how you do it. Exactly. I'm like, don't sit in the seat of scoffers. Let's go. Right?
Joel Wayne:Yep. So Psalm one, definitely without a doubt, I'm kinda going
Luke Bilberry:some of That's fine.
Joel Wayne:That's right. Exodus chapter 20, of course, has the 10 commandments, but you need to understand that as well, and all of it is going to include that references Deuteronomy because of the Shema that are being included. And so those are some. I would also say, man, I almost said entire books.
Luke Bilberry:That's not the assignment, sir. What are some sections or some scriptures
Joel Wayne:that like give me some just little handholds, buddy? Well, Matthew chapter four, temptation in the wilderness. Matthew is the perfect illustration. I'm gonna give handholds, I promise. I'm not.
Joel Wayne:One, genealogy, birth of Jesus. Matthew two, continuing with the birth of Jesus and the appointment, what's going on. Matthew three, baptism of Jesus. Matthew four, Jesus being tempted in the wilderness, and then he steps into his messianic ministry. He stepped with Matthew five, six and seven, Sermon on the Mount.
Joel Wayne:And you got the beatitudes there in Matthew chapter five. Just that understanding of the first seven chapters, and you can go all the way through the 28 chapters of Matthew, it paints such a beautiful picture. I I would I think everybody needs to read the Sermon on the Mount in one day five times. I've done it before. That's pretty fun.
Joel Wayne:And you just keep reading it and it just
Luke Bilberry:You actually It just
Joel Wayne:starts to shape something.
Luke Bilberry:Because you you see you see the heart of God. And right. Isn't that if anything, the scripture, the word became flesh and dwelt among us and his word reveals him. Yeah. And so it's not just, you know, basic instructions.
Luke Bilberry:It's not just a how to, it is engaging in a personal relationship with God and He's speaking to us through His Word and by the power of His Spirit for those of us who call Him as Lord and Savior and we get to sit. And so that's why, like, when I talk with my kids, it's don't go do your daily devotions, like, spend time with Jesus. Yeah. Because he's there. He's he's waiting and he's longing to spend time with you.
Luke Bilberry:And we He's
Joel Wayne:just waiting. He's such a good He's just waiting. Yeah. Well, so I look at that, Luke, in the Gospel of Matthew. Of course, you're to go Great Commission, Matthew chapter 28.
Joel Wayne:That's a pretty big responsibility. I already mentioned Matthew chapter 20 about last shall be first 16 through 18. Mark seven, because it talks about traditions, and I think maybe it's verse seven or eight, he says, but your heart's far from me. You're doing all the religious stuff. Your heart's not even you don't even know me.
Joel Wayne:Come on. That's a big one. Mark nine twenty three, which is Luke nine twenty three as well. Take up your cost daily and follow me. Pretty pretty important one there.
Luke Bilberry:Which I've always loved because that's that's even before we understand the significance of the cross. Yeah.
Joel Wayne:We know.
Luke Bilberry:Like, he he he calls something out that is going to be the monumental thing for all of us to die to ourselves. Take that humility posture. John three thirty,
Joel Wayne:you know. John three sixteen and seventeen.
Luke Bilberry:Yep.
Joel Wayne:John three thirty, He must increase, I must decrease. That's a pretty big one. John fourteen:six, I'm the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Pretty big one.
Joel Wayne:You have the seven I ams in John, so you want to go to John eight, John 10, etcetera, and it's pretty important for us to walk through that. High Priestly Prayer in John 17. Man, I'm
Luke Bilberry:just gonna So sorry. You're about to you're you're about to quote the whole bible.
Joel Wayne:That's great. So sorry. So if you wanna be a spiritual leader, read the bible. Read read. I I there's a story.
Joel Wayne:Again, you're gonna get in a lot of trouble if you only memorize a verse. There's a story to be be known, to be told. Experienced. Yeah. And to walk and just to fall into it.
Joel Wayne:Let it be that vast ocean of God's love and just jump into it.
Luke Bilberry:So why don't we do this, Joel? Why don't we why don't we kind of wrap up our conversation here? What would be a scripture that you have in you that helps us fall into an encounter with God? And what if we kind of wrap our our conversation there with just the word of God and that's it?
Joel Wayne:I've already quoted part of it. I mean, how do you alright. So I'm gonna mess up everything here. It's alright. You're fine, bro.
Joel Wayne:How how do you not just wallow around in God's love when you read Philippians chapter two? In humility, you can do not consider equality with God something to be grasped. If that doesn't define Mark ten forty five and Mark twenty sixteen through 18 about his servanthood. Right? He didn't even consider it something to be grasped.
Joel Wayne:Right. And so he took the nature of a servant. Humbled himself and became obedient to death and it's reminding us of the garden. God, Father, if it's your will, but I mean, right? Sweating blood.
Joel Wayne:Come on. I mean, only, man, I want to be cautious. No, I don't. The only way that doesn't wreck you is if
Luke Bilberry:you don't believe it. If your heart's hard.
Joel Wayne:100%. It's the only way. And then of course, I love the passage because ten and eleven verses ten and eleven on Philippians chapter two reminds us, guess what's coming. You know, I say it all the time. Listen, you might as well go ahead and start bowing your knee now because at the end, you're going to.
Joel Wayne:Everyone. Yep. You might as well start confessing now because at the end, you're going to. Right. It's what creates the passion in me.
Joel Wayne:So I'm gonna go Philippians two:five through 11.
Luke Bilberry:Well, would you just grab your Bible or just read it for us and we'll we'll wrap our conversation there?
Joel Wayne:Well, it's interesting because do you want me to read it or do want me just to quote Quote it. Whatever. Just let's just end with just the straight word. Can I tell you the problem with all of it is what'll end up happening?
Luke Bilberry:Is you're gonna quote it in NIV?
Joel Wayne:I need a new Bible, by the way. My Bible is so worn out. That's awesome. This one, I shouldn't I shouldn't preach from this, but I do. So have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus.
Joel Wayne:Who, though he was in the form of God, did not consider count equality with God something to be grasped. But he emptied himself, took on the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself, became obedient to death, even death on a cross. And so therefore, God exalted him to the highest place. He bestowed on him the name that is above every name so that that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow in heaven on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God, the father.
Joel Wayne:Amen. Amen.