Another Zelda Podcast

S7 EP03 | In this special crossover episode of Another Zelda Podcast, David Geisler is joined by T.C. De Witt of Studio Demands It for their annual tradition! This time, they dive back into the delightfully absurd world of The Legend of Zelda animated series, continuing their multi-year journey through the show’s infamous one-liners, bizarre plots, and unexpected moments. From Link’s endless pursuit of a kiss to surprisingly deep lore connections, David and TC break down three more episodes with their signature mix of analysis and humor. Plus, they discuss how Studio Demands It has been shaping creative pitches for movies and TV, and tease their upcoming crossover episode where they’ll attempt to craft a Zelda TV show from scratch! Don’t miss this nostalgic and laugh-filled look at one of the strangest chapters in Zelda history.

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Creators and Guests

Host
David Geisler
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Guest
T.C. De Witt

What is Another Zelda Podcast?

It’s a secret to everybody. | Another Zelda Podcast is a show wherein we talk about all things regarding The Legend of Zelda series!

David Geisler:

Hello and welcome to another Zelda podcast. I'm David, your host tonight, and tonight I am joined by very special guest, TC DeWitt. TC, how are you?

T.C. De Witt:

Teehee. Hi.

David Geisler:

Wow. A Teehee. Coming in with a Teehee. Listen. Woah.

David Geisler:

Nice. Okay. I get it. Oh, you you the teehee is a little bit sprite. A

T.C. De Witt:

little bit spritey.

David Geisler:

A little

T.C. De Witt:

bit spritey. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. So, TC, our listeners already know who you are. But if they're if this is their first episode,

T.C. De Witt:

t you, why don't you introduce yourself? God. I I I punched the microphone. Well, I am TC as Sid, and you can hear me and my co host, Jim, do studio demands it over over well, here at 65 Media.

David Geisler:

Over at. That's so funny because usually you're

T.C. De Witt:

speaking from

David Geisler:

the context of California because

T.C. De Witt:

you guys record the show in California. Right. Yeah. So, yeah, if if you're if you're at least familiar with AZP here, you know it's part of a network, and we are a part of that network as well. And Studio Demands It is a screenwriting podcast where we, in each episode, we are given a demand.

T.C. De Witt:

We are asked to conceptualize, pitch, and craft the film based on certain demands from the listeners. And we And

David Geisler:

they're like, it's listener demands, but the the you kinda pretend that it's like a fictional studio.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Yeah. So, like, the listener will be like, hello. I'm from the studio of, Green Hat and Boomerang Productions, and we have a demand for you. Mhmm.

T.C. De Witt:

And Jim and I do very little preparation, and then we have to make something up on the spot. And it's, it's whiteboarding or note carding or a beat sheeting depending on what screen writing terms you use. But we have to come up with a full coherence, exciting, fun movie every episode or or TV show or very rarely a video game.

David Geisler:

Well, that's yeah. That kinda leads us into. So we we much much to my happiness and your commitment, we do a essentially an annual crossover experience

T.C. De Witt:

Yep.

David Geisler:

With The

T.C. De Witt:

4th year running here.

David Geisler:

4th year running. And each time so far, it's been you coming back to Wisconsin. Now I know, you know, we both grew up in Wisconsin. Like, here we are in Chicago. I accidentally say Wisconsin.

David Geisler:

But, so you've got some family here and stuff like that. But, I I really appreciate it because we so the 1st year we did it, what was that episode? Oh, it was the the not Link not speaking episode.

T.C. De Witt:

The the silent protagonist. Yes. Wow.

David Geisler:

That was so long ago.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Which was I was happy to discuss because I came in very analytical and and then our crossover to studio demands it was a just a Zelda movie. Right. And we pitched 2. 1 was a biopic about the creation of Zelda, which you had pitched.

David Geisler:

I got I I kind of accidentally visualized an opening scene while we were talking about the other film that we were pitching, which might have been the Sheik film or something.

T.C. De Witt:

Well, we ended up doing, like, just Ocarina of Time, I think, was what we ended up. Okay. Ocarina? Ocarina. I would say Ocarina.

David Geisler:

We I I grew up saying Ocarina.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. I

David Geisler:

know through the community though, I say Ocarina. I think that that might be the way it goes, but it doesn't matter.

T.C. De Witt:

And then the 2nd year of crossover, we started watching the Adventures of Zelda cartoon from 1989.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. The Legend of Zelda cartoon. Or is it is it called the Adventures of Zelda? No.

T.C. De Witt:

It's Legend of Zelda. Okay. Okay. I misspoke.

David Geisler:

There is the adventure of link, the video game, of course, which is I think where you're pulling that from, which this cartoon includes some things from Zelda 2, the adventure of link.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. That, oh, boy. That show. But that's what we have been coming together to discuss every year.

David Geisler:

So this is pretty exciting because what we're we're right now, tonight, we're recording the AZP episode. Tomorrow morning, I think, actually, we're gonna record the Studio Demands episode where I'll be a guest on your show. And to our regular listeners, this is a normal thing. They all know it. And and, actually, I get a fair amount of feedback.

David Geisler:

I get feedback people, you know, finding listening to this one and then going checking out Studio Demands. And Studio Demands, it's a 65 show that I'm tremendously proud of. You guys are Thank you. Doing great. It's it's, I I'm not I'm very comfortable speaking very candidly about AZP and Studio being kind of the two main pillars of 6 5, and

T.C. De Witt:

I think that that's really, really cool. We're we're proud to to to live in your shadow. AZP way up there as tall as a brontosaurus. Oh, so

David Geisler:

Studio Demand is doing doing a doing a great job. It's it's really very exciting. So, yes, I'm getting a little bit lost because we don't have listener feedback this episode, and so I'm not sure how to transition into our topic because usually this is the part where I go, hey. Alright. Well, let's do listener feedback.

T.C. De Witt:

Well, I I'd be happy to say thanks to every time we come over here and visit. Mhmm. Every time I come over on to AZP, we always see a bump in student demands, it's listenership. And while our our engagement with our with our audience tends to be just the demands Yeah. With the, I'd say, 2,000 or so people who are in regular communication of feedback for episodes or have heard one of their heard their demand, and then give us follow-up.

David Geisler:

Reaching out as DMs or messages.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Exactly. It tends to be we have listeners who listen and don't don't tend to, like, engage with us in a communal way, which is fine. But what I wanna say is I wanna thank your listeners who've come over to Studio Demands and have stayed. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

That we we

David Geisler:

What's a fun show?

T.C. De Witt:

Thank you. Yeah. We it's always appreciated to to see that after we do these crossover episodes that we we managed to gain some new listenership or whatnot. And and there has been some I I don't have them with me right now, but there have been listeners who specifically said, hey. I came over here from AZP.

T.C. De Witt:

I really liked when you guys did this. And That's nice. What what I have found, at least from those those handful of occasions of AZP listeners who have come over to the studio demands it, they tend to be drawn towards the less I don't wanna say less popular. Like, we do IP like Star Wars and Pirates of the Caribbean Yeah. And the Marvel stuff.

T.C. De Witt:

Those are the big IPs that we play with. Then we have, like, smaller ones, like, that we'll do, like, a blade runner or Cannonball Run for the time. Cannonball Run, which I think is the 3rd episode of the entire series. We'll do some more less off the beaten path. Mhmm.

T.C. De Witt:

And the AZP listeners tend to comment on those more than they comment on mar, Marvel or Disney. Like, the site. Yeah. Just the the handful of ones that I can think off the top of my head have been, like, I came over here from AZP, and I really liked your Alien Frontier episode.

David Geisler:

Right. Got it.

T.C. De Witt:

It's it's just, I it's a different type

David Geisler:

of Frontier, if I may,

T.C. De Witt:

I just I

David Geisler:

wanna interrupt because, it was such a cool thing. You're basically you were tasked with making, like, an an alien sequel or something.

T.C. De Witt:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

But you basically took aliens and put them in the wild west.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. The the the the pitch on that one, the the demand on that one was was the success of Prey, which if you haven't seen the movie Prey, it is set in the Predator universe. It's on Hulu. It's so good. It's one of my favorite movies of last year.

T.C. De Witt:

But off the success of that, it was to take one of the other, we could have picked Robocop, Terminator, Alien. Take one of those franchises and put them in another time period.

David Geisler:

I see.

T.C. De Witt:

Jim loves cowboys. He season 3, our second to last episode, we did our demands that we got to pick.

David Geisler:

Oh, yeah. I remember that.

T.C. De Witt:

It was our pitches for, like, our dream projects. And Jim picked dead lands, which is this, cowboy zam like, undead role playing game. He pitched a film version of it.

David Geisler:

I remember this.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. So Jim loves cowboys. So when it came time for that demand, it was like, well, do we wanna do Terminator Pirates or do we wanna do Robo Cap gangsters? And it was like, no, cowboys, obviously.

David Geisler:

Seymour and cowboys.

T.C. De Witt:

Seymour and aliens. That's what it came down to.

David Geisler:

Oh, that is kinda similar, but I remember But it was different.

T.C. De Witt:

It was different. Like I

David Geisler:

remember you the the way you put it together, it was different. You had a really nice you had a nice progression of, like, the one act reveal and then the 2 act. And I remember there was one point where you almost accidentally had a herd of aliens. You're like, okay. We gotta pull that back.

David Geisler:

It's getting a little too nuts. Gotta keep it scary and stuff like that.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. That and and, since I think we'll air our our episode crossover will be out before this episode crossover. Correct?

David Geisler:

You know what? Honestly, I don't I've got the spreadsheet. It looks like this one this one's I this this episode might be coming out in a month. Okay. Oh, maybe it is after.

T.C. De Witt:

So then our AZP crossover with Studio Demands will come out before

David Geisler:

this. Interesting. But

T.C. De Witt:

I will say that our we've already selected our finale for the season, and the way studio demands it works is at the end of the season, we let the listeners green light one of our pitches, and we do a full production of the screenplay. And we

David Geisler:

and I need to say to our list, to the EZP listeners here, TC, when you say full production, you guys write a full feature length script.

T.C. De Witt:

Full feature film. We do a full table read with a cat full cast, score it, soundtrack it. Like, we do not hold back.

David Geisler:

Yeah. You came up with that idea at at the end of season 2, and I was like, oh my god. This is amazing. And you've been keeping it up the whole time. I mean, it's gotta be that talk about how much work goes into an episode.

T.C. De Witt:

I I I I got lost. 2 weeks of my life vanished when we did, I think, Justice League season 2, where, like, I, every day, was editing it, sound tracking it, scoring it, sound designing. Boom. Boom. Boom.

T.C. De Witt:

Boom. And when I find I was like, I did it, and I finished. And I looked at the calendar, and I'd worked for 13 days straight without realizing it. I was like, I disappeared. I I legitimately, like, that was what and it for such wonderful results.

T.C. De Witt:

Like, I'm not even remotely complaining about it. No. Yeah. Yeah. I streamlined it just a little bit for, Amazing Spider Man 3, which was last season.

T.C. De Witt:

Still took about a week and a half. Yeah. And we'll see this next our so, we've already announced our finale.

David Geisler:

It's going to be a Scooby Doo. Scooby Doo. Not spin off, but I'm re because you're calling it mystery.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Mystery Inc and the threshold of chaos is the title. But it's shorthand of that is we're doing a Scooby Doo movie. Yep. And

David Geisler:

And, actually, we I feel we should say that you take some of your favorite 4 or 5 top or favorite episodes,

T.C. De Witt:

and you do the season,

David Geisler:

and people vote. I'm sorry. You're going there?

T.C. De Witt:

No. No. That's yeah. I was gonna because it's kinda rope it back. I apologize.

T.C. De Witt:

No. That's okay. We we we pick the 5 or 5 or a 6 that we're like, we'll do these. These are the ones we want to do. Now audience, green light one of these for us.

T.C. De Witt:

So we put it to a vote. And this year, one of our we had a write in vote that beat out some of our actual candidates Yep. Which was Alien Frontier. Yep. That ended up getting 4th in the voting.

T.C. De Witt:

We had picked 6. It beats Star Wars. It beats Star Wars. I couldn't believe it. Like, I'm very excited and also super flattered that one of our listeners, Trevor Aki, I'll just name drop him every time.

David Geisler:

Sure.

T.C. De Witt:

He said, hey. Don't be afraid to do alien frontier just because it would be a lot of narration. Come on. I love that episode. I was like, campaign for it.

T.C. De Witt:

If you wanna do a write in, we'll accept a write in. And sure enough, the so there might have even been some ACP listeners, you know, like I said, that tend to draw towards the the the less popular franchises who might have been responsible for getting some write ins.

David Geisler:

Oh, interesting. Yeah. That was but I I recall that you I I I recall you and Jim speaking about how the only reason you one of the reasons you didn't put Alien Frontier on the list of things to do as your finale is because, yes, yes, you're writing a script. Yes, you're doing a full table read, but essentially, it's still as an audio medium. Yes.

David Geisler:

You know, and there would be so much stage direction and so much when you said narration, you're just like really just describing what's going on.

T.C. De Witt:

Right? This happens and this happens and this happens, which

David Geisler:

the alien hisses. The alien runs this way. Oh, it comes out of the darkness. Like and it was like, oh,

T.C. De Witt:

well, then maybe there wouldn't be

David Geisler:

as many, characters or voices going on.

T.C. De Witt:

But We we wanted to we wanted to take advantage of the audio medium of it and having a cast of characters. With Scooby Doo, which we're really excited to do, is we pitched an idea where there'd be duplicates, variance to use the Marvel term of characters. So multiple Shaggies, multiple Daphnis, and Velmas and Freds. And so now we're once we we're in the midst of writing the script right now, then it'll be a conversation of, should one actor read all the Freds, or should we have multiple actors read that stuff? That's that's something to to be, to be seen in in the future.

David Geisler:

Fun if it's one actor doing all of them.

T.C. De Witt:

So too. Yeah. Yep.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Interesting. Well, anyway, that's fantastic. Thank you. We're we're so it's so this is always a fun time.

David Geisler:

There's a lot of podcasts being made this weekend. A lot of 65 shows being recorded this weekend, and that's always a great thing. Mhmm. For us though, for for having you as a crossover onto AZP as a guest, we're kinda doing a little bit of a marathon here over the past 3 years.

T.C. De Witt:

Yep.

David Geisler:

Every time we get together, we watch 3 of the Legend of Zelda cartoon episodes, which we did speak to a few minutes ago.

T.C. De Witt:

Excuse me, princess.

David Geisler:

We are technically on part 3. We watched, for the most part, the the next 3 episodes in this show. We found out there's 13 episodes. There's only 1 season, 13 episodes. I thought it was 12.

David Geisler:

We found out it was 13. Of course, the thing about the legend of Zelda cartoon show is that it was part of the Super Mario Brothers super show Mhmm. That would play a depending on where you lived, I know some people talked about it playing in the mornings. I think in Kenosha, it played it. Kenosha, Wisconsin, where both you and I are from.

T.C. De Witt:

I think

David Geisler:

it was, like, 3 PM. It was, like, just as you're getting home.

T.C. De Witt:

I remember I remember it in

David Geisler:

the morning. You remember morning 1?

T.C. De Witt:

The Mario Super Show in the morning.

David Geisler:

Okay. That could be Yeah. But then the big thing was is that, the zelle every Friday was a Zelda cartoon, not a Mario Brothers cartoon. And I always thought that was so cool because I always thought, like, oh, Fridays, you've been all grown up, and it's like the Zelda cartoon.

T.C. De Witt:

Sounds like you're silly little Mario.

David Geisler:

Right. A little bit. Because, like, they were like, the drawings of some of these characters are a little a little scary for, like, a little kid.

T.C. De Witt:

Sure. Like, more realistic, I guess.

David Geisler:

Yeah. I mean, Ganon's kinda scary looking just because the line all the distortions and stuff.

T.C. De Witt:

Mhmm. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

So, what we're gonna do as we normally do, we're gonna discuss the next three episodes. And we realized that actually when we recorded our 2nd episode almost 2 years ago, TC, our, the last time we did an Excuse Me Princess episode, we accidentally watched one of the episodes out of order because the DVD set we had had the episodes in the wrong order.

T.C. De Witt:

And didn't have an episode Yeah. Which was, the Unicorn episode we watched today.

David Geisler:

So we straightened things out. We we found these episodes, honestly, just on YouTube. Mhmm. I don't mind saying it. We do have the DVDs that's still, here, but we just got it all sorted out.

David Geisler:

So today, we watched Underworld Connections, which is episode 7. Mhmm. Then we skipped backwards to see episode 5, sing for the unicorn.

T.C. De Witt:

Sing for the unicorn.

David Geisler:

Yep. And then we end with stinging the stinger, which was episode 9.

T.C. De Witt:

So we went 759. Yep. It not that there's a continuity in this series.

David Geisler:

You know, I'd like to speak to that a little bit because I'm starting to sense something Okay. About these things. So let's let's just get into this. We've I remember the first time we watched the first three.

T.C. De Witt:

We were Bump my mic again. I apologize.

David Geisler:

Oh, it's all good. We were awestruck. We were bamboozled, we were flabbergasted about how ridiculous this cartoon felt. The first our first episode, Excuse Me, Princess Part 1.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

We were like a if I'm if I may, I'll say I was. I think we both kind of agreed though. Like, I was offended by Link's behavior. I was offended by his chauvinism. I was offended by his, his toxic masculinity.

David Geisler:

All the stuff. And we we dissected it a little bit. We some of it we were able to write off to the times that this show was made early eighties and what was deemed funny and appropriate and acceptable back then. And then we came up with a lot of different conclusions. So I have thoughts about the 3 episodes that we just watched tonight.

David Geisler:

We literally just watched them and came right over on the other side of this desk and, and now we're talking about it. Mhmm. I took some notes. So this is all this is a very emotional reaction because we just watched these things and that's kinda how we did an episode 2 as well Sure. And even episode 1.

David Geisler:

So I'd like to ask you first, I mean, it's a simple question, TC, but what was it like watching the next 3 episodes for you after after almost doing this for 2 or 3 years?

T.C. De Witt:

It's I'm not gonna say it's better because it's still not a great show. Yeah. But to speak to your point of sort of the misogyny that the original couple episodes have, Zelda and Link kinda seem to have more of a camaraderie now.

David Geisler:

There's a little there's, like, a little bit of growth. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

It's just a little bit. This is so silly to talk about such a silly show in these terms, but I'm I'm not ashamed to do it. Yeah. It feels like either the writers got their stuff together or they or they allowed the characters to become a little better friends to each other. Mhmm.

T.C. De Witt:

It doesn't seem as combative. It is like, give me a kiss, princess. I'm gonna get that kiss. Oh, no. Like Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

Which Now

David Geisler:

it's like, maybe a kiss, please. And she's like, maybe. Maybe.

T.C. De Witt:

And and 2 of these episodes, he almost does where she's like Okay. And then they get interrupted. Yes. Which, honestly, if if the show had chosen that as the gag from the beginning Mhmm. It would have been a better choice.

T.C. De Witt:

Because now now the idea of, like, oh, he almost gets a kiss, and it gets they get interrupted by the action of the episode.

David Geisler:

Yeah. I think almost every single episode, there's, like, the prompt for his, she actually almost goes in for a kiss, Princess Zelda, and then there is an interruption. It's like, ugh.

T.C. De Witt:

And that I think it was episode 9 where, like,

David Geisler:

god.

T.C. De Witt:

It interrupted every time.

David Geisler:

Every time. And so then now his motivation for the whole episode basically is trying to get a kiss at the end.

T.C. De Witt:

Let's let's wrap up this thing. Let me be here real quick and then try. And then she's always like, no. Not not now. I don't You'll never get that

David Geisler:

that Zelda kiss. We'll just see if it happens in episode 13.

T.C. De Witt:

Oh, I hope he finally gets that kiss. Ay ay ay. So I think that it I I don't wanna say it's better because the show still is pretty shot.

David Geisler:

I know. I'm shot it. It is. I'm wondering, are we just getting used to it?

T.C. De Witt:

No. We don't know. We've been it's we've been dentoned to it. So I guess it's just like, yeah, whatever. We've we've

David Geisler:

Yeah. Every every excuse me, princess. Every like, he he actively tries to he actively makes like, there was a there was I mean, the way we usually do these episodes, TCL, remind you is we just jump around through all 3

T.C. De Witt:

episodes. Yeah. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. But there was in sign sing for the unicorn or sign for the unicorn. What do you think is

T.C. De Witt:

sing for the unicorn? Sound.

David Geisler:

Thank you. There's a second we can talk about the second female character that shows up, why and how. Oh my gosh. Yeah. But when that character shows up, Link is immediately hitting on her.

T.C. De Witt:

He's like, my lucky day. Look at her. Yeah. Hey,

David Geisler:

baby. And then and then she speaks in, like, a a different language, which

T.C. De Witt:

was a strong choice, which we

David Geisler:

can talk about a little bit later as well. But then immediately, he's right there with Zelda. Mhmm. And, he says something like, may I'll find a way to communicate with her that doesn't use language or something. It was like something really horrible.

T.C. De Witt:

It went right back

David Geisler:

to that. And and but the reason I'm bringing this up is because both you and I it's like, I think 2 years ago when we watched the first couple episodes, something like that would happen and we'd be like, oh, god. Fuck. Duh. This is unbelievable.

David Geisler:

Right. And we we get all get all flustered. And now we just, like, look at each other in our eyes. We're like, ugh. That's where it's at.

T.C. De Witt:

Link doing his thing.

David Geisler:

But I think that reaction so I do think we're getting a little used to it and Desensitized. Desensitized. It doesn't make it any better.

T.C. De Witt:

You know what I mean?

David Geisler:

So it's it's interesting to feel that way. Because I was always taking my notes for these episodes that actually have a a fair amount of notes, but a less so less of it was on, like, the inappropriateness of Link.

T.C. De Witt:

It it that it did seem like there was less of it. I and even there's an episode where he's gonna, like, swing over to swoop into her, like, her dad. So Link's I'm sorry. Zelda's daddy, comes up. It's like, Link's about to swing on a rope into Zelda's room, and and the king is like, what are you doing?

T.C. De Witt:

He's like, I was gonna He tell he just he

David Geisler:

straightforward says it.

T.C. De Witt:

I was gonna swing into your daughter's room and steal a kiss. And he's like, well, you can't do that, not without flowers. Flowers. Why didn't I think of that?

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. The dad, like, helps. He's like, well, if you wanna kiss my daughter, give her flowers. Go for her, kid.

David Geisler:

And then he even but then he says something, like, very eighties where he's like, all women like flowers or something.

T.C. De Witt:

So, yeah, that better but desensitized, I suppose.

David Geisler:

Maybe a little desensitized. Maybe there is just a a sliver of growth with these characters. I did notice another thing. Link is a little more capable these days. He's being a little bit more of a hero.

T.C. De Witt:

I made a note of it that he's he's flipping around like Spider Man and actually not bumbling and stupid in his way through through winning the day.

David Geisler:

The early episodes, he was always just making mistakes and Zelda had to do all the work.

T.C. De Witt:

I do appreciate that Zelda remains an active participant in the heroicism, where she's I think there's only been one episode in this entire run where she's kidnapped and he has to save her. Other than that, the 2 of them are always working together to stop canon.

David Geisler:

I agree. Yeah. Absolutely. Like the

T.C. De Witt:

3 episodes we have here, the underworld episode, sing the unicorn, and and stinging the stinger. The 2 of them work together in all 3 episodes.

David Geisler:

Yeah. And they're trading items and stuff like that. Yeah. The I have I I need to look at my notes here for a second. I can speak to in the underworld connections.

David Geisler:

Let's see. Oh, yeah. Yeah. When Link is about to swing over

T.C. De Witt:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Zelda is like almost holding a cocktail, by the way. You know she has, like, a straw.

T.C. De Witt:

He's he's, he's walking sleepwalking across a rope. So he sleepwalking

David Geisler:

Oh, that's a different episode. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

Sleepwalking shoots the arrow, and then he sleepwalks across the rope that he's just walking to her, and then she splashes him in the face of the cocktail with a straw. Just a little and she's like, what are you doing? He's like, I was sleepwalking.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. And then he definitely excuses his, inappropriate behavior due to, like, well, sorry, babe. I was sleep yeah. Right?

David Geisler:

Okay. Come on. Not cool. But, also, I couldn't help. We like, the Link's short shirt has returned.

T.C. De Witt:

Mhmm. What's under that short shirt?

David Geisler:

Well, we found out in this episode He did. Yeah. That he spends many up his pajamas, his pj's are just like a a blue shirt that's just long enough.

T.C. De Witt:

Just, you know. Just for that

David Geisler:

upper thigh. Just dead. Okay. Just down to that upper thigh. And he was doing a bunch of different acrobatics in this episode and, you know, the the things were drawn carefully.

David Geisler:

And I was like, what is this necessary? Why are we doing this? Why can't he just have pajamas on?

T.C. De Witt:

It was all for a joke. So they hang upside down.

David Geisler:

And he had heart shaped underwear or heart, you know, underwear with hearts on it. So now we know.

T.C. De Witt:

Classic cartoon hearts with, hearts on the underwear. Yeah. There there was something in that episode though that I actually liked. Yeah. This time I Not not just actually liked, but it felt like, oh, you should have done this from the beginning.

David Geisler:

Okay.

T.C. De Witt:

Those little batty things come swooping in.

David Geisler:

Oh, the virus?

T.C. De Witt:

The virus come in. They grab the Triforce because there's the 2 pieces of the Triforce in this show, and they break it into 3 pieces. Yes. They made a Triforce. They and and then link and Zelda go on a quest to find the 2 missing pieces because they have the 3rd piece.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. And as far as a a plot contrivance goes, taking the item, breaking it into 3, and then making that the the journey of the show, the original Zelda Legend of Zelda was 9 pieces.

David Geisler:

Well, so here's where it gets a little weird. The original Legend of Zelda, there were only 2 pieces of the Triforce. Okay. And so the the show's kind of accurate in that way.

T.C. De Witt:

Weren't there 8 dungeons plus canon though?

David Geisler:

Yes. Okay. So one of the 2 and they were almost called Triforce just because they were triangles. It wasn't like that there was 3.

T.C. De Witt:

Oh, yeah. See, I'm thinking And literally. Yeah.

David Geisler:

No. No. It's okay. Because obviously, the the actual Triforce thing came in, you know. I think it was Link's awake or Link to the Past is when really there was like 3, the Super Nintendo one part of me.

T.C. De Witt:

But

David Geisler:

in that very first one, there is only 2 triangles and one of them breaks into 8 pieces and that's what Link has to go get. Okay. And that might be power or courage. I can't remember. I think it's only power and courage.

David Geisler:

Maybe it's

T.C. De Witt:

It's wisdom because in the

David Geisler:

What one's missing?

T.C. De Witt:

The cartoon is wisdom because they remembered the freaking Triforce talks. Triforce of wisdom, what should we do? Yeah. You should do this.

David Geisler:

And wisdom is Zelda's Triforce, so it

T.C. De Witt:

kinda makes sense that the Triforce of

David Geisler:

Wisdom is in Zelda's castle.

T.C. De Witt:

But I like the idea that it got broken into pieces, and then they quested to find the 2 missing pieces. That could have been the plot of the show. That instead of Every episode be another piece. Finding another piece of it. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. But maybe that's a that's a conversation for Tomorrow morning? For tomorrow possibly.

David Geisler:

Because I feel like I don't know what our demand is, but we've done an on suit demands that we've done making a Zelda game. We've done making a Zelda movie. Mhmm. 2 movies today. Yeah.

David Geisler:

2. Yeah. We did 2. I've I've seen some of the general comments on Twitter so far and it feels like we might be making a TV show tomorrow, but I really don't know. We'll see.

David Geisler:

The structure the music music is just completely on point in this show though. That's one note that I made. Like, all the songs are kind of like really they're all actual really the Zelda songs. Mhmm. They're kind of timed at the right times.

David Geisler:

You know, the the main theme plays about when it probably should. There's a couple iterations. There was like a harp version of the Zelda song in the beginning. Mhmm. There's the main thing.

David Geisler:

Another thing that I thought was really cool is that in this in at least in the episode underworld connections, which is kind of the one we're focusing on right now. For the first time in my recollection, Ganon was was in his lair zip zapping around. He was

T.C. De Witt:

porting He was teleporting. Teleporting around. Yeah. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Just like he does in the game. In the original game. And it was even the right noise and stuff. And it was almost he was teleporting almost unnecessarily. So he was jumping around a room through 3, 4, 5 times in like a single sentence sometimes, And it actually kinda lines up with his behavior as the final boss in the first game, where in which he's just popping in and out that same room all over the place.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. That's kinda cool.

T.C. De Witt:

Well, not just the music and and to the idea of, like, accurately portraying game in such a way. The sound effects. Like, they're use it sounds like they're using the sound effects straight from there.

David Geisler:

Almost from the game. Some of it, like, the sword when the sword shoots, it's true.

T.C. De Witt:

Whatever it is. When they get the boomerang, like, the the when the characters are exploded, like, they're using all the sound effects from, a lot of the sound effects from the game, which to to that point, I was involved with a Halo fan film several years back. Oh, yeah. I recall. Which is available on YouTube if you wanna watch it.

T.C. De Witt:

It's called Halo the Fallen.

David Geisler:

I did not know that.

T.C. De Witt:

That's right. It's a it's like an hour long, like, it's a full not just a short film. But anyway Yeah. And it's the sound design for it's utilized the sound design from the Halo games. And there's the battle rifle, which is the standard rifle that characters play with, and then there's the the DMR right the DM rifle, the DMR, which has a better sound effect to it.

T.C. De Witt:

And so the sound designer chose to use the DMR sound effect for the battle rifle sound effects. And you better believe there's at least a 100 comments on that YouTube page. It's like, they use the DMR sound effects for the battle rifle sound effects. And listen. The battle rifle sound effects in real life don't sound as dynamic or as cool as the the other rifle sound effect.

David Geisler:

Okay.

T.C. De Witt:

And so it just makes a a a better cinematic experience to hear the less accurate sound effect. So to hear the 8 bit Nintendo sound effects in this, while accurate

David Geisler:

I see.

T.C. De Witt:

I I'm as a, more of a late I've I've played Zelda. I like it. You are obviously far more of an expert than I am. I'm curious. You're it feels like you're

David Geisler:

a casual Zelda fan. Like, you've got some ocarina in your past. You've got Jordan Staples. Yeah. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

So pretty much like the standards. I mean, they're all standards. Right? Mhmm. But some I'm curious.

David Geisler:

How do you feel about the 5th dungeon of Oracle of Ages and how it relates to the 2nd dungeon of Oracle of Seasons? If

T.C. De Witt:

if we're gonna talk dungeons, they made Zelda or they made Link go a water temple in the first trying to find that triforce piece. Yeah. They kinda did. That that was the hardest temple in the game. Anyway, I'm wondering if how you feel about the sound effects being so accurate.

T.C. De Witt:

Does that make you smile?

David Geisler:

Or It hits my nostalgia button.

T.C. De Witt:

Okay. Yeah.

David Geisler:

It does. When and then, like, there's that kind of, like, in tele I think we spoke about this in a previous maybe it was an episode 2 of this little series. The in the in a video game, Link has the inventory and he carries all the things. And, of course, even in Breath of the Wild, he's carrying 9,000,000 things. You don't see any of it on him.

David Geisler:

And that's just video game miness for video gaminess. Yeah. Gamey way me stuff. And in the TV show, they kind of try to explain it. They justify it.

David Geisler:

Yeah. And the idea is that the items shrink down into, like, you know, just like little, like, toy size piece pieces. Like the micro machines.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. And

David Geisler:

every time a character is like, okay, here's a boomerang. It's almost like it's a little bit like it's a little ant man almost a little bit. And it's and it starts small and it grows and they do use the bah bah bah bah noise effect. And it's cool. It's cool.

David Geisler:

I think that one might've been rerecorded. Some of the sound effects really truly are the 8 bit sound effects.

T.C. De Witt:

Sounds exactly like Yeah. When he shoot. Oh, that's a different point. The, the fact that he never uses that sword as a sword, it's always used as a gun. Well, I kinda wanted to speak

David Geisler:

to that because you mentioned it real quick, and I actually put it in my notes here.

T.C. De Witt:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

You and I I have mentioned this on the show before, but I wanna remind you of the, the rule about children and repeatable actions. Do you remember this? Yes.

T.C. De Witt:

I do remember this. Yeah.

David Geisler:

It's a very important thing when it comes to children's cartoons that the violence in a children's cartoon has to be a non repeatable action is how, like, the the censorship board or whatever kinda like treats this. So if if a character takes a stick from a tree and starts smacking people with the stick Mhmm. That is more offensive in those rules. But based on the rules that the whatever the sensors are that, you know, I don't know if it's the NPA or I don't even notice. But, and but if a character uses a super zappy space gun that blasts goop on people.

T.C. De Witt:

Pew. Pew.

David Geisler:

Yeah. That's okay. Because the idea is a kid can be after the cartoon's done, a kid could go into their backyard, get a stick and start hitting other kids with sticks. Right. A kid cannot get super goopy space gun and blasted onto aliens.

David Geisler:

And so that's why you'll see that kind of stuff. And I think not only is Link shooting his sword beam technically means he's super powered up and that's always a very exciting moment when you're playing the game. Mhmm. And it also allows them to do the sound effect, but it allows them to defeat the enemies without any kind of actual violence. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

They just zap out of existence. And Link is doing a non repeatable violent act. You know, his the violent action is non repeatable.

T.C. De Witt:

Those darn parents trying to

David Geisler:

protect their kids. I mean, to a certain degree, I've took completely get it. You know what I mean?

T.C. De Witt:

Oh, of course. Yeah. I'm I'm being annoying, but it's it it makes absolute sense. And

David Geisler:

Like, it's like, it it can be pushed to, like, slightly silly levels Mhmm. Because you can also have kids running around with Nerf guns that are just emulating them. But, like, it's that's a conversation for another time.

T.C. De Witt:

No. It's it's that it makes perfect sense. And, honestly, if you're a fan of, say, like, the Batman animated series from the nineties, they loved using robots

David Geisler:

Yes.

T.C. De Witt:

In the Batman animated series because you can decapitate a robot.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Well, it's also phantom menace rules. Like, let's bring in the CGI robots so that you can slice and dice them.

T.C. De Witt:

Can mutilate those things because they're robots. They're not they're not gonna be spraying blood. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

It's true. Yeah. So so that's why so that's why yeah. He doesn't offer I think we did see in one of the episodes, he did do a little bit of sword fighting.

T.C. De Witt:

Doing some sword fighting. It stuck out to me. It stuck

David Geisler:

out to me. Stuck out.

T.C. De Witt:

Stuck out.

David Geisler:

There's some clinks and clanks in one of them. Maybe it was the sing for the unicorn one. Some final notes that I have about underworld connections. Maybe we are going a little bit more in order because we took more notes this time than previously. And then we'll we'll go to break here.

T.C. De Witt:

My first note. Less offended. Good.

David Geisler:

Really? Seriously?

T.C. De Witt:

Well, you had mentioned it. I wanted to make sure.

David Geisler:

No. The del okay. Gannon, tell me The shrinking items, we talked about that. They use a compass in this episode. Yeah.

David Geisler:

It works a little different than what how the compass works in the game, but it looked a lot like it. Yeah. I was, like, pointing around. Some other characters that appeared that were baddies in the game, some ropes appeared. And yes, I do mean the snakes Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Which are called ropes for

T.C. De Witt:

some reason. Zelda pulled out a rope. She's like, I have a rope. And I said, that's not a snake.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. The Aquamentis was in this in this, in this, episode and the Aquamentus

T.C. De Witt:

is I always thought it

David Geisler:

was a dragon, but it's like a unicorn beast creature that is the main it's the it's the boss battle for the very first dungeon

T.C. De Witt:

in the

David Geisler:

first summon. And I think every not everyone. Most people have at least gotten to Aquamentus, in the in the 1st dungeon.

T.C. De Witt:

I can I can attest to that? I've at least gotten there.

David Geisler:

With horns sticking out, he shoots the fireballs forward and she and stuff

T.C. De Witt:

like that. Yep.

David Geisler:

The Black Falls, is that a location that they went to? I don't know why I have that in here. Oh, by accident? I think Breath of the Wild stole shield surfing from this cartoon.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. That's right. Because he he rides a wave of flames. Flame flame surfing is what he calls it.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. So so Link, like, grabs his shield, jumps up in the air, puts the shield on his feet, I guess, and like snowboards whatever on the shield. Mhmm. He he shield surfs.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. Just like you do in Breath of

T.C. De Witt:

the Wild. Just like you do in Breath of the Wild.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Of course, Breath of the Wild comes out, you know, 20, 30 years later. And then it's true then then later on, you're right. He does it to go over flame.

T.C. De Witt:

Mhmm. And he His his wooden shield is fine, everyone. Just calm calm down.

David Geisler:

But apparently, the flame has enough lift that he's able to not only go across the fire for multiple seconds, but also enough time to say the sentence, flame surfing. Yeah. So great or something like that.

T.C. De Witt:

Well, honestly, the action in that episode was I had mentioned earlier, he's jumping around like Spider Man at this point. There's some effort made in in the action sequences of of at least a couple of these episodes tonight.

David Geisler:

Absolutely. I I wanna say one final comment before we go to our break here. I couldn't help but notice, but all three episodes, he's often referred to literally as hero.

T.C. De Witt:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Almost as if it's his name. Okay, hero. Let's go. Let's go hero. Yeah.

David Geisler:

And that's fine. That's cool. But the link from the legend of Zelda is often referred to as the hero. So, what I mean by this is like, let's use the breath of the wild costumes as an example.

T.C. De Witt:

When

David Geisler:

you're getting different outfits in breath of the wild and of course, by extension, tears of the kingdom. And if you're unlocking some of the classic costumes, you can unlock the the Link costume. It looks like he's from Twilight Princess. The one that looks like he's from Wind Waker. The one that looks like he's from the original Legend of Zelda.

David Geisler:

Yeah. The way they title these things in Breath of the Wild is it'll be if it's the little hat, it'll be the cap of time is the Ocarina looking one. Mhmm. The cap of twilight is the Twilight Princess looking one. The cap of the sky is the skyward sword 1.

David Geisler:

The cap of winds is the wind waker 1. And it the cap of the hero is the original one. Hey. Kinda something there.

T.C. De Witt:

Okay. You know,

David Geisler:

the tunic of the hero, the, pants it's the pants of the hero or whatever it's actually called in the game.

T.C. De Witt:

When I you probably maybe you know this or not. Was he called link right from the beginning? Because you can name your file on that game.

David Geisler:

So Breath of the Wild was the first Zelda game where you couldn't name Link. Okay. Like like, there's no save file and there's no naming. Link is Link. Yeah.

David Geisler:

In all the other Zelda games, especially in the beginning Mhmm. You would you would name Link whatever you wanted him to be referred as.

T.C. De Witt:

Butts McCracken.

David Geisler:

There was one, like, my dude is a really is a popular one. Yeah. Because then just the way the commas work out, people are like, you gotta help me, my dude.

T.C. De Witt:

You gotta help me, my dude. Yeah. This is a

David Geisler:

bit immature, but it is funny. Kate, one of my original co hosts, she did a Ocarina playthrough where she literally named him I farted. And apparently apparently some hilarity ensues in the in the text boxes if you do that.

T.C. De Witt:

What are we gonna do? I farted.

David Geisler:

Listen. I farted. We have to go here. Okay. Alright.

David Geisler:

Alright. Alright. We just we are getting as juvenile as this cartoon right now.

T.C. De Witt:

Excuse me, David.

David Geisler:

Oh, man. I always wanted to, like, count how many times he said, because one of the episodes I think the one, Sing For the Unicorn, which maybe we'll talk about

T.C. De Witt:

You said, like, 12 times.

David Geisler:

Yeah. That one, I think I think it was, like, all over the place. So let's go to break, and we'll come back, and maybe we'll do the Unicorn episode. Sound good?

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Here's some messages from 65 Media. Woah. Thanks for the outro.

David Geisler:

Oh, okay.

David Geisler:

The sun just comes out of nowhere.

T.C. De Witt:

I know. I don't know where that came from. My my next note for episode sing of the unicorn, if I may jump right into it. Let's do it. Zelda, stop saying daddy.

T.C. De Witt:

You're a grown like, she's a she's a young woman, and every time she talks about the king Daddy.

David Geisler:

I know. And I'm sure, like, in the script, it said daddy, and it's it's a little unfortunate because the way the grown woman performs it, for me was uncomfortable.

T.C. De Witt:

It was you know, for once, Link wasn't the one causing the discomfort in watching this. It was watching a 20 something year old Zelda. Just call her dad daddy all

David Geisler:

the time. It it got to a point where it's almost like the excuse me. I think it's happened, like, 9 or

T.C. De Witt:

10 times.

David Geisler:

And it was kinda, like, repeated way too much. It's

T.C. De Witt:

like, alright. We didn't

David Geisler:

know what to do.

T.C. De Witt:

Just father.

David Geisler:

Oh, this is the girls are crazy about flowers episode. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The swinging

T.C. De Witt:

in. But, also, there's some competency competency. Competency? I lost the who's who's got

David Geisler:

I'm the one this time.

T.C. De Witt:

Who's got brain fog now? When Zelda, like, leaps Zelda's the one in the green outfit right now. When Link jumps into action, he springboards. Like, he throws the chest down on the table, then uses that as a springboard to launch himself in it. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

I was like, that was a real competent move there. Good job, Link. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. You kinda diving boards it.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

Oh, yeah. In this episode, Ganon takes out 2 of his own baddies. Yeah. That's that's that's almost that's like war crime stuff right there.

T.C. De Witt:

That's cutthroat right there. Yeah. Link He's not joking around. Link saves himself by grabbing a couple of those flying things and he's like Fires. I did it.

T.C. De Witt:

Gan is like, not not not for long. Pew pew.

David Geisler:

Zaps the 2 fires. They disappear. And then Link starts falling. And then well, this was the also the we had a nice game reference in this one where, when Link and Zelda are traveling to go, I don't know, get get Ganon, we had our first, at least I think in the show, our first representation of the frozen dark knots and the the

T.C. De Witt:

Oh, right. The statues that are

David Geisler:

frozen, which is all over the place in the first legend of Zelda game. They're just a single sprite, but if you bump up against them, they blink and then they start chasing around. Maybe you've kind of experienced this TC, maybe you haven't.

T.C. De Witt:

I have. Yeah. Just in my day to day life. Like, sometimes I'm out and about and

David Geisler:

I will bump into things and they'll They start chasing you.

T.C. De Witt:

Animate start chasing me and then I just go to the next load screen and they're gone.

David Geisler:

Yeah. That's really the way to take care of it. I just go yeah. I just find a I find a cave, a nearby cave and I go inside. Touch them.

David Geisler:

But one thing that's also kinda cool too is Zelda uses her bow to take out one of the dark nuts and I don't know if they're called dark nuts back then though. They might be a slight they might be a different enemy, but we all know that this the the frozen statues in the first game. Mhmm.

T.C. De Witt:

So I feel like dark nut didn't come

David Geisler:

around till Wind Waker, but I could be mistaken. Anyways, so she pulls out her bow and she uses a a light arrow. Yeah. Which is cool because that is canonically accurate to her having the light arrow in Legend of Zelda.

T.C. De Witt:

The I I had a I had made a note of this, and this is a lengthier conversation point. When did Zelda become a hero? Because in the original game, it's Link versus Ganon. Yeah. Zelda's involvement is

David Geisler:

It's it's it's Super Mario Brothers. You literally see a sprite of her after you beat Ganon, and that's it.

T.C. De Witt:

That's it. When did Zelda actually become an active participant in the in the story? Yeah. And then when did she become an active hero in the story?

David Geisler:

Of any of the Zelda games? Yeah. The the for for me, not even so much A Link to the Past. For me, it's ocarina of time.

T.C. De Witt:

I agree.

David Geisler:

It's the first time where she she's

T.C. De Witt:

She's got it.

David Geisler:

She's like she's she's she throws the light arrows to link, doesn't she, during that Ganon battle after the castle's crushed?

T.C. De Witt:

And she's Sheik in it.

David Geisler:

Well, yeah. I mean, that's

T.C. De Witt:

a good point. She's she's, like, full on got an alter ego superhero version of herself.

David Geisler:

Yeah. You're absolutely right.

T.C. De Witt:

And I I wondered if that was unique. Like, that's where that began because then she's she's a playable character in Smash Brothers. Sure. We've seen her as an active participant as an as a hero since. Did did Ocarina of Time start that in terms of the game?

David Geisler:

I mean, it might have. And one one thing that's interesting is, of course, Majora's Mask was right after Ocarina, but but really this this this the next one was Wind Waker.

T.C. De Witt:

Right. And she's not in she's not in Majora.

David Geisler:

She's not in Majora just because it takes place in a different, yeah, yeah, different like Yeah. Well, it's debatable if it's a different time, land, place, or conscious state. But in Wind Waker, she also brings the light arrows to the final battle, but the twist is she's the one firing them. And so then you're trying to actually make again and walk in certain directions. You're distracting him so she can shoot him.

David Geisler:

So she's cool.

T.C. De Witt:

Shots in. Yeah.

David Geisler:

So they even kinda leveled up her abilities there where it's the same concept light arrows. The light arrows have breath of the wild as well. But instead of her just being like, here you go, Link, use these. Now she's like, I got them. Just put them in the right spot for me Yeah.

David Geisler:

Which is kinda cool. So I feel like her being this active I mean, she doesn't she's not even in the first game. Like, I mean, she is but she is not as certainly not as playable character and not anything in the second game, the adventure of link, which these were the 2 games that were out when this cartoon came out. And we've seen that they heavily referenced the first game and they slightly referenced the second game. But in the second game, she starts the game asleep.

David Geisler:

It's Sleeping Beauty.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

And you try to get to the end to like wake her

T.C. De Witt:

up. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

And I mean, I'm starting to realize something. It's kissing time, you know, like, actually, both of those first two games, their story not specifically is about kissing, but it's not much more complicated than Save the princess. Get the princess.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. It was a different time. Girl boss Zelda was was a long time coming. But that's not entirely true because she is very active in this. The reason I even and Well, right.

T.C. De Witt:

Made that note is that she's yeah. You she pulled out the light arrows. She's as much she is as much involved in the fighting as Link is.

David Geisler:

100%. And that's that's to the credit of the writers.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Yeah. And and seeing that we're on episode we went back in time for We're

David Geisler:

kind of on we've kind of done the first 9 now, though a little out of order.

T.C. De Witt:

By the time episode 9 airs and and kinda just looking I'm wondering if maybe, just maybe, as the first couple episodes came out, someone who cared more than Yeah. Than Yeah. Initially care like, stepped in to be like, guys, come on. We can do better than this. This the fans deserve Mhmm.

T.C. De Witt:

At least a little bit better than this.

David Geisler:

Or even just subconsciously, if it flows to something a little bit, you know, do I mean, do you feel like this thing had a pilot? Do you feel like episode 1's a pilot, or do you think this is just a 13 episode order? Or is it a pilot and a 12 episode order?

T.C. De Witt:

No. I think I I don't I it doesn't strike me as a traditional, especially from the eighties pilot then go to order. Right. Because it was a part of the Super Mario hour, or the Super Super Mario show.

David Geisler:

Super show.

T.C. De Witt:

Super show. Right? It was probably pitched very quickly, like, we'll do Mario 4 days a week, and we'll do Zelda. We'll do Mario 4 days a

David Geisler:

week. Yeah. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

So it it was the Mario Super Show that likely had a pilot with an order.

David Geisler:

I see.

T.C. De Witt:

And then the adventures is all the,

David Geisler:

love saying that.

T.C. De Witt:

Yes. I don't know why. I mean, that sounds like a good game. The the legend of Zelda was probably part of that package deal and and so on and so forth. But I do feel like as we've seen this unfold, there does appear to be just slightly more references, slightly more accurate references as each episode comes along.

T.C. De Witt:

And it's either because someone cared more

David Geisler:

Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

Or they were so thin on ideas that they literally were playing the game to figure it out.

David Geisler:

Well, that you bring up another point then too because to to counterbalance that observation, which I do agree with you on, we also had in 2 of these episodes, certainly, stinging the stinger and in Sing for the Unicorn Mhmm. We are just like out of nowhere characters show up. Let's talk about Xing.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. What was this care this kidnapped unicorn comes is that Ganon has gotten out of nowhere has an owner. Right?

David Geisler:

What has an what?

T.C. De Witt:

Has an owner. She she she's the one who pops up and is like

David Geisler:

Oh, yeah. The unicorn comes out of nowhere, which I don't think there's a unicorn in the first game, which is fine. And then there's, like, a a a person from another land.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. That was Zing. Right? Zing. Yeah.

David Geisler:

And and she speaks Chibre. Like, I don't even know if I can recreate it. It's like That's pretty good. Yeah. That's what it was.

T.C. De Witt:

As soon as it met like, when she showed up, I was like, chic? Well, I said it too. I was like,

David Geisler:

is it I mean, obviously not because this gate this cartoon was before, but it

T.C. De Witt:

was like, oh, is this like 20 years before.

David Geisler:

Though though the whole, like, pull the mask off and it's a girl trope happened. Mhmm. You know, take the helmet off the motorcycle. I know it's a girl thing. It's Samus.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. It was a girl the whole time. But the the first thing Link says when that when that comes off, because I put it in here, he goes, a dream come true. And then he talks about trying to figure out ways to communicate with her.

David Geisler:

Okay. Now repeatable actions, the zap. A zap, you won't make link. Oh, Yeah. So again, a little bit with the nonviolent language and kids show and non repeatable actions, I noticed something.

David Geisler:

The verbiage changed with Ganon. In in 2 of the episodes that we watched tonight, Link and Zelda are able to get Ganon down to his what would be the equivalent of his last heart if it was the video game.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. His last life point. And in one of them, Link said in both of them, Link warns, again, in other words, informs the audience. Hey. You got one one more hit and we've got you, Gannon.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. And he calls them zaps.

T.C. De Witt:

One more zap. So he

David Geisler:

doesn't say hit or strike or anything like that. One more zap and and he said Toast. Basically, one was something like, and you'll be finished or you're toast. And then the second one was very odd and I think it was in this in the unicorn episode. He said, one more zap and your energy will be depleted.

T.C. De Witt:

Yes. I do remember that.

David Geisler:

It was a little weird. Yeah. It was like you know, and I was I was fine with it actually. But Change phrasing. Yeah.

David Geisler:

It's like the least aggressive way to say it, you know. One more zap and your energy will be it's like it was almost like a a literal line, like, yes. He might he almost might as well have said, like, one more zap and you'll lose that final heart. But anyway

T.C. De Witt:

It's the it's the text as you're playing an older game where you keep trying and trying to do do something. It's it's assist assistive text to be like Yeah. One more zap will do it. Wink wink.

David Geisler:

And then but what's also funny is in both situations, Gannon immediately replies with,

T.C. De Witt:

and that's a zap you won't make, Link. And then he then he teleports away. Yeah.

David Geisler:

And that's all I've got for a unicorn, but maybe we can still talk a little more about Zane. I know the the one that episode was hard for me to track. There was plenty of action. Mhmm. But, the idea that it was it's okay.

David Geisler:

I don't wanna get nitpicky and critique too much, but, like, it really wasn't about the unicorn. I don't really know what that episode was about.

T.C. De Witt:

Her dad got kidnapped. And was that The dad kidnapped 1? Didn't happen to have a Yes. Have a unicorn, and the unicorn happened to be belong to.

David Geisler:

And And the unicorn technically was a Pegasus unicorn, as

T.C. De Witt:

you pointed out. To fly.

David Geisler:

Yep. Which is what was the and the horn never got used, but the wings very much got used because Ganon uses the horse to fly away to kidnap the dad. You're right.

T.C. De Witt:

Did that have the whistle on it, or was that the 3rd episode? No.

David Geisler:

I think that might have been the whistle Okay. Which brought a tornado

T.C. De Witt:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Which confused me because the whistle drains a lake in the first Zelda game Mhmm. But that exact same whistle and melody Mhmm. Brings a tornado in Super Mario Brothers 3. Woah. It's the same sprite and the same music.

David Geisler:

It's kinda like a deep cut in Zelda lore. Interesting. And then it comes maybe you remember Mario Brothers 3 and you go to the world.

T.C. De Witt:

It was the world. Yeah. Exactly.

David Geisler:

The wind whistle or whatever they call it. Warp whistle. Wind whistle. Wow. I know.

David Geisler:

So then but so, like, in this one, a a a teleport, tornado showed up.

T.C. De Witt:

Man, that that whistle can do anything. The only other note I had for this episode is that the explosion animation was very good. Oh? Like, the I can't remember specifically where it was, but there was like a and the animation loop that they had crafted for the explosion was was like, hey. Effort.

T.C. De Witt:

Good job, guys.

David Geisler:

Yeah. And we should we should point out again as we did in our other two episodes that the animation, though a little rough at times as far as, like, the proportions of these characters and stuff Mhmm. They are drawing original cells each time. It's not the, we were we were talking about Scooby Doo at the beginning of this episode. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

The kind of Flintstones animation where it's just the nothing's really moving but the mouth goes up and down. Hanna Barbera.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. And I may have said this on previous episodes, they were masters of cost cutting that they would animate the least amount of stuff and utilize it the maximum amount of time repeating backgrounds and only moving the mouth or the hands or the like, if you watch how those old characters used to walk, it was just their feet.

David Geisler:

Yep. And it and the and, like, the the top of their body would be a totally separate cell Exactly. When they're photographed. Just slide

T.C. De Witt:

it along. Yep. But in this, yeah, they are they're drawing everything. You know? So much so that I have not see at least nothing has jumped out over the the many times we've watched this over the years.

T.C. De Witt:

Repeat use animation.

David Geisler:

I I nothing stuck out for me. No.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. So, again, good good job. Yeah. You get the you get you get a gold star for effort there. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

I agree.

David Geisler:

Well, let's move on to stinging the stinger.

T.C. De Witt:

Stinging the stinger, which was the last line of the episode.

David Geisler:

I know. We were joking about it.

T.C. De Witt:

Dropped it.

David Geisler:

Well, it was so funny because you were talking about having a theatrical experience where the the shit the name of the show was the last line of the show or something like that. And we were like, oh, like, oh, something. And then it happened in this cartoon.

T.C. De Witt:

It's so hokey to be like, I guess when we all when all is said and done after robbing those casinos, we really are ocean's 11. Like, it's it's like I didn't

David Geisler:

wanna say it. I'm glad you did. And it totally we totally got it. Yeah. So stinging the stinger, the of course, there's this not a nefarious character.

David Geisler:

There's like a

T.C. De Witt:

Sleezenose.

David Geisler:

Is That was his name? It was Sleezenose. You're right. I wrote it down too. Yep.

David Geisler:

Sleezenose. The nose was crooked. This little little little old man Mhmm. With a very crooked nose and he was, I don't know, a trader, a dealer Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

A a market man. In another universe and time, he would have been the mask dealer from Majora. Interesting. The happy mask seller.

David Geisler:

I mean, I'm into that.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Or he he kinda looked more like

David Geisler:

By the way, wait. I know this is audio. I want everyone to know that when TC said happy mask, he put his hands together and made a face exactly like happy mask.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. He also kinda looked like Tingle, the the elf from Wow. Okay. Wow. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

So he kinda sleazenose sorta looked like Tingle, but he he looked like I'm gonna do it again. That he looked like the mask dealer,

David Geisler:

or

T.C. De Witt:

at least sort of had, like, he had this cart of wares and Yeah. But he cons Link out of his sword for a crappy scimitar

David Geisler:

Mhmm.

T.C. De Witt:

Which Link, you buffooned. You got a a sword that shoots lasers. What are you trading down for?

David Geisler:

And we know why because the thing that seals the deal is that Sleeznos says, well, this sword will make anyone, what, attracted to you or anyone no one will be able to resist you. And then he says something really weird like, especially women. And then And then Link says, even princesses?

T.C. De Witt:

Princesses are women too, Link. Yeah. But, the here's the thing, though. For as dumb as that is, a a side quest in a Zelda game where you lose your sword, has that ever been done?

David Geisler:

I mean, it's debatable. You could say stuff like Eventide Island is is like, you know, that kind of stuff where you do yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. There are moments in Zelda games where you lose your weapons.

T.C. De Witt:

Your weapons, you have to, like, recover them. Mhmm. I know that there's the the it's like the master sword, but they're like the big sword in Ocarina of time. You can do that whole side quest to get the the 2 handed sword. The Begoran sword.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Which I I have done. That's a fun Really?

David Geisler:

Yeah. Even I have not done

T.C. De Witt:

that yet.

David Geisler:

See, in my life.

T.C. De Witt:

You can't use your shield because it's a 2 handed sword. No. But, I that was one of those, like, 3rd time through playing where I'm like, I'm gonna do the I'm gonna do the 2 side quests in this. Yeah. That one is so freaking complicated.

David Geisler:

Really?

T.C. De Witt:

Like, without assistance online, I don't think I ever, ever would've figured out how to do it. Like, you have to go across that game, fetch quest, fetch quest, fetch quest. And some of the segments of the fetch quest are timed. Oh, wow. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

So it's like, you have to get back before the sun rises. Go. Anyhow, a the idea of Link losing his sword and having to side quest to get the sword back, sort it's sort of been done in games, but it it was a it was a good idea I think I see where you're going

David Geisler:

with this.

T.C. De Witt:

Executed poorly on the show here.

David Geisler:

We bring in another I don't mind, you know, White Knight in our first episode, I don't mind when characters are brought in that aren't part of the game lore. It's not the end of the world. Mhmm. But I have to say I kinda don't love it. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Because it starts to imply other lands and other it it implies outside of the lore, which I can't which you know what I mean? Like Mhmm. Where did sleazenose come from? And maybe we're we don't need to care.

T.C. De Witt:

I mean, this show doesn't care. Yeah. Right. Right. Is Zelda's dad a character in any of the games?

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. King king wait. King.

David Geisler:

Oh, he has different names. Mister Zelda. No. That's mister Zelda to you. Mister Zelda.

David Geisler:

No. He has different names in, in all the different games.

T.C. De Witt:

Okay. Okay. But yeah. Like, Sleece knows he's just a stupid character. Link was a bit of a bully in this where he grabbed him by the ankles and flipped them upside down and shook all the stuff out of him.

David Geisler:

That's true.

T.C. De Witt:

That's bully link over here.

David Geisler:

The the one the one other thing I have here is we this is the first half of the episode. Link learns pretty quickly that he he got a raw deal and got a bad sword Mhmm. And they go back to get the good sword or whatever. But, I mean, TC, we just made an oceans 11 joke, but, like, we kinda we get the closest thing to a heist yet. The whole second half of this episode is a set up set up the traps montage.

David Geisler:

With a twist. Yes.

T.C. De Witt:

Because we see them we see them prepare to I don't know why Ganon is walking around just parading around with his newfound sword. Yeah. But they set up all these traps.

David Geisler:

And one of the Knowing okay. He's gonna come down this road. No explanation. That's fine. It's a kid's show.

T.C. De Witt:

That's right.

David Geisler:

But, like, very specific traps for this one part of the road. Mhmm. Yeah. And then it was like and within 2 seconds, they're like, here he comes.

T.C. De Witt:

Yep. Beehive. Wasp hive. And There's a lot

David Geisler:

of hives.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Yeah. But the

David Geisler:

but you're right. It's a bit

T.C. De Witt:

of a a montage setup of the traps. And I was I'll give a tip of the hat to the fact that one of those traps didn't like,

David Geisler:

oh, yeah. That's right. She made a box full of ants. So we're we're seeing our characters, Link is tying rope to a branch, little bit of like Ewok on indoor vibe there a little bit.

T.C. De Witt:

Catapult with a Yeah. Beehive in it.

David Geisler:

And then and we see a lot of hive action. Yeah. You're right. There's multiple beehives are being collected and stuff like that.

T.C. De Witt:

We can't beat them with magic. We have to use

David Geisler:

Oh, that's right. What was the rule? Why couldn't they use magic?

T.C. De Witt:

Because he was more powerful now that he had The sword. The sword.

David Geisler:

So yeah. Yeah. It was one of those things where, like, yeah. Now you gotta go back down to the rudimentary Yeah. Things.

David Geisler:

And okay. So if you can't you can't be sticks and stones. Mhmm. So what's non repeatable to some degree?

T.C. De Witt:

Oh, yeah.

David Geisler:

You know what I mean? That's right. They put bee traps.

T.C. De Witt:

Sticks and stones that you're right. Following that that that rule. Yeah. So bee traps or whatnot. But then, yeah, there was the ant trap that didn't pay off until

David Geisler:

It was actually a little bit clever because during the montage, we see Link and Zelda and even Sleeznos collecting, I'm just gonna say beehives. Mhmm. Because I think they ended up using, like, 3 of them. They basically just, like, launch a bunch of bees at the guys and that's fine. It works.

David Geisler:

So it doesn't it doesn't matter. Mhmm. But we see, you know, one beehive. We see 2 beehives. We see Zelda putting what we thought was a beehive into a box.

David Geisler:

And then we were like Her

T.C. De Witt:

and sprite did something.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Her and sprite. And then we were like, what was that? Ants or something? Because it kinda looked like it.

David Geisler:

Move on. Another beehive. Links climbing the rope. And it turns out that that was like a little deep cut ref, not reference, but it's a deep cut setup. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Because the ants then are what Sleazenose steals the Triforce

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. And is running away with it. And Link's like, oh, no. He's still listening. And Zelda's like, or did he?

David Geisler:

And she goes to Link's dirty pile of laundry Which pulls out the actual triforce.

T.C. De Witt:

Wisdom, triforce of wisdom. And then he's like, well, then what does he have? I use Sprite's power to turn the box. And then he opens the box and the ants come out.

David Geisler:

Yep. Yeah. To make it look like

T.C. De Witt:

the Triforce, so he thinks he's only Triforce.

David Geisler:

The magic, you know, wears off or the spell's undone and all of a sudden he's yeah. He's holding a red box of ants. And they climb up on his body and he runs away. So itchy. So itchy.

David Geisler:

So itchy. Runs away into the into the yonder. And, and then of course we get our final line.

T.C. De Witt:

And that's how you sting a stinger.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. Oh, Link. That's how you sting a stinger. It does make me wonder about the writing team with this show because and you know more about this than I do, TC, but, you know, you're gonna have some people, I would imagine. Mhmm.

David Geisler:

This might be 1 or 2 people in a room, honestly, for a little cartoon like this. For like this. Yeah. But a normal writing room, you know, you you know, whatever. You're you're 5 to 12 or whatever.

David Geisler:

Right?

T.C. De Witt:

Certainly. Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna have, that's about right.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. And, for a show like this, I would imagine some are coming in that are obviously there's obviously there's the references in these episodes are very true to form. Does that mean that there was literally a Nintendo person like in the writer's room when these, you know, so to speak, even if it's just metaphorical?

T.C. De Witt:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

In the writer's room as they're making these episodes. And then also, I think about half of these episodes, how to sting a stinger, the one where there was like the black haired enchantress, from almost 2 years ago when we watched the first three. Mhmm. There's certain storylines. Oh, and when Link gets turned into a frog Yep.

David Geisler:

That have nothing to do with the game and they almost feel like they were easily episodes from other shows. Oh. Just like someone's someone's writing their episode. Right? It's like their bottle episode that really doesn't have anything do with the show, but they write it and they turn it into a Zelda episode.

T.C. De Witt:

I got this rejected gummy bear script, and it's gonna make a hell of an the Legend of Zelda. See, I couldn't get through that one.

David Geisler:

Oh, Adventure of Zelda. Is that the only set? There is that one of the CDI games is called Zelda's Adventure. That one's that's

T.C. De Witt:

Why the hell in my hand?

David Geisler:

But yeah. Of Zelda.

T.C. De Witt:

Maybe I've somehow tapped into my own timeline. Well Somewhere in the future, I'm I'm

David Geisler:

pretty

T.C. De Witt:

involved on the show.

David Geisler:

But we did speak about a legend of or adventure of Zelda game in one of our crossovers. It might even been the first one.

T.C. De Witt:

We were

David Geisler:

joking a little bit or maybe it was Studio Demands it.

T.C. De Witt:

The the idea that she would be the playable character Mhmm. Was that Zelda 3,000? We because No.

David Geisler:

But I've actually gotten a lot of good feedback on Zelda 3000. People are really enjoying it, and I loved making that one. Man, that that I still think about that one. Mhmm. That that one

T.C. De Witt:

I it was a game rather than a story, but that one, aesthetically, I'm like, I'd love to see

David Geisler:

that. We were speaking about right now I just realized we kinda jumped here, but we were just talking about an episode. The the crossover the crossover episode where I was a guest on studio demands it almost 2 years ago, 3 years ago because whatever. We we were tasked with making us a new Zelda game. And I

T.C. De Witt:

think we

David Geisler:

came up with some really interesting things. I was actually really excited

T.C. De Witt:

about it. I'd plug that one for a moment longer here. Yeah. The the demand was to set a Zelda game centuries into the future of one of the existing games. Mhmm.

T.C. De Witt:

Like and then you you drew in a, Wind Waker, mythology.

David Geisler:

We were coming off there and then we went into, Spirit Tracks. Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Okay. And then the fact that the hero of time that that, ends up having the courage Triforce on it is the red haired male. So we yeah. You could almost say, like, if we

David Geisler:

were just if if we're elevator pitching what we ended up coming up with, it would be what if the hero Mhmm. Was Gerudo?

T.C. De Witt:

Yes. Yeah. That that it's not Link. It's it's who who would be destined to be the next Ganon who fights against their destiny. And the canon that is in the game is the statute freed version Of the Wind Waker.

T.C. De Witt:

From the Wind Waker. Yeah. Love that. I yeah. I that would be on studio demands that if you if

David Geisler:

Season 2, maybe. Season 3. Season 3?

T.C. De Witt:

That's season 3. Yeah. That's season 3.

David Geisler:

Cool. Well, anyway, any other any other final thoughts about what we're watching? I don't know if I'm getting I here's where my emotions are with this show. Mhmm. I don't know, and I really mean this.

David Geisler:

I'm not trying to make a joke or do a bit. I don't know if I'm just starting to enjoy it or getting tired of it.

T.C. De Witt:

I'm

David Geisler:

this is

T.C. De Witt:

what I'm I'm wondering is gonna happen. We have 4 episodes left, which we'll get to

David Geisler:

next year. And maybe we do them with Jim from studio. I

T.C. De Witt:

think so.

David Geisler:

He might bring a fresh perspective here. If we're getting a little tired of it or something, which I don't know if we are, because honestly, there were part there were moments in these episodes where I was like, yeah. Go for it. Like and I was like, wait. What am I?

David Geisler:

Am I 10 years old? Good that flip. You know? Get that kiss. Oh my gosh.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Bringing The kiss currency is, like, not anyway.

T.C. De Witt:

Bringing Jim in to have some fresh eyes on it would be nice. But, really, I'm wondering if if, yeah, ever so slightly we're seeing this slight improvement, just tiny little improvements in the show.

David Geisler:

That's true.

T.C. De Witt:

If it reaches a point of, like, oh, they they were making progress, and then it ended. But, honestly, if that were true, there'd be more episodes. So I'm I'm looking forward to seeing how they've stopped. I'm not gonna say finish it because I don't imagine they have a finale. I'm just looking forward to seeing how this ends.

David Geisler:

If anything, and I I hate to say it, it'll be like Link finally gets a kiss from Zelda.

T.C. De Witt:

If if they even allow that Yep. Repeatable, you know, can't have can't have kids smooching out

David Geisler:

there. Can't get smooching. The the I know I'm also thinking about how cartoons worked in the eighties where they were 100% commercials for things Mhmm. And 100% ordered to be a certain number of episodes and almost we don't care, like, what the show Yeah. Is.

David Geisler:

Just fill the order. Yeah. And so it's very possible that even if the writing does improve a little bit, even just microscopically, they're probably just they didn't need a season 2 because you just keep playing season 1 and who cares? The kids can buy the toys.

T.C. De Witt:

We've we've sold the product we need to sell. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's definitely a product of its times. It it feels like an eighties show.

T.C. De Witt:

It's 10 little less than 10 years from the renaissance of afternoon cartoons, your tiny tune adventures, your Batman, your, the Disney afternoon stuff. Yeah. Like, who who's to say? I don't know. Maybe if if it had I don't know.

T.C. De Witt:

We'll see what those last 4 episodes look like in in a year's time. But Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm ready to be done with it, but I'm not I'm not I'm not saying that in, like, god. I just want this to be over with.

David Geisler:

I mean, I almost feel like I enjoyed watching these with you more this time than even the other times. I don't know. There's something about it. It was a weird feeling.

T.C. De Witt:

We've beaten ourselves into it's beaten us into submission.

David Geisler:

A little bit. I think that's what it is.

T.C. De Witt:

But, Yeah. I'm I we have our demands for studio demands that I haven't Oh, for tomorrow's episode? For tomorrow's episode. Yeah. I've gleaned I never like to read them in their entire day.

T.C. De Witt:

Usually, just kinda, like like, glance at them for content. Seems like TV show is the

David Geisler:

Where it's gonna go.

T.C. De Witt:

I I have a hand, like, a a couple extras from our list our studio demands that listeners Yeah. Who tossed some at us knowing that this episode is coming. I'm gonna glance at those as well.

David Geisler:

I see. I saw a tweet. Maybe it was Eddie v, but I can't remember what someone basically said, like, redo the eighties cartoon. And and and Link has to say, excuse me, princess. I

T.C. De Witt:

think he sent he might have sent that to me too or I saw the tweet. But, But, yeah, that was one of them where I was like, interesting.

David Geisler:

I know. So it is kinda interesting how this is as we're closing up on this. Mhmm. It could be

T.C. De Witt:

a you know? Yeah. Maybe that means we have to rewatch the first episode. Tomorrow morning. Excuse me.

T.C. De Witt:

Let's not do that.

David Geisler:

I feel like that first episode's burned in my brain because it was, like, all of the all of the cringy memes are in there.

T.C. De Witt:

Worst is right there. Yeah. I'm I'm shocked how much he says that that catchphrase. Like, they really thought they had something fun here. Like, they're like Almost

David Geisler:

like there was a quota.

T.C. De Witt:

God. Like, we have an order for 13 episodes of the show, but we have an order for a 150 Excuse Me Princesses. Okay? We got toys that are gonna save us when you press a little button with cry shop action. So he says Excuse Me Princess.

T.C. De Witt:

That's where you go. Go. Thank you, mister Nintendo. That's how that went down. I think that's right.

David Geisler:

I think that's right. You see? Alright. Great. Well, I'm excited to talk about whatever we end up building on our Studio Demands episode tomorrow.

T.C. De Witt:

Which listeners of this show will have already listened to.

David Geisler:

Or at least or or in it said another way, is out now.

T.C. De Witt:

Is out now. Yes. If you if you haven't heard it

David Geisler:

Yeah.

T.C. De Witt:

Travel on over through time and space to, to take a listen to it.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Certainly, I'll have a link to it in our show notes here. I think I think that's it. I think that's it knowing that I actually set this episode up today thinking that there were only that we were gonna finish.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. Me too. I thought this was the end. I thought it was the end. And then

David Geisler:

we did some further research. We found out that there's 4 more episodes.

T.C. De Witt:

We we both kinda cried. We, like, we, like, embraced each other and just weeps briefly. That was

David Geisler:

the night I wept. But, but I think we could maybe well, you know, obviously, we'll watch this other for, you know, next year, next season, and I think we may have some fun with it. But, with all that said so so now I have this weird energy because I was I was emotionally prepped for finality. Mhmm.

T.C. De Witt:

And I

David Geisler:

was like, oh, no. There's one more. Yeah. So now I'm in now this is The Empire Strikes Back where it's like where you're like, okay. 1, you know, one more I don't know how to feel right now.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. I'm just gonna wait. So with all that said, I don't know. We're continuing to analyze it.

T.C. De Witt:

Well, I'll I'll throw it to your listeners. I'm wondering what they think. I I'm I For

David Geisler:

the show?

T.C. De Witt:

It's on YouTube. The whole show is on YouTube.

David Geisler:

We we I was given I was lent the show as DVDs Mhmm. By Elizabeth Perkins, who was a friend and also has been on the is a friend and was on the show back in season 2 or 3. And we ended up finding today that that there is like just playlist of these things on YouTube. And I think probably it's no harm, no foul that if you you can watch my YouTube, I don't know anything.

T.C. De Witt:

If you feel like it might be, you can also go to Amazon streaming on there with with Amazon.

David Geisler:

Oh, yeah. It's like fully legally streaming on Amazon and and quite and and questionably, probably, you know, legal gray space on YouTube.

T.C. De Witt:

Yeah. So but I'm wondering if anyone is watching along with us or does have fond memories now is gonna go back and and look for it. And secondly, not enough Sprite in these three episodes. Oh, yeah. Sprite was barely around.

T.C. De Witt:

Hashtag justice for Sprite. If you enjoyed this episode, there's your hashtag, folks.

David Geisler:

Oh my goodness. Yeah. That's a

T.C. De Witt:

Sprite. Action. Justice for Sprite.

David Geisler:

And you know what's funny though is, like, we kind of I don't I don't think we were digging Sprite's antics, in those early episodes. But now what? Now she's not here? Now we miss her? Yeah.

David Geisler:

What's happening? Are we are we drinking the Kool Aid? What's happening?

T.C. De Witt:

Is that what's in this cup? It's got a Zelda emblem on it. Wait a minute, David. What have you but listen to David. We're you're both you're

David Geisler:

Red potion. Nothing but red potion. Alright, TC. If people wanna find you, they can, do that where, when, and how?

T.C. De Witt:

I you can listen to Studio Dimensity, of course, and I would love it if you did. But, if you'd like to reach me directly, you can find me on Instagram at TC's big head, which you will find, art and movie stuff and Tons of art right now. Yep. Tons of art for October up there. And I would like to direct your attention since you're you're already getting online to watch some some Zelda stuff.

T.C. De Witt:

Why not head over to TikTok and check out the studio demands at TikTok channel? Yes. All season, Jim and I did commentary tracks in connection to the demands we were responding to. So we watched Sherlock Holmes. We watched the Michael Bay transformers.

T.C. De Witt:

We watched Cowboys and Aliens. We watched the entire season of Boba Fett and did commentary tracks for him. Now on our Patreon, you can get the entire commentary track. On TikTok, you can get our highlights, which are about 5 minutes long.

David Geisler:

And even the highlights are hysterical.

T.C. De Witt:

Thank you so much. I we I've we have such a good time doing them. Jim and I don't sit down and say, we're gonna be funny. We just watch the movies with hot mic.

David Geisler:

And, like, things just come up. And things just come up. And it

T.C. De Witt:

turns into bits and conversations, and we take those the best bits, and we put them into TikTok. So, yeah, studio demands it on TikTok is is, if you don't wanna just chat with me on Instagram, head over there and and watch our tomfoolery.

David Geisler:

Cool. So thank you, Dave, for Marvelous.

T.C. De Witt:

For having me on, and I'm excited to to meet some demands with you tomorrow.

David Geisler:

Thanks for making the trip. I always look forward to this. I I, yeah. We don't have to dig in too deep, but it would be really cool if I came out to see you guys next year. But anyway Yeah.

David Geisler:

Alright. So I'm I'm Raptor Paint on Instagram, Twitter, and the whatever. You can find me at those things. But more more importantly, another Zelda podcast dotcom is our website. Anotherzellapod on Twitter, anotherzellapodcast on Instagram.

David Geisler:

We do not have a TikTok because we're not doing hysterical, narration. Hysterical. Thank you. Clip clip clip shows.

T.C. De Witt:

I would have settled for amusing, but I'll take a stare.

David Geisler:

Because we do not do pretty alright clip shows. No. Just joking. No. Anyway, okay.

David Geisler:

Now there's other podcast. Yes. I can did you hear my watch tell me it's time to go to bed? Go to bed, David. It went ding ding ding ding.

David Geisler:

It's because it's been a it's been a long weekend, but a beautiful great weekend. We're making so many podcasts, and it's very cool. So, that's it. Find a show there. You can find some of our blog posts that people have written.

David Geisler:

We have links to all the studio. We have links to all of the 6 5 shows, including Studio Demand at the bottom of our another Zelda podcast website. So if you're just checking out Zelda stuff anyway and you scroll down to the bottom, you can find some of the other shows. Oh, did I I didn't get a chance to tell you. I've had I've had one confirmed, but a little bit of chatter on social media.

David Geisler:

People going from returning student to studio demands it. Really? Oh, that's great. I'm using the studio demands it ad campaign in returning student right now.

T.C. De Witt:

Thank you so much. That's true.

David Geisler:

Well, because it's kinda like the Returning Student episodes come out, you know, only like once a month. Mhmm. And so I've I had one person in the flesh, a person that is not my friend Mhmm. Come up to me in this neighborhood I live in and say,

T.C. De Witt:

like and say, yeah, well, I'm waiting for the

David Geisler:

next Returning student, but I went over and started listening to Studio De Manza. Excellent. Yeah. Very good.

T.C. De Witt:

It was it was

David Geisler:

kinda cool. Alright. Alright. Alright. So anyway, all the things is fun and all of that.

David Geisler:

And those are all the podcast.com. TC, thank you very much. Thank you. Everybody else, thank you for listening. And I think the next episode is where we rearrange things a little bit, for AZP here.

David Geisler:

And I think the next episode is gonna be an episode with Andy where he and I build a Zelda theory. Andy runs the YouTube channel Zelda. I mean, he also writes blogs for us. Yeah. And so we we got together a few months ago and we put together a a Zelda theory about if the silent realm and the twilight realm are in fact the same thing.

David Geisler:

We get into it. Cool. Alright. Everybody have a great time. I'm not really sure how to end this episode right now.

T.C. De Witt:

K. Bye. Woah.

David Geisler:

Going old school. Love it.