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A relatable and honest podcast about the highs and lows of being a youth hockey parent. Join us as we share real stories, struggles, and wins from the rink, offering insights and support for parents navigating the world of youth hockey.
This is for the sled dogs in the trenches. Real hockey parents, real stories. The Good and the Gong Show. No filters, no sugarcoating, no politics, just straight hockey talk, and the best guests around the barn. Welcome to the Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast.
Intro:Alright, boys. Grind them corners, chirp responsibly, and bring that savage fire.
Jamie:Alright, everybody. Welcome back to episode 64 of the Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast. Why are you looking at me like that? The Crazy Hockey Dads Podcast, the unfiltered podcast for hockey parents. No politics, no sugarcoating, just real talk for hockey parents in the trenches, and we have a show for you today, folks.
Scott:Yeah. I thought I was doing the opening. Oh, nice. That's why I gave you the look.
Jamie:Sorry. I thought you gave me the high sign to go.
Scott:Oh, no.
Jamie:You could do it next time.
Scott:No. I know.
Jamie:Sorry. You just said jump in.
Scott:I was just I was answering the question, why did why did you look at me like that?
Jamie:RJ Burns, top line.
Scott:RJ is tremendous.
Jamie:RJ is tremendous.
Scott:Oh, my god. Your face. Your face.
Jamie:Anyway, so do we have an episode today?
Scott:Oh, yeah. We do.
Jamie:I mean, we do. But we have a really, really good one.
Scott:Listen.
Jamie:The doctor Alicia Naser?
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.
Jamie:In the flesh?
Scott:Amazing talking to her.
Jamie:It was very cool.
Scott:Amazing getting to know her. And and yeah. Well, obviously, we'll we'll get into it in a little bit, but, yeah, it was a great conversation.
Jamie:It was. Yes. And thank you to Big John Dangles for our awesome introduction. Can find him at BJD or Big John Dangles Instagram. Go take a peek at that.
Jamie:He does some really cool stuff.
Scott:Yes.
Jamie:Yeah, man.
Scott:Yeah. How was hockey?
Jamie:Crazy
Scott:day. Hockey. Keep going.
Jamie:Crazy 10. Go get Scott's favorite, the candle. My favorite, the yellow handled scissors, which I used yesterday. Dom's like that. He's like, you take my stick for me?
Scott:Like, Otto asked me the same thing.
Jamie:Like, you've doing it for like for years. Like, why do I need tape for you?
Scott:We're like walking out the door after all morning of like a morning of video games
Jamie:Right.
Scott:And doing things. Anything
Jamie:Not productive things?
Scott:Right. Anything that's and everything that's not productive Yeah. That that was happening. And we're walking out the door, and we're like rushing a little bit to get to the rink.
Jamie:Right. This was yesterday.
Scott:Yesterday. And so like, we're like As we're walking the door, goes, dad, when when we get there, can you just like take the tape off my knob and can you like retape my stick?
Jamie:Right. I was
Scott:like, dude, what have you been doing all morning? I'm like, we're rushing out the door right now and that's like what's going through your mind.
Jamie:We were in a very similar situation
Scott:yesterday. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. What you've doing Dude. For the last, like, three, four hours?
Scott:But then hold on. So then so then we get in the car, and I'm like, am I really annoyed? No. But I just was like, dude, you you can tape it. Or you know what?
Scott:How about this? Tomorrow, all day, we we have all day. How about then? Not not right now.
Jamie:Does he tape a stick every day?
Scott:No. But I'm just saying
Jamie:Got it.
Scott:It was just like a so so then we get in the car and I said to him, he packed his bag. Mhmm. And I'm thinking to myself, I I there I have to double check. Even though I didn't want to, I was like if I get to that rank and something's missing, I'm going to murder
Jamie:Yeah. I get it. Him or me. I get it.
Scott:And so I was like, do you have your jersey? He goes, oh, I took the other jersey. And I was like, oh, glad I asked. And so I This
Jamie:is before the car started moving?
Scott:This yeah.
Jamie:So Okay. So you're still here?
Jamie:So we're still here.
Scott:Okay. And then so I get back out I get out of the car. I go back in the house. Right. And now, I remember my wife had told me earlier in the day something about his jersey.
Scott:Mhmm. And I was like, okay. So I went upstairs when it's usually downstairs.
Jamie:Right.
Scott:And I didn't see it upstairs.
Jamie:Okay.
Scott:And then I was like, came downstairs and I didn't see it downstairs.
Jamie:Okay.
Scott:And I was like, alright, I'm gonna call my wife. And so I call her and I said, I know you told me to Take some jewelry.
Jamie:She goes, oh, yeah. I did
Scott:see it somewhere And, oh, I forget. And I was like, something like that. And I was like, all right, fine. And so I start going through, like, piles of laundry looking for this jersey. Because, like, you've been in my basement where the hockey stuff is, it can be a mess.
Jamie:Can be. And and Not a long time, but there's occasions. Yeah. More often. Where the laundry room is.
Scott:Right. They're more more often than not. Yes. It's it's mess. So I'm like going through this stack of laundry, and I'm like starting to lose my mind right now.
Jamie:Oh, you are? You're so you're starting to like now and
Dr Naser:now I'm
Jamie:like You're starting get aggravated.
Scott:Because like I'm thinking about like, okay, my kid, I asked him to get his stuff ready, which he did, but then forgot something. He wants me to tape his stick, but he had all morning to do it. I'm the one looking for his goddamn stuff. My you you know, and I'm just
Jamie:Were you also running late?
Scott:No. No. No. We were on
Jamie:the verge That would have made it worse, by the
Jamie:were on the verge of running late. But Okay.
Scott:I I like to be early.
Jamie:So you still had a little bit of a buffer.
Scott:Yeah. But it was Okay. Past my buffer.
Jamie:Understood. I get it. I have a buffer as
Scott:to leave it 09:15. Yep. If it's, like, 09:18 Yep. I'm looking for something, I I'm I'm getting anxious.
Jamie:I am Even though it has no bearing
Jamie:I understand.
Scott:He gets on the ice, zero.
Jamie:I get that too, by the I have a buffer also. And when my buffer starts getting eaten into, I start to I start to get on to that.
Scott:Right. So Yeah. 100%. So now I'm so, dude. So so then I go I can't find in this pile of laundry.
Scott:And I'm kinda doing it quickly, and I'm debating, should I slow down just to look more closely at whatever. I go upstairs and I go to the car and I said and I'm I'm like, maybe the maybe the jersey that he didn't pack
Jamie:Yeah.
Scott:Is actually in his bag. So then I go Woah. Then I'm like in the trunk going through his bag.
Jamie:Is he sitting in the back seat?
Scott:No. He's sitting in front seat.
Jamie:Oh, he's in the car at my point. Okay. So I
Scott:and then I like open up the the trunk and I'm like cursing under my breath but loud enough so you can hear it. And I'm like I go, dude, what are you doing? I said the same thing.
Jamie:And he's
Scott:like, I'm like, I'm looking for all your shit. You're just sitting in the car. How about you get out and help? Right? And so, and he's looking at me like, yo, bro ski, like, what do
Jamie:you What's going on here? Why are
Scott:you coming so hot, dude? And and I'm like, get out of the car. Get out of the car. And so I we get we get in the house. I go back downstairs because now I'm thinking like I didn't look Well enough.
Scott:Well enough in the the pile of laundry.
Jamie:Yeah.
Scott:And then he I heard him go upstairs and then he comes downstairs.
Jamie:So he tagged him. So he went up, you went down.
Scott:He literally comes down the stairs, walks right over to the drawers where folded laundry should go. He goes, oh, here it is dad. And I was like, holy shit. The last place I'd ever look for his jersey Was where clean it's where it's supposed to be. Exactly where it's supposed to be.
Scott:That's the last place I would have ever looked. And he walks, waltzes down here like, here, dad.
Jamie:Found it. Let's go.
Scott:I'm going
Jamie:Where's you in the car? I'm like Yeah. You're like you have, like, smoke coming out of your ears?
Scott:Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. That was
Jamie:Dude, I get it. I I gotta tell you. That so that's actually not bad if you just kind of kind of forgot the jersey. Now let me ask you a question. If you had got to the rink, did you have any jersey in the bag that you could have thrown on?
Scott:Yes. And truthfully, he probably would've gotten a jersey from someone else there.
Jamie:I was gonna say somebody probably
Scott:And and it crossed my mind. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. I was like, I can go there without a jersey, and it's not gonna be a problem.
Jamie:Be awful. Yeah.
Scott:If you couldn't find it It wouldn't have been awful.
Jamie:Wouldn't have been awful. Or just throw on your whatever you have in the bag. I've seen kids, like, they don't look the same, but it's just a skill session with everything. So it didn't matter.
Scott:Like, also But, yeah, I know what you mean. But at some point, like, during like, it crossed my mind. And I was, like, already committed in my mind to, like, like finding
Jamie:To finding it.
Scott:There's no reason
Jamie:why I can't
Scott:find this jersey. 100%. There's only so many places it could possibly be.
Jamie:One being the spot where it should be Dude. Folded between laundry.
Scott:The last time anyone folded a jersey and put it where it's supposed to go. Like, if I say that happens like, maybe once to one and a half times a month, like
Jamie:You know, it's funny. Now that you're saying that, I'm pretty sure that once Dom's jersey gets cleaned in the laundry, like, it just goes back in his bag. It's never in a drawer.
Scott:It's never, like, folded and put away.
Jamie:No. No. It's always just shoves back into his hockey bag.
Scott:We throw it, like, right by
Jamie:his hockey stuff. Yeah. Same. It's either laying on top of it or in the bag. Like, it it never makes it to a drawer.
Scott:It's not like a game jersey. It's maybe on a hanger.
Jamie:Exactly. It never makes it to a drawer or closet. No. Even after the season, it doesn't make it there.
Scott:Oh, yeah. Well, no. We get that far.
Jamie:Oh, you do?
Scott:I mean, retire some old stuff.
Jamie:It gets thrown out after the season, essentially.
Scott:Actually, we have every one of his jerseys.
Jamie:Do you? Yeah. Even the ones that don't fit him anymore.
Scott:Absolutely.
Jamie:So I used to do that. I used to have a hockey bag full of, like, old jerseys. Dude, I had. It's funny. Whenever you go to, like, whenever you go to, like, those three on three tournaments in the spring Yeah.
Jamie:They're like, oh, yeah. Bring a green, a black, a red, and a white. Right.
Scott:And I
Jamie:had them all. And green is hard to find, by the way. Yeah. Like, green yeah. How many people have green practice jerseys or game jerseys.
Jamie:There's not
Scott:a lot. I don't have one right there.
Jamie:That's because you played for a team that was green. There's not a lot
Scott:of green teams It's out from the Saints. It's it's a
Jamie:Was it was it a tryout jersey?
Scott:No. It's a green practice jersey.
Jamie:You guys said green last year. We had blue and white. Really? Yeah. I said green.
Jamie:No shit. Point is that not many people have green jerseys.
Scott:Yeah. Except 50% of the people talking in this conversation.
Jamie:Small sample size. But, yes, I suppose
Scott:I'll say it percentage wise, it's pretty good.
Jamie:Fair. No. A 100% because I have one too.
Scott:Mike, know So where are we going with this?
Jamie:Again, small sample size, but most people most people have a hard time finding green jerseys. It's like black. They seem to look at your face.
Scott:What are you polling people? Excuse me, sir. Crazy Hockey Dads here. Just curious.
Jamie:Excuse me.
Scott:Do you have a hard time finding green practice jerseys?
Jamie:What? Kid doesn't play hockey? Never mind.
Scott:Anyway What's the one where where they they they asked dad's asking about the kid with tryouts. He's like, alright, Timmy. Back to
Jamie:the car. Oh my god. He's a coach. What do you my my boy Timmy's like, else are you guys looking? He's like, it's between here and the stars.
Scott:He's like,
Jamie:stars, Yeah. Go there. He's like, don't even have him come in. He's like and he's walking back to the car, the dad's like, alright, buddy. Put your shit back in.
Jamie:So good. So funny. I I can't find it anymore though.
Scott:You said but that honestly, you said that last time.
Jamie:Did I find it after that? Yes. Are you sure? I'm positive. Did I send it to you?
Jamie:I hope you I hope you still have it. Because it's between that and the hockey house with Pat Shea Yeah. They're like, they they They're legendary. And if I don't save them on my phone, they just I can't find them again.
Scott:I I feel like that's one that you should have saved. Like, why why you blanked on that
Jamie:twice for this one? Should have saved that.
Scott:That's weak sauce.
Jamie:You're not wrong. That's my bad.
Scott:That's weak sauce.
Jamie:Yeah. That's a 100% my bad. But anyway, so yes. So there you go. So Dominic asked me to tape his stick yesterday, I'm like, dude, I'm like, because we're running late.
Jamie:He's a deck. He taped my stick. I'm like, meanwhile, he sat there next to me while I taped it. I was like, bro.
Scott:Mean, but like in that situation, it's like, who's the idiot?
Jamie:Well well, I thought he was gonna go do something, and I started taping, I turned and looked, and he's sitting. I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah. Like, he's like, oh, I'm just waiting for you to tape my stick. And I'm like, go, like, put your sneakers on or something.
Scott:But I I'm shocked that he actually wanted you to tape his stick.
Jamie:Dude, I have not taped a stick in a long time.
Scott:Was he testing you? Was this like a Jedi mind trick?
Jamie:So now that you're making me think about it, maybe at the time, I didn't think that, but maybe maybe it's like, wow. Let's see if my dad still has it. Or something. You know? And I used Howie's hockey tape to do it.
Scott:Of course, you did.
Jamie:What else would I use?
Scott:Well, that's that's how this all started.
Jamie:That's why you guys should go use the code crazy 10 for 10% off your Howie's hockey gear.
Scott:Yes. And you can go on tangents like that.
Jamie:That's right.
Scott:Yes. Okay. So speaking of partners, let's keep going with coach Kevin.
Jamie:Coach Kevin.
Scott:Let's go. Hockeytraining.com. So we yeah. We are going to get a live Yes. A live stick our kids going on a live stick handling class.
Scott:So we we just were emailing back and forth about Yes.
Jamie:We
Scott:were. And that is one of the things that coach Kevin offers. Not all the time, but, you know, now that the spring is upon us, I think it looks like it's ramping up again. There Oh, yeah. He does a virtual stick handling classes.
Scott:His platform has got a library of stick handling and strength, agility, speed work that you can do at home. He's great. Yeah. In the garage, outside, wherever you might get some off ice work in the spring summertime. So check out hockeytraining.com, for all of your off ice training needs.
Jamie:He's got an awesome Instagram. Was it Hockey Training HQ. Hockey Training HQ Instagram. Yeah. He's he's got a great library of stuff.
Scott:Let's go.
Jamie:Yeah. And then we have Titan Battle Gear. So Scott and I trust our kids with Titan Battle Gear. Not only does it look stylish, but it protects your kid, the best protection on the market today. So we have the ice cream cone.
Jamie:You have the Miami Vice one. I mean, this stuff is awesome. They have a bunch of different camos, you know. I know they're having a hard time keeping it in stock. I mean, people are buying that shit
Scott:right It does say something.
Jamie:Yes. It does. You know? So not only does it look good, but it protects your kid, and we spend a lot of money in this game. So, you know, spending a little bit more on your kid's protection, you know, means the world, I think.
Jamie:So yeah. So you can go to titanbattlegear.com, or in our show notes, can go to titanbattlegear.com backslash crazy hockey dads, and use the code crazy dads 10 for 10% off your Titan battle gear.
Scott:Yes, sir. And for any coaches or managers out there listening and looking for some video analytics analytics solutions for your team next year, if you haven't used video review with your team, definitely check out Athletic Performance Insight. Eric over there will happily do a demo. Just use a contact form on athletic performance insight dot com to reach out to him. And I'm sure he'll walk you through the the platform.
Scott:He'll break down game for free.
Jamie:Oh,
Scott:yeah. But it's really an amazing tool to do video analytics with your team, team statistics, player statistics, power play. You can filter by on a situation to go on like if you wanna look at breakouts, successful breakouts Yep. Failed breakouts. You name it, you can do it.
Scott:And every team from college level down to the youngest we use is Athletic Performance Insight when Otto was a mite.
Jamie:Yeah, you guys used it a long time ago.
Scott:Yes. So in any event, check it out athleticperformanceinsight.com.
Jamie:Yeah. Eric's great. $100 value.
Scott:Mention Crazy Hockey Dads and 10% off a season subscription.
Jamie:Yeah. You could buy half a hockey stick with that, the $100. Did I tell you Dom snapped a stick?
Scott:I mean, that doesn't surprise me.
Jamie:Again? Again? Like,
Scott:how did it break?
Jamie:He he was he was working with RJ. Yeah. RJ Burns top line, last episode. Legend. Go check it out.
Jamie:63. So, yeah, Dom was working with RJ, and, it was they were doing one timers at the end of, like One timers. Their session. Do it. Yeah.
Jamie:And, and, apparently, it was RJ came out. He's like, Jamie's, like, literally the last rep of the day. His blade snapped. Mhmm. You know what's funny is Dominic actually said he's like, dad, he's like, you know, the one before it broke, he's like, I hit it.
Jamie:He's like, and the puck didn't go anywhere. And RJ asked me, like, like, where'd you get it? And Dom's like, I thought I got it right here.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:And RJ's like, that's strange. And Dom's like, yeah.
Scott:Try another one.
Jamie:Try another one. It snapped on the next one. Yeah. So So something clearly happened on the one before and it just kind of gave way. But yeah.
Jamie:So so another another pulse got delivered to the house, You know?
Scott:It's it's a racket. Sorry. Like, Otto's stick broke when he caught a pass. And I can assure you, these were there's no no no kid on his team that should be able to pass a puck hard enough.
Jamie:I've never going to break his Dude, was just gonna say that. Like, I get that in like the NHL, but I've never seen a youth kid try to catch pass and his blade break.
Scott:Listen, so similar to you, maybe there was a preexisting condition.
Jamie:Maybe there were some yes. I I'm I'm assuming
Scott:Someone blew on it too hard before and then the pucket. I mean, like, honestly I'm assuming spend this kind of money just to go through the fucking hassle of all this shit is like Yes. Sorry. Like, I I'm I'm so over it.
Jamie:So, yes. I agree with you.
Scott:I'm so over it. And there's yeah.
Jamie:So it's funny you say that because yesterday, Nancy and I did, like, a cardboard run from our basement
Scott:to, like, the Yeah.
Jamie:So in our town, there's, like, a transfer station in our town where you can get rid of, like, metal, cardboard, paper goods, like, like, old electronics. Right? So we packed up the Yukon with, like, a lot of cardboard. Nancy, like, stores cardboard in the basement.
Scott:Why?
Jamie:Because Nancy buys a lot of shit Mhmm. From Amazon and Chewy and Target and what and the boxes just, like, live in the basement
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Until we do what we did yesterday.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:And we get rid of them all. So we did a whole big caravan to the to the transfer station to throw out cardboard.
Scott:You had that much cardboard?
Jamie:It was a lot.
Scott:Wow. Caravan.
Jamie:Not a caravan, but
Scott:A plethora.
Jamie:We had a plethora. You You know what I mean? So I have a plethora and a prune of the hedges Right. Of many smaller villages.
Scott:Dude. Okay. So tell me more about this caravan of
Jamie:cardboard. Wasn't a caravan. We we we We
Scott:followed each other
Jamie:into separate vehicles. No. No. Just one. No.
Jamie:No. We jammed as much cardboard into the U.
Scott:How was that a caravan?
Jamie:We were we did we did make two runs. The other one was for, like
Scott:Oh, okay. Okay. Got you.
Jamie:Got The other one was for, like, stuff that my child has grown out of because I cannot keep him in clothes anymore.
Jamie:Oh, he just did that
Jamie:yesterday Dominic is growing like a weed and you cannot he's he went out to shoot hockey box yesterday hockey box yesterday and literally he has like a belly shirt on. It was a GOAT USA shirt. I go, dude. I go, what's with the shirt? He's like, what do you mean?
Jamie:I go, he uses my favorite shirt. Go, yeah, I get it. But I see like you're mid drift. I'm like, you may want time to retire that thing buddy. He's like I'm like, do you remember those old Everlast shirts?
Scott:Totally.
Jamie:A 100%. Cut off, like, right under your chest?
Scott:Yes. Totally.
Jamie:It's like what he looked like. I'm like, bud, maybe time to Amazing. Maybe time to retire that.
Scott:He looks like like an eighties, like, pin up.
Jamie:Yes. It was the funniest thing. So so so so so with the second run to the transfusion was all for, like, clothes, which I really shouldn't be doing. I should be calling, like, Salvation Army, they should be coming. I should be getting a tax right off, but I did.
Jamie:I just dumped them in the in the bin. So but so my my cardboard story is we're putting all this cardboard in, and I'm going through the basement. The cardboard's all in the same spot, right? We all just throw it in the car. And Scott, we had four Bauer hockey stick boxes.
Jamie:The ones that when you get a Bauer custom stick and you get delivered to the house, four of them. I was like and and this was not in a in a long period of time that we had $4.
Scott:It it it? Yes. It's ridiculous.
Jamie:It's a thousand bucks. It's over it's it's you're talking about But those were all
Scott:new sticks that weren't like warranty replacements? Like Correct. Dude.
Jamie:That's that's what it's gotta be $1,300, $1,400 worth of sticks. Has to be.
Scott:So so so Right. 36912 Right? Give
Jamie:me a take.
Scott:So listen. So the our kids so this is like a top of the line hockey stick Right. For Dom's age group. Right? So Otto was Otto was talking to we did like, you know, like one of those like athlete to athlete.
Jamie:Mhmm.
Scott:Oh, we actually did athlete to athlete. And Otto would talk to, you know, a player over there. And they were saying like at the AHL level
Jamie:Right.
Scott:They don't get the top of the line stick.
Jamie:In the minors?
Scott:In the AHL. Right. Really? I don't I don't know if that's for every team, but, like, for the team that this guy plays for.
Jamie:They they they don't get them the top of line stick?
Scott:No. They get the team stick.
Jamie:Okay. So they have a contract with Bauer or CCM
Scott:Or Warrior.
Jamie:Or Warrior, and whatever the team stick is, that's what they get. Oh, so they can't use what they want? No. They have to use what they you're given.
Scott:I think so.
Jamie:Oh, that's interesting.
Scott:I think
Jamie:So you if you have a contract with Bauer, you can't use, like, one person Listen. I I
Scott:don't know I don't know all the details. So, like, I don't wanna, like, I don't wanna misspeak. Yeah. But but the the the point I'm trying to make is that even if, like, players that are at the highest, like, the second highest
Jamie:level Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:Right? They're not using the The top
Jamie:of the line stick.
Scott:The top of the line stick. I'm pretty sure my kid doesn't need the top of line stick.
Jamie:You know, it's funny.
Scott:Do you know what? It can't make that much of a difference.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. We actually have
Scott:At the at the younger ages. You know, if you're, like, if you're
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Ryan Murphy gave us so Ryan Murphy, remember.
Jamie:I don't remember what episode he was. He's the New Jersey Devil skills coach. Yeah. For those those of who listen to our podcast. He gave us the name of the skills guy at Utica, which is the Devil's Yeah.
Jamie:AHL. Yeah. Right? I wanna have him on now and and ask him about, like, the gear. Not not only ask him about what he does because the guy's very talented, but I would almost wanna ask him about, like like, what's the story with gear?
Jamie:Like, how does that work?
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:I'd be curious to hear that. Yeah. You know? Yeah. So we're because I guess the moral of your story is, like, why are we buying our kids top line shit?
Jamie:Kind of. If pros aren't yeah. If pros aren't. Hey. Listen.
Jamie:You're not wrong. Yeah. It's a ton of money. Like I said, it's like a $30.12, $13,000 in sticks.
Scott:It's not the stick that makes the player. That's right. It's the player that makes the stick.
Jamie:And you have to be in Titan battle here when you do it.
Scott:Oh, wow. Look at that.
Jamie:Because
Scott:Look at that.
Jamie:You like that?
Scott:Look at that. Seamlessly
Jamie:just I'm getting good at this. Okay.
Scott:If that's what you call this.
Jamie:We're only thirteen months in.
Scott:Yeah. We're thirteen months in. We're out talking about caravans of cardboard.
Jamie:Listen. This is very important stuff.
Scott:Oh, yeah.
Jamie:So so you guys hockey ed yesterday for the first time in a while.
Scott:Actually, it was the second time in seven days.
Jamie:Second time. Yeah. Did you watch?
Scott:I I walked through the rink.
Jamie:So you did watch?
Scott:When I say I walked through the rink, watched it probably like, I don't know, five minutes of an hour session.
Jamie:Okay. Okay. And?
Scott:And then I left.
Jamie:You liked who you saw that much?
Scott:I no. No. I you know, let's just put it this way. There was a lot of kids on the ice.
Jamie:There's a lot of kids
Scott:on And the so on on one hand, there's like a lot of standing around. And but like, you know, you're watching and there's some kids that are Yeah. Clearly like, you know, pushing themselves. Like it's a wide, you know, skill range. Right?
Scott:So Yeah. Like you'll have, you know and anyway, so that you see some of the higher end kids that are like pushing themselves
Jamie:Right. Through drills. Right.
Scott:And sometimes, some of the higher end kids are not pushing themselves so hard through drills. True.
Jamie:True.
Scott:And so you're watching this.
Jamie:Yeah.
Scott:And you're just like, I could go watch paint dry. And that would be less frustrating.
Jamie:You know, it it's funny. It's funny you say that because we all talk about, like, our kids' effort. Right? And some of us like our kids' effort. Some of us don't like our kids' effort.
Jamie:Right? I will say that there's something to be said for I don't think I don't think every kid is a superstar and takes this super serious from a young age.
Scott:No. Of course not.
Jamie:Right? Like, especially I I could speak for my kid, you know, as with with an the ADHD brain. It's almost like he couldn't take it seriously. Right. But recently, for whatever
Scott:reason He's maturing.
Dr Naser:What do mean?
Jamie:Reason. I think you're right about that. He's maturing, and he's turning a corner. Like, we he saw he skated with RJ on Friday, and RJ came out, and he's like, Jamie, he's asking, like, really, like, good questions. Like, really, like Alright.
Scott:Did you encourage him to ask more questions?
Jamie:I did not. Just curious. No. I did not. Yeah.
Jamie:No? This is the old Dominic just doing it himself. Oh, yeah? I I said nothing to him. So he's doing that, which is awesome.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Like, he's asking, like, RJ, like, what else can I do to get better, like, on the side?
Scott:Like, what
Jamie:what else can I do? And then yesterday, he was at a, like, an Edgework class.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:Which he has not been to for a while. The guy's the Russian guy over at Cutting Edge, he's really good. Oh, okay. Sergei?
Scott:Oh, yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. He he Dom has not seen him in a while. And, and it's funny. I I it's it's I think it's, like, a seventy five minute class.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:And the edge work's great. Yeah. And if you had told me during the season that Dominic's edge work was good, would have been like, I don't know what you're watching.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Right. But yesterday Yeah. And I walked in just to pick him up. Right. I didn't walk in at all.
Jamie:I ran some errands while he was in there. And that was on my laptop. And then I walked in for the last five minutes. And I saw him do one drill. Yeah.
Jamie:He It looked right. It looked right.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:And I haven't seen it look right. Like, was I don't know his legs are getting longer, too. Like, all of a sudden, his turns look everything looks wider. Like, everything looks like
Scott:Like a more stable base.
Jamie:Yeah. So I guess my point is that I think some of the kids dial it in at certain ages. Right? Like, everybody has their own path we always talk about. Yeah.
Jamie:So I I think that us as parents shouldn't get so wound up about our kids' effort. As long as you foster the love for the game and they enjoy coming to the to the rink and they like the game of ice hockey Yeah. They will kind of find it themselves, I feel. And if they're a good player, they really kind of find it themselves.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:You know? And it's interesting. So those five minutes that I was in that that skating class yesterday, I was standing kinda upstairs through the window. Yep. And there's, like, younger parents standing in front of me.
Scott:Oh, they're pointing it down.
Jamie:Pressed up. No. No. They weren't pointing it down. But they were pressed up against the glass.
Jamie:Yeah. And I'm watching them interact with their kid.
Scott:Oh, yeah.
Jamie:And I was like
Scott:No bueno. No. No.
Jamie:They don't know what they don't know yet.
Dr Naser:Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. You know? But for those of you who have mites or squirts that are out there that are listening to us, you don't need to watch your kid 20 fourseven. You don't need to, like, the hand gestures to the glass. Like, you don't need to do that.
Jamie:Like, you just don't. And you look silly to the parents that have been doing this for a while.
Scott:I mean, that's fair. Like, yeah.
Jamie:Right? Like, the parents that have been doing this look at you and they're like,
Scott:I'm rookie.
Jamie:Yeah. 100%. They're like, okay.
Scott:Rookie.
Jamie:You're super green. You don't get it yet. Will all find their own path. You know what I mean? You can't again, I wish I had this podcast when I was starting with Dominic, because I was that schmuck at the glass.
Jamie:And I wasn't doing the hand gestures, and I think we talked about it with Doctor. Naser on the interview, but I was more of the I was staying in the rink, because number one, I liked watching him. It was cool to watch your kid. It's neat to see your kid do that stuff. And he had some abilities, so it was cool to watch.
Jamie:But his ADHD, he would never pay attention. So I would always try to focus him back. But you know what? In hindsight, I wouldn't have even stayed in there, Scott. I would have just been like, listen, the coach will fucking deal with you.
Jamie:And if you're not paying attention, he's gonna he'll sit you down or he'll do whatever he's gonna
Scott:Right. Right.
Jamie:You know? But it was funny watching like it's funny watching younger parents
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Younger hockey fans with like a brand new player
Scott:Totally.
Jamie:Because they don't get it yet. Yeah.
Scott:Well, it's funny. I told this I told this story on the podcast before and but for for those that maybe didn't hear it, it was like maybe three it must have been like three years ago at this point. I was walking to I was walking
Jamie:That's great story.
Scott:We an early morning game Yeah. And we were you know walking into the rink and like the dads and their kids and I'm walking I'm walking behind another dad on Otto's team and like it's in a rink that's you know pretty big and there's like a lot of
Jamie:parents sitting in the stands.
Jamie:A lot of young kids on the ice.
Scott:It's like a learn to play. Yes. Right? And so all these parents are like you know just looking and ah, oh ing and ah ing and so the dad turns back over his shoulder, looks at me goes suckers.
Jamie:You've told that story a couple of times. He's so right, dude. It's like, you don't know how much money you're gonna spend and how much fucking a oddity you're gonna have.
Scott:Pink cloud of, like, watching their kid. Like, oh my god. Look. You can see
Jamie:that Look kid's at Johnny. Look at little Joey. He just slid on his butt from the, you know, the blue line all way to the goal line. Right. Yeah.
Jamie:No. It's it's listen. It's great. It's it's great for for you parents that are just getting into it. Listen.
Jamie:And and you parents that are already in it, I don't need to tell you. You already know it's great.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:But it's funny when you watch new hockey parents. Totally. Because they just don't get it yet. Yeah. But that's what we're here for.
Scott:No doubt. Right? No doubt. And speaking of children
Jamie:Yes.
Scott:Who our next our guest on today's episode Yes. Has an extensive pediatric background.
Jamie:She does.
Scott:So is a PhD behavioral scientist and board certified behavioral analyst and founder and director of human performance at the Naser Institute for Behavioral Sports Psychology. Yeah. She I know she has an extensive background with pediatrics with children.
Jamie:Yeah. She mentions on our interview. She's she was she worked at Johns Hopkins, the Kennedy Krieger Institute. Yeah. No.
Jamie:She's a very impressive young lady.
Scott:Yeah. And so I know she, you know, currently working as a, you know, mental performance specialist, with athletes, you know, from the younger ages all the way up to the NHL.
Jamie:A lot of NHL clients. I think she started with some golfers too. She's she's starting to branch out into other sports.
Scott:Right. Right.
Jamie:Yeah. She's because she's good at what she does. Yeah. So you could see that she's in demand.
Scott:Yeah. So in any event
Jamie:the real deal.
Scott:It was yeah. Great conversation. So why don't we just kick it over to her now?
Jamie:Everybody enjoy.
Jamie:Enjoy, everyone. Alright everybody, welcome to our next interview. Today we have a really good one. We're bringing in Doctor. Alicia Naser PhD, a mental performance and mindsets mindset specialist who works with a wide range of athletes all the way from, you know, teenagers, if not younger, and we'll find out more in a bit, all the way up to the NHL.
Jamie:So if there's anyone that knows a bit about this topic, it's her, so happy to have you on the podcast.
Dr Naser:Thanks you guys for having me. I'm really excited to be on.
Jamie:Amazing. Amazing.
Jamie:So It's been a while. You know? Yeah. It's been a while. A 100%.
Dr Naser:Yeah. For the listener, we've been trying to get this going for a few months now. Yep. But especially especially during the season, though. During the season, I'm I'm very busy.
Scott:I'm
Dr Naser:sure. Yeah. But but I'm glad we're here.
Jamie:Yeah. Yes. Absolutely. So so are we. But yeah.
Jamie:So just for anyone I mean, we see a ton of you on on Instagram and on social. And, you know, for anyone that's listening that doesn't is not familiar with you yet, if if you don't mind just sharing with the audience, like, you know, you know, what you do for, you know, your your day job and and kind of how you got got to where you are.
Dr Naser:Yeah. Thank you. So I'm a board certified behavior analyst, and it's simply what that means is my PhD is an applied behavior analysis, and that's essentially the study of human behavior. And so we can study human behavior across different contexts, environments, populations, demographics. It everything is behavior.
Dr Naser:Right? And so I started, I did not start in sport. However, I'll give a little background on that, but I originally started working with children with autism. My brother Naser, he has autism. He's 38 now, but back in 1988, he was diagnosed with autism, so that's how I got into the field of helping children with special needs.
Dr Naser:And I pursued my education. I have three degrees along the lines of child development and child development in psychology. And I did a lot of clinical training and academic training in different areas of The United States in pediatrics. So I was at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Maryland in their pediatric department at Kennedy Krieger, I was at University of Nebraska Omaha in their pediatric department, so I did a lot of clinical and academic training in these areas. And I was in the thick of it, in the trenches of pediatrics and child development and neurodevelopmental disabilities for many, many years.
Dr Naser:And I always thought I was going to open up my own clinic. That was originally the plan. And things as they always happen in life don't go according But to in this case, it actually was a blessing in disguise because in 2020, when COVID hit, that's when I left the hospital system in the clinical setting because, obviously, a lot of people were leaving. They were only keeping, you know, a certain amount, but I also too was burnt out. A lot of BCBAs, which is the short acronym for board certified behavior analyst, if you ever heard of autism clinics around, it's all BCBAs mainly and speech pathologists and OTs, But a lot of BCBAs are very burnt out, and so my concern was opening up a clinic and hiring BCBAs that are also burnt out.
Dr Naser:And the way that, you know, insurance and the bureaucracy, it was just not something I really wanted to deal with. And so in 2020, when COVID hit, I left, kind of started posting general psychology content on Instagram. And at first, I had created a couple courses on self esteem, and I created it on self esteem from a behavioral science lens. And that was great, and, you know, it did really well for a little bit. And then it was like, okay, selling to the general population is kind of tough.
Dr Naser:You know, you really have to convince people to and I didn't wanna have to do that. I was exhausted already from some twelve years of getting a doctorate. And being, you know, born and raised in Michigan, the algorithm I tell people kinda just works out in your favor. It really does. Like, wherever you are, the algorithm shows you stuff related to wherever you are and people in your area.
Dr Naser:And I live really, like, in Plymouth, Northville area, which obviously, as we know, is just really connected to hockey for obvious reasons. And so originally,
Jamie:what
Dr Naser:had happened is a player from Michigan State had reached out to me via DMs and was like, hey, this strategy you posted really helped me during my game. And from there, I kind of had this idea, well, I could just niche down in the content I was putting out. And I was like, why don't I make it more athlete specific? But then from there, I even was like, let me just focus on one sport specifically because trying to tackle all sports felt overwhelming. And so I decided to just focus on hockey specifically.
Dr Naser:And it you know, there's the story is really
Jamie:long, but I'll keep it
Dr Naser:short is is that's kind of how it rolled is then from there, it would connect to another player and another player. And by working with them, I learned about hockey more. Like, yes, I'm from a hockey town, but I mean, I would just go to Red Wings games for the fun of it to see my cousins. You know, not something. I was like, I don't I can't even walk.
Dr Naser:I don't even know where the puck is at. And now I'm like, I know where the puck is at. I'm like, totally different Alicia from then versus now. Now I'm like, I know what, you know, you know, off size means and all that and and all that. And so I learned a lot about hockey working with hockey players, and then I just kept putting content out from there, and it turned into something, and I just kinda rolled with it.
Dr Naser:And now I work with professional athletes of all sport. I'm slowly, you know, kind of branching out into other sports, but my main clientele are hockey players of some in the NHL and d one, aHL, the OHL, and what have you. So this crossover of me coming on this podcast is really nice because I have the pediatric child development background, and you guys are crazy hockey dads. And you know what? Actually, I do get I have on my newsletter, which I'll give you my information at the end, anyone who doesn't follow, I do have a section that's just for parents because I get asked so much so many questions about parents, which I'm sure we'll talk about today.
Dr Naser:So I'm looking forward to that's a bit about my background. Goes It more in-depth. There's a lot to it, but that's the general gist.
Jamie:That's amazing. So now do you absolutely love the game of hockey
Dr Naser:or I'm you can't convince yeah, I'm obsessed. And you can't convince me that there's a better sport than hockey, except tennis. Like, I love I'm a big I love tennis. However, when it comes to, like, a team sport, it's hockey. And I also it's funny.
Dr Naser:I have a couple of tennis players and and golfers on the PGA tour and that that I'm working with, but I still am like, there's this is this is boring, guys. Like, come on, hockey? Like, let's we need to turn hockey on,
Jamie:you know?
Dr Naser:I'm like, because, you know, once you understand it and you and you just watch it and you go to a game, like, you're like, wow, like, this is this is amazing. It's thrilling. It's really beautiful in so many ways. So now I'm just obsessed. Yeah,
Jamie:so it's a best game by far.
Dr Naser:Really it really is and you really have to I even take my brother who has autism and he doesn't like loud noises And I, you know, I'll take him and and he's like, I like the Red Wings because they're wearing red. I'm like, hey, that's good enough for me, you know? Absolutely. So
Jamie:so you've, like, gone deep into, like, hockey minds. Is there anything that you've noticed, like, about just the game of hockey that seems to be, like, either, like, a reoccurring theme or, like, any trends that, like, hockey players broadly, are challenged with? Anything along those lines?
Dr Naser:Yeah. It's a good question. There are many, but there are there are patterns. And I would say the pressure, which we hear this word pressure all of the time. Right?
Dr Naser:But from my job is to break it down through a behavioral lens. So I help them with mindset and the mental side of the game. But then also, I do a lot of tweaking in their game in general because there are some things, you know, a lot of guys watch film and there's video analysis and and stats and all this, but if we can break things down into more behavioral behavior specific definitions, then we can change them. So for example, to answer your question, pressure and handling pressure, and then also with how quickly the game moves. So one of the themes that comes up often is dealing with the pressure in big moments because the puck is only on your stick for a very short period of time.
Dr Naser:And in that period of time, you have to be very impactful with it. And so many variables and things can happen during that time that can impact whether or not you are impactful. And then that affects the next shift and the next few shifts and whether or not you're even scratched and you don't go out the next couple of shifts. So a lot of it is dealing with pressure and handling pressure. And a second one that I would say, and this is in no hierarchical order, but a second theme that pops up often is I teach them quick emotional recoveries.
Dr Naser:Because if you just turned the puck over and you know your coach is not happy, you're also not happy. Or if you took a penalty late in the third when it's tied and it cost or could have cost your team. Yeah. I mean, even just thinking about like Frozen four because I was just all over that, you know, and watching. And I was like, oh, no, he took a penalty and it was late.
Dr Naser:It was in overtime. I think it was maybe Michigan. Don't recall. And, you know, you have to recover emotionally quickly from that because it's gonna impact what your play looks like the next couple of shifts, and you don't want it to because you don't play your best when you're thinking about what just happened and you're stuck on mistakes. And then the third thing, Scott, to answer your question, is a lot of people, coaches, and even parents will say, he's really hard on himself, or she's really hard on herself.
Dr Naser:And to my response to that is, well, like, duh, it's hockey. You should yeah. I mean, it's it's it's a kind of a natural response to be hard on yourself. For me, it's more about the duration of time that you're hard on yourself, and then what do you do with that afterward? Because I don't think it's realistic for athletes, especially athletes who are competitive and want to go far, to not be hard on themselves.
Dr Naser:So, those are three that just pop out at the top of my mind, but there are patterns, and in my business, I've collected a lot of data on what these patterns look like, And, you know, I create content around it, but also I use it with coaches, GMs, and scouts to inform how they're making decisions.
Scott:Oh, that makes sense.
Jamie:So you're essentially and tell me if I'm understanding this. So you're essentially teaching them, like, coping skills to basically, like, realize the mistake, forget it, move on, and obviously be purposeful on the next shift. Right? Because if you're sitting there ruminating about something, you're gonna go on the next shift, and you're gonna be a mess in your own head. Right?
Dr Naser:Yeah. No. So I don't necessarily have to teach them to notice the mistake because they're aware of it. Right? Yeah.
Dr Naser:But to your point, I I know you meant. But to your point, it's not forget about it, move on. Because a lot of people will say, oh, just forget about it, or don't focus on the points, or don't focus on this or that, but that's actually not the most helpful mindset to have around it because and I tell players this all the time, all my clients is, I'm not gonna tell you to not care about it or forget about it because you do care and that's why it matters to you. And that's why it's replaying in your mind. If you didn't care, it wouldn't be replaying in your mind.
Dr Naser:And so it's actually something called psychological flexibility in the psychology literature, and I teach them how to be psychologically flexible. And what that means, to your point, Jamie, is not to just forget about it or don't worry about it because points do matter in hockey. I mean, at least at the higher levels. Right? We're talking about children and kids playing for for the fun of the game, that's a little bit different.
Dr Naser:But even then, they still care. They're competitive.
Jamie:Yeah. They definitely do.
Dr Naser:And so what I teach them is how to be psychologically flexible so that strategies that work for each player that don't necessarily teach them to forget about it, but teach them, okay, what are you gonna do about it, or what are you gonna do with that information? Does that difference the differentiation help with that?
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. So let me ask you a question. So what do you see so on on to kind of continue that, what do you see so when a player obviously realized he made a mistake and he and he's gonna go out and do something with that, you know, the next shift, what do you see? He's gonna go out and be more aggressive.
Jamie:He's gonna go out and be more, I don't know, purposeful and like, you know, driving somebody in through the boards. Like, what what what's what's the strategy that you would teach when your clients, you know, when they're on there for the next shift after a mistake?
Dr Naser:Well, the answer to that is that it would depend because it depends on the person. It's very person specific. And this is where, you know, like, people can follow along some of my content that I put out, and I put a lot of strategies out there. But a quick one right now off the top of my head that I can give you is we see a lot of, like, gripping their stick a little tighter after they make a mistake, right, or not wanting to go all out because they don't want to make another mistake. And to that, I would just push back and say, well, how is what you're doing helping you?
Dr Naser:Like, how is that the thing that is going to help you go all out and play your best? And you can see it even in the first three strides of a player's shift. It's not as explosive sometimes. They're holding back. And so that's where you have to really say, like, who are you as a player, and how is how is you holding back allowing for you to align with that player that you actually are?
Dr Naser:Because it's not. It's two different things. It's not. No. Yeah.
Dr Naser:You're not, like, being true to who you are. And they'd but it but it's really it's much easier said than done, right? And this is why putting the mental this is why with my clients, it's about putting the mental reps in the same way, you know, people go for or athletes go to train to skate and strength and conditioning, you really have to put the mental reps in because it's not something that I'm just gonna tell somebody one time and they're gonna get it. It can happen. I've seen it happen before.
Dr Naser:But then after that, to sustain it for longevity purposes, it requires putting the mental reps in and working with like a trained professional.
Jamie:Right. That makes total sense. And when you talk to, you know, just thinking about like, okay, the difference between someone who's mature and old enough to be able to, you know, take that feedback and work on it themselves, you know, obviously we deal with, I deal with my own kid, Jamie deals with his kid, our listeners deal with their kids, and you know, a lot of times parents, you know, the ones who are in their ear, for better or for worse. Could you, you know, from your experience working with pediatrics, and like, in terms of children, and it's probably fair to bracket it with some age, you know, like, bounds, but if you
Scott:could maybe just, lay out
Jamie:a little bit, like, maybe stages of development for kids and, like, maybe within the lens of hockey, some things that may or may not be helpful as a parent to, you know, either, you know, to do or not do with their children. Yeah.
Dr Naser:And I was the I was looking over some of the questions you guys had sent me from before, so we can kind of go over those and tackle those if that's helpful.
Jamie:Sure.
Dr Naser:Yeah. Because it's along the lines of of what you're asking. Yeah. And it's interesting because the questions that you guys had sent me were the ones that I get all of the time of, Should I stay at practice? If I see something that I don't like about his game, should I point it out?
Dr Naser:Should I be comparing him to other players and things like that? And you know, there are caveats. There's always nuances and it's important for the listener to keep that in mind. But from a general standpoint, when children are developing, it's really important for them to explore, to mess up, to get feedback, and for them to also have a sense of when I go home to whom whomever I'm going home with, that's a a an an environment that is comfortable and safe, and I'm free to be who I am and to mess up and make mistakes. And the attention or lack thereof that I might be getting or affection or lack thereof or praise that I might be getting from a parent is not dependent on performance.
Dr Naser:Now, I should pause for a moment just to say, I'm not a parent, hopefully one day, but I'm not a parent at the moment. However, I know how difficult the job of being a parent is. So I also want to preface all of this by saying I'm well aware that being a parent is the hardest job, which is part of why I do this as a profession and did for so long was to help parents out because there is no manual. Parents do the absolute best that they can. And even though some of the things that I might say in this podcast, they I I just wanna be so clear that it I fully believe most parents are well intended, and they're doing the best that they can.
Dr Naser:And sometimes their best is it it looks different for everybody in the moment. Right? That the best for everybody looks different. I just want to make that clear because I never ever want a parent to ever feel bad about themselves or like, oh, I'm doing a bad job, a poor job as a parent. Like, I never believe that to be the case.
Dr Naser:But there are always ways for everybody to improve, and I think sometimes just a matter of the absence of information of not knowing until you know.
Jamie:Yeah, sure.
Dr Naser:When it comes to parenting a young athlete, first of all, I think parents are so busy. So when I hear that parent stay at practice, I'm like, what are you doing? Go to errands, get a copy to yourself or, you know, do something. I'm very curious to that because I hear now, I think the intention is maybe, if I'm there, they'll see me there. They'll be focused and and maybe be on their a game or they'll they'll be they'll perform differently.
Dr Naser:I'm not quite sure. But from the parents that I've spoken with, I'm just like, why are you staying at practice? Go to have some time to yourself. So I would be interested to know, like, do you think the intention is behind that from your perspective as parents?
Jamie:That's interesting because you want me to take this or want to go ahead, Scott?
Jamie:Well, no, I was just you know, for myself, well, I mean, we can both answer, but real quick. So I coached, and when I so when I first started watching my son play hockey, I played hockey when I was a kid growing up, and then I was at the rink, and I'm like, Well, if I'm gonna be at the rink, I kinda wanna help. And then, like, I asked the coach if I could, like, help, and then they invited me on the bench, and it kinda, like, just spiraled into me coaching at some point. Mhmm. So I was always there because, honestly, I love the game of hockey, and just being in a rink is, like, nice and, you know, all that stuff.
Jamie:But then I'm also curious about my kid. And then what there's a there comes a time when you're you're watching and you it's no longer about just kind of observing what's going on there, you're judging and critiquing. And, you know, if you have a kid that's passionate about something and you want to foster that, like part
Scott:of
Jamie:it is like, oh, I want to see how you're doing. Mhmm. How how are you interacting at practice? Are you being a good teammate? Are you working hard?
Jamie:Because if you say you wanna go to play D one or the NHL, oh, I'm gonna take a look and I, you know, I wanna help you. You're my kid.
Dr Naser:Absolutely. Yeah.
Jamie:You know? And so that's kind of like for me, and just real quick, at some point, I decided because I would get frustrated with what I was seeing out there, which is so not fair, but I would. Then I was like, I'm not gonna watch practice anymore. So then I stopped going. But then you know what happened?
Jamie:My son was like, why did you leave practice?
Dr Naser:Write this.
Jamie:And then he saw that I was gone. And then he'd be like, no. I want you to watch. And then so then part of me was like, okay. Listen, buddy.
Jamie:I got a lot of other things I need to take care of, but I'll certainly come in, and I'll check out some practice. You know? I I don't have to be totally absent. But yeah, don't know. I think parents invest a lot of money they That's probably
Dr Naser:time. And time.
Scott:And they want
Jamie:to see what is all of that getting their Yeah.
Dr Naser:Well, to your point, though, so you're bringing up some good points. I think your path is maybe maybe maybe or maybe not slightly different than some at least because of the coaching. Right? Yeah. So there's that you were there anyway.
Dr Naser:You're curious about your kid. It's I think it's also nice for parents to see their kids have fun. That's also really reinforcing. And you're not wrong with parents invest, especially hockey. It's a lot of money.
Dr Naser:It's a lot of time and energy. I think to that point that assessment though of competitive competitiveness and potential should be assessed at a much later age for certain children and certain kids. And so I think from whatever that benchmark time might be, scouts would have a better answer to that question than I would. But I think from an early age onward up until, let's say, high school or maybe even a little past, you know, high school as we're thinking about college, I feel like to preserve the parent child dynamic, which is extremely important for healthy child development, is to preserve that parent child interaction, would be for parents to attend only if they can be neutral in their body language, neutral in their expression, neutral in their verbal behavior to their child in the car on the ride home. Because I have had in the past a few a few instances, it's gotten a lot better.
Dr Naser:It actually was a wonderful story, where, and I don't think this is an uncommon situation, of a child avoiding or not wanting the ride home after the rink because so and so is upset with them. And I want to just give you this example might sound silly, but it's something in behavior analysis called stimulus control. If a baby is always handed a cookie by their grandmother when the grandmother walks into the room, now the grandmother has stimulus control over, oh, I always get a cookie every time grandma walks into the room. If parent and so the grandmother has something called stimulus control, which means essentially it's an indication that this reward of a cookie is coming. Okay?
Dr Naser:Now, if we translate
Jamie:that
Dr Naser:to mom or dad or whomever caregiver is in the stands watching my practice, and every time after, maybe not every time, but the majority of instances, there is a reprimand or not even just a reprimand, perhaps just negative intonation in the interaction, the dialogue in the car, then the parent starts to develop the stimulus control for every time on the ride home so and so is upset with me or disappointed in me. And that's not to say as parents that parents absolutely have the right to be disappointed or upset with their children whenever that's an inappropriate time. Great? However, I don't think sport for a young child developing, I don't know if that's necessarily the most appropriate time to to need to be disappointed in your child. And that's why I think that it's best to not watch if you don't need to be there.
Dr Naser:And it's not an indication or signal of, oh, I don't love my child. I'm I'm not watching because I don't love my child. That's not it at all. It's just this is part of being this is part of childhood is allowing my child to go engage in their extracurricular, and it's completely independent of our parent child dynamic because parents are invested rightfully so, and so they care, and you can't help but not then comment on what you saw at practice. Now, when it gets to when the child develops in their young adolescence and we're talking, okay, you gonna go to college and play college scholarship?
Dr Naser:Is that a thing? What are we doing here? Then I think it's okay then to start to engage in that conversation and be more involved. But again, for a healthy parent child dynamic and to preserve that. And most importantly, for a child to know that their sense of self worth is not based or rooted in a parent's approval or disapproval of them because it's incredibly important for childhood, but also just in general how they develop as healthy human beings who are emotionally intelligent and have a solid sense of self worth.
Dr Naser:There's this old saying, I'm probably gonna butcher it, but in psychology of it's harder, it's easier to build up a healthy child than to to help fix like a broken man or something like that. It's and it it hits so close to home because it's I think for all of us, like, if we can get ahead and be proactive of how a child is developing and think about the repercussions into early and late adulthood and the trajectory of their life, and it all does start in the home environment and with the parent child interaction. So a long winded way of saying, if you don't need to be at practice and you don't have to be at practice, to, you know, go enjoy here a little bit of forty five minutes of alone time or what have you and then perhaps that discussion of, okay, spending time at practice and giving feedback and observing. And then we can also talk about, like, when does a parent need to be commenting and is it just a coach's job? Should they intervene or what have you?
Dr Naser:But I'll pause for a moment if there's anything on that.
Jamie:I'm I'm curious. So because we have heard a lot of stories like that about parents, like, destroying a relationship with their their kid in in the car, in the home, and so on and so forth. So how do you fix that? Because I'm sure there's people that listen to us who are in that boat, I'm sure they're like screaming right now going, what do I do?
Dr Naser:Yes. Great question. There was the my how do you fix it? Number one, that requires of a parent to first of all, check themselves and develop self awareness about their own emotional reactions. Right?
Dr Naser:Are, you know, one of the things that makes us different than other species is our verbal behavior. Other species communicate and other species have emotions, but our verbal behavior is what makes us different. And so our verbal behavior and how we're speaking is also connected to our emotions and how we're feeling. And we're very reactive as individuals in general, and especially about the things that we're passionate about and we invest in. And so you can't blame a parent for being reactive or emotional in their interaction because they're invested in their child, they are invested financially with their time, their energy.
Dr Naser:However, you have to pause for a moment as a parent and think, how is what I'm about to say or what I'm about to do going to help the development and healthy nurturing of my child? And most importantly, how is it going to help either preserve or break the parent child dynamic? Because also, as a parent, I imagine you want your child to come to you with other struggles they might be having in life outside of sport, whether it's maybe they're being bullied by peers at school, maybe it's when they're a little bit older, maybe you want them to come talk to you about a girlfriend or a boyfriend that they're dating, or maybe something that's not ideal happening to them. You want them to feel comfortable coming to you, and if you create a barrier that does not allow for them to come to you feeling like they can open up to you about anything, that's problematic, right? And it's unfortunate, and I don't think any parent wants that, but sometimes they develop that barrier without realizing that they're doing it.
Dr Naser:So to answer your question, Jamie, a way to do that is as parents because your child needs a ride home anyway, so you're going be in the car with them. And I tell all parents this is anything your child says, and I even tell this to parents, you know, of clients who may be even playing the NHL. This applies to anybody. When your child gets into the car and they're sad because so and so was playing on this line or playing with that teammate or coach didn't put them on power play one or whatever the case might be, right? Simply repeat back to them what they're saying in the most neutral tone that you can with very little facial expression and just repeat back to them what they're hearing.
Dr Naser:So so and so says, I'm so frustrated because x, or z happened. All you have to say as a parent is It sounds frustrating. It sounds like you're frustrated right now. So not only are you responding to them, but you're also helping them label and identify what they're feeling, which is also important for their development. But as a parent, to kind of recap all this is number one, identifying your own intentions and checking yourself and your own emotions.
Dr Naser:Pausing for a moment, which is very difficult to do. But then number three, responding to your child in a way that's neutral, neutral in tone and expression. And where you find that it is necessary for you to intervene at a more intense level, go about doing that as necessary and maybe inquire with, you know, a trusted professional if you need to, but it's really about preserving the parent child dynamic by being as neutral as possible and not trying to interfere with whatever is going on until it's necessary.
Jamie:A little bit of a follow-up to that is, what about a kid that is like doesn't share? And like as a parent, you know, like maybe their body language is off or like you have a feeling that something's not right or good, either way. But just kind of like is there a smarter way to kind of probe and try to get some information out of them to understand, like, where your kid's at?
Dr Naser:Yeah. And I it's a great question because I think oftentimes we inundate children with questions, and we're like, well, what happened? And why are you feeling this? Or why aren't you saying anything? Or x, y, or z?
Dr Naser:A good way to do that is to simply share like a time that you went through something, even if as a parent, you're kind of maybe making something up about one time when I was in school, when I was your age, and when I was younger, this thing happened to me. And I see sometimes a kid will be in the car like, really? Like, that you went through like, in their mind, they're thinking you went through that too, and that might incline them to open up a bit more. Mhmm. Because that also too is it's a great question because it depends on personality traits.
Dr Naser:Right? Like, there's personality traits. There's characteristics of every child that is different. So as a parent, how you're parenting is dependent upon the child and who they are in their own personality and their characteristics. So asking questions is one way to probe, but also sharing your own stories as a parent is also a way that could potentially open up, allow for your child to open up.
Jamie:Yeah, that's great.
Jamie:So, I know we don't have a lot of time, so I want to keep
Dr Naser:this going. You know, can go a little over, it's okay. Yeah. We can we can go to we can go to 50.
Jamie:Okay. We could go for hours, by
Dr Naser:the way.
Scott:Like Yeah.
Jamie:We literally could go for, like Then
Dr Naser:you can go to the scouting meeting I have after this and let them know.
Jamie:Yeah. But we're gonna have to get back on for, like, a two, three, four, five, six. So we get a lot of alright. So I'm very open and honest on the podcast about my child. So he he just turned 14 two days ago.
Jamie:He has ADHD, like textbook. Like, you look at the dentist, he's gonna make ADHD, and he's got them all. Mhmm. It's funny when you mentioned, you know, you know, if you're in the rank and some of I Okay. Experience it.
Jamie:So when Dominic was six, seven, eight, nine, I would be in the ring because Dominic couldn't sit still. We just try time till I get hold of his feet instead of, like, bouncing off the wall. Right? So years later, I left the rink. I'm like, you gotta figure this out of its own.
Jamie:So I left the rink, and I had not been watching the practice, like, three years. Okay? So that's my story why I I kinda moved out of the ring. I I realized he was he was always looking over at me. It was not a good situation.
Jamie:So I left. I I walked out of the ring.
Dr Naser:Was he okay with that, or does he want you to be watching? No.
Jamie:He was fine. Yeah. He he he wants me to come to games, but he has no problem. I mean, Bryce Salvador, you know, has has mentioned to me in the past, you know, the most development that he saw Was that
Dr Naser:when you?
Jamie:Yeah. With during COVID when parents weren't allowed in the building.
Dr Naser:I believe it.
Jamie:Right? So I have not watched, and I kinda giggle when parents go in and watch every practice. I just sit in the lobby on my laptop. You know? I mean, so you know?
Jamie:But I guess the question is is, you know, we have a
Jamie:lot of parents
Jamie:who have ADHD young boy hockey pep
Dr Naser:Of course. You
Jamie:know, how do you as a parent because you don't wanna over parent,
Dr Naser:but you have the parent.
Jamie:What do you do? It's like you're stuck with your ADHD child.
Dr Naser:What do you mean just so I understand the question correctly, what do you do in that kind of a situation resembling what you just described?
Jamie:Like, because kids the ADHD child, the typical ADHD kid can't sit still. Right? Mhmm. So do you let them flounder and kinda let them just and let the coaches know that, hey. Listen.
Jamie:Like, ADHD
Dr Naser:because normally Yeah. Which is why sports actually great for children with ADHD because it kind yeah.
Jamie:Which is why he gravitates toward hockey.
Dr Naser:Well, exactly. It's all over the place. It doesn't stop. Paceball was not
Jamie:for him. Right? That didn't work. No other sport worked for him. Hockey was perfect.
Jamie:But the only difference is sometimes, unfortunately, and my wife says it all the time, being a kindergarten teacher, the ADHD child sometimes is labeled a behavior problem when
Dr Naser:it's Oh, absolutely. Really
Jamie:when can't control, right?
Dr Naser:Yeah. Absolutely. So I want to be careful, I just have to give this disclaimer, this is not medical advice, and you think that you know, okay. However, I've you know, obviously have worked in the past with many children with this diagnosis and yeah, when it when it gets to a it depends on the context. I should first say that context matters.
Dr Naser:I think to your point, context matters in that their age matters, where they're at in their development, and the the environment that they're in. And in fact, hockey is it moves quickly, but it's a difficult sport also to to maintain your attention. And so in that situation, I think just informing the coach and the coaching staff of of this is he has his diagnosis and and hopefully that they can acclimate and accommodate to that. But you're right, actually it often gets misdiagnosed or labeled as behavioral issues or behavioral difficulties. But this is why context is really important and really in-depth assessments are really important with professionals who are properly trained because then they can say, oh no, this isn't a behavioral issue.
Dr Naser:It's not noncompliance. He just has ADHD. Letting informing coaches, and then, you know, to their point, coaches do so much and they have so much, but hopefully that there are ways of going about environmental enrichment for children with learning disabilities or ADHD where you can make the environment that they're learning in, even in hockey, one in which it supports their diagnoses or just their needs that they may have, which it's so much to ask of a coach too, and they're already doing a lot. But even as a parent, maybe perhaps a way that a parent can even make a coach's, you know, support the coach and work collaboratively in that situation is finding out perhaps maybe my child needs, if it's cones, let's say, this color cone instead of this color cone, or maybe they need something to occupy while they're waiting for their turn in the drill, And you as the parent, not to add on more jobs for parents because they already do enough, but you do maybe some research or find resources, and then you bring that to the coach, and it's sort of like, hey, this is what my child needs.
Dr Naser:Can you incorporate this into the practice?
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. But that's why I would stay there, you know, when he was young because I, you know, when he saw me through the glass, he would kind of realize, oh, I need to pay attention.
Dr Naser:Right? Well, so you had stimulus control. Remember I talked about stimulus You had stimulus control for attention of, So I need actually a lot of parents end up doing that where they'll stay because they go, they stay or they push harder, they try harder, or they're more compliant if I stay. Then I would say you're bringing stimulus control under the wrong condition. You don't want that.
Dr Naser:You want your child to be able because then you gotta follow Jamie, your child around all the time to get him to, like his driver's test, you're gonna
Jamie:have to just
Dr Naser:re drive him.
Jamie:See you don't why I left the link. He's gonna have it up in there for years.
Dr Naser:So the point is, you wanna train the behavior of attending. Attending isn't a behavior. You want to train that behavior under one condition and then it'll translate across other conditions. But again, this is all just information you don't know till you know. So now you know a little bit, hopefully.
Jamie:Let me ask you a bit about comparison, right? And I think parents compare their kids to other kids, and certainly kids are comparing themselves to their peers. Mhmm. You know? And let's just say we have you know, I I I don't know.
Jamie:I I guess the well, if you have a kid that's, you know, like, always saying, you know, oh, he's better than me or I'm not, you know, like, whatever. Just just kind of putting themselves down, like, having a negative self talk around comparison. Mhmm. If you notice that as a parent, is there anything that you can one one could say to kind of either, I don't know, reinforce positive self talk or, you know, give them a different perspective to to help to stop the comparison?
Dr Naser:When it comes to comparison, as a a young child and adolescent, we are comparing ourselves because this is how we learn about ourselves and we develop a sense of self identity and what have you, but at the same, so it's a good thing in certain situations. Comparison is not always bad, but to your point in this situation, it becomes detrimental when we're comparing our sense of self worth, our ability, our talent, our skill, or lack thereof to others and we're countering it with, I'm not good enough, I'm not as good as so and so. So comparison is healthy up until a certain point, but for a parent in responding, I'm a big proponent of being realistic again. It's part of psychological flexibility is being rational So, I'm not one if there is a child that's better than, know, my hypothetical child, I'm not one to say, oh, no, you're better than him or so and so because that might not be the case. The other kid may be better and I think there's a part of also healthy child development where we have to be realistic and a child has to learn to deal with maybe somebody is better than them, but then what can they do with their skill set?
Dr Naser:And so as a parent, can respond, trying to think of the best way that, I would respond again. Always neutral like so and so yes, so and so may be better at better right now at doing X, Y, or Z than you and what are you also good at? So instead of the word but, I would replace it with the word and because it allows for two opposite things to be true at the same time. This is a strategy that is very useful across all ages. It's something I call and statements and you want to take the word but and replace it with and because a lot of times in our statements when we're talking, we don't realize what we'll say.
Dr Naser:So and so is better or is better at you than this, but you're better that you're better at this And that doesn't really help either because it's kind of one upping, and that's also not necessarily the tone that you want to set. You want to set the tone of, I may not be the best at this moment, or I may not be good at this moment in this skill, and I'm going to continue working on this skill and at the same time, I'm going to continue to be good at this skill. So the word and allows for the mind to create less friction around comparison and around identity and not feeling good enough. And it allows for a child to say, okay, there's an open road here that I can do something about however I'm feeling and the comparison I'm making, But I don't think comparisons, they're not always, I mean, we got to be realistic, we're always comparing ourselves all the time.
Jamie:For sure.
Dr Naser:But then you have to ask, well, how is it going to help you? So as a parent, you know, depending on the age of your child, well, how is comparing yourself to little Johnny going to help you get better? How is it making you feel about yourself? Do you feel good when you compare yourself to little Johnny? And maybe your child's like, no, not really, it makes me feel bad.
Dr Naser:Well, let's maybe do something different then. Maybe let's not compare ourselves and instead, let's identify what we're going to continue working on, and is it necessarily terrible if somebody's better at you than something? No, because it's also not realistic for you to always be great at everything and better than everybody. So a lot of these things that I'm giving you, the both of you right now on the list, it really depends on the age of the child, but for them to understand it, but you can adapt it and modify as needed.
Jamie:Right. Right. And as you're talking about, this is also making me think a lot about, like, confidence.
Jamie:Mhmm.
Jamie:Right? And like there's some kids that are just confident. Right? Like, you no doubt about it. That's the way they they, you know, landed on planet Earth, and there's others that don't have it, and there's all different shades of it.
Jamie:But, you know, I I think most parents want their kids to be confident in men in in what they do and how they go about their life. Mhmm. And if a kid's lacking confidence or, know, could could you just touch upon that and and how how we can support our kids in helping them become more confident students, hockey players, whatever the case might be.
Dr Naser:Yeah. Absolutely. The first way as a parent is to demonstrate confidence yourself. And to and and I I think that gets overlooked, but to demonstrate what it behaviors that are indicative are indicators of a confident individual. But to your point though really quick, Scott, actually, I don't know if it's the case that some kids are just born confident.
Dr Naser:Actually, you know, I think it's a learned trait. It's a learned behavior. It's a learned mindsets are behaviors and it's a learned behavior. So the good news there is that every behavior is learned, which means every behavior can be unlearned or it can be learned. So confidence can anyone can learn behaviors that are indicators of confidence.
Dr Naser:So, all is not lost if your child is not confident and all is not lost if your child is a little overly confident for reasons maybe they shouldn't be or maybe they can be. But as a parent, demonstrating confidence yourself, but it's more important not to necessarily be confident in something or your ability to do something, it's more important to be confident in your ability to overcome adversity because it's when things go wrong or when we're not feeling our best, like if a child is anxious, right? This is very common with children who maybe are anxious or have anxious tendencies. Lot of parents will ask me, he's so anxious or she's so anxious, I want her to be confident. Well, it's more about feeling confident in your ability to regulate yourself and to be okay feeling worried about something until it passes.
Dr Naser:And it's more about being confident in your ability to get through it. Is that difference kind of makes sense there?
Jamie:Yeah. That makes a lot of sense.
Dr Naser:Okay. Yeah. And I think we focus on just confidence in general as an umbrella, but the byproduct is really being confident in your own mind and being confident in your ability to get through things. So as a parent, what can be very helpful is to identify moments when your child problem solved correctly. Wow, really good job figuring that out on your own.
Dr Naser:Look at how you did a really good job using your mind and trusting your mind to help you get through that. That later on helps them, let's say they can't get like a door open or something, like something very simple. Although sometimes doors are not. But let's just say they can't a door open, right, or a cabinet, or what have you, and they're like, oh, I can't get it. And they're frustrated with themselves, and they're feeling down on themselves, and they're just like, oh, I can't get it.
Dr Naser:And then you're like, keep trying. I know that you can do it. I know eventually you'll figure it out, and if you don't, then I can come help you. And eventually they figure it out. It's like, then you want to identify and highlight to them, wow, really good job trusting your mind and trusting yourself to get through that.
Dr Naser:You know, and then they go, oh yeah, I did. I got through a really difficult time. And this translates to sport, but it also can apply to any situation outside of sport. So
Jamie:if you have a child that's not confident at the moment,
Dr Naser:so
Jamie:what are strategies or something that you probably tell some of the players that you you work with? They're probably not dissimilar from something you would tell a 10, 13 year old. Right?
Dr Naser:Yeah. I would tell anyone to make a list of all of the things that they have done well and all of the things that they make a confidence list or make a I don't even wanna call it a confidence confidence list. Let's just call it a list of proof of all of the moments or times or situations where you got through something hard, where you solve the math problem, where you were able to get through the skill that your coach asked you to get through that certain drill. Make a list of all of the times that you did do the thing because we're very quick and the mind is very quick to just highlight the negative and focus on the negative. And confidence.
Dr Naser:It dies when we give it or I'm sorry confidence dies when we give it reasons to not trust in our ability. You have to counter it and come up with a list. Would encourage any parent to do that with with their child is come up with the list of all the times you did do something well, or you accomplish something independently without the support of a parent necessarily that was that was difficult and now you want to be careful though because you want to don't want to create a list where you're just like, oh, I'm great. Look at all these things I did right in the situation to use. This is when the mind is really having a difficult time being like, you know, I how I'm feeling about myself right now is not pleasant.
Dr Naser:So you want to
Jamie:come very negative. I'm assuming is when you go down that road, right?
Dr Naser:Your self identity is not strong and your confidence is low. Yeah. Right.
Jamie:And in terms of like resiliency, right, that's like also something that's coming up for me as well. You know, my son had a season where he had a coach that was, you know, he wasn't always hard on him, but he was harder on him than he was on some of the other kids and he and he had a and it it was hard for him to kinda deal with that. I mean, to the point where he was, like, almost saying, like, I don't know if I wanna keep playing. And then, like, you know, he bounced back from it. But, you know, in terms of, like, helping our kids be resilient because there's plenty of downs in life and in this game.
Jamie:Mhmm. You know, helping them through that. And then maybe let's just keep it on the like, in hockey. Right? Like, they have a really bad shift, and they're down.
Jamie:Like and and kinda getting their way out of that. Any strategies that, like, the kids can use, like, self talk or anything along those lines when they're feeling like they, you know, they just can't get out of their own way?
Dr Naser:Yeah. So this specific question requires of any individual, no matter the age of hockey, to put it into perspective. So something really helpful that I find is to ask a player and the younger ones love this because they like know stats on all the NHL guys and you say you say, give me one NHL player that you know who's never done X, Y, or Z, turn the puck over. Give me one NHL player, you know, that sounds like, and they can't. They're like, oh, they can't.
Dr Naser:I'm like, okay, so then why are you beating yourself up about it? And so part of that resiliency is putting in, counter resiliency or to, you know, strengthen what we call resiliency, it's really about being realistic in your thinking. You can think about the two R's go together, resiliency and realistic. Are you being realistic in your thinking? And when when you ask a young child that especially when they know, you know, they're all watching games and they know who's who, they it kind of takes a weight off their shoulders and they go, oh, yeah, you're right.
Dr Naser:Like, it's not realistic for me to think that I'm never going to, you know, make this mistake or go through this. And in doing that, you kind of build resiliency because you don't hang on to it for so long. You don't hang on to the mistake for so long. And also, you can wait out adversity until it passes because there's no getting, you know, you gotta go through it. You can't go over it around it or that book that I used to read when I was young.
Dr Naser:Do you know what I'm about? Yep. Sure. Around it. Yeah.
Dr Naser:That one. I just was like, why do I have to go through it? I don't want to go through it. Yeah,
Scott:you could.
Jamie:Know you have to go and would love to do this again. If we can get on the same page and schedule us. Yeah.
Dr Naser:Absolutely. Yeah. Actually, can definitely we can definitely do when the season is over. Well, I mean now, oh, what am I saying as of today? But after playoffs and all of that in the summer, we can definitely in the meantime, if I'll just mention my newsletter, it's the behavior of sport newsletter, and there's a specific series called Blades in Behavior for Hockey Parents.
Dr Naser:That's at the link in my bio for any parent or anyone who listening who doesn't follow it. My Instagram is doctor Alicia Naser. So there's a link. The link in my bio has everything there. And then I also, a while ago, wrote an article for the Novak Djokovic Foundation because there's a an early childhood foundation.
Dr Naser:And I have it linked in there that article and it's on child parenting styles and how they impact child development. And I sort of relate it to sport there. But for all of the parents listening, all the crazy hockey dads and moms listening. And do you guys have merch yet? Do you have do you have merch?
Dr Naser:Crazy Hockey It's Dad
Jamie:it's in the works. In right foot.
Dr Naser:Yeah. Could you just imagine people walking around wearing Crazy Hockey Dad? It's like, yeah. Okay.
Jamie:Yeah, like a badge
Dr Naser:of honor. I guess it's coming.
Jamie:A 100%.
Jamie:It's clearly coming, surely.
Dr Naser:I absolutely will wear it even though I'm not a crazy hockey dad. Definitely Thank will wear
Jamie:you.
Dr Naser:Maybe I commit to
Jamie:We want all to
Dr Naser:do it.
Jamie:We also need the merch first, so
Dr Naser:Yeah, yeah. Fair. It'll do really well. No, really, I do want to say, though, I, of course, as a professional, coming on a podcast called Crazy Hockey Dads is not something that's like, you're like, Oh, yeah, let me jump on that. However, I don't think there's anything crazy about what the both of you are doing.
Dr Naser:Think it's wonderful. And Oh, I think it's I hear the conversations you're having, and I admire it so much, and I think the world of parenting is very lucky to have the both of you just having real honest, authentic conversations. I'm very impressed. I'm so impressed. I'm really impressed, and I'm even more impressed by your desire and your curiosity to learn more and to just help parents and help children.
Dr Naser:You're both doing a wonderful job, and I'm not just saying that because I'm on here. Trust Thank
Jamie:you very much.
Jamie:I really appreciate that. You're also doing impressive work in the space, so, you know Thank you so much. You can all make sense, then you've got a place, that's the idea, right?
Scott:It's all
Dr Naser:worth Yeah, that's the hope, right? Yeah, absolutely. And truly, parenting is so hard, so I really just urge all parents to, really urge all parents to be easy on themselves, but even easier on your kids because also growing up as a young child and especially in today's day with peer pressure and in the competitiveness of hockey and how quickly it moves in the talent and the skills so early on. We all just have to be very mindful of how that's impacting child development and competitive. Yeah.
Dr Naser:All right. We got to wrap
Jamie:this note. Thank you so much for joining. Thank you very pleasure. Yes.
Jamie:Thank you. You got me, Ben. Thanks. Thank you.
Scott:Take care. Alright, everybody. Welcome back from hey. Look at that surprise, Jamie. Yeah.
Scott:Welcome back from the interview with doctor Alicia Naser.
Jamie:She's great. Yep. She's on another level, like, when it comes to that stuff. She's great. Yeah.
Jamie:So impressive. Yeah. You know?
Scott:What a
Jamie:I I knew I knew I was gonna be impressed, but I I was more impressed with with her listening to her, like, with us. You know?
Scott:Yeah. And I knew she was
Jamie:good, but she was very, very impressive.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. I know. Just like the the perspective on on everything. Yeah.
Scott:You know.
Jamie:She's got a ton of knowledge.
Scott:Yes. I'm just looking through a few things. But yeah. No. The so one of the things that, you know, was whenever we speak with someone that, like, that works in, like, the mental performance
Jamie:That space.
Scott:That that space, you know, it's it's just it's just so interesting to hear how, like, know, the the acceptance of, like, failure and, like, the resiliency. Like Yeah. Not that it's I mean, it's not surprising, but, like, I I feel like, you know, when we when I talk to, like, you know, Otto or whatever, you know, it's I do I do talk about being resilient and like kinda
Jamie:like Yeah.
Scott:How you deal with like the l's and the losses and whatever. But like more often, it's just about like, you know, the idea of like, you know, pushing forward
Jamie:Yeah.
Scott:And like, you know, more, the harder skills, not necessarily taking a step back and being like the mental side of things. And it's just in part probably because I don't know. I'm not a professional. Yeah. But yeah.
Scott:No, she It's so important.
Jamie:She was very impressive. I know if you go to her, to her Instagram, and you go to her, in that case, under a picture by the bio, she has a LinkedIn. And you can kind of fill out, like, an inquiry with her and something like that if you have a player who's looking to talk to somebody. She's very, very talented.
Jamie:Yeah. You know? It was great to have
Scott:her on.
Jamie:Was a it was a lot of fun, man. You know? We finally got to kinda squeeze her in after it took I know.
Scott:There was so much back and forth.
Jamie:It took a while to get her, like, because we because she had stuff. We had stuff. It was it was not easy. It was kinda like it was it was kinda like a running joke at the end. Like, we just couldn't get on the same page.
Jamie:You know? But it was great. It's and she she was I I want I wanna have her on again. Yeah. I know I I know I say that for a lot of our guests, which I do.
Jamie:I think you
Scott:say it with everyone.
Jamie:I do say that, but she is I
Scott:think everyone.
Jamie:She is, like, another level. Yeah. You know, she she should come on again because I I think a lot of the parents who listen, you know, to this, their kids could probably use some of what she has. Yeah. She's got a lot of knowledge.
Scott:No. It's good to, you know, a lot of the just to, like, hear again, you know Yeah.
Jamie:Types
Scott:of things that that she she talks about and deals with. It's it's always good just to, like, hear hear them again. Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. So what what you guys have any other hockey going on, by the way?
Scott:Any other hockey? No. Yeah. No? No.
Scott:Well, he Otto's, like, gone, like, during the week. He's
Jamie:Mhmm.
Scott:Goes to a clinic.
Jamie:Oh, he did? Yeah. Gotcha.
Scott:Yeah. That and mountain biking. Track is not not not Oh,
Jamie:You guys are not.
Scott:Not loving track.
Jamie:He's not or you're not?
Scott:Oh, Both of you are not. No. No. I when I say he's not loving it, I I think he
Jamie:Got it.
Scott:You know?
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. It's not as dynamic, let's say,
Jamie:Okay. With things. I get you.
Scott:And but listen. I hope he sticks with it. I said, listen, dude. Even if it's not the most fun thing, just, you know, it's it's good for like, be there with your friends. Obviously, don't
Jamie:You're doing something else.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're Yeah. There with a different, you know, group of friends.
Scott:You're there with different coaches. You're learning different things. Like, it's, you know, obviously a different sport. Maybe it's not for you.
Jamie:But It's okay.
Scott:You know, there are there are some things to take from it. So, you know.
Jamie:Is Otto asking for for to play hockey?
Scott:Like
Jamie:I'm just curious.
Scott:Here and there
Jamie:Yeah.
Scott:Here and there, he's he's he's definitely more focused on on mountain biking right now.
Jamie:I get that.
Scott:Like, he's Yeah. That's what he
Jamie:wants do. Yeah. I get it.
Scott:But but listen, at the same time, it's not it's not like he has zero hockey either.
Jamie:No. No. He's got he's doing, like, a skills thing.
Scott:Right. He's doing Right. The skills thing. He's dropping in here and there with a few things. Right.
Scott:But there's there's nothing super No. Super serious I is the right word. Yeah. Team. There's Yeah.
Scott:Tournament. There's no nothing. It's just like getting on the ice. So he's getting it. In smaller doses than during the season, he's not asking for more.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:Got it.
Scott:Because he's he's mountain biking. He's got another race next weekend Okay. Which is closer. Thank God.
Jamie:You don't have to drive two and a half hours to it.
Scott:Holy shit.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Know.
Scott:It's it's
Jamie:always fun. But
Scott:Yeah. So no. How about you? How about Dom?
Jamie:Dominic is asking he's counting the days till the season starts.
Scott:Oh, is he?
Jamie:He wants to play games.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:We had our parody last weekend.
Scott:Oh, yeah. I don't even think we dove into that.
Jamie:I don't think we did because I think we did our episode before that. So I don't think we even talked
Scott:about Yeah. How'd that go?
Jamie:Good. Yeah? Not bad.
Scott:Okay. Played we played you like?
Jamie:We played three games.
Scott:Mhmm.
Jamie:We were down at Pro Skate in, like, the Princeton area. Right? Is that Princeton? What is that? What town is that in?
Scott:I'm not sure.
Jamie:I call it Princeton, but it's like it's like near Princeton.
Scott:Well, I don't know the exact town.
Jamie:Yeah. It's like near Princeton.
Scott:Yeah. Right. It's like
Jamie:right off what? Route 1? Whatever is that what that is?
Scott:Yeah. Guess.
Jamie:Whatever it is. So we were there for three games last Sunday. Mhmm. It was interesting.
Scott:Okay. So tell more.
Jamie:So we went three and o.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:I think we outscored everybody, like, 15 to one.
Scott:Seriously?
Jamie:Yeah. And the one tipped off Stacy's son's glove.
Scott:Oh, really? Was like So
Jamie:It was Yeah. Like, you know, so, know, so so my point is is that we're we're gonna be we're gonna be good.
Scott:That's amazing. Yeah. But let me ask you this. The other teams, like, obviously, you played a small sample of, like, what's in your league. Did you get did you get a sense for any other teams that might be on the same level as you?
Jamie:There'll be I think there'll be a couple. Same same teams as last year. Yeah. There's there's two other teams that are gonna be on the same level as us.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:Or similar level. But we have a we have a hockey team.
Scott:That's great.
Jamie:Yeah. It it looked they they looked for them, listen, we had seven seven or seven new guys? Seven new Yeah. So the parents are cool. I met met a bunch of the parents.
Jamie:They seem cool. Yeah. The kids seem nice. You know? So the product looks decent on the ice for having never played together before.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:You know? Like, seven new kids kind of That's
Scott:a that's a that's like half the team.
Jamie:Right. Into a lineup. Right. Goal tending looks good. Both kids look good.
Jamie:The defense looks totally different. The defense got bigger. Yeah. You know? So, yeah.
Jamie:No. The offense looks like you have, like, three lines of of of forwards. You know? Not that we didn't last year, but we it it just looks different.
Scott:Yeah. Right. It's just like you leveled up.
Jamie:It looks different.
Scott:Yeah. You got some Yeah.
Jamie:Right. The puck moves a lot more. You know? It just it it just looks different.
Scott:That's great.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. So he wants the so he played in that, and he so he's now, like, itching to play.
Scott:How did how did you do personally?
Jamie:He did well.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie:He did.
Scott:But was it any more physical than what you remember from last season?
Jamie:Same.
Scott:Same level of physicality?
Jamie:Same. Yeah. Nothing changed.
Scott:None of the kids are looking to
Jamie:We're gonna be more physical.
Scott:You're gonna be more Yeah. Physical 100%. You're bigger. Yes. Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. We definitely need more friends. More physical. Did he skate?
Scott:He skated with new players, new teammates on his line, or he had, same teammates?
Jamie:One one kid from last year and and a new kid. Yeah. It's funny. The new kid that he's the new kid from the new kid on the team who's on his line, they were together.
Scott:Oh, right. You you'd imagine.
Jamie:So it's like they they've known each other since they were, like, five. Right.
Scott:They get in touch?
Jamie:Yeah. We would see them like in rinks and stuff like that. Right. You know? So I mean, the parents are great.
Jamie:We've known them again forever. Right. You know? So it's like and I've talked to the dad for years. I don't know, for years.
Scott:Okay.
Jamie:You know? So we we had a nice, like, might team. Yeah. So a bunch of the dads still talk.
Scott:Oh, really?
Jamie:Yeah. It's pretty cool. Yeah. There's like five of us on the text thread.
Scott:Yeah. Talk to no one from mites.
Jamie:Yeah. We had a we had a really good
Scott:Is that true?
Jamie:Had a really good
Scott:might team.
Jamie:Like, our Avalanche might team, we were like, we were good. Like, we had a lot of really good hockey players. Yeah. Like, really good hockey
Scott:have gone on
Jamie:to That are just kinda like in different different Yeah. Areas. You know? So it's a bunch of us still talk. But, like, if that team had stayed together, that Avalanche team.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.
Jamie:Would have been scary.
Scott:Well, you know
Jamie:But yeah. So he he As
Jamie:the world turns.
Jamie:He looked good. He scored a bunch of goals, bunch of assists. He looked dangerous. So, yeah, we'll see.
Scott:How was in terms of his effort, how was it?
Jamie:I thought it was good.
Scott:Yeah? Yeah. That's great.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. I had to go back and rewatch When I go back and rewatch, I Do you
Scott:rewatch all of his games?
Jamie:No. But whenever I think he didn't play well Yeah. I go back and watch. Yeah. And then I always come out and I'm like, okay.
Scott:Do you watch, like, the whole game or you just, like, watch his shifts?
Jamie:I no. I, I just watch his shifts. Yeah. I won't watch the whole game. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Because I wanna know if I'm, like, being too too critical. And I don't I don't tell him if I'm critical, just in my own mind.
Scott:Because he just knows.
Jamie:Well, so it's funny. Him and I very much are on the same page. Like, when he came off, all I do is hug him now he comes off the ice. I don't say boo. I could tell on his face if he didn't think he played well.
Jamie:You know? But but he's he's he's not coming off the ice, like, mad at himself anymore, which is awesome.
Scott:Okay. Good.
Jamie:He's coming off the ice mad at himself if he didn't give effort. Like, he knows.
Scott:Right.
Jamie:You know? You know? So, yeah, no. He's he's I don't say anything to him. He comes off the ice, and, and he's yeah.
Jamie:And he told me, like, later on, like, the day, he's like, dad, he's like, played it like a four today. I was like, okay.
Scott:What's the scale there?
Jamie:Like, zero to ten, one to 10.
Scott:Oh. He only gave himself a four.
Jamie:That's what he gave himself.
Scott:Pretty low.
Jamie:When I look back at it, it didn't it didn't seem like it was a four.
Scott:It was a what to you?
Jamie:It was probably like a six.
Scott:Six? Yeah. Okay.
Jamie:Yeah. You know? Alright. If he wants, he can he has a lot of ability if he wants to go.
Scott:Do it.
Jamie:Yeah. So so I'm hoping him not being on the ice in games Mhmm. This springsummer is going to, like, fuel him for August, September.
Scott:Yeah. See. Well, listen. There's still a long long off season. Yeah.
Jamie:100%.
Scott:Right. So
Jamie:there's And we're doing other stuff. Yeah. He's like mountain climb we're like rock climbing, and we're like Oh, good.
Scott:Where are you going
Jamie:where are you doing that? Like the gym in Upper Saddle River.
Scott:Oh, there's yeah. There's a rock climbing Yeah. Situation.
Jamie:Yeah. No. Yeah. Like indoor rock climbing.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah.
Jamie:So, yeah. No. It's it's so he's doing that. You know, just something different. Yeah.
Jamie:Good. He's doing like jiu jitsu, and he's and he's going to like bunch of like speed and agility stuff. You know, not only just with school, but with like outside of it.
Jamie:Oh, right. Right.
Scott:Yeah. Because he's still doing all the right
Jamie:in school. He's a strong kid, and he likes working out.
Scott:That's awesome.
Jamie:Yeah. Sounds cool.
Scott:Good. He got he caught the bug early.
Jamie:Yeah. I guess. You know, he's like I said before, he's kind of like he he wants to improve. He wants to get strong. He wants to get fast.
Jamie:He wants to he he's so he's doing it. It's all on him. It's I I don't say a thing to him.
Scott:We Yeah. Were just actually talking. Something came up last night and Oh. We were watching Right. Speaking of playoff playoff hockey riffs, we were watching the Carolina
Jamie:Oh my
Scott:god. Ottawa game with all the fights. Right? And so Otto was just like, he's like, my as soon as I can fight my first shift, I'm gonna go out there. Like, I'm gonna start a fight, you know, if I watch like the Kochuck Brothers
Jamie:Do me all that a favor? Pull up Paul Bissnet's Instagram. I want you to see the fight. I want you to see the thing that happened in the Ottawa Carolina game last night.
Scott:Oh, the sucker punch? Yeah.
Jamie:Oh, did you see it? You didn't see it. You heard me talk about it?
Scott:I heard you talk about it. Didn't see I didn't see all of it.
Jamie:Pull up his pull up his Instagram, and they and if you look at the one where you'll see he it's at the top, and it it's like a it's like two it's like two clips. One's a still. And if you go to the next one, it's it shows the sucker punch. So Walker's being held by somebody, and Krieg comes.
Scott:Wait. Barstool? Or
Jamie:No. Go to Bisnet's. Yeah. Go ahead. It's it was on it was on Paul's thing.
Jamie:So if you go to there so he's being so Walker's being held. Okay? And the dude comes over and, like, dude, he uppercuts. The guy's head's down, and he uppercuts him. Let me have you find it.
Jamie:It it was dude, it was such a cheap shot. Like, I I don't really see that from I I don't see that from, like, NHL guys. Like, that was surprising to me. Like, you don't see let me if you find it. You you never see that from NHL guys.
Jamie:It was the third one. Was the third one in, and then if he asking
Scott:me for all my passwords and all this shit. Never I log in on my computer.
Jamie:Anyway. So
Scott:I'll look at it later.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Look at it. Alright. So so my point is is that is that the guy Walker's being held, okay, by think it was Fogo.
Jamie:Somebody's holding him. And or go to YouTube and check it out. So he's being held. His head is down, Scott. Yeah.
Jamie:His head's down. And the other dude from auto comes over and gives him an uppercut to the face while he's being held.
Scott:That's messed
Jamie:Not even looking at him, dude. And so Biznet was freaking out last night on the TNT. Not freaking out, but he was he was being very animated about it on the the TNT broadcast. He said something like, like, that didn't get called, he's like, the he's like, I would be at the guy's locker room door after the game.
Scott:Oh, really?
Jamie:Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Paul was saying it should be something like a five game suspension.
Scott:Really? Sorry. I'm getting frustrated with Instagram right now.
Jamie:That's all Don't worry that. Anyway, my point is that he gives a really cheap, really cheap uppercut. He wasn't even looking. He was engaged with somebody else.
Scott:That's ridiculous.
Jamie:Right? Yeah. I mean, you can't do that. It's like No. It reminds me of a story when I was younger.
Jamie:Like, you know, you can't do that.
Scott:No. You know? Hey, listen. Was it was definitely I love the intensity. There was a certain point of the game where I was just like, this is the all the fighting was getting annoying.
Jamie:I think you're not gonna upset
Scott:I was like, enough. Like, you know what Orly said. She's like, the goalies must be like, come on, guys. Cut
Jamie:the shit.
Scott:Let's get this going.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah.
Scott:Yeah. And all Like, the interruptions and all of this stuff.
Jamie:And all Carolina wanna do is just finish the game and get out
Scott:of Yeah. Well, I mean, that little that late goal by Yeah? By Ottawa was like, oh, can they get another m another
Jamie:Yeah. Listen.
Scott:Another one, but womp womp.
Jamie:How how are we doing so far in our picks, by the way? Our NHL picks? I don't think badly.
Scott:So I'm I'm already so the one series that's over, I picked Ottawa to go. You did. I'm already o for one.
Jamie:I made that mistake last year.
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:I I had Carolina going. Yeah. I'm gonna lose the Penguins series,
Scott:And so am I.
Jamie:Yeah. And the Ducks series, the Ducks are up two-one. So that, I picked Edmonton, even though I didn't want to.
Scott:McDavid has not been McDavid. What
Jamie:is happening?
Scott:I don't know.
Jamie:And the Maple Leafs are like, whatever the Maple Leafs are. What is going on?
Scott:Oh, dude. Yeah. I don't know. I do not feel confident for those Oilers.
Jamie:Listen, I'm not an Oiler fan, so I wouldn't mind seeing them get eliminated. But I'm gonna be surprised. Yeah. You know?
Scott:Colorado will win that one. The Dallas Mini
Jamie:I was just gonna say.
Scott:That's like that's like the true Which we said one that's playing out.
Jamie:Game type, like, you know, like, that's a sick series. Yeah. You know?
Scott:You watched last night?
Jamie:I did.
Scott:Yeah. No. I didn't see any
Jamie:of it. Yeah. Did. No. Was it was it was listen.
Jamie:Quinn Hughes is just like mean, they could
Scott:Another little boldie got the OT winner.
Jamie:Yes. Yes.
Scott:So good for him.
Jamie:Yes. No. It's it's it's very cool. It's it's and that's a cool series. That that, in my opinion, is the best series that's out there
Scott:right now.
Jamie:Yeah. Know?
Scott:Yeah. Then LA, Colorado.
Jamie:I don't
Scott:know. Meant Vegas. That one's not bad. Vegas, Utah.
Jamie:That's not haven't watched that. Man. Where's that coming from?
Scott:I don't know. They got some good players, man.
Jamie:They do, but I didn't expect that. Yeah. I mean, that series is two one Utah. Yeah. Listen.
Jamie:It's gonna be interesting. So the only series that's done is, is Carolina. Is that it?
Scott:That's the only one wrapped up yesterday. Yeah.
Jamie:That's right.
Scott:Pittsburgh lost. That would have been wrapped up yesterday. They Pittsburgh won. No. I know if if they had lost Oh,
Jamie:if they lost.
Scott:Finished up. Don't think any I don't think any are any at risk
Jamie:Yeah. The Avalanche, they win
Scott:Oh, tonight. Yeah.
Jamie:Yeah. Then it'd be over.
Scott:Oh, that's right.
Jamie:Saturday afternoon. Yeah. That's serious. Which you knew that you knew the Kings work would be able to hang with the Avs.
Scott:Yeah. But you had also said I mean, people have said similar things about, like, other teams that are playing right now.
Jamie:I suppose. The Avalanche are on a heater right now.
Scott:Yeah. I think that was the most, like, maybe lopsided perhaps. That No. You well, I don't know. But that you know what's interesting?
Scott:They were saying with the Almarque over in in Ottawa that Yeah. Statistically, this playoff series was his best playoff series number wise, and he didn't win one game.
Jamie:Is that what they said? Yeah. Otto also didn't score any power play goals, I don't think.
Scott:No. They were, like, o for nine, o for 10. And how many three on how many five on threes did
Jamie:they have?
Scott:Saying. You can't
Jamie:do that in the playoffs. No.
Scott:It's like mean, talk talk about missed opportunities.
Jamie:Oh my god. And Brady did not have a good series. Yeah. We love Brady Chukka's USA hockey, but he did not have a good series.
Scott:He was like an animal though yesterday.
Jamie:Well, yes. There was
Scott:like one spell where he was just like a wrecking machine. Yes. As he as he does. And he's just like, oh my lord, this guy.
Jamie:Would love him on the Devils, by the way. I'd trade Nico Hescher in a heartbeat for him.
Scott:Is that being talked about?
Jamie:No. But it should be. Oh. I'd trade him in a, oh my god. You know what I heard?
Jamie:What? I don't if it's true. What? But a buddy of mine mentioned it. Connor Hellbuck to the Devils?
Scott:Really?
Jamie:So your boy, Sunny Maid, has been apparently kicking the tires.
Scott:Really? I don't know.
Jamie:That's what I hear. Is it true? I don't know.
Scott:I need to reach out to Sunny.
Jamie:Dude, you should.
Scott:Yeah. Shout out to Sonny Mae if he's listening.
Jamie:Yeah. The new the new devil's Probably not. The new devil's GM went to high school with Scott.
Scott:That's true. And Yeah. Yeah. He he so he so it's funny. Like
Jamie:Was he a White Coff kid or Frank Lanks kid? White
Scott:Coff kid.
Jamie:Yeah. Because I was gonna say he wasn't a Frank. He was he was in town with us.
Scott:No. It's White Coff. Yeah. Yeah. But Sunny so when when I played hockey back in, you know, my other high school teams were Yeah.
Scott:You know, like high school hockey.
Jamie:Played too?
Scott:Yeah. So he played. I mean, he loved the game.
Jamie:Yeah. You know what I mean? Clearly.
Scott:And so
Jamie:went into it.
Scott:You know, the high school teams are just like, you know, like this like
Jamie:So he played for round of bowling you guys?
Scott:Smolly crew of
Jamie:like Okay.
Scott:All different walks of life. And, no, Sonny was on the team.
Jamie:Was so he good?
Scott:No. Sonny was High school
Jamie:hockey traditionally is not good.
Scott:Yeah. So But no. I mean I mean Sonny Did
Jamie:he play club, I guess?
Scott:No. He didn't play club.
Jamie:Okay. So he just played high school.
Dr Naser:He played
Scott:high school. Yeah.
Jamie:So rec in high school.
Scott:Yeah. I don't even know if he played rec. He might have like skated on ponds and then like played high school hockey
Jamie:when I came around. Okay. Got it.
Scott:Alright. Cool. No. It's, you know, he's he won a Stanley Cup as like the HGM. The Florida Panthers won two.
Scott:Yeah. And it's just funny to think he brought the cup back to our high school.
Jamie:I have heard this.
Scott:Yeah. I didn't go. It was like another day.
Jamie:Pretty sweet.
Scott:But it's pretty yeah. It's amazing.
Jamie:Yeah, man. And now he's the GM the GM of the Devils.
Scott:Comes full.
Jamie:Well, I think he's
Scott:started he started his career, NHL career as like a video analyst, I think For
Jamie:the Devils.
Scott:With the Devils. He worked with the Devils Orckey before. Did.
Jamie:Yeah. A 100%. Oh, I didn't realize
Jamie:that. With NJD.
Jamie:Oh, nice. Well, that's cool. So that would make sense. Listen. He's a Jersey kid too, so I get why they're bringing him back.
Scott:Yeah. But also because he's
Jamie:he's He's also probably pretty good at what he does.
Scott:Yeah. Mean, coming from Florida.
Jamie:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, he's got a decent pedigree behind him.
Jamie:But yeah. But yeah. So yeah. You should reach out to him, by way. We should have him on.
Scott:Yeah. 100%.
Jamie:That'd be a home run. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be like a home run, dude.
Scott:Now reach out to Sonny.
Jamie:I we I can reach out to to Pete at the Devils and see if he can put us in touch with him. Unless you
Scott:Yeah. I'll I'll try him directly.
Jamie:If you if you have him directly, even better because I was gonna go through the Devils. Go you do it directly. Yeah. That's perfect.
Scott:It's been a long time since I talked to Sonny Maiden.
Jamie:Did you love his number?
Scott:No. I don't know that I ever had his number.
Jamie:You know how to get him?
Jamie:Dude, when we were
Scott:in high school, we had pagers.
Jamie:Can you That is true.
Scott:Do you
Jamie:remember those fucking beepers, dude? What? Do you remember those beepers, dude?
Scott:Yeah.
Jamie:Remember when you used like type something out? Anyway, I would say a message. You type it out in numbers and it would be like a word? Like hello or like
Scott:Oh, yeah.
Jamie:Love you or like, I don't know
Scott:what else. Boobs.
Jamie:Boobs. I guess you could send boobs.
Scott:The calculator.
Jamie:Right. That's right. But you remember dude, beepers. How funny was that? Yeah.
Jamie:Even how far we've come from beepers.
Scott:Oh my So far.
Jamie:But you needed a payphone to call somebody back if you were out on the road.
Scott:Excuse me. I borrow that? Did Caesar really live here?
Jamie:Do you have a payphone bank? What's that? Bank payphones? Mega? No.
Jamie:No. Did did Caesar really live here? Did Caesar? No. He's like, I didn't think so.
Jamie:That's a great quote by you, by way.
Scott:Hey. Listen.
Jamie:That's a good one, dude.
Scott:Yeah. You know, keep on making fun of me.
Jamie:No. I'm saying that was a good one.
Scott:I know you are.
Jamie:I'm not I'm not at
Scott:all. I'm
Jamie:saying that
Scott:Thank you. I I appreciate it.
Jamie:Bro, that is a great that's a great three movies. Yeah? Yeah. Have you seen the other two?
Scott:I saw the sec I don't think I saw the third one.
Jamie:Okay. Also good.
Scott:Is it? Yeah. Yeah. They're awesome. Little ludicrous.
Jamie:It did. The first one was the first one
Scott:one is like
Jamie:The first hangover is like
Scott:Unreal.
Jamie:Tremendous. And then I mean,
Scott:There's like tiger in the bathroom.
Jamie:So I was just thinking about that then Yeah. Or or they stole it from Mike Tyson.
Scott:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like So funny.
Jamie:It's so so good.
Scott:So good.
Jamie:Stu wakes up. He's got his tooth is missing.
Jamie:It's so good.
Scott:Anyhow, alright. What else?
Jamie:Else? What
Dr Naser:else?
Jamie:Anyway, yeah. So, yeah. I think we're I'm trying to think what else we're missing here. We did our NHL pace. We're gonna oh, we're gonna be live with Jimmy Dowd.
Scott:Oh, yeah.
Jamie:Wednesday, the what is the date? Wednesday,
Scott:the Twenty ninth.
Jamie:Thank you.
Scott:April 29.
Jamie:Thank you. We're gonna be live at 8PM eastern this coming Wednesday, the twenty ninth with Jimmy Dowd. We're gonna go over all things New Jersey hockey, and we're gonna go over a bunch of other stuff too.
Scott:Yeah. Well, I mean, Jersey hockey, sure, but, like, also just talk about youth hockey
Jamie:and We're of course. We're gonna a bunch
Scott:of youth
Jamie:hockey stuff too. Yes. Yeah. I know Jimmy wants to touch on on Jersey hockey, and then we're gonna go into all the youth stuff. You know, he sent me something yesterday.
Jamie:He sent me something late yesterday where he's the college rules are changing. He sent me this, and it is it says college college hockey is about to change. College hockey is bracing for another major shakeup. And this one could hit players, families, and programs hard. The NCAA is pushing toward new eligibility rules that would allow five full years of eligibility within a fixed window.
Scott:Five years of eligibility.
Jamie:Yep. He says sounds simple, but it's not. But why? This completely reshaped the developmental process in hockey.
Scott:But why do they need they only go to school for four years?
Jamie:Older freshmen that had an advantage would disappear. Junior hockey timelines compressed. Development paths rushed decisions earlier than ever. I mean, it's gonna be interesting. We can talk about that too.
Scott:Yeah. Alright. Let's dig into it. Send me that article.
Jamie:Wanna see Yeah. So college hockey is changing.
Scott:Yeah. Maybe we should post it.
Jamie:Yeah. We probably should actually. That's a good move. Yep. Yeah.
Jamie:So we can talk about that too on Wednesday. So we have him coming up. We've got a bunch of cool interviews coming up. Thank you to everybody for listening, downloading, sharing. I mean, our world map is growing immensely.
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Scott:Yeah. I still I still
Jamie:He's questioning it.
Scott:I I still have question marks, but listen.
Jamie:Yeah. Listen.
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Scott:Yep. So thanks for the listens everyone and we'll see you at the next episode.
Jamie:See you. Bye.