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In this episode, Ryan (Going the Distance), Craig (Sly Cast), and Doug (Rocky Minute) from the Stallone Podcast Network tackle Backtrace (2018), one of Stallone’s lesser-known straight-to-video thrillers.
The guys start with an update on the upcoming Rocky 4 Director’s Cut before diving into Backtrace — a $6 million heist/amnesia movie starring Matthew Modine as a bank robber with memory loss, Shooter McGavin (Christopher McDonald), and Sly in a supporting detective role. They discuss the wild family twist, the experimental memory serum, endless plot holes, questionable acting (including investor-actress Meta Williams), the cement factory showdown, and why Sly signed on post-Creed.
Expect honest banter about the film’s shortcomings, production curiosities, and how it stacks up against better Stallone entries. This one’s a rough watch, but the conversation delivers!
- 0:00 - Intro & Rocky 4 Director’s Cut Discussion
- 8:40 - Backtrace Specs, Budget & Why Sly Did It
- 16:20 - Opening Heist, Matthew Modine & Amnesia Setup
- 29:00 - Prison Break, Memory Serum & Family Reveal
- 41:00 - Cement Factory Search & Plot Holes
- 52:00 - Shootout, Twists & Stallone’s Big Scene
- 1:05:00 - Ending Breakdown & “I’ll Take Care of It”
- 1:12:00 - Overall Thoughts, Meta Williams Story & Final Rant
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0:3030 secondsI am Ryan and with me as always for this special occasion is Craig and Doug I'm Ryan of Going the Distance the rocky
0:3838 secondsseries and Creed podcast uh I'm Craig Cohen and uh I'm part of the Sylvester Salone fan podcast Network and I am the
0:4646 secondshost of the occasional slidecast podcast occasional by
0:5454 secondsanually think that's being generous but we will say that when Craig drops an episode it puts our shows the
1:021 minute, 2 secondsshame that is for sure that's very kind of you for sure well I'm Doug and I'm one of the hosts of Rocky minute where
1:091 minute, 9 secondswe cover the Rocky movies one minute at a time I got nerfed to make fun of you crank I was just gonna say where's Rocky
1:161 minute, 16 seconds3 buddy yeah I'm gonna retract my previous statement we have two seasons finished we're working on season three
1:251 minute, 25 secondsseason three has been my Everest but it's been your Judge Dread it's been my Judge Dread that's a new standard for an
1:341 minute, 34 secondsunreachable task today we're covering back Trace but before we say anything about the movie before we get into the movie because I
1:431 minute, 43 secondsknow once that train starts going it's going to be a Unstoppable Force so before we get into let's talk a little bit of Rocky talk we've talked about it
1:511 minute, 51 secondson the the Going the Distance podcast a little bit but I'd love to hear Craig and Doug your thoughts on the footage that we've seen so far of what slice
1:591 minute, 59 secondsseems to be working on regarding the director's cut of Rocky 4 and what are your hopes and what's your desire what's your overall feeling regarding this
2:082 minutes, 8 secondsupcoming director's cut that's supposed to be out from Sly he said this Thanksgiving the anniversary the what 35th anniversary of the film well the
2:152 minutes, 15 secondsfunniest thing is calling it a director's cut because a director's cut at least in my understanding implies
2:222 minutes, 22 secondsthat it was sly's first cut of the movie before he showed it to the studio and made whatever changes they requested so
2:292 minutes, 29 secondsthis is more like a recut a revisit 35th Anniversary director's cut I don't know it seems disingenuous to call it a
2:382 minutes, 38 secondsdirector's cut because that implies it's the film that Sly had in mind in 1985 which we know isn't true you're right about the title director what would you
2:472 minutes, 47 secondstitle it then 35th Anniversary cut or Redux like apoc Redux yeah I mean they
2:532 minutes, 53 secondsdid that with Apocalypse Now Final Cut which Oliver Stone's done Ridley Scott's done definitive cut you think of all the
3:023 minutes, 2 secondsthings that Sly has at his disposal that he could spend time working on and now granted I do appreciate the fact that
3:093 minutes, 9 secondsthis is his film he's not you know I mean I even talked about hey let's get Rocky five out there let's get aon's cut
3:163 minutes, 16 secondsout there well unfortunately aon's not no longer with us but we know what his cut was we have the bootlegs right so I at least appreciate that Stallone isn't
3:243 minutes, 24 secondsscrewing with somebody else's film but at the same time I wonder how much of this is a direct result of Creed 2 and
3:313 minutes, 31 secondshis experiences on Creed 2 because all of a sudden he wants to add more weight and gravity and emotional impact to
3:393 minutes, 39 secondsRocky 4 which it was never that kind of film even though we do deal with Apollo dying you know it's not an emotional
3:473 minutes, 47 secondsfilm I mean it's sad to see Apollo die but was it well for Carl Weathers I'm sure it
3:553 minutes, 55 secondswas but but at the same time I haven't watched any of the footage yet I want to
4:014 minutes, 1 secondkind of see it as its finished product because as you saw on the Facebook group
4:084 minutes, 8 secondsand on Twitter I was really really disappointed to see that he's getting rid of Paulie's robot and knowing the history of Paul's
4:164 minutes, 16 secondsrobot you did a an interview with the guy that created Paulie's robot we know why Paulie's robots in that movie for
4:234 minutes, 23 secondsslided to just like dispose of it so casually it makes me wonder how they're going to work that movie I mean do they
4:304 minutes, 30 secondshave footage without the robot from that birthday scene speaking of the interview is Robert dornick the creator of SEO the robot and the robot existed before the
4:394 minutes, 39 secondsfilm and that's it was actually sly's Mom saw it on Donahue or something and of course she had a grandson with the
4:464 minutes, 46 secondscondition of Sergey that he has and she called Sly says look you know this robot is helps with kids with special needs
4:534 minutes, 53 secondsmaybe Serj would like it and that's how that relationship formed and Robert dornick did The Voice work for sequel the robot in the movie that's his voice and he did that voice during my
5:015 minutes, 1 secondinterview by the way it's quite good oh yeah absolutely I mean what's so offensive about that robot it's a film that was it's a product of the
5:095 minutes, 9 seconds80s I think Sly is doing all that he can to erase the memory of Sergey well I don't know man sometimes I I don't I don't know if there even is a memory of
5:175 minutes, 17 secondshim anymore in sly's mind it's weird I I will say it's weird that it's never discussed yeah he he went what talk show
5:255 minutes, 25 secondswas it that he said he he got the robot idea from some pizza joint a poster at a pizza joint so weird so
5:335 minutes, 33 secondsRobert dornick is not a liar like like maybe his version no his version is not wrong I'm sorry to say cuz that was even what came out in the day back in the
5:405 minutes, 40 secondswhen this first came out I I don't know interesting enough in that interview with Robert dorick the Creator he mentioned that they filmed additional
5:465 minutes, 46 secondsscenes that the producers of the show were cut out because they thought it might have been too I say silly as a word but a little bit too light on the
5:545 minutes, 54 secondsfeet of but there was a lot of more comedy moments that so when I heard about the director scut I actually honestly thought there'd be more robot that they would actually have more of
6:036 minutes, 3 secondsthose interactions with Paulie and the robot and it's the opposite like you were saying that it's cut out yeah I almost wonder Ryan if
6:106 minutes, 10 secondsStallone has false memories of that Final Cut who knows the last time he watched Rocky 4 before he came up with the idea for this director's cut but
6:186 minutes, 18 secondsmaybe he remembers that first cut that director's cut if you will that's got all the silly robot [ __ ] in it well did
6:256 minutes, 25 secondseither of you guys read the novelization from it m cursing at me right now but no but no okay no he's not he doesn't
6:336 minutes, 33 secondslisten to our uh I didn't read the novelization but I listened to like the audio book
6:406 minutes, 40 secondsrereading of it there's a lot a lot in there uh that was cut out a lot is there any dramatic moment you can think of
6:476 minutes, 47 secondsthat might translate well into film if it was filmed they got a lot into the background of iron Drago but it was all narrative so they're really probably not
6:556 minutes, 55 secondsgoing to put that in there there was a lot of Apollo training and like kind of phoning into his training and Rocky's training him
7:037 minutes, 3 secondsand he's kind of getting upset with Apollo because Apollo's not taking it seriously what does that really do for the movie though like I wish they will
7:127 minutes, 12 secondsshow the dance rehearsal footage like that I'm pretty sure there there was some more um some stuff back at Mighty
7:217 minutes, 21 secondsmix too okay you know we find out what happened to Gazo and and his driver oh really also was a narrative but they
7:287 minutes, 28 secondssaid that Gazo and and his driver pissed off the wrong people and two in the back of the head so wow that's pretty dark
7:357 minutes, 35 secondsyeah yeah so I I mean that again it was it was a narrative I don't know how how they squeezed that in well Craig you kind of I think you touched a little bit
7:437 minutes, 43 secondsof what we do know about the narrative being not very dramatic in the Rocky Rocky 4 and I think that's probably what Sly is doing is he's taking out the
7:517 minutes, 51 secondsrobot taking out anything that indicates a little bit of too much silliness or 80s uh silliness cuz there are a couple
7:587 minutes, 58 secondsmoments in Rocky 4 that are very dramatic and very cool and almost gritty and I think maybe that's what he's going for I.E the run up the mountain when he
8:078 minutes, 7 secondsy's Drago that's one of the most powerful moments in all of Rocky franchise I've seen like just the manhood I don't know how to word it the just the champion of Ro Rocky
8:158 minutes, 15 secondspersonified on top of that mountain yelling Drago I mean that Stallone yell that he's so good at yeah even with the mirror where he's peeling the pictures
8:238 minutes, 23 secondsoff the mirror as he goes I mean yeah there there is a lot of heavy stuff in that movie we've said it a million times on this show you know you always give
8:318 minutes, 31 secondsSly the benefit of the doubt this one for me has been a real head scratcher sort of like back Trace okay we've speaking of that who
8:408 minutes, 40 secondschose that movie by the way this movie was up for a poll now granted we kind of purposely put three maybe what we felt
8:488 minutes, 48 secondswere weaker I'm being generous here weaker films of Stallone's career maybe less known films less viewed films we had this one pack back Trace versus uh
8:578 minutes, 57 secondsreach me and what was the third choice whatever Doug chose right uh yeah I don't even remember what it was some other piece of
9:069 minutes, 6 seconds[ __ ] so back Trace I think marks our most recent review of a Stallone film
9:149 minutes, 14 secondsyeah
9:169 minutes, 16 seconds[Laughter]
9:189 minutes, 18 secondsyep so spoil alert I think we're g to spend more time discussing the movie back trace and the people did creating
9:279 minutes, 27 secondsdiscussing the creation and the WR process of this film and filming
9:349 minutes, 34 secondsyeah 12 days stop oh I'm sorry no well before yeah let's get into the specs a
9:419 minutes, 41 secondslittle bit sure why not so the film like Doug just said took 12 days of filming what does that tell you when he I was on
9:499 minutes, 49 secondsset for a day of it yeah he was at two locations right well three the car well the crime scene
9:579 minutes, 57 secondsI guess which could easily which could have EAS been filmed just around the corner of the cement Warehouse sorry uh so there was and then
10:0610 minutes, 6 secondsthere was the police station scene and then there was of course the drive in the car back to the cement Warehouse like we do with every movie Let's uh
10:1410 minutes, 14 secondstalk about it specs in North America it made zero well it didn't come out right I mean it was a straight to straight to
10:2310 minutes, 23 secondsBlu-ray or DVD sorry North America well North America had a zero box office but for
10:3010 minutes, 30 secondsinflation uh but then worldwide they did make $450,000 in Select theaters worldwide so the box office draw of
10:3610 minutes, 36 secondsStallone is very very strong still half a million half a million worldwide I that's sorry I just I think we the three
10:4510 minutes, 45 secondsof us could put out a movie and and do that kind of business worldwide as Co cohesive cohesive cohesive as this one let's talk about the thought process of
10:5410 minutes, 54 secondshow how did this happen how did this director get slide to be in this film even if it's was two-day shoot this is the most frustrating thing about Sly and
11:0211 minutes, 2 secondsagain we've talked about this on Sly cast we've talked about it on our joint shows is just the squandered opportunities that Sly has this was at
11:1211 minutes, 12 secondswhat this came out after Creed but before Creed 2 right 2018 so Creed 2 came out in
11:1811 minutes, 18 seconds2018 yeah yeah after Creed you'd think Golden Globe what he nomination did he win that Golden Globe yes I think he did
11:2711 minutes, 27 secondsyeah Oscar nomination guy should be able to write his ticket in Hollywood he must have owed the guy a favor right sly's
11:3511 minutes, 35 secondsworth almost $500 million the guy does not need to work another he can he can put on 500 lbs never do a day of work in
11:4311 minutes, 43 secondshis life 20 years ago he could have stopped working so he you think Shooter McGavin called him up well this is the thing why why did he do this movie
11:5211 minutes, 52 secondsMatthew bod well this this film had a $6 million budget is that like the going rate for these straight to video I can't
11:5911 minutes, 59 secondsimagine that most straight to video movies have a budget over 10 million I I did a couple of episodes with Shawn on
12:0712 minutes, 7 secondsyou must break this podcast and the two that I did with him actually I don't know about the first one but the second one was definitely $6 million and I was like wow that's like right on the nose
12:1612 minutes, 16 secondsfor the same one as this a lot of those movies shoot in like or Canada or Bulgaria this one was filmed in New
12:2512 minutes, 25 secondsOrleans right uh Atlanta Atlanta okay sure or or Athens Georgia some like
12:3212 minutes, 32 secondsoutside of Atlanta not even in the city but well Atlanta gives those huge tax incentives Jersey used to too Doug
12:3912 minutes, 39 secondsbefore Christy got stupid and took them all away and oh wonderful film industry left a wonderful I don't know if you remember Doug there was a studio in
12:4812 minutes, 48 secondsHoboken where they used to film TV shows and they filmed the movie um yeah Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mine
12:5512 minutes, 55 secondsthere yeah what uh there was there's another one that was filming there too I can't remember I can't think of it right now but yeah like Jersey had like a
13:0313 minutes, 3 secondslegitimate film industry growing and then well I don't want to get into it okay well okay so honestly why ran is
13:1213 minutes, 12 secondssuch a polite Canadian well I might not be very polite talking about this film we had a great
13:2013 minutes, 20 secondsreview our last review was Nighthawks boy that seems like freaking gone with the wi cablanca quality Godfather quality compared to this
13:2913 minutes, 29 secondswhy does sly say you know what I've got nothing better to do on a Saturday Sunday I'm doing this what's the point like what is the point why Mar any
13:3713 minutes, 37 secondsLegacy like you're saying he just did Creed and Creed 2 he you know even ramble last blood was on the dock why is he like wasting his time what is going
13:4613 minutes, 46 secondson here going back going back to Sean's show Dolph lungren made all these straight to video movies because that was putting food on his table Yeah Yeah
13:5513 minutes, 55 secondsbut like you said Ryan like he didn't need to do this what goes through his mind maybe Sly doesn't like spending time at home with
14:0414 minutes, 4 secondshis wife and his daughters I mean Instagram would would say differently yeah no kidding all right the other
14:1114 minutes, 11 secondsinteresting thing about this too is he didn't even seem that interested in it because we all know we've talked about slice hyp before but in this movie I
14:2014 minutes, 20 secondsthink everybody in the movie is taller than him there's even a scene where he's walking next to a woman and she's taller than him yeah he he dialed it in like he
14:2814 minutes, 28 secondsliterally he didn't like he Bruce Willis it okay well speaking of Bruce Willis this director what's his name Brian Miller sure okay well I looked him up
14:3714 minutes, 37 secondslook okay well I bring this up because let's just say his name is Brian Miller because it really it doesn't matter he's a nobody is Ryan it might no not Ryan
14:4414 minutes, 44 secondsit's uh it's Brian Miller I believe this is his thing he does direct the video movies there's a business like look I'm
14:5114 minutes, 51 secondsnot how should I say this I'm not opposed the idea that people do direct the video this is kind of mar streaming especially in Co you can almost argue
14:5914 minutes, 59 secondshey direct the video might just video on demand might just be the way things cont King yeah content's King sure uh this guy's directed about 7 to8 movies last
15:0815 minutes, 8 secondsfive years with Bruce Wills alone so he's definitely has he has his finger on the pulse of aess stars who are not
15:1615 minutes, 16 secondsdoing aess roles anymore and so it's kind of sad to see Sly kind of like oh I'll try this out I'll do this but
15:2315 minutes, 23 secondswatching this film I wonder like somebody still approach s obviously his agent I don't know quite how it works his agent says hey this guy's worked with Bruce Willis you know he's done
15:3115 minutes, 31 secondssome decent which he hasn't if you look at the reviews all of his movies have received horrible reviews online with critics fans just pure drudgery but I
15:4015 minutes, 40 secondswonder was it just hey of the $6 million dollar budget hey Sly here's a million dollars for two days work I mean that could easily just be all it took maybe
15:4915 minutes, 49 secondsyeah and he got to work with Shooter McGavin and Matthew mí who I felt more sorry for who shoot him a gab is that
15:5515 minutes, 55 secondsthe Christopher McDonald actor yeah what was that again that Adam sailor movie it
16:0216 minutes, 2 secondswas right the whole time every time he came on screen I'm like hey shoie or beaver's father from the leave
16:0916 minutes, 9 secondsof the Beaver movie oh right yeah I I recognized him once I saw him one of those character actors is in a lot of things let's talk about the film I went
16:1716 minutes, 17 secondsin blind I didn't see a trailer as I as I usually do I didn't I didn't see a trailer one of our listeners SEO by the speaking of SEO the robot SEO he
16:2516 minutes, 25 secondsmessaged me seeing that we were doing back Trace he goes oh I've never heard of this film he says let me go check out the trailer so he watched the trailer and he said oh they just tell the movie
16:3316 minutes, 33 secondsin the whole trailer so I don't need to watch it now and it looks terrible and that was his response so he said he's going to base whether or not to watch the movie based on our review on this
16:4016 minutes, 40 secondsepisode and didn't Andy warn us about this movie probably in 2018 when it came out that like it was a bait and switch
16:4816 minutes, 48 secondsthat it wasn't a Stallone movie yeah yeah I heard that he wasn't in that much maybe because I was expecting him to be in it for like 5 minutes I was actually surprised about know SL for an hour and
16:5616 minutes, 56 secondsa half movie he it's a if you want to talk a cast movie of whether or not the all these actors are horrible by the way
17:0317 minutes, 3 secondsbut if oh my goodness it's it's it seemed like every 5 minutes it was about to break into a porn film these actors
17:1117 minutes, 11 secondsall looked like scuzzy greasy this is what they do with their clothes on type acting and I I mean that with no disrespect to the adult film
17:1917 minutes, 19 secondsindustry people but it is it is seemed these guys could have easily been a part of uh what you'd see on the internet yeah but the other thing about it is
17:2717 minutes, 27 secondssly's character you could take him out of the movie and the movie is no different well it's not written for a slide but I mean that character aside from the end the
17:3717 minutes, 37 secondscharacter serves no purpose he doesn't drive the story it's almost like imagine they they're like hey we've got this footage of Sly being a like a cop what
17:4617 minutes, 46 secondscan we do with it oh let's build a movie around it it almost seems as absurd as that hold on you want to talk about
17:5217 minutes, 52 secondsabsurd you mentioned sorry we we the gates are is 72 years old in 2018 how is
18:0118 minutes, 1 secondhe still working as a cop how is he not retired maybe he's 60
18:0718 minutes, 7 secondsIan no no enough enough of this no he looks 72 enough of this in New Jersey police are forced into retirement at age
18:1618 minutes, 16 seconds65 I was going to ask you that Doug you could have argued the start of this film he could have been at his retirement age because it fast forward seven years
18:2318 minutes, 23 secondslater so SCE character whose name is Sykes by the way
18:3218 minutes, 32 secondshave you met anybody in your life with last name hey Sykes from uh from White Snake okay murder oh there you go okay well how do
18:4018 minutes, 40 secondsyou spell it s y KES yeah that's how John Sy spells okay all right all right fair enough I don't know why it just seemed like a funny name to me how many
18:4918 minutes, 49 secondsdetectives are there until the age of 72 at the age of 72 or even 65 is that is that normal to retire as a 65-year-old
18:5718 minutes, 57 secondsdetective I mean if a detective maybe because you know it's they have more longevity than beat cops could he be a
19:0419 minutes, 4 secondsconsultant he could be or he can like retire and come back as like a civilian police director or something but you
19:1219 minutes, 12 secondsknow he's not he's a detective he is on duty at 72 years old all right you're
19:2119 minutes, 21 seconds72 let's say he got on when he was 25 that's almost a 50-year career yeah and he he be like chief of police or
19:3019 minutes, 30 secondssomething he's never made police he's never made Sergeant or lieutenant or captain or major or anything but he's a
19:3719 minutes, 37 secondshell of a shot he's a hell of a shot so the movie opens with three gentlemen in a vehicle I saw the poster when I
19:4519 minutes, 45 secondsbrought it up on um I think I watched it on Hulu and I didn't even realize that was Matthew Modine on the poster so when
19:5219 minutes, 52 secondsI see one of the guys was Matthew Modine I was like whoa this is Matthew Modine like married to the Mob for jacket yeah he's great in that joke yeah full metal
20:0020 minutesjacket I mean like stranger things he was in the what the first season of stranger things like I mean I'm like whoa Matthew Modine this is we're
20:0820 minutes, 8 secondscooking with grease here can I give you my uh Matthew Modine impersonation for this film this is where seeing this on camera is what it's all about yeah yeah
20:1720 minutes, 17 secondsokay just fragments fragments I know this place I
20:2520 minutes, 25 secondsknow you fragment oh I know I know this
20:3220 minutes, 32 secondsplace I've been here before I you seeing Mac
20:4020 minutes, 40 seconds[Music]
20:4220 minutes, 42 secondsfragments all I see is fragments fragment I seeing
20:5120 minutes, 51 secondsfragments why do I know this place where are we you know I was gonna say that I liked
21:0121 minutes, 1 secondMatthew mine right up until that fragment scene I thought he did a decent job first half and he was
21:0821 minutes, 8 secondsclearly the only actor that was actually attempting to do anything in this movie Stallone wasn't Shooter McGavin wasn't
21:1721 minutes, 17 secondsall the the porn actors weren't I mean the acting and Ryan I'm glad you pointed out cuz it was atrocious like the one
21:2521 minutes, 25 secondsscene where sly's talking to like the lady about Amnesia that's got to be the worst acting I've seen in a major movie in in
21:3421 minutes, 34 seconds10 years it's fairly catastrophic retrograde amnesia you think it was real or you think he was faking I believe it was
21:4221 minutes, 42 secondsreal this brain Imaging says it was real every neurological test we've ever done said it was real detective this was the
21:4821 minutes, 48 secondsworst case I've seen it took him 6 months to learn how to walk again and another 12 just to learn how to speak a
21:5521 minutes, 55 secondsman's lucky to have survived let me ask you something if it wasn't an
22:0222 minutes, 2 secondsaxe how do you get out of this place has you had any visitors lately I've been here four years and other than police
22:0922 minutes, 9 secondsinvestigators and the occasional reporter no one's come calling it's just a terrible movie but it it's almost bad enough to be funny almost you know how
22:1822 minutes, 18 secondslike the room it's it's not supposed to be bad but it's just a bad movie it doesn't quite push the cult level of bad
22:2622 minutes, 26 secondsbut there's dialogue for example well let's just talk about so he's talking to the doctor oh no we got well we well let's go in chronological order CU there's people that have not seen this film and they're not going to watch this
22:3422 minutes, 34 secondsfilm after we've talked about it or they might watch it just to see how much of a train rack it is so the movie opens with three gentlemen in the vehicle who' just finished digging up something cuz they
22:4222 minutes, 42 secondssay put some dirt on the shovel which I guess is indicate that if somebody looks at the shovels we'll get to that that they see that the shovels has been used to bury something I don't know if you
22:5022 minutes, 50 secondscaught that at the very beginning so they they go to this meat place to uh give money over and and they rob the
22:5822 minutes, 58 secondsbank right and the people that have come to collect their share are like well where's our money and they're like no there's three of us there's one of you
23:0523 minutes, 5 secondswe did all the Dirty Work robbing this Bank uh so we're only to give you a quarter of what we did there's three of us we took whatever the amount was it's
23:1323 minutes, 13 seconds$20 million who the hell are you never mind that where's the money there you
23:2323 minutes, 23 secondsgo where's the rest of it we took our share that's your cut that wasn't the deal I know Mac yeah well it is now
23:3223 minutes, 32 secondsthat's got to be less than half you're damn right it's less than half 20 million split 4 ways three of us pulled the job 5 million a piece the rest is
23:3923 minutes, 39 secondsyours any one of those bills could have been mocked how do you expect to launder it let us worry about it whoa whoa whoa whoo whoo relax where's our money
23:4823 minutes, 48 seconds[ __ ] easy guys where's the money calm down all right we buried the money you kill us nobody gets anything just calm
23:5523 minutes, 55 secondsDown's bluffing just relax this isn't the plan you're right it isn't part of the plan now I'm a little bit confused did they have 20 and they were going to
24:0324 minutes, 3 secondsgive them a quarter of the 20 so they should only have 15 the number was very confusing about what they had and what they were going to give them I didn't think pass the line as soon as the line
24:1124 minutes, 11 secondscame out I forgot it okay uh so they were double crossed the people that were helping them rob the bank I guess they
24:1924 minutes, 19 secondswere the Intel people maybe the people that maybe they didn't really explain how they helped did you catch how they helped them rob the bank okay all right
24:2724 minutes, 27 secondsuh so these three guys though they worked is min said they worked at the cement factory itself well one of them
24:3424 minutes, 34 secondswas a guard at the bank right or he stole somebody's identity okay okay yeah okay the three people in the vehicle at
24:4324 minutes, 43 secondsthe beginning two of them got killed Matthew modine's character survived the shootout I thought they were guards they
24:4924 minutes, 49 secondshelped him Rob the uh okay the bank okay the news reel that comes up next that
24:5624 minutes, 56 secondsone of the dead guys was an a guard for the bank law enforcement officials are following several leads and what authorities are calling one of the
25:0425 minutes, 4 secondslargest bank robberies in State history over 20 million was stolen from Central City Bank in the morning hours of Monday April
25:1125 minutes, 11 seconds8th Ike Foster and John truy died at the scene the third subject Don Vin McDonald remains in a coma following injuries
25:2025 minutes, 20 secondssustained during the robbery at the press conference earlier today Captain Stover of Metropolitan Police Department released updated information regarding
25:2825 minutes, 28 secondsthe alleged suspects our Major Crimes unit is investigating multiple leads our preliminary results indicated that one
25:3525 minutes, 35 secondsof the suspects John truy was employed by the security firm that was contracted at Central City Bank we're still
25:4325 minutes, 43 secondsreviewing those findings with our partners in the FBI we don't want to jump the gun till we have more definitive details next question okay so
25:5225 minutes, 52 secondsfar our listeners if you're tracking okay so three people in the vehic if you're back tracing with us tring two guys got killed the rob the bank Matthew
26:0026 minutesmodine's character got injured in the shootout he was left there to die he wasn't killed the two bad guys that did the shooting got away but they didn't have the money because the money was
26:0826 minutes, 8 secondshidden we'll get to where it was hidden later and then Sylvester Salone and the crew come well they come to the crime scene and it turns out that this guy
26:1726 minutes, 17 secondsgoes into a com or sorry into an amnesic state for seven years so it goes seven years later we see Matthew M's character in the psychiatric prison Ward and he
26:2626 minutes, 26 secondsdoesn't remember anything previous to the shootout but he's in custody because he still committed the crime but he
26:3326 minutes, 33 secondsdoesn't remember doing the crime so it's kind of a one of an interesting I guess you could say it could have been an interesting philosophical discussion but it's never it never is he's in the
26:4226 minutes, 42 secondspsychiatric prison Ward during the 7-year period this robbery has just shocked the nation it has become the
26:5026 minutes, 50 secondsmajor case for this city that they have been investigating for 7 years and they
26:5726 minutes, 57 secondshave been going back to that okay guys they went to that cement factory apparently for months they said months
27:0627 minutes, 6 secondsremember that old cement factory you used to work at yeah we come through that place for months didn't find a damn thing maybe we weren't looking in the
27:1327 minutes, 13 secondsright place they went there for months and couldn't find the hidden money stuck in a pipe yeah $20 million is a lot of money and that those
27:2327 minutes, 23 secondsbags were not big enough for $20 million no not even close how many thousand single bills would that be 20 million worth I don't know I I don't know I'm
27:3227 minutes, 32 secondsnot a mathema 200,000 yeah another thing that they didn't really articulate but they mentioned later on in the film is he wasn't locked up because they thought
27:4127 minutes, 41 secondshe robbed the bank he was locked up because they thought he shot those two guys because wasn't there a thing about
27:4927 minutes, 49 secondslike ballistic bullets that killed the guys wasn't match to any weapons on scene that would just tell me that the people there was people involved in the
27:5727 minutes, 57 secondsshootout that weren't there anymore none of the weapons used at the crime scene match the ballistics someone else had to be
28:0428 minutes, 4 secondsinvolved when they took their weapons with them yeah it wasn't even a a choice the police yeah so what they're saying
28:1228 minutes, 12 secondsis is that there was a shootout we got three bodies one still surviving they were able to track bullets from the three dead people to their weapons but
28:2028 minutes, 20 secondsthere was also rounds on the ground that didn't belong to the weapons left to the crime scene so that would tell me personally that maybe there's people at the shootout that took the weapons with
28:2828 minutes, 28 secondsthem the survivors mhm no but they thought Mac killed those two guys we're
28:3628 minutes, 36 secondsnow we're seven years ahead nothing has happened under the fact that we see Matthew mine's character McDonald is his name it's now seven years later he seems to be a
28:4428 minutes, 44 secondscalm rational type person he's just he's almost innocent like I just don't remember the people keep asking me questions I don't remember we'll get to
28:5228 minutes, 52 secondshow he gets out of the psychiatric ward prison Ward Stallone's character talking about the he's talking to the doctor
28:5928 minutes, 59 secondswho's been working with McDonald he asks the doctor apparently he's been there for years cuz that's mentioned he's been going to visit him for years trying to
29:0729 minutes, 7 secondsget information but he asked the doctor do you think he's faking it so it's a long Con well not just that but the fact that this investigating police officer
29:1529 minutes, 15 secondswho apparently has been going to the hospital for the past seven took him seven years to ask that question yeah now you're asking the question do you think he's Faking It even in his police
29:2429 minutes, 24 secondsabilities he should be able to come to some sort of conclusion that I'm being conned or not and that this discussion with professional medical staff would
29:3129 minutes, 31 secondseasily have been discussed or figured out long before 7 years later no that's an excellent point and it shows the
29:3929 minutes, 39 secondsweakness of the of the script writing which there's a plenty uh but that doctor I mean she was
29:4629 minutes, 46 secondssmoking and a horrible actress atrocious is the word you have to use I mean which leads me to my really cut it I've seen
29:5329 minutes, 53 secondslike High School drama Productions where a 15-year-old kid's turned into better performance he gets out of prison this
30:0130 minutes, 1 secondis how he gets out this is the most complicated part of the movie so he is having a medical exam of some sort oh no
30:0830 minutes, 8 secondssorry he has a visit he gets a visitor a visitor comes into the okay that's right so a visitor not a visitor an in inmate
30:1630 minutes, 16 secondssits at him at supper so somebody he's never met before s and we as an audience member has not has not seen before sits at the table he looks like a greasy he's
30:2330 minutes, 23 secondsgot a long hair beard kind of looks like a creepy guy like he's a molester of some sort like in jail cuz he molested somebody so he's sitting at the table
30:3230 minutes, 32 secondswith modine's character he's like have we met before hey I'm
30:3830 minutes, 38 secondsLucas just got in yeah 72 hour psychiatric evaluation it's
30:4530 minutes, 45 secondsvoluntary do I know you you seem familiar no you don't know
30:5330 minutes, 53 secondsme but I know you how's that read all about you saw all those news stories about you and
31:0131 minutes, 1 secondthat bank robbery well then you know more about it than I do I know that you're not guilty at
31:0931 minutes, 9 secondsleast not for everything they're accusing you for how long you been here 7 years I bet you're missing life
31:1831 minutes, 18 secondsoutside these walls I'd bet even more than you're desperate to get out we're led to believe that the that the connection is
31:2731 minutes, 27 secondshe was in on the Heist he's part of the gang that helped operate so now he's got into the inside of the prison to get him out so they can go find the money where
31:3531 minutes, 35 secondsit was hidden cuz the only surviving member what knows where the money is the one person with amnesia he says take this pill after we're done supper and
31:4331 minutes, 43 secondsthis pill will get you out of the hospital what's that what if I told you I can get you out of here I'd say you're
31:5131 minutes, 51 secondscrazy you mean to tell me after all this time you spent in here you can't tell the difference between these nut jobs and me
31:5831 minutes, 58 secondsdamn I'm good how would you get me out of this place as much as I like to take credit
32:0632 minutes, 6 secondsfor all this I got some help why are you doing this I got 20 million reasons if
32:1332 minutes, 13 secondsyou read my case you'd know that I don't have any memory of what happened to me before I was sent to this place
32:2132 minutes, 21 secondslook you want to get out of here this is your chance I'd say sleep on it but I'm being discharged tonight so you got to
32:2932 minutes, 29 secondsmake a decision quick cuz the clock is ticking trust me why would I trust you you got any better
32:3832 minutes, 38 secondsoptions everything's going to be all right that's basically the setup and he says I'm I'm new here I'm only I'm only here for 72 hours and they're going to
32:4632 minutes, 46 secondstake me out but then even though in the same conversation he says he's been discharged tonight so he contradicted his own story I it was hard to not find
32:5432 minutes, 54 secondsthe fault in the script he tells modine's character I I I'm here for 72 hours but then then during the same conversation he says I'm being discharged tonight anyways so he takes
33:0333 minutes, 3 secondsthe pill and Mod's character starts getting sick and then the next scene is him lying in the in the infirmary with a
33:1133 minutes, 11 secondsnurse and the doctor she takes him out of the facility in her in the trunk of her car I mean we don't see him leaving
33:1933 minutes, 19 secondsit's ridiculous so the nurse who now I figured out her age in real life like what this so her name is metal Williams
33:2833 minutes, 28 secondsduring this movie yeah are you talking about which one the blond hair one IMDb destroys her you could tell that she had plastic
33:3633 minutes, 36 secondssurgery so I couldn't tell if she was an old looking 30-year-old or a young looking 60-year-old so was in it was in
33:4433 minutes, 44 secondsbetween she was 52 in the film but it threw me off when something was revealed later because I was like I can't tell her age and what the anyways she says
33:5333 minutes, 53 secondsyou know she's the nurse she says there there you'll feel better Mac how are you feeling like I was poisoned the side
34:0234 minutes, 2 secondseffects will only last a few hours here take this it will help calm you
34:0934 minutes, 9 secondsdown cut to the next scene the same nurse is leaving the prison and we have the security guard she's showing more
34:1734 minutes, 17 secondssecurity for somebody leaving the prison who works there show me what's in your bag you done for the day uh just
34:2634 minutes, 26 secondsfinishing out the we go ahead and sign this I'm going to have to have you open up that bag for me
34:3334 minutes, 33 secondscertainly just returning these to County um Dr Nicholls sign off on it let's get you to open up the back as
34:4234 minutes, 42 secondswell okay give me a second let me just say that had this security officer done the same amount of security in 9/11 we'd
34:4834 minutes, 48 secondshave a different world history right now so and and Doug I mean I don't know
34:5534 minutes, 55 secondswhere your experience cuts off here but you being an officer are you a police officer Doug have you yes check wouldn't
35:0435 minutes, 4 secondsthose Security check like sort of happen as you're leaving the building itself yeah the building yeah you have to walk
35:1235 minutes, 12 secondsthrough metal detectors they scan you they search your bags your personal property before you even leave the building yeah it seems like by the time
35:2035 minutes, 20 secondsyou're in your car it's too late for the most part yeah we get the idea this is a very high security type prison the
35:2735 minutes, 27 secondsamount of scrutiny that this security guard was giving an official worker there a nurse no less of like let me check your bag I've got to check your trunk and the security guard behind the
35:3735 minutes, 37 secondsnurse was yelling hey let her through come on we got to go here they were working together obviously but we didn't
35:4435 minutes, 44 secondssee how Matthew modine's character got from the hospital bed to the trunk of the car so we're led to believe that they were disabled to arbitrarily walk through the hallways or how did they how
35:5235 minutes, 52 secondsdo they mobilize this half intoxicated into and how did they convince him to get get into the trunk of the car he has no memory of why not just have him take
36:0036 minutesthe pill and then the next shot is him waking up wherever they took him it would have avoided us questioning the
36:0836 minutes, 8 secondsprocedure that they used to get him out I just want our chat's lighting up a little bit we've got a visitor in the chat room my brother Reuben has uh piped
36:1536 minutes, 15 secondsin and chimed in uh former Reuben former and hopefully one day he'll co-host again on the going in the distance podcast he's just been cutting and
36:2436 minutes, 24 secondspasting some incredible reviews from IM IMDb if you go into the chat you'll see those but one that was kind of funny here was this is somebody defending the
36:3236 minutes, 32 secondsfilm and probably speaking to us says I thought the film was excellent people always moan and slack films off when they either don't make films themselves
36:4136 minutes, 41 secondsnot knowing how hard it is to make a film I hate that argument by the way yeah that's nobody intends to make a bad film but they happen and more bad films
36:5136 minutes, 51 secondshappen than good films it's commendable that everybody did what they did but we can criticize this because I directed
36:5836 minutes, 58 secondstwo short films one that won an award I feel like I am qualified to call this a bad movie to whoever that IMDb reviewer
37:0737 minutes, 7 secondswas the hardest part about a film I think is getting the money behind it because I I think honestly if you us
37:1437 minutes, 14 secondsthree were given $6 million a $6 million budget to make any kind of film we want I'm not saying it' be the best film in the year but I guarantee it would be
37:2137 minutes, 21 secondsbetter than back Trace back Trace wasn't made to be a good movie it was made to cost 6 million ion doll and get a half
37:2937 minutes, 29 secondsmillion doll return I mean and whatever they sold it to streaming for I mean it's streaming right you're right you're absolutely right it's a streaming rights they sold it to Netflix here in Canada
37:3737 minutes, 37 secondsthey sold it to Hulu they sold it yeah of course it makes they made $2 million all said and done after the
37:4537 minutes, 45 secondstheatrical run and whatever licensing they got that's $2 million on a $6 million investment most people would take that right of course it probably
37:5337 minutes, 53 secondsmade its money back and just like you said getting into somebody like Sly coming in had somebody else starred in that same role that Sly was in do you
38:0238 minutes, 2 secondsthink we'd be talking about backr ever in our life as a movie no so there you go no because I've scrolled past all those Bruce buis movies you're talking about yeah I've scrolled past every one
38:1138 minutes, 11 secondsof them well talking about the cast a little bit it's also this same cast of like greasy characters they're all in this guy's movies he uses the same cast for all of his movies he's kind of like
38:2038 minutes, 20 secondsthe he's kind of like the Rob Zombie of straight to video action films he uses all the same characters the same cast of characters for all of his movies
38:2838 minutes, 28 secondsI thought you were G to say Martin scoi yeah I should have yeah now this guy's gotten out of prison
38:3538 minutes, 35 secondsthey now take him to a house to and they basically say look we brought you to this house we'll get to the house later but we brought you to this house because
38:4338 minutes, 43 secondswe want to inject you with exper an experimental serum that has been used to help people who have lost their memory
38:5138 minutes, 51 secondsto get their memory back there's and it kills 20% of the people right it well works on 80 it works on 80% % of the people here's the numbers I think I
38:5938 minutes, 59 secondsmemorize it it works on 80% of the people to get back up to 40% of memory and the 20% of the people that it doesn't work on it just kills them so
39:0839 minutes, 8 secondsbasically if you don't get 40% of your memory back the alternative is you you
39:1139 minutes, 11 seconds[Music]
39:1439 minutes, 14 secondsdie this is an lpt enhancer a what a drug that stimulates the frontal lobe of the brain which controls memory look
39:2339 minutes, 23 secondsI've been stuck with every truth serum and memory enhancer ever in ented not this one how do you figure because it
39:3139 minutes, 31 secondsjust finished clinical trials over 80% of the patients who took this regained almost 40% of their memory
39:3939 minutes, 39 secondswhat happened to the other 20% they died I have no recollection of what happened to me in my past and I'm not
39:4839 minutes, 48 secondsgoing to let you guys fry my brain trying to figure it out there is $20 million in cash hidden
39:5539 minutes, 55 secondsout there and we believe that you know where it's stashed and we're not the only ones looking for it so if you want to survive the next couple days I
40:0240 minutes, 2 secondssuggest you start working with us hey there's an 80% chance that stuff will work yes what are the side effects go
40:0940 minutes, 9 secondsahead and tell them it's not going to be pleasant dizziness vertigo possible hallucinations and those headaches of
40:1740 minutes, 17 secondsyours are going to get much much worse good news is you remember where you buried the money and we all Prosper this doesn't work by itself we're going to
40:2640 minutes, 26 secondshave to expose you you to some places from your past so you think this is going to release my memories it takes about 15 minutes to
40:3540 minutes, 35 secondsstart working okay I'm going to need you to remain incredibly still you're going to want to bite down on this trust me it
40:4340 minutes, 43 secondshas to be injected directly into your spinal hold them down Mac I'm sorry this
40:5240 minutes, 52 secondsis going to hurt H hold him
40:5740 minutes, 57 seconds[Laughter]
40:5940 minutes, 59 secondsseems like a highrisk low reward there why does it kill you if it doesn't get the memory back you could AR why is it injected into the spine too it it seems
41:0841 minutes, 8 secondslike something that should be intravenous right I mean it's it's some kind of chemical the spinal cord the spinal cord
41:1741 minutes, 17 secondsyeah g and I hate needles I admit when they put the needle in the back of the neck I was like I'm not watching I turned away I can't watch brings up
41:2641 minutes, 26 secondsanother thing I wanted to talk about and this is sort of like the back Trace $6 million mudget checklist we've got a
41:3341 minutes, 33 secondspolice station set we've got a mental hospital set we've got an abandoned house set and we've got this meat
41:4141 minutes, 41 secondspacking plant check so they' got four locations boom build a movie around it uh Ruben just chimed in again he said
41:4941 minutes, 49 secondscasting was done by AMT Furla who engaged with various quote investor actors to finance the film okay the bozo
41:5741 minutes, 57 secondsor the bimbo that we saw she probably put up a 100 Grand investor actress metal Williams bought her role in the
42:0442 minutes, 4 secondsfilm by playing producers EMT Furla and invested in the film quote unquote boss level and
42:1242 minutes, 12 secondslater it's like a Kickstarter 10 10 minutes gone her role had to be mainly cut out due to her inability to act or
42:2042 minutes, 20 secondseven show up knowing any of her lines actors Modine and Guzman spent hours rehearsing with her to try to teach her
42:2742 minutes, 27 secondsacting 101 but the gold digger Who had who had con the billionaire out of over $800 million had absolutely no
42:3542 minutes, 35 secondsskills or talent and was mostly cut from the final film that sounds a little subjective to be like I am sounds like it sounds like the person that wrote
42:4342 minutes, 43 secondsthat might be the person that got ripped off $800 million can you imagine how frustrating it is for Matthew Modine I was directed by Stanley
42:5242 minutes, 52 secondskubri and now I'm on the set of this movie with this boss level investor oh my god oh metal Williams was
43:0143 minutes, 1 secondwhat was in another one of the films who put up for the poll reach me she's in reach me as well Salone connection yeah that is
43:1143 minutes, 11 secondshilarious I'm just did we figure out what the third movie was too what was the third movie we would put up for vote come on mine was mine was this movie I
43:2043 minutes, 20 secondscan't I picked it and I can't remember it that's horrible I picked back Trace oh you did no I picked I picked the the third unknown movie you picked reach me
43:2843 minutes, 28 secondsRyan okay I remember I remember the chat that's weird that we can't remember the third movie I I can't even find the poll I I tried to look for it okay so at
43:3643 minutes, 36 secondsleast now it explains that they had to put up with this bad acting because the people paid to be in the movie yeah it
43:4443 minutes, 44 secondslooks like it what was sly's donation it had to be a favor there's you know deals you make in Hollywood right where you say I'll get you down
43:5243 minutes, 52 secondsthe road or I owe you one or something when Sly was filming Balboa he needed that van or something you know they gave
44:0044 minuteshim that van and they said down the road make sure when I call you okay so they're at the house the truth serum has been given or sorry the memory serum has
44:0944 minutes, 9 secondsbeen given to Matthew mine's character so at the house we should say we have the nurse we have the guard and then we
44:1644 minutes, 16 secondshave the prison inmate all these people have been a part of Matthew modine's character his name is McDonald prior to the uh the him comeing to the house so
44:2444 minutes, 24 secondshe goes you're not really a nurse you're not really a security guard at the hospital and you're not really a prison
44:3144 minutes, 31 secondsinmate okay obviously you guys know who I am who are you you're not a security
44:4044 minutes, 40 secondsguard you're not crazy are you a nurse I was in a former life you know you guys are all working together say yeah we
44:4844 minutes, 48 secondshave 20 million reasons to why we want to work together so we brought you to this house because we've heard that when you use this memory serum people need to
44:5644 minutes, 56 secondsgo to a place where they knew something about or they had a history know where ways of view well this must to be the guy's house cuz he goes to the fireplace
45:0345 minutes, 3 secondsmantle and he holds on to it like he's transferring the energy of the fireplace mantle through his hands and his into his memory banks
45:1045 minutes, 10 secondsfragments memory images I know this place and he's doing that we're like okay this is the guy's
45:1845 minutes, 18 secondshouse okay there's your first clue this guy used to live here obviously the people that used to live here aren't there anymore so the three individuals are like oh this is exciting he know
45:2745 minutes, 27 secondsgetting some of his memory back we were ready to take him to the next big location which is where the money was buried so they figured the two locations was his home okay and now that his memor
45:3545 minutes, 35 secondsis coming back they're going to take him to the cement factory where the money was buried but before we get there a cop who's just doing his rounds comes to the
45:4345 minutes, 43 secondshouse because I guess he's just priv property afternoon officer afternoon you got business here it's just private
45:5145 minutes, 51 secondsproperty place has already been foreclosed you told me the title was clear it is I'm sorry sir I I was only
45:5945 minutes, 59 secondsout here because uh the bank had listed it for auction you say you're out here looking at buying this property yes sir
46:0646 minutes, 6 secondsI needed a place to run my horses really how about you show me some ID
46:1346 minutes, 13 secondsyeah 348 go ahead give me a
46:1646 minutes, 16 seconds[Music]
46:1946 minutes, 19 secondssecond 38 I copy you can show me rout folks I got it clear like I said this is private property have the proper
46:2646 minutes, 26 secondsdocument if you're going to be here yes sir Doug you're a police officer and I do want to ask is it against the law to
46:3346 minutes, 33 secondsnot have ID on you no so why do cops and movies do that show me some idea I don't have any like what would happen I don't have any idea on me sorry if you're a
46:4246 minutes, 42 secondsperson of interest they would have to verify who you are if you don't have an ID on you we could bring you back to the station and fingerprint you and send it to the state police and they they can
46:5146 minutes, 51 secondsreturn you know a result okay so no result comes in then what there's very little we could do at that point so why don't they just play like that so the
46:5846 minutes, 58 secondsguy so you know what you're right officers private property we just uh we were curious looking through the house we we heard some crazy story about a
47:0647 minutes, 6 secondsmass murder that happened here curiosity got the better of us we're leaving now sir and this is all seriously how much grief do you give somebody who's on private property just say just go home
47:1547 minutes, 15 secondsleave or do you actually yeah I mean for the most part I would probably check the house to make sure there was no damage or you know they weren't squatting or
47:2347 minutes, 23 secondsdoing drugs in there or something okay Ryan they needed to kill four minutes yeah that's true it was so tense why was
47:3047 minutes, 30 secondsMatthew modine's character freaking out so much because there was a police officer there no I think it was the reaction to the drug because later in
47:3847 minutes, 38 secondsthe movie he saw law enforcement come he goes law enforcement they're here to kill us remember he said that yeah it was weird I thought the cop was gonna
47:4547 minutes, 45 secondsget killed too Ryan I thought that that mie Trope was gonna get wait why he he freaked out about the cops thinking that he they're GNA kill him is because he
47:5347 minutes, 53 secondsstruck a deal with the cop the FBI guy and the other two guys Shooter McGavin and the other two guys okay and they
48:0148 minutes, 1 secondtried to kill him fragments coming back frag fragments fragments during the shootout the beginning of the movie it wasn't a cop that was killing him the
48:0948 minutes, 9 secondsFBI agent played by Christopher McDonald he purposely sent people that wasn't him to keep him out of the circle it was the bit it was like mob guys were doing the
48:1748 minutes, 17 secondskilling so I guess he could argue what all law enforcements connected to the Mob that's what his brain was like I guess this is a weird throwaway line
48:2448 minutes, 24 secondsit's law enforcement they're here to kill us that's what he said like what well 2020 maybe but
48:3348 minutes, 33 secondsuh just jok it a bullet to the head by the way was the other Stallone movie was that what it was yeah that that was my
48:4048 minutes, 40 secondspick and that didn't win oh Craig you're on CRA you're my wife's using the blender so oh I can't believe that I
48:4948 minutes, 49 secondsdidn't vote for Bullet to the Head I think people honestly want us to suffer because Bol the head is actually a decent film it it's not a horrible watch
48:5848 minutes, 58 secondsthis was a horrible watch this was like the longest 90 minutes we've done in a long time it was an hour and 27 minutes I and I noticed that and I kept looking
49:0649 minutes, 6 secondsI actually how many times did you look at the time when you were watching this honestly every three minutes yeah I saw
49:1349 minutes, 13 secondsI saw it this an hour and 27 minutes long I'm like this is going to be a quick watch but remember I I told you guys that I was trying to slog through
49:2049 minutes, 20 secondsthis to make sure I got it done I'm like God it's got to be close to to over and there's still like 36 minutes left I'm like come on on I saw that too because
49:2949 minutes, 29 secondsthey get to like they get to that Factory and there's like well over a half hour left and I'm like where are they going to go like what there's
49:3649 minutes, 36 secondsnothing left to do how much time is wasted stalking around corners and through buildings oh so much time so
49:4449 minutes, 44 secondsmuch time in that factory let's talk I used that skip 10 second button like yes a hundred times okay so for for those
49:5149 minutes, 51 secondswho don't know this I didn't know this until I I heard rumors that this was going to happen on Netflix and it's only on your pc/laptop if you watch Netflix
49:5949 minutes, 59 secondson your PC or laptop you have the option to watch your show up to 1.25 or 1 and
50:0650 minutes, 6 secondsA2 second faster every scene that was not a Stallone scene I watched it a 1 and a half seconds and at the SLO scenes
50:1450 minutes, 14 secondsI actually watched it at 1.25 got through it that much faster because when they're at the cement factory remember when they're looking for the money the cops said that they
50:2250 minutes, 22 secondslooked through that factory for months the guys were there for 5 minutes it's nothing here nothing over here they
50:3050 minutes, 30 secondsweren't even turning anything over they weren't looking behind it they were just looking in the open space so the cops were there for months at a time they
50:3750 minutes, 37 secondsdidn't find anything but their search happened to be just looking P basically poking their head around the corner oh no bags of money there nope no no bags of money I think the cops would have
50:4650 minutes, 46 secondsfound a big double bag of money in months of SE well like and like you said Ryan they didn't have any kind of high-tech equipment that you can scan
50:5450 minutes, 54 secondswith or something we should mention that the FBI agent that was there to help with the case was the guy that double crossed both Stallone's character of
51:0351 minutes, 3 secondscourse the law enforcement but also doublecross McDonald's character at the beginning so that was the Inside Man was an FBI agent to get this money to help
51:1051 minutes, 10 secondshe helped facilitate the bank robbery blah blah blah why were these three guys recruited again to rob the bank what didn't have something to do with the
51:1851 minutes, 18 secondscement factory that there was some sort of foreclosure or they were desperate for money well how did they get hold on I got this okay it's not going to make
51:2751 minutes, 27 secondsany sense but I got it the cement factory took out a $30 million line of credit from that bank
51:3451 minutes, 34 secondsall right uh and yeah and they used their employees pensions as collateral the cement factory ended up filing for
51:4251 minutes, 42 secondsbankruptcy after taking annual bonuses of 24 million I guess what they did was they jipped all their employees out of the pensions took the money from the
51:5151 minutes, 51 secondsbank and kept it instead of helping out their employees or paying their employes timely it's like an Enron thing I guess it kind of is right so that now kind of
52:0052 minutesmakes sense of how they were able to justify the characters at the end of the film walking away with the money cuz it's kind of it's you know the money was
52:0952 minutes, 9 secondscorrupt or it was going to it may as well go to innocent people okay before we get to that his memory starts coming back spoiler okay this is the big
52:1852 minutes, 18 secondsspoiler for those who have not seen the movie and you think that you might might want to still see the movie This is the six sense M Night Shaman spoiler alert
52:2752 minutes, 27 secondsthe three people who got him out of the hospital the nurse is his wife the two men are his sons I was shocked when he
52:3752 minutes, 37 secondssaid it was his wife she looked so much younger than him and she looked way too young to have grownup children but the ages actually matched the plastic
52:4452 minutes, 44 secondssurgery helped her a little bit because she's actually 50 the actress is legitimately she metal Williams is 52 at the time of the filming of this of that
52:5152 minutes, 51 secondsmovie and Modine was only 59 so it's only sevene difference uh that's it's very very normal and the kids the two
53:0053 minutesactors uh the one that played uh the older boy he was 31 so that means uh they had him when they were in their
53:0853 minutes, 8 secondsearly 20s that's all so it's all legit the ages actually were legit with the actors and the characters other son Fen his name Fen I could not find his age
53:1753 minutes, 17 secondsanywhere online but I would assume he's about the same Sir Robert who said he fell asleep he's in our chat he fell
53:2453 minutes, 24 secondsasleep watching the film he didn't know about the spoiler his response was OMG time
53:3153 minutes, 31 seconds3 I think and I suspect he's being like Oh my G that's horrible twist yes it was
53:4053 minutes, 40 secondshis family and so so the bad guys come to the cement factory because now the family McDonald and his family if
53:4953 minutes, 49 secondsthey've reconciled they got their dad back they're looking for the money he's on boards to find this money with his kids and his wife
53:5753 minutes, 57 secondsand the bad guys come and a shootout ensues kills the son so one son is dead and he grieved a little bit I guess
54:0554 minutes, 5 secondsthere's a little bit of grieving I remember I
54:1354 minutes, 13 secondsremember I'm sorry I'm so
54:1954 minutes, 19 seconds[Music]
54:2054 minutes, 20 secondssorry I'm so sorry I'm so sorry I'm so sorry move on yeah it was horrible and
54:3054 minutes, 30 secondsremember when modine's character told Sly that like Sly heard that a son yeah I heard about your son this money cost me my son's
54:4054 minutes, 40 secondslife sorry about that but I'm sure it'll get you where you want to go yeah I heard about that sorry that's
54:4854 minutes, 48 secondstoo bad it was a very like uh the bad guys come to uh at the same time there's a shootout they they grab the money so
54:5654 minutes, 56 secondsone son has died okay they're getting surrounded by the bad guys I don't mean to to uh cut you off but I just finally
55:0355 minutes, 3 secondsfound the poll and Doug you picked zookeeper oh I did I did which got 23.8%
55:1155 minutes, 11 secondsof the vote I wish we watched zookeeper I knew it wasn't bullet to the head because I would have voted for
55:1955 minutes, 19 secondsthat yeah Bolt the heads like I said it's a great film like it's really not a bad film at all watching that right now after seeing this this would actually be
55:2755 minutes, 27 secondsa good pallet cleanser okay so there's a line that just killed me and I please maybe you guys could help me or have you guys explain to me and the listeners how
55:3555 minutes, 35 secondsthis makes sense so one of their family's been shot and killed already by the bad guys the bad guys are are looking for the money that the good good bad guys have found McDonald family they
55:4455 minutes, 44 secondssay grab the money I quote it's the only thing keeping us alive they would have been killed anyway whether or not they
55:5355 minutes, 53 secondshad the money the the bad bad guys they don't even have to look for the money the money's been recovered by the McDonald's okay MH or McDonald and his
56:0056 minuteswife and surviving son they actually have the money but the money was left behind somewhere and the the son called out or the or I think it might have been the wife she said grab the money it's
56:0956 minutes, 9 secondsthe only thing keeping us alive I want to say uh other than the dead son this money hasn't kept anybody alive in fact it's the opposite it's the only thing
56:1656 minutes, 16 secondskilling you guys if you just threw the money at them and ran away you'd probably get away they'd be grabbing the money and in fact if you dump the money
56:2456 minutes, 24 secondsout you know like they do in movies dump it on the ground and bad guys would have chase after the money while you ran away not if they can implicate the feds I I
56:3256 minutes, 32 secondsdon't know if if you even touched upon this Ryme but the bad guys in this movie are the feds are they just straight up fed federal agents yeah oh I didn't know
56:4156 minutes, 41 secondsthat the two guys in the beginning they were all part of the same Squad the two guys in the beginning okay the other guy that was with him the guy with the tight
56:5056 minutes, 50 secondsblack shirt you know and the khakis and the rifle he was with shooting Ravin at the police station I'm I'm spit you know spitballing here I
56:5856 minutes, 58 secondsI don't know if they were but they all seemed like they were they came they rolled in Black Suburbans you know it just seemed like a federal agent thing I
57:0657 minutes, 6 secondsI thought it was the FBI guy in charge just having some hired help like thugs no I thought they were all feds either way great tiebreaker what were
57:1557 minutes, 15 secondsthey the feds were the bad guys yeah I'm with Doug okay all right but the uh but we're led to believe does matter I don't
57:2257 minutes, 22 secondsI just don't care I I I just it's sure they were federal agents okay but the thing is we're led to believe for most
57:3057 minutes, 30 secondsof the movie that right from the beginning that Matthew Modine is the bad guy and it turns out he was just a good guy trying to help his family so he
57:3857 minutes, 38 secondssteals $20 million he was the he was the L MZ character he stole a loaf of bread for his family he took money from the
57:4657 minutes, 46 secondsbad guys to take care of his family he kept saying nobody was supposed to get killed nobody was supposed to get hurt we're just we're taking money from a Bad
57:5457 minutes, 54 secondsCompany who screwed us over we're just so he's not a bad person he what he did was wrong you still can't take money even if it was even if it was fraudulent
58:0258 minutes, 2 secondsmoney you're a police offic right you can't take money from evidence like even though it's criminal money you're still not allowed to take it yeah right right
58:1158 minutes, 11 secondshe's not a murderer and he's or conspiracy to commit murder he's just a robber made a bad decision at a desperate time he's going to lose his
58:1858 minutes, 18 secondsmoney and he saw a crime of opportunity took it and it and it went wrong for him so Stallone's character leaves finally
58:2658 minutes, 26 secondsleaves the station but do you want do we want to talk about what they had set up on the board for this seven-year crime that they're trying to figure out was
58:3358 minutes, 33 secondsthat it's like the classic pyramid of corruption well they had the yarn with the yarn connecting points yeah yeah key
58:4158 minutes, 41 secondspoints it I think it's supposed to show that you know sly's characters you know a little bit old school doesn't really have he doesn't have a computer graph
58:4858 minutes, 48 secondsit's all you know it's that visual te uh Tex stle layout of the pictures and the do they do that in cop stations still
58:5658 minutes, 56 secondsdetective work no no there are no big boards there's like software now like detective yeah or there's a file you
59:0559 minutes, 5 secondsknow like a file that you that you compile your your notes you know you you don't walk into the office say hey I'm G to add something to that board you bring in a picture and I will say this it's an
59:1359 minutes, 13 secondseffective tool for like I mean if you remember like the TV show The Wire they had to beig yes I love you know how they broke down the whole Enterprise visually
59:2259 minutes, 22 secondsit works I mean in this movie it was worthless but okay well did you at the board it was conf it was horrible it was a six-year-old put together none of it
59:3059 minutes, 30 secondsmade sense the the wires going everywhere pictures were scattered it was a horrible layout to begin with for a crime like this where there's so few people involved you don't need all that
59:3959 minutes, 39 seconds[ __ ] yeah in The Wire there's a real criminal Enterprise with a lot of players that they have to kind of put together so yeah that's more of a puzzle
59:4759 minutes, 47 secondsthan a three-person operation sly's Whole acting role for that was sent in in front of that board
59:5659 minutes, 56 secondslet's have a little fun here because that's what we're here for right what if sly's character that police station used
1:00:031 hour, 3 secondsto be an Orange Julius and it became a police station and they couldn't fire him so then he's just sitting at the
1:00:121 hour, 12 secondspoor doing what he think too oh man did you notice his hair straight hairline like it's drew it
1:00:201 hour, 20 secondson okay and look he's 72 bless his heart he's a he's just strong I love Sly look
1:00:281 hour, 28 secondsbut what I love about Clint Eastwood this is example what I love about Clint you just ages like I'm an old man and I'm just old I'm 85 whatever his
1:00:371 hour, 37 secondsmovies are you you never look at Clint and says I think he's trying to hide his age no I mean he looked old since the Spaghetti Westerns like he's always just been a very rugged older looking person
1:00:461 hour, 46 secondsthat's there's no shame that I think with slide I this I know he never listens to our show and I'm not trying to shite on him but it's just there was a part of he's like just it's okay to be
1:00:531 hour, 53 secondsold but then he couldn't have been in this movie and that gets back to the problem yeah after Creed he had an opportunity to Pivot and get that that
1:01:031 hour, 1 minute, 3 secondsClint Eastwood career but for whatever reason vanity ego I don't know he doesn't want to go that direction I will
1:01:101 hour, 1 minute, 10 secondssay this through most of the 80s Sly had a fierce battle with his brother a hair
1:01:171 hour, 1 minute, 17 secondsbattle that Sly soundly won but you know what Frank has won the war Frank's hair
1:01:261 hour, 1 minute, 26 secondsin 2020 it looks pretty good yeah this movie was the first time I've noticed that his plugs were pretty were pretty
1:01:341 hour, 1 minute, 34 secondsprominent it's that ridiculous like it's like a straight hairline like it doesn't tattooed on yeah the verdict is
1:01:431 hour, 1 minute, 43 secondsin it's true I've always kind of wanted to believe but this was a the die job was strong in this one and the plugs in the back there's there's a couple parts
1:01:511 hour, 1 minute, 51 secondswhere you turn around it's just you could see talking about the force or something don't want to turn this into a podcast where we bash s we're not bash
1:01:591 hour, 1 minute, 59 secondslook okay here's the thing the guy is worth 500 million he's adored and loved by many me included but what makes this film hard to watch I hate to say is the
1:02:081 hour, 2 minutes, 8 secondsfact that he's 72 and he's play he's trying to play a role where somebody at 65 is forced retired this the events at the beginning of the movie took place
1:02:161 hour, 2 minutes, 16 secondsseven years later so there's no way around that we can guess he shouldn't be in this film like there's no reason why Sly should be in the film well you know
1:02:231 hour, 2 minutes, 23 secondswhat if he gave a [ __ ] if anybody gave a [ __ ] they could have had seven years ago Sly was retiring it's his last day on
1:02:321 hour, 2 minutes, 32 secondsthe job or whatever he picks up this case then he retires he's got no choice and then he gets called not in an
1:02:391 hour, 2 minutes, 39 secondsofficial capacity but he gets visited he's retired hey this guy broke out of
1:02:461 hour, 2 minutes, 46 secondsthe psych wart or whatever can you give us some insight onto how and then he's working as like a civilian liaison or if
1:02:541 hour, 2 minutes, 54 secondshe like worked the case when it initially happened so you worked this case what can you what can you tell us about the initial robbery and that young
1:03:011 hour, 3 minutes, 1 secondcop that worked with him he's now the head detective right he look I've always you know you you knew the most about this case it's reopen because the guy
1:03:091 hour, 3 minutes, 9 secondsgot out of you know do you mind just if I bend your ear a little bit and then the same thing happens hey you know just so you know I'm at the warehouse like
1:03:161 hour, 3 minutes, 16 secondsyou thought you were right all along your your gut was correct but nobody's listening to me at the precinct I'm going there now then he hears the
1:03:231 hour, 3 minutes, 23 secondsgunshots he grabs his weapon from his house and goes The manfacturing Taste care of business I thought the cleverest writing point in this movie
1:03:321 hour, 3 minutes, 32 secondswas when the other cop got shot in his vest by the way which would have saved his life wouldn't have killed him anyhow none of those vests work they all got
1:03:391 hour, 3 minutes, 39 secondskilled with vest on yeah yeah exactly but he drops his phone and and and can still the best phone
1:03:481 hour, 3 minutes, 48 secondsever it says syes real bigger he hears everything yeah since we were talking about Clint Eastwood if guys remember
1:03:561 hour, 3 minutes, 56 secondsthe Dirty Harry series the last entry in the Dirty Harry series was 1988 the Deadpool and that movie is
1:04:041 hour, 4 minutes, 4 secondsbasically about Dirty Harry being an old man do you want to guess how old Dirty Harry was okay give me a second give me a second 88 how old Clint would was an
1:04:121 hour, 4 minutes, 12 secondsactor as an well I know he's 80 let's say he's 85 now 3 32 so he's like 54 53
1:04:191 hour, 4 minutes, 19 secondshe was 58 okay all right yeah and they're playing him up as you know Dirty Harry oh you know you I'm too old old for this [ __ ] and you know yeah he's 58
1:04:281 hour, 4 minutes, 28 secondsyears old he's close to retirement sure that makes sense yeah he played his age it's just funny so I'm not making fun of
1:04:351 hour, 4 minutes, 35 secondssomebody's appearance in the way that I am a little bit but part of me I'm doing it because it doesn't fit the movie in all fairness alpacino is doing this [ __ ]
1:04:421 hour, 4 minutes, 42 secondstoo yeah Fair there's a a handful of alpacino movies on streaming services where he's doing his heat roll 25 years
1:04:501 hour, 4 minutes, 50 secondslater and again he's got to be a good five or six years older than Sly yeah yeah yeah I also don't want to sound
1:04:581 hour, 4 minutes, 58 secondslike you know I'm berating you guys for making fun of sly's appearance cuz like the whole movie I was looking at him too going what the and his his eyebrows
1:05:061 hour, 5 minutes, 6 secondsthey're so well they're painted painted on looks surprised all the time because they're so high and again that's the
1:05:131 hour, 5 minutes, 13 secondsfrustrating thing is he's had two opportunities at least to Pivot in his career and he didn't in his later career
1:05:211 hour, 5 minutes, 21 secondslet's say no three starting with Copland Copland bboa and then Creed I guess he just likes making these kinds of movies
1:05:301 hour, 5 minutes, 30 secondsbut why yeah why does he like it you know we still have to do Escape Plan two and three this is going to be
1:05:381 hour, 5 minutes, 38 secondsthis is going to be rough CU apparently Escape Plan 2 according to IMDb its rating is about the same as this so fans and critics
1:05:461 hour, 5 minutes, 46 secondsgave it about the same fresh rating well F said Escape Plan 2 Hades is or the extractors I don't remember which I think it's Hades Hades
1:05:541 hour, 5 minutes, 54 secondsis number two is he said that's the worst movie he's ever made did he watch back
1:06:011 hour, 6 minutes, 1 secondTrace I've also heard that he's barely in Hades as well like sure we have to figure out how to do these if we're
1:06:091 hour, 6 minutes, 9 secondsgonna do everything that sly's ever been in and he has bit Parts in some of these films we have to figure out how we're going to cover because it's a s podcast
1:06:171 hour, 6 minutes, 17 secondsnot a Matthew Modine podcast or David Bautista podcast it's a metal Williams podcast a Sho McGavin podcast
1:06:261 hour, 6 minutes, 26 secondswell I I I hear you but part of me's kind of like it's just fun to talk I don't care people can listen poster for this one I mean if it's implied that
1:06:341 hour, 6 minutes, 34 secondshe's the star of the movie I think it's fair you know I don't think we need to sit down and do like a full review of Taxi 3 or whatever that French movie he
1:06:431 hour, 6 minutes, 43 secondshad a cameo in it's on YouTube as well his Cameo scene it literally is three minutes yeah French movie yeah it's not
1:06:511 hour, 6 minutes, 51 secondsthe Queen Latifa Jimmy Fallon movie so so so let's just say yes s character comes he saves the day shoots
1:06:591 hour, 6 minutes, 59 secondsall the bad guys he gets every bad I think minus maybe one or two but he kills all the bad guys and he had way more shots fired than probably bullets
1:07:081 hour, 7 minutes, 8 secondshe was carrying you think he unloaded multiple times uh yeah it was a rounds go quick
1:07:161 hour, 7 minutes, 16 secondswhen you're when you're rapid firing they go quickly and again this is the frustrating thing about having a Sylvester Stallone on your set Sylvester
1:07:241 hour, 7 minutes, 24 secondsStallone that doesn't care because the action in this movie it didn't matter there was no
1:07:311 hour, 7 minutes, 31 secondslogical layout to it you had no sense of proximity you know it was just guns
1:07:391 hour, 7 minutes, 39 secondsshooting for the sake of gun shooting and that's the frustrating thing about watching this movie is Stallone was there for whatever reason he didn't care
1:07:471 hour, 7 minutes, 47 secondsenough to say you know what maybe you put a camera there you put a camera there we do this kind of blocking and then boom in the editing room we've got
1:07:551 hour, 7 minutes, 55 secondsa great action sequence the one thing about the shooting scenes that I think were realistic was a lot of missed shots he wasn't he wasn't shooting a chain
1:08:031 hour, 8 minutes, 3 secondsholding up a sign in the dark from 30 yards away shout out to tangle and cash was no that was Sor don't tell
1:08:121 hour, 8 minutes, 12 secondsme yeah yeah that's right a lot of rounds fired a lot of shots missed I thought Tango Cash too but there's an
1:08:181 hour, 8 minutes, 18 secondsimpossible shot in that movie stop her my mom shoot stop her my mom shoot
1:08:271 hour, 8 minutes, 27 secondssucked I would rather watch that again I watch that movie again but I went downstairs and my wife was like hey
1:08:351 hour, 8 minutes, 35 secondslet's watch back trees get out pack your [ __ ] and leave I know this
1:08:431 hour, 8 minutes, 43 secondssounds cliche but can somebody shoot me in the heads off for get this film you want Amnesia and then how lazy
1:08:511 hour, 8 minutes, 51 secondsof an ending is this oh we're that's a killer okay so there's a before you get before you get to it let's just say what happen hold on I'll
1:08:591 hour, 8 minutes, 59 secondstake care of it I'll take care before you we get to it though no but that's what he says I'll take care just wait we got to set up for those who aren't watching this film so all the bad guys
1:09:071 hour, 9 minutes, 7 secondshave been killed the surviving all of this the whole time on the cell phone that's been sitting on the ground you say again last what' you say Stallone's
1:09:151 hour, 9 minutes, 15 secondsbeen hearing all of this while he's driving he's heard conversations right but I say he he arrives and he shoots
1:09:231 hour, 9 minutes, 23 secondsall the right so he shoots all the bad guys he knows that the FBI agent is corrupt he's now dead there's dead
1:09:311 hour, 9 minutes, 31 secondsbodies everywhere he's still a detective he's still a detective right you know he still has a paperwork to fill out or
1:09:371 hour, 9 minutes, 37 secondssomething and a seven-year open case seveny year open case he's got the Dead Brother the dead bad guys is the cop is
1:09:471 hour, 9 minutes, 47 secondshis partner dead yeah so this partner's dead well yeah he he comes face to face with Mac for the first time who's got
1:09:561 hour, 9 minutes, 56 secondshis wife one son and his other son died Sylvester Stallone tells him like just take the money and and go you you earned
1:10:051 hour, 10 minutes, 5 secondsit you paid your you paid your debt yeah and he and uh and Modine says what you know what about my my dead son I'll take
1:10:131 hour, 10 minutes, 13 secondscare of
1:10:141 hour, 10 minutes, 14 seconds[Music]
1:10:161 hour, 10 minutes, 16 secondsit there you go it's all yours I heard the whole thing
1:10:261 hour, 10 minutes, 26 seconds7 years you served good enough we call that time
1:10:321 hour, 10 minutes, 32 secondsserved this money cost me my son's life sorry about
1:10:391 hour, 10 minutes, 39 secondsthat but I'm sure it'll get you where you want to
1:10:421 hour, 10 minutes, 42 seconds[Music]
1:10:441 hour, 10 minutes, 44 secondsgo where could I possibly go I wouldn't be spending the rest of my life looking over my
1:10:491 hour, 10 minutes, 49 seconds[Music]
1:10:501 hour, 10 minutes, 50 secondsshoulder I'll take care of it and my son
1:10:551 hour, 10 minutes, 55 seconds[Music]
1:10:571 hour, 10 minutes, 57 secondstake care of that too thank you
1:11:021 hour, 11 minutes, 2 seconds[Music]
1:11:031 hour, 11 minutes, 3 secondsdetective oh he he also said I don't want to I don't want to go the rest of my life looking over my shoulder I'll take care of it how the hell are you
1:11:111 hour, 11 minutes, 11 secondsgoing to take care of that we don't need to make any more movie I think right now if we were to come up with a better ending a better even dialogue I I'm sure we could I don't want to waste too much
1:11:191 hour, 11 minutes, 19 secondsof our time but it's kind of like like you could almost have it where Sly takes some of the money say you know give me 5 million I'll keep your mouth shut like it's a I'm going to give you $20 million
1:11:291 hour, 11 minutes, 29 secondsyou still committed a crime why is he off the hook completely he's not an innocent person he's got sevene case and a blood bath that he's got to explain
1:11:381 hour, 11 minutes, 38 secondsnow when the feds are going to show up right I mean there's dead federal agents yeah so detective syes what
1:11:451 hour, 11 minutes, 45 secondshappened here well I had a shootout they got away with the money my partner's dead that's her dead son all right call a medic I'm going home I took care of it
1:11:531 hour, 11 minutes, 53 secondslike I took care of it why did he feel this weird closeness to this poor victim Matthew
1:12:001 hour, 12 minutesModine cuz the movie was over that's I mean that's the only explanation that makes sense and they have that uh
1:12:071 hour, 12 minutes, 7 secondsarbitrary shot of him walking slowly to his car you know still I I I that that ending blew my
1:12:151 hour, 12 minutes, 15 secondsfrakin mind it was one of the worst endings I've ever it's probably well it's the worst any of any SLO film we have to make sure that this movie comes
1:12:221 hour, 12 minutes, 22 secondsin in under an hour and 30 minutes too close we'll just end it by you know saying I'll take care of it the end I would assume party Kitty and sus has
1:12:301 hour, 12 minutes, 30 secondsbetter Happy Endings than this one you should be ashame to yourself there there there probably should have been some recording feature on that cell phone
1:12:391 hour, 12 minutes, 39 secondsthat implicates Shooter McGavin Shooter McGavin doesn't die he gets arrested and during the all the the melee there
1:12:481 hour, 12 minutes, 48 secondsModine Slips Away with the money how does somebody mourn the the son's dead but his memory still fr
1:12:551 hour, 12 minutes, 55 secondslike how much it's just I'm sorry I'm sorry it is really just a stranger and there's a scene where he hugs his surviving son M and he doesn't even kiss
1:13:051 hour, 13 minutes, 5 secondshis wife or anything the first thing I would you know I guarantee you the first thing they're doing on that uh that $20 million they're going to buy a yacht and
1:13:121 hour, 13 minutes, 12 secondsmake some love on that yacht you know meta Williams is not a badl looking woman she's got a you know she's a good-looking woman for 52 was it permanent memory
1:13:211 hour, 13 minutes, 21 secondsrestoration good good point it didn't say it just said it restored 40% of their memory no it's not permanent cuz they said they had like a no it took 15
1:13:291 hour, 13 minutes, 29 secondsminutes to kick in okay um I I sure permanent does it really matter back
1:13:371 hour, 13 minutes, 37 secondsTrace what a pile of [ __ ] I remember when Doug said he's going to watch it today he's like I got to get through this I didn't want to say anything I'm
1:13:451 hour, 13 minutes, 45 secondslike I said once he starts it he's going to regret going through this thing it's a I'm Sor there's actually nothing good about this film there's no this is a one
1:13:541 hour, 13 minutes, 54 secondsout of 10 or whatever the lowest ranking and I don't do this to be funny to be glib to be clever Lords of Flatbush I'd
1:14:021 hour, 14 minutes, 2 secondsrather watch every other movie that we've ever done I'd rather watch yeah this solely existed to make to turn six
1:14:101 hour, 14 minutes, 10 secondsmillion into 8 million or whatever it was and there I mean there's no artistic effort behind it you know everybody knew
1:14:161 hour, 14 minutes, 16 secondsthat they were there to make a profit it was like investing in a stock it's all it is everybody that's Stone owns a
1:14:241 hour, 14 minutes, 24 secondsfavor to us cash in their favor at this point because we shouldn't have to subject ourselves to watching slly to
1:14:311 hour, 14 minutes, 31 secondsmeet himself like this let's talk a little bit before we close here I just I'm just curious what the behind the scenes disc like Sly you know I do love
1:14:391 hour, 14 minutes, 39 secondshim he's got a great sense of humor and I understand that he's not an idiot like you see him working on the director's cut of Rocky 4 I know you haven't seen it but the video footage that he's doing
1:14:471 hour, 14 minutes, 47 secondshe's smart about filming he's smart about what to you know I understand he knows the rocket like every like George Lucas knows Star Wars like that's his
1:14:551 hour, 14 minutes, 55 secondscreation right I get it but what's his jibber jabber with the crew off camera is he having fun with the director is is
1:15:021 hour, 15 minutes, 2 secondshe smiling is he goofing around is he like yeah this is fun guys like or is he like rolling his eyes profusely in this trailer like what am I doing this is
1:15:091 hour, 15 minutes, 9 secondsembarrassing on this movie yeah I'm sure on this movie he didn't say four words to people when the camera wasn't rolling you really think it was literally just
1:15:171 hour, 15 minutes, 17 secondsin and out did he talk shop with Modine or Christopher McDonald did he do you know what I mean by that like I think everybody's embarrassed right if you're
1:15:251 hour, 15 minutes, 25 secondsa shooter McGavin and you're on the set of this movie you're embarrassed to be there right I think any seasoned actor would feel that way almost don't talk
1:15:331 hour, 15 minutes, 33 secondsabout it because then it sort of puts a spotlight on how foolish everybody that's there that's a professionals being you're
1:15:421 hour, 15 minutes, 42 secondstaking Seasons established actors and you're having them work with people who bought their roles boss level level I've
1:15:501 hour, 15 minutes, 50 secondsyou know what I've never heard of that before I've never heard of that I didn't know that was a thing I didn't so this was like a Kickstart so
1:15:571 hour, 15 minutes, 57 secondsthey paid to be in the movie So Meta Williams bless her heart she paid for us to talk about her after stealing the money from somebody when at least that's
1:16:061 hour, 16 minutes, 6 secondswhat did she steal $800 million she gold dug apparent according to this that's
1:16:141 hour, 16 minutes, 14 secondsamazing I kind of wish I Googled more about her because that is I'm glad I didn't because that was like one of the highlights of the episode for me was
1:16:211 hour, 16 minutes, 21 secondslearning that well your brother kind of spelled it out too on Ruben in the chat why don't you give love to the uh to Sir
1:16:291 hour, 16 minutes, 29 secondsRobert he he uh checked lot thank you Robert Robert thanks for joining us Gerald Kessler's wife meta Williams wins legal victory in battle over $800
1:16:371 hour, 16 minutes, 37 secondsmillion Fortune she's worth 800 million can you imagine more than Sly more than Sylvester Stallone can you imagine
1:16:441 hour, 16 minutes, 44 secondsweaseling your way into $800 million and being like I want a co-star in shitty movies what's it goingon to cost me yeah
1:16:521 hour, 16 minutes, 52 secondswhy not just disappear this is incredible check this out guys meal Williams 49 so this was three years before the film was
1:17:011 hour, 17 minutes, 1 secondmade was left 800 Million by vitamin Tycoon husband Gerald Kessler after his death last March so March of 2019 judge
1:17:101 hour, 17 minutes, 10 secondshas now thrown out his family's attempt to overturn his final wishes after they claimed Williams manipulated him into
1:17:161 hour, 17 minutes, 16 secondschanging his will she got 800 million she's a bored multi multimillionaire so
1:17:241 hour, 17 minutes, 24 secondsI have $800 million to burn I want to be in the movie so she pays to play she just says here's a $100,000 to help
1:17:321 hour, 17 minutes, 32 secondsFinance your movie and put me in the bit part do you think it's a tax write off type thing as well can she write off the loss spending whatever she spent to be
1:17:401 hour, 17 minutes, 40 secondsin this movie like can her account and be like it's a business expense I have no idea maybe it's like a tax Haven or something this is more like a gift to to
1:17:481 hour, 17 minutes, 48 secondsa charity yeah she's worth more than Sly that's hilarious almost
1:17:561 hour, 17 minutes, 56 secondsdouble it just goes to show you what blonde hair and boobs will do they marry that rich Tycoon he dies and they get the money it it's happened so much in
1:18:041 hour, 18 minutes, 4 secondsthis world can you imagine that poor family sure yeah yeah course for that piece of the pie they got about $60
1:18:111 hour, 18 minutes, 11 secondsmillion it says it's a lot less than 800 million yeah I mean I could live on $60 million but all right well that was for
1:18:201 hour, 18 minutes, 20 secondsthe whole family right they had to split it yes for the older kids so who knows awful well who knows maybe his kids were pieces of garbage
1:18:281 hour, 18 minutes, 28 secondstoo yeah who knows so anyways there you go guys that is back Trace we've spent about an hour and a half on it is we talked about Rocky 4 which was probably
1:18:361 hour, 18 minutes, 36 secondsthe highlight of this podcast so if you made through this whole podcast thank you sir Rob and others who were in the chat there was a few of you yeah Miguel
1:18:451 hour, 18 minutes, 45 secondschimed in and there was a few of you that were listening Ruben my brother Ruben came in yeah I had no idea he was going to pop in that was a nice uh virtual chat for those who listen to the
1:18:531 hour, 18 minutes, 53 secondsshow and no Ruben my uh co-host on the Going the Distance podcast we miss Ruben we love and miss him but I don't think he's ever coming back I don't think he's
1:19:011 hour, 19 minutes, 1 secondever coming back the show the invitation is open everyone knows that if Ruben decides to come back the other co-host get curbed later no not quite like that
1:19:111 hour, 19 minutes, 11 secondsI think at the very least he'd be like he' come on it every now and then but they join in the in the junk keep let's just do final plugs here of
1:19:191 hour, 19 minutes, 19 secondsyour shows and feeds and all right well actually uh we've talked about Sly cast and since you mentioned did during the uh the episode Ryan I would like to plug
1:19:281 hour, 19 minutes, 28 secondsmy monthly podcast the first Friday of every month I put out a brand new episode of conversations at Jack Rabbit
1:19:341 hour, 19 minutes, 34 secondsSlims which is a podcast devoted exclusively to the movie Pulp Fiction every episode I sit down with another
1:19:421 hour, 19 minutes, 42 secondsfan of that movie and we talk for about 25 or 30 minutes about whatever we end up talking about so it's not a breakdown
1:19:501 hour, 19 minutes, 50 secondsof the movie it's not an analysis of the movie it it is what it is is sort of like this show yeah and I've been having
1:19:581 hour, 19 minutes, 58 secondsbre movies I don't know what we talk about I don't know why do we ever I think we do a really terrible job every time we do this show I feel like it's a
1:20:051 hour, 20 minutes, 5 secondsterrible I feel like I listen to other movie review podcast like man they know how to do that why I don't know but people seem to still listen but it's
1:20:121 hour, 20 minutes, 12 secondsjust people have a lot of shows have a format you know like the best and worst um of the movie and we just kind of just
1:20:211 hour, 20 minutes, 21 secondsrip right through and but to be fair guys the reviews we do get often say this that it's about a it feels like they're with a bunch of guys talking
1:20:291 hour, 20 minutes, 29 secondsabout a movie like sitting around having some beers that it's not it's a discussion we don't have yeah but anyways uh but I just hope our listeners
1:20:361 hour, 20 minutes, 36 secondsjust know we love uh talking about the movie but yeah we're not if you want to know everything about the movie go to Wikipedia you know we're just saying how we feel about it yeah so again I I look
1:20:451 hour, 20 minutes, 45 secondsforward to sitting down with you Ryan and you Doug individually for the show and and you you both have open invitations but it's conversations at Jack Rabbit Slims first Friday of every
1:20:541 hour, 20 minutes, 54 secondsmonth if you just Google conversations at Jack Rabbit Slims you'll find it if you search it in your pod whatever your favorite pod catcher is or if you check
1:21:031 hour, 21 minutes, 3 secondsout my um my Twitter at Mr Craig Cohen you can find the link there as well and I enjoy the show oh thank you had a lot
1:21:111 hour, 21 minutes, 11 secondsof fun doing it it's it's a show I've wanted to do for a long time and the pandemic has made it possible I've done a lot during this pandemic I compiled
1:21:191 hour, 21 minutes, 19 secondsand edited and released a two-hour Ramon's fan film umow where it's like a video scrapbook uh which is a ton of fun
1:21:271 hour, 21 minutes, 27 secondsthat's on my my Vimeo page if you go to my Twitter um I have a um a link page that links to everything I talk about I
1:21:351 hour, 21 minutes, 35 secondsstarted the Pulp Fiction podcast which is something I wanted to do in July I wrote and recorded an instrumental concept album so uh being out of work it
1:21:441 hour, 21 minutes, 44 secondsgives you a lot of time to do all the [ __ ] you've wanted to do so we get I have no idea when I'm going back to work
1:21:511 hour, 21 minutes, 51 secondsso all right and I look forward to going on that show actually I do have stuff to say about PA fiction I'll save for the show whenever whenever you want Ryan I'm
1:21:591 hour, 21 minutes, 59 secondsI'm not doing anything now Roger that yeah likewise I want to I want to get it fresh in the in the mind I haven't seen it in in a few years so I want to watch
1:22:071 hour, 22 minutes, 7 secondsit well I have two episodes in the bank right now so I have October in November okay so okay I'll try get on for
1:22:141 hour, 22 minutes, 14 secondsDecember then Doug I'm one of the hosts of Rocky minute as I said before we go through each of the Rocky movies and uh analyze one minute of movie film at a
1:22:231 hour, 22 minutes, 23 secondstime we're spamming the uh the feed as we speak with our past episodes we want to catch up and maybe get a few new
1:22:311 hour, 22 minutes, 31 secondslisteners since we joined the network I think you are you must be people are they're being downloaded so I don't know someone's listening that hasn't heard it
1:22:391 hour, 22 minutes, 39 secondsbefore I know people are listening that haven't heard it before I know that for a fact all right well that's excellent that's all I can ask for it's been like two weeks since I since I put a block up
1:22:491 hour, 22 minutes, 49 secondsbecause all my files disappeared into the cloud somewhere and I just I had to I don't know I spent the last couple of
1:22:551 hour, 22 minutes, 55 secondsdays grabbing them back and uh okay and bringing them down onto into my desktop so I got to get back to releasing but um
1:23:031 hour, 23 minutes, 3 secondsyeah you can find us right right here with the uh with these Two Fellas and and this collaboration we got going on at the Sylvester Salone fan podcast
1:23:101 hour, 23 minutes, 10 secondsNetwork all right and uh my feed the Going the Distance the rocky series and Creed podcast is also on that same feed at Great Heaven on with all you guys
1:23:191 hour, 23 minutes, 19 secondsCraig I want you to come on the worst of the best podcast that's my other podcast check out Doug who's already guested on my worst of the best podcast both episodes will already be out when this
1:23:281 hour, 23 minutes, 28 secondsgets released we broke down Anthrax so there you go I was really surprised at the feedback that you've gotten on that
1:23:351 hour, 23 minutes, 35 secondsso far that's been great yeah yeah people seem to like that one yeah it's good yeah well Doug you did all the work
1:23:431 hour, 23 minutes, 43 secondsno I didn't you kidding me all right well thanks guys thanks everyone for watching and chatting and we'll do this again next month who knows what dumpster
1:23:511 hour, 23 minutes, 51 secondsfire that will be but the we are fans of Stow this is a this is a but this was a bit of a dumpster fire and we treated it
1:23:591 hour, 23 minutes, 59 secondsaccordingly so yeah we got to be honest yeah and all right guys we'll talk to you soon byebye later
1:24:241 hour, 24 minutes, 24 secondsoh