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No one has it all figured out. And anyone who says they do? Well, they’re lying.
This is for the women who are trying. Trying to juggle all the things. Trying to make sense of what they actually want. Trying to keep their heads above water without losing themselves in the process.
Career. Money. Relationships. The pressure to do it all. The pressure to want it all. And the moments you secretly wonder, is it just me?
Here we speak openly, laugh through chaos, and ask questions instead of pretending to have all the answers.
Because we’re all a work in progress.
Leslie Bailey (00:00):
And I also have a list of all the things that I recommend subtracting from life. I think it works because in theory, I should be devastated by this debt and the situation I'm in currently in cancer and all of this stuff. And I have the space to remain positive and feel like I can tackle this because I'm not buried by life.
Gayle Kalvert (00:22):
This is Work in Progress. I'm your host, Gayle Kalvert, and yes, I'm a work in progress. Ever feel like you're constantly juggling everything, work, family, personal goals, and wonder if there's ever a way to do less but still achieve more? You're not alone, and today's episode is for you. I'm joined by Leslie Bailey, an entrepreneur, wife, and mom who's learned the hard way that doing it all doesn't always lead to the success that we've hoped for. In fact, Leslie recently faced a huge setback when a business venture didn't go as planned and her husband's cancer diagnosis added even more to her plate. But through it all, Leslie found a powerful shift, which she calls soft business, and now she's helping others learn how subtracting not adding might be the key to finding more balance and abundance in life. In this conversation, we're going to talk about Leslie's real life tips for cutting the mental and physical clutter. I know I can't wait for that. This is an honest, practical conversation and it will leave you with some tools that you can start using today. So let's dive in. Leslie, thank you for being here.
Leslie Bailey (01:33):
Thank you for having me.
Gayle Kalvert (01:34):
As we already covered, you have more than enough going on, so we appreciate the time and like I said, I am really excited to hear from you again. We've talked a little about this, but to get into a little more detail about how exactly can we start doing less, but before we do that, you've been an entrepreneur for a long time, so can you talk a little bit about your journey and especially early on, what motivated you to go out on your own?
Leslie Bailey (02:00):
Yeah. Both of my parents were entrepreneurs. So in hindsight, looking back, I had these role models who were showing me what that looked like, but I didn't actively seek entrepreneurship. I think I just knew I've always been very independent and I have worked for other people and I've had some great jobs that I really enjoyed, but when it came to my career, I wanted to be in the driver's seat and I think you can be in the driver's seat of your career and work for other people, but for me, I wanted the type of flexibility and autonomy that I think entrepreneurship offers. So I did not necessarily go into it with intention. I feel like I sort of fell into it the way many entrepreneurs do. But it all started with journalism. That's my background. I didn't go to college for that. I was a communications major, but I started writing in my early twenties, which led to a career in journalism, which ultimately kind of what snowballed into what I'm doing today, which is still in the vein and realm of communications and journalism, but it's become so much more.
Gayle Kalvert (03:08):
For anyone listening who's thinking about being an entrepreneur, especially like you said early on out of school, how did you stay motivated?
Leslie Bailey (03:16):
It was actually harder for me to stay motivated when I was working for other people. It was a lot easier to stay motivated when I was working for myself because had no one else to answer to, but I also had no one else to blame. So if you're not seeing the results that you want, I think that just having that internal drive of wanting your business to succeed is really what kept me motivated. But I certainly wasn't been motivated. I mean, I just like anybody else have those days where I wake up and they're few and far between, but I still have the days where I wake up and I don't want to work. But the cool thing is I don't have to work those days. I really have allowed myself to work in a very intuitive, organic way where on the days that I am not feeling it, I don't try and force it. So that's me. I think that's my body and our body saying, Nope, today we kind of need a break. That's not what we need and hopefully we can double down tomorrow and make up for the lost time or not. We figure it out. But realizing the more I took those days off and realized the world wasn't going to fall apart, my business wasn't going to fall apart, the better and more successful I think I am because I'm having those breaks that so many of us do not make time for.
Gayle Kalvert (04:35):
Did you learn that from others? Was that something that came to you innately over time? I worked in corporate for almost 20 years before I went out on my own. So for me as an entrepreneur, I had to unlearn those habits of you have to work every single day all the time, be accountable to your managers, et cetera, and realized, oh wait, no, I actually can have control over my own schedule. Were you like that in your twenties or?
Leslie Bailey (05:03):
Unfortunately I grew up with one or both of my parents having cancer pretty much my whole life from kindergarten to graduating high school. My dad had prostate cancer, then my mom had lung cancer and then she had brain cancer. So I had these parents who were entrepreneurs as models, but they also modeled for me what was important. I think my brother and I both learned very early on, they're so much more to life and how that precious, I think so many of us don't realize it until we're in our forties and I was raised witnessing my mom and my dad saying, you don't know what tomorrow's going to bring. Nothing's guaranteed. You have to live all these cliches of living life to the fullest. But I got to see it and I knew it was very true because I saw a priest visit my mom in the hospital with a stage four cancer diagnosis and being prepared for her to die. Fortunately, she lived five more years, but I got to see this example of someone who almost had everything taken away literally and then was sort of given that second chance. So I think I was raised in a unique situation that my mom's favorite book, I remember it was the nineties, was like, don't sweat the small stuff. And that was always the message to me.
Gayle Kalvert (06:17):
So one of the things I hear a lot is, well, I'm concerned if I go out on my own, I'll lose my healthcare or that safety net of that reliable paycheck. And here you are sharing what your parents and you and your brother experienced with severe illnesses and obviously took them away from work.
Leslie Bailey (06:39):
I think it was fortunate at that time my dad had already been successful in his career and so he had laid that groundwork from a financial standpoint. It wasn't super jarring from my family. My dad was the breadwinner, and so my mom's income was supplemental also in a similar model. I was married by the time all I decided to start my businesses. I had freelanced before that and really had been an entrepreneur before that. But when I really went out on my own, I had a partner, so I wasn't trying to figure out how to pay bills and support kids all on my own. There's a whole nother human involved here from not only just the financial standpoint and healthcare. Once I was off my parents' insurance, then it was on my own for a while and then we got married and so I was able to get his, so now we do actually, he's an entrepreneur now as well, working as a fractional CMO.
Leslie Bailey (07:31):
So we are paying our own insurance out of pocket and that part is not fun, but you just kind of have to redesign your life and there are things that we give up in exchange to be able to have freedom in so many other ways. We both currently work four days a week, so there is a lot of flexibility and we can drop our kids off and pick them up. And you probably see going around on the internet right now, there's a lot of this that's wealth, being able to pick your kids up at three o'clock on a Tuesday. So the lifestyle that we're looking to achieve, you have to restructure it. It can't be structured in the traditional way I think of what people are used to in a corporate role.
Gayle Kalvert (08:08):
100% I find the same. You have to prioritize some things, deprioritize others. And that brings us right to what we were going to talk about is subtracting. Now I'm understanding, I'm sure our listeners are understanding too a little bit of why that is. I don't want to say coming naturally to you, but so much of what you shared, I understand now why you're so passionate about let's subtract instead of thinking, we always need to add something. So how did that all come to fruition- for you?
Leslie Bailey (08:39):
It feels cheesy to say, but was learning about the Enneagram, Jen Lisa Golding, who also I work with professionally and she helps us with marketing and she taught me about the Enneagram and as I went through coaching with her, so I'm a seven, so that means basically my kind of unhealthy behavior when I'm not in the best place gluttony, right? I want all the food, all the alcohol, all the shopping more give me everything. I want to have a great time and I don't want anyone to stand in my way. But those things also tend to not be the best for us in excess. And so over the years learning my unhealthy behaviors, if I in the past got really stressed, I would turn everything off, all responsibilities went out the window. Oh, something big tomorrow, cool, I'm going to go stay up till two in the morning and probably drink and then eat crappy food and not prepare the way that I should.
Leslie Bailey (09:36):
And who is that serving? Part of it was learning that that excess is not always better, but that's like a discipline. It is a practice for me and it's not like I don't let myself do nice things or have nice things, but can I achieve what I'm trying to achieve in a healthy way? And I personally find that the art and practice of trying to subtract before we add it doesn't mean we can never add anything. It just means for me, the clearing of the decks first and foremost, let's start with a clean slate. Let's clear the clutter because you can see what you have to work with then. When we don't know what's in our pantry, we end up going and buying four things of tomato paste because we didn't see that there were four behind there. And so now we have eight things of tomato paste. We've all done it and it's expired, and now we don't know what's there. But if we clean out our pantry regularly, we know what's in there. We're not wasting money, we're not wasting time. We can see what we have. And suddenly for me, the way my brain works, the world is a much clearer, easier place.
Gayle Kalvert (10:45):
Can you give us an example of when you did that? Maybe it was with this business venture that didn't go exactly as you planned. Can you talk about it a little to make it real?
Leslie Bailey (10:54):
When I started Indy Maven, which is my newsletter, community media platform, was October, 2019. A couple of years later, that evolved into a coworking space, which was called Maven Space, which is what you're referring to. And I just closed in the spring. So I'm running two businesses and in between there I have two kids plus a 15-year-old stepson. So I started a business, had a baby, started a business, had a baby, or maybe there were two babies and then the business. But either way, I have two kids under seven and two businesses at the time, and it was so much, but I was in it, I was excited. We were planning on moving our coworking space to a different location here in Indy and I was pumped. I was so excited. Lease had been signed and it became very apparent it was around February of this year of 2025.
Leslie Bailey (11:43):
Like this isn't going the way that I was told that it was going to go by the landlord I was working with and I had to make some really tough decisions. Do I double down and try and make this thing work even though it's going to cost me far more money than I've already spent, which was a lot, or do I call it quits? And I had actually a book that was really helpful. It's called Quit, I think it's called The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away by Annie Duke, the poker player. And that book I had been reading before this decision even arose. I read it last year, but it really helped me make an informed decision that did I want to kind of throw good money after bad at this point, or was I willing to make the tough decision and in my mind avoid failure by walking away before I got into a 10 year commitment that was not the right bit.
Leslie Bailey (12:42):
And so I closed it. I could have gone and looked for a different location, but really at that point I couldn't because I had already spent the money on that very specific location. We were doing a build out. You can't just take the stuff, you can't take the renderings that you have for one place, the money you've spent on attorneys with that one lease, you can't just pick it up and move it to a different location. So either way, I was going to be just spending a ton more money that I wasn't prepared to do and not to mention the stress that was going to go into it. And so I made the decision to terminate the lease and right after found out that my husband had been diagnosed with prostate cancer. And I just think the timing of that was so serendipitous in the way that I suddenly had, I mean, it took a lot to undo.
Leslie Bailey (13:37):
I'm still undoing it. It takes a lot to close a business as much as it takes an open one, it takes you don't just turn a button and walk away. There's a lot of things to untangle, undo, cancel, you're in contracts, commitments. It's been a lot. But I had more space than I would have had if that we were going to proceed in opening. And so I was able to be there for my family, help care for my husband, help him as he navigated this really tough thing. So at the end of the day, we're still in a bunch of debt directly related to that situation, and it's crippling some days, but if we want to look for a silver lining in it, I took something away that was not serving me or my family first and foremost. I loved that it served our community and that part makes me really sad and the debt makes me sad, but I still feel like the timing was right and it was the right thing to do.
Gayle Kalvert (14:36):
There's so many things I want to follow up on that one is debt, and I know how crippling that is from personal experience, and I'm sure many listening also do. I think it's good to talk about because people don't want to admit it. There's so much shame around it, but debt makes everything in your life feel worse. So is there anything that you've learned or it's just very interesting that you've decided you knew you were going to cancel this commitment and that it would incur debt. And so how do you manage that stress wise? Are there things that help you?
Leslie Bailey (15:20):
I had to spend a lot of time looking at our finances. What could we cancel? And I still have this other business, so how do we work with what we have? So where do we take away expenses? That's the first thing. Anybody who's looking to save money or in a situation like this, you review, do we need that Netflix subscription, et cetera, et cetera. Poor Netflix always gets picked on, but any subscriptions and we're all signed up for 12 of them or whatever. So kind of going through what can we take away, what can I make money off of with what we have? How do I build my other business that kind of got a little neglected? How do we build that back up and make that a source of revenue to then not only just sustain that business as its own, but then how do we grow that to now pay off this monthly loan that I have hovering?
Leslie Bailey (16:08):
And then too a lot of stuff recognizing my own worth. Okay, what have I been giving away for free? Cool, okay, well, we're going to stop doing that and now we charge for that. Okay. And so building up the consulting side, the speaking side, things that I've always enjoyed doing, but never really, and maybe wrongfully was charging for or not enough. So getting paid what we're worth is important and it becomes really important when you have debt over your head. You have to say no to a lot of things too. I have to say no to a lot of unpaid requests at this point because of the situation I'm in.
Gayle Kalvert (16:45):
And there are a lot of us that fall into this trap, especially women. It always comes to mind for me with networking because we want to connect and there is a lot of benefit to connecting with other people in the business world. But then when does that conversation become something perhaps that you should be charging and is more consulting than networking? Do you find that in your experience?
Leslie Bailey (17:08):
Yes. And it can be tricky to know what is the intent of this call when you get on a call with someone. And sometimes it requires asking, I don't want to say uncomfortable questions, but I have to be really clear and what were our goals? So when you set up that initial coffee meeting or phone call, not just, Hey, let's do it. Can we get together? Yeah, I'd love to get together. Is there something you want to talk about? What's your agenda kind of thing. And if it is truly a, I just want to get to know you, great, then let's do it. And I think on the recipient side or the other side is being upfront in what you want. I would much rather someone say, this is something I want from you. What does that look like? Or what are the ways I can get that versus cloaking it in something else? I think all of us just being transparent in those, can I pick your brain conversations? You just want a new friendship and there's nothing wrong with any of them. It's communication upfront to just be fairly clear on what are the goals for the connection.
Gayle Kalvert (18:06):
Well and how do you turn the conversation into something that is potentially a business opportunity for you as a consultant? Sometimes the person doesn't know this is actually something that I would need to charge for.
Leslie Bailey (18:18):
And that's kind of what you have to say is here's what I can say, but if you want to do a deeper dive, that's something that I offer and here's what that looks like. So there's always happy to give away a few things for free or a recommendation or if an introduction if I can make it. But after that, again, I'm practice skill. The more you do it, I am totally comfortable saying that now.
Gayle Kalvert (18:41):
It's finding those words that do feel comfortable to you and realizing that you're not asking for money, you're providing a service for someone or a company that needs it, and generally people want to pay you. You're worth. That is a natural thing. It's just being comfortable having that kind of conversation.
Leslie Bailey (18:59):
And I think having a coworking space, a physical space taught me that the way that when people did approach for asking things that they wanted free, I felt, well, you don't go to the gym or a country club or anywhere else that you have a membership model and say, can I have this thing free? It's just not a thing we do. We know that costs money. It's also hard when you have something that is new or new in your market at least that people don't necessarily understand the concept or how that business model works. That a lot of our jobs and as entrepreneurs often this is the case. A lot of your job is education before then, and sometimes you don't have to explain why it costs money. Sometimes it becomes very obvious once you kind of explain, well, this is how our business model works. Oh, well then that makes sense why you have to charge for it. You don't go to work for free. No one should, right? Unless that's been outlined in the beginning and there's some sort of agreement that's the case, but generally speaking, so that taught me the flip side. I don't get uncomfortable. I am actually really confident in it. If you wouldn't ask for your utility company to give you free electricity, why are you going to ask me?
Gayle Kalvert (20:13):
It's a good skill to practice, even if you're doing it in the mirror at home, whatever that is with a friend. Just start to literally practice having those kinds of conversations so that you can feel confident. That's really awesome.
Leslie Bailey (20:25):
And having these conversations too, because through talking with friends and colleagues and peers in conversations like this, I've picked up turns of phrase and different ways to approach it, but it is important that especially as women, I'm really passionate that we talk about money and not the highlight reel stuff, the flip side of it, because of course all the starting a business looks so sexy and we'll have a pretty brand and people will come to our events. And then there's the not so sexy side, which is this not just as, it's more important because it's the stuff a business is made of.
Gayle Kalvert (21:02):
So something tells me you might have ideas too on how to say no to things. So we're talking about how do we do less? We can all take stock of what's on our plate, like you said, and what can we take off of it? But what about when people ask you to do things? How do you do less when you've been asked by the PTA or your kids or your friends?
Leslie Bailey (21:25):
Well, there's the whole no is a complete sentence, but let's be honest, we're not going to reply with a request with just an no period and hit send. That's typically not the case. I'm not going to work yet.
Leslie Bailey (21:38):
I love the concept. In theory, the theory is great. And of course there are situations where no is absolutely a complete sentence and there is no need for anything to follow. I mean, I keep a script that I can kind of copy and paste and it's in my notes in my phone, and then I can edit it as appropriate for the situation. But that's been years of that script sort of evolving. And then of course, once you get more comfortable, and it depends on the size of the ask, kind of light easy things. It's like, Hey, you know what? I just don't have the capacity right now. Thanks for thinking of me. Let me know if there's an opportunity in the future be it that rolls off my tongue now and I don't have to think about it. If there's something that is a heavier ask or I want to put more thought into that, that's when I kind of copy and paste that script and then tailor it to the situation.
Leslie Bailey (22:26):
But I recently just had to turn down a speaking engagement because unfortunately they had had their funding pulled, so they did not have a budget for honorarium for speaking. And I had to say no, because at the end of the day, it's not about not even working for free. It would've cost me money because my husband not being available for our kids. I would've had to have gotten childcare. And the response was wonderful and lovely, and we respect that boundary and this is why we love you and we hope to get money in the future so that you can join us. And hopefully I'm also in the future in a position where that's less important. But this is a season right now where it is important.
Gayle Kalvert (23:03):
So do you ever lose track and start adding by accident? What are some ways that you consciously maybe check in or deprioritize?
Leslie Bailey (23:13):
And this could just be a personality trait, but I find purging and subtracting and getting rid of things, whether that's digital clutter or in my house or social obligations, I think it's really addicting. I'm one of those people that once it kicks in, or if I'm in a mood that I'm like, what else can I get rid of? What can I take off my plate? What does it need to be here? There's a book called Subtract. I started this journey a while ago, but I only recently had read this book. And essentially this professor does a study where he has two towers of Legos and he puts them in front of the participants, and then there's a bucket of Lego bricks right there, and the towers are two different heights. And he says, okay, make these the same height. 95% of people will add a brick, but in reality, if they would just look at it, all they had to do is just take one away.
Leslie Bailey (24:08):
But instead they'll add a bunch. And if you look at it, just take the one away and they'll be the same height. And so there are occasions where you do need to add, but I think that's where I go back to where can we take away first is that the path of least resistance for the parents or anyone who's a caretaker, a playroom, your kid's room is full of clutter, right? There is always going to be more, there's always going to be more birthday parties and stuff coming home from school and goodie bags and little plastic things that somehow multiply gremlins. So for me, the regular, okay, what can we get rid of? What can we get rid of? That pile typically doesn't grow. It's still bigger than I would like, but it stays the same because I'm constantly, as things are coming in, I'm getting them out.
Leslie Bailey (24:53):
A lot of people do a one in one out rule. I'm not that hardcore, but for me it's a fun thing I think. And then knowing it's ongoing, there's no end to it. And then sometimes I do the same thing. I love thrifting right now. I'll go to Goodwill and I'll find all this stuff, and now I've accumulated and it's like, okay, that's fine, but is there anything I need to get rid of? And maybe that's not the case right now, and maybe it'll go out in the next truckload out of my house in a month from now.
Gayle Kalvert (25:23):
I have gone into my kids' room and taken everything that is crap and put it in a box and see if they notice and they don't. And then I throw it out. Quick question for you. I don't know what you do for consulting. What kind of consulting do you do? I can ask about it.
Leslie Bailey (25:38):
So I focus on visibility for brands. That's kind of my main sweet spot. So how do we get people to know about your brand? So if your business is already in existence, and maybe you're two years in like, okay, the newness, I got all this attention when I first launched and now it's crickets and I need to get back out there. So that could look like pr, it could be marketing. Then on the flip side, I love also in the kind of early stage pre-launch phase, let's really examine, do we want this to be a business? We think we do, and what do we want that to look like? So let's talk through having now started and closed businesses, what do we need to be thinking about now before we launch? And then how do we make sure that when we are ready to put this baby out into the world, that everybody knows about it and is there to tell us how cute it is.
Gayle Kalvert (26:37):
One of the things this conversation makes me think of is you're listening and you're thinking, I really start my own business now. I do feel like I've gotten some good tips. I need to subtract things so I can be focused on really starting my business and focusing the time and energy I need to on it. Is there anything, Leslie, either in your own experience or your client's experience that you would share with people in that position to help them start out successfully? One of my tips, for instance is start out small and prove the theory before you maybe expand. I know it's off the top of your head, but what are you seeing out there?
Leslie Bailey (27:18):
Well, I mean, I go probably back even further and say, if this is something you enjoy, does it even need to be a business? Is this something that can just be a hobby? I think we are in this culture of everything has to become a business and everything has to make money. So number one, could it just be a hobby? Can it just stay or can it stay small and just something you do on the side? Does it need to turn into this business? And then if so, what do you want it to look like? Are you looking to scale? Really thinking through the future? What do I want this to look like in 10 years? Because it's so easy to be caught up in the moment of, I have a great idea, I'm just going to go do it. Not ask the right questions to your point.
Leslie Bailey (27:58):
But if you do get to the point where it's like, Nope, I'm positive, yes, this is something I want to do. For me, it's truly starting on those basic attorney accountant kind of insurance. You can do a brand in Canva and then go hire a designer later. I love designers. Listen, I've spent a lot of money on graphic designers and marketing and things over the years, and those are all important. I'm married to a marketer, they all play a role. I do marketing. Yes, I am here for it. However, I wish I would've spent early on more time finding a really good accountant and a really good bookkeeper and a really solid attorney. I would've saved myself so many more important headaches down the road. Again, it's the unsexy stuff.
Gayle Kalvert (28:42):
That's really good advice. I like to outsource the unsexy stuff. So let's get into some fun stuff. What do you outsource at home? Do you outsource any? You must. What do you outsource at home?
Leslie Bailey (28:56):
Yes. So we have someone who comes and cleans every other week. We do not have a lawnmower anymore, like an actual physical lawnmower. So we have someone who cuts our grass. And I think right now, those are the only two things that we currently outsource in our house that has changed and ebbed and flow over the years based on when kids were little. There have been nannies, there has been laundry service from time to time. I was so bougie. I had one of those garbage can cleaning companies come quarterly to sanitize my entire garbage cans, which I recently canceled and now I miss because my garbage can't stink again.
Gayle Kalvert (29:34):
Okay, I've never heard of this, but it sounds amazing.
Leslie Bailey (29:37):
It's actually really great. They're called Bread and Scrub. I love them. I had to cut back for expense purposes and I was like, oh, that's a thing I don't need. We're in a season right now again where I have space to kind of handle things myself, but that changes. It ebbs and flows, but I love an outsource.
Gayle Kalvert (29:56):
Me too. Me too. Okay. What's an app that is making you happy? This is not about lessening your workload. This is like what's your favorite app right now?
Leslie Bailey (30:06):
The summer Reading Bean Stack. It's the app that at least here in Indianapolis is what you do the summer reading program for the library for kids. But I recently discovered through a parents' group that I'm in that they also have an adult summer challenge. And last year one of the prizes was a night at a boutique hotel in town. And so I have signed up my kids and myself for summer reading and I'm into it, right, because a challenge. And I'm like, yeah, absolutely. If you gamify anything for me, I am in. So that's my favorite app right now. Taking off summer reading.
Gayle Kalvert (30:39):
Are you coffee or tea?
Leslie Bailey (30:41):
Coffee, but only one cup.
Gayle Kalvert (30:44):
Only one cup?
Leslie Bailey (30:45):
Yep. And then tea later.
Gayle Kalvert (30:47):
Okay. I'm the same actually. I only have one cup of coffee and then if I want more hot, I go to tea. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. My last fun question is what's your favorite hype song? Get excited. You need to be happy.
Leslie Bailey (31:05):
Here's what I do have. I have a karaoke list. Do you want to know my karaoke song? Can I replace that answer? I keep a karaoke list yet. I don't actually ever do karaoke, but I have this list. So it's what's going on for non blondes. That's not my, that is apparently the karaoke song I would sing should that day come.
Gayle Kalvert (31:29):
But you don't actually karaoke.
Leslie Bailey (31:31):
I never karaoke, but I have a list of six songs in here, so.
Gayle Kalvert (31:34):
I love this. What are the other five songs? Come on.
Leslie Bailey (31:38):
There's a TLC song, No Scrubs is in there. Last Kiss by Pearl Jam. I don't know how these became karaoke songs. I wish I could tell you.
Gayle Kalvert (31:47):
This totally reminds me of something and one of those nights that you mentioned where you're up until two in the morning and you're having drinks and you're like, I must have a karaoke list.
Leslie Bailey (31:56):
Right? But yet, the question I do get asked is like a hype song and I never have. So you know what that's going to be. I love a list, obviously. Got lots of those in my phone, so get back to me next time we talk.
Gayle Kalvert (32:07):
We talk. Alright, Leslie, I want to know. Yeah, we're going to put it in the show notes. We're going to put it in the show notes. So I want to know what your favorite song is. I want you to have, you can have a karaoke list. I love it. Also another hype song list.
Leslie Bailey (32:18):
Yes. And I also have a list of all the things that I recommend subtracting from life that I'm going to share with you for your show notes as well too. I download because I love to talk about this and there's some easy, just quick win places, i.e. you know, alcohol. That's a great one. Phone notifications. I don't have any on outside of text messages. Nope. Big boundary. So there's so much out there that doesn't have to cost anything and that we can just implement. And it's, again, this has been years in progress for me. It's not like I did all of this at once, but slowly have built over time the things that I just kind of slowly stripped away. And I think it works because in theory, I should be devastated by this debt and the situation I'm in currently in cancer and all of this stuff. And I have the space to remain positive and feel like I can tackle this because I'm not buried by life.
Gayle Kalvert (33:19):
This is so helpful for me. I am a big thrower outer, but never translated that into my daily life. So you have my wheels turning. I am looking for your list. You're going to have to check in on me as well and make sure I'm still subtracting
Leslie Bailey (33:32):
In an accountability group, right?
Gayle Kalvert (33:35):
Yes. Oh, we can have an accountability group. That's great. If anybody wants to be part of our accountability group, just message us. Yeah, let's start one. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. So before we go, tell everyone where they can find you.
Leslie Bailey (33:47):
Lesliebailey.com is my personal website and indymaven.com. And then both those on all the socials. Well, not all of. Not everything. I won't be on everything. I refuse to be on everything.
Gayle Kalvert (34:00):
Very good, Leslie. Subtract. You only need to be on some social channels.
Leslie Bailey (34:04):
Yeah.
Gayle Kalvert (34:05):
Like two. Okay. We'll make sure everybody can find you. Thank you so much. Thank you. We'll see you soon. You're definitely coming back. Look forward to it. I hope that was helpful. If you know someone that you go to for this topic, send them my way. After all, we're just figuring this out together. See you next time.