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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. There's a lot of serious discussions that we usually have about where the country's at, where the world's at. It's a pretty scary place. It's not like, you know, the typical conversation of, wow, America's doing great, and the economy's booming, and how's your four zero one k doing?
Seth Holehouse:It's mostly like, okay, when's the the next pandemic coming, and deep states doing this, and social credit scores, and central bank digital currency, and this is what's happening over in this country, and look at, you know, Canada has gone full blown communist. I mean, that's the world we live in today. It's pretty serious and pretty heady. So you'll probably appreciate today's discussion because it's the opposite of that. So I'll be sitting down today with author Kent Heckenlively, who I've had on a couple times before, just having a pretty candid and fun, relaxed conversation about where our country's at, the role of men, and how men need to really stack it step it up and find our backbones again.
Seth Holehouse:But also looking at culture, the the what the culture is doing to us, how to see through it, how to bridge the gap between left and right, and maybe having a few laughs as well. So folks, please enjoy the interview with author Kent Hecan Lively. Kent, it is great to have you back on the show. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me, Seth.
Seth Holehouse:So we've had some great conversations. You've authored some books that have been very heavy hitters. I know that you worked very closely with Judy Mikovits on was was it Plague of Corruption? Was that one of the the
Speaker 2:Every Judy book is a Kent book too.
Seth Holehouse:Okay, well there
Speaker 2:you People forget that. I had this really funny thing happen when Plague of Corruption ended up becoming so big, which was that's got like close to 9,000 Amazon reviews now. And so I'd read these reviews as they were coming out and they go, Judy is awesome, Judy is so brilliant, Judy is wonderful, Judy is a mother named modern Teresa. I'm like, okay, that's great. I appreciate all that.
Speaker 2:That's very true and everything. But after two or 3,000 reviews in which my name did not appear because my name is second on the book, I decided I would respond to one of these. So I wrote in a comment, Yeah, Judy is great, but I understand this Kent Heckenlively guy really helps her rate those books too. And the reviewer wrote back and said, No, I don't think that's true. I think he's just the attorney who makes sure she doesn't get sued.
Seth Holehouse:At least it was a thoughtful response, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, a thoughtful response, which was completely wrong. And so I was kinda like, okay, I am forever going to be Doctor. Watson to Sherlock Holmes. Guess that's, I'm Robin to Batman. And so, you know, hopefully hopefully that will change with a couple new books that they have coming out, in which my name will be number one.
Seth Holehouse:Have have you seen the same thing happen with your recent book that you published with Alex Jones? Or it it's all
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know, I I was thinking to myself, for god's sakes, I'm writing a book with Alex Jones. You know, mainstream media's enemy number one. I'm waiting for those mainstream attacks, come after me deep state. Absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2:I type in Ken Ackenlively, Alex Jones, and I get the book on Amazon and absolutely nothing else. And I'm like, what do I have to do to get the attention of these people? I mean, I want the deep state to come after me, but I guess they're they're just kinda going, no. I'm not sure we wanna mess with Kent. He might appear too logical and rational.
Seth Holehouse:Or they're thinking, mate, maybe that guy is Alex Jones' attorney. Let's not let's not poke that bear.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:So So it's always nice talking to you because, well, you're an upbeat person. You can see, which is evidenced by your smile and just your overall charisma. And you obviously are you're a deep thinker and a writer, and you're looking at what's happening in the world. And so when you take a step back, right, as we were talking about before the show, when you look at, let's just focus on the state of America right now. Right?
Seth Holehouse:We're heading into an election, which I think is, I think, the most important election that this country's ever had. I think that it will determine whether we are entering into, like, you know, fast track to Venezuela or Haiti, you know, cannibal gangs, I mean, who knows, or potentially on on the way towards ridding ourselves of this this corruption, this deep state that's that's permeating almost every, facet of our society. So when we look take a step back and look at the importance of what's going on, and and everyone's focused on the election, or they're focused on, you know, whatever it is that they're focusing on, what do you see as being what's important right now? I know we talked before about just what it means to be a good man, for instance. I mean, are discussions that, I think, that when I take a step back personally, and I look at what's happening in the world, I I I really believe that so much of the the problems that we see now, the ills of society, the just absolute debauchery that we see everywhere, and it's a corruption.
Seth Holehouse:It's a reflection of all of us. It's a reflection of, I think, everyone in their own way, you know, edging out their conscience for this little thing here, that little thing there, allowing our desires to take over here and there, and really becoming slack. I mean, you look at our forefathers and what they sacrificed, and what they put on the line to protect this country, to fight off tyranny, to leave a better place for their grandchildren and their their children and the generations following, I think that they're just they're almost a different species than the the modern man and the modern person in America. So where where are your thoughts on this? Where what are you looking at?
Seth Holehouse:What are you seeing in our society right now that that stands out to you as being an important thing to highlight?
Speaker 2:I think this may be one of the most exciting times in American history. And the reason I say that is because I think that for twenty, thirty years, there has been this attack on masculinity and the pendulum has swung so far and it's a conversation my wife and I have all the time about like male and female roles. So what I say is that a lot of the problems that I think exist in today's society is because of this attack on masculinity, because men don't know how to be men and they're afraid to be a man. Now, what do I mean by that? Men solve problems, okay?
Speaker 2:Men are not the gender which complains and sits on the sideline. Men are those stupid people in society who when they see a wall run through it. They may be bleeding, but they don't care. That's just the way men are. What's happened because of this attack on masculinity is I believe that since men haven't been men, women don't know what's going on because they know that they want a real man.
Speaker 2:They want a man who will say, no, that is too far. I also think that one of the things that we have to do is one of the greatest male strengths is a sense of humor and mockery. And what we have to do is we have to aggressively confront the craziness of the left, but we do it with humor. We do it with mockery. I mean, I always go back to what happened in Eastern Europe before the fall of the Berlin wall And what the jokes would be, the joke was always that Reagan and Gorbachev were talking about respect to freedoms in their country.
Speaker 2:And Reagan says, in The United States, a citizen can come into the White House and criticize me right to my face and that's fine. And Gorbachev says, yeah, we have the same freedom in the Soviet Union too. Somebody can come into my office and criticize you and that's totally fine. And I thought, that's good. Or the old line about what happens in a communist economy, they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.
Speaker 2:And so what we need to do is to keep pushing the mockery and that's also why I feel like there's been an attempt to cancel so many comedians when they get up to a certain line. So, all we kind of do is just revel in our maleness. And one of the things that I say to my wife, for example, we were just having this discussion the other day, said, said, here's something that is a difference between men and women. I said, tell me if this is true, she'll tell me like, gee, honey, I get together with my girlfriends and all they do is they complain about their husbands. And I sit there going, well, what's going on with this?
Speaker 2:And I said, okay, so that is a very female thing to do. I said, Men, when we get together, we never complain about the women in our lives because we feel like, no, that's kind of a sacred space, just not gonna go there. And somebody, she was telling me about one of her friends who both the man and the woman were remarried, second marriages, and so the wife is talking about her first husband and all the things wrong that he did and the husband said, you know, my ex wife did a lot of bad things to me, but I'm not going to talk her down to you. And I thought, that's a man, that's what being a man is. And I kind of feel like it's sort of like why Trump is so popular because I mean, whether you like him or hate him, you gotta say he's an alpha male and he's gonna make jokes about it and things.
Speaker 2:And so like, whether you vote for him or not, you gotta say, there's a man, okay? He's not gonna let crazy stuff happen. And so I think that what we men need to do is assert our positive masculinity, And we will be shocked at how attractive that is to women because women want strong men. Many years ago, was involved in this pilot for a TV show, which which was called Straight Eye for the Whipped Guy. And it had this as its premise, that when a man and a woman get into a relationship, the woman will attempt to feminize the man.
Speaker 2:But if she successfully feminizes the man, she's no longer interested in him. So, you know, we we would have these funny things, you know, we'd have, like, married guy and he's got like, tiny dog that he's taken on the walk and he's having salads and everything. We're like, no, your man, you need a big dog, you need to have eat steak and we're gonna take you up in a fighter jet, okay? Be a man because that's what's attractive to women. And so what we have is historic dissatisfaction among women with their lives.
Speaker 2:I mean, if this feminist paradise is what they wanted, why aren't they happy? Why were women happier thirty or forty years ago? So society is always changing and we have to be open to things. I always say to my wife, I said, Look, just because I'm telling you that men need to assert themselves, Hey, we men have crazy things too. For example, what gets talked about is the supposed pay gap between men and women, the wage gap.
Speaker 2:I'm like, well, why isn't anybody talking about the age gap that men die six years before women on average? Don't you care? I mean, it's one thing your salary, but what are men doing that's ending their lives six years earlier? Well, I can tell you, we get too focused on work and family, we don't have our friends, we don't have the network that women have. Hey, maybe what we have to do as men is make sure that as we're trying to be really successful, which I think is career wise success is more important to a man than it is to a woman, just generally speaking.
Speaker 2:And I said, but you know, hey, if if that male trait is leading to earlier deaths, hey, maybe we men have to reassess a couple things. Maybe maybe we should make time to go play golf with our buddies on the weekend or something like that.
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Seth Holehouse:So folks today, text ideas to 76626 to claim your free copy. One thing that that is interesting is that and it's a tricky balance is that when I go to different events, like the reawaken tour or things similar to that, or just looking at the audience I'm interacting with or looking at the analytics is with the folks that are, say, watching this show, a larger portion are women. And what I which is interesting because know, when I started when I started the show, I thought maybe Yeah. It'd be reaching, you know, young men that wanna get more engaged. And but what I found is actually that because so many men, I think, have really become more spineless.
Seth Holehouse:They've they've really vacated their role and their responsibility, and you've got, you know, Peter Pan syndrome with with, you know, you know, kind of people that are in their thirties still living at home playing video games, etcetera. A lot of women are having to fill the role, and a lot of people that I'm talking to or that are, you know, involved in understanding what's happening in this country and fighting back, whether it's through election integrity or have you know, medical freedom, etcetera, they're women. And so they're having to step up because now maybe their men are still working. I don't know. There's a lot of reasons, but I'm seeing that there's this mama bear instinct that has come out now that a lot of the women have realized.
Seth Holehouse:It's almost like maybe for a long time they trusted the men, right, to protect them and to keep our country safe, they've realized like, wait, wait, you guys got really busy watching football Monday nights, and you got really busy just doing barbecues, and doing, you know, hunting trips with your friends, and the communists have now infiltrated our country, and they're gonna destroy us, and now they're feeling like they gotta step up. So it's this interesting dynamic of looking at who are the ones that are really, really pushing forward in the fight. And I'd say that, you know, hats off to them, there's actually a lot, I think, a lot larger percentage of women that are really, really fighting and getting involved and doing things. And so I think that it's like, if the men, if more men, I think, can feel the weight of, I think, what you understand about where our country's at, what I understand about where our country's at, and get involved, and you know, be there, you know, kinda side by side with all these women and, you know, take different roles. That's what we need.
Seth Holehouse:I think that we really need that because there are certain things that men can do that women can't do and vice versa.
Speaker 2:And, actually, when you look at what the government has done, the the government policies seem to be focused on disempowering men, on emasculating men. You know, if you were a man, you you know, the path used to be you'd go to work for a company, and you'd go up the corporate ladder. And that's how you get status and and money and power, and, you know, you could provide a good life for your family. What's happening now? If you're a white male in corporate America, you ain't getting promoted.
Speaker 2:So what's left for those men? What's left is become an entrepreneur, to go do something that doesn't require the okay of other people who are gonna be infected with this DEI agenda. And so one of the things that has to happen is there need to be a whole bunch of lawsuits that says that say, look, I understand you you want equality of opportunity, but equality of outcome is is racism, and it's racism against white male, and you're destroying white males. And because you're destroying white males, you're also destroying females. And so this is, you know, a a a meritocracy results in everybody getting what they want because we're going to have different, different things that we value.
Speaker 2:Advertisers can figure out if you're male or female by what you look at when you're shopping, okay? And they can determine it with like 85%, ninety % accuracy. So it's just crazy to say we have to be exactly the same. No. No.
Speaker 2:That is not that is not true. And it's believing that is absolutely harmful.
Seth Holehouse:And so looking at where the country's at right now, especially, you know, over the course of the next twelve months with all the insanity that is bound to ensue. Right? We're already see we're seeing it. I mean, we've been seeing it for the past, four or five years, especially, but it's it's really ramping up. When you look ahead, what's your prognosis for America?
Seth Holehouse:What's your, I guess, prediction of of what you hope could happen, what might happen? What's what's the future of this country look like in your mind? And is it a happy future, or is it a dystopian sci fi novel future?
Speaker 2:I think it's really gonna be very exciting. And I thought the other day, I watched this broadcast, Bill Maher has his Club Random show that he does on YouTube, and I think he wants to get out of the straight jacket that is with his HBO show, and he had on Sheryl Crow and I just think the world of her as an artist. And so they're talking about stuff and they come up to the political question and Sheryl Crow is very liberal as is Bill Maher and Sheryl Crowe starts talking about one of her absolute best friends, Kid Rock, and she goes, I just love Kid Rock, we are completely different politically. When there was a mass shooting, the first thing I did was I called up Kid Rock and I'm like, kid, tell me why you don't want gun control now. And she goes, and then he tells me, and then he goes through it and I'm like, oh, okay, I don't know if I agree with you, but I still love you to death.
Speaker 2:And Bill Maher's response to that is like, yeah, we need to get rid of this toxic idea that just because we differ politically, we can't be friends. He says, One of my absolute best friends is Ann Coulter. And he says, She comes in, she does the show, we get into it, and then we hang out there and we're friends. And we have to get back to that America. We have to get back to that point of view where we say, Hey, I'm open to, I am always aware of the other side because as much as when I write a book with a Project Veritas whistleblower, I write a book with Alex Jones, I am aware that there's a built in audience that is gonna eat that up anyway, but what I'm also trying to do is I'm trying to say, let me talk in a way that will hit the other side the way Bill Maher hits me as a conservative, because I can say, okay, I get Bill Maher is liberal, but I see somebody who is trying to understand the other side.
Speaker 2:And I think one of the things that Bill Maher had said that I thought was so funny as he and Shilcrow were talking about this is he said something like, if your car breaks down on the freeway, the first truck that stops for you will be a Republican. And you just know that. I thought, yeah, that's true. So if you're on the liberal side, understand the first person that comes to your aid is likely gonna be a Republican and he'll know how to change your tire.
Seth Holehouse:And, you know, the the interesting thing with this, right, if I'm taking a step back and looking at it, is that you you look at you have the extremes of both sides. Right? But then you have the the people that are, say, moderate Democrats and and moderate Republicans or conservatives. Right? So the for the people that they hate the MAGA.
Seth Holehouse:Right? Those aren't those aren't the moderate Democrats. They're more like the, you know, the Sheryl Crows, and they're talking to the person that's on the other side. Now, might consider Kid Rock not like a moderate conservative. He's a, you know, gun toting, beer drinking, you know, finger in the air, you know, f the government, you know, which I I happen to agree with a lot of his principles and ideas, of course.
Seth Holehouse:But, you know, so on the extreme though, you have, I think, a a hatred that they've really developed. Like, you know, like the the the rabid scene in Watcher, there's red they have towards the MAGA Republicans. Right? And vice versa, you have that on your side, but the the tricky thing is that when I look at well, actually, both sides. So for them, especially on the far, far left, they're really being fed a lot of lines and fed a lot of lies that this far, far right wants to take over.
Seth Holehouse:Right? That Trump wants to be a dictator, that they you know, so they're they're looking at this thinking that that far right, the ideology, that MAGA Republican, that it's a threat to our democracy. Right? It's a threat to America. It's a threat to their future, and so that that causes them to be very volatile and full of that vitriol towards the other side.
Seth Holehouse:Now, for the other side, right, so when I look at, say, Democratic policies like gun control, for instance, or censorship, I see that it's not just an opinion. Right? You know, through studying history and knowing how tyrannical governments take over and how country, you know, countries and empires collapse, what I see is that these policies are the policies that lay the foundation for totalitarianism. And you can see, you know, as you know very, very well that what's behind those policies, what's behind all these movements for gun control, for instance, even though that the moderate Democrat may think that gun control is really about, you know, less children being shot at school or whatever it is that gets them emotional about the issue, and and they wanna go out and vote, you know, in in favor of whatever candidate's gonna represent their views that, you know, guns are bad and, you know, you don't need an a k 47 for hunting deer and what you know, the different things that they're being told. On From my perspective, I look at that, and it's like, it's not about politics or left or right or anything.
Seth Holehouse:It's about both parties have been hijacked, but actually, a lot of the Democratic policies, even the open borders, for instance, It's not about, like, I don't like immigrants. It's like, I don't want, you know, military age men flooding across the border. It's not about, you know, gun control of, you know, what do you need to hunt or not. It's that, no. I'm a student of history, and I know that, you know, taking guns away from citizens is almost always the precursor to losing all rights, and that a a well earned populace is one of the greatest ways to prevent tyranny come you know, taking over in a country.
Seth Holehouse:And so it's it's a it's a more difficult thing, I think, for the people that see what I've you know, what I honestly think of as the truth, the truth of what's really behind the the gun control. It's about taking away guns so that they can then, you know, throw us into camps. Right? So it is it is difficult, and this does add to that whole divide, that left right divide, because when you when you have this perspective and you know the deep state is real, you know the threat that America is to the new world order, you know that the the constitution, our our our rights, that the amendments, you know that these are all different facets of the armor that been given to us by the founding fathers to protect this country from, you know, the same tyranny that we've seen in China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Russia, you know, Germany, etcetera. It's it's it's not a view to me, it's not even about politics anymore.
Seth Holehouse:It's about how to make sure our country does not turn into, you know, the USSA in a in a short couple of years, or Venezuela. I mean, it's it's just that's and that's where it's difficult. And that's also where I found a lot of opportunity because I like what you're talking about, how when you're saying that you like speaking in a way that you can speak to the other side of the aisle, which is important. Right? You know, if Bill Maher was talking like Howard Stern does, you wouldn't even be watching him if he's talking and he's slandering Republicans and all this kind of stuff.
Seth Holehouse:But Bill Maher's modest, and he's not making an absolute mockery of people. But I think it's it is important though that we are able to do that the other way, and help these people see those principles. Because I've found that when I have talked to people that are much more liberal, and they're like, why do you like guns? And it's like, it's not about, you know, collecting guns so I can shoot people. It's about looking at what's happened over the course of history.
Seth Holehouse:This is what gun control is about. It's like, don't I don't want an AR 15 so I can shoot the deer 30 times. Right? It's like I want it because my that gun is supposed to match what the military would be coming in, you know, invading force would be using, and we have to protect our country. People then, they they see it.
Seth Holehouse:So I think these these principles, I think, are really important to keep rooting these discussions in, is that it's not about left versus right. It's really about freedom versus tyranny. Folks, how do you feel? Me? I feel great.
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Speaker 2:Yeah. So my favorite founding father is Ben Franklin because I just loved his kind of attitude. You know? He he you you just always imagine him talking with a little bit of a lopsided grin as he's doing things. And there's something so engaging about that.
Speaker 2:And so when one side is trying to convince a part of the public that you are an angry, hateful person, then when the gaze gets turned on you and you're smiling and laughing and talking and being respectful, it's really hard to hate you. And so, one of the things that I saw a clip a little while ago, I don't remember this man's name, African American, but he appeared on The View. And he just commanded The View, and it was because he let them finish and then he talked, and he was just confident. And I think that that's the way we need to be because if they're trying to convince you that I'm a horrible person, well, the antidote to that is for me to be friendly, open. I mean, look at you and me, we got the suit on, we got a nice shirt, we're wearing glasses, we're well groomed, we don't look terrifying.
Speaker 2:And so we don't terrify people, The idea of a conservative would be like crazy hair and I got a confederate flag behind me. No, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm a very sophisticated littered man, I belong to two different book clubs and I'm not in book clubs with right wingers, but it's also, I think that there's this hunger. I just had this kind of hilarious meeting with my book club. I'm an artsy fartsy guy. So here I'm in a book club, it's like 12 women and me, okay?
Speaker 2:So that's the deal, okay? And they know I write books and everything, so I'm usually like the last to go. And so we did this book, our last book was a book by Jodi Picoult called Mad Honey. So I'd never read a Jodi Picoult book, but the premise is that this young 18 year old girl dies under mysterious circumstances, falls down some stairs, her boyfriend is accused of it. Of course, the boyfriend is the child of a broken marriage who's been raised by his mother and is he violent, is he not?
Speaker 2:And it's sort of like this feminist Wonderland story because of course the kid's dad was violent and the question is, even though the son hasn't been raised with a violent dad, is he a killer? And you just go, oh God, this is the male violence trope and everything. And then halfway through the book, you find out that the girl was actually a boy who transitioned, so she's transsexual, but she's like the perfect little transsexual. And she's totally a girl kind of thing and questioned whether the boy knew about it and comes out he did. And so it was just to me, like it struck me as feminist porn, okay?
Speaker 2:So I'm listening to everybody go around it and Jodi Picoult is a really good writer. It's just her stories are lies kind of thing. And so it was funny. So here are 11 women that had talked about like how much they love the book and oh gee, it hit all the right notes and everything. And so it gets to me and I always have my little five by eight card and they're like, okay, Ken, what do you have?
Speaker 2:And I said, well, she's a really good writer, but this is feminist porn. Like what? I said, okay, so every powerful male here is a bad guy, okay? And mom is raising the son, even though he plays hockey and everything, she says some weird things like, Oh, I don't want my son to ever go away. No, no, that's terrible.
Speaker 2:You ruin guys like that. And then what ends up happening to the story is it turns out that the girl, because of the hormones that she was taking, it would often cause you to be dizzy and you would also bleed much more easily because she dies from a head wound. And so what we find out is that the boyfriend did not push her down the stairs, but her best friend, who's a girl, wanted the boy, and the two of them got into a fight. And she so the girl pushed the other girl down the stairs, blamed it on the boyfriend. And so the boyfriend has to endure this terrible trial, right?
Speaker 2:Where they're just ripping into him, and he gets off and then it comes out that it was the girlfriend who did, his friend who's a girl who is really in love with the guy and they don't prosecute her. And like, I said, Oh, wait a minute, you did this whole book talking about justice. And then you tell me, you know, there's gonna be no trial because it's one chick pushing another chick down a flight of stairs. And well, everybody's tired of it. And they were just like, Oh boy, that's a huge problem.
Speaker 2:So there were 11 women who loved the book. So when I bring up, okay, here are all the things that are wrong with it. Every guy with power is bad. She doesn't even trust her own son not to be a murderer. This is an anti male book.
Speaker 2:And it doesn't even care about transvestites either because it doesn't care about women either because one woman died and nobody's getting prosecuted for it. And if she'd been a transvestite and she'd been pushed down the stairs because she was a transvestite, I'm sure they would have prosecuted her. But in the story, she's not prosecuted because it's just two chicks fighting over a guy. And every one of those women were like, you're totally right about that. We did not see that.
Speaker 2:And see, that's what I'm talking about. Males will have a different perspective than females. Females will have a different perspective than males. We need to talk to each other in order to get those different perspectives, and we need to have respect for the other side's perspective.
Seth Holehouse:So, interesting that these 11 women that you're sitting with who loved the book, they didn't even see that. They didn't even see the agenda worked into
Speaker 2:it.
Robert Kiyosaki:They were
Speaker 2:completely blind to it. And it was actually kind of funny because one of the metaphors in the book is the mother raises honeybees. And so she's talking all about what happens in a honeybee hive and basically how the males are only there for insemination and then they're killed. And you can't have more than one queen in the hive because And I was like, oh, come on. This whole thing is terrible.
Speaker 2:Males have no Here's what I learned. Males have no usage and there can only be one queen in any hive. Okay? So is that the sum total of knowledge about human beings? Is that what I'm supposed to take?
Speaker 2:You can just see all the women going like, shit. You're totally right. That's exactly what she said. I'm like, it's it's beautiful writing. It's just insane.
Seth Holehouse:See, the one of the problems that I have now, and it it feels like a curse sometimes, is that I can't enjoy most modern culture or modern programming. I I just can't. I look at a lot of modern art, and I say that's garbage, and it's part of a Luciferian agenda to destroy humanity that roots it. Goes back to the communist and communist architecture and all kinds of stuff. I see a TV show, like, can't not see the agenda.
Seth Holehouse:I see a movie come out, you know, and it's like, okay, so the bad guy is the old white patriarchy, and the hero is this disadvantaged mixed race woman that you're sure if she's black or Latino, and she's got short hair and a nose ring. She's now the hero of the story, and, you know, or whether it's that or it's the music or it's the clothing. It's like even, you know, even, you know, we've got a newborn. We've got I've got a three year old, and we're shopping for clothing for little girls, and it's like, they don't make feminine stuff anymore. It's so hard to find just nice, cute, flowery outfits.
Seth Holehouse:It's like, that one's gender neutral, that's gender neutral, that's gender neutral. They're using grays and beiges, and they're not using these so, of course, we find it somewhere, but it just it feels like, you know, and my wife, she's even worse at this. Like, we we struggle so much. Or you're watching you're watching a great show. It's like, oh, okay.
Seth Holehouse:Finally, we found a good series to watch. You know, occasionally, we'll get time to watch show in the evening, where it's winding down, and you're you're going with it, you're two or three episodes into it, and then there's some sort of lesbian sex scene. It's just like, why Yeah. Why throw this in there? Why ruin it?
Seth Holehouse:It just seems like it's it's this Yeah. It's it's this sickness. This mind virus has crept into so many things, but what's interesting though is that people are rejecting it. It's not just me. I'm sure it's you.
Seth Holehouse:It's it's it's the audience that's watching and listening. There's a lot of people that I think are like, what's like what we do? It's like, you know what? I'm I'm done with the modern crap. Let's go watch Little House on the Prairie.
Seth Holehouse:Right? Let's let's go watch, you know, let's go watch a movie from the sixties or the fifties because these new movies suck, because they're all woke, and they've all got this agenda in them, and it's a curse, but it's good because it's I think what's happening is, at least for me, it's like, my compass is working again. My compass was spinning ten years ago, twenty years ago, and it's like, you don't know what's right from wrong and up from down, but now it's like my compass is working, it's pointing me back towards tradition, back towards family, towards beauty, towards principle, and so, which is, I guess you could say it's a silver lining.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that's kind of behind this book, my new book, The King of Italy, which I always describe as a bit of a cross between The Godfather and Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment. And so when I read Crime and Punishment, I was just so deeply affected by it because it's not just the story of going after the bad guy. So Raskolnikov is the man young man who's killed two people. Poor Fury, Petrovich is the detective who's chasing them.
Speaker 2:And it's more than that. It's this exploration of what makes a person choose evil. And the detective is not just interested in finding the killer, but the book is also about the resurrection of Raskolnikov, that he comes to understand the wickedness of what he's done, and he spends the rest of his life trying to be a good man. And it's something that when I watched the original Godfather movies and I'm half Sicilian, so this is part of my heritage, I'm like, there's a lot that they got right, but I felt like there was this anti religious narrative there that that if you are genuinely genuinely religious and you do terrible things, there are consequences, but the godfather went too far.
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Speaker 2:Affected by it because it's not just the story of going after the bad guy. So Raskolnikov is the young man who's killed two people. Poor Fury Petrovich is the detective who's chasing them. And it's more than that. It's this exploration of what makes a person choose evil.
Speaker 2:And the detective is not just interested in finding the killer, but the book is also about the resurrection of Raskolnikov, that he comes to understand the wickedness of what he's done, and he spends the rest of his life trying to be a good man. And it's something that when I watch the original Godfather movies, and I'm half Sicilian, so this is part of my heritage, I'm like, there's a lot that they got right, but I felt like there was this anti religious narrative there that that if you are genuinely genuinely religious and you do terrible things, there are consequences. But the godfather went too far, I felt like. Because when you get to Godfather III, there's this thing about he's trying to redeem himself. And basically what happens in it is there's no redemption for him.
Speaker 2:And I'm just like, that's not Christianity. No. And only bad things will happen. So even as he's trying to repent, he can't overcome the sins of his past. And I thought, the first one, great, second one, great, third one with this, no, this should be the punishment, but it should also be consistent with Christianity and Catholic doctrine.
Speaker 2:I mean, when you look at so many of the saints in the Catholic church, they did terrible things. They had horrible lives. But that's not our focus. Our focus is on not their sins, but the faith that they came to have. You know, it's not that Paul persecuted Christians.
Speaker 2:It said he had the conversion on the road to Damascus, and he decided to live a different life.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, it's like if there wasn't a path for us to go from being bad people to good people, what what was Jesus teaching us about then? Right? If if there's not some path that we're that, like, isn't that the human experience that we're down here, and that we can choose between good and evil. And sometimes, the evil looks a lot better, a lot more fun, right? It oftentimes does, but this is the human condition.
Seth Holehouse:Like, we're we're in a maze. I mean, look at so many different cultures or philosophies that there's there's a there's a veil of illusion. There's the maze. Like, we're we can't see. Most of us can't see.
Seth Holehouse:We can't see angels and demons. We can't see, you know, but what we see is, you know, a big bottle of booze or a prostitute or whatever it is. And it's like, well, I guess it's not that bad. Right? And and that's, again, that's how we got here, think, is that it's all those little well, it's not that bad, is it?
Seth Holehouse:That that goes to a place now where our world's run by demons.
Speaker 2:And when you're a storyteller, I think you have an obligation to say, gee, I'm I'm leading my audience on a certain path. Like one of the films that I just absolutely adore, because I think it's so clever and entertaining is Pulp Fiction, which seems like it's about a bunch of low rent hoods. But when you think about it, it's one event happens, Samuel Jackson and John Travolta get shot at and they should have died, That's it. And how do the two of them respond to that event? Samuel Jackson is kind of like, well, John Travolta says like, look, it was a fluke.
Speaker 2:I can't explain it, but it ain't a miracle. Samuel Jackson is like, no, that was a miracle. God came in and protected us for some reason. And now I have to figure out what that reason is. And in the film, John Travolta, who doesn't believe gets killed and Samuel Jackson walks off into his new life.
Speaker 2:And I'm like, that was so entertaining because part of what's fun in an audience is when the author is leading you in a direction, you're going, okay, I'm following that, I'm following that, I'm following this. And then they throw a twist into you and you go, oh, that's what it was about. I thought I was like in this fun life of crime, but actually this is a deeply spiritual story. And what things in my life have happened to me that I say, I can only explain that through some sort of divine intervention and if I accept that there's been divine intervention once in my life, I'm forever changed.
Seth Holehouse:It's good point. It's a good point. So, Kent, we're nearing the end of our time here, but before we sign off, there's a really fun trailer for your book that I wanna just play for folks. So I'm gonna go ahead and play this. This is actually it's it's it's a you know, usually, books don't have trailers, let alone trailers like this.
Seth Holehouse:So I'll go ahead and pull that up. We'll play it before we sign off.
Speaker 4:In a tale of betrayal and vengeance, one man's journey is marked by family secrets and vendettas. Seeking refuge in a distant land, the shadows of the past haunt his every step. And when World War two rages, a new generation is thrust into a battle for justice. But with victory comes a reckoning that could shatter everything they hold dear, the king of Italy.
Speaker 2:Ben Hur, he meets Jesus Christ. The films that I kind of love, like The Last Samurai, The Last Emperor, these are historical stories or glory about the civil war. There's something deeply mythic about them. And so in putting this book together, I wanted to take the reality of what had happened in Italy from the 1920s to the 1940s, and one of the things that people don't realize is that everybody focuses on Hitler being in charge in Germany from 1933 to 1945, but actually Mussolini was in charge from 1922 to 1945. And so I use that as sort of the vehicle to tell sort of like an Italian version of World War II.
Speaker 2:And some of the amazing things that happened in Italy that I don't think have gotten enough attention in the world. I was really happy that Kirkus Reviews gave me just really a glowing review of that. So like I said, I'm always trying to reach out to the other side. I'm always trying to, if not make the other side agree with me, at least make the other side respect the integrity of what I'm saying and that I have a strong, well researched point of view.
Seth Holehouse:So which is very important these days. So, Kent, thank you again for coming on the show. It's been it's been just fun. It's been fun and pleasant just sitting out, and I I feel like we'd be sitting across a, you know, a table at a coffee shop having this conversation. So I'm sure folks will enjoy it.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There you go. I try to live up to my name.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. I've got my my bottle of water with me. So alright. Well, Kent, until next time. Take care.
Seth Holehouse:God bless. I'll put the links for your book in the description for folks to check out as well. Thank you again.
Speaker 2:Alright. Thanks, Seth.
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