Beyond the Bullhorn: Cory Sherman on Site-Wide Emergency Alerts

Keywords: EHS, OSHA emergency action plan, construction safety, emergency communication system, jobsite evacuation, muster points, PA and strobe towers, SCADA integration, active threat response, severe weather alerts, industrial safety, human performance, safety culture, mass notification, radio-based alerts, safety consultant, safety leadership, crisis communication, incident response, ammonia leak response, drills and exercises, contractor safety, hazard communication, sitewide paging, emergency preparedness, safety technology, mobile alert towers, evacuation drills, buy-in and adoption, PPE compliance

This week, Sheldon talks with CSP and founder Cory Sherman about replacing unreliable air horns/text chains with mobile, site-wide emergency communication towers—plus practical playbooks for earning buy-in, converting decision-makers, and escaping the “safety cop” trap. We dig into fire drills that took 45 minutes (and why), integrating alerts with detectors/SCADA, onboarding crews in 30–45 minutes, and the business side of selling safety (cold outreach, CRM, and pain-point follow-ups). Perfect for EHS leaders, consultants, and construction pros who need faster, clearer emergency response and better adoption on the ground.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Alright, getting welcome to another episode of the Safety Consultant Show.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm your host Sheldon Primus, and this is the show where I teach you about being a safety consultant.

[SPEAKER_04]: We talk about a bunch of things including some ocean compliance stuff, talk about a whole bunch.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just want to make sure that you guys are ready for your career, ready for your job.

[SPEAKER_04]: New guest, new person I'm getting to understand, get to learn a little bit about Cory Sherman, the founder and CEO of Safety Systems Management.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is a certified safety professional, as well as he has a master's in safety and security and environmental management.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Cory, thank you so much for being part of this show man.

[SPEAKER_04]: I wish I held him for a second to bring him home.

[SPEAKER_04]: You are so welcome.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I...

[SPEAKER_04]: and kind of looking everything up with your company and your emergency management system.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I work with construction quite a bit.

[SPEAKER_04]: And, man, that's a good idea.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can come up with that one.

[SPEAKER_04]: And well, first tell everybody what it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then, I don't want to start a thunder, so tell everybody what you came up with.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then tell me how the story did that to you guys.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we came up with a, um,

[SPEAKER_02]: mobile communication tower that gets deployed out on the construction sites and generous in.

[SPEAKER_02]: general industry areas on that provide emergency notification with pre record messages or live voiceover and there's actual other types of communication you can get out to the field or job site within the system but it operates off radio frequencies and it is all the cart you can have one mobile communication tower out there.

[SPEAKER_02]: which consists of 2PA speakers, LED strobe lights and pullpinnets.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can have run or you can have 300.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there are wireless mobile plug and play.

[SPEAKER_02]: So you can have one in a location.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you need to unplug it and move it, you just move it out of your way to your new location.

[SPEAKER_02]: Plug it back in and you're ready to go.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, and from one night here from the year you're looking at to really help make sure that the whole area from top contractor to the person who's, you know, so you want to make sure that they all get the same message at the same time.

[SPEAKER_02]: And having that real time information during an emergency isn't paramount.

[SPEAKER_02]: in a specially-dern fire act of shooter, weather event, lightning tornado.

[SPEAKER_02]: The faster you can get and then tire message out to the whole job site, everybody involved.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's on it, the better results you'll have.

[SPEAKER_02]: And potentially save the most.

[SPEAKER_04]: that sounds like it came from a story.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely build.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really, it was built from the field.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I've been in the safety field construction side for 15 years, but coming up with this idea, I was working for a top 20 general contractor in Atlanta on a 20 story high rise.

[SPEAKER_02]: uh... national fire month i ran a fire drill with uh... uh... industry standard of the air horn and we're horn uh... and i'm gonna be over forty five minutes to get everybody off the building

[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, a long time, and that's me running up through the building and have another people trying to get word out to everybody and you're like, this is unacceptable, especially after 45 minutes, so it's got to be something better out there in the, you know, market place, and I couldn't find anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that was back in 2016, and, um,

[SPEAKER_02]: So I was a guy with my brother, he got back from the army, and he was in telecommunications in the army corps, and so we kind of started developing this communication tower and found some wireless technology to go along with it, and ended up getting the patent on the mobile communication tower, and I went full-time about three years ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: getting this out into the market, and we've been steadily increasing slowly, but surely pushing the boulder up the hill, changing an industry norm is very tough, especially in construction.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, they're not known for having, you know, forced life.

[SPEAKER_04]: Everything's always like managing right now.

[SPEAKER_04]: What can they do?

[SPEAKER_02]: Being reactive to a situation instead of proactive.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you all seeing like, like,

[SPEAKER_04]: when you get to construction sites because now that you're full-time you've got to promote any after, you know, shake hands and then get to know the GCs, general contractor for those you know, familiar construction.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you starting to see where there's a need that you're, I know that you know that there's a need, I know that there is need to buy

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so most every safety professional I run into on the construction side is like this is very well-received and needed on-site side Even within the general industry I've had some, you know, the crossover guys I've dealt with on the third-party safety inspections Usually they don't ask what their emergency notifications are, but

[SPEAKER_02]: when you ask them, it's either air horn or text message.

[SPEAKER_02]: And you all know that text message has it's downfall.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's missed a call, text, silence.

[SPEAKER_02]: It may come 20, 30 minutes later.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then it was sent out, it may never get to you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's such mass text, sometimes carriers think they're spam.

[SPEAKER_02]: So.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, even it's true.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so now I missed a few calls from my wife before.

[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, that's never a little hour of faith.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it happens every got it won't hear us.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I said one client who the general industry in their doing warehouse style work and what they would do is they had two ear horns, one in front, one in the back.

[SPEAKER_04]: and no matter who would signal the air horn, the other side would have to single signal back with their air horn that they received that signal and then from there they would get out of the building by the air horn system in Hollywood.

[SPEAKER_04]: I guess in some application that would work but you're really presuming a lot that people don't have headphones in, you're thinking about what certain ways level this day is somebody in a four-clift.

[SPEAKER_04]: All that stuff has to go through.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now you're mind if you're going to use that type of system.

[SPEAKER_04]: And again, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: necessity, you got to do what you got to do to make people, you know, become aware.

[SPEAKER_04]: But as far as being ideal, I had to, didn't truly talk to them and say, hey, there's, there might be some limitations of what your system is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's think this through a little.

[SPEAKER_02]: And say if there's a tornado outside, you know, all in everybody evacuating out to that side, you know?

[SPEAKER_02]: and depending on your active shooter protocols, whether they're in the parking lot inside the building, there might be some different scenarios that the information needs to get out to them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Airhorn might not be able to be capable of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So our system you're able to do a lot of voiceover to provide that information if you don't have

[SPEAKER_04]: But then emergency, how's the list they're getting it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Is it going to be on a P.S.

[SPEAKER_04]: or is it more of the K.A.

[SPEAKER_04]: any capability of having it on like a mobile transmitter type thing, you know, like old school where you had your broadcast station on AM, from the York and back when I was growing up, we would have an AM broadcast station to let us know what schools were going to be closed.

[SPEAKER_04]: for our local transition radio and they're trying to figure out if our schools are going to have that technology or at least.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we do have SMS texting module in the base station that you can activate the system, whether it be a prerecord of message, LED strobe whites.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can set the system up to play a radio station.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know so we just installed on the JFK airport expansion in New York.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and some of the guys were kidding, but they're like, we might start doing daily announcements, you know, announcing the jet's game in the New York meds game and stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, just not my next, don't announce any meds game.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you feel like announcing why we collapse again?

[SPEAKER_04]: Cause that's my hometown of, that's my actual hometown of airport.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, I say, I'll on that line of front.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so we don't have much to talk about in there.

[SPEAKER_04]: You had your day, man.

[SPEAKER_04]: Smilt was the man.

[SPEAKER_04]: I remember that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I know with broadcasting, I know there's a lot, especially with their EAP, emergency action planning, and your emergency management field seconds down, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's getting everybody aware of what to do and then executing, and I tell my general industry well construction as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: He'd look for the wind sock first, you know, that's the, for those of you not familiar with that is, it's a, imagine a fabric traffic cone, those orange cones, if you would, and it just blows with the direction of the wind, and then at that point, those of that cone is pointing you to the wind direction, so you have to go crosswind up when to it, to make sure you're not going to be in the path of any kind of airborne impairment.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I've always tell my construction journal industry guys if you see an airs actual wind sock and you have an emergency That's the first thing you're looking for.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're looking to go that way and I guess now with the broadcast system You guys have the ability to tell everybody right away.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hey

[SPEAKER_04]: Quadrant A, Quadrant B, whatever it is, which is only a crosswind up wind of the answer.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, that it seems very valuable to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I just had a buddy that is one of the safety directors here in the Atlanta area with Skanska.

[SPEAKER_02]: They had a, they had a data center build going on in a big industrial area.

[SPEAKER_02]: One of the food process and plants right next door had an ammonia leak.

[SPEAKER_02]: all their systems failed.

[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have ours on site, as of now, hopefully they may change it, but their errands and their text messages failed getting everybody out of the building and evacuated to their muster point to leave before it got to the building.

[SPEAKER_02]: You got to look at the direction of the wind and maybe we'll be able to point them in the right direction to head to with the system like ours.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's switch gears a little to the business side since a lot of my listeners are going to be trying to start their own business and try to figure out a few things.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're more of the service side trying to become consultant themselves.

[SPEAKER_04]: When we go into these industries and we see a lack such as not having a emergency management and planning and everything else, we have to address that ourselves until they're clients.

[SPEAKER_04]: one of the biggest things, for your job and for what you guys are doing, and I say you guys with you and your Kyle, your brother, Chris, you and Kyle together have to go out there and pile on to pavement to get in your eyes and you know what kind of tips do you have for the same activity I guess for my listeners that have to, I

[SPEAKER_04]: She cans and get new clients, let's say it's been work at 3L.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm getting out there, building relationships, even small relationships that you've made in the past.

[SPEAKER_02]: Simple call saying, hey, I've got my own company.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is what we're doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if you know of anybody or if the time comes where you think you could use this, I'm here in his main information.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, civil steps like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, on my front end, I started the company in 2016, but then go full time until three years ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: You have to, uh,

[SPEAKER_02]: place, there's relationships and you know, find the people that need the what you're offering and say we're here if and when you need us and you have to do some of your cold calling call around to the clients you're looking for.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, depending on size and scope you want, is how big your client, but simple cold calls can help too.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not the funnest or a great thing to do, but it can kill a long ways.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sounds like you're old school, it's like the old school, they've going out there, that's what I do.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, if you do the Cole Collin, get a shake some hands, show up in a couple of these events, such as ASSP or the National Safety Council.

[SPEAKER_04]: Since you have a product, you can get a booth and everything else.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I do see the advantage of, you know, doing cold calls, LinkedIn profiles, like through LinkedIn profiles, and see if there's somebody in your area that may need some help.

[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the use of technology is building.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't use AI that much.

[SPEAKER_02]: I use it in some, you know, house keeping tasks, stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there are some people out there that you can,

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a company called St. Louis A.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's an information scrubbing technology that you can search any name.

[SPEAKER_02]: type of industry by title, and it will scrub them, then or net for all of their information from cell phone work, email address, and all that stuff dependent on your tolerance of what you'd like to pay.

[SPEAKER_02]: And keep it up with your CRM stuff with contact sets you make that you want to follow up two or three months later with to make sure you get a list that you can follow

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I always hear that the key is follow-up because honestly, you get to see and meet a lot of people, but if they're not top of mind, then they can forget about you pretty much.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so how do you do that?

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you have any way of making everybody making yourself toppling too well trying to find their pain point?

[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of safety professionals this is a big pain point.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just not so aggressive because it doesn't happen all the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I know I've got Google alerts that come to my email every day for construction fire work, play shooting, and then I'll go dive into that incident, try to find the company involved on it and say, hey, they just had a pain point, and we've got a solution for them if they're willing to look at it, um, oh, that's great, the pain point can be very dear to somebody

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, companies just had a OSHA violation that doesn't have any type of safety inspector, you know, that is a huge red flag and they're going to have a big pain point that's going to be to the top of the pain point and we tried, you know, on the ground, the

[SPEAKER_02]: What your service are getting into the upper side with the money gas is been the more difficult task.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the decision makers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: No budget until it hits the project manager's bonus.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, hopefully, hopefully, sometimes we have to, you know, get to a point where

[SPEAKER_02]: You're fighting for yourself.

[SPEAKER_02]: You made the safe to go, and that safe to go, wants to fight for what you're providing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you can see that company.

[SPEAKER_02]: You made a front line guy, the foreman or superintendent that says, hey, we need to get safety more involved.

[SPEAKER_02]: We need inspections, we need this, we need that, and get them on your side fighting for you to help push your product.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's good.

[SPEAKER_04]: And as a companion thought, how do you use your product and the service that you guys provide?

[SPEAKER_04]: And then,

[SPEAKER_04]: get that where the actual user and user, they now get incorporated in it, they start using it and they don't get intimidated by what they have because there's some people that will love the product, love the service, and then all of a sudden they get intimidated and they've never get tossed.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is there like a, like, what do you do for that portion?

[SPEAKER_02]: So all product is pretty low technology, but high impact.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or when we go on the site and train, guys on it,

[SPEAKER_02]: the field staff.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a short 30, 45 minute training.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they are able to, from what we provide with our quick reference gods, they can train the next person within their safety cohort to operate the system.

[SPEAKER_02]: Keeping it simple at first, it can get detailed on the back in, but making sure they have outlet to reach out to us, make sure that when they do reach

[SPEAKER_02]: and that they feel that, hey, if we're using this, we have issue, it will be taken care of, or we have a training, something will come back out, and you know, depending on the relationship and no cost, just making the customer happy and making sure they like the product, they're using it, check back up on them a couple months after, say, hey, is everything going good, you need anything,

[SPEAKER_04]: and for those of you listening is Corey's telling you the path that he uses for keeping, I guess onboarding his clients the same thing for us in service field when you're trying to get out for a new relationship with your people that you're going to be consulting for, you got to do the follow-up to just to make sure that

[SPEAKER_04]: you just don't leave them with here's what I found in my moko shot and see you later how he got to help them with implementation see how you could get them to pick the things that are most important first and then work your way down that's all part of the full service.

[SPEAKER_04]: of consulting, it's not just finding fault.

[SPEAKER_04]: You gotta say what's next, so what do I do next?

[SPEAKER_04]: And every good business always has that idea of what can a, what's the client looking for next?

[SPEAKER_04]: And you answer that, that's me.

[SPEAKER_02]: And when you don't can't provide the need, they won't try to make sure your resources that you have close.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I like you've got somebody to do in-house training.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, have another consultant that does specific clean house training and are as a traffic specialist that you can provide the service via your network and bring them in with you or say we'll provide that service.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the cost and use your buddy or other consultant friend to do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: and don't be scared to put a markup, it doesn't have to be big, but if you have a trusted other safety professional to bring in under the umbrella, it helps a lot having multiple resources all around you.

[SPEAKER_04]: What do you say when that's great advice?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to share your code that in many way, so definitely markups or it's a referral thing, if you have a herd of affiliates, you have so many different organizations.

[SPEAKER_04]: If you like a product and you want to promote the product, it'll give you the bonus to it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's not going to cost you extra, so you know that affiliates are being used in many different ways.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're doing the same thing when you're helping promote someone else and they can do the service.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're looking for your client to get what they need.

[SPEAKER_04]: However, you can be the middle man if you would.

[SPEAKER_04]: Then that's fine to get a fee for that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So don't feel like you're doing anything unethical.

[SPEAKER_04]: People are constantly doing it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So just to add on to what Cory was saying there.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, Corey, let's say you're going to start your new safety officer, you're walking into let's say construction and it's a hotness and you now are responsible to break a bad habit and just pick any habit that you think of that would be the top bad habit you see when you're walking to a construction site.

[SPEAKER_04]: So tell us what that habit is for us and then how do you

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, depends on the habit, we'll just go with the easy one safety glasses so walking on the site, you know, you need to meet your the GC or owner and you want to try to establish hey, are they bought in on the safety side and find out if they are

[SPEAKER_02]: performing what they're supposed to when they go out into the workplace, because that's going to be hard to have to break if the plant manager or superintendents walking out on site without his safety glasses.

[SPEAKER_02]: And to go in, to make sure that's good.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then you can go out and get the blessings.

[SPEAKER_02]: So hey, look, this is something I see.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're not doing it, we need you to get on board.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then we can start addressing down the lawn.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of how I've seen it in the future.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, that's a good one because honestly, a lot of that behavior is modeled, so when the worker sees, especially the higher ropes not doing the same thing, that you should be doing, then they're not going to follow what, you know, your best supervisor or a form in this ignoring, they'll say, well, just mean that to you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Why do I have the debt?

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good answer.

[SPEAKER_04]: See you through that on you, and you just hit the ground one right there, but that one.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is there like a, let's say one company that may come to mind that there have practices and that do you think should be modeled from, and you'll have to give me the name, but the practices that should be modeled in many companies, if not all, anybody come to mind to people, clients, do you see that you're like, oh, they're doing this right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I wish everybody would do this.

[SPEAKER_02]: They implemented a safety leadership course through cat caterpillar.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was pretty cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've started from what top down.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody in the company went through the training.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they had follow-up training every six months.

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was pretty cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they're making sure everything comes down the lawn

[SPEAKER_02]: safety audit systems, they were electronic, but it's streamlined across the company.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen a few different models of the software, software can be a huge tool.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if anybody's heard of HB next,

[SPEAKER_02]: They're at HB, yeah, so they're out of Atlanta.

[SPEAKER_02]: They do safety consulting, but they've built a software platform that is all encompassed.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're great.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they've got everything as a consultant or a company could use to handle all their certifications, daily inspections, follow-ups, trainings, as pretty awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, he gave us another resource earlier.

[SPEAKER_04]: We'd seen this, so we'd see what they are.

[SPEAKER_04]: See what they are.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of right down right now.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's right in and down right now.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll move for those of you not seeing.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have a dry erase one.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have a dry erase one.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's my old school I am.

[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't get to teach upwards to 200 or so students every year for certified occupational safety specials program and certificate occupational safety manager and I see a lot of students come through.

[SPEAKER_04]: and they just look beef and down.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, honestly, like the management seems to only want to get OSHA compliance.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if they see somebody who's not doing something like wearing their eyeglasses, they got to write someone up so they could prove that they're doing something in safety, and they themselves feel like they're safety caught, if you would, and not really doing the fun.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, do you see that as well and how do you beat the safety cop persona if you did?

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I dealt with that myself trying to reconcile that when then my early career as a safety professional, because just getting into it, you're like, oh, I got to shut it down, make sure everybody's safe.

[SPEAKER_02]: you know saying hey they might have had a bad day today like what's on their mind their might safety's not top their mom because there's something else um so getting in found a person asking what their problem is how they get to where they're at without them wearing their safety glasses taken you know a second to care about what they're doing and then say hey

[SPEAKER_02]: I am going to give you a ding for this, or maybe it's the second or third time you give them a ding.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then we're going to retrain you.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is what it's got to be on that end.

[SPEAKER_02]: But following a more workers attitude of, hey, let's take care of the worker, and then look at the system and make sure the system in place is at here for them to do what they're

[SPEAKER_02]: um yeah I agree I think that you get the full system as being did we set this person up for a failure and a lot there's some mundane stuff you know I weren't for underground utility contractor for five years as a safety director

[SPEAKER_02]: And this one instant stands out, so they sent a crew out to go move some things at site, you know, not a big deal.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or a guy ends up straining this back and we get a back claim out of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you start going back down the project manager said, hey, go move this without them having a plan.

[SPEAKER_02]: The right tools, the right time of day.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like if all this stuff would have been

[SPEAKER_02]: thought about for three seconds this potentially could have been avoided by putting that worker in the wrong situation without the right tools in the wrong time of day.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can't just blame the worker for hurting his back for being incapable or being careless.

[SPEAKER_02]: He might have been careless at the moment, but the system in place put him in there to be careless.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now that's true.

[SPEAKER_04]: I always think about context and the mantra I tell my students is you have to find out when you're talking with the person is why do they do what they did at the time they did it for the reason.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's the mantra I keep saying as soon as you're doing your investigation and there's a human involved, their actions are for a reason.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you have to find out why do they do what they did at the time they did it for the reason they did it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if that mantra goes through and follows you, then you get true context and now there's capability, probably for the worker's actions, yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: But there might be greater capability of the situation, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it travels up the chain.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that form and

[SPEAKER_02]: didn't have a plan for them, they didn't go through their JHA, you know, that morning or the foreman got lost out of the communication of what that work was doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Who told him to go do this particular task and why did the project manager want them to complete this task within that certain point of time?

[SPEAKER_02]: So like you're saying, the capability, they can travel.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I had another thought that I want to get in and I know we can't manipulate your time, but what about the like when you deal with wearable technology and you have wearable technology?

[SPEAKER_04]: Is there a so-so synergy that wearable technology can have with your mobile communication

[SPEAKER_02]: whether by phone, base station on the pool, and it's, but is that wearable?

[SPEAKER_02]: Notify someone, on site that has the capability, then you could absolutely set it off.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there are plugins, so we've got wireless nodes that can tie in any wired alarm.

[SPEAKER_02]: So,

[SPEAKER_02]: carbon dioxide detector, smoke detector, water detection units.

[SPEAKER_02]: If it goes off, it can send a message back to the base station, say, hey, an event has been activated and it can text out to a group of people saying that hey, an alarm has been activated.

[SPEAKER_02]: an activated.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that's like an application programmable interface API.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I OK. Yeah, because I work with a lot of places that have what's called skaters systems supervised.

[SPEAKER_04]: the acquisition of the CAA and those data systems basically have somebody in the main control room, they see an alarm, the alarm goes off and then they take action.

[SPEAKER_04]: So if it's a data system tied into yours and then they now can get an event alarm and that's

[SPEAKER_04]: to high or hang your chlorine gas or ammonia gases and you'll trigger this location, start your emergency procedure at this location.

[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we can pre-record any pre-recorded message that you'd like.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have up 36 available slots that say if you wanted a different recording made to play out in the facility, we can have that done as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: I guess that's like a microculture that you have to use.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, perfect.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Awesome idea.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's really good idea.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, well, let's give you one last question.

[SPEAKER_04]: I already said one last but let's call more.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, work life balance.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know a lot of my listeners, I keep telling them, you can't just be doing stuff, work, and you've got to, you kind of, you know, sure run your business, but you don't let your business for you.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, what do you suggest to the audiences to get some balance with not only promoting yourself,

[SPEAKER_04]: also enjoying life.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you definitely have to have work life balance.

[SPEAKER_02]: If your mental state is not good, then your company or business is not going to be mentally good.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I, you know, I've taken time to spend time with my family, get out, exercise, go running.

[SPEAKER_02]: little fish and play golf every now and again, but you got to have it, and there's some days you don't want it to get up and do what you got to do, but then some days you can just take those days off for a mental health day and get back to it the next day.

[SPEAKER_02]: It happens to everybody, and

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't let it ever feel like you're the only person out there because it does happen to everybody.

[SPEAKER_02]: So take that day for yourself and do it and get back out of the next day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for now, that's real.

[SPEAKER_02]: Good way.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Corey, thank you so much for talking a little bit about your safety system management and the

[SPEAKER_04]: And honestly, you know, thank you so much for being part of the show.

[SPEAKER_04]: Tell everybody how to reach out to you and get a system yourself.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've got our website at www.safetysystemsmanagement.com.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've got LinkedIn, Facebook, and our website that you can contact us through directly.

[SPEAKER_02]: reach out to me directly.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think my cell phone is on our LinkedIn page so as email and feel free even if you want to chat get some advice.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm open for it any time.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's awesome, Corey.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much for being part of the show and everybody.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for listening and honestly, this has been an awesome time for us to get to know our new

[SPEAKER_04]: every one of you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you're welcome, man, and you know, she listening.

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