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A movement founded by doctors, for doctors, dedicated to empowering medical professionals to reclaim control over healthcare decisions and advocating for their fair share of the industry's resources.
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Justin Nabity
This is the Doc Nation podcast. We are a movement founded by doctors for doctors dedicated to empowering medical professional to reclaim control over health care decisions and advocating for their fair share of the industry's resources. Please note the views expressed are those of Doc Nation and not necessarily those of our Guest or Reference Health centers.
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Reid Lancaster
Doctor Sheldon, would you mind introducing yourself, please?
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Yeah, I'm Shel Taub. I'm a gastroenterologist. In practice since 1979. But I can give you a I'll. I'll give you the finer details in a few minutes. And, in fact...
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Justin Nabity
I love.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Our practice in east coast of Florida, in Palm Beach County.
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Reid Lancaster
Okay.
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Neil Dougherty
Great location.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Yeah, except when it's hurricane.
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Neil Dougherty
That's right.
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Justin Nabity
And, Sheldon, you were just telling us a moment ago. Keep going.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Okay. Anyhow. Well, as I was saying, to Justin, how I have the advantage over all you guys being old. I guess it's an advantage, but being old and knowing medicine. When I started out, as I was saying to him in medical school, they don't teach you the business aspect of medicine. They teach you how to diagnose and treat patients, but they don't teach you how to manage your practice.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Chiropractic school, they teach you that. And in dental school they actually have business courses. Medical school they don't. So when I started in 1979, it was almost embarrassing because I didn't know the first thing about how to start a practice. So what did I do? I didn't even know what to charge patients. So I had my wife and my mother call doctor's offices, my competitors and say, I need this.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
I need that was a doctor. And that's how I formulated my my first or
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Justin Nabity
yeah.
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Justin Nabity
Good research.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
And then what I found out was, again, this was 1979. There was you could almost if you worked hard, you made a great living. And and you kind of had to tweak it. You'd have to tweak your practice every once in a while. You had to negotiate for contracts, but the only way you negotiated for contracts and you didn't try to undersell somebody, you said I'll be available.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
So it wasn't like you know well Joe Joe Jones down the street charges $49. If I change charge 45 I'll get more. No. What I would say to the insurance companies, if you have patients if you're, if you're our carrier, as patients that I participate with, they call me. They call me weekends, nights, holidays. I'll make sure I answer.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
And that's how you started a practice. And I grew that practice, to, a two man, then a three man, then a five man, then a six man practice. So up until the late 90s, we had six gastroenterologists in North Palm Beach County. Now, that doesn't mean much to you guys, but when we moved to North Palm Beach County in 1979.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
My wife cried because across the street from the hospital was a farm. And she's from Michigan. I'm from Ohio. And she said, you're taking me out to the country. I don't want to practice in the country. And now if you saw what North Palm Beach County looks like it's like it's jammed. And um so we we really had the benefit of starting in an area that wasn't crowded.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
And we built a practice and had a great practice. And I can't complain. Then what happened is in the 90s, managed care came into effect - HMOs. And HMOs, I think, were the beginning of the end for doctors. You may or may not agree, but, I'll.
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Neil Dougherty
Say more about that.
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Justin Nabity
Tell us, tell us. So you think about it.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Well, what we'll do, I mean, I mean that, it was a numbers game. Was a numbers game with patients, and it’s the number numbers game with, with billing patients. And, somebody would come in and say, well, we'll give you our Blue Cross contract and you could see our well, you'll sign up with us and you can have our Blue Cross patients and they can come to see you, versus if they don't have blue cross, they'd have to pay out of pocket.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
We say, fine, we'll we'll do that. And just like everything else, for the year, they were great. Then the second year, when they would come in, negotiate the contract, they said, well, you you have 300 Blue Cross patients. We're going to cut back by 10%. All right. You can come back by 10%. We're still doing well. We're still taking care of your patients.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Two years later, negotiate the contract. Well, you know, times have changed, and, we've we started an HMO now, so rather than, pay you, a fee for service, we're going to pay you a flat amount, and you're going to take care of our patients whenever they call. And if you don't see anybody, that's great.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
If you see a lot of people, you take a hit. And we had to deal with that in the 90s and that was tough. And then we also had problems too. I'm not going to badmouth and of these insurance companies, but we had a problem with, getting paid, in other words. So I had to hire a health care attorney because one of the companies went eight months without sending us a payment.
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Justin Nabity
Now it's how can you operate a business if you don't get paid for eight months?
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Exactly, exactly. And, you know, so we're kind of robbing Peter to pay Paul. We.
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Justin Nabity
Yeah. Oh, absolutely.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
And Medicare was always reimbursing reasonably, but the private insurance companies were always kind of a hassle. They were always kind of a hassle. So, that's in the late 80s, early 90s when I decided if I don't speak up for myself and my fellow doctors, nobody's going to.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
So I started getting involved locally in politics. I became chief of medicine at one at both hospitals, became chief of staff at the hospital, and finally worked my way up to the president of the board of trustees of the hospital and, did it have any influence? I think it had some influence on health care. It certainly did have influence on reimbursement, but it did have an influence on how I can, implement health care to my patients.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
And then I kind of segued that into the state politics. I got involved with Florida Gastrointestinal Society. I was president of that. And, we had more not we're talking about the state society versus, you know, North Palm Beach County who really had some clout in dealing with insurance companies. Because if we got 600 gastroenterologists who are part of the society in the state of Florida and they have saved 14,000, 15,000 patients, you can you can carry some weight with the insurance companies where you couldn't if you had 50 patients or 100 patients.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
And then that kind of segued into national, I got involved in their College of Gastroenterology and I was governor for the state of Florida and was on several national committees. And the bottom line is, is that if you if the squeaky wheel gets oiled, if you don't speak up, nothing happens, right? Even if you speak up, not a lot happens, but at least you're being heard.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
And if you keep you know, my kids say I drive ‘em crazy because I keep saying over again.
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Justin Nabity
You have to!
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
But you know it. You got to do it.
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Justin Nabity
You got I love what you said about that. Because the squeaky wheel. What if every doctor was a squeaky wheel that didn't stop squeaking, and they just continued to be squeaky nonstop every week, every month they would be so loud. There would not be a way to silence it. It would be impossible. And you said on a quote recently that the biggest threat to physicians right now is losing autonomy and decision making, in spite of extensive training, they are told by non-medical personnel how to manage patients.
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Justin Nabity
And that's just, I think, echoes with everybody who's tuning in.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
It drives me crazy.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
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Justin Nabity
Us too!
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Now I'm I'm only working part time now versus full time, and and I'm working totally on my terms.
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Neil Dougherty
Good for you.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
I'm not going to the hospital. Not taking night call, but I still, when I see a patient, I sit down. I give them eye to eye contact. I don't have a computer in the room and my back to them.
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Justin Nabity
Someone else said that recently.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
I can't do that. You know, again, I'm old school. I was taught it way back when, before you guys were all born. Then if you talk to a patient long enough, they'll give you a diagnosis that you give them
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Justin Nabity
Aw. That’s good!
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
You have to give them the time. And and people don't want to do that. And I still call my patients.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
I call my patients, with their lab results, with their, Cat scan reports or MRI reports. Why do I do that? Partly out of my own OCD in that if I do it, I know it gets done. Number one. Number two, it cuts out the middleman. Who's the middleman? My medical assistant. If I say, okay, Carol, call so-and-so and say they're cat scan’s okay.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
She calls, says, ”Hi. Your Cat scan’s okay.” “Now what I do?” So she comes in to me, says, now what does he do? Tell him to do this. Okay. What? It just was much easier for me to be one stop shopping and, you know, I do it. Does it take more time? Yeah. Do I get reimbursed for that time? Definitely not.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Am I pissed off about that? Definitely. But that makes me sleep better at night.
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Reid Lancaster
So can you imagine getting a call from your doctor with lab results? That's never happened to me.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Well, this is like. Let me tell you something, okay? I get that all my patients who've been my patients for a long time, accept it and are aware of it and appreciate it, but, but. And I tell patients what I say. I'll call you with report when when I call them at 6:00 at night or 530. Now, what do you call me about?
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
I said, remember, I said I would call you. Everything's okay. But I just want to know. It all came back fine. There's not a problem. And, you know, the occasional patient will be ticked off. And you knowm why’re you calling me on a Saturday morning? Well, because the report came in Friday night. You know, that kind of thing.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
So,
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Justin Nabity
I love what you said about how patients, if you talk to them long enough, they give you the diagnosis like that is. And you said that you have an advantage over us with your experience, and that's the truth. You have more experience. You are more socially connected. You likely have done some smart, made some smart decisions along the way financially, like you're in the prime of your life to have the most to give.
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Justin Nabity
You're a wealth of information and knowledge. The wisdom that you have is right there, and it's like our system has gone so far off track that it can't even remember the fact that the patient has the diagnosis on their lips. You just need to get it.
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Justin Nabity
You just need to just take it off of their lips.
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Justin Nabity
They have it waiting for you.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Let them talk. Ask them some really pertinent questions, and they'll tell you what's going on. And if you spend enough time then too, you can kind of separate the wheat from the chaff. You can decide, is this important versus is this important, that kind of thing. It's true. It's really true. Yeah.
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Justin Nabity
What if every patient or every doctor had the ability to not have all the middlemen, all these different pieces? You got to have the time and you didn't have to share in the revenue with a bunch of other hands in the cookie jar. What if you and your team, you got to manage that yourself? What if every doctor could go back 40 plus years ago to what it used to be, and actually be able to have that relationship with their patient?
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Justin Nabity
We're in the worst shape as a nation, health wise, than we've ever been.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
I mean, I just read up the other day, I'm sure you read it, that, they rated the ten top health care systems in the world. It was like, Norway, Switzerland, Germany. All those... we’re number ten in the top ten in administering health care. That's sad, that's sad.
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Justin Nabity
Somehow we're number one in the world. Or we used to be in lots of respects. And now we're at the bottom of the ten.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Yeah.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
As a nation?
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Justin Nabity
Yeah.
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Justin Nabity
We could easily be number one.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
There's no question about it. I'm reading something this morning was get ready for this.
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Justin Nabity
Yeah.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
This is a headlines in today's newspaper business section. Quote, companies expect 6% bump in health care next year. End of quote. Certainly that 6% isn't going in my pocket.
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Justin Nabity
No, no.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
It's you were talking about the middle man. You know you got these PBMs.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
You're familiar with PBMs. We know I'm on the Florida GI board and, for a GI board of directors, and we voted to, outlaw in GI PBMs as much as we can. I don't know how effective that's going to be, but that's a middle man who comes in, he's making 10 to 20% on the amount of money between what the manufacturer makes for a drug and what the patient pays, that's ridiculous.
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Justin Nabity
The entire health care field with the people who actually see patients is built off of goodwill and trust. Right? And it's like all that goodwill and all these, the intentions of all of these practitioners while they go out and do this work a little by little, it's just been extracting, exploiting. It's just been nothing but exploiting nonstop with the example that you're talking about.
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Justin Nabity
So, Sheldon, what would you say are some things that could be done? What direction do you want to see health care go with regard to the shift? I mean, this has been a 40 year erosion of quality, erosion of value and in control for doctors. What what do you see is the way to turn this around?
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Okay. Well, I was writing down a couple of things, getting ready for this. And, you know, in every business, the bottom line is always money. You guys know that. I know that. You know you can. I mean, I volunteer, I give my services, I don't get paid for. That's a small percentage. I wouldn't do that if I couldn't afford to do that.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
It's always about money. Medicare's cut back 22% on doctor reimbursement since 2002. Now, that means what other profession has had to cut back like that. So I think, you know, you you had mentioned earlier on, unionizing.
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Justin Nabity
Yep.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
I think doctors are afraid to do that. I remember because a union, the term union comes into the layperson's mind... oh it's like the teamsters and and throwing bricks and carrying pickets and blocking people from going in.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
That's not unionizing. You can unionize it in a way that that will support physicians. But not but it has it has to be tactfully done. I think that's one of the things.
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Justin Nabity
Yeah.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Number two, I think physicians need to be more involved in their rules and regulations. They really do. Like like we were talking about.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
You said I made a comment, getting, a reimbursement for, authorization for a procedure. It's it's embarrassing to my integrity that I should be talking to a retired gynecologist in Tuscaloosa, Alabama about a Cat scan.
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Justin Nabity
Yeah,.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
And he's looking at a chart that my ten year old grandson would look at and say, you need to go from A to B, Poppy.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
No, you don't go from 80 because A to B doesn't always make sense. Sometimes you can go from A to D and you can cut out a lot of extraneous cost. But it just that whole thing is just wrong. It really is.
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Justin Nabity
How do they get involved? So what can they do though, if if people that are listening in, what can they do to get more involved in the rulemaking? Because that's really what you're saying.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
What do we do? Yeah, I gotta speak up. You gotta speak up. You have to be willing to put that extra time into into your life, your livelihood, into what you do to get, have, affect any effect is better than no effect. So if a bunch of people get involved and and they seem to influence other people.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
I mean, you have to have your, your people in your area that have some influence, too. You take a guy who really is not, or a person, I’ve got to be careful about saying “guy”. You take a person in your area who's not, well respected or well known, and he starts shaking the cage. Nobody's gonna listen. But if you take somebody who has some authority in your area and he starts speaking, other people start listening.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
I think. I think, yeah, and DocNation is the way to go with some of that too. I think, again, I told you earlier, I think if you got, you have to get your, your I mean, I read about you and I read these sites, and I'll mention some people and so don't do I don't know how to get how to get that information out any better.
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Justin Nabity
Yeah. You're right, the word needs to get out. Doctors need to have to the confidence to come together. To be able to speak.
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Reid Lancaster
No matter where you're at in the nation, if you see DocNation or Shel, if you want to send this out to people, send us an email. We'll set up a meeting. And no matter where you're at in the nation, we will teach you and show you, how to get your voice heard. So we'll build a plan with you and for you, no matter where you're at.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Like, I think that's critical again. I'm rounding third. I'm on my way home here, and my my involvement is getting to be less and less, but I deal with, I'm. I'm practicing now with, it's it's kind of sad. I gotta be careful what I say. But I'm practicing guys with guys now, people now that they just want to come in, get paid, and leave.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
And that's sad to me.
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Justin Nabity
You're saying you find that there are doctors that aren't necessarily as...
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Reid Lancaster
They’re there for the paycheck.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
Thery’re there for the paycheck.
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Justin Nabity
It's the call it the culture, the generation that we're in. It's I mean, we're seeing that not just in health care that's across the board, but, yeah, the the care and concern.
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Reid Lancaster
Yeah, but Justin, health care is different though. Remember, I, I share this, you know, we're sitting there eating eating dinner and we see our family doctor and my dad make sure to pay for his dinner. There's a different level of reverence that physicians should have. What they go through to become a physician is different than 99% of professions out there.
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Justin Nabity
Yeah.
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Reid Lancaster
So so physicians ought to not just be there for a paycheck.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
I agree, I'm a 100%,
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Reid Lancaster
But the deterrent....
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Reid Lancaster
I'm sorry to interrupt, but the deterrent for a physician to be there for other than a paycheck is so large, it's tough to blame a physician for that.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
No. You know, the average doc starts off with $240,000 in debt. I mean, that's crazy. I mean, I remember going to my 15 year high school reunion, 15 years, I, I was in my I just finished my residency, my fellowship. I was getting ready to start practice. I think it's maybe six months in my practice. And I'm talking to guys, again, this back in the 70s, I'm talking to guys and they say, well, how are you doing?
00:21:28:23 - 00:21:51:03
Dr. Sheldon Taub
I said, well, I just started out, I'll probably make $60,000 this year. These guys are making $150,000 a year and doing it for five, six years before me. And, and you say, woah. But you can't go, you can't do anything just for the money. And that's and that's a problem because if you go into medicine, just for the money, you're missing out.
00:21:51:05 - 00:22:15:23
Dr. Sheldon Taub
You're missing out. To me, to me, this is a, one of the questions I think Betsy asked me. What was my incentive to go into it? Well, I had a little bit of a background because my father was a pharmacist, so he was exposed to physicians. But but for some reason, I thought, kind of. I need to get somebody better, make them better, to make them say thank you.
00:22:16:02 - 00:22:17:05
Justin Nabity
Oh, yeah.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
You know, and and so when it so when and I was always good at science is always good math. So that was, that was a no brainer that I could do that. You know, I applied to business school and I got into business school, but I don't want to do that. You know, people may say thank you for making the money, but you can't...
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
When you say, “Thank you for getting me better.” That's the best.
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Justin Nabity
That's powerful.
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Neil Dougherty
Is really powerful. I would have to imagine that most.
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Neil Dougherty
People that go through medical school and set up a plan to be a doctor probably feel the same way, but I if having $240,000 in debt, you'd be focused on that a lot.
00:23:01:20 - 00:23:25:09
Dr. Sheldon Taub
Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. I think, you know now some of the states I know Michigan and Florida are subsidizing and maybe even paying for the full boat for some people, if they agree to go to certain areas in the state when they finish. And, and that's, that's a decent idea. I think it's a decent idea, but I think, I think it's more it's not just medicine.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
The tuition in college has gotten out of hand. It really has. It's it's crazy. It was expensive when I went, but now it's it's almost prohibitive, you know.
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Neil Dougherty
Yeah. Yeah.
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Dr. Sheldon Taub
You can't be a, a, underprivileged person. You get into school without a scholarship. It's just not going to happen. So.
00:23:46:23 - 00:24:09:22
Justin Nabity
Well we appreciate you coming on Sheldon. This is why we exist is to get a place to have people like you share what you've seen happen. And the track that we're on continues to go the wrong direction. You've watched it completely change. You said it was I think earlier before we jumped on about It's laughable how much different things are today compared to how they used to be.
00:24:09:24 - 00:24:23:05
Justin Nabity
And for the young doctor who’s, starting now, like, I wasn't planning on sharing this, but I have a cardiologist right now that's like, “I just finished fellowship. I'm starting my job right now. I don't want to be a cardiologist anymore.”
00:24:23:07 - 00:24:23:19
Dr. Sheldon Taub
Great.
00:24:23:19 - 00:24:25:19
Justin Nabity
How's that possible?
00:24:25:21 - 00:24:31:15
Justin Nabity
Ten years and you're done being a cardiologist. You haven’t even started. It makes no sense.
00:24:31:17 - 00:24:32:08
Dr. Sheldon Taub
Yeah.
00:24:32:10 - 00:24:49:19
Justin Nabity
So we exist to make it possible for you to have your voice heard, to rally the voices in your workplace, among your colleagues. Whatever you need help with, just reach out to us. We'll get you connected with all the people and the places and.
00:24:49:21 - 00:24:50:14
Dr. Sheldon Taub
All of it.
00:24:50:16 - 00:24:57:08
Justin Nabity
Massive network and that's what we're here for. So whatever we can do to support you, Sheldon or your colleagues.
00:24:57:10 - 00:25:15:07
Dr. Sheldon Taub
Great. I have a question for you. Again, I mentioned a little while ago, but I'm still on the Florida, GI board, gastrointestinal board of directors. We have bi-yearly meetings. Is there a way I can get you guys involved with one of those meetings?
00:25:15:09 - 00:25:15:24
Justin Nabity
Yes,yes.
00:25:15:24 - 00:25:16:23
Reid Lancaster
We would love to.
00:25:17:23 - 00:25:18:19
Neil Dougherty
Thank you.
00:25:18:21 - 00:25:39:03
Dr. Sheldon Taub
Yeah. No, I would, and and what we what we usually do, it's usually a, between a two and three day meeting. Two and a half, three day meeting. But if we can have you guys come in and just do some blurb on what you do, 20 minutes in front of, you know, 200, 250 GI docs?
00:25:39:06 - 00:25:40:24
Justin Nabity
Absolutely.
00:25:41:01 - 00:25:43:17
Dr. Sheldon Taub
That I think that would mean a lot.
00:25:43:19 - 00:25:46:03
Reid Lancaster
We would love to do that. That's why we exist.
00:25:46:05 - 00:25:47:08
Dr. Sheldon Taub
Yeah, well, that's great to know.
00:25:47:08 - 00:26:04:15
Reid Lancaster
Because one thing I don't like to get on here and do is say, hey, doctors, you make your voice heard. Most doctors are so focused. They're so stressed out. It's like, okay, I'll just. What do you want me to do, lay in bed and shout, hey, this sucks. Yeah. No. Reach out to Doc Nation. We'll help your voice be efficiently heard.
00:26:04:17 - 00:26:10:12
Reid Lancaster
And Sheldon, you just let us know when and where, and we'll be there and just 20 minutes worth of info.
00:26:10:14 - 00:26:28:14
Dr. Sheldon Taub
You got it? You got it. Because I, the, the director, I talked with him regularly, and, if he doesn't have the. I know if you guys have a whole March meeting planned up already filled with slots, I'll let you know. Otherwise, it could be either March or September.
00:26:28:17 - 00:26:44:02
Reid Lancaster
Whatever it is, we'll make it work for us. Hey, Sheldon. Thank you for making a decision. Making the decision. Whenever you made the decision to speak up and make your your voice heard, you didn't need to be the chief of staff. You didn't need to do all those things. They probably weren't high paying if paying at all.
00:26:44:04 - 00:26:45:23
Dr. Sheldon Taub
They weren’t paid, no.
00:26:46:00 - 00:26:47:24
Reid Lancaster
Yeah. So thank you...
00:26:47:24 - 00:26:50:14
Dr. Sheldon Taub
Now it's all being paid. But it wasn't when I did it.
00:26:50:16 - 00:26:55:01
Reid Lancaster
Thank you. Thank you for for your, your your servant leadership. And we appreciate that.
00:26:55:05 - 00:26:56:06
Dr. Sheldon Taub
My pleasure.
00:26:56:08 - 00:26:57:20
Neil Dougherty
Thanks for the time too.
00:26:57:22 - 00:26:59:14
Dr. Sheldon Taub
Yeah. You're welcome.
00:26:59:16 - 00:27:01:12
Reid Lancaster
All right, Sheldon, nice to meet you.
00:27:01:14 - 00:27:02:21
Dr. Sheldon Taub
Nice talking to you. All right.
00:27:02:21 - 00:27:06:10
Reid Lancaster
Bye bye.
00:27:06:12 - 00:27:23:07
Justin Nabity
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