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Welcome to Make Your Passion Pay, hosted by LuAnn Buechler, a seasoned leader with a master’s degree in Hospitality Administration and a recipient of the TLC Award for Leadership. This podcast is designed for business owners who have left toxic environments to create their own thriving workplaces but find themselves struggling with team building and mindset. Join LuAnn as she shares insights and strategies to help you cultivate joy and a positive mindset in your business and personal life. Drawing from her experience working with renowned leaders like Dr. Ivan Misner, LuAnn guides you in building a supportive community and mastering the art of people management. Each episode offers practical advice and inspiring stories to empower you to transform your work environment into one that reflects your values and passions. Tune in to discover how to lead with joy, foster meaningful connections, and truly make your passion pay.
Welcome back to the Make Your Passion Pay podcast, glad you're here to listen with us today. Of course, we talked about the playbook on how to make your passions pay using the six Cs: clarity, connection, community, collaboration, creativity, and commitment. Super excited to have with me today a new friend, Kimberly Petschen. Kimberly is an ICF professional certified coach, speaker, writer, and founder of Presents of Peace. We need to hear more of that, where she helps individuals and organizations reconnect with authenticity, purpose, and whole human leadership. Love that language too. With more than 35 years of experience leading transformation within organizations, including AT&T, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Universal Orlando Parks Technology, Disney Parks and Resorts, and Fox Corporation, Kimberly has coached, trained, and mentored more than 4,500 professionals across Fortune 100 companies and small businesses. She is also the author of Lead Letters to Leaders, and holds a BS in management information systems from the University of Minnesota along with professional certifications spanning coaching, organizational transformation, and healing practices. Welcome, Kimberly.
(00:10:01.198) Kimberly Petschen: Wow, it sounds very impressive
(00:10:03.098) LuAnn Buechler: when you
(00:10:03.598) Kimberly Petschen: read it out loud like that.
(00:10:05.698) LuAnn Buechler: Right. That's good. You know, we probably need more people to read that to us to remind us of our accomplishments because we so easily forget them. We so easily forget them.
(00:10:18.898) Kimberly Petschen: And then move on to the next
(00:10:20.998) LuAnn Buechler: thing, right? So you do leadership and organizational development. Tell us more about your focus, your specific approach.
(00:10:35.998) Kimberly Petschen: Well, my specific approach actually spans from the experience that I had doing formal corporate transformations, where you go in and I develop like a blueprint or a road map to find out like, where are we right now? Where do we want to get to and how do we improve on the mindsets and processes to get us to that North Star, if you will? So I did that for so many years, but there was always a component missing with some of the leadership layers, management and above. Where if you come in and you're doing a transformation—and a transformation in my language means moving from traditional project management, you know, that came out of the 60s, 70s, 80s, and then we in the 2000s went into agile, which is a faster way to get products to market, which is kind of how I think we were able to fast track and get things like AI out there. But what happens when we do that is we scale really fast and we forget about the culture and we forget about the human aspect, and we want to be the next best thing to the market and people get kind of forgotten about. There's a lot of fear that gets introduced to the cultures, if you will, and the people that I had coached, I've often found myself just really holding sacred space for them in the corporate environment where that's not normally a thing that is acceptable, if you will. Yes. So oftentimes I would joke and say like, yeah, I'm a coach, I'm a VP of this, and I'm also sometimes a psychologist. But, you know, just sometimes there's blockers and people that you have to get through in order for them to believe in the work that they're doing, perform better, and just, you know, really unlock some of those fears and get them through them. So I would do some more personal coaching on top of the professional coaching and that's what I do now. But I also now have really embraced my ancestral lineage and my ancestral knowledge to really start restoring us back to reconnecting with some of those beliefs and practices that our ancestors knew on how to hold a community together. I believe that belongs in the corporate space.
(00:12:46.498) LuAnn Buechler: Oh my gosh, I love all of that. So nicely said as well. And I was just at a conference on culture. And one of the conversations, multiple times throughout the conference, was about psychological safety. So I think that's a new buzzword coming into the conversation, but really what you're saying is what they were saying. We need to be more human-centric.
(00:13:22.398) Kimberly Petschen: True. Yeah, it's very true. It's not about the features and how fast you can beat out your competitor. It really is about how you can develop the people that you have. That's why I don't like the word human resources. I mean, when I think of resources, I think of cash. I think of mining things out of the gold mines and the coal mines, if you will. But I think people need to be developed and honored for the value and gifts that they not only are born with and bring to the table, but also the skills and experience that they bring to the table. So finding a way to value that and honor that within the person is what creates that psychological safety. We've been using that word in corporate spaces for a long time, and I can see it's spreading now across the whole business world. With AI really introducing a lot of uncertainty, and the world introducing so much uncertainty, I think that psychological safety goes a little bit deeper than that too. It's also the spiritual and the soul side of the human.
(00:14:26.398) LuAnn Buechler: Right? I see where you're going with that. You know, I think when I was in corporate America, human resources was an afterthought department. Kind of a necessity to run people through it, but not really to develop people and honor people. I love that language. We need to develop and honor people, and that includes honoring the whole person, which is where your whole human leadership comes in, right? Super cool. I understand your questioning of the word resources, but if we had only positioned it better, to say your human beings are your greatest resource, your greatest
(00:15:23.298) Kimberly Petschen: assets
(00:15:24.198) LuAnn Buechler: because they make the magic happen, you don't get a product to Market with without those human beings.
(00:15:32.798) Kimberly Petschen: Absolutely. Yes. And there's a lot of practices, and I've seen this in the small companies as much, but even more—especially more—at the very large companies, as you listed out in the beginning. Some of those companies that I've worked with—well, there's probably a hundred other companies that I've also had the privilege and honor to serve. So I recognize some of the similar patterns, and it seems to be just across the board. I mean, it starts to be about the bottom line more than anything, and I don't appreciate that people become the expenditure. Hmm. It's like we want to go faster, we want to go harder, we want to evolve and innovate, but then we leave the people behind and then hand them their pink slip.
(00:16:20.098) LuAnn Buechler: You know,
(00:16:20.298) Kimberly Petschen: We develop and automate these processes where there's other skills and talents—where, like you said, they're assets to us. And we should be using that instead of sending them back out into the—now that you've created more fear, you've fed some wounds that might have already been there. And that's one of the things about some of the work that I do: I go from wounds to wisdom. I really
(00:16:43.598) LuAnn Buechler: have time
(00:16:44.698) Kimberly Petschen: have time to identify patterns in the wounds that are left behind in the way that we have traditionally looked at leadership and management of people. And then I take us through the process of identifying, being aware of what those wounds are, you know, being a student of bringing wisdom to actually heal—like bringing some healing virtues into how do we get through those wounds and just evolve. We look at work, how we look at people, how we look at each other collectively?
(00:17:18.598) LuAnn Buechler: I love that. So people don't often want to look back at their wounds, but if we just bury them, they become viruses. That's what I call it when there's conflict within a company; there's a virus that's going on and it's from those wounds where people experienced the lack of psychological safety.
(00:17:42.998) Kimberly Petschen: Absolutely.
(00:17:44.198) LuAnn Buechler: When people feel distrust or like they no longer can trust others, more wounds,
(00:17:52.898) Kimberly Petschen: Yes,
(00:17:53.398) LuAnn Buechler: Right? We speak in the same language, you're Kimberly.
(00:17:56.498) Kimberly Petschen: The same language in your entering into the territory of actually what I cover in my book, from Letters to Leaders. And what I do is I take you through a journey. So, the way the book is built, it has 13 letters and it says their team chapter, where the letter is the raw voice of, you know, the wound and how the wounds, for instance, listening, trust, silence. Those are the first three chapters of my book. And it's really about how we've, you know, the leader who forgot how to listen. And then, the chapter really goes into the neuroscience and the wisdom behind how our ancestors used listening. And then, you know, trust, the same thing. It's like, how do we take in all of our experiences from the outer world with trust and it erodes away? And that chronic erosion of trust then makes us not trust ourselves and we're not trusting ourselves and we don't even, you know, research, second guessing ourselves, we start silencing ourselves, which brings me into the third chapter and on and on. The whole book really explores those wounds at their core and really, you know, just speaks to that leader or speaks to that person who has been, not just that leader, but on the receiving end of some of those wounds. And then what it looks like to turn that mirror and flip it on its head, basically, and be like, how can we come out of this? How can we be better listeners? How can we rebuild trust, and trust again, what's inside of us and how can we use silence as a tool? You know, when you talk, you have the most wisdom where you can actually quiet your mind. But when you're actually silenced at work, you know, I have had experiences where I have been told to shut up in meetings. And I'm like, I can't even finish my sentence, you know, or I would be sharing some key insights, you know, based on my experience. And then the gentleman to my right would say the same thing with slightly different language and they're like, oh, that's great, you know, and then so that got me to really stop speaking up. It started to silence and quiet my voice sometimes, and I found myself withdrawing and I see this in a lot of the people that I coach too, is like, those subtle ways that we silence each other, like, man, listening, trust, and silence are three of the top wounds that, I mean, this society could benefit from healing.
(00:20:21.698) LuAnn Buechler: Listening, trust, and silence. I know I was thinking as you were talking,
(00:20:34.098) Kimberly Petschen: Yeah.
(00:20:35.198) LuAnn Buechler: A different angle on silence, and that I think, I'm noticing employees, team members, feeling like their leadership is silent in that they're not sharing enough with them. Yes, they're not being vulnerable enough, authentic enough, and that's so important in today's world. And it occurred to me that CEO and other leaders get so focused on the task at hand of creating the profits that they're up here on a different level rather than down in the heart. They're up here, they're living in the brain and not in the heart. And we have to go back to the heart, and we have to care about our people and they will help get the results. So we've kind of got it backwards right now.
(00:21:34.098) Kimberly Petschen: Yes, you hit that. You hit the heart of it.
(00:21:37.898) LuAnn Buechler: Love
(00:21:38.498) Kimberly Petschen: That, you know. And one thing is I've learned and you know, as you were talking it was like yes that is the key right there, is that even the leader, and it's not just the leader or the CEO, this spans across society.
(00:21:53.798) LuAnn Buechler: It goes, of course,
(00:21:54.998) Kimberly Petschen: The leader of the household, right? So you have so many, you got to get the food on the table, you have so many things that you have to do and you forget like, okay, but you're also bringing up a future generation here and there needs to be some room for that vulnerability. You can't just be the boss in the house kind of thing. So I was a single mother and I learned a lot of hard-won lessons and my son is an amazing young man in spite of me. I was a very young single mother, you know. So, and now as I'm older and I can reflect back and I'm like, gosh, I've had almost every experience you could possibly think of as a single mother, like bank account going almost to zero and I'm like, oh my gosh, so that becomes the main focus and you just look at this little kid. But when you talk about even get trained on different ways that our voices are not heard, and then that carries into school, college, to work, and all these places. And a wise man once said, and it just stuck with me, there is no wisdom in the thinking mind, you've got to drop into your heart. You have to feel from
(00:23:04.698) LuAnn Buechler: your. Oh my gosh.
(00:23:05.998) Kimberly Petschen: That's where intuition comes from. But we're constantly firing, like you said, from up in the head, that we forget, and that's where the intuitive and the restorative and the healing modalities that I work with my clients as well. Sometimes I'm doing that kind of behind the scenes and subtly because, you know, sometimes it might be a little too woo or what have you for
(00:23:28.698) LuAnn Buechler: corporate and
(00:23:29.398) Kimberly Petschen: just bypass all the judgment and just start working from my heart to a particular situation, and this particular company, and where are the roots of these wounds and how, you know, what's the path to the wisdom of it?
(00:23:46.898) LuAnn Buechler: I have to practice what I preach right now because I'm gonna be a little vulnerable. I just had a moment ever since my husband's medical situation and retirement. I have been so focused on keeping our household bottom line and financial world together that I think that I have let down my family and extended family, and they probably feel like I'm silent, like I'm in my own world, because I have been. Because I have been in my own world, in my own head, trying to keep everything that needs to be done for the household and my business functioning in a positive way. And then that has been missed, oh, goodness.
(00:24:47.098) Kimberly Petschen: And
(00:24:47.498) LuAnn Buechler: love that. When I have a moments on the podcast,
(00:24:50.198) Kimberly Petschen: I am so happy to witness this myself, but it's those moments you're down in your laptop and I can definitely relate, be like, oh my gosh, my bank account is hungry. I've got to take care of this house. And then, you know, one of the kids or the husband, they want something, you're like, just one moment. Let me finish this meeting. I've got to go into this meeting. I've got to do this and then that. What you're doing is reflected back to you by them. They maybe don't come to you more, right.
(00:25:18.098) LuAnn Buechler: Let's break
(00:25:19.998) Kimberly Petschen: Frequently, because that is a form of kind of silence and it's like, well, she doesn't have time for me anyways. And you know, so then that kind of is like a seed of a wound, if you will. But there's a way through it, right? There's the
(00:25:35.798) LuAnn Buechler: acknowledgment
(00:25:36.498) Kimberly Petschen: and the awareness and the conversation that comes from your heart with
(00:25:39.498) LuAnn Buechler: Yeah, people that are affected. So, I want to make another point here for my audience. When people talk about transformation, and they're not used to that word, it's overwhelming. Like, I'm gonna have to change everything. And I want to remind you, right, my tagline is just a little spark of change can make a huge impact, and it's something as little as that aha moment that I just had. And how did I hear that? I heard that from a conversation I'm involved in. We're not hearing these transformational messages like they're booming from the clouds or the angels, no. They're right here in our day to day. And oftentimes what may be frustrating us in our team are things that we're doing. And we might have trained our team unconsciously to act that way. So ask yourself what you're irritated about around you. Where are you doing that in your life? I'm having goosebumps. I'm having goosebumps because that's exactly it, right? And I love that when I hear those messages and I go, that one was for me. Yeah, I thought I was teaching you something, but no, that one was for me and it came out of my own mouth.
(00:27:13.798) Kimberly Petschen: Yeah, I have any of the transformations I've done, you know, in the corporate or in the personal coaching spaces, it is always one tiny step at a time. One little spark of awareness.
(00:27:23.598) LuAnn Buechler: and
(00:27:24.198) Kimberly Petschen: That is one of the things that I use is really reflection and powerful questions instead of coming with all the answers, right? It's just like asking myself, like, why did that make me feel some kind of way? Because you have those moments, your body intuitively tells you when something is slightly off, and then just to reflect back where, you know, a change in the energy of the person that you're interacting with, what, you know, what was that about? Like, later reflecting on it. That's that little caterpillar moment that then it goes into its cocoon. And then at one point I'm like, oh my gosh, that's what it was, that's what it was for, and this beautiful butterfly could come out on the other side and fly out and make a difference. So that's
(00:28:05.398) LuAnn Buechler: Still,
(00:28:05.698) Kimberly Petschen: That's really the heart of
(00:28:08.298) LuAnn Buechler: I want to say another piece that just popped in my head and feels important to say. So, silence is good. Sometimes when you're doing self-reflection, and we need to do that too. Also, what came to mind is trigger, is that stress you're having, that stress and anxiety you're feeling in your body should trigger, "I need to get silent, center, and really identify what's really going on for me, for my family, for my organization." To really tune in, because we get so lost. Michael Egger said, we get so lost in the conflagration of our own life. You can't see the forest through the trees anymore and
(00:29:04.498) Kimberly Petschen: So,
(00:29:04.798) LuAnn Buechler: That kind of silence to reflect, to gather your thoughts before you speak, before you make major changes, to really go into that is important. Which brings me to a question now. Presents of Peace. Presents, I was thinking before our interview this morning, huh, how does she spell presents? Is that like being present, or is it presents with others? You spell it presents, TS not CE. So tell us about Presents of Peace.
(00:29:46.698) Kimberly Petschen: Well, you just mentioned two of the three meanings, but it's also gift, right? A present is also a gift and being present in the present moment, being present with others. And that is like the root of all, like being able to listen, being able to sit in silence takes presence and presents. To me, it is a gift so that, you know, Presents of Peace was spelled that way because it has so many different meanings spelled that way. So it could, and it's mostly what I offer, I feel, is gifts of peace. Yes,
(00:30:19.598) LuAnn Buechler: you need a book on this with that
(00:30:21.698) Kimberly Petschen: title. I have a book coming up
(00:30:25.798) LuAnn Buechler: This and think so. That's excellent, right? Because there are so many meanings to being present. Yes, right? And what's the result when you live fully present in the moment? There's more peace. Absolutely, because I'm not worrying about the future. I'm not trying to fix the past that you can't anyway. Right, I'm not feeling anxious when I'm truly present. Oh, and I just got that as long as we've known each other, I just really got that. So great.
(00:31:04.398) Kimberly Petschen: Well, I'm glad because a lot of this does happen in conversation and that's why I'm excited to kind of reemerge. As you know, I've had in the last 22 months, three major surgeries and I still show up and I still just keep coming up, but it's so time for this kind of work because a gift of peace and finding a way to be present of peace could be as simple as closing the laptop for five minutes and taking a walk barefoot outside, walking or standing under a tree and just, you know, they have that little thing like, oh, I'm hugging a tree and people thought people were weird, but leaning up on a tree and just engaging with grounding into the earth is the most amazing, fastest, free medicine and gives you so much access to being present. And it doesn't take that long, and water, if you can stand at the edge of water and just feel and listen to water hitting the edge of the shore and those kinds of things, they're just small little things you can do to really reset your body and reconnect your body to, well, the mother that holds you, this planet, right? And the planet has all of the healing energy. You know, people use medicine, they use pharmaceuticals, they use all these different ways that I'm like, oh my gosh, step outside and take your shoes off.
(00:32:22.998) LuAnn Buechler: So great. I work from my home and I take a little stroll down to my mailbox in the afternoon to break up the day and breathe the fresh air and be outside. And so, you're right, it can be super simple, like five minutes or less even, right? To go walk to your mailbox and get your mail to just separate from the computer. I had a day yesterday where I was on my computer for eight hours and I felt it. I felt it. At the end of the day, I was just done. I was so done with the computer. And I did take that five-minute walk yesterday too because I was feeling the constraint of being so tied to the computer. Yeah. Oh goodness, so I'm a
(00:33:11.698) Kimberly Petschen: really great.
(00:33:15.898) LuAnn Buechler: Well, and it's the thing we skip in our busy, busy lives. It's those little important moments that are the things we skip. Giving your kids a hug before you leave in the morning, your spouse a kiss, you know? Oh, we're too busy, rushing out the door, and yet that human connection, that touch, so important. That hug movement that I have has taught me that there are so many people that fail to get a simple hug.
(00:33:54.298) Kimberly Petschen: Yeah,
(00:33:54.598) LuAnn Buechler: and it's okay to hug and business, by the way.
(00:33:59.098) Kimberly Petschen: It
(00:33:59.398) LuAnn Buechler: absolutely
(00:33:59.998) Kimberly Petschen: is. And if it's uncomfortable because there are a lot of cultures as well, you know, just the physical touch or even cultures can get offended by a little touch, or what have you. But if it is okay, you know, a little touch on the shoulder, it's with the intention of positivity, intention of love, intention of, you know, love is not a dirty word even at corporate, okay? People, and it's the kind of thing that's missing in this country and this society, in this world, is just that common collective that we, you know, if we could just come back to loving each other, and I don't mean
(00:34:41.498) LuAnn Buechler: the big simple. I mean just
(00:34:43.398) Kimberly Petschen: having compassion for Humanity. The
(00:34:45.698) LuAnn Buechler: thing that
(00:34:46.198) Kimberly Petschen: we have in common, you know, a simple touch on the shoulder, a simple, you know, just
(00:34:50.198) LuAnn Buechler: when you
(00:34:50.698) Kimberly Petschen: know, looking at mile, anything to just
(00:34:54.398) LuAnn Buechler: write
(00:34:54.998) Kimberly Petschen: Writing somebody's day. A little bit of that and healing.
(00:34:58.498) LuAnn Buechler: Blood on a highlight, a point here. And in my book, I hugged my journey as a hugger. Dr. Ivan Misner is quoted by saying that you just have to ask. Like if you feel uncomfortable, you ask, can I give you a hug? It's just that simple and you're getting permission. He was never a hugger before. We got him to the tree hugging and then we moved to human being, but,
(00:35:34.998) Kimberly Petschen: I mean, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off. I just wanted to share, you know, I've been on the road in my RV for the last almost three years, two and a half years solid, and being in all these different places: in the desert, in the mountains, in the hills, in the forest, and the jungles, and all these different historical places. The number one thing and thread that I have found in all of this is reconnecting to what is all of us. I mean, and I recognized at one point, I'm like, the air moves through all of us. That is how we're connected. We're all connected. We are all one, and it's preached like this in all spiritual backgrounds, all those kinds of things. And that's why restoring us back to that, what it means to actually be humans, means restoring us back to being able to touch, love, hold, hug each other, and really honor, like go just full circle back to honoring the value that we bring to each other and to the world.
(00:36:26.398) LuAnn Buechler: I want to go back to that love word. So another friend and mentor of mine, Steve Farber, wrote Love is Just Damn Good Business.
(00:36:38.698) Kimberly Petschen: Right.
(00:36:39.098) LuAnn Buechler: That's the name of his book and the simple foundation is, if you want your customers to love you, you need to love your employees. They're on the front lines of your customers, right? And so it's a cycle and it is love. We need to love what we're producing and sharing with the world, we need to love the people we work around. We need to spread that love and joy, which will attract customers in, and what do we want them to say? We love what you do.
(00:37:16.398) Kimberly Petschen: Yeah.
(00:37:19.398) LuAnn Buechler: And so absolutely the word love belongs in business.
(00:37:24.198) Kimberly Petschen: Yeah, that's the one. Four letter word that I think we should get used to.
(00:37:27.398) LuAnn Buechler: Yeah. Well, and again, right? It's so omnipresent. Is that which we take for granted.
(00:37:45.098) Kimberly Petschen: We do.
(00:37:46.498) LuAnn Buechler: I'm looking for a different word, but right, I don't remember this quote, too. All the really most important things in life are free.
(00:37:58.298) Kimberly Petschen: Yeah, that's exactly what I was gonna say, too. It's like that's the thing about love, as well as it's free. It's free and that's
(00:38:05.398) LuAnn Buechler: hugs are free.
(00:38:07.698) Kimberly Petschen: Hugs are free. A smile doesn't cost you anything,
(00:38:11.698) LuAnn Buechler: right?
(00:38:13.398) Kimberly Petschen: That
(00:38:13.898) LuAnn Buechler: Ripple. Mother nature by and large is
(00:38:16.498) Kimberly Petschen: free
(00:38:16.998) LuAnn Buechler: And unless you're going on an extreme adventure and you need to pay somebody to help you, you know, like white water rafting or something like that, but otherwise mother nature is free. Air is free.
(00:38:30.398) Kimberly Petschen: All these things are present already. And our presents or gifts already. So why not be present and receive these presents? Yes.
(00:38:42.898) LuAnn Buechler: Oh,
(00:38:43.698) Kimberly Petschen: That are already here and they're free, right?
(00:38:45.698) LuAnn Buechler: That is fantastic. Is your book Letters to Leaders on Amazon, my friend?
(00:38:53.698) Kimberly Petschen: It will be. I am in the final editing. Well, I'm actually done editing, so it's more of the formatting or what have you. So I should—I'm looking to have this thing published in the next six to eight weeks. Excellent. Yeah. And then
(00:39:06.198) LuAnn Buechler: It will make me, girl. We're gonna hold each other accountable to that one. We're gonna get those books out there in the next six to eight weeks. There's our commitment to the audience. Come back in eight weeks and watch us do book launches of our new books. Mine's about joy in the workplace.
(00:39:25.498) Kimberly Petschen: Yes, and mine LP.
(00:39:28.198) LuAnn Buechler: Yes. Oh my gosh. Kimberly, we'll make sure your social media links are in the show notes. And anything else that you want to share with our audience? Oh, I was gonna ask you a funny question before we close out. This new thing that I've been told about, grounding sheets for your
(00:39:50.398) Kimberly Petschen: bed
(00:39:50.898) LuAnn Buechler: that are supposed to be connecting you to Mother Earth, right? Tell me what you think about those.
(00:39:59.598) Kimberly Petschen: Um, I think they probably have some value. I've seen them in different ways where the grounding sheets are not really connected to the ground, but they actually still give like a weighted feeling, like you're being comforted with using them. But I am grounded sheets where there's literally like a rod connected to the earth. I've seen this, like grounding type of technologies that people are using that way. But anything you could do in your sleep to keep yourself grounded. I mean, man, I've had some restless nights, and I mean, I like my bamboo sheets, but I have heard good things about the grounding sheets.
(00:40:33.798) LuAnn Buechler: as well. So the grounding sheets are still there. Yeah. So this doesn't feel close to the earth. The grounding sheets that I have, my bedroom's on a second floor. Right. And it does have a little cord, and it plugs into the grounding on your socket. Okay, so it seems more like I'm plugging into electricity, but it is that the circle part of the three prongs that
(00:41:05.398) Kimberly Petschen: is
(00:41:05.798) LuAnn Buechler: called the grounding of the electricity. Well, and what is electricity? It's the flow of currency, right? Energy is currency. I mean, you know, it is true, but I think they're helping, but I think it's scientifically, it feels a little farty.
(00:41:26.198) Kimberly Petschen: That all that electric so it doesn't just shoot through your walls. So, I mean, I could see the value in it. So something being plugged in and grounded because it's grounded into the same concept of being grounded to the earth, so I can see it working from a technology perspective for sure, but nothing beats walking barefoot occasionally in the dirt, you know,
(00:41:48.698) LuAnn Buechler: just my mother
(00:41:49.598) Kimberly Petschen: Earthquake water. You can watch it. Yeah.
(00:41:52.998) LuAnn Buechler: Love that. I love that. Oh, please my audience, all remember that we so need more of that, grounding to nature, which also brings you peace. I know you know that's true. Just go walk barefoot in the park and you'll feel it. You'll feel more at peace. So, practice presence of peace, watch for Kimberly's next book to come out as well. Oh, she's under pressure now, she's got to produce two here for us.
(00:42:23.698) Kimberly Petschen: To leaders, two more have, they're like fast follows, there's like, oh my gosh, I can't put all of this in this book, so the fast follows and a children's book has evolved from it as well. So it's, yeah. I finally found my purpose in writing and I found the passion and just like telling my stories and knowing that the decades that I've spent on this earth have been a learning opportunity. It's been a training camp and I want, that's what I would like to tell everybody too, is to remember, even if it feels difficult or challenging right now, you'll be on the other side of this and recognize that there's a gift in your lesson. There's a lesson and there's a gift in your trauma. There's a gift in your drama. There's a gift in your pain as much as there's a gift in your joy.
(00:43:09.498) LuAnn Buechler: Yeah,
(00:43:09.898) Kimberly Petschen: so
(00:43:10.498) LuAnn Buechler: it's
(00:43:10.798) Kimberly Petschen: Honor that. Reflect on it and just receive it. It'll take you miles towards your healing, and that's something I also bring into my cultural transformation offers and my coaching that I do and the teaching that I do at the academy for PCC coaches as well. So, yeah, if we could get back to just remembering that every single thing in our life has a purpose. Yeah, just on every moment.
(00:43:40.098) LuAnn Buechler: And the universe, the universe is working for you. Not against you.
(00:43:47.098) Kimberly Petschen: Yeah,
(00:43:47.398) LuAnn Buechler: it doesn't feel
(00:43:47.998) Kimberly Petschen: Right, sometimes, but
(00:43:49.498) LuAnn Buechler: Yeah. All right. Well, I know Kimberly and I could go on and on, but when the book comes out, we'll bring her back and we'll do it again. I think Mother Earth and the universe are shining on us right now. I've got this beautiful ray of sun coming in my window, so we need to wrap up for today. But please practice presents of peace in your own life and come back and listen to more of the podcasts so that you catch Kimberly again when she releases her book. Thanks, Kimberly, for being here. Everybody have a great day. Everybody have a great day and remember to make your passions pay.