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Welcome to The Dr. JJ Thomas Podcast! Here I'll be talking all things physical therapy, raw and unplugged, giving you the unfiltered insights you've been searching for in your cash-based physical therapy business. If you're caught in the grind of the traditional model, swamped with paperwork, or feeling like you're not reaching your full potential as a physical therapist, this podcast was created just for you.
Fragile people break, tough people endure but don't learn. Antifragile people get better, faster, stronger when shit gets hard.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:Welcome to the doctor JJ Thomas podcast.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Hey, everybody. Welcome to the doctor JJ Thomas podcast. I'm JJ, JJ and I'm here with a very special guest. I'm so lucky to have him here today. His name is Mike Moore.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Most of you probably know him as Mindset Mike and I'm really excited for this show today. Mike is a very successful mindset coach. And I should say he's successful because he has a lot of successful athletes under his under his belt and under his portfolio. So I'm looking forward to getting into the mindset of mindset Mike today. Here we go.
Mike Moor:Let's do it.
Dr. JJ Thomas:How you doing?
Mike Moor:I'm doing good. I, yeah, I had a had an easy drive besides the one closed exit coming here from from Newark. I'm in town for UFC fight week.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes.
Mike Moor:I have a guy, I think he's ranked 13 in the world. He's fighting number 6. Awesome. And, I've never seen a guy so big, so strong, so fast, but so happy. So I'm just like really really excited to see him.
Mike Moor:This is the first. He he's Moldovan. So it's, Alexander Romanov. And he's he's the first, first guy that I've ever really interacted with, like, of European descent Yeah. To be so emotionally intelligent.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Mhmm.
Mike Moor:So he really, it's completely different version of him than he's ever felt. So I'm excited for the UFC to see a completely different version of him as a fighter.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So you mean as you've worked with him, a complete a completely different version of
Mike Moor:him has
Dr. JJ Thomas:come out? That's so cool.
Mike Moor:Like, his coaches are, like, he's unrecognizable in practice, like
Dr. JJ Thomas:like, just a
Mike Moor:massive transformation. Reminds me, like, when I worked with Wei Lee when she was very stoic all the time. And then in the fights that the the two fights we got to work together, you know, when she fought Joanna, she's flirting with Colby Covington
Dr. JJ Thomas:Oh my god.
Mike Moor:In the in in the weigh ins.
Dr. JJ Thomas:She's Oh
Dr. JJ Thomas:my god.
Mike Moor:She's smiling, giggling Just chilling. Just chilling, like Yeah. Happy to be there. Happy fighters or dangerous fighters.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So awesome. Yeah. Because the confidence because the confidence you need to be able to have that settled, like
Mike Moor:Yes.
Dr. JJ Thomas:That personality is an I mean, it's hard it's hard to touch.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So how long have you been working with him?
Mike Moor:Last couple months. This is my first fight camp with him. We didn't start as a fight camp. It was a we didn't have a fight scheduled but his, head coach Mike Stewart and I go go way back and we were just waiting for the right time for me to work with Alexander. And so I started working with him a couple months ago.
Mike Moor:Midway through, he got the fight announcement. Top top ten matchups. So, yeah, last couple months, has been really transformative. So I'm excited to see what he does.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. That's exciting. I'm so by the time you guys get this show out, it takes me a couple weeks. We're, like, a couple weeks in advance. So we'll have the results already before our show comes out.
Dr. JJ Thomas:But, yeah, the fight's this this Friday night. Right? So tomorrow or Saturday night.
Mike Moor:Saturday night. Saturday night.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So very exciting.
Mike Moor:Main yeah. Main card, check them out. I mean, fight's gonna be over by the time you see this, but I hope you guys check it out. Main card, Alexander Romanoff.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. Awesome. I definitely will. I'll be seeing it Saturday.
Mike Moor:I hope you go there.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I know. I haven't I haven't figured out if I'm going in person or not, but either way, I'll be watching.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. It's awesome. Let's I wanna talk a little bit more for the for the people watching about your background.
Mike Moor:Sure.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Because I think, gosh, every whether you're a mindset coach or a physical therapist or a, you know, accountant, I think a lot of what makes us who we are and our gifts towards other people comes from where we came from.
Mike Moor:Mhmm. So
Dr. JJ Thomas:I love to hear about your background and your story a little bit more. I know a little bit. I know you started, like, in the FBI or something like that. Right? Tell me.
Mike Moor:So I had wrestled my whole life, knew by the time I was about a junior in high school that I wanted to go, like, a federal law enforcement route. So every decision I made around that time kinda went in that direction. So I I, went to college, studied criminology, psychology, and at a college, I was in Department of Homeland Security with the intention to go, like, FBI, CIA, something like that. Cool. So I got into the FBI about 6 months into my, stint with Homeland Security.
Mike Moor:I was there for about about 7 years. Wow. So I got to do national security surveillance. I got to do, behavioral science research, crisis negotiation, forensic accounting. Awesome.
Mike Moor:Yeah. I mean, I I I took my FBI career similar to the way that I approached college. Criminology well, first of all, most people think I get a criminal justice degree. I had a criminology degree because I was more interested in theory. My whole goal was that I wanted to be, I wanted to be in the behavioral science unit and be people that were chasing down serial killers, rapists, like, you know, high high profile psychology
Dr. JJ Thomas:and stuff.
Mike Moor:So I, in college, took that degree which a lot of football players take
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:But made it very difficult, very challenging. Right? And I I took lots of courses to really broaden my knowledge. Well, that's what I did in the FBI except it's free. Didn't cost me $10 for for a course.
Mike Moor:Yeah. So I just took as many trainings as I possibly could, and got as many certifications, experiences as I could. So, yeah, I really I I got a lot of interesting knowledge and perspective
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:Being 22 to 29 years old. I was the youngest youngest member of the Washington DC field office.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Wow.
Mike Moor:All employees for 2 years. So, like, being that young in your dream job, making a lot of mistakes
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:And learning a lot in a very fast paced environment, If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't be where I am now. 100%. Definitely wasn't fun sometimes going through it, but it was it was, it was a really good experience.
Dr. JJ Thomas:And I'm sure I mean, the stakes like, you jumped right into a high stake environment where, like, I picture, you know, you said, crisis negotiation. Mhmm. I mean, that's, like, that's a big deal. Yeah. The the stakes of that are huge.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So I'm sure, like, I'm listening to your story. I know you were d one wrestler Correct. Too. Right? So I I was
Mike Moor:actually gonna say, like, my experiences in wrestling at the highest level allowed me to prepare for something like that.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes. That's what I was thinking.
Mike Moor:Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I was thinking, like, you were high stakes. And to me, a lot of as a physical therapist with my with my athletes and even my non athlete patients, I feel like everything comes so much of of success comes from stakes and Yeah. You know, it's hard to see you a little bit. But, yeah. So the the high stakes environment and you already had that through d one wrestling Yes.
Mike Moor:And,
Dr. JJ Thomas:but then you take it to another environment like FBI and you're like, wow, these stakes are are something beyond my own ego, my own, you know, upset and not just myself but the team.
Mike Moor:Competing is competing. Like, that's what I've learned. So, like, you know, for me, these 2 championship rings are from a sport I've never played. Yeah. Right?
Mike Moor:Like, mindset is mindset. Yes. So, like like, when I having learned to compete at the highest level, you can compete in business, you can compete in daily life. Yes. You know, we're we're we're on the same page.
Mike Moor:So, like, the experiences competing in those environments, while they're not the same, it still felt very similar. Yes, the stakes were much higher, but the example I give to my clients, like, you know, a a big part of what I provide is, like, a a blueprint to reverse engineer the best version of you. Awesome. What does the best version of you look like? How can we make sure it comes up every time, especially in the big moments?
Mike Moor:Right? So when you can learn how to do that through sports, it allows you to at least have a platform
Dr. JJ Thomas:Sure.
Mike Moor:That you can then apply that in your professional life.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Practice it.
Mike Moor:For sure. So think about it like this. Like, physical therapist or let's take a a a notch up and it's like a heart surgeon. Why is it that heart surgeons, that's the most high stakes environment. You literally have someone's life force in your hands.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Totally.
Mike Moor:Do they have a lot of bad days? Probably not. Like, I like at like at work. Right. Like, do they have a lot of bad days at work?
Dr. JJ Thomas:Helping people.
Mike Moor:No. No. But, like, I'm more so saying performance wise. Oh, right. No athletes, like, I had a bad day this weekend.
Mike Moor:Yeah. Heart surgeons don't have a bad day. Yeah. Like They
Dr. JJ Thomas:they can't afford to.
Mike Moor:Yeah. Brain surgeons don't have a bad day. But, like, why can't an athlete afford to have a bad day?
Dr. JJ Thomas:No. It's right.
Mike Moor:A heart surgeon follows strategy and not emotion.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:Like, oh, we have these circumstances. I'm gonna follow these procedures. And if these things happen, prepare these things, God forbid.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:Right? So when athletes can learn how to do that, then they can follow strategy and not emotion as well. That's a
Dr. JJ Thomas:great analogy. Yeah. The other thing you said that I, I didn't wanna interrupt you, but I was thinking, like, these rings are from sports that don't play. But but it's funny because that's I say to my athletes all the time like your sport is my sport. Your success is my success.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Like my competition is getting you to your competition. Mhmm.
Mike Moor:I love that.
Dr. JJ Thomas:And I think as physical therapists, we should think of it like that. Like I do my own sports as well. Right? Like I train jujitsu, I I lift, I run, whatever and and I compete with myself. We were talking about how a lot of athletes are like me versus me is is one of the things Mhmm.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Before the show, we were talking about the me versus me mentality which I'm sure we'll get into. But yeah. So I have that but also it's it's my patient versus my patient and and just get helping them win. I'm sure. So it's the same with your with your rings and all your successes.
Mike Moor:Yeah. Yeah. No. No. No.
Mike Moor:For sure. And, you know, just to segue into what you just said about the me versus me, I think, you know, for the athletes out there that are watching and and even even if you're in business and you're a physical therapist or you're a professional of some sort, it's not who you're competing against. It's how you compete. So it doesn't matter what your competitors are doing. Yeah.
Mike Moor:Doesn't matter, like, what your opponent is good or not good at. Like, what matters is how well you compete. Yeah. Because you can lose to a lesser competitor if you don't compete well. You could beat a better competitor if you compete well.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Sure.
Mike Moor:Right? We both both worked with Amanda Levy, pulled probably the greatest upset in, like, women's combat sports history.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:Well, maybe not women's combat sports, but for sure, jujitsu
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:History. And, you know, she was able to compete to the best of her ability Yeah. On a day that her number one ranked pound for pound opponent in the world did not. And it
Dr. JJ Thomas:was Slightly more than pound for pound
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. By the way. Yeah. Yeah. So for those of you
Mike Moor:that don't know, Amanda beat Amanda weighed £155 and she beat a girl named Gabby Garcia. Gabby Garcia weighs somewhere between 253100. She doesn't declare her weight at weigh ins. That's part of her contract. And, point being is that, like, Amanda didn't just show up compete well and Gabby competed poorly.
Mike Moor:Amanda dismantled Gabby's ability to wanna Amanda dismantled Gabby's ability to compete
Dr. JJ Thomas:well. Yes.
Mike Moor:And that's a big part of mindset training. It's not just teaching you how to manage yourself. Once you learn how to manage yourself, then you learn how to break your opponent.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Amazing.
Mike Moor:So that's the fun part. Like, you and I work with a lot of 1% level athletes. Yeah. You know, they don't necessarily have problems to fix. They've got puzzles to solve.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. So when you can
Mike Moor:when they're already performing at a higher level, then, you know, you're not necessarily fixing how do I say it? When they're already performing at a higher level, you you you give them skills and tools that essentially gives them an edge Yeah. In those big moments.
Dr. JJ Thomas:You optimize them.
Mike Moor:Optimize them.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right?
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. It's like the hydrogen
Mike Moor:water. Yes. Yes. Like like, I don't know what percentage this helps me. Right.
Mike Moor:But the hydrogen water, the organic food, the the methylene blue in the morning, the nootropics, like, all those things together
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:Collectively give you something that separates you from other people. So the name of my new company when I when I left my previous one is called the Unfair Advantage I
Dr. JJ Thomas:love that name.
Mike Moor:For the purpose of being I want I want you to go against somebody who's as good or better.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. And
Mike Moor:I want you to have something that they don't. It's great. I want them to feel like it's unfair to compete against you.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Absolutely.
Mike Moor:And I think, perhaps to you, I think you do a great job, doing the same thing.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I appreciate that.
Mike Moor:Yeah. There's a 1,000,000 physical therapists in the world, but there's only a very small group of people that do the things that you can do at a scale that you can do with the consistent results that you can do. So it's cool.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Thank you. That's that's that's sweet. Thanks so much.
Mike Moor:You're welcome.
Dr. JJ Thomas:It does mean the world. Yeah. And exactly because of what we said, like, it's about it's about the competition. And it really is. So anyway, I'm feeling shy now.
Mike Moor:No. No reason. Like I said, I I I have no reason to blow smoke up your ass. I think, I think what you're doing is great. And, you're, I think, a testament to both yourself and myself is just not just the results that we have, but look at the people that seek
Dr. JJ Thomas:us out. Yeah. You know, the the people that
Mike Moor:seek us out, are high level people. Yeah. High level people understand like like, real recognizes real.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:So, you know, if if those are the sort of people that are seeking that are seeking you out, Yeah. Then there's a reason.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Appreciate it. Mhmm.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So let's talk more about that. Let's talk about those elite athletes. And I would love to hear from your perspective. I know I know I have this, you know, I have thoughts of my own. When I work with patients, I I can almost spot the real elite athletes by by certain things they do, but I would love to hear your experiences on on what separates an elite athlete from an average athlete.
Mike Moor:For sure. Yeah. I think there's, like, essentially three levels. Excuse me. I think there's 3 levels.
Mike Moor:Right? There's the top 90%, most of them coast on talent and hard work. Yeah. You can outwork everybody to about the top 10%. Then the top 10%, they're all talented.
Mike Moor:They all work hard. So what separates them? So there's, like, the top 9%. Yeah. And then there's the top 1%.
Mike Moor:So the top 9%, I feel like are really intentional in everything that they do. They got a plan for everything. The top 1% are obsessed not just on the intention, so they have the talent, they have the hard work, they have the intention, but they also are obsessed on, like, they're very assessment oriented.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes.
Mike Moor:So they're constantly evaluating
Dr. JJ Thomas:yourself. Love that.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. This is brilliant. Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:This is literally what I harp for my therapist. Like, when I'm training therapists, I'm like, you have to test retest. How do you
Dr. JJ Thomas:know what you're doing is helping if you're not test retesting?
Mike Moor:You're getting me excited.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Holy moly. I'm so excited you just said that.
Mike Moor:Yes. So, you know, those are people, like, I would say if you wanna if you wanna have success, you have to aim in the right direction. AIM for me is an acronym. Bring attention to the thoughts and feelings, that you wanna have, set intentions for what you wanna do, manage your emotions, evaluate regularly. So part of my client success is they literally take data on themselves every day.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes.
Mike Moor:So if it's if you don't if what you can't measure, you can't manage. Yep. So if you're not testing and retesting, then, like, you could feel better, but, like, you don't like, data gives you confidence. Data gives you a reputable proof, and dopamine is released in anticipation of a reward.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. So we can get into dopamine
Mike Moor:and why it's more performance enhancing than steroids. And that's why Penn State, in my opinion, is so successful. But ultimately, like, they chase the reward every day of getting better. Yeah. So the 1 percenters are obsessed with getting better.
Mike Moor:Yep. Like Kobe Bryant was asked once, are you more of a guy that hates to lose or do you love or what what is it? Do you like to win or hate to lose? And he was like, I'm neither. I like to figure it out.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I love it.
Mike Moor:You know? So when you're obsessed with getting better, you're always chasing something else.
Dr. JJ Thomas:It's the process.
Mike Moor:Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. But everyone talks about the process, but they have
Mike Moor:no idea what the process is.
Dr. JJ Thomas:The process is figuring it out. Yeah. Like He got it.
Mike Moor:But, like, they don't have like, there's no blueprint for what the process is. If you as an athlete, what's the process? Or coach, what's the process? Right. Show up, work hard, get there early, stay late, do whatever your coach says.
Mike Moor:Yeah. There's no guarantee for success for that. Mhmm. What I figured out how to master and part of my superpower is literally literally figuring out what the process is.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. How
Mike Moor:to crush it, how to measure it so you can manage it.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. Measure it, analyze it. I love it. This is literally I didn't expect our conversation to go this way. That's but but I'm so pumped because that is what I'm trying to harp other physical therapists to do in their practice.
Mike Moor:Like Data driven development.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes. You wanna be top 1% physical therapist? You gotta analyze. You gotta analyze. And and we call it clinical patterning in our world.
Dr. JJ Thomas:But it's the same thing with the athletes. It's like once they analyze and they get the data, then even if they're not mentally processing all of that, all they have
Dr. JJ Thomas:to do is see a a plus b equaled c equaled c Mhmm.
Mike Moor:And if
Dr. JJ Thomas:I do that again next time, I'm gonna crush it again. It's awesome.
Mike Moor:So I run an 8 week course on a regular basis for high performers called Reverse Engineering Success. Right? Essentially, what what it teaches is, okay, what does the best version of you look like? Okay. What are the steps that help you get there?
Mike Moor:Let me teach you a set of emotional control skills and other mental skills so you could focus on the right things. But really like the the key part of that that allows people in 8 weeks to transform the way they think, the way they feel, the way they compete is the data driven analytics where, like, you're literally grading yourself on a scale of 1 to 5, how good is your emotional control today? I loved it. On a scale of 1 to 5, like, how happy were you today? Yeah.
Mike Moor:Which is a Penn State thing we can talk about.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:You on a scale of once whatever you're trying to improve, mindset wise, in your life, take data on it.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So how does the 8 week program work? Is it online? Is it in person?
Mike Moor:Yeah. So, it is a it's a live group course. That's essentially how I scaled my business so I can have scale my impact, having more one to many. So it's it's a group where people apply for. I get tons of applications, like, I launch my next one in June.
Mike Moor:And, you know, we meet once a week. We have office hours on Wednesday. We meet once a week on Sundays, and they go through, a similar program that Amanda Levy, Ken Arruzing, you know, Patrickey Pippel, Winnie Won Bellator, Zhang Weili. What used to be 8 weeks to fight ready is now 8 weeks to reverse engineer success.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Love it.
Mike Moor:So like you, if you want them to perform their best, you gotta know what the best version of you looks like. Mhmm. My metrics are different than yours. But for me, you gotta know the thoughts and feelings that bring out your best and worst, what you do and don't do, and then have a set of skills that, like, if if we have outlined the road map, then if you wanna make it feel like a GPS, then you need to have skills to help you focus on the right things when shit gets hard.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:Because that's a big thing that also separates 1 percent. So the other thing that separates 1%, they're obsessed with getting better, but they're what I would call antifragile or hard to kill. Right? So fragile people break, tough people endure but don't learn. Antifragile people get better, faster, stronger when shit gets hard.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. So They they
Mike Moor:are hard to kill.
Dr. JJ Thomas:They dig in. I love it.
Mike Moor:They they so that's really what I focus on is that obsession with getting better, the assessment orientation. There's brain chemistry behind that as to why it works, but that and, you know, building them to in those most difficult moments, they will not just show up, they'll show up the best they've ever shown up. And like, I think Amanda is a really good example of that. Yeah. That is, you know, that was a that was a life changing night for her and I have nothing to do with that.
Mike Moor:She just took advice that I did and and implemented strategy.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Well, I know she still use like, we we were talking about you today and and and I was just I was like, yeah, Mike's coming on the show. She's like, that's great. And and, and she was saying, she's like, I still use the techniques that he taught me.
Mike Moor:Amanda saw the 2.0 version of where 10.0 is now. Yeah. And which is very refined to where I feel like if I if I have the right client, Right? And you understand your client profile, my client profile. If you're the right client profile, which is why I interview Yeah.
Mike Moor:Right? If you're the right client profile, I can guarantee results. But that anti fragile piece is something that's so crucial because people are coming to someone like you or me not to to to win the matches they're supposed to win. So when I go to the world championships
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:I wanna show up in the semis. I'm down by 2. There's a minute left. I've got bad there's bad calls. I'm injured.
Mike Moor:Those moments is, like, when you wanna show up the most.
Dr. JJ Thomas:It's awesome.
Mike Moor:So, yeah, I think, that's really what what separates it. So if I could summarize the top 90% coast on talent and hard work, the top 9% are are are both those things, but they're very intentional.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:The top 1% are really assessment oriented. They're obsessed with getting better, and, they are hard to kill.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I love that.
Mike Moor:You're gonna have to genuinely be better than them and be equal in all areas and somehow find a way to pull it out.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Like It's funny because as you're talking, I'm picturing, you know, like I said, I have sort of this perception of of my amazing athlete, my top 1% athletes, and and what makes them different. And just performance wise with our rehab, I can see a difference. It's exactly like you say, when it gets hard, like, first of all, when I give them hard things, they're like drooling.
Mike Moor:Mhmm.
Dr. JJ Thomas:They're like, heck, yes. This is what I need. They're like they're like animal. They're like dogs. They're like, let's go.
Dr. JJ Thomas:This is what I need. When I have They're primal. They're primal. That's right. I love that.
Dr. JJ Thomas:When they have the, you know, the 90%, they're like, really? You know, or whatever. It's it's a big it's a big mindset difference.
Mike Moor:They're thankful for the opportunity to struggle. Yeah. They know it won't kill them. Yeah. That it'll be inconvenient, but it'll make them stronger.
Mike Moor:Yeah. Everybody else feels like it's an obligation to suffer.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I think the other difference that I see from my end, I think a lot of it actually, I have something I say to people a lot like I can usually tell people I if I can get them better whether or not I can get them better is if they have 2 things. If they believe if if they believe they can get better and if they're willing to put the work in. Mhmm. And exactly what you said, like, they trust that they're not gonna break, but part of that comes from confidence Mhmm. That that, you know, they're safe and they're gonna be okay.
Mike Moor:So If if I could say a few words on confidence, I think I I made a post the other day. A lot of people have confidence confused. At least, like, haven't done this thousands of times. Yeah. What I feel like confidence should be versus what people do.
Mike Moor:People put confidence in whether or not I can or cannot do something. Yeah. That's in the future. You have no control. So, of course, your brain's gonna have anxiety, and our brain's designed to keep us safe.
Mike Moor:Our brain is like an overprotective mother.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes.
Mike Moor:Right? Like, mom, can I go to my friend's house? Well, like, are you gonna walk? Are you gonna take a bike? Like, what if this happens?
Mike Moor:What if that happens? Right? Your brain's designed to keep you safe. It's not designed for courage. Right.
Mike Moor:So anything that is, like, risky or is not guaranteed or, like, has like I said, has risk, your brain's gonna try to convince you why you shouldn't, why you can't, why you won't. So if your confidence is whether or not you can do something, then, of course, you're gonna have anxiety about it. But if your confidence is in not whether or not you can do something but a stack of proof that you're capable. Yes. If your confidence is in your intentions, right, my confidence is in my preparation, like I did everything that I possibly like, that that I could do.
Mike Moor:I know that I can't control the outcome of whether or not this happens but I have complete control of the process that gets there.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Mhmm. And
Mike Moor:I've given everything that I can. I've also got a bunch of proof that even though I haven't won a world championship, here's reasons why I'm capable.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes.
Mike Moor:And I think I remember when I tore my ACL Yeah. In college and I was really stressed, like, so when am I gonna come back? When am I gonna come back? Right. Like, it was a very sensitive timeline because I was either gonna miss wrestle offs in the 1st month of the season, or I was gonna make it for wrestle offs.
Mike Moor:Like, there's a very a couple weeks would be the difference of a whole year.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Got it.
Mike Moor:And and my physical therapist, Kala, if you're out there somewhere, I don't know what you're doing now, but, like, this quote changed my life.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Shout out.
Mike Moor:Shout out. She was, like this is at University of Maryland, and she was, like, you need to stack small wins.
Dr. JJ Thomas:She's like,
Mike Moor:today, I want you to give me 2 more degrees of flexion. She's like, tomorrow, I want you to give me another few reps when you do this exercise. When it hurts, I want you to go a little bit farther. She's like, that's the only thing you need to worry about. Like, don't worry about when you're gonna come back.
Mike Moor:You have no control over that. We don't know what's gonna happen. You have complete control of giving me a few more degrees, a few more reps.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:And, literally in my journal, which I feel like is the most transformative part of my program, it's it's called, like, how to stack small wins.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Love it.
Mike Moor:And that's what I learned from my physical therapist.
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's so awesome. And that is one of the reasons I wanna do on here. Like, yes, number 1, to hear your experience with all the amazing athletes you work with and hear insights into their mindsets, but also for my physical therapist watching who I know wanna be 1% of the top physical therapists, like what can we do? And I love that you just used your own example of that. I think like are my it's funny because I think it's super important that we collaborate with guys like you all the time with our athletes, but it's also it's sort of like home exercise program.
Dr. JJ Thomas:We have to educate ourselves in a way that we're reinforcing your work when they're here in the office with us, when they're here in the clinic with us.
Mike Moor:Yeah. And and and going back to the confidence thing, it's, you know, most athletes are like, can you fix me? Can we do this by this amount of time so I can do that? Yeah. I don't know.
Mike Moor:But I could tell you, like, people come to me like, I wanna win this, I wanna do this. I have no idea whether or not we're gonna win.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Dr. JJ Thomas:But I
Mike Moor:could tell you if you follow all my advice and you do everything that I'm telling you to do and you give you a 100% and you trust me, you're like, the best version of you will show.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I love that. That's perfect.
Mike Moor:There's nothing that you can do to control the outcome of this injury, your recovery, or whatever. You follow everything I'm telling you
Dr. JJ Thomas:you're gonna do, you're gonna
Mike Moor:be the absolute best position that you could be in.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Okay. So here's so my mind is going here now just because hearing your ACL story and hearing all the all the amazing insight you have for your athletes. I know you you still compete. You do your Blue Bell Jiu Jitsu.
Mike Moor:So yeah. So, quick story on jiu jitsu. So I when, I left the FBI, I wanted to spend more time in martial arts versus just wrestling, so I started taking jiu jitsu classes. Let me rephrase. I I was running a wrestling academy.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Oh, yeah.
Mike Moor:Yeah. So, during the time I was in the FBI, I opened up a wrestling academy. That academy was ultimately, like, what led me here. Okay. The short short version is I had 13 kids in the state finals, 1st year of my academy.
Mike Moor:Cool. It's, like, unheard of.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Wow.
Mike Moor:I had 9 Was
Dr. JJ Thomas:that in San Diego also?
Mike Moor:This was in Texas
Dr. JJ Thomas:Oh, okay.
Dr. JJ Thomas:When I
Mike Moor:was living in Texas. 9 of them should have won. I would have bet money they would have won. 5 of them just didn't show up. Wow.
Mike Moor:Gave them the right advice. I was I like, that was my talent was getting the best out of people. But in the one match that mattered, undefeated kids, number one seeds that just didn't show up. Yeah. What am I missing?
Dr. JJ Thomas:All the time.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. Happens all the time. I'm like,
Mike Moor:what am I missing? I'm like, I can't I can't just continue to do this and then hope that they show up.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:So I hired a company to help them with the to help them, like, fill the gap. I feel like mindset was something we missed we were missing a system for. That filled the gap, I started working for that company, I left the FBI for that company, and then 7 years later I started my own.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Got it.
Mike Moor:But running a wrestling academy, I've I've I'm forgetting the question now.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So I was asking I was gonna ask you how that tied into your current, like Oh. I was picturing.
Mike Moor:So I was the wrestling coach in Houston and, I was asked to teach jiu jitsu athletes how to wrestle. And I started teaching them how to wrestle and I realized I need to learn jiu jitsu.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:So I started teach I started taking it. I loved it. Yeah. Started competing because I wanted to compete. Right.
Mike Moor:But also, like, I haven't competed. Like, I'm I'm doing all this mindset training, but I haven't competed since I was in college. Yeah. I was like, let me go see how well this stuff works for me.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:Like, I know I see the results of my athletes, but it still works for me. So I had 11 matches. I didn't give up a single offensive point in 11
Dr. JJ Thomas:matches. Wow.
Mike Moor:As a college wrestler, you gotta go in, like, the advanced division and stuff. So I was competing against people that were I had 3 months of jiu jitsu experience competing against, like, purple or above.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Amazing.
Mike Moor:Yeah. So that was cool. Did a super fight. It was a draw even though I beat the guy, like, 11 nothing
Dr. JJ Thomas:Wow.
Mike Moor:Because it wasn't a submission. Yeah. Silly. But whatever.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So I I It was a submission only?
Mike Moor:It was submission only. Yeah. And, like, now they have submission only or certain amount of points.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Got you. Got you.
Mike Moor:Ref's decision, whatever. This was submission only. The dude was literally crying, crying, gurgling on camera. I just didn't have enough jiu jitsu to know I finished a 10 finger.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:He's like, tears like, that was a win, dude. Like, I I I
Dr. JJ Thomas:You're looking at him, like, can we stop this?
Mike Moor:I'm like, you just tap already? But, you know, like, I I I didn't know enough jiu Jitsu that, like, immediately after the match I'm like, oh, I should have done this sort of that show. Totally.
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's how you learn. Yeah. You assessed? Yes. Yeah.
Mike Moor:And and I immediately figured it out. I don't train quite as much anymore, but I I probably taught hundreds of hours of wrestling to jiu jitsu and MMA fighters and I really enjoy that.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. It's great.
Mike Moor:Because I'm not teaching them how to wrestle. We're going into 50 50 positions where you could think like a wrestler or think like a jiu jitsu athlete. This is what a wrestler would do that a jiu jitsu athlete is not trained to do.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes. So Which is a nice advantage.
Mike Moor:Which is a nice advantage. Yeah. So I've heard of this some pretty high profile people over the years like Roberto Jimenez who's competing in CGI who's multiple time world champion. I think he won the absolute for in in no gi this year, like, coached him in high school. Kevin Holland was was a UFC fighter that got taken down 14 times in a fight.
Mike Moor:Then he went to Fury in Philly and he arguably beat Cody Hamra.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Wow.
Mike Moor:Yeah. So had he not decided to do like a back flip in the last 10 seconds to do some dumb stuff
Dr. JJ Thomas:Oh my god.
Mike Moor:He would've won that match.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:So I I I've gotten the opportunity to work with a lot of high profile people, but that's ultimately what led me to jiu jitsu. So I don't compete as much anymore because I don't have the time. Yeah. But I, when I did have the time, I competed as much as I could and, didn't give up a single offensive point.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I think it's cool. What I was going at what I was going for there was just, like, were you able to take your own advice?
Mike Moor:100%.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. 100%. Because I think sometimes it's hard to sometimes I think it's hard to self reflect in the same way that we would for our patients.
Mike Moor:So I
Dr. JJ Thomas:was curious if you were able to sort
Dr. JJ Thomas:of step outside your own
Mike Moor:Here here's the thing that you guys don't understand. Yeah. That, like like, what JJ and I, like, what you struggle with, we struggle with. Yeah. I I I got the same thoughts that they do before they compete.
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's right.
Mike Moor:I just had them less. Yeah. And I had a better process to deal with them. Yeah. So I'm warming up for my for my super fight.
Mike Moor:I'm supposed to fight at 7:30, and they're like, hey, we're gonna push you to 11:30. Oh. I'm like, bro, I literally planned the last 36 hours of my life Wow. To peak at 7:30
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes.
Mike Moor:To include my warm up, my food, all this stuff. So I'm like, you wanted me to go at 11:30 PM Oh, no. 4 hours from now. So I was like, alright. There's nothing I can do.
Mike Moor:So I took a nap.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Got it.
Mike Moor:That's good. And just like did whatever I needed to do to go compete again. So I'm I'm getting ready. As a good promoter, they put a guy that they genuinely thought would beat me, who they thought was a good wrestler. Yeah.
Mike Moor:He wrestled in high school.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Uh-huh.
Mike Moor:It's just not the same.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. Totally not.
Dr. JJ Thomas:But he
Mike Moor:was super tough. He looked like the the dude from 300, like
Dr. JJ Thomas:The Spartan dude? The
Mike Moor:Spartan dude. Like, look like I think
Dr. JJ Thomas:he has workouts about every other week.
Mike Moor:Yes. He he looks like that dude.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:And acts like that dude. Oh. So super tough, like, mad respect, but I I'm I'm coming out and I'm like, I'm the wrestling coach.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Like, what if I could take
Mike Moor:it down? Like, what if I lose?
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:Like, I'm
Dr. JJ Thomas:All of a
Dr. JJ Thomas:sudden you're like, woah. Get out of your head.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Get out of your head. But like not even, like, all
Mike Moor:those thoughts came through my head and I'm like, this is normal. Yeah. I like these things happen every time that I compete.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So cool.
Mike Moor:Like this is how my brain's designed. I'm not nervous. My brain does this every time that I've competed. I'm excited because of these reasons.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:And so I just immediately reframe them into the right place and people think that, like, you can't just dismiss these thoughts.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:Like, they're gonna come and you don't just you don't reframe them once and then they're gone. Yeah. I don't take a deep breath and then I'm over a breakup.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:Like, it's it's maybe it's 5 seconds, 15 seconds, 5 minutes, whatever it is. Like, you just gotta counter those thoughts. Yeah. I just have them less and I countered them less. But I immediately was able to better than I could have in college or high school even though mindset was an advantage of mine, better than I could have before was able to deal with those.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Because you've practiced it.
Mike Moor:Be because I teach it.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Well, but a 100%. That is amazing. That's also very true.
Mike Moor:I don't know. So do do do you know the percentage for learning retention on how we learn? No. 5% of what you hear, 30% of what you see, 70% of what you do, 90% of what you teach. Yeah.
Mike Moor:So that's why podcast and books Yeah. You're not retaining much. So all you that are trying to do mindset training by the going all the YouTube videos and all the books, you're retaining 30% of that book at max.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. That's not a
Mike Moor:good use of me or your mine or your time.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Mhmm.
Mike Moor:If you all those podcasts, it's 30%.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:I'm sorry, 5%. And then the reason why mindset training like mine works is just pen to paper Yes. That, like, you are doing mindset training, not talking or listening about mindset.
Dr. JJ Thomas:You're basically teaching yourself.
Mike Moor:Yeah. So what I would have athletes do to get better at wrestling without wrestling more, I'd have them teach kids class.
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's great. That's great.
Mike Moor:You know how much better you're getting as a physical therapist by teaching other physical therapists?
Dr. JJ Thomas:Well, trust me. I mean, honestly, I was gonna tell you that. When I started teaching dry needling is when my game went way up. Yeah. Because now I and the biggest change was the was the assessment.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Was the test, retest, test, retest, test, retest, like like 20 times in a session. I mean people therapists when I tell them that they look at me like really? You're retesting like sometimes 20 times? I'm like yes. Because then I know every single variable and I can reproduce it and it just happens.
Mike Moor:The only way you can get even better than you're already doing is if you were to ask the people that attend your seminars
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:What else could I do better? Yeah. And then and and and because you're probably probably, I mean, I see people there all the time so you really don't suck. Right? So, like, how do I get even better?
Mike Moor:Like, in my in my post course eval, I asked them. I'm like, what could I have done better in this course? Yeah. And there's really not much feedback for that other than, like, like, they'll give suggestions of, like, it would have been cool if we did this. Would have been cool if we did that.
Mike Moor:And I've added their suggestions.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Mhmm.
Mike Moor:So but even for us, like, assessing what we're doing and not doing well.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Well, I'm
Dr. JJ Thomas:just thinking as you're saying that, I think I might start having my therapist on my courses teach something at the end of the course to another person.
Mike Moor:Best coach I've ever been in. Yeah. R r I p, Mike Krause. Yeah. Literally the best coach I've ever seen in any sport ever.
Mike Moor:He's a guy that he he was a clinician more than he was a coach. Although he did build a lot of like youth programs and teams, he was the number one youth clinician in the country. I've done a lot of camps with him before he died. And he would walk into a room with different experience levels, different ages, different sports. Right.
Dr. JJ Thomas:With the
Mike Moor:jiu jitsu and wrestling, everyone walks out learning, like, knowing how to do the move.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So cool.
Mike Moor:Like, that's the real, like, you could be flashy and exciting, but does everyone actually able to do they have fun learning the material and can implement it? His son was autistic. So one of the things that he would do the 2 things that he did in his things that were different than everybody else that allowed retention, One, he would make people demonstrate constantly. Most clinicians just show the move. Alright.
Mike Moor:123. Let's go practice. Yeah. Right? He made people show it constantly.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Love it.
Mike Moor:You didn't know who you know if you're gonna get called on
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:So you paid attention. So you don't wanna be the idiot in the room. That was 1. 2, he would constantly repeat himself because that's what he had to do to his son. So he was like, alright guys, we're putting the hand to the leg, the hand to the leg, the hand to the what?
Mike Moor:Love it. The hand to the what?
Dr. JJ Thomas:Love it.
Mike Moor:Right? That's awesome.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Like like, yeah. Don't You just
Mike Moor:hear it.
Dr. JJ Thomas:You
Mike Moor:just hear Yeah. The the the repetition, 1. 2, making people demonstrate. 3, held people accountable. The second they weren't paying attention Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Called
Mike Moor:them out front of everybody, everybody had to do push ups.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Love it. Love it.
Mike Moor:My I brought him to a a a, jiu jitsu gym. Yeah. And a bunch of grown people. And he
Dr. JJ Thomas:had him doing push ups?
Mike Moor:He's doing push ups. They're like, what the fuck?
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's how I raised my kids, honestly.
Dr. JJ Thomas:But it was positive. It was positive.
Dr. JJ Thomas:It was it was. It wasn't like a you're being punished, you're doing push ups.
Dr. JJ Thomas:It was like you need a healthy activity.
Mike Moor:Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:We're gonna do some push ups.
Mike Moor:Yeah. It was he would call them out. He'd be like, you're not working hard enough. Everybody pushes these grown ass people are like, what the fuck?
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's so funny.
Mike Moor:And like the first couple times they were annoyed, but like halfway through they were just so
Dr. JJ Thomas:They're like, I'm happy and I'm gonna focus.
Dr. JJ Thomas:But they
Mike Moor:were all about it.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. It's good. That's good.
Mike Moor:RIP, Mike.
Dr. JJ Thomas:RIP, Mike. I wish I knew Mike.
Mike Moor:Everyone should have known Mike. Yeah. He was literally the greatest coach I've ever seen of any sport, and I get to I get to work with a lot of amazing ones. I my biggest regret for him is that more coaches of more sports didn't learn from him. Yeah.
Mike Moor:I learned so much. He was my homest.
Dr. JJ Thomas:They're learning from him right now because you're still talking about him.
Mike Moor:Still talking about and that's what we all said when he died and thousands of posts went out. Like, hundreds of people flew in for his funeral.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Wow.
Mike Moor:Like, I was across the country on a work trip. I drove overnight with a 3 hour layover to on a red eye just to make him do his funeral because, like, I don't, like, gonna tear up thinking about it.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. To
Mike Moor:be at his funeral just because, like, I wanted to pay respects, like Yeah. How much of an amazing how much of an amazing human he was, not just to me
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:But to so many people. And we all said that, like, we just wish more people could have known Mike because those of us that were close to him obviously had, like, a lot of, like, a lot of, positivity from having us in his life. But every kids that went to his clinic when they were 6, they still remember the shit that he said.
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's awesome.
Mike Moor:You know? Like, he just has so many, like, sayings
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:That, like, kids 20 years later were posting, like, I never forgot when you said this. I say this to my kids now.
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's cool.
Mike Moor:Anyways, I
Dr. JJ Thomas:love it. No. That's important.
Mike Moor:Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I was thinking when you were talking about him saying like hand on the leg hand on the leg. I've been doing the g the like the primal locomotion stuff, you know. It's really a lot of it comes from GMB Fitness. I'm a trainer for them.
Mike Moor:Mhmm.
Dr. JJ Thomas:And like I still to this day when I'm doing backwards bare, it's opposite arm and leg move together. I literally say it out loud. And I tell my patients all the time because otherwise you get you get tripped up. And, like, you have to, like, say it out loud.
Mike Moor:My money helped me study when I was a kid using, like, songs and words. So I'll never forget the definition of an orchid is a group of growing fruit trees. That's
Dr. JJ Thomas:When I tell my kids our phone number, my phone number, they I had them sing it. Yeah. Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:You know
Dr. JJ Thomas:what I mean? Yeah. And they still they'll when I when they say it, they still sing it.
Mike Moor:So I use a lot of acronyms, like, the 4 core values of my program is grit, gratitude, resilience, intentionality, total commitment.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Great.
Mike Moor:Like, the best athletes, like the bet that's what, you know, the the the true 1 percenters, what I noticed, conversation for another time. But when I consolidated information, it was like, when I wanna create a program, what am I building? Like, I love the word grit, but I was looking for something that started with g because of gratitude. Yeah. Because gratitude's, like, hands
Dr. JJ Thomas:on the list of performing.
Mike Moor:100%. Hands on performance and anti attitude. Your your bracelet on the inside of it
Dr. JJ Thomas:I got one.
Mike Moor:Yet your bracelet on the inside of it has says gratitude. You can't see it cause they don't make it that way.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Oh, that's amazing.
Mike Moor:Yeah. So like the most important thing gratitude should always be like the dominant attitude in everything you do. I'm thankful and excited to compete, not worried about winning or losing. Thankfulness and depression cannot coexist. Thankfulness and stress do not coexist in your brain, it's oil and water.
Mike Moor:Yes. The more oil you have, the less water you have, the more water you have, the less oil you can have. So, gratitude, resilience, intentionality, total commitment. If you want to you you wanna focus on the right things, aim in the right direction. Attention, intention, manage emotions, evaluate.
Mike Moor:You should be aiming for peace. Preparation, effort, attitude, competitiveness, and energy management. Like, acronyms is what helps these people Sure. Remember. So Yeah.
Mike Moor:That's what's gonna help physical therapists, sports coaches, business owners to to relay information. That's how we learned like, remember how we learned as kids. Yeah. Remember how we learn in sports. Now do this shit in your business.
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's great. That's that was my other question for you. It was, like, because my podcast is mainly I mean, a lot of our patients watch because there's a lot of clinical information at times, but but really my sort of mission is to help other physical therapists be in that top one percent of PTs. And, and this is all great stuff for that. Like, not only for them to use not only for you guys to use for your athletes that you're treating, but for you to use for yourself as you're saying in your business.
Mike Moor:And if and if they want to if you want your athletes to be a certain way, then you need to model that behavior.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes.
Mike Moor:This is the one thing that Kale Sanderson has that nobody else has. People could talk about gratitude, people people talk about how faith is important. Yeah. You know, Penn State almost exclusively recruits faith based wrestlers. Right?
Mike Moor:So a lot of coaches will talk about God, but what they don't know about, like, talk about God, don't worry about winning or losing. Right? Their messaging doesn't really come across like that when
Dr. JJ Thomas:they're in the
Mike Moor:practice room room because I work with a lot of those, like, top 10 kids in the country d one. But they could talk a lot about it, but they don't necessarily back it up. So how does Kale back it up? Kale can genuinely say that he doesn't care about winning or losing because his Olympic gold medal is in a sock drawer somewhere.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:The only pictures in his home you would never know he was a wrestling coach if you went into his home. The only pictures on his on his wall is Jesus and his family.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Wow.
Mike Moor:That's it. Wow. So he could genuinely say, no. I don't care about winning or losing.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:Because where are all my trophies for being the most accomplished person ever
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:In the basement? I don't care. Like, the the the purpose for them is to glorify god using the gifts that god gave them. Like, that's wrestling is the vehicle for them to do that. So point being, whatever you're trying to model, like, Kayla Kayla is one of the only people really truly that models that behavior.
Mike Moor:So of course these kids are gonna talk about how wrestling's always fun. Mhmm.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Of course
Mike Moor:these kids are gonna talk about they don't care about winning or
Dr. JJ Thomas:losing. Yeah.
Mike Moor:This isn't advice. They look at the person that is their leader and their leader embodies that literally to the core. Kale, this is the biggest match in wrestling history. What are your thoughts? Well, you know, kids are, gonna weigh in.
Mike Moor:I hope they all make weight.
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's right.
Mike Moor:Hope they all make weight. You know, we're gonna wrestle some matches. Yeah. Hope you score some points. Yeah.
Mike Moor:You know, fun to watch. And, yeah. I mean, it's just it's just wrestling.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I love what I love what you're saying about, like, as physical therapists, I think you were saying, like, we have to lead, like, somebody like like, Kale Sanderson.
Mike Moor:Yes.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Like, yes.
Mike Moor:You have to lead like Kale Sanderson where, like, you have to embody, not talk about it, not post about it. Yeah. Like, your clients need to like, what you the behavior you want them to model, you need to model. Yeah. You want your partner to ask to act a certain way, you know, like in your personal relationships
Dr. JJ Thomas:Right.
Mike Moor:Model that behavior.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes. You
Mike Moor:want your kids to act a certain way, you better model that behavior.
Dr. JJ Thomas:It's like do what you learned in kindergarten. Right? Like what your parents taught you, like treat people the way you wanna be treated. Right? Same kind of thing.
Mike Moor:Now interesting. You know what my so the golden rule in life is treat people the way you wanna be treated. Right? Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:You wanna know what the golden rule in sports is?
Dr. JJ Thomas:What?
Mike Moor:Treat people the way you don't wanna be treated.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Oh my god. Well, some sports.
Mike Moor:Respectfully. Oh. Treat people the way you don't wanna be treated. Respectfully. What do you hate that somebody does?
Mike Moor:This was our game plan against Gabby. Okay. What would you, like, what would what would you hate somebody to do? Right? Like, what what are the things we don't like?
Mike Moor:So she cleared every collar tie, like, talked shit at weigh ins. Yeah. Like, put her hands in her face, like, made her uncomfortable, pushed a lot of pace and pressure. So so do do unto you as you do unto others as you don't
Dr. JJ Thomas:As you don't want done unto you?
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. I got you.
Mike Moor:I I I was struggling.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So In the in the yeah.
Mike Moor:The golden rule of life is treat people the way you wanna be treated. The golden rule in combat sports, treat people the way you don't wanna be treated respectfully.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I love that. And they'll get it. Right? Like, I mean, your opponent's gonna get it if you're
Dr. JJ Thomas:in a combat sport. Obviously, I don't have to justify that. But but for the physical therapists that aren't into combat sports, I think they should understand that, like, they're gonna get it.
Mike Moor:Yeah. You know? And, you know, we were talking about competition and me versus me and stuff, like, instead of comparing, like, what we're doing to, like, well, this physical therapist is doing this, not physical therapist doing that. Like, don't worry about what they're doing or not doing. Who what are the top performers in your field doing?
Mike Moor:How can you model that behave how can you model the their tactics and strategies into the way it fits in your business
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:And then relentlessly work on being the absolute best version of yourself.
Dr. JJ Thomas:This is so great because I just had this conversation with a friend today who's been trying to get one of his one of his, high profile buddies who's an athlete to come see me, and I think he's been hesitant because he's working with another physical therapist. And I said, listen. I a good a great physical therapist is not intimidated by working by anyone any of their athletes working with another great one. Everybody has their specialties, and I have my specialties. His guy has his specialties.
Dr. JJ Thomas:There's no reason we can't all treat these people. You know what I mean?
Mike Moor:Let's say the athlete is John. We should all be on team John.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Exactly.
Mike Moor:Like like It's not team John. If he wins
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's right.
Mike Moor:We all win.
Dr. JJ Thomas:We all win. Exactly.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes. So that is, some that's great advice too for our PTs watching is, like, number 1, don't be intimidated by your peers, which is what you just said. Like, instead embrace them, send to them when they're doing something that's better that they're better at than you. And then if you're really good at something, which you should be, then they're gonna send back to you.
Mike Moor:Yeah. Yeah. A good piece of advice I was I I've been given is, no one will ever criticize you that's doing more than you.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yes.
Mike Moor:Right?
Dr. JJ Thomas:Ugh. I love that.
Mike Moor:And and that's something like, we've always heard the grass is always the, don't worry about the grass on the other side. It's greener where you water it. Right?
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So
Mike Moor:try I'm I'm trying to think of the way I was trying to parallel. So let me go backwards. No one will criticize you that's doing more than you. So you should the only opinions you should value, right, are the people that either you love or that are doing more than you.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Mike Moor:Right? So instead of comparing yourself to other people and you're not other people, like, look at the people that are successful in your field.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Mhmm.
Mike Moor:Model the stuff that they can do. Like, no one's ever gonna recreate Penn State but I feel like I'm one of the only people to meticulously study their program. Well, what makes them successful? What are the aspects of their culture and the way that they do things and they recruit and this, that, like, I could help other people understand and model in their in in in in their, program. Yeah.
Mike Moor:Right? So a high school wrestling program, a college wrestling program, a professional athlete, like, hey, listen, you'll never be these people and you don't necessarily wanna be, you wanna be you. But these are the things that they do well that you can incorporate into your plan and that's how people should look at how to grow their business instead of comparing yourself to other people or worrying about what they're doing. Focus on you.
Dr. JJ Thomas:That's right.
Mike Moor:Whether or not you do well is whether or not your business is wrong.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Me versus me. Mhmm. Nice stuff.
Mike Moor:Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:You're awesome. Thank you so much.
Mike Moor:Yeah. I've I I it's I I I enjoy these things and especially, like, you and I like to hang around with like minded people so any anytime I get to chat with somebody that was on the same
Dr. JJ Thomas:We got so I feel like we got so lucky with this because because Mike's on the West Coast and, like, we were gonna do this virtually.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:And then Mike re Mike was like, hey. I'm actually gonna be really close to you.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So Yeah.
Dr. JJ Thomas:I really appreciate you you making the
Mike Moor:Thank you for making the time as well.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Yeah. Anything else you wanna any other quest I feel like we covered it all. My usually I usually end with advice from my physical therapist but you just covered it. Yeah. So if there's anything else, I wanna make sure you guys know how to contact Mike Mhmm.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Because he is a gem and, and really does give people an unfair advantage. The name of his company is is absolutely a 100% correct.
Mike Moor:Correct.
Dr. JJ Thomas:So you can find him mindset Mike on on social media. Unfair Advantage is his company. I'm sure you can Google him or
Mike Moor:Unfairadvantagemindset dot com. You can find out more information Instagram is the easiest way to contact me, and I would just I would say, like, everyone's if you're in business or you're in sports, like, you're not you're not if you're serious about it, it's because you wanna be the best. Right? So I'll say 2 things. 1, don't try to be the best.
Mike Moor:Be yourself. Right? But if you wanna be yourself, then you have to understand what the best version of you looks like. Yeah. So being yourself isn't cool when you
Dr. JJ Thomas:don't know what the best version of you looks like.
Mike Moor:Yeah. So let's let's learn what the best version of you looks like, which is what I teach people, that's like what I make a living on, 1. 2, you know, like everyone wants to be the best so you're aspiring to be in that top 1%. Right? So if you wanna get there, you wanna close the gap quickly, then again you you may not have the resources, you may not have the money, you may not have the time, you may not have the staff, you may not have all these things.
Mike Moor:Tony Robbins I saw a video of Tony Robbins and I quit my job at the FBI the next day.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Wow. Really?
Mike Moor:Yeah. And I used to make fun of Tony Robbins because he's like, I mean, who's this motivational speaker? Lurch looking dude Right. With his big teeth and raspy voice talking about this stuff. Saw this I saw this video, maybe quit my job the next day, but it it ties in my advice.
Mike Moor:And it was all of you here that come to see me, like, he was naming all these high profile jobs, all the people that were there. You know, your your anyways, he was named all these people. And he was like, you're all saying you don't like the resources or you you, you you like the resource, you don't have the time, you don't have the staff, you don't have the technology. He's like, you don't like resources, you like resourcefulness.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Oh, that's good.
Mike Moor:And he's like, the ultimate resource is emotional states. So he was saying, he's like, and this is this relates to something I do with my clients now, but he was like sometimes if you wanna take the can I curse? Yeah. Okay. Sometimes he's like,
Dr. JJ Thomas:if you wanna take the
Mike Moor:fucking island, you gotta burn your fucking boats.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Love it.
Mike Moor:You can't be 1 foot in, 1 foot out. Like, there is no plan b. So I say all that to say is that, like, you don't no one lacks the resources. People with much less have done more, people with much more have done less. So if you wanna be in the 1%, then look at what the 1% are doing and then see what aspects of like their business, their culture, their this, their that, their social media that you can model in a way that fits for your business and that's the quickest way that you can climb the ladder to get to where you wanna go.
Mike Moor:And, you know, I think I think that applies in school, wrestling, sports, business Yeah. Life.
Dr. JJ Thomas:Amen. Amen. Love it. Thank you so much.
Mike Moor:Thank you.
Dr. JJ Thomas:This was amazing. You guys, you gotta check him out. I know you will because he's amazing. And, thanks for joining me.
Dr. JJ Thomas:You got
Dr. JJ Thomas:a lot of great, advice here for both your athletes, your patients, yourself, your personal relationships. As you said, it it applies to everything. So can't thank you enough, And, you guys, we'll talk soon. Take care.