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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. So we now know that the entire COVID operation was really that it was an operation it was a psychological operation where they used faulty data, faulty analysis, mass propaganda organs, control over the education system, the medical system, the doctors to basically push us in this place where we thought the only solution is the vaccine and now we see where we're at now. So joining us today though is someone that actually has a very interesting background and his name is professor Norman Fenton And so he is a mathematician, he's a professor, but he's an expert in data analysis and statistical analysis. And so he didn't enter into this COVID event thinking, you know, big pharma's evil, the government's evil.
Seth Holehouse:He just was a smart man that was observing what was happening, that was looking at the data. And so the information he's put together that exposes just how corrupt and just how fraudulent this entire thing was is astounding. So folks, you're gonna really enjoy this interview. Before we get started, make sure you're following me on social media at Man in America. I'm on Twitter as at Man in America US and every show is done as a podcast as well.
Seth Holehouse:So if you'd rather listen, just go to your favorite podcast app and search for Man in America and you'll find me there. Alright, folks. Let's jump into this interview. Professor Fintan, is an honor to have you on the show. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks for having me on. It's great to be here.
Seth Holehouse:So you're, you know, I interview a lot of doctors, especially when it comes to COVID and they're giving me information of what they're seeing or the research they've done. But you've come at this from a very different angle as being someone, as I understand, that really understands it from the perspective of math and statistics. And so, can you just give us a quick background of just you know what where is your professional focus?
Speaker 2:Okay, so my focus is on using mathematics and probability to look at risk. And even before Covid I was always involved heavily in research into risk of different medical conditions. I worked with clinicians in different areas of particularly chronic conditions like diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, those types of things and determining things like different risks for different profiles of people, optimal care packages that type of thing. So it was always driven by the probability. And we looked at, we use a particular type of mathematics probability called Bayesian probability, which is a little bit different to what most other people use because in this area you don't have masses of data.
Speaker 2:Where you don't have massive data, you can't apply sort of traditional statistical methods. You have to use these Bayesian methods where you incorporate things like expert judgment with the limited data that you've got, and you kinda, like, build these causal models which explain help explain the data you're observing.
Seth Holehouse:So that makes sense. So when you when you came in to seeing what was happening with COVID, you know, for some folks, they, you know, they maybe they saw it coming or they already had a huge distrust of the government and big pharma and they were already at the very beginning saying this isn't right, I'm not gonna go along with it. But also, I think there's also people that are very critical thinkers that just apply their their thinking to situations that this doesn't really add up. So would you consider probably more of the latter that you you just were seeing what was happening?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So well, there are there are the sort of non mathematical things that you're seeing that happen which don't kind of add up like the bizarre restrictions that were put in place that type of thing you know the sort of the TikTok videos when the hospitals are supposed to be overrun you got that kind of weird stuff but was really primarily driven by the fact that they were basing the whole narrative on flawed data. So it was really a data driven issue because every day they were publishing these the data on the number of this massively increasing number of cases and hospitalizations and deaths due to COVID. And also publishing you know there was this impression that the infection fatality rate was very high and people thought if you got this condition then if you got this virus you are very likely to die. We saw we knew very early on from the early data that was publicly available that that was all complete nonsense.
Speaker 2:In fact, everything was really driven by this flawed PCR test. So all of the COVID cases I mean, just look at the way these things were. Just think about how the definitions of a cut look. So basically anybody who tested positive on a PCR test and we know how flawed those tests are especially for people without symptoms. It's actually very unlikely that people who were testing positive and classified as cases actually even went on to get any sort of serious symptoms.
Speaker 2:They were basically false positives, a lot of these people. But if you're basing your case, they're basing anybody who tests positive in a PCR test is classified as a case, see that they're not got symptoms, right? If you take someone that then you test positive, imagine this guy is forced to test positive in order to go to work. So thirteen days after that he's critically injured in a car crash and rushed to hospital but he's classified as a Covid hospital admission as well okay and if two weeks after being taken into the hospital he dies of his injuries then he's classified as a Covid death right because anybody who dies is in The UK and much of the rest of world anybody who dies within twenty eight days of a positive PCR test was classified as a Covid death. Now I think am I right in saying in The US, in some of the states, was actually sixty days.
Speaker 2:You could be classified if you were PCR positive within sixty days, you'd be classified as a COVID death. And of course, we know that this was all not only was this driving it was driving the narrative in so many ways, especially when they could alter the way the amount of testing that was done and they could adjust the CT threshold of the test so you'd get even more false positives essentially. So they were able to create initially they didn't do much initially the only people actually were being tested in the spring of twenty twenty were people already hospitalised and critically ill with COVID. So initially it looked like the infection fatality rate was really high, know that it really did look bad. But we knew that that was simply because, you know, you didn't know how many people really had this thing.
Speaker 2:And we also know with hindsight, course, a lot of those people dying who are classified as COVID as dying from COVID because of the PCR test. Even those who really did die, you know, with with you know, after having got a serious infection, a lot of them were actually dying as a result of the, if you like, the inappropriate response to the virus rather than the virus itself. So for example, certainly in The UK, I'm sure it was the same elsewhere in the world where we're finding out certainly was that people, a lot of people of course die once they get the infection. What they actually die of is in many cases the bacterial pneumonia And what they weren't doing, which they'd always done in the past, was give people the usual concoction of antibiotics for that. They weren't allowed to even give those things.
Speaker 2:They were putting them doing things like putting them on ventilators, which is sort of the worst thing you could do, giving them things like remdesivir, giving them in The UK a lot of midazolam. These were the things that they were essentially killing them with this treat, you know, with the poor treatment. And that was what was killing them rather than the virus itself. So you had all of that stuff. And then they were using the key thing is then they were using the they started to do mass testing of asymptomatic.
Speaker 2:In The UK for example, again it's the same in a lot of states in America. Once they were easing the lockdown around about late summer of twenty twenty because the COVID cases were going down. But what happened was that as people were going back to work or school they started to massively ramp up the testing. People had to get tested every day in order to go to work, to get to school. And of course, that massive ramp up of testing saw a massive increase in cases.
Speaker 2:But there was no significant increase in people with symptoms. And they were using that as to drive the fact that we're into this massive second wave. And the only way out of that second wave in the winter of twenty twenty-twenty twenty one was the vaccine program. And so that was all being driven by this flawed test. And all of these flawed definitions, and this is critical, also are driving the flawed efficacy and safety studies claimed in the vaccine for the vaccines themselves.
Speaker 2:So all that when you hear like 95% all the studies both the randomized controlled trials were saying ninety five percent effective, you get all the big observational studies when it was rolled out to populations saying ninety five percent effective. It's all basically it's a scam, right? It was a statistical scam because for example, we know that people within the first three weeks, within the first twenty one days, particularly the first two weeks of vaccination, a lot of people, disproportionate number of people were testing PCR positive. They were becoming COVID cases. But all of those people were classified as unvaccinated cases.
Speaker 2:And you do that trick, that simple trick, you can turn what we know is a placebo vaccine. You can by that statistical trick make it seem like it's ninety five percent effective before after three months of doing this, it will eventually wane and then hey presto, you're ready for a booster. It's all just it's a perfect it's a perfect pharma economic model but it actually is all just it's basically just a scam.
Seth Holehouse:It's a giant collection of criminal data manipulation you know then bridge that with the media being controlled, the medical journals, to, as I understand it, you know, in watching unfold, it was really about gearing everybody up for A, I think accepting lockdowns as a solution to fixing things and giving up their rights, but people feeling like the only solution was to rush off and get the vaccine. And so all along, they've told us it's safe and effective. Now know, as you mentioned, that the data that they're manipulating accomplished really two two things. One is that it increased the caseload, which may heighten the fear. But the second thing is it it presented a false trust, you know, a false presentation of the actually the efficacy of the actual jab itself.
Seth Holehouse:Folks, I've got a quick message for you. Right now, the world is very, very actively going through a process that the experts are calling de dollarization. And look, I've been talking about this for well over a year now, but maybe you're now starting to see it in the mainstream because they're now talking about it because it's really happening. What does this mean? Well, there's a few factors, but there's two main factors.
Seth Holehouse:One is that the BRICS nations, okay, this is Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and a whole coalition, they are actively getting rid of the US dollar. They're stopping their trade in the US dollar, and this is significant because the dollar's losing its status as the global reserve currency and as the petrodollar. This is what gives our dollar its value. But the other thing is that we have an enemy that's within our own government, Biden and his administration, they are actively working to destroy the dollar. And you can see it in their actions that they're not trying to save the dollar, they're actually trying to destroy it because they want to roll out their central bank digital currency.
Seth Holehouse:So you have these two forces coming in both the same time working to destroy the dollar because what happens when that dollar gets destroyed? Well, literally your life savings, if they're sitting in the dollar, whether it's in a savings account or a bank account or the stock market or an IRA or a four zero one k, those savings, that money could literally be wiped out in a matter of days, weeks, even a couple of months. We're already seeing it with inflation, which is gonna be much much worse. If you're seeing the writing on the wall and you're thinking, what can I do to protect myself? Well, there's a few recommendations that I always have.
Seth Holehouse:One is just to make sure you've got your food, if you have land, you know, ammunition, whatever it takes, real tangible assets. But fundamentally, the thing I recommend most is precious metals, gold and silver. Look, precious metals have survived the collapse of currencies, the rise and fall of civilization, and also a big factor in this is that the BRICS nations, their new currency they're introducing to replace the dollar, a lot of experts are saying it will be backed by commodities like precious metals, and so you can see there's gonna be a stabilization and I believe a dramatic increase in the value of precious metals. Not to mention, look at the back the past six months, we're seeing, you know, 30% plus increase in the prices of silver and gold. So if you would go back and say you put a hundred grand in the silver six months ago, it could be worth well over a hundred and 25, a hundred and $30,000 because the dollar is losing its value.
Seth Holehouse:So folks, if you want someone that you can trust for buying your precious metals or gold and silver, I would highly recommend Doctor. Kirk Elliott. So Doctor. Kirk Elliott is a good friend of mine, he's a strong Christian patriot. He understands what's happening in the world.
Seth Holehouse:He's got two PhDs, one in theology, one in economics. So it's the perfect blend of understanding realistically money in the end times. So if you want to set up a free consultation with Kirk's team, head on over to goldwithseth.com. So again, that's goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, it's goldwithseth.com.
Seth Holehouse:You go to the website, you scroll down, there's a simple form that you fill out right there. You put your email, name, contact information, and that sets you up for a free wealth consultation where you can talk to either Kirk or one of his experts to really understand what your options are. Or you can just call (720) 605-3900 to take action today. You know, one thing that you've really honed in honed in on in your data analysis is, you know, what's really happening with the vaccine, right? And so this is something I'd love to kind of hear your thoughts on is that, you know, they're telling us, of course, it's safe and effective, even if you're pregnant, etc.
Seth Holehouse:But you're looking at the numbers. Numbers don't lie unless someone's manipulating the numbers and then putting it on CNN and lying about it. Right? But you're looking at the hard data. What's the hard data telling you?
Speaker 2:The hard data, the way to the only way to determine the safety and efficacy, the best way, sorry, best, simplest, most objective way to measure to determine the safety and efficacy of a vaccine like this which is rolled out to you know large swathes, you know masses of population is to look at the all cause mortality in the months following the vaccine rollout. Because look if the virus was as deadly as was claimed and if the vaccine is as effective as claimed, then you should be saving a lot of lives of the vaccinated from dying of COVID. So you should get that massive reduction in COVID deaths amongst the vaccinated. And on the other hand, if the vaccine is as safe as they, you shouldn't be seeing any significantly more deaths from other causes I. From adverse reactions of those who are vaccinated.
Speaker 2:So the overall impact should you know, all cause mortality should be that amongst the vaccinated, you should see a reduction in all cause mortality compared to the unvaccinated. Now this there is absolutely overwhelming evidence that we are not seeing that. And if anything, the evidence even although you do have to get through, again, a lot of manipulated data to understand this, all the evidence points, of course, to an increase in all cause mortality amongst the vaccinated over the unvaccinated by the exact opposite. And that's the crucial thing.
Seth Holehouse:So, basically, that's a helpful way to look at it is that kind of like, if we have a pandemic, we should be seeing an extra amount of deaths than normal. If there's this deadly virus that's ripping across the world, and if they then release a very effective vaccine to stop the spread and to help people, you know, not die from that, then you'd almost see like if this is your flatline, you'd see it go up, you know, lots of deaths, deadly pandemic, oh, miracle vaccine, and it would drop below and it would at least go back to maybe say the previous baseline of before the pandemic started, right? So but you're saying the data is showing you something vastly different than that.
Speaker 2:It's even at the population level that's showing different, you just have to look at the countries, the most vaccinated countries are having not only the highest excess deaths, but even having the highest COVID death rates since the vaccination program. Mean, in particular it's very interesting to look at countries in Southeast Asia which were largely actually had very few you know take sort of Japan, Korea, they had very few deaths before the vaccine programme was rolled out and since then their COVID deaths have gone right up. But also I'd say the excess deaths in particularly in Western countries, the most heavily vaccinated Western countries of course have also gone up since the vaccination program. Now of course there are other potential contributing factors. We know that the long term impact of the lockdowns is causing excess deaths because people were denied access to normal medical care to get their early tests for cancer, heart disease, all that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:And so we're seeing an increase in those kinds of deaths associated with that because of that lack of diagnosis and adequate care. We're seeing all that but it's when you get into the detailed data that you can really see both the manipulation that they're pulling and the fact that people really are, it's the vaccinated who are dying in many cases directly because of the vaccination. So I'll give you an example because this is considered to be the best data. The best data is supposedly from the Office for National Statistics in The UK because they seem to have been the only ones to their credit who were trying to look at mortality data by a vaccinated by detailed vaccination status. Right?
Speaker 2:So they you can know that every single death was that person vaccinated, did they have one jab, two jabs, etcetera. They're supposed to be linking it. Now when they first started publicising, pushing this out and I think it was like they were publishing for the first six months after vaccination in 2021. They were looking at the data and on the face of it, it looked like the vaccinated were really, really benefiting from it. It looked like they're they're the all cause mortality.
Speaker 2:In fact, if you just look at the non COVID mortality, this is the interesting thing. The people dying of things other than COVID, it turns out that the that the vaccinated are dying at a much lower rate than the unvaccinated of things other than COVID, which is kind of weird. But then it's even worse. What we see is that overall, when you look at all cause mortality, there were peaks in all cause mortality in each age group just after the vaccine program was rolled out for that age group. So the peaks were appearing at different times for different age groups, and all the peaks were coinciding with when the vaccine rollout reached its peak for that age group.
Speaker 2:So to me that says, hang on a sec, that means suddenly people peep there are more people dying shortly after the vaccination program in each age group. So what what's going on here? You look at their data and it turns out that at that point, there weren't that many COVID deaths. So you almost COVID deaths were incidental at that point in in that period in The UK. It was the non COVID deaths that are going up shortly after vaccination for the unvaccinated.
Speaker 2:We think, hang on sec. If you're not getting vaccinated why is that making you more likely to die of something other than Covid just for the time when they're vaccinating people? Well basically it turned out we know why this happened they were simply misclassifying a lot of these people dying shortly after getting their vaccination and there were a lot of those people were being classified as unvaccinated deaths. And in fact we know and even if they hadn't they claimed, oh, well, it's less so healthy vaccine. They claimed all kind of things to try and get around this.
Speaker 2:But there was no way around it. And once you look to this data, the only way to explain this data was that people were dying, that quite a lot of people were dying shortly after vaccination. And and and once you adjusted for all of their biases, there was no doubt that in more or less at each age group, there were excess deaths all directly because of the vaccination. And but you've also got the other evidence from things like the when you in The U in The US, you've got the various reporting system. In The UK, we've got the yellow card reporting system.
Speaker 2:So we've got that evidence as well, and we've kind of done various analysis to know how many deaths were directly and indirectly caused by the vaccine from those figures. So, you know, in The for example, in the in in the in The US based on theirs. I think it was we were looking at something like one hundred and up until March using some fairly conservative assumptions about the reporting, underreporting rate and also about the accuracy and the validity of of of the of the reports. But you're talking about a hundred and I think a hundred and twenty five thousand deaths in The UK, Sixteen Thousand deaths up until, again, about the February or early two thousand twenty three. Not massive numbers, I mean some people I know that there are others who are claiming half a million, million, no.
Speaker 2:I mean without what we're talking about is enough deaths to explain maybe about forty percent in total of all the excess deaths we're now seeing. So we believe that the other excess deaths probably are caused by things like the longer term impact of the lockdowns. But there are, I'd say there is a significant number of being caused by the vaccines, not the hundreds of thousands that some are claiming but many thousands in The US, tens of thousands, many thousands in The UK, possibly probably tens of thousands in The US. And for what? This is the thing.
Speaker 2:If this is the thing, if it was saving lives, right, you'd say, okay. Then, you know, you're gonna some people are gonna die of the vaccine, but you're saving more. But it's not. It's not nobody anymore. There is no rationale.
Speaker 2:There is no risk benefit advantage in taking this vaccine for anybody anymore. Don't I don't oh, they say, oh, those most at risk. They're still less likely to be hospitalized and die from COVID. No. No.
Speaker 2:There is no evidence for that. The people claiming that evidence are using flawed and manipulated data to do so.
Seth Holehouse:And I'm sure that these people have access to similar data that you do, and they could draw similar conclusions that you have. So why do you think though, that they still continue to push this narrative, they still continue to push, get boosters that you know, in The United States, they recently approved it for the childhood vaccine schedule. I mean, that to me, it's like, okay, if they made a big mistake, they rushed it, they screwed it up, they realize it's bad. It's like, okay, look, we know we're gonna stop it. But it's like that all happened.
Seth Holehouse:But they're continuing to advance the agenda. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 2:It's because I I mean, I don't know. I mean, I I think that they have such total control over all of the relevant of of the media, the academics, the clinicians. The pharma industry has got unbelievable control here and they have got a perfect economic model. This COVID vaccine, which they effectively saying people are going to to take forever, is making the pharma companies billions. Why would they not do it if they've got control over the media and all of the researchers to such an extent that those who are pointing out that their data is flawed and their claims of safety and ethical flawed are simply not able to be heard.
Speaker 2:They can make sure that we're not heard. We are massively censored. We cannot get this, we cannot get our work and our detailed research published in any mainstream peer reviewed journal. We can't even get it. We even get it censored from the preprint service, which is supposed to basically publish be able to put anything out.
Speaker 2:It's not reviewed. That's the whole point. We can't even get it there. We have to resort to sort of substack or I mean, one there are I mean, ResearchGate, we managed to put it on until eventually they'll probably take stuff off there. So you can get the stuff out and people do read it.
Speaker 2:You actually get we get hundreds of thousands of reads, more than we'd actually get in the peer reviewed journals. But it's only to people who are plugged in to the sort of counter narrative network. The main you know, the 95% of the population who are outside who rely on the mainstream media for their news have no idea about the things that I'm talking about in general because it's just not out there. We can't get this out there. And, course, we've been vilified.
Speaker 2:I've had well over 300 peer reviewed papers, got seven books, very well respected in my field up until when I started to question the Covid narrative. At which point, of course, I'm called a conspiracy theorist, a spread of misinformation and completely you know basically turned into an academic prior. I mean I ended up you know there were other reasons as well but I ended up effectively you know retiring my professorship at Queen Mary University of London. Mean I am still an Emeritus Professor there which is an honorary title, but I had to give up, you know, my my full time post. You know, in in many respects, it's because of the, you know, the attacks that that were against me and and the fact that there was no defect, you know, the nobody was standing up for me.
Speaker 2:Know, are very few people. I mean, in a sense, people say, you know, they admire me for doing this. But no, was I had my career and I was in a position where I could retire. But there are lots of people who know what's going on and totally agree with this, so not in a position to speak up because they know it will damage and basically it will end their career in academia or in also the clinicians as well. They can't speak up, they'll be out of a job.
Seth Holehouse:And I feel like that as much as we want to place blame on the, you know, whether it's the George Soros, the Claus Schwab's, or, know, the corrupt politicians, or, you know, it's so much of this has happened because we've just allowed it to happen. And we've to look at the data, you know, and I've heard so many stories, even in your recent interview with Doctor. Malik, where you're talking, and he was talking about patients that he's had that come in and they just had a really bad heart attack. He says, Look, like you've never had heart issues. There's no heart problems running in your family.
Seth Holehouse:You know, what happened? And they say, Oh, I got the booster the day before. And you might say, oh, well, do you think that maybe the booster might have caused the heart attack? And they say, oh, no. No.
Seth Holehouse:Like that, it didn't. It didn't. Alright. So the the cognitive dissonance is just incredible. It's it's like Oh, it is.
Seth Holehouse:And so what do you make of that?
Speaker 2:Oh, I knew this was gonna be a problem again right from the start of the vaccination program. Right? Because in The UK or everywhere, they were rolled where they rolled it out, they rolled it out actually to the oldest and most vulnerable first. Okay? And it just so happens that on the I think it was the January 2, it was literally just a couple of weeks off they first started the rollout.
Speaker 2:A friend of mine's father, an elderly man, but it was an elderly man, but he was in perfectly okay health, got the vaccine. He was dead within twenty four hours. And of course, the fact that I may even mention this or raise this as an issue because I knew he was getting vaccinated and then suddenly he was dead within twenty four hours. Because they were thinking it was a great thing, getting vaccinated. They were really pushing him.
Speaker 2:The very fact that I raised this, oh, he got back. You know, was taboo. They I was completely they they they did not want to hear it. So this would certainly never have been recorded, for example, into the bears or yellow card system. This is the again, under I knew there was gonna be a massive problem with underreporting.
Speaker 2:But also, as you say, the cognitive dissonance. Right? They absolutely the last thing they wanted to know or think about was that there might be a causal relationship between the vaccine and the death. They just people said, oh, it was just his time to die. He lived a good long life, etcetera.
Speaker 2:And I've seen this over and over again with friends who, for example, have effectively got sort of turbo you know, who were in remission from cancer and then, you know, get their booster in particular. Three weeks later, they're dead from, you know, the the the cancer sort of turbo cancer. But if you even mention this to any members of family, they're absolutely disgusted. You know, they don't want to they don't want to speak about it. People absolutely do not make do not want to make the link.
Seth Holehouse:And so when we look around and we look at all the different agencies and governments and media corporations and medical journals and medical schools. And you see all of it seems like this is all captured. That whatever enemy is, they've seized control of all of the mechanisms that are used to create the reality around most people. And so they look around, they see the billboard that aligns with what the guy on TV says, which aligns what they heard on the podcast, which aligns to what their friend told them at the water cooler at the office. They've really done an incredible job.
Seth Holehouse:You have to give them some credit for their success in blanketing the entire earth with a central message. And as you mentioned before, the amount of control they have, it makes sense. I mean, it's it's it's every person's dream. It's like, imagine you have a business and you sell, you know, you sell cakes, and you can make it so that your customers are forced to buy a cake every week for the rest of their lives. It's like you you would be you'd be banking so much money.
Seth Holehouse:Whereas here, not only are they building this program to create these lifelong booster customers, but the boosters are also the things that are causing them to have autoimmune disorders and oh, where do you go next? Go back to big pharma for the drug to fix the thing that their first drug screwed up and then it catapults and it, you know, kind of has a domino effect. Before you know it, they've got someone who's 60 years old that's on 16 different medications and they're, hey, they're a great customer. So with all of that, though, what what can we do for people that see this for what it is? It feels like it's not even David versus Goliath.
Seth Holehouse:It's almost like we're David versus Goliath with a pet dragon. And it's like, it's so it seems like such a massive battle to fight. So what can we, the people, do?
Speaker 2:I think that you just you just have to look at some of the people need to think about some of the claims that have been made and just to think carefully about how insane they are. I'll give you an example and it's a very important one actually because again this is one which is used to close down any debate about the potential issues of vaccine safety. They're claiming this twenty million lives saved with the vaccine Now where do they get that number? Apart from this was actually based on one of these ridiculous models, these foul models from Imperial College. Let's think how ridiculous this claim is.
Speaker 2:What are they basing it on? They're basing it on their own efficacy. They're saying well the vaccine's ninety five percent, it's got ninety five percent efficacy therefore what that amount amounts to is for every five deaths after vaccination there would have been a hundred more deaths if there had been no vaccine. That supposedly is where you get your so basically for every life lost through COVID you're going have twenty lives saved. That means if you observe one million COVID deaths in that period, which is what I think they said for the whole world, that's where they get their twenty million lives saved.
Speaker 2:Now forget about the fact that that efficacy figure we know is completely wrong. Just think about it logically. We know who's dying. Who's dying of COVID? It's mate, it's the 70 plus.
Speaker 2:And we know that the if if if someone who's 70 plus gets COVID, there's at most at most a one hundred chance they're gonna die of COVID. That would mean you'd have to have two billion in the period in that eighteen months when they did the study. You'd have to have two billion seventy plus people over the world who contracted COVID in those eighteen months. There aren't even that many old people in the world. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:And in any case this whole thing, the other thing is that they make up these, they're basing their predictions also about the increase in Covid cases on flawed models and then they're looking at the they're comparing that they're predicting it's going to go up like this. And then in practice, they see it went like this. And they're saying, oh, well, the difference then is how many lives we say. I mean, it's just all nonsense. You've got to expose the sort of the ludicrousness of this.
Speaker 2:And yet, mean rather sadly, there's an example that they're using stuff like that, let's say, to close down and debate about vaccine safety. There was a woman called Iskra Reich who was the AstraZeneca European vice president who actually in the European parliament used exactly that argument. She cited that Lancet study when people were saying talking about how many lives that have actually been lost because of the vaccine. She closed it down by saying, well, it does it doesn't matter because effectively she's saying, if you can't show me the at least twenty million lives dead from the vaccine, then there's still a benefit of the vaccine. So we're never gonna win.
Speaker 2:But just you've got to highlight how ridiculous their arguments are. That's I think you've just got to almost kinda, like, laugh at them.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. I guess that's all we can do. Is try try to get other people to see that information. So before we we sign up sign off, I wanna pull up two websites for folks to follow you. So this is your Twitter feed, which I would highly recommend people follow you on here.
Seth Holehouse:It's at professor, n as as in Norman, Fenton. And then also in your profile there, have the link wherearethenumbers.substack.com where people can find your information. And you're right. I mean, this is I think we have to just take our education into our own hands, see through this, teach those around the around us, use data, use information you're putting together and say, look, this is flawed. It's it's you're being led astray.
Seth Holehouse:These people are actually bad. They've got ill intentions, and we have to to unite. So do you have any, any closing thoughts as we conclude here?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, I painted a kind of like a pessimistic, you know, picture of this. I could be more pessimistic and say that my fear is that this was always the Covid lockdowns and the whole know, SIOPs around that was always a precursor for the climate lockdowns. I've got plenty of evidence for that as well. So I that the message would be for people to be on the lookout for the same it's happening, the same psyops, the same lies, the same flawed models, same flawed data are being used to convince people that this climate crisis and the need for sort of the net zero and the need for effect effects you know, eventually, climate lockdowns, your lack of travel, and all that stuff. It's you know, you need to be aware that that that that's what the that's where this is all leading.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah, I couldn't agree more. It's like if the enemy attacks, you know, at night, you know, in the woods, you know, one time, you know, you put some sentries out there, right? Don't let it happen again. Because we got taken off guard with this, a lot of people, a lot of really smart people went along with it, then they realized the whole thing was a mascicle psychological operation, but we can't let that happen again. So, Professor Fenton, thank you so much for what you're doing.
Seth Holehouse:Thank you for coming on the show. It's been great to have you on here. And again, I encourage folks to check you out on Twitter and your Substack.
Speaker 2:Thanks a lot.
Seth Holehouse:Alright, folks. I've got a quick message for you. I have one simple question. If today you could no longer go purchase more food for your family with the food stores that you have in your home, how long would you be able to feed your family? Would it be a week, three weeks, a month, two months, a year?
Seth Holehouse:This is a really important question folks that we have to be very realistic about because the elites are proactively trying to put us into a state of food crisis and a state of famine. I'm sure you've seen all of the different food processing plants and farms that are blowing up. You've got cattle dying by the tens of thousands. They're proactively trying to collapse our food system because they know if they can control our food, they can control us. And so one of the best ways to be outside of their control is to be able to have our own stores of food and to be able to produce our own food.
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