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Featuring Wilford Brimley, Timothee Chalamet, Chris Pratt, Melissa McCarthy and Barack Obama as Garraka.
Creators & Guests
What is Popcorn & Plot Holes?
Movies are fun! Movies are awesome! But movies can sometimes be very, very weird... or just plain terrible. In this intersection of fun, awesome, weird and terrible is where Matt, Luciano, Chris and Spencer live and thrive. They'll be watching the latest FACTS (Fantasy, Action, Comic, Thriller, Sci-Fi) movies available on streaming services and sharing their equally awesome, fun, weird and terrible thoughts on them. Welcome to Popcorn & Plot Holes!
Matt (00:00.522)
Hello and welcome to Bob corn and plot holes I Said I said popcorn I don't know what you're talking about Listen rewind the tape if you're listening to this just now and if I said Bob corn don't listen to this podcast ever again And if I said popcorn
Luciano (00:06.512)
Bob Bobcorn? Who's Bobcorn?
Chris (00:08.481)
Bob Newhart? Bobcat Goldthwait?
Chris (00:14.753)
What up, what
Luciano (00:14.854)
Yes.
Matt (00:22.986)
Keep going. Listen, we killed Spencer. Ability to record podcasts. Yeah, his positivity was really throwing off my vibe.
Chris (00:28.281)
shit.
Luciano (00:28.75)
It was about time. It was about
Matthew Ward (00:31.692)
Hahaha!
Chris (00:33.367)
What did y 'all didn't tell me what you did with the body either. It's cause I have the loosest lips. my
Luciano (00:35.548)
Hahaha!
Matt (00:39.262)
It's under a peer as is, yeah. Yeah, we had Spencer's body under a peer. Is that what you heard from Chris?
Matthew Ward (00:40.554)
I've heard that actually from Chris. I've seen the writing on the wall.
Chris (00:44.375)
See? Roll them up in a carpet and throw them off a bridge. Yes.
Matthew Ward (00:48.022)
No, about his loose lips. Yeah.
Matt (00:51.018)
What you guys do in your private time is none of our business. We did, however, watch a movie. Not together. We stayed very apart from each other for this one. We watched Ghostbusters Frozen Empire, not Frozen Throne, as my brain wants it to be. is... Eh, might come back around. There may be a lich going on in this movie. I don't know how a sererac works. That's the wrong lich. What's his name?
Chris (00:55.915)
Mmm. Mmm. Completely.
Luciano (00:59.61)
Yes.
Luciano (01:07.302)
I mean, it's almost
Chris (01:10.155)
Is that a Diddy thing?
Chris (01:18.871)
Sit
Matt (01:20.186)
I said a Sarah Rack, but that's the wrong lich. That's a lich from Dungeons and Dragons. it's not that lich either. The lich we're talking about, potential lich, is Garaka. From... That's called a Segway, folks. Very professional. Yeah. We watch Ghostbusters Frozen Throne. Let's see here. It's the... James Haycaster. No, he's not the right vehicle. Emily Allen Lind? No, that's
Chris (01:22.539)
Okay, cool. I was thinking juggernaut.
Luciano (01:22.982)
You mean Arthas?
Luciano (01:30.659)
this? Okay. Nice. Nicely done.
Chris (01:32.573)
Yes.
Matt (01:49.226)
Bill Murray, William Atherton, Dan Aykroyd, Kerry Kuhn, Paul
Finn Wolfhard?
Luciano (02:01.422)
It's the Slimer vehicle.
Chris (02:01.511)
Ahhhh... HA!
Matthew Ward (02:03.149)
Mmm.
Matt (02:03.306)
Slammer? What about Kumail Nanjiani?
Chris (02:06.999)
Eww!
Luciano (02:08.115)
There's way too many people in this fucking movie.
Matt (02:08.606)
Alright, it's the, it's the, who knows? It's the Mechanic Race Vehicle. I'm going with that one.
This movie may have too many characters, we'll get to that in a minute. First, we're being positive before we get to that. Let's all be positive, gentlemen. Actually, before that, I forgot we should introduce you all. It's fine. Spencer's gone, the Union is broken, I'm in complete control.
Chris (02:18.733)
May.
Luciano (02:24.24)
was gonna say, who is we? Who is we?
Chris (02:26.831)
They fucking know.
Luciano (02:35.462)
Ehh
Matt (02:35.636)
Wow, we had to get a replacement for Spencer, but that's spoilers. With me, you heard Chris. Hey, what's up? Luciano?
Chris (02:39.605)
You can't, it's not rough space for me. hi, sorry.
Luciano (02:48.032)
Hello, I would like to also be a character in the Ghostbusters
Matt (02:51.77)
I mean, think you were one of the little cute little state puff guys. Listen, we've added a Spencer replacement until such time as his body's recovered from parts unknown.
Chris (02:51.915)
Ooh!
Luciano (02:55.939)
that's right. Yeah.
Chris (02:57.229)
I knew you had it in
Matthew Ward (02:57.823)
Hmm?
Matt (03:08.537)
I've legally call you Other Matt because it makes my life easier, but I don't know if there's a better way to refer to
Matthew Ward (03:15.086)
I wonder, actually. I like the idea of wolf hard, but I don't think I'm a wolf. So what would be a good one for that?
Chris (03:21.389)
Greece Lightning!
Matt (03:24.723)
Mm
Chris (03:33.207)
Stay hard, mat hard, ward hard, are...
Matt (03:33.216)
Mr. Jerbo hard.
Matthew Ward (03:35.16)
Gerbil hard's not bad. I was gonna say guinea pig, but I'm also Italian, so that has some connotations there that might not work super well. Calling myself guinea hard, I don't think that's a good way to go.
Luciano (03:42.33)
But well, you can say
Matt (03:42.429)
Yeah.
Chris (03:49.345)
You should call yourself Stay Hard like David Goggins
Matthew Ward (03:53.948)
or puff hard, because I can go stay puff hard.
Luciano (03:56.76)
Or how about die hard like David Carradine?
Matthew Ward (03:59.726)
die hard. Let's just all agree that I'm hard. So, you know, we'll just stay with
Chris (04:01.443)
Matt (04:08.788)
Great, all
Chris (04:10.785)
I'm hard. Can you tell me what your thoughts are on the Yeah. This will work.
Matthew Ward (04:16.152)
Well, I think it's self -explanatory.
Matt (04:19.594)
Just so we're clear, he said, I'm hard is how we're referring to him. Okay, great. Good. Everyone now recognize the great gentleman from the state of I'm hard. We will proceed with the rest of the podcast. We're gonna talk about positive things. We always go positive just in case the movie's not good like this one. Spoilers, I said it, it's pretty bad. We'll get there. Positive things first. Chris, what was your favorite positive thing in this movie? Good thing, fun.
Matthew Ward (04:22.413)
Mm -hmm.
Matthew Ward (04:28.962)
You
Chris (04:30.157)
I'm hard.
Luciano (04:41.562)
there.
Chris (04:47.925)
I yeah the futility of Trevor trying to catch Slimer over and over again with no real resolution like Because he didn't really get I didn't get too much practice with the with the proton pack in the first one like he had a little
Luciano (05:01.21)
No, but he got spunked in the face a couple of times.
Chris (05:04.449)
Well, that's not really the... Okay, well, someone's gotta get slimed and I guess that's part of his journey, which really sets up for a really interesting spin -off, RomCom Road Trip. If you wanna call that slime hard, then do what you will with that.
Luciano (05:10.695)
Yeah, it definitely was.
Luciano (05:22.118)
damn. Spinning, spinning fire.
Matt (05:23.988)
Hey man, save your hot fire for the questions section where those things are asked.
Chris (05:29.975)
There are five ideas that are waiting to be executed. Slime hard, slime hard, slime hard, slime hard, and slime hard because Wolfhard spits hot fire.
Luciano (05:39.409)
Too slime too hard.
Matt (05:39.72)
I'm going to, I'm going to yield your time. The great gentlemen from the state of Quebec.
Chris (05:42.955)
I'm ready, do
Matt (05:49.288)
And we're going to move down to somebody else. Luciano, what was your favorite part of this movie?
Luciano (05:53.862)
there isn't a whole lot to like. I'm torn. I'm torn in between just James A. Castor being this and Paul Rudd quoting the theme song to Carrie or whatever the mom's name is. Callie. Yeah. Including, Busting Makes Me Feel Good. Along with the call, along with the call. He's like, and let me tell you something. What's
Matthew Ward (06:18.561)
Mmm.
Chris (06:18.688)
It makes me feel
Luciano (06:23.77)
Busting makes me feel good. I got a genuine chuckle out of that. So I think that I'm gonna go with
Matt (06:28.094)
Yeah. OK, that's it. That's all you got. All right. I'm hard. What do you get?
Chris (06:29.847)
You
Matthew Ward (06:33.74)
Mm -hmm.
So we're thinking of... I mean... So we're thinking of positive stuff for this movie, right?
Chris (06:36.705)
I need a man to hug and kiss.
Matt (06:42.944)
Just one positive thing. Don't veer off a cliff yet. We'll get there when we're all done one positive
Chris (06:43.265)
Mm -hmm, mm -hmm, mm -hmm. Just one.
Luciano (06:43.521)
Yes.
Matthew Ward (06:50.094)
I really liked Peter Benkman. I thought he was brief in this movie, but just brought some of the best lines like, tall, dark and horny coming your way, coming our way or something like that. Like, come on. I mean, this is the guy who was just...
Luciano (07:02.839)
Yes. Throwing pencils at Nadim.
Matthew Ward (07:08.43)
I mean, that, you know, it brought back the old Ghostbuster feel. So for me, that was my best
Matt (07:17.706)
That's, yeah, okay, good job. You did it. That's very true. Yeah, you didn't. I'm just, I said you did a good job. I don't know why you're getting mad at me. I'm sorry. I'll never compliment you ever again. That's on me, I guess. That's my fault.
Luciano (07:19.024)
Fair. That's fair.
Matthew Ward (07:21.442)
You said don't go off the cliff, I mean...
Chris (07:24.257)
yet.
Luciano (07:32.443)
That's your mistake,
Chris (07:34.518)
He thrives on constant judging and negativity.
Luciano (07:39.949)
no, yeah, he's moved by nagging. That's why, yeah.
Matt (07:42.29)
Okay, fair enough. I'll steal a D. I can bring it. Good things about this movie... I mean, thought the pokeball they used to trap Garaka, I thought all of the lore behind that was the most interesting thing of the entire movie.
Chris (07:42.529)
Yes. Hey, there you
Matthew Ward (08:02.509)
Listen.
Luciano (08:02.722)
Yeah, yeah. The whole thing about like the backstory of Garaka and what happened there. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah, I agree.
Matt (08:04.18)
You know, they did a good job. Yeah. Even like the little opening scene where they go back in time and like, and they show like the old, you know, whatever monster hunters club that all got killed when Garaka was unleashed the last time.
Matthew Ward (08:05.431)
Yeah.
Matthew Ward (08:19.607)
Right.
Luciano (08:20.126)
yeah, whatever, Assholes League of Manhattan or whatever the fuck that was. Yeah.
Matt (08:25.48)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think that that was well done and well executed for the five minutes they had to deal with it. then they, spoiler, shot the bed.
Luciano (08:35.494)
They drove off a cliff themselves. On a hearse.
Chris (08:37.293)
Hahaha!
Matt (08:38.868)
Yeah.
Chris (08:40.395)
most
Matt (08:42.826)
So let's just like, let's get into it. I don't, there's so many avenues to attack the sun. think, I think we have to start with the one I brought up at the very beginning of this. This movie has so many people they need to feature that it like crushes the movie's ability to tell a coherent story. Right? Cause we have, we have from the Ghostbusters Afterlife. So the first in the reboot series that they acknowledged because for some reason,
Matthew Ward (09:01.536)
Mm -hmm, very much so.
Matt (09:12.618)
The Patriarchy is won out and we just don't acknowledge the all -female cast.
Luciano (09:16.26)
Yeah, so it goes like GB1, GB2, Afterlife? Is that the canon? Okay. I didn't watch Afterlife, by the way. Just, yeah, I was fine. Yeah, this was just as incoherent with or without it,
Matt (09:19.54)
Yes, yeah.
Matt (09:24.37)
You'll be fine, don't worry.
Matt (09:29.897)
Yeah. when you get into this, have coming from afterlife, have Paul Rudd's character, Kerry Kuhn's character, which is Cali. That's why you got it wrong, Luciano. We have Finn Wolfhard's character, which is Trevor. Sorry, Paul Rudd is Gary Gruberson. And obviously McKenna Grace is Phoebe. We've added Kumail Nanjiani as Nadeem. Patton Oswalt as Dr. Hubert Wardsky. Celeste O 'Connor is back as Lucky.
Logan Kim is back as podcast. We've also added melody We've added Lars who is James a caster melody is Emily Allen Lind And of course, we're bringing back bill Murray Dan Aykroyd Ernie Hudson and he pots William Atherton And that's just sort of the quote -unquote top cast of people that you would recognize and know now The reason why I listen most they have meaningful maybe not Any pot sorry, but the rest of all have meaningful
Contributions to the movie. That's not fair. They exist. Let's get past that. They exist. are. Yeah, they require lines. Yeah. So that's just too much. Right?
Luciano (10:30.51)
I'd call them meaningful. Yeah they existed they show up on the screen they show up on the screen they have lines is what you're saying.
Matthew Ward (10:33.398)
Yeah, yeah, that's more accurate.
Matthew Ward (10:38.798)
They... Yeah.
Luciano (10:40.58)
Yeah, that's fair.
Matthew Ward (10:47.468)
Yeah, way over stuff.
Luciano (10:50.042)
Yeah, it's you can tell that they know that they had too many characters because they try to have, you know, when like when you're in a group with like children and they're like giving ideas for something and you want to make sure the quiet ones speak up as well. And you go, how about you? That's what they do. But with lines.
Chris (10:50.349)
How do you even make things happen when you have so many
Matt (11:09.472)
Yeah.
Matthew Ward (11:10.242)
Yeah, yeah, that's accurate.
Luciano (11:13.688)
right? It's, you can tell that they're like, fuck, like, Celeste O 'Connor hasn't spoken in so much time in this movie, let's give her a line. Like, fuck, James A. Castee is quiet, let's give him a line. Like, it's, it's, it's very, and it's disjointed even to the point
Chris (11:14.252)
and
Chris (11:33.064)
doesn't allow for you to really sink into the moments or the beats that need to happen.
Luciano (11:39.3)
Honestly, I spent several chunks of the movie forgetting that part of the cast existed.
Matt (11:46.8)
Yeah, because they like you don't have long enough to attach yourself to them. And certainly, you know, you could make a case for a while if you watched the previous movie, it is a sequel, you would be attached to the family. like, not everybody comes into a movie and remembers let alone has watched the previous movie. I mean, you have to care a little bit like when you come in to watch them, you can release your care since the movie is over.
Matthew Ward (12:05.186)
Yeah.
Luciano (12:05.369)
or care.
Matthew Ward (12:12.994)
Yeah, there's just so many people in this movie that you could literally tell people who've seen it that this other person was in the movie and they just believe it. Like you could literally, I could literally say to you all, Samuel Jackson was in this film and he was phenomenal. And every single one of you would probably be positive he wasn't there, but not brave enough to correct it because there's a chance he was.
Luciano (12:14.096)
fair.
Luciano (12:23.15)
Yeah, that's true.
Luciano (12:37.698)
Especially if you get someone a little less famous like for sure you're gonna say
Chris (12:38.849)
Motherfucker!
Matthew Ward (12:43.414)
I could tell you I was in it. That's where Spencer is. He's in that movie now. That's how many people were there. He's in the Ghostbusters.
Chris (12:43.671)
Like blink and you'll miss
Luciano (12:47.814)
that makes sense. Yeah, he's Slimer. But we knew that.
Chris (12:53.643)
He's, you know, diversifying his portfolio.
Matt (12:57.758)
Yeah, that makes sense. You bring up the cameos and I think, I mean, I don't know if this, how badly, if any, does this movie suffer from? We literally just went Deadpool Wolverine who did all those things exactly how you should do
Matthew Ward (13:12.374)
with no plot.
Matt (13:14.334)
Well, yes, with no plot, also like no requirements on them, right? You show somebody and they exist for the amount of time you need them and you never have to deal with them again. But this movie, like, you know, Melody, for example, we keep having to go back to Melody because she's the one who tricks, convinces Phoebe into being a dumbass. And it's like they keep hitting that beat because they need it for the story. OK, fine. And then we have this friggin the Fire Master and I'm like, why do we care about the Fire Master? Why can't the Ghostbusters do this?
And it's just like you're adding all these pieces in and it's just like the connections just fray almost
Matthew Ward (13:47.532)
And a lot of those characters were new characters, so it was kind of like, what did we need them for? Like, we could have gone one or either way. I think it could have worked with them or without them. Like, with the Ghostbusters doing the job or with those guys doing the job. Pick one. Pick a link!
Matt (13:50.324)
Yes.
Luciano (14:00.763)
Exactly. That was actually something that I felt during the movie. You were talking, Matt, about how the little exposition that the NICRO does for the backstory of Garaka, or maybe it's Pat Noswold. And I remember thinking after they're done with that, I'm like, this is such a cool idea, but why is it in the Ghostbusters movie? This could have been its own thing.
Matt (14:02.836)
Right,
Luciano (14:27.908)
and the Fire Masters just capturing like pick four random dudes that are now the Fire Masters and they don't know about it. Put some hijinks in, right? And then you have the Fire Masters, who you're gonna call the Fire Masters, not the Ghostbusters. They didn't have to be in this for the story because Garaka isn't a ghost, right? So it's, I was like, why is this a Ghostbusters movie in the end? Makes no sense.
Chris (14:46.701)
Mmm.
Matthew Ward (14:53.006)
I felt like was the Fire Masters were adjacent to the Key Master. So they were just trying to rehash. Which is kind of what this whole movie is. It feels like it's like re -warmed, re -fried Ghostbusters.
Matt (15:07.53)
But they didn't even just rehash it. like...
It's like, what's the best example? It's like they gave you like a fancy pasta dinner one night and they just changed
Luciano (15:20.452)
and gave you instant ramen the next.
Matt (15:23.156)
Well, no, I was going to say that they gave you the same thing, but just put a little bit of ketchup on top. So it's just like, it's just slightly different. Jesus. Shots fired. I guess that's one sponsor we're not going to get anymore.
Matthew Ward (15:27.47)
Mmm... The Jolly Bee of movies. They snuck some hot dog pieces in there when I wasn't looking.
Luciano (15:27.995)
I see. They tricked... They tricked
Matthew Ward (15:39.682)
You
Chris (15:40.993)
Be -be -be -be -be -yong!
Luciano (15:44.922)
Yeah. The list is growing, but it's okay. Yeah.
Matt (15:48.297)
It really is.
Chris (15:49.741)
Worthers is still on lock. Anyways.
Matt (15:51.05)
But that's, thank God.
Luciano (15:52.698)
Well, I mean, that's for life, partnership for life.
Matt (15:55.462)
Old white people, that's only market apparently.
Chris (15:58.835)
only and increasing.
Matt (16:01.342)
Increasing. But yeah, no, think that to me that's what it is, right? Like they don't give you the exact same thing. They didn't Star Wars this. But like it's worse the way they did it. It's very like, so when I say Star Wars, didn't Force Awakens, right? But they did solo it in the sense that all the references have to be there so you can be like the state plus marshmallows are here and
Matthew Ward (16:17.845)
Yeah.
Luciano (16:24.262)
I see. Yeah, the
Chris (16:25.268)
yes.
Matt (16:27.392)
Even like, what's the painting from Ghostbusters 2? What's his face? Somehow, yeah, Vigo, he was in the little science center and it's just like, but that doesn't exist, it went away. They had the picture of themselves at the end of Ghostbusters
Matthew Ward (16:31.01)
Vigo or something? Vigo.
Luciano (16:33.798)
yeah! my god, I forgot that. Yeah, why?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, it's like, let's not let sense or plot get in the way of us trying to pander to nostalgia people. That's because that's, that's what it was like bringing bringing any pots back. Malnitz like literally had no like just couldn't remove their character. I think hers is the most egregious because you can have removed her.
Matthew Ward (16:46.498)
Yeah, that's true.
Chris (16:48.161)
Be candid.
Chris (16:55.757)
It's almost
Matt (17:08.618)
Yes.
Luciano (17:10.22)
and literally nothing would have changed. Like they didn't even have to maybe cut a couple of dialogue lines from people and that's
Matt (17:18.09)
Well, you're right, because in the case of all the rest of the cameos, even Bill Murray's, they give him a reason to be there. They need to talk to him to do something, right? And I don't remember that Eugene...
Janine, sorry, even had that amount to
Chris (17:36.717)
Okay.
Luciano (17:39.65)
No, she shows up, puts on the uniform with the name with her neck name patch on and helps then I cried and Bill Murray to pull down a lever. That's what she does in this movie. Yeah.
Matt (17:51.168)
Great job.
Matthew Ward (17:51.896)
Yeah, but they're old, so mean, that's a big deal.
Matt (17:54.88)
Sure, she's younger in comparison.
Luciano (17:55.64)
I mean, yes, but like her being there is lessons that because they could have let two old people achieve something instead of
Matthew Ward (17:56.504)
You ever seen old people achieve things? It's amazing. You got, it's like
Matthew Ward (18:05.524)
Listen, every time an old person in my house does or achieves something, it's like a toddler's birthday. We all just clap. We light a small fire, have them blow it out. We applaud again. It's a beautiful scene. And I'm pretty sure that's why these people are
Chris (18:17.101)
Hmm. Hmm.
Luciano (18:18.219)
So listeners, what you don't know listeners is that other Matt lives alone. So he's saying he's clapping for himself.
Matthew Ward (18:23.82)
Yes. Well, I'm saying that they died because they were old and they exerted themselves. And that is what that smell is. But the point that I'm trying to make is that you should celebrate your elders for what they can do. And if a letter is all they can do, well then, you know, pull away.
Chris (18:30.547)
Mmmmm.
Chris (18:35.784)
Mmmmm
Chris (18:43.819)
Why am I getting so many cocoon vibes off of this
Matt (18:43.924)
Let me it up.
Luciano (18:46.752)
no, that's true!
Matthew Ward (18:49.432)
Pull away is also what I usually do in my free time too. But that's just a side note.
Matt (18:54.996)
Great. We're not going to touch that, but I am going to remark the fact that Wil... like Wilford Brimley in Cocoon, like Paul Wright is way older than Wilford Brimley was in real life when he was in Cocoon, right? Yes. He's dead.
Chris (18:55.138)
I see.
Matthew Ward (18:58.293)
I mean, I do. Sorry.
Luciano (19:01.541)
That's on you.
Matthew Ward (19:11.736)
But does he also have diabetes?
Luciano (19:11.939)
Is it?
Luciano (19:15.872)
I honestly thought you were gonna say, I thought you were gonna say that Wolf Brimley should have been in this movie and I would have said yes immediately. He could be a ghost. I know he's not Garaka because he didn't say diabetes even once.
Chris (19:16.077)
So yes?
Matthew Ward (19:17.88)
thought maybe Paul Rudd had diabetes, like Wilford
Matt (19:26.74)
Well, he could be, maybe, how do know he's not Karaka? Yeah, how do know he's not Karaka?
Chris (19:26.967)
That would have been great.
Matthew Ward (19:30.392)
That's true.
Chris (19:36.673)
Well, the garakas mustache was uncannily similar to Wilford Blimley's and those spectacles were, you know, they put respect on Wilford Blimley for sure, as opposed to the brims. snaps, snaps.
Matt (19:41.984)
Sure. was their plan is day.
Luciano (19:43.431)
Yeah, Yeah, it's just a spitting image. You're right.
The Brims, as they call
Luciano (19:54.628)
Yeah, the brims. It was better than ass in chat.
Matt (19:55.174)
We're still snapping in the chat, ain't great. It's good, I'm glad. I'm glad we didn't lose that. So, you
Chris (19:57.291)
in the chat zone.
Matt (20:08.18)
Should they make another movie? Like, should we just... Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much money this movie would make.
Luciano (20:11.27)
Should they? No. Will they? Yes.
Chris (20:11.689)
I know. Well, it's that's a question. How much did they pull? Like what was the budget
Matthew Ward (20:18.208)
I don't think it was very much.
Luciano (20:18.772)
Was it in the theaters? Was it in the theaters at
Matt (20:21.47)
Yeah, it was a hot second in the theaters. think it like...
Chris (20:22.335)
It was... March
Luciano (20:24.159)
did they fall,
Matt (20:26.622)
Yeah, they followed. Well, yes. And it was successful in the sense that it came out in March, which is always a dead zone. And it went away in March, which, you know, it's not, I think it technically went away.
Luciano (20:32.642)
Okay. It's not good for, it's not good. Yeah.
Matthew Ward (20:35.33)
Wish.
Chris (20:36.653)
It was here and it was gone. Which is a very scary... a very scary boomerang effect of sorts.
Luciano (20:45.166)
I mean, they set it up in a way now that Peck is gone and the family is finally like gelling together with Goober Master, whatever the fuck it Polaroid's name is. Yeah, the step goober is now being accepted as dad in the family. So I don't see them not making another
Chris (20:58.378)
Step goober. Step groober.
Matt (21:00.835)
Groober.
Matt (21:05.12)
Yeah. It made $195 .4 million, so $196
Chris (21:12.237)
Do we know what the budget was?
Matthew Ward (21:13.23)
Pretty big flop, man.
Luciano (21:15.49)
Yeah, for a Ghostbusters movie for
Matt (21:15.518)
Yeah, don't, let me check Box Office Modem and see if they tell me. Anyways.
Chris (21:20.877)
I'll look for the... Listen to us struggle.
Luciano (21:23.654)
3 feety, that's what they made it the box office. Yeah.
Matt (21:25.984)
About 350. Anyway, so bad is what saying. I doubt it. think worse movies have, other movies have done better in knockout and sequels. But we'll see. You never know. Maybe we'll go to like animated or something else.
Matthew Ward (21:42.51)
And then it will happen, they'll forget about it, like after 10 years and be like, hey, we should revamp this and then we'll be getting like a whole new set of Ghostbusters.
Luciano (21:43.311)
What?
Chris (21:43.457)
Let it go. Let it go.
Luciano (21:51.442)
Timothy Shallamay as the son of John Mcgruber.
Matthew Ward (21:57.179)
Yeah, I wouldn't doubt Timothy Chalamet with it. I thought he was in that movie too. I bet he was in this film. Timothy Chalamet? was totally in this movie.
Chris (21:59.418)
McGroober?
Luciano (22:00.974)
I know.
Chris (22:04.565)
Yeah, he was the bite... He was eating the hot dog!
Matt (22:04.894)
His is Shalma. He was Garaka.
Luciano (22:05.06)
Yeah, I mean you can't prove you can't prove he was not
Matthew Ward (22:08.738)
Yeah. It's correct. It's correct. It's yeah.
Luciano (22:11.334)
He plays the action scenes. The action scenes.
Chris (22:12.223)
young Garaka and brims was old Garaka.
Matt (22:15.166)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the action sequences were was to receive the shell.
Chris (22:20.343)
So Brim's was the puppet master for melody and then Young Garaka was Chalamet when, you know, broke
Luciano (22:27.3)
Yeah, when they were fighting with the when he was fighting the Ghostbusters, it was Charlemagne.
Matt (22:30.64)
All right, technically what happened was, you know those apps where you can put two people's pictures in and they show what their baby looks like? That's what it is.
Luciano (22:36.694)
It's Garak. my god, the shade. You put Wolf, Rimley and Timothy Shelley together, you get the Lich King. No, no, I think you're right.
Matthew Ward (22:36.706)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Matt (22:48.106)
Prove me wrong, all right? Yeah, I think we've spent enough time here because we need to move on. And it's not that we don't have more bad things to about this movie. We do, don't worry. But we need to say them in the context of the plot holes we found this movie, because there are two really big ones. And I think that's the perfect way to segue into the first one is what I'm deeming the Garakko Hole or Garakko Holes, as one does.
Chris (22:55.181)
Wilford.
Go on, go
Luciano (23:14.242)
As one does? As one does. Yes. After a meal at Taco Bell.
Chris (23:14.497)
What the f - as one does in a bathroom.
Matt (23:18.034)
So, Garaka's... I don't know what to talk about. Lay off talk about. Garaka's holes, it starts early on because... I guess, mean, it's not the biggest one instead of early on. The biggest one is that somehow Garaka knows that he just has to convince this teenage girl who's been a ghost for a while to convince this human ghost buster.
Chris (23:29.415)
Mmm.
Chris (23:35.788)
Very big.
Matt (23:46.74)
that they should be friends and hang out. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, more than friends, but the movie never says it. And then get her to turn herself into a ghost so he can convince her to say some certain words that will release him to the world.
Chris (24:01.367)
The spell.
Matt (24:03.37)
Like, obviously, Garaka, I'm willing to accept that Garaka knows that they have to these words to get out, because that's fine. But how does he mastermind this all from the Pokeball?
Luciano (24:04.784)
How is the question?
Luciano (24:11.194)
That's fine. Yeah. Yeah.
Luciano (24:16.58)
But how does
Matthew Ward (24:16.738)
Yeah, how did he even communicate with her? Because he can't. Doesn't he have to be out to do that? Or something like
Luciano (24:21.888)
Well, apparently not. Like, was commanding the ghosts before, right?
Chris (24:26.145)
Much like Jurassic Park, evil finds a way.
Matthew Ward (24:29.815)
Mm -hmm.
Luciano (24:29.892)
That's not the line. You put some respect on whatever his character name is. I remember, I don't remember. It's Ian something.
Chris (24:31.841)
Don't you tell me what I saw!
Chris (24:39.873)
You don't even know his name, I yield your time.
Matthew Ward (24:42.818)
You know what's interesting? I'm pretty sure Chris Pratt was in this movie too. See what saying? He was Karaka, yeah, Chris Pratt. He came back in time to warn us and then he got taken over by Baraka or whatever the guy's name is. Karakas?
Matt (24:44.576)
Yeah, Malcolm. No, you're right. He was, he was Garaka. That's correct.
Luciano (24:47.046)
Shut up.
Chris (24:47.085)
See? See?
Garakka Barakka Jr.
Matt (25:00.81)
Yep.
Chris (25:01.677)
I planted the seed and it worked! Yeah. Dig it.
Luciano (25:01.913)
Baraka. Baraka, yes.
Matt (25:05.674)
Someone was going to do it. It's best to get out in the.
Matthew Ward (25:08.078)
Tarakas, Brakas.
Luciano (25:10.416)
So like they showed.
Chris (25:11.053)
BA Baracus Baraka Garaka? I pity the fool who tries to let me out my Pogat Brawl! Respect yo - Respect yo mama!
Matthew Ward (25:13.093)
Hahaha!
Luciano (25:16.753)
Taraka? Mr. Taraka?
Luciano (25:24.032)
Anyway, so they show that he was controlling the other ghosts, like the possessor and so on and so forth. So that's fine. the problem that I had specifically was how did he know that the place where they left him, the research facility that Winston has, which we're going to talk about later, how did he know that there was a device there that he could
Matt (25:42.133)
Yes.
Luciano (25:52.94)
Melody convince some other human to go in, become a ghost for a little bit of time and then he could control her and he knew that if he made the ghost speak then the lifeless corpse of the girl would also... like none of that makes sense. Like all of that is like what the fuck how did that happen and we get no explanation for
Matt (26:14.377)
Yeah, cuz they
James A. Castor doesn't even cover any of
Luciano (26:19.47)
No. And he's there specifically to just expose. Yeah. Yeah. And there's like, just like a giant hand wave, much like what Matt does in, you know, on his own.
Matt (26:22.536)
His only job is just to explain the random shit they need in the laboratory to make the movie go.
Matt (26:35.689)
Mm -hmm.
Matthew Ward (26:35.848)
it's very, very, very delicate, I'm just going to say. It's not giant at
Chris (26:39.531)
The illusion! The prestige! The
Matthew Ward (26:42.752)
You gotta tease it a little, you know what I mean?
Luciano (26:46.138)
This is on me, I'm sorry.
Matthew Ward (26:47.694)
I mean
Matt (26:47.88)
That's fair. you've you probably haven't learned your lesson, but we'll move on The other thing I wanted to point out from Garaka is Garaka's plan is to bring to kill all the humans and bring about an ice age Okay, Basically ice bender so ice benders plan is sound but he shows up to New York and by all the imagery he just launches these
Matthew Ward (27:00.728)
So he's Bender. He's Bender from Futurama.
Luciano (27:01.062)
Sure. Yeah, basically, yeah.
Matt (27:17.286)
ice spikes everywhere through the city. see the beach. We see the we see the beach and outside the fire station. Well, that's my thing. Literally no one died.
Luciano (27:21.61)
Nobody dies
Chris (27:23.346)
I was afraid that death count was gonna go straight through
Luciano (27:25.87)
Yeah. He was just like, he's just like, I could kill you, but I didn't.
Matt (27:27.914)
How are you gonna?
Matt (27:32.938)
How are you gonna be a murderous, like, destroy -all -the -humans guy? don't even catch one. You don't even get one person.
Luciano (27:38.522)
Well, he had all of the Ghostbusters and extended family and relatives and friends and aggregates all in the same place and all that he does is like grow spikes up and too close to their throats but not an inch further. Yeah, that's exactly what it feels like.
Chris (27:54.591)
-huh. You say, -huh -huh. Go there. yeah. -huh. -huh -huh. Let me see. I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get you. Like an adult plays with a little kid who is playing pretend I'm gonna catch you chase. Like, yeah.
Luciano (28:08.411)
Okay, that got that got scary real fast
Matt (28:09.96)
I'm sure.
Matthew Ward (28:11.31)
That does remind me of when I used to go and visit my uncle who lived up north. He would constantly chase me around with various spikes and knives and be like, I'm gonna catch ya! And then I called the police. But other than
Matt (28:19.367)
god.
Luciano (28:19.616)
I like...
Matt (28:24.934)
Was your uncle named Jason?
Matthew Ward (28:28.08)
yes.
Matthew Ward (28:32.642)
But he didn't have the traditional hockey mask, he had to use the new goalie masks that they have. And it wasn't even the real modern ones, it was the one like Dominic Hasek. So it was more just, didn't really, it wasn't right. It was very strange. Yeah. It's, yeah. He definitely shot to play it against sports. That's where he was, right?
Luciano (28:32.869)
was HIP.
Matt (28:43.658)
Weird. Yeah. Yeah, that's discount Canadian Jason.
Luciano (28:49.828)
I was gonna say, it's Jason, eh? That's, yeah.
Matt (28:56.126)
Yeah, that's, yeah, that's a hundred percent. That's what he did.
Luciano (28:57.274)
Hahaha!
Matthew Ward (28:58.764)
Maybe that's why you never came at me with the knives, because they just were going to be dull as crap, right? If you got them there, they just weren't going to do much. They couldn't cut butter.
Matt (29:01.962)
Yeah.
Matt (29:07.018)
just would have been awkward for everybody.
Luciano (29:07.206)
Also if he's Canadian, he would have to apologize while he killed you which is just inconvenient. Yeah. Anyway.
Matthew Ward (29:13.004)
Yeah.
Chris (29:13.527)
So sorry.
Matt (29:16.365)
No, it's fair. I'm glad that that happened to you or didn't happen to
Matthew Ward (29:23.362)
Well, I'm just saying. Prayers. Thoughts and prayers. I mean, the funny thing is, he never touched me. You know what mean? He got close, but he never touched me. Yeah. Well, Gragard, you know what I mean? They got close, but never touched
Matt (29:24.042)
prayer prayers. That's a prayer snaps to the chat.
Chris (29:24.173)
Is this supportive? Thoughts and prayers.
Luciano (29:25.892)
Yeah.
Chris (29:30.007)
Thank
Luciano (29:30.054)
hahahahah
Matt (29:36.394)
Gar Garaka?
Luciano (29:38.214)
Garak, never touched you? Okay.
Chris (29:38.252)
...Baraka?
Matt (29:44.574)
Well, and so like, why? Like, why give this this? I don't know. I don't. My brain is freezing up because I don't know where along the chain of creating Baraka Garaka is a problematic, but like he has ice powers. OK, that's that's not necessarily the problem. The ice powers make spikes. That's not specifically a problem either. He wants to kill all the humans. I'm like, that's to be a bit of a problem because I feel like he would just be killing people immediately and not saving their lives.
Chris (29:46.135)
Hmm. Where on the doll did he, did he
Chris (29:53.079)
Baraka.
Chris (30:03.917)
Sub -Zero.
Chris (30:07.564)
Elsa.
Bender.
Luciano (30:12.796)
And then he doesn't. That's where the problem is.
Matthew Ward (30:13.274)
yeah, like right away.
Matt (30:15.89)
Yeah. So you, you self the sec.
Matthew Ward (30:17.58)
Maybe he had performance
Chris (30:20.662)
Mmm.
Matthew Ward (30:22.798)
You just couldn't get them up hard enough, you know?
Luciano (30:23.31)
Or maybe he just wanted to cause massive property damage. Maybe he's against private property. Maybe Garak is just a communist.
Matthew Ward (30:27.223)
Yes.
Chris (30:28.865)
That's foreplay for him.
Matt (30:29.4)
He did say I want to kill all the humans. He didn't say he wanted to destroy the
Luciano (30:35.834)
Well, but that's what he did. Like actions speak louder than words.
Matt (30:38.858)
Wow, but some of the properties were
Luciano (30:42.278)
What does that mean? Yeah, you know, they were shitty places might as well destroy them build something better in the No Matt is a landlord
Chris (30:43.169)
What is...
Chris (30:50.127)
Take the good with the bad.
Matt (30:51.262)
You don't need the buildings you just want the land right you knock the buildings down build better ones
Chris (30:54.093)
Spitting, spitting game.
Matt (30:57.342)
Listen, New York's used to it, they'll be
Luciano (30:59.844)
That is true. New York is used to it.
Matt (31:02.928)
so how do we, can we, what do we do to fix Garaka?
Luciano (31:09.446)
Before we fix it, I just wanted to ask something else. They make a big deal when Ray is telling the story or Pat Nozlo is telling the story. They talk about the horns and he gets the horns back from Nadim's closet of horrors there and he reattaches them. And then when he's getting sucked back into the trap, they fly off. Why?
Matt (31:32.991)
Yeah.
Luciano (31:37.08)
horns who horns when horn like what was the
Chris (31:41.741)
because Garaka needs both is an investor, an angel investor. Okay, go ahead.
Luciano (31:45.178)
Was it only so that Bill Murray could say tall, dark and horny coming your way?
Matthew Ward (31:52.75)
yeah, 100%. And, I mean, how hard was he getting sucked in? Because, I mean, that would have caused anyone to lose their horns. I'm just saying. You know what mean? It's sometimes too much. How much teeth were involved?
Chris (31:55.094)
Yes.
Luciano (31:55.192)
Okay, then it's worth it. Then it's worth
Luciano (32:03.752)
I don't dispute, don't dispute, I don't dispute the suckage, the suckage of the horns. I don't dispute that. I'm just asking why, what was the point of the horns? That's what I'm asking.
Matthew Ward (32:11.042)
You know what mean?
Chris (32:11.349)
I was just gonna say that Garaka, okay. The point of the horn was the bridge into the plug for Gorilla Glue.
Matthew Ward (32:16.012)
Mmm.
Luciano (32:22.23)
Okay, okay that makes much about as much sense as anything else in this
Chris (32:24.439)
But they didn't, but they couldn't fit that in because they had so many characters that they were trying to balance screen time and script for. So we got to cut.
Luciano (32:32.654)
Right. So is that a failed product placement? Is that what you're saying?
Chris (32:36.801)
they probably would have been able to spring for some more Chalamet, Garaka, Brimley, you know, to help answer the quack prat, to give us a sense as to help shed light on how he was able to communicate and transmit his plan from within the brass pokeball.
Luciano (32:43.147)
I see.
Matthew Ward (32:56.546)
Mm -hmm.
Chris (32:58.721)
But they didn't do that for us.
Matt (33:00.128)
They did not, they really let us down.
Luciano (33:02.81)
How do we fix it? Is that what you're gonna ask?
Chris (33:03.232)
You
Matt (33:06.26)
I mean, unless there's other things we don't understand about Garak's powers. I don't know if we covered it all, and there's a lot going on with Garaka.
Luciano (33:13.176)
I mean, is it time for me to do my thing?
Chris (33:13.621)
It's good.
Matt (33:17.762)
yeah, well... Yeah!
Chris (33:18.795)
That sounds like a, I wish we had a sponsor for music. Is it me? Time to move my thing! Love
Matthew Ward (33:20.29)
Yeah, that sounds weird.
Matt (33:22.46)
No, yeah, it's time. No, it's time. It's time. Because I think you've remembered or you helped me remind me of the power we're missing for Garaka. And it's the power to, well, no, actually. He was maybe he was the real hero of this movie. I don't know. No, Garaka has the power to freeze energy beams and
Matthew Ward (33:35.074)
Global warming.
Luciano (33:38.106)
No, he was counteracting global warming.
Matthew Ward (33:42.646)
Yeah. Yeah.
Luciano (33:49.816)
God.
Matt (33:50.942)
I think that brings us to a segment we like to call, actually with Luciano.
Chris (33:55.415)
Do do do do do do do do do do do do
Luciano (33:57.238)
we're going there, huh? Okay. So I was like, pissed me off so much. Like beyond what's like, this is a Ghostbusters movie. None of the science makes any sense. But when, like when they're fighting, when they're fighting Garaka and they shoot him with the proton beams, which already don't get me started on proton beams. They don't make any fucking sense, but I'll allow it as Ghostbusters. But
Matt (33:59.284)
Well, I mean, what do you think about freezing energy beams?
Luciano (34:27.396)
because he is so cold or he has so much power over cold he freezes the energy beams into solid things that not only shatter but don't melt instantly and I honestly had to pause for a second and go what in the goddamn fuck were they thinking why
Matt (34:52.382)
It looks cool. Real cool.
Luciano (34:54.587)
No it didn't, it looked stupid. It looks, it genuinely looks like taffy when it's frozen.
Matt (34:56.629)
Well, I'm
Matthew Ward (34:59.818)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Chris (35:01.771)
Which it, that's the key. since they couldn't fit the the piece for Gorilla Glue to help us like connect A to B, Werther's and Laffy
Luciano (35:11.585)
they had to get Werther's to... Whiiiite. I see, okay.
Matt (35:16.468)
Yeah. But to Chris's point, pretty trim movie and it means they probably trimmed off those product placements
Chris (35:18.572)
Like, money.
Luciano (35:24.344)
wait wait a trim movie the fuck are you talking about no i mean in terms of just how much shit they shoved in that they didn't need to anyway yeah so anyway beams don't freeze fuck
Matt (35:27.198)
Yeah, it wasn't that long.
Matt (35:35.172)
Exactly. Under two minutes, two hours. Yeah. Okay. That has been, I'm actually with Luciano. And I think that's a perfect segue into.
Chris (35:35.597)
101 hour 55 minutes.
Matt (35:50.474)
How do we, can we fix this? Like, I know the rule is generally to try not to materially change the movie, so do your best.
Luciano (35:59.298)
Yeah, I was gonna say, can we change this to a Fire Masters movie instead of a Ghostbusters
Matt (36:04.704)
I mean, wah
Matthew Ward (36:06.178)
I don't think I'd go to see a Fire Master movie. I think I'd be confused by
Matt (36:08.736)
I don't think so either. Yeah, I love I still like Ghostbusters. I still want to enjoy Ghostbusters. So they've trapped us with that. maybe maybe Garaka could have less powers.
Luciano (36:17.498)
So I would say.
Okay, he could have been a ghost, like a super powerful ghost instead of a god. And then we didn't need any Fire Masters in the first place, first of
Matthew Ward (36:28.898)
mean they do have a history with gods, right? They had like Gozer, who's a god, was he not? Like ancient Sumerian or something? Or was this one ancient Sumerian? I can't remember. They were all gods at some point, weren't they? Yeah. Remember he asks him, are you a god? And Ray's just like,
Matt (36:29.248)
So there you
Matt (36:37.607)
Yeah.
Luciano (36:38.937)
Was
Matt (36:40.062)
He was an ancient Sumerian god. Yeah, you're right.
Luciano (36:46.608)
But they didn't need to coat their proton packs in brass to fight gozer.
Chris (36:46.925)
Mmm. Mmm.
Matt (36:47.534)
Yes!
Matthew Ward (36:55.04)
No, they did that to make it just like classy. You know what I mean? You know, you gotta bring that bling.
Luciano (36:58.682)
No, they didn't. If that was the case, that was the case, they would have done it to all of them, not just one.
Matt (37:05.312)
Wow, I mean, you got to single out the coolest person on the Ghostbusters. The 15 year old that's being used as illegal labor.
Luciano (37:09.659)
that's Phoebe.
Chris (37:09.879)
Mmm, the tipping the scales.
Matthew Ward (37:12.226)
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, she does what a teenager would do. She literally takes all that brass and turns her proton pack into a giant hookah pipe. So I mean, we're good there, right? You know? I mean, that's how you beat a god. You just get him high as fuck.
Luciano (37:14.548)
Yeah
Matt (37:23.626)
Yep, smart.
Chris (37:24.352)
Mm
We're jamming.
Luciano (37:31.504)
High as a fucking kite. Yep.
Chris (37:35.02)
You put
Matt (37:35.02)
The only other question I have about Karaka then, he masterminds all of this to escape tricking melody or not tricking melody, but forcing melody, tricking Phoebe. And then he's trying to, when he comes back, he's like, I got to take out the Firemaster so I can't be stopped, right? Great idea. Smart. Why did he think the Firemaster's at the Firemaster's smoke and
Chris (37:48.033)
Phoebe.
Luciano (38:03.283)
yeah, that's a good question. Cause it says Fire Masters in front?
Matt (38:07.348)
I mean like... I
Luciano (38:11.524)
I like that he asks the guy, are you the fire master? He goes, yeah, you saw the sign, dad. He's the only person he kills actually. Yes, way to go, Chalamet Pratt Brimley.
Chris (38:12.0)
on the nose.
Matthew Ward (38:17.485)
Yeah.
Matt (38:19.712)
That's why he killed somebody! He did it!
Chris (38:21.341)
Thank you.
Matthew Ward (38:25.602)
That's right!
Chris (38:26.231)
Ha!
Matt (38:30.346)
So like, just hit like, and not everything has to be perfect, but it just, it speaks to the inability to like make a cohesive villain. And so like, do you, do you make him dumber? Do you make him not have to have any elaborate trap or like, not, it's not, I get, it's not a trap, elaborate solution to the trap he's in.
Luciano (38:50.262)
Or maybe they maybe have Nadim release him by accident instead of like being an elaborate ploy to get a device he knows nothing about being worked by a girl he knows nothing about in the off chance that she would do it. Right.
Matt (39:11.22)
Yeah.
Luciano (39:12.226)
Maybe there's like, Nadim could have found something on his grandmother's notes or a book or diary or whatever, and he ends up getting it to be translated or to learn how to pronounce the words, whatever the case. And he says it and then he, yeah, yeah. And then Danakroyd tells him what it says and he repeats it for whatever reason and that frees Garaka.
Matt (39:26.452)
You can bring it to Dan Aykroyd, right?
Chris (39:30.285)
That sounds.
Luciano (39:37.88)
And instead of like this elaborate ploy that doesn't make any sense, that would actually be quite a long way of it not being a giant hole.
Chris (39:38.167)
When I hear
Matthew Ward (39:46.222)
what's the ghost girl's name again? Melody. Melody is just him. She doesn't actually exist. She's just an extension of him. She never was in anything. She was literally just an extension of him. Way better.
Matt (39:49.779)
Melody
Luciano (39:50.148)
Melody.
Chris (39:50.433)
melody.
Luciano (39:54.374)
that would have been cool. Right, right.
Matt (39:59.506)
Also good. Yeah.
Luciano (40:01.215)
Way better. Yeah. Instead of like an actual, I'm sorry. Like, no, just manipulating her.
Matthew Ward (40:07.63)
Yeah.
Matt (40:07.966)
Yeah, and then Melody leads, you know, Phoebe to this book that's supposed to solve their problems and she gets Dan Ackroyd to read it and then he unleashes the ghost. And so they're all culpable.
Luciano (40:15.45)
There you go.
Even better. Yeah, I like that.
Matthew Ward (40:21.216)
And that's the thing, mean Phoebe would also feel a lot worse because she thought she was going to meet her, you know, will they, won't they sort of thing and it turned out just like any online thing. She's just with the oldest of old men, just like, just old, old men, you know?
Chris (40:35.617)
Catfish.
Matt (40:36.042)
Catfished.
Luciano (40:36.43)
Yeah, yeah, so you're yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, that that part would have to be played by Wufu
Chris (40:40.481)
Hehehehe, Wilford Brimley.
Matthew Ward (40:47.244)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, so is Baraka. Or whatever the hell his name is. Baraka.
Matt (40:47.701)
You step.
Luciano (40:49.946)
That never stopped us before.
Matt (40:52.433)
Fair enough. Garaka.
Chris (40:53.901)
Garaka garaka. Yeah, I me what I and when I listen to this this new approach it it signals to me an opportunity for Nadine's Fire master pre -arc to represent magic Magic or that that side potentially teaming with science, which is Dan Aykroyd and the Ghostbuster crew I Think that could have been
Matthew Ward (41:18.114)
just take him out because he's unnecessary and I don't like
Luciano (41:19.586)
Yeah, I was gonna say it doesn't bring anything other than cringe just
Matthew Ward (41:23.596)
He brings nothing.
Chris (41:26.657)
So then the Baraka, Garaka Pokeball could have been located somewhere else then and brought in somehow else.
Luciano (41:32.026)
yeah no he could have sold it could have been sold and that's
Matthew Ward (41:32.428)
Yeah.
Matt (41:32.928)
Yeah, it's fun.
Chris (41:36.437)
similar to like the monkey's paw from like, okay.
Luciano (41:39.064)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like
Matt (41:39.274)
Yeah. It's the beguffin, but we don't give a shit where it comes from.
Luciano (41:43.556)
Yeah, and we don't need like some family history associated with it and blah, blah.
Matthew Ward (41:47.522)
Yes.
Matt (41:48.084)
Yeah. That's the thing this movie suffers from is the idea that everything has to be something. And she's like, no, only a few things have to be something. A lot of things can just
Chris (41:57.845)
Nothing. Or not even there.
Matt (41:59.185)
A MacGuffin is fine, you know, Pulp Fiction, like no one knows what's in the case. It doesn't matter. It's just, it does its job, right, to get the movie where it needs to be. So that's the Pokeball
Matthew Ward (42:04.546)
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris (42:04.781)
Hmm.
Matthew Ward (42:10.381)
Yeah.
Chris (42:10.977)
Pokéball!
Luciano (42:12.216)
I like that. I like that idea.
Matt (42:12.48)
Alright, we solved it. Let's deal with the other problem or plot hole in this movie. Yeah, it's Winston's holes. Winston shows up in this movie, and I think they allude to it a little bit at the end of Afterlife, but he is just ridiculously wealthy. He owns property in New York. He owns the firehouse, apparently.
Luciano (42:17.54)
The other gaping hole.
Matthew Ward (42:19.308)
Mmm. Yeah.
Chris (42:23.138)
Mm -hmm. Apt.
Matt (42:42.256)
He owns this secret research center and funds the secret research center and has been doing so for many years to help with the ghost infestation. Doesn't tell anybody, doesn't share with anybody, doesn't tell his old buddies who arguably own all the IP and all the like science behind everything. It's fine. worry about that.
Luciano (43:03.748)
Well, I think Ray knew, right? Because he's been supplying them with items. But he's the only one.
Matt (43:08.288)
yeah, I guess. But anyways, he's the only one. It's fine. that's fair. You know, that doesn't dissuade the problem of Winston's holes. Because, you know, what, why has he been doing that? Why didn't anybody like, they knew that the containment was a problem and they were just like, eh, we'll wait till like, it's going to explode before we do anything about
Luciano (43:15.906)
No, not at all.
Luciano (43:25.967)
Yep.
Luciano (43:30.15)
Yeah, yeah. Also, we know that it's in this derelict firehouse that has been abandoned for God knows how long since the 80s, I guess. But we're going to leave it there in case of like some earthquake or some other thing happens. And then when it's filled to the brim to the point where they can't close the trap anymore, that's when I'm going to reveal that I have whatever 60 of those like upgraded traps we could have used over the years to trust. No.
Matt (43:56.692)
Yep. Sure.
Luciano (44:00.622)
Let's just get fuck him right they threw he's like I threw you people some crumbs you go fuck yourselves I'm just gonna stand here with my secret facility researching ghosts I guess
Chris (44:02.964)
Ace in the hole saved the day.
Matt (44:11.572)
He's, yeah. And they, well, they created the thing that sucks your soul, everybody, for a certain amount of time. They created, is that the same thing as the thing that took ghosts out of objects?
Luciano (44:19.168)
The ionic
Matthew Ward (44:23.304)
I thought that was just the same ghost that Ray met in the first movie.
Matt (44:27.392)
Wow, she's 15
Luciano (44:29.478)
Hahaha, but yeah, well, I mean
Matthew Ward (44:32.23)
right, yeah. Well, in my mind, she's just the horny old man, Barakas, or Karakas, so... Because that's just a better movie.
Chris (44:40.269)
focus.
Matt (44:41.024)
No, Mel - mean Melody could - Melody could be 18, but yeah, she's 15. no
Luciano (44:47.878)
They know they think she says I'm going to be 16 forever.
Matt (44:52.34)
Not great. Not a great look for you. I'm hard.
Chris (44:53.364)
not problematic at
Luciano (44:53.84)
Not a great look, yes.
Matthew Ward (44:56.238)
I love that that in this movie is just so sad and depressing, but in like every movie in the 90s it was like the tagline. It's like 16 forever. Ugh.
Chris (44:56.973)
Stop. I'm the man.
Luciano (45:04.144)
Yeah. Times change.
Chris (45:07.949)
That did not age
Matthew Ward (45:09.024)
No. No. Not at all.
Matt (45:12.266)
So yeah, exactly. Don't over touch them. So I mean, this is a question I have for like why, I don't know, what have you been doing, Winston? Like how do we unpack this?
Chris (45:12.459)
Minds that should not be
Matthew Ward (45:27.002)
the BBC. He was just out there, BBC. was just, he was working for the BBC overseas and, you know, made his money there and then came back and bought the firehouse for nostalgic reasons. Got involved in real estate, had a couple of moments on the Shark Tank thing and eventually realized his true passion was being a
Matt (45:30.27)
BBC.
Chris (45:30.441)
Mm -hmm.
Luciano (45:31.835)
Steady on, steady on. Okay, okay.
Chris (45:35.073)
Mm -hmm with Attenborough
Matt (45:46.816)
Sure.
Matthew Ward (45:55.72)
And that's basically what he did. He just was like, I don't really care about this building, go fuck yourselves. Like every New York landlord in the history of the world. And yeah, that's how it happened. So he's kind of just holding a grudge against everyone for no reason, because he's got lots of money and that's what
Matt (46:13.732)
Did he meet Lars when he was working at the BBC? Is that how Lars got here? Yeah.
Matthew Ward (46:17.73)
I think so. Yeah, I think that's exactly it. That's, you know, that's and from what I understand Lars was really, really into the BBC. Like, I mean, he was deep into the BBC. Like really deep. Absolutely. Absolutely. Brilliant.
Luciano (46:20.59)
He is, he is English.
Chris (46:28.151)
It's a great broadcasting corporation. know? Yes. White church? Broad church.
Matt (46:32.926)
Yeah, yeah, Dr. Who, the other shows.
Matthew Ward (46:38.028)
You watch... Yeah, no.
Luciano (46:38.446)
I don't think that that's how that works though. I think it's usually the BBC that's into you.
Matthew Ward (46:44.406)
Yeah, once the BBC is in you, it is in you for life. You can never get it out. It's just deep in your soul.
Luciano (46:48.812)
I see. I see. Yeah, no syndication is a multi -billion dollar industry for
Chris (46:51.351)
syndication is right, because syndication is
Matthew Ward (46:56.588)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. If anyone else wants any more information on the BBC, just type BBC, get it in you into Google, and you'll see all you need to
Chris (46:57.141)
model. Correct. And that's what
Matt (47:00.467)
And
Luciano (47:10.042)
Yeah, it's their new tagline. It's their new tagline. BBC, get it in you.
Chris (47:10.455)
BBC frameworks.
Matthew Ward (47:12.002)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Matt (47:16.244)
Great. Yeah. Great. OK. I was just going to I was going to ask someone else if they had a thought just a different opinion than Matt does.
Chris (47:20.301)
Can we yield this amount of time for everybody? Maybe? Yeah, that's great. How Winston made his billions, if not millions.
Luciano (47:29.802)
well, like I think the question is more like why did he hoard all of this shit to himself?
Matt (47:30.643)
No, I wanna solve
Matt (47:35.411)
Yeah. Why in this version of the movie is Winston like, solving problems at the last possible second, even though he's had the solutions to all their problems for like, God knows how long.
Chris (47:48.887)
because it's about time the white savior was cast aside to let the black man come in and fix something that needed to be fixed.
Matt (47:57.642)
Chris, I wanna believe, but he just hands the tool to all of the white people who then steal all of his glory.
Matthew Ward (48:02.54)
He does feel a little bit like a Morgan Freeman magical black man in this. Like he just comes in and swoops in and gives you everything you need because he's magic. And that just is
Chris (48:03.329)
Yes, right.
Matt (48:09.649)
yeah.
Chris (48:15.053)
And that's when I realized that my fortune could be leveraged to help
Matthew Ward (48:19.136)
Yeah, exactly. mean, it's just...
Matt (48:19.168)
Lucius Fox, is that you?
Luciano (48:24.959)
Hahaha!
Chris (48:26.101)
Morally, I find this to be wildly unethical and incorrect. I will not be part of this, but at the same time, you can take my technology and save the city.
Matthew Ward (48:34.422)
Yeah, I feel like he deserves better, you know?
Luciano (48:36.494)
I was gonna say, I was gonna say his magic is money in this case.
Matthew Ward (48:40.876)
Nah. Nah.
Chris (48:41.717)
My superpower is being filthy rich.
Matthew Ward (48:44.194)
No.
Luciano (48:44.634)
Yeah, yeah.
Matt (48:47.21)
billionaire playboy philanthropist
Chris (48:49.526)
Mm -hmm.
Luciano (48:49.898)
Yeah, like I'd be all here for, you know, him coming in and saving the day. But did he have to wait until the day was almost over? That was my
Chris (48:59.745)
He was spending his time by the tree in Tatoaneo.
Luciano (49:04.897)
Why?
Chris (49:07.041)
meditating on how long when he when the most opportunistic time to come in and Swoop it in say I told you so y 'all should have had me on the roster and should have hired me with the quickness when I first came in but now see how y 'all struggling Let me go on and bless y 'all with some technology that will really help tilt the scales Phoebe dip that in some brass while you're at it Just listen. This is based on scientific facts
Matthew Ward (49:29.367)
No, no.
Luciano (49:35.054)
Yeah, scientific research from the Institute of the middle of my asshole. That's exactly.
Chris (49:35.221)
and evidence that I'm not gonna show you.
Chris (49:42.662)
That is how the BBC rolls, apparently.
Matthew Ward (49:45.32)
Hahaha
Chris (49:48.277)
I'm not only the president, but I'm also a participant in the studies.
Luciano (49:52.076)
Hahaha
Matthew Ward (49:53.816)
so am I. Frequent.
Matt (49:56.064)
So at the Institute whose name I cannot remember who licensed me.
Luciano (49:56.58)
Hahaha!
Chris (50:05.101)
The institute, Lars, the name of the institute?
Matt (50:07.038)
Yeah, where he worked.
Luciano (50:08.592)
Did they say the name? I don't think there's a name. It's the Winston Institute of Technology and Money. Yeah, there you go.
Matt (50:10.24)
I don't think you ever said the name here, right?
Technology.
Chris (50:14.925)
higher learning.
Matthew Ward (50:18.069)
Xavier Institute.
Matt (50:20.48)
The University of Winston online.
Luciano (50:20.988)
Yeah
Luciano (50:25.062)
no, no, don't don't that's giving me like Trump. Please don't.
Chris (50:25.879)
Bifractional.
Matt (50:31.776)
You're welcome. So like, okay, so we're gonna fix this movie up. And I think that it's good that the Ghostbusters all come back and have meaningful contributions. Does he like, does he need to have 60 other? Could he have one that's like a prototype?
Matthew Ward (50:50.378)
No. No.
Luciano (50:53.894)
Could it, yeah, I was gonna say, could it be finishing a new one that was a prototype and he didn't know it was gonna work, but it would fit a lot more? Yeah.
Matt (50:58.762)
Just one.
Chris (51:04.045)
Maybe it took 59 tries to arrive at the one that would actually
Luciano (51:08.454)
Sure, but then just have the one working. I know 60 isn't the number, but there's at least five or six on that chart.
Chris (51:15.757)
Yes, and if there were 60 of them, it could have been like, listen, while y 'all were fucking around, I was out here looking to spend my money in a meaningful way, so I developed 60 more containment units because there are ghosts on other parts of this planet. Think bigger, darling.
Matthew Ward (51:29.358)
All that money, all those containment units, and not a single affordable housing. Like, come on. They're in crisis right now, and this is what they're doing.
Luciano (51:31.673)
O .S .C.
Matt (51:39.124)
No, no, no, I'm hard, you forget. Each one of those containment units is built on the world's cheapest, most economical apartment housing.
Chris (51:50.977)
IKEA.
Matthew Ward (51:51.993)
okay, well then I withdraw my complaints.
Luciano (51:54.054)
And also they are housing for ghosts.
Chris (51:59.117)
see, solving a different crisis for the unha - the - the the cor - the - what's the opposite of corporeal? Incorporial? For the incorporeal unhoused.
Matthew Ward (51:59.948)
Yeah. Yeah.
Luciano (52:07.704)
Incorporate. Yeah.
Matt (52:07.903)
Mm -hmm.
Matthew Ward (52:11.756)
Yeah, yeah. And also predicting where all of us are going to end up anyway. You know what mean?
Luciano (52:11.972)
Yes, ephemeral and housed.
Luciano (52:17.09)
Exactly. Solving our next housing problem.
Matthew Ward (52:20.622)
Eventually I'll just get to die anyway, so...
Chris (52:23.437)
I have found, I have found a place for us to go. I could fit 60 ,000 incorporeal souls into one containment unit. Don't you want a place to go?
Luciano (52:30.314)
Yeah, no, yeah He saw he He solved the the housing problem is like I have the solution first we must all die and then we're gonna have homes
Matthew Ward (52:41.092)
First die.
Matt (52:45.216)
To be fair, if you watched the cartoon back in the early 90s, they showed you inside a containment unit many times, and it was a desert and basically an empty void of space. So Winston really had to bring it up a notch if people were to live in
Luciano (52:58.75)
yeah. It's like the Phantom Zone almost.
Matthew Ward (53:03.598)
You're really not thinking like a real estate agent. That's just spacious. know? Spacious, open concept, beach adjacent. You know? In fact, it's got so much beach. It's almost 90 % beachfront property.
Luciano (53:14.223)
What was it you said before, Matt? It's just the land that's worth it. The land is worth it.
Matt (53:18.688)
That's true.
Chris (53:24.789)
If you don't want the ghosts to continuously break out of the containment units, give them something to after live for within the containment units.
Luciano (53:24.868)
Hahaha!
Matt (53:34.334)
Okay. That mean if Winston had explained that, maybe that would have made some
Matthew Ward (53:35.682)
Literally.
Luciano (53:40.198)
Any of those, any one of those ideas would have been better than what they did, which is fuck all.
Matthew Ward (53:44.724)
Eh. I literally thought you were gonna say like, like, give them something to do like I do with my rabbits. Just give them something to chew, maybe like something to bat around a little bit. They'll be fine.
Chris (53:45.697)
Cough cough cough
Luciano (53:54.726)
I mean that would work, probably.
Chris (53:56.574)
Get a job in corporeal after living being go work in afterlife Starbucks
Matt (54:04.22)
I think that I would have liked Winston
have spent his time or the Institute's time looking into better, like, meaningful tech. Because like the ability to like, man, we gotta get these little, like that little thing that could haunt anything, like could take over anything. Like we gotta get these little possessors out of like furniture. It's like, man, I don't care. Like you got friggin' garakas and like, even the flying fucking dragon they caught at beginning of the movie.
Luciano (54:25.7)
The possessor, yeah.
Matt (54:39.05)
Wouldn't it have made more sense to give better equipment to catch those things? Because it seemed like he didn't create the drone trap and the RC car trap. Yeah, they were kind of shit. like, I wouldn't have... Like, he could have created a super proton pack.
Luciano (54:46.35)
Not that it worked very well either. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree. Like meaningful.
Matthew Ward (54:52.622)
Bye.
Luciano (54:56.486)
No, like you could have made like, it would have been super cool if he created like the Ecto 2, like another hearse that was like, it had like a giant trap on the roof or something like that. Yeah.
Chris (54:56.971)
Yeah, a super proton cannon.
Matthew Ward (54:57.774)
Hello.
Matthew Ward (55:03.458)
Yeah.
Chris (55:08.607)
or in the hood or whatever.
Matt (55:09.568)
I gatling blaster pack. Yeah.
Chris (55:12.661)
Gatling proton cannon? Well bless.
Luciano (55:12.854)
a Gradle Impro - Nice! Nice, yeah yeah.
Matthew Ward (55:15.563)
I like that you guys I like that you guys said created the RC trap and the drone trap in the most hillbilly way they literally just stuck a trap practically duct taped it to a RC car or a drone and we're like look Paul I created some
Luciano (55:23.588)
Yeah, they did.
Yeah. Paul, I made a thing, Paul.
Chris (55:28.449)
Boy, boy, boy, boy, boy, I tell you what, if you take that trap and give me that duct tape there, I'll take with some Gorilla Goo bar, tell you what, we got that, that, that, that, go through,
Matthew Ward (55:40.011)
Anyway.
Matt (55:40.352)
Papa?
How?
Luciano (55:44.776)
no. no.
Chris (55:45.229)
Get in the house boy go go help your mama make them grits Out of your mouth boy They're there. They'll chase these girls chase. I told you boy. We won't chase these tires We're gonna cut this grass and then your mom's gonna cook something for us to make but go get that track Go get that gross trap man boy. I'm tired of your failing mathematics Trap trap power boy. Let me hear you say
Matthew Ward (56:05.676)
No, that's not
Luciano (56:06.662)
I love how much of the South, like that sentence soared through, like from Louisiana to Florida and back.
Matt (56:14.442)
You're welcome. All of it.
Matthew Ward (56:17.676)
No, no.
Chris (56:18.687)
It's the undiscovered tech hub within the Ghostbuster
Luciano (56:23.428)
What is Nashville?
Matthew Ward (56:24.344)
Florida. They just duct tape things to stuff.
Matt (56:25.876)
No, what's that? What's that section of of like the south where it's like a bit of Louisiana, a bit of Florida, a bit of Georgia? They have a name for it. I fucking.
Chris (56:27.787)
Yes.
Matthew Ward (56:36.046)
Taint.
Luciano (56:37.594)
The taint, yeah. That's what I would call it. America's taint.
Matt (56:38.113)
I mean, it's like the flow, flora,
Chris (56:43.341)
What is America's taint, Google? No, let's let's let's let's leverage chat GPT. GPT or Claude, what is the taint of America as we know it today? And then it will say Mar -a -Lago.
Matthew Ward (56:55.022)
I mean, it makes sense because Florida is kind of America's wing. So if you go to that little space underneath, that's the Taint.
Luciano (56:58.455)
Hahaha!
Matt (57:07.176)
Arguably it's Canada's wing, but we don't need to we don't need to negotiate
Matthew Ward (57:08.918)
Hahaha!
Chris (57:11.639)
Don't you keep Katta's name out your mouth, sir.
Matt (57:15.909)
Anything else we want to talk about our friend Winston before we let
Matthew Ward (57:20.072)
Are we talking about how we could have improved it? Just literally have him just own the building and he works with them. Like that's it. Literally that's all he does. He comes in, he's one of the characters that they deal with. You
Chris (57:20.727)
If this
Matt (57:22.664)
Yeah, well, yeah, that's what we're talking about right now.
Luciano (57:34.816)
I think they needed to also like tone down like how much like one of the main problems is like the containment thing and him having so many and like just letting the old one be stuffed is stupid. It had to be something like, no, we can't make more or
Chris (57:36.375)
The rent is due, bitch!
Matthew Ward (57:52.75)
Maybe they don't use the old one. Maybe that's the reason. The old one was too bad so they don't use it anymore. They have a new one that he developed and that's it. The only one. Like he's, he, they don't have to worry about rent or anything because he's bought the building but he, you know, is just like we have a problem with the mayor or something. Like he could be the driving force between some of these things. He didn't need a whole, you know, I'm the men in black kind of, like behold my like.
Luciano (57:58.677)
Yeah, they need something.
Matthew Ward (58:20.396)
Men in Black World, where I've got ghosts everywhere and they're all in prison and all these random people who aren't working for
Luciano (58:26.65)
He had he also He also had like like that that separator. It was able to take like possessed Items and remove the ghost without like the ghost manifesting right could have could have done something similar to that as like a field Tech that they could use and be testing like it would be cool if we saw in the beginning of the movie them
Chris (58:26.701)
Sounds like you.
Matthew Ward (58:47.501)
Yeah.
Luciano (58:53.046)
field testing some of the stuff that he made like the new stuff in like almost like James Bond style where he's like let's see if this works right instead of just using the same old shit from the 80s and stuffing ghosts in the old like full trap and all that shit
Matt (59:01.896)
WAH
Matthew Ward (59:10.05)
Yeah. He had to be.
Chris (59:12.173)
Because nothing can be new in the Ghostbusters universe, to your point. We literally just iterated on the Ecto -2. We're essentially talking about Winston sitting on an armory and them never really using it to its full potential to world build with containment units. A previous point I was saying, there are ghost problems the world over. Why isn't there a containment if there's 60? They could have bled that into a sequel where they're
Matthew Ward (59:15.223)
Yeah,
Luciano (59:26.437)
Yeah,
Chris (59:41.493)
The problem's grown, it's worldwide, and like each new containment unit goes into a firehouse in new city, city, city, city, city. I don't
Luciano (59:49.818)
Yeah, there's a lot of avenues. You don't have to pick one.
Matthew Ward (59:49.87)
I think though that's...
just feel like those are the avenues that led us to the problem though. Is they just kept being like, well let's have him do this and let's have him this. Like let's just have him work as a ghostbuster who does all their tech because he's wealthy. That's the only explanation you need. That's it.
Luciano (01:00:04.632)
Or, yeah, I was gonna say like, he becomes like the boss where he doesn't go to the field because he's older, but you
Chris (01:00:09.003)
Yes. It's one of them.
Matt (01:00:11.927)
I already
I already called him Lucius Fox, stop stealing my ideas.
Luciano (01:00:17.446)
Yeah, no, that's 100 % like let him be Lucius Fox. But then let the family test all of the new shit, Whatever it
Chris (01:00:17.655)
True.
Matthew Ward (01:00:27.118)
This is a little off topic, but Lucius Fox has always made me wonder, do you think his wife's pet name for him is Luscious Fox?
Luciano (01:00:35.398)
for sure, 100%. It's Morgan Freeman for fuck's sakes.
Matthew Ward (01:00:37.954)
You know?
Chris (01:00:38.687)
Only my significant other can address me by that name.
Matthew Ward (01:00:42.402)
Hmm.
Luciano (01:00:42.852)
I like how Chris thinks Morgan Freeman's accent is just speaking close to the microphone.
Matthew Ward (01:00:47.704)
think that is what it is, is it not? Also I did hear that Morgan Freeman was also in this movie.
Luciano (01:00:53.54)
Yeah, he played Winston. He played Winston.
Matt (01:00:54.226)
He is... No. That's racist, sir.
Matthew Ward (01:00:57.827)
Chris (01:00:57.879)
Don't you hate on everybody wants a piece of the pie at some point.
Matt (01:01:01.864)
He played Garaka. He played Garaka as previously discussed.
Luciano (01:01:02.861)
that was good, Chris. That one was good.
Chris (01:01:05.143)
Thank
Luciano (01:01:08.097)
okay. True.
Matthew Ward (01:01:09.421)
No, no.
Chris (01:01:10.029)
I have been known to flip the script from time to time.
Matt (01:01:14.036)
better. And now take me to Michael Caine.
Chris (01:01:19.731)
Michael Caine. My Michael Caine is no good. And like three weeks ago, I and three weeks ago, I finally unlocked Christopher Walken, but I could only say one word and I lost it. Anyways. Yeah. Yeah.
Luciano (01:01:20.942)
My co - My My My cocaine.
Matthew Ward (01:01:21.666)
my LK. I don't want to see that.
Matt (01:01:32.746)
So it's gone, it's back behind the vault. Moving on, let's ask some fun questions and get out of where we are currently.
Luciano (01:01:39.341)
Hahaha!
Matt (01:01:41.172)
It's the only professional way I know to segue. You guys want to start easy or hard?
Chris (01:01:41.515)
making contact.
Matthew Ward (01:01:48.942)
I want to start
Luciano (01:01:48.962)
I mean, there's only one way.
Chris (01:01:49.015)
hit us with the hard ball. I'm hard knows what this is.
Matthew Ward (01:01:53.645)
You know it.
Luciano (01:01:58.681)
Okay.
Matt (01:01:58.976)
I need to have words with my dog. Give me one second.
Chris (01:01:59.895)
Shazam!
Chris (01:02:05.741)
Bruce wants to get in on this on this on this action. Bruce has some significant commentary brought to you by.
Matthew Ward (01:02:11.096)
I know.
Matt (01:02:12.33)
She acquired a plastic milk jug bottle.
Luciano (01:02:17.432)
she acquired it with her her hard -earned money she acquired it
Matthew Ward (01:02:17.777)
Matt (01:02:21.322)
Well, she bought it herself and poured the milk out.
Chris (01:02:24.941)
Milk does a Bruce good. Milk does a doggy good.
Matt (01:02:27.293)
And now she's brought it out to Chihuan. I'm going to escort her and the bottle to Laura in the bedroom. And hopefully with a closed door, it'll make all the magic happen. Yeah.
Luciano (01:02:32.858)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good point, whereas we haven't started the questions yet.
Chris (01:02:38.217)
Hmm. Dig
This segment brought to you by Werther's and Laffy Taffy. What? Bust it out, try
Luciano (01:02:43.93)
I wonder, do I have a Morgan Freeman impression? I wonder if I, I'm trying, I'm I'm trying to think of what it would say.
Chris (01:02:54.421)
It's the voice you okay, you're looking for the gateway words. Get busy living or get busy dying. Damn right.
Luciano (01:02:54.448)
yeah, I'm trying to I'm trying
Matthew Ward (01:02:57.208)
I feel like...
Luciano (01:03:01.968)
Get busy livin' or get busy
Matthew Ward (01:03:03.022)
I feel like every time I try to do Michael Caine it just sounds like a chimney sweep. He's like, I don't think I need to do that, sir. Like, it just sounds like he's... You know?
Luciano (01:03:09.154)
Yeah, please, please sir, can I please I could have another nickel please
Chris (01:03:10.849)
That's better than what I could do.
Matthew Ward (01:03:15.928)
Today you'll get to say I told you so. And I don't want to, Chef. Like, it just sounds like he's covered in
Matt (01:03:16.298)
That's wrong.
Luciano (01:03:22.909)
Just a generic cockney person. Some men just wanna watch the world burn.
Matt (01:03:23.028)
You don't... Yeah, you're not regal enough with your... Yeah.
Chris (01:03:23.378)
Again
Matthew Ward (01:03:25.324)
Yeah. No. This is dirty Michael Caine. I do a dirty Michael Caine. You know?
Matt (01:03:33.152)
You do Michael cocaine.
Matthew Ward (01:03:35.084)
Michael Koukai! I'm Michael Koukai! He's missing teeth, covered in soot. Working with working with Luscious Fox. You know how it goes.
Luciano (01:03:35.436)
Michael cocaine. Michael cocaine.
Chris (01:03:35.88)
Michael Koke.
Matt (01:03:41.3)
Yeah. Yeah, that's the movie I want to watch. All right, let's get back to these questions here. Let me just put to start time. OK, I got
Chris (01:03:41.527)
Too much meth.
Luciano (01:03:45.316)
Hahaha!
Matt (01:04:00.65)
So you want a hard question is what we're getting at. Okay, easy.
Chris (01:04:03.101)
Mmm. All day.
Matt (01:04:06.836)
We discussed this in the pre -show. Other than that, it's hard, brought it up. I said that essentially people need to realize that Ghostbusters was like an animal house comedy. wasn't like a kids could watch it. That's just by pure happenstance. It wasn't intentional. Also, also true.
Luciano (01:04:17.381)
Yeah.
Well, kids could watch it because it was the 80s. Yeah.
Matthew Ward (01:04:23.82)
and they wouldn't understand it anyway.
Chris (01:04:24.194)
Mm -hmm.
Matt (01:04:27.88)
Right, how do we adult this movie up? How do we make this movie an adult movie like Ghostbusters, the original Ghostbusters?
Matthew Ward (01:04:34.53)
Mm. Mm.
Luciano (01:04:35.694)
So I think the first thing is we need to do like bookends, you know, in the first movie we have a ghost giving Rey a blowjob. This movie Rey should give a ghost a blowjob. That's the first thing.
Matthew Ward (01:04:47.16)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Mm -hmm.
Chris (01:04:51.533)
That's pretty funny, actually.
Luciano (01:04:56.003)
Some sort of head. Some sort of head. Doesn't have to be a blowjob. It's something else.
Matthew Ward (01:04:57.216)
Yeah, yeah.
I think we need to up the ante because I was thinking in the same way. I think because this is the modern age, he should just eat the asshole out of a ghost. Just get in there and just eat that ass. I think that's what we should be doing. We really should appeal to the younger audience.
Matt (01:05:15.2)
sorry. I said adult it up and I just wanted it to be a little bit more like Ghostbusters 1. I didn't want you to describe porn.
Luciano (01:05:15.268)
Yeah, actually that could be funny. That would
Luciano (01:05:22.638)
Like R -rated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you don't have to show it. show... Yeah, yeah,
Matthew Ward (01:05:27.438)
You don't show the asshole getting eaten out. You just see the ghost. Maybe the ghost is like a stepmother and she's stuck. Or he. It's progressive here. So maybe they're stuck in a cabinet and Ray just comes by and he's like, And then he goes down off screen. We know what's happening. But we don't see
Chris (01:05:32.077)
No.
Chris (01:05:37.687)
Yeah. Or they.
Luciano (01:05:48.972)
No, you don't have to make it, you don't have to make it, you know, like a pizza man ghost showed up at the door. They don't have to go that far. What you have to do is the same way that it happened in the first movie only it's reversed, right? And we just showed the ghost reaction and then you show Ray standing up with like ectoplasm on his face. Done. That's it. You leave the rest of imagination.
Matthew Ward (01:06:02.658)
Mm -hmm.
Matthew Ward (01:06:10.178)
I like the idea of a ghost flying. I do like that because that's like the ghost flying in from the window and just sitting on his face. Like no real life, just ethereally flying in. Yup. Yup. Yup.
Chris (01:06:14.413)
pulling up their pants.
Luciano (01:06:17.496)
Yeah!
Matt (01:06:17.946)
Hahaha
Chris (01:06:20.023)
trying to take his just try to take his geriatric nap and you know and they're just like I might as well stick the tongue out
Luciano (01:06:33.208)
Yeah. When it when in Rome. Yeah. So when in Rome. Yeah. So I think that that's a must like, you know, a payback, if you will, from, you know, the first movie. What else?
Matthew Ward (01:06:34.082)
And instead of ectoplasm, it's just powdered milk all over his face.
Chris (01:06:41.237)
May
Matthew Ward (01:06:45.144)
Mm -hmm. Yeah, yeah.
Chris (01:06:49.877)
And I think, so that would cover like the, I guess that would help take care of the old guard, the old Gold Buster's guard.
Matt (01:06:59.104)
Yeah, that was literally the opening scene you have the entire rest of the movie to work
Luciano (01:07:03.733)
Hahaha!
Chris (01:07:04.107)
Yeah, and then I think there's something to be said for the kids or like the preteens and teens in this, know, for a lot of the movie, even if you wanna like lead with them to try to changing up the guard and so on, I want to get these kids into trouble. I don't know if any of you have seen Seth Rogen's Good Boys movie where like those three kids like are being thrust, are being like propelled into adult situations thrust.
Matthew Ward (01:07:30.072)
Thrust! Sounds like good idea.
Chris (01:07:33.575)
Well, listen, they're finding themselves in wildly confusing situations. And I think that's what these teens should also get themselves into. it doesn't always have to be about sex, drugs, da -da -da -da -da, doing things they shouldn't be doing, but being okay with trouble, like air quotes, good old fashioned trouble. And they almost, they tease that aspect or that concept with Phoebe not being allowed to ghost bust.
Luciano (01:07:46.232)
No, Yeah.
Chris (01:08:03.233)
But that was Luke warm. Go further. maybe she had me. What, what?
Matthew Ward (01:08:07.31)
Yeah, no no no I get where you're going finish with that go for
Chris (01:08:12.437)
I was just gonna say, yeah, I was just gonna say that apart, there's another way, like the Trident air quotes true rebelling against the adults or rebelling against the parental units, that's been done. But I also think that you could almost have a team A and a team B similar to X -Men, gold team and blue team. The adults have their approach and the kids have theirs, but not the cheesy, we know better.
Luciano (01:08:33.122)
it,
Chris (01:08:38.647)
But like, I want different perspectives and I want trouble. I want them to fuck up and I want them to learn and then I want them to grow. That's my thought.
Luciano (01:08:44.739)
It could
Matt (01:08:44.756)
Hey Chris, I love all that, but make it funny. The answer funny.
Matthew Ward (01:08:48.718)
I just want dirty one liners. That's what I want. I just want dirty one liners. mean, like when she's like, I'm 15 and everything like that. And then he's telling her, like, you're 15. And I'm like, yeah, she also wears the pole too. Like you feel that you work that in as bad jokes. It's like we're in a fire department. So she's like, you know, she gets up in the morning, she slides down the pole and she does all that. Like really work the bad, dirty jokes. Like you're coming from an original movie that was like, where did these tears go? They go up. Like
Luciano (01:08:49.28)
Hahaha!
Chris (01:08:49.335)
How is it supposed to... Matt? -huh.
Matt (01:09:13.34)
You
Matthew Ward (01:09:18.414)
Right? Like that's what I'm saying. That's all you need. Dirty jokes.
Chris (01:09:21.685)
Yes, and, but in order to do that, and I think we touched on it before, we have to decouple ourselves from the PG -13 rating, which is a handicap, and lean into the R. Right, lean into the R. And so I think Phoebe and a lot of these kids were just like, suddenly Phoebe's got like I don't wanna even call it a potty mouth. She's been waiting to cuss. I wanna hear them talk their shit. like, shut the fuck up.
Luciano (01:09:33.072)
mean, this is literally the question.
Chris (01:09:51.243)
You know, set the fuck up, Gruberman. Period.
Luciano (01:09:53.665)
Gooberman.
Matthew Ward (01:09:54.958)
I know, I feel like she's a good straight man. think Finn Wolfhard's the one that's gotta be like the filthy mouth dude just making bad jokes left and
Luciano (01:10:00.502)
I was thinking Melody, I was thinking Melody could be her, like she would be the straight man and Melody would like just drive her to do all this shit, like convince her to like possess her a little bit and make her go to a party, like that stuff, right? Make, we get serious and Matt doesn't like it. We're making art here, Matt.
Chris (01:10:10.155)
Why not? Sure.
Matthew Ward (01:10:15.81)
Yeah.
Matt (01:10:17.594)
I was thinking we go to a different question.
Matthew Ward (01:10:20.13)
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I just wanted more bad puns. Like, I was feeling like we needed to come up with more bad
Matt (01:10:28.97)
Hey man!
Chris (01:10:30.413)
I want weird, wild, and
Matt (01:10:33.982)
I don't want to talk about this anymore, we're moving on to the next question.
Matthew Ward (01:10:36.438)
Yeah.
Chris (01:10:36.737)
Keep going guys! He can't stop us if we keep coming up with ideas!
Matt (01:10:39.648)
Listen, if the podcast ends in one second, you know what happened.
Luciano (01:10:43.377)
Hahaha!
Matt (01:10:47.434)
Different question, much different. Much different. is Mayor, is it Gregory Peck?
Chris (01:10:50.037)
Okay.
Matthew Ward (01:10:55.949)
Mm -hmm.
Luciano (01:10:56.686)
No, guess Mayor Gregory Peck. It is now. It is now.
Chris (01:10:56.727)
Gregory Peck, yes! Gregory Peck, put some respect on... yes.
Matt (01:10:57.984)
Hahahaha
Matt (01:11:02.664)
It's close enough. That's Walter Peck close
Luciano (01:11:06.842)
The younger brother.
Matt (01:11:07.934)
Yeah, the brother of Gregor Fick. You know, you pick the one you want. I'm not here to tell you how to do this. If Mare, I want, he's in all, well, not all of them, but he's in the first couple of movies in this one. And he gets a bad rap, I think, because he's just trying to help the citizens. Even in the first movie, he shows up and he's trying to shut them down because arguably they don't know what they're creating in the, you know, doing to the atmosphere. They don't know what they're doing to the environment. And like it's, he's protecting the
Chris (01:11:11.541)
Yes.
Matt (01:11:37.76)
And know, same sort of deal in the second movie. In this one, he's the mayor, and all he does is like, hey, maybe you shouldn't fire off these proton packs, you know, the nuclear -powered proton packs in the middle of the street from a little sidecar wildly destroying buildings, not touching this ghost at all. And then, hey, maybe your 14 -year -old daughter can't legally work for you because that is not child labor.
Luciano (01:12:03.194)
child labor.
Matthew Ward (01:12:04.119)
Get it? Nah.
Matt (01:12:06.08)
And she's using a weapon that, well, I don't know, but I assume could kill a person. And she's 15. Maybe that's American. But anyways, the rest of it stands. So I want to know, you explain to me how he is the hero of this franchise. What are the things that we've missed? What did he do in those other movies where we didn't see him
Matthew Ward (01:12:11.896)
Mm -hmm.
Chris (01:12:13.706)
Vaporize.
Luciano (01:12:30.234)
Well, first, you know, the Ghostbusters are all going around cowboying and like, yeah, shooting fucking proton packs all the while. Who has to fill in all of the paperwork that needs to be filed when there's an accident, when there's like some substance being used, even though it's the eighties, there's still some paperwork to do. And he's just protecting the environment, man. He was in the APA in the first movie, right?
That's what he was. He was an EPA agent. He is just protecting the environment. The Ghostbusters are why we have climate change. And he was trying to protect us from it.
Matt (01:13:00.425)
Mm -hmm.
Chris (01:13:08.137)
And so this explains Greta Thunberg. He's been mentoring her. had told, had, she, mmm, illegitimate daughter. Legitimately illegitimate. this feels so many, this answers so many of my questions.
Matthew Ward (01:13:08.191)
And it's true.
Luciano (01:13:12.416)
Yeah. Yeah, she's his daughter. She's his daughter.
No, no, legitimate. His name is Walter Gregory Pack Grunberg. That's his full name.
Luciano (01:13:28.676)
Right?
Matthew Ward (01:13:28.718)
This explains why Barack Obama comes, because he's an ice guy and he's the result of all that global warming. see where you're going with this. So Barack Obama is the solution to global warming with ice fights.
Luciano (01:13:42.971)
That took a
Luciano (01:13:47.078)
The Ghostbusters are my creation. I trust them to solve all the problems.
Chris (01:13:47.564)
Yes!
Matthew Ward (01:13:51.424)
As long as he has
Chris (01:13:51.744)
We can.
Matthew Ward (01:13:54.702)
So as long as he has his horns though, so a horny Barack Obama is what will solve global warming. That's what I get. Yes. He was in this movie. Yeah.
Matt (01:13:59.541)
Mm -hmm.
Luciano (01:14:00.686)
Wait, Barack Obama plays Garaka?
Matt (01:14:03.75)
We've been there the whole time.
Luciano (01:14:05.766)
that makes sense. That makes sense. You can hear it can hear in the cadence and his delivery of the lines that is Barack Obama for
Chris (01:14:05.965)
It's an ensemble cast. took a village to raise the child of Baraka, Garaka, Baraka, Bama, Pratt.
Matthew Ward (01:14:14.156)
And the only one who knows is Mr. Peck. I see where you're going with this. I like that.
Matt (01:14:21.14)
Thank you for tying back to Gregory Walter Peck because I was confused for a second.
Matthew Ward (01:14:23.746)
Yeah. No, no, no. He's the one who knows. That's why he's behind all of this. He's trying to shut it down because he's trying to bring back Barack Obama or Barack or Caracas or whatever the hell that comes.
Matt (01:14:32.714)
to Yeah, we said
Luciano (01:14:35.002)
Barack Obama.
Chris (01:14:36.397)
back into the POTUS.
Matthew Ward (01:14:39.17)
Yeah. Yeah, he's the hero we need because really, he's not the hero we want. Yeah, but he's the hero we deserve. Really.
Matt (01:14:42.676)
Yeah. Phantom. Yeah.
Luciano (01:14:46.525)
But the hero we deserve.
Matt (01:14:50.334)
So just so I'm clear, Garakas is Batman and Winston is Lucius Fox. Great, let's check
Matthew Ward (01:14:56.398)
Yes. Luscious Fox.
Chris (01:15:00.313)
So who is the Joker? Luscious.
Luciano (01:15:02.295)
Who is the Joker we are we are for watching this movie
Matt (01:15:03.994)
Was this a The audience. Moving on! We're moving on. We're past it. We've moved so far past that movie.
Matthew Ward (01:15:05.868)
Paul Rudd. Paul
Chris (01:15:06.507)
Who's?
Luciano (01:15:10.96)
Watch
Matthew Ward (01:15:11.404)
He was in that movie too.
Chris (01:15:14.029)
So who's Bane?
Okay, we'll get that in post.
Luciano (01:15:17.54)
Hahaha!
Matt (01:15:19.52)
It's fine. Hey, we heard about the singing cheeses of Copenhagen when we were talking to Dr. Wirtzky's and he's teaching us all these like, yeah, Dr. Oswald. But he got a couple other ones, but he really didn't mention a lot of ones I think exist. So I just want to know some examples of other supernatural, unexplainable supernatural phenomena that either existed in the past or today.
Luciano (01:15:23.717)
Yes.
Luciano (01:15:27.738)
Dr. Patton Oswald.
Luciano (01:15:48.528)
think that the most famous one, obviously beyond the singing cheeses of Copenhagen, which are like world known, is the sad Ronald McDonald statue in Cardiff, Wales. It's one of the most famous ones.
Matthew Ward (01:16:00.211)
Mmm. Is it because it's in Cardiff? I'd be sad to. It's, yeah, it's a depressing place.
Matt (01:16:00.608)
time is
Luciano (01:16:04.622)
Yeah, and it's Ronald McDonald's. And it's sad. It's sad all the
Matthew Ward (01:16:10.776)
I don't even know where Cardiff is. That's England, right? Bad teeth. Awful. it's Wales!
Luciano (01:16:13.614)
It's Wales. I said Wales.
Matt (01:16:13.684)
Wales. Just to be clear, England is most assuredly not Wales.
Chris (01:16:13.751)
Yes.
Matthew Ward (01:16:19.234)
Mm. Mm.
Luciano (01:16:19.342)
Yeah. Britain is, but not England. Yes.
Matt (01:16:21.79)
Yeah. Yeah. That's like saying America is Canada. You monster. Great.
Matthew Ward (01:16:24.962)
I'm so confused by that area. Everything seems to just have weird accents and there's lots of sheep. There's no pun there. Well, I mean, if there was the singing cheese, I feel
Chris (01:16:26.833)
my god.
Matt (01:16:32.03)
Yeah, that's correct. Any other any other supernatural? No, no, no.
Matthew Ward (01:16:44.28)
No, I've got nothing. I've got nothing. I don't know what else. I was going to say something about like the, know, like they found it in, I guess, the singing boxers from there because there's the singing cheese and, those boxers only singing baritone, you know, so and usually from the
Matt (01:16:57.504)
You know, we're gonna just move to Chris and maybe we'll come back to you. Maybe we won't. We'll see if we have time.
Luciano (01:16:59.311)
No, it's...
Matthew Ward (01:17:08.524)
I've just got fart jokes, that's all that my mind's going to. It's just, you know.
Matt (01:17:11.188)
Listen, do you me to you a heads up on the next question so that you can prepare while the rest of us work through answers for this one? Yeah. OK, hey, I'm going to ask later after this question. I want to know what the real connection between Melody and Nadim the Firemaster is. So you work on that. And we'll come to you in a bit. Chris, I'm still here on the supernatural phenomena. What do you got?
Chris (01:17:17.793)
This current one, click, time skips.
Matthew Ward (01:17:18.606)
I suppose, sure.
Chris (01:17:23.927)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Matthew Ward (01:17:30.424)
Mmm.
Chris (01:17:33.409)
Yeah. Got it. There's the enchanted Shakewake wand
Matt (01:17:41.984)
Floor, Obama.
Chris (01:17:42.197)
I want to say, well, thank you. It's cursed with the spirit of one Mar -a -Lago Santana. so legend has it that if you clasp it in your hands with both hands, not, well, I mean, it was originally designed as an exercise apparatus, but it's cursed. And so.
Luciano (01:17:43.28)
Quebec City.
Luciano (01:17:49.006)
It's.
Matt (01:18:00.532)
God intended.
Matthew Ward (01:18:01.891)
Mm -hmm.
Chris (01:18:10.689)
When you grasp it with both hands, spikes come out and impale your hands, causing your blood to fill this apparatus with your life lube.
Matthew Ward (01:18:23.448)
Sounds a lot like my Sunday school teachings. saying.
Luciano (01:18:27.12)
Jesus Christ. I was going to say that what it does, maybe Chris, and I don't know if you've heard this about this artifact, but it steals your ability to dance. It's what it does.
Chris (01:18:34.325)
You and I had different texts, so what does yours say?
horizontally.
Luciano (01:18:40.9)
Yes, and vertically, but mostly
Matt (01:18:43.978)
Feels like it steals your ability to live and be alive. So I guess that encompasses dancing.
Chris (01:18:48.651)
horizontally.
Luciano (01:18:48.654)
I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean, if you're dead, can't die. Well, unless you become a ghost.
Chris (01:18:55.252)
And you go, you, move and try to secure some property in the containment, the containment.
Luciano (01:18:58.254)
Yeah. Also, everybody knows that the singing Jesus of Copenhagen go very well with the Dancing Crackers of Amsterdam as well. They pair. Yes, they pair very well.
Chris (01:19:08.979)
are they salted still?
Matthew Ward (01:19:12.142)
I take offense to that. That was just a viral video of me really grooving out when I was on vacation. So please don't bring up my family. You know? Listen.
Chris (01:19:20.193)
smelling salts.
Luciano (01:19:20.198)
Don't fuel the rumors. Don't fuel the rumors.
Chris (01:19:26.493)
We didn't say your name, I'm hard. We didn't connect that
Luciano (01:19:30.106)
No, they are the hard singing cheeses of Copenhagen.
Matthew Ward (01:19:32.652)
I don't moisturize as much, so like, yeah, I'm a little dusty, alright? But that doesn't make me a
Chris (01:19:37.869)
But we were extolling the history and anatomy and breakdown of the cursed Shakewake of Santana.
Matthew Ward (01:19:41.198)
Okay.
Matthew Ward (01:19:46.83)
And sometimes I like to salt myself. Does that make me a cracker? I don't think so, okay?
Luciano (01:19:48.047)
Med.
Three quarters of us sawed ourselves and crack.
Chris (01:19:55.777)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Matthew Ward (01:19:56.334)
I have oily skin. The salt helps. Okay, it does. You know?
Luciano (01:20:00.132)
Yeah, yeah, that's fair. That's fair.
Chris (01:20:01.077)
Mm -hmm. Back to the apparatuses. Has anyone ever taken consideration the
kettlebell of...
Luciano (01:20:11.237)
he.
Matthew Ward (01:20:16.046)
There's a lot of pauses here.
Chris (01:20:16.267)
Yankovic.
Luciano (01:20:17.83)
Why are you?
Matt (01:20:19.057)
on.
Chris (01:20:19.469)
I've been working on my Williams, I've been working on my Captain Kirk impression and y 'all, it needs a lot of work.
Luciano (01:20:22.958)
I was gonna say like you can - you come up with the thing and then you get stuck on the city? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Matt (01:20:30.129)
It's fun. Chris, I'm going to advance you to the next question as well. You should be thinking about what is the real connection between melody and Nadim Luciano. Any other supernatural items?
Matthew Ward (01:20:30.146)
Geography... Geography's hard.
Chris (01:20:30.357)
Nothing wrong, I was
I'll just connect everything to Mar -a -Lago next
Chris (01:20:39.209)
I appreciate that.
Chris (01:20:43.554)
Got
Luciano (01:20:47.143)
So together with the, you know, whitey, I mean the cracker, the dancing crackers of Amsterdam and the singing cheeses of Copenhagen, you do well if you have a glass of the farting wines of Paris.
Chris (01:20:54.113)
Whitey?
Matt (01:21:06.472)
All right, so you're just making sounds and locations. Great. Your advance to the next question, which is, hey, what is the real connection between Melody and Nadim? Gang, what do we got?
Luciano (01:21:08.29)
Yeah, I know. I have nothing. I have nothing. Let's move on.
Chris (01:21:12.673)
Rolled off the tongue. Rolled off the tongue, though. We're winning!
Luciano (01:21:14.424)
YES!
Chris (01:21:20.023)
Yeah! Two approaches. Three approaches.
Luciano (01:21:24.528)
She died, she died in a fire, right? And he's the fire master,
Chris (01:21:30.7)
That's
Matt (01:21:31.198)
Yeah.
Luciano (01:21:31.972)
hmm and he was able to use her match to
Matt (01:21:37.837)
I don't like where this is going, but I guess I have to see it
Chris (01:21:41.815)
killed her. He killed her.
Luciano (01:21:43.352)
Not him, but think his grandmother.
Matt (01:21:47.05)
killed their family.
Chris (01:21:47.297)
His grandmother was craving some s'mores and she had no crackers or chocolate, so she went with the marshmallow.
Luciano (01:21:48.61)
in a no she was she was she was high on quail ouds and she torched melody's place yes okay i'm back with you
Chris (01:21:58.891)
Melody is the marshmallow, by the
Matthew Ward (01:22:01.336)
So you hear? So
Chris (01:22:05.549)
I just had to spit that out because you weren't picking up what I was putting
Matthew Ward (01:22:09.262)
So here's the thing, you gave me a lot of time to think about this. first of all, we start with, she died, okay, and she died because of, a fire. So obviously she died from a fire that he created with the sole purpose to eradicate her because he knew that her connection to Caracas. So,
Matt (01:22:13.386)
Yeah.
Luciano (01:22:13.71)
Yeah, that was your mistake.
Matt (01:22:21.683)
in a fire.
Matthew Ward (01:22:39.374)
Did I say that name right? I don't even know. I'm all over the map with that, but... just remember... So
Luciano (01:22:39.718)
Caracas is the capital of Colombia. Caracas is the capital of Colombia, but carry on.
Chris (01:22:46.357)
RELEASE THE CARACAS!
Matthew Ward (01:22:49.282)
So she died because he had to eradicate her to protect the information on his little Pokeball. So if you think about it, she died, he eradicated her for information, which what we look at is
Matt (01:23:04.776)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Great.
Chris (01:23:13.815)
Wait, what? Yes?
Matthew Ward (01:23:14.2)
That's their connection.
Matt (01:23:16.884)
I'm sorry, I'm very confused right now.
Matthew Ward (01:23:20.12)
So, death, eradication, for information.
Chris (01:23:20.535)
The information of the Pokeball? Yes.
A sac, are you saying, you, okay, so, death for sacrifice, right, to get information. So Melody the Marshmallow was killed
Matt (01:23:30.058)
Who killed?
Matthew Ward (01:23:37.026)
Who killed? The woke mom. That's who.
Chris (01:23:39.455)
Nadine, the woke
Matt (01:23:42.429)
Okay, great. How does this relate to the deem then?
Chris (01:23:47.595)
Nadim was like, Nadim had so much rent back, like rent that he owed, he needed to connect some dots without selling drugs. Although, if I think about it, he did own a business that, you
Matthew Ward (01:23:53.983)
Mm
Matthew Ward (01:24:06.19)
I think the problem is I really don't remember at all what Nadine really did. I feel like he just sort of showed up, got some pencils, throw at
Matt (01:24:10.622)
He's the fire starter. Twisted fire starter.
Chris (01:24:11.361)
Yeah
Matthew Ward (01:24:15.712)
Yeah, that's right. He's supposed to start a fire.
Luciano (01:24:15.994)
Yeah.
Chris (01:24:16.237)
He wanted someone to play the game.
Luciano (01:24:19.504)
So we gave you all this time to think and you were just focused on making a DI joke that you forgot who Nadim was. Congratulations. You've played yourself,
Matthew Ward (01:24:25.26)
Yeah, yeah, I just forgot.
Chris (01:24:26.509)
It takes a lot of processing power to connect those
Matthew Ward (01:24:32.418)
I wasn't I wasn't woke enough for that. no, I gotta stop with this tortured metaphor. But the point being... Here's the thing!
Chris (01:24:36.247)
Another one! Another one!
Matt (01:24:40.606)
The point
Luciano (01:24:42.814)
There's a point.
Chris (01:24:43.095)
Keep going, keep cooking, turn up the fire.
Matthew Ward (01:24:44.046)
I she must have like, she must have like, known that he had the like, brass balls in his house. I guess. Like he had the brass balls. And so...
Luciano (01:24:54.607)
he has brass balls now, does he?
Chris (01:24:58.061)
That's how we could have fixed this movie. We started with one grass pokeball and there was another
Matthew Ward (01:25:03.202)
Maybe it was her family that killed her? The connections are so difficult to make. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris (01:25:08.821)
Nadine, fire master
Matt (01:25:10.844)
We're gonna, we're gonna, hey Matt, we're gonna advance you to the end of this podcast. You need to think.
Chris (01:25:14.055)
Yes.
Matthew Ward (01:25:14.584)
I feel like you need to. I just... I'm having trouble here. Alright,
Matt (01:25:17.428)
You need to think about your rating. Yeah, you think about your rating. You think about your rating.
Chris (01:25:20.683)
You're not, no, you're good. You're good. You just gotta, when you stick the landing, don't worry about what the others think of your landing. You just stick it and you maintain.
Matthew Ward (01:25:28.27)
I think the problem was I was expecting a different question. I think you were gonna ask like where she went.
Chris (01:25:33.101)
He gave you the question!
Luciano (01:25:35.172)
He gave you the question ahead of time! He stuck the landing but he landed on his face is what happened.
Matt (01:25:35.582)
I gave it to you in advance. I don't know what you want from me. That's why you're going - You've gone to the end portion of the show. Just worry -
Matthew Ward (01:25:41.206)
Yeah, pretty much.
Chris (01:25:41.963)
You've won. You've won. Go... Don't pass go. You're out of jail.
Matthew Ward (01:25:45.014)
Yeah, I don't know. I give up. I give up.
Matt (01:25:45.107)
Yeah,
Matt (01:25:50.048)
Yeah, just don't collect $200, it's fine. Hey, Lucy, how about Chris? Just you two. have one quick question for you. The studio is dead set on a sequel to this movie. That sequel was starring Trevor and Slimer. What is it about? It's fine, Chris. Apparently you only have the answer.
Chris (01:25:57.025)
Yes,
Yes,
Chris (01:26:09.911)
My body's ready.
Chris (01:26:15.359)
I think this is, it looks like the responsibility falls to me. So Trevor is by far the worst Ghostbuster in training that I've ever seen. And so since he can't catch Slimer, he's like, it's almost like the Wile E. Coyote Road Runner dynamic, only this time, Trevor, in this situation, Trevor is aware. And so Trevor drops the proton pack. He's like, listen, what are we doing here? I
I can't catch you worth a damn. Help me out. What, what, what, what, how could we do this differently? I'm not going to chase you anymore. And Simon's like, you want to do some math? And Trevor's like, listen, I'm not going to college. We've seen my transcripts. I've got no future. Okay. So whatever you have to teach me, I will learn. And so Trevor is like, I said, Slepper, sorry. And Slammer is like, yes.
Luciano (01:27:01.39)
Yes.
Chris (01:27:14.281)
I will show you the way in my past life. I was known as Donald Trump. And I will show you the way it was like, are you sure? That sounds awfully familiar. It sounds awfully familiar. How many lives have you had? Well, actually, I was also head writer on Revenge of the Nerds. I learned a lot. What would you like to what do you want? What would you tell me what you would like for your life to be? How do you want it to work out? I want a ton of money and a ton of and I never want
Luciano (01:27:22.131)
no. Yeah. Why? Why? Why? Why did this fall off a cliff?
Chris (01:27:43.937)
be disregarded and ignored again. And then he sets him on the path to become the next villain of the
Matthew Ward (01:27:50.38)
of the MCU.
Chris (01:27:50.816)
Slime hard.
Luciano (01:27:51.532)
This was going so well and then he shot itself in the face. I have no idea how that happened.
Matthew Ward (01:27:54.358)
Listen, I liked it because it had a lot of twists. You know what mean?
Matt (01:27:58.324)
You know what? I'm gonna advance this podcast to get into the show.
Luciano (01:27:58.424)
Yeah, it became a pretzel.
Chris (01:28:05.889)
No yes -ed, no collaboration, no iteration, just skip the question.
Matt (01:28:07.626)
Cheers!
Luciano (01:28:08.396)
Yeah, yes, and let's do our ratings. Scene.
Matt (01:28:10.496)
Yes, Dan! End title sequence. Great job.
Chris (01:28:13.229)
And that's when I realized I gave it my best effort, sometimes you need to just get busy moving on to the end of the show.
Matt (01:28:25.93)
You really should have said Andy Dufresne, because I think he can nail.
Luciano (01:28:26.264)
fell off
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good.
Chris (01:28:29.35)
Andy
Matt (01:28:30.793)
Yeah, there it
Matthew Ward (01:28:31.148)
You know what's funny? I feel like after this is edited, it's literally just gonna be the intro and then the end.
Chris (01:28:33.343)
next time don't try
Matt (01:28:38.496)
I don't know. I don't know how these things work But I do know how this thing works. Let's do a review as we rank these things No, it's s s is the highest then a f is the lowest Give us some reason. I guess I don't care at this point And we'll move out of their lives I'm hard. Why don't you go first and you've been thinking about the longest?
Chris (01:28:39.239)
Haha!
Matthew Ward (01:29:01.794)
Hmm. Alright. I... You know what the funny thing is? I actually didn't mind the movie. I didn't think it was that bad. I didn't think it was that great. It kinda sat right in the middle for me. I just... It loses points because I just want a goddamn Ghostbuster movie. Like, I don't care that they're fucking ancient. Drag their old asses out and make that the joke. I don't care.
Chris (01:29:25.389)
Get to
Matthew Ward (01:29:28.458)
I want them. I don't want Paul fucking Rudd. Nobody wants Paul Rudd. I'm pretty sure that's a fair assessment, right? I don't know how he won Sexiest Man Alive. He is the literally vanilla milk toast of sexy men. Like it's just, ugh. I'm really just going off on a tangent here, but the bottom line is I want old ass Ghostbusters making bad jokes, making bad puns, and that's it. That's all I want.
Chris (01:29:34.45)
Aww, I do.
Matthew Ward (01:29:57.536)
and some weird ghost in the middle of it and to find out if Walter Peck has a dick. That's what we want. That's all we need. So I give it... what would be dead in the center there? I don't know. C? C with maybe a plus in there? Give it a
Chris (01:30:05.005)
Should people see this movie though,
Matt (01:30:11.616)
C technically? Maybe give it a D then. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, great job. D, definitely D. I really love your synopsis of the movie and your review is I want the other Ghostbusters. Bang on. Luciano, what do you
Luciano (01:30:12.326)
CRD.
Luciano (01:30:19.844)
All right. Yeah.
Chris (01:30:20.087)
based on your tone sounds like to
Matthew Ward (01:30:21.057)
Nah.
Luciano (01:30:33.808)
First of all, I will have none of this Paul Rudd slander here. is adorable and he's funny, but I didn't want this sort of erased non -living thing Paul Rudd. wanted like, Anchorman Paul Rudd, right? Like make it, make it like, well, probably. Yeah. But like make it, I mean about.
Chris (01:30:37.857)
You get him. You talk your shit. Get him.
Chris (01:30:51.373)
Hey, Sex Panther.
Matthew Ward (01:30:52.545)
So you wanted him with a writer.
Luciano (01:31:01.432)
Almost the same vibe is like, don't necessarily care about bringing the old dudes in. I don't, they're past their time. It's fine for like a cameo or whatever, but like make another movie that's fun to watch. Like the first one was get four other funny dudes or like two funny dudes and two serious dudes, right? Or, even better, even better. It doesn't have to be all four guys for sure. It doesn't, you don't have to hire the only black man as like an afterthought either. Let's, know, bring it to the 2020s,
Chris (01:31:18.327)
people.
Luciano (01:31:31.398)
make it funny. Don't try to just pander to nostalgia. Don't try to cram however many, like 20 characters into the movie and forget about the plot making sense, right? So will I watch this again? Fuck no. I didn't mind it as much, but it was just a whole lot of nothing. there was a lot of like dead air in the movie. A lot of like scenes where I don't know. I don't remember if I said this on the pre -show or if I said this in the podcast, but
It felt like they were treating a group of children and say, okay, you're lying now. Now you're lying. Now you're lying, dear. And because there was so many people in this and it just became boring. So I will concur with the D, but I will fucking not have any of this pole red slender
Matthew Ward (01:32:17.784)
You know what's funny? Yeah, double these. You know what's funny though? Is technically how he described that they did the film is probably how, you you Matt should leave this group. Get a little bit more control.
Matt (01:32:18.346)
Double
Luciano (01:32:28.599)
hahahaha
Chris (01:32:30.753)
Your line, okay, now your line. And now you go, but you wait. Here's your next question. Your next question.
Luciano (01:32:36.225)
It will be less chaotic for
Matthew Ward (01:32:36.462)
The faults of this movie would save our podcast, or at least me from myself is all I'm saying.
Chris (01:32:43.957)
It's a teachable moment, you know, that everyone can benefit from. Yes, sir. Okay. For me, I think this movie gets a, and I'm not as angry as the other guys, but I feel like if I could misspell, like here's my statement for this movie. Keep going, but give us something else.
Luciano (01:32:45.723)
It's a dishable moment for sure.
Matt (01:32:49.344)
Press your review.
Chris (01:33:10.401)
Like I'm really interested in them trying to capture the magic of the, of the, the OG Ghostbuster movies. And I appreciate the hint at world building, but we need better writing. We also need to stop with this PG -13 rating. That's not what this is. afterlife, like the previous movie was okay in that context. But if you go into, if you set this in a scene, sorry, in a city such as New
We want the stakes to be just as high, it also, I don't want to say it needs to be darker. It just needs to be edgier. And I think the writers need to switch up. Like we need a different caliber. I honestly, I saw the other, the other Ghostbusters that are not part of Canon anymore, led by Melissa McCarthy and, and, and, and the other actors, the other team, they were good, but the writing held them back. And that's what happened here too.
My rating is C, because I want another, I'm always here for a Ghostbusters movie, but I need it to be better. And it was a missed opportunity with the other one, and this one definitely was lacking, but it just keeps, it's like that meme, that DiCaprio meme, I recognize that, because this, that's a Ghostbusters thing, that's a Ghostbusters thing, but you're not pushing the envelope. And so it doesn't get you there, but you want it to go there.
Luciano (01:34:27.607)
Yeah,
Luciano (01:34:35.054)
It's references without a plot, right?
Chris (01:34:37.749)
its references without a real value.
Matthew Ward (01:34:41.402)
I do want to correct you there, Chris. Melissa McCarthy was in this film. I guarantee it. She was in
Luciano (01:34:46.63)
She played Garaka.
Chris (01:34:47.329)
No wait! Shit. My bad.
Matt (01:34:48.432)
She that's right. She played garaka. You are correct. Yeah, nice. Nope, garaka. I mean, you guys mostly have said it again. I like Ghostbusters. I like seeing the Ghostbusters happen. So like it's when I watch it again, probably not. But it's like it's also Ghostbusters. And it's like the whole thing of
Matthew Ward (01:34:50.626)
Yep, she played Crocket. Yep, she was in
Chris (01:34:53.591)
Karaka.
Luciano (01:35:15.302)
But is it though? Is it Ghostbusters or it just has the name?
Matt (01:35:17.812)
Yeah, it's got, no, it's got the proton packs and the ghosts. Listen, so, but, you know, realistically, it's probably, you know, if I take away from my nostalgia goggles, it's probably an E, like the story's nonsense. There's two action sequences. Somehow this movie that is about New York City takes place in a bunch of buildings. The only time we're outside is when they fucking show that beach from the trailer. Otherwise, how come Garakka just hangs out in
Luciano (01:35:21.401)
Okay.
Matt (01:35:46.836)
building. what? There's no epic fight scene, no one's doing anything cool. And so we really get down the brass tacks like it's like they blew. There's nothing like they blew all their budget on God knows what like animating the fucking ghost moving those animated objects, I guess like so it's just like if you want here's the thing. If you're a Ghostbusters fan, you watch this, you're going to hate it. If you're not a Ghostbusters fan and watch this, you're going to hate it because it doesn't make sense.
Luciano (01:35:54.064)
True. There's no safe puffed marshmallow man scene,
Matt (01:36:16.638)
So that's an E for me. It's not Morbius bad, but it's close.
Luciano (01:36:21.07)
Alright, I respect it.
Matthew Ward (01:36:21.101)
Yeah.
Matt (01:36:23.732)
Thank you. Listen, we watched this and we want to do something fun next. So.
Matthew Ward (01:36:24.268)
Nah, nah.
Chris (01:36:24.605)
You're not lying. You didn't
Chris (01:36:33.549)
interpret that as you
Luciano (01:36:34.116)
Hahaha!
Matt (01:36:36.032)
We decided that's a stupid idea. And what we decided instead was to watch... Is it 2012? 2015. 2015, it is... Well, technically it's another TV show remake. It is... my God. My brain no burger. The Man From Uncle, thank you. There it is. We're watching The Man From Uncle. It was
Chris (01:36:42.381)
The boomerang the whiplash 15
Chris (01:36:59.469)
The man from Uncle. Army hammer. Caval.
Luciano (01:37:00.058)
The man from uncle, yes.
Matt (01:37:04.636)
It is not the army hammer vehicle. Elizabeth Dubecky or Dubecky maybe. Hanford Caval? Yes.
Luciano (01:37:14.16)
Guy
Chris (01:37:14.284)
Alicia Vikander.
Matthew Ward (01:37:14.574)
Thank God, because I've heard what he does in vehicles. It's not
Luciano (01:37:18.688)
Hahaha!
Matt (01:37:18.708)
It's not great. He does the outside of vehicles too, apparently. Listen, it's a good movie. It's a lot of fun. It just came back to Netflix. So we're going to watch it and talk about it. And Armageddon is a monster. And we'll probably mention that on the other podcast and never talk about him again, as we do. But yeah, we're really excited to watch the movie itself. It's James Bond without all the James Bond problems.
Luciano (01:37:37.69)
As we do.
Luciano (01:37:49.658)
Yep, that's good.
Chris (01:37:52.864)
They call it the kiss.
Matt (01:37:53.086)
All right. They caught the kiss. Yeah. Okay. We'll see you next. We'll see you next
Chris (01:37:56.417)
The Slimer. Blah! Yeah, because with the brass balls that are made of like brass and pokeballs. Huh! Ghost Brass
Luciano (01:38:03.002)
Who you gonna call? Gas Busters!