Ferrari

In this candid Michael Mann season finale for a Michael Mann retrospective, Ryan and Hughezy dissect the director's 2023 biopic  Ferrari, starring Adam Driver as Enzo Ferrari, with brutal honesty, calling it dull, miscast, and a box-office disaster that lost over $50 million despite its $95 million budget, while slamming Adam Driver's performance, Shailene Woodley's bizarre accent, Penélope Cruz's over-the-top portrayal, and Mann's obsessive car nerdery that prioritized replica vehicles and technical gimmicks over compelling storytelling. They also reflect on Mann's declining legacy post Heat and Collateral, express skepticism about the upcoming Heat 2 sequel, and highlight absurd behind the scenes trivia like Mann charging fans $65 for exclusive archives access.

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Host

Ryan Rebalkin

Guest

Hughezy

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Thank you.
Thank you.
Yes.
I'm sorry, with me, with me.
I'm the only one that matters, Susie.
We don't care about Andy.
I mean.
Yeah.
And I was going to say that I regretted every day of my life since.
Not Andy, just the movie.
So yeah, you weren't a fan of the film.
That's my understanding.
No, I wasn't a fan of Andy.
Oh, yes.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Well, I'll be sure to pass that show note on to him.
Man, I love Andy.
And he's been great.
I love that he's tackled that filmography.
It's been fun to listen to his journey when he's like, oh, I don't know how much I like Edgar.
Maybe I like Simon Pegg.
It's been interesting.
Edgar Wright, to me, he's the equivalent of like a really spicy Indian curry where you think you like it.
And then once you actually experience it, you go, this is kind of awful.
Like, why would I put myself through this?
Yeah.
Edgar Wright is one of these filmmakers, which is something that will relate into Michael Mann.
And that they get some sort of technical gimmick in their head.
And they think, right, like, for example, his new film, The Running Man, apparently, mostly filmed with drone cameras.
So they have these really elaborate chase sequences.
And it's like, okay, so did you make it because you have a great idea for a remake or because of the camera shots?
Yeah, fair question.
Yeah, and that's why with Michael Mann and some of his films, like Public Enemy, the fact that he filmed that on digital, it just looks bad in parts.
It does.
There were some parts that, yeah.
Yeah, it did look.
It looked.
I think we mentioned in our review when I did that one, there were some parts where it looked like it was home video.
There's just some parts like it's just the Blair Witch Project.
You know, the digital camera look at the time was not.
It's better now.
I'll give Michael credit.
It's better now.
And he likes to be a little bit ahead of the curve, I think, when it comes to that sort of stuff.
He's sort of the James Cameron of digital film work, I guess.
I think it's really set back his career slash legacy.
He used to be, like, I'm 40, so I was there for most of his career.
Yeah.
And it used to be like, a Michael Mann film's coming out.
We've got to go see this.
Tonight, he's making a straight-to-streaming sequel to Heat, which is really disappointing to hear because, A, I think it's a bad idea to do a sequel.
B, I heard it's costing $270 million, which is ridiculous.
And C, the fact that it's going to streaming is heartbreaking.
I hate straight streaming stuff by anybody.
Are you aware, though, that he did write a novel based, like, there's a novel called Heat 2 that he wrote a couple years ago?
I am, but I have also been blessed with the gift of dyslexia, so I'm not reading nothing.
Okay, well, there's an audiobook available as well for the said book.
You're going to see it, Husey.
Don't tell me you're not going to see it.
There's no way you're not going to see it.
I will, just to brag, because I have a big home cinema setup.
Oh, wow.
So I can watch the streaming shit on a big screen, but there's just something about it that, I don't know, like, when something's filmed in, you know, for the theatrical experience, it's filmed differently.
And I think that, unfortunately, when it comes to streaming films, they're not made for the home experience.
So they still do these, like, big, huge, wide screen shots.
And it's like, but this is for a laptop.
This is for a phone.
Everything should be more close up.
And so I don't think that Michael Mann will be able to rein his cinematic visuals in.
I suspect there's going to be, I hadn't heard officially, you're actually the first one to tell me.
It doesn't mean you're wrong.
I just, I kind of been tracking this.
I hadn't heard it's officially only streaming.
Not that I don't believe you.
I just haven't verified that.
You mentioned earlier about your fandom of Michael Mann.
What are some of the films that, yeah, you're like, oh, oh crap.
This is a Michael Mann film.
Heat goes without saying, I'm sure.
Maybe, maybe not.
But what are some of the other films that, hey, this is a cool Michael Mann film that you enjoyed?
Well, first of all, I've got to say that Heat and Goodfellas are my joint number one favorite film of all time.
Oh, fantastic.
I'm glad I got you on this season of Michael Mann.
This is great.
But I miss you for the Heat coverage.
Now I feel terrible.
Yeah, no, no.
Well, I did take it pretty personally, to be honest with you.
That's right.
I've been the one behind all the doxed of your private information.
Oh, I'm being doxed?
Well, you will by the time this comes out.
But, yeah, no, I think the fact that Heat is, what, three hours long and the entire storyline is cop tries to stop a robber.
And it's three hours long of perfection.
So there was that.
And then, of course, there was Lassie Mohegans because everybody thought that Daniel Day-Lewis was from Ireland because he's a liar.
It turns out he's just an arsehole.
So everybody loved Lassie Mohegans.
Where is he from?
Well, he's from England, but he's one of these dicks that has Irish heritage.
So he's like, yes, that's where I'm from then.
It's like, no, you're not.
And he thinks because he's got an Irish passport that it makes him Irish.
It's like, okay, then.
Pay your taxes over here.
Do that.
Yeah, of course you wouldn't do that, would you?
With Collateral, I think it's one of those films that you could describe this close to being perfect.
And I think that the first, up until the final 20 minutes or 15 minutes, I think Collateral is better than Heat.
Yeah.
But then it kind of falls apart when all of a sudden Jamie Foxx has developed the gun ability to take out a professional hitman in a straight ahead shootout.
It's like, I just thought that was so ridiculous, that ending.
We said the same thing in our covers that the showdown between Fox and Cruise, ironically, was the least interesting part of the film.
Yeah, they simply could have done something that when Vincent, Tom Cruise's character, jumps through the window, what if he didn't realize it, but he cut his wrist or something?
Mm-hmm.
And so he was trying to get this job done before he actually dies.
Yeah.
So the film ends with Jamie Foxx being a murderer.
I hated that ending.
But then Miami Vice was one that, it's one of those films that, it's just, there's so much potential in Miami Vice, because I love the TV show.
Oh, yeah.
And I remember when the trailer came out, it was the first, this is how old I am, it was the first ever 1080p HD trailer.
When people downloaded that and you see this for the first time ever, you're like, this is going to be incredible.
And then, of course, Ali, Manhunter, The Cape, there was all these films that I really do love until Black Hat.
Well, I didn't have a co-host for Black Hat.
Unfortunately, the scheduling didn't work out.
And you've seen Black Hat then?
I've seen it, and it's weird because I was so excited for it because it's the guy who did Heat and Collateral on Miami Vice.
Who's that guy?
Who are we talking about?
Old Michael Mann.
Okay.
So this has got to be good.
And then I remember going to go see it in the cinema.
Oh, wow.
You saw it in the theaters.
Wow.
And it literally had one screening per day.
So it was like, that's a good sign.
Yeah.
I don't think, no, Husey, I think it's the opposite.
I think if there's one screening per day, they're not filling it up.
I think it's the opposite.
Indeed.
And then you realize that he cast Chris Hemsworth while he was training for Thor 2 or 3.
Didn't he look like an MIT nerd?
You didn't buy that?
You didn't buy that?
Yeah, with his perfect luscious blonde locks and his steroid body.
And they might as well have just made it about Thor becoming a computer hacker.
And I just thought Black Hat was garbage.
How dare you?
The greatest Michael Mann film ever made.
How dare you?
Well, I preferred it to this one.
Well, don't spoil it just yet.
Don't spoil it just yet.
Okay.
Well, speaking of which, what I did with the Edward Zook filmography, when I finished that season, I did a ranking.
It was actually really a lot of fun to do.
Just a quick ranking.
I just quickly spoke about two minutes per film.
As I gave the least favorite to the favorite.
And I'm going to do the same for Michael Mann.
And I guess you already sort of spoiled it.
But I admit, I don't want to spoil my ranking.
You go ahead and spoil yours.
But I'm having a tough time where to place Black Hat versus Ferrari.
I'm actually having a hard time to decide which one goes to which.
But it sounds like you already have your thoughts on where you're going to place.
So you would rather watch Black Hat than Ferrari if you had to choose between the two right now.
You had to watch the two of them.
Which one are you watching next?
Well, if I had to choose, I would choose Black Hat because it's one of those films that's kind of silly that you can laugh at and joke about.
Sure.
That's fair.
Ferrari, I just find to be extremely dull.
Well, it's funny.
You sent me a message.
You're 16 minutes into the film.
You said, hey, I'm starting to watch the film for the podcast.
I'm 16 minutes in.
And I hate it.
And I'm like, okay, well, this will be an interesting discussion.
Before we get to our overall thoughts on the film, we've talked about Michael Mann and your journey.
See, yours is much like mine.
Yeah, we love the same films.
He has a great vision.
He has some great success.
And rightfully so.
Like, he knocked out of the park.
I even enjoyed Public Enemies.
I really like that one.
I love The Insider.
Of course, I'll save my final thoughts for the – I'm just telling this to you.
But I'll save my final thoughts for how I thought of each film when I do my bonus episode.
But Ferrari, the reason why I never saw it when it first came out.
I'm not a car guy.
So this is kind of – it works against me already.
I'm not – I don't get excited by vehicles.
Like, the Fast and Furious movies don't excite me.
Days of Thunder.
Those type – anything that's – I still haven't seen F1.
And I'm a huge Brad Pitt fan.
And I'm still dragging my feet to watch F1, even though I heard it's a really good film.
I don't get excited by car films.
What are your overall thoughts on car films?
Well, in regards to Formula One, that film is called F1.
But I didn't think I would give one F.
Oh, I like it.
Thank you.
But I actually – but the problem with F1, which I did go to see in the IMAX, by the way.
Okay.
You haven't seen it, but I bet you could tell me what happens in it.
Let me guess.
He's an aging driver.
Gets pulled out of retirement maybe.
Race is a very important race and wins it.
But there's some crashes and somebody died at some point.
I can't believe you spoiled this film.
Like, I enjoyed it.
I'll never watch it again.
It hasn't made me want to watch Formula One.
But in regards to Ferrari, it's pretty like this.
If somebody said, okay, Hughie, we want you to make an Oasis film.
If I did that, I would go into so much ridiculous, hyper nerdy detail.
Okay.
Fair.
That the smallest audience in the world would actually give a shit.
It's pretty clear that Michael Mann is a car fan.
Yes.
Because some of the scenes in this when they're talking about oil and engines and tires, and I'm just like, this is so shit.
Like, I don't care.
This is a glorified, like, you know, BBC or whatever will do a documentary and they'll reenact with whatever kind of actors that they find.
And, you know, like, they'll show, like, and they'll have these people who never made it to Hollywood, but they're better than your stage play actors reenacting moments in American history.
That's what this movie is with a big budget.
Exactly.
Michael Mann in his previous films has had a lot of, you know, of course, big name actors.
He's usually pretty good at drawing big name actors.
Of course, Chris Hemsworth was the prime Thor.
So they sold, I mentioned that in my review, that they sold that movie on Chris Hemsworth's face alone.
The idea was, I'm the handsome guy from the Marvel movies.
See this movie.
That was the selling point for that one.
Black Hat.
Ferrari, they didn't get, well, they didn't get the same aesthetics as they did with Chris Hemsworth for Levy Man, but that's okay.
Did you know anyone beyond the top three?
And I mean, Adam Driver, Penelope Cruz, and Shia, oh, I guess there's Patrick Dempsey.
You recognized him with the white hair, I presume, as an actor?
I did.
I'm actually kind of a Patrick Dempsey fan at the minute because there's a really shit filmmaker called Eli Roth.
Well, I know who that is.
He does all the horror movies and stuff, right?
Exactly.
He is a terrible, terrible filmmaker, but he just did his most recent one.
I should say the most recent one that I saw.
Sure.
Was called Thanksgiving.
It's a shockingly fun, entertaining, whodunit horror thing.
And I don't know if it's supposed to be funny, but I laughed a lot in it.
I think he does, though.
That's his style.
It's kind of like the idea is it's schlocky horror fun done well.
Like, I think Eli takes the piss out of it a little bit.
Like, I don't think he's meant to be taken seriously.
Like the conjuring.
You're not laughing at the conjuring films.
You may, but the idea, they don't create them that way.
I think Eli, I think that with his films, you're supposed to kind of have fun with it, I think.
But also in this cast, there's a couple of actors that I don't like.
There's a guy called Jack O'Connell, who's got this really annoying thing.
I can't stand it when somebody tries to grow, like, stylized facial hair when they don't grow thick facial hair.
It's like, stop trying to have a goatee.
You can't do it.
Yeah, I gave up.
I don't do it.
Husey, I'm with you, so you'll never get mad at me.
When mine gets a little bit too long, I do shave it, because I don't like to be a poser when it comes to facial hair.
So you thought Jack O'Connell, you did.
So Jack O'Connell, I didn't recognize him.
Do you recognize him from anything?
He played the real-life character Peter Collins, but did you recognize him from anything?
He was, of course, most recently in the ending of The Unbelievably Bad, 28 years later.
I fucking hated it.
Is that the franchise that Cillian Murphy started?
Yeah, yeah.
So is this the second or third film?
Is it a trilogy or is it just two films?
This is the third one, and it's supposed to be the start of a new trilogy.
You know what's so weird about that?
That day I was going to see everybody's favorite band, Madness, so I took the day off work.
Find out that morning, I don't know if you ever know the podcaster Ski Mask.
Oh, no.
Find out that he had just passed away.
So I went to the cinema, went to see the new Karate Kid and then the new 28 years film, and I couldn't believe that I thought that the Karate Kid was better.
I was going to say which one was better.
Okay.
And I didn't even think it was that good, but I thought it was better.
This is what Patrick Dempsey had to say about Mann.
He said that Michael Mann is a gearhead poet.
He'll quote carburetor specs and then whisper about mortality in the same breath.
How's that?
How's that for a quote from Patrick Dempsey?
He sounds like fun at parties.
So what do you think?
There is no ashtray.
Are you a prima donna?
No, that's why flicking ash out of a car at 200 kilometers an hour.
I'm offering you a brand new car which has the edge on Maserati.
Bullshit.
The Maserati is faster, and it has an ashtray.
If I put in an ashtray, will you drive it in the mille million?
That's a scene from Ferrari, of course.
You're going to have people racing to the theaters.
Women suddenly are going to be very interested in this sport.
Tell us about the movie.
Where did you shoot it?
It's a true story?
It is a true story.
It takes place in 1957, over three months.
It's not sort of an origin story about Ferrari's life.
It's leading up to the Mille Miglia, which is this very dangerous race that went all through
Italy in the 50s.
And Ferrari is in a position where he's just beginning his business, and he needs money.
It's a very expensive sport.
He's running out of money.
They need to perform.
So if they do well at the track, then they sell cars.
So that's where we're at in this.
And also the personal dynamics with his wife, who is his business partner, his lover, his child.
They just lost their child.
So it's about passion.
It's about loss.
It's so emotional.
It's powerful.
It's visual.
The racing sequences, as well as the humanity and the personal story.
The man behind sort of the image and the iconic figure that we know Ferrari to be.
Okay.
Well, did you know that Patrick Dempsey himself is a bit of a race car driver?
That's why he's in this film.
He's a bit of a race car nerd.
I think he does it as a hobby, club racing or whatever.
No, but I do know he was in Ghostbusters.
Sorry, I should say Transformers 3.
Who?
Patrick Dempsey?
You know it.
Yes.
I didn't know that.
I knew he was in Dr. McDreamy in that long running hospital show.
What's it called again?
Dr. Who.
Dr. Who.
Yeah, that's the one.
This is what Michael Mann had to say about Patrick Dempsey.
Patrick is the veteran.
Terrific wisdom.
That's the character he plays.
Terrific caution.
He's the one who finishes, not the one who wins.
How's that?
How do you like that?
That's Dave.
Michael Mann also said he brought his own racing logs from Le Mans.
Said, quote, I know what it's like to nurse a car home.
That's what Patrick Dempsey said because he's a race car driver.
He is a professional race car driver himself.
He brought his own 1957 Ferrari 250 GT to the set as a reference that they could have used in the film.
I was going to say, I would just use a photograph on my phone, but then I'm not an obnoxious, rich Hollywood star.
No.
No, neither am I.
Racing, I read that if you weren't doing what you as an actor, you'd rather be racing anyway, right?
If I was younger now, yeah, I'm getting much older.
So you got to do all your stunts?
I got to do everything.
So I did all the driving, all the stunt driving.
I was a part of the group of stunt drivers.
A lot of gentlemen that I knew through racing.
So all the racing sequences, that was me in the car, which was great.
We shot in Italy in Modena, which was fantastic.
And all the roads where they would test the cars and where they did the racing was very similar.
The authenticity, the attention to detail because of Michael Mann, our director.
It took him 30 years to make this movie.
I've been tracking it for about 15 years and just so proud to be a part of it.
And Adam Driver, who plays Ferrari, is fantastic.
Now, back to Jack O'Connell.
This is what he had to say about Mr. Mann.
He said, Mann doesn't say action.
He says go.
Like starting a Grand Prix.
You're in the race from take one.
Of course he did.
This is such bullshit PR thing.
It's like when everybody's promoting a horror film and they say, you know, making the thing was really scary.
It's like, was it?
How dare you?
We're talking about Ferrari here.
Michael Mann's swan song to his career before he too.
We got to sell this movie to the masses.
You said so yourself that after listening to my Miami Vice episode that you bought the 4K.
We got to do this for Ferrari.
We got to recoup some of the losses this film had, Husey.
They can keep it.
Okay.
I hit Jack O'Connell and I hit when they have directors saying stuff like that.
It's almost like he's a massive director instead of a massive actor.
So here's what Michael Mann had to say about Jack O'Connell.
I want to hear that.
Come with it.
He says Jack is a pure racer.
He has Colin's charm, Colin's recklessness.
He's the teammate you love and fear.
He asked me how fast is too fast.
And I said, you'll know when the tires scream.
My darling Louise, the same letter I write before every race.
I have no worry for myself in this race as ever.
My only fear is that you will need me and I won't be here.
In that unlikely eventuality, know you have all my love always.
Okay.
No, you're not sold yet.
You're not sold.
Okay.
Did you recognize the actor Gabriel Leon by chance?
No, I don't think I'd ever heard of him until this.
Okay.
So we'll go on to Shailene Woodley.
Okay.
Okay.
You did mention quickly Shailene Woodley.
What's your history in fandom of Miss Shailene?
What do you like about her?
I like the film, The Descendants.
Oh, I hadn't seen that one yet with Mr. Clooney.
Yeah.
It was a great performance where she played George Clooney's daughter.
Oh.
And he convincingly convinced us that he wasn't looking at her with sexual thoughts in his head.
Wait, he was in love with his daughter?
No, because he's a pre-verter on young women.
Oh, yeah.
So his...
Oh, I see.
George Clooney's acting was that he had to pretend not to be attracted to his character daughter.
I see.
That does take a lot of acting.
Yeah.
So, but apart from that, I don't like her at all.
She's like a real weirdo hippie.
And she said a lot of crazy stuff in the press.
So I have no time for her at all.
Yeah.
You know, as an opinion-based or review podcast, we're allowed to have our feelings on people's jobs.
That's how I look at it when I review actors and actresses.
Sometimes I would feel bad about saying, oh, I don't like their acting.
But I'm like, wait a minute.
But that's their job.
Their job is to perform to the public.
I'm the public.
And I can say, you know what?
They don't speak to me on an acting level.
And I don't know her all that well in the sense of like...
So I have seen her and stuff.
She was okay.
There's a TV show that I liked on cable called Big Little Lies that I enjoy.
But for other female leads that were in that that I enjoyed, she wasn't the strongest point of that series.
But that being said, I think Shailene is sort of like the Timu version of Scarlett Johansson.
You know?
I think we're supposed to think she's a leading lady looks to her.
I think we're supposed to think she's a good actress.
But I admit, when she's in film or TV roles, I don't go, oh, man, she really brought it.
And this movie didn't help that case.
So I'll just leave it at that.
And she plays Lena Lardy, which, of course, is the side piece that Enzo Ferrari had.
And literally had a child with her.
They met while he was already married.
They had a child out of wedlock.
What's so funny?
Ah.
I wondered.
We need to be back.
How can I stay away?
It's the plums.
Where's Piero?
On his way home from school.
He asked me yesterday.
What?
He ends up being with her, I guess, at the end of the film.
I'm not sure about real life.
So Shailene is not, I dare say she's not Italian.
Are you aware of her background?
Is she Italian?
I couldn't.
I think she's one of those California Americans.
Yeah.
I think she was probably born in America, too.
This is the biggest criticism I had of this film.
Why don't they?
They did it for some of the drivers, which is cool.
Like, the actors that played the drivers were Italian.
Why didn't they find an Italian actress to play his love interest?
How hard could that have been?
Then her accent, a scale of 1 to 10, what did you think of her Italian accent?
Zero.
Like, I thought she was playing a Japanese person at the start.
One of my biggest pet peeves in films like this is when it's like something set in, say, Italy,
and they have people speaking in broken English.
Now, I'm not saying they should be fluent Italian, but there's a Tom Cruise film called Valkyrie,
where he plays a soldier in a certain guy's army, shall we say?
It was so good.
I had to look at Wikipedia to make sure Tom Cruise wasn't born in Germany.
That's how good that was.
And they did this great thing at the start where it begins with Tom Cruise speaking in a perfect German dialect.
Then it switches over to American.
So they actually are speaking Russian, but only we can understand it.
So they should have done something like that for this, because as we get to the other accents of the actors,
it's actually funny.
It's like Saturday Night Live.
Only funny.
You see, they could have actually...
Here's the irony.
This movie, we'll get to the budget, but this movie did cost a lot of money.
They could have, quite frankly, got an Italian actor.
Think of some, not struggling, but some new, young, attractive Italian actress who wants to get their foot in Hollywood and be known to the American public.
They could have easily done a casting role.
It would have been, quote-unquote, less expensive because you're not a name actor, right?
Yeah.
And this is one of these things, they're trying to sell the American name.
Like, oh, Shilene Woodley's in this film, Husey?
I gotta watch this.
I gotta watch this now.
The Star of Divergent 2?
Nobody watched this film because she was in it.
Or maybe.
Out of a million people, how many people do you think saw this movie because she was in it or else they wouldn't have seen it?
Her mom and her mom's friends.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
So they would have saved money and they would have got someone who could speak Italian or at least have the accent, the proper Italian accent while they speak English.
And you're right.
They could have had them speak in Italian and do that.
Okay.
We know that they're speaking Italian to each other, but it's just English for English viewers.
I get it.
That happens all the time in film.
So there's no problem with that.
But again, total miscast.
Total miscast.
She didn't add anything.
Her acting.
And I can't even forgive a bad accent.
Yes, I'll even use.
I love Tom Cruise.
I'll use him for Valkyrie.
Like, I take the mick out of it.
But at the same time, he's a great actor.
He delivered a great performance, but his accent was terrible.
And even Kevin Costner in Robin Hood.
I can forgive him because I like Kevin Costner.
I enjoyed that film.
You know, I can get away with bad accents if it's just a good film or good acting is what I'm saying.
So she didn't add anything.
That's my final.
And I think you feel the same way.
Okay.
Yeah.
And finding out that she comes for money.
The fact that she keeps getting cast in roles.
Yeah.
I think it doesn't make any sense to me.
So I'm thinking that that money also helps finance some of the projects she's in.
I know.
Do you want to hear what Miss Woodley had to say about Michael Mann?
Oh, Christ.
So she said, Michael Mann's intensity is contagious.
He'll spend 45 minutes on one gear shift because it has to feel 1957.
And so every single moment of the experience felt like an opportunity to soak it up, to not forget.
I would take notes.
I would talk to his crew because a lot of his crew members had worked with him for decades.
And there's also something to be said about that.
Someone who has people who desire to work with him again and again and again.
And it's because no matter the circumstance and maybe the temporary chaos that might be happening, Michael pushes everyone to be the best that they can possibly be because he pushes himself to be the best he can possibly be.
And that is, again, it's just a very addicting, wonderful energy to be around when you're in the process of creating art.
See, see stuff like that.
That's completely like the marketing people told them to say this.
How dare you?
Okay.
Michael Mann has had this to say about Miss Woodley.
He said, Shailene is the quiet engine.
She is Lena Lardy.
Steady.
Watching.
Holding the future in her hands.
She also learned to cook risotto the way Lena did.
Just to feel the domestic cage.
Sorry.
I thought these trivia pieces would enlighten more about the movie and endear you to the actors in the film more usually.
I don't think it's working.
It's just that them trying to fit in all these car puns.
Like, nobody gives a shit to this type of stuff.
Like, they seem to think, oh, these types of car puns will make for good, what's the term, vox pops.
Oh, sure.
You know, it's silly.
Did you know that Miss Woodley, she really wanted to immerse herself in this role, so she learned how to cook risotto.
But she also, check this out, for two weeks, you know, she comes from money, but she wanted to get into that, you know, kind of a little bit of a poor type, you know, atmosphere playing this character, Lena Lardy.
She lived in a 1950s-style apartment in Modena for two weeks to feel Lena Lardy's isolation.
Check that out.
Or she could act.
No, no, no, no, no.
She had to immerse.
Can you imagine what it's like to live in an apartment for two weeks to feel that isolation, Husey?
Yeah.
Oh, I've never understood the logic of that practice.
So I did this research for eight months, and it's like, okay, but beforehand you were sitting in a trailer eating a banana waiting to be called to set.
So unless you were literally in the apartment and they called you directly to set, then all that method stuff is a waste of time.
And also, what did you do when you were there in the fucking apartment for all that time?
Oh, I know.
She's on her phone doom scrolling or whatever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Taking selfies, pretending to care about political issues.
Actually, can we look up what her political opinions are?
I'm curious because I don't know what mine are.
I want to see what celebrities say so I can follow that.
Is that what you do?
That's exactly what I do.
She's never spoken about her politics publicly, so that means she's on the right.
That's true.
If you don't know her politics, they're conservative.
Hi, Kevin Hart.
Okay.
Now we, of course, know Penelope Cruz.
What's your fandom, if any, or history with Penelope Cruz as an actress?
And speaking of Tom Cruise, she's an ex-girlfriend of Mr. Tom Cruise himself.
Oh, yeah.
I bet you they had lots of sex.
That would have been a great nickname, though.
I mean, she could have literally changed her last name had they got married, and it would
have sounded the same.
Talk about convenient.
At least phonetically, it would have sounded the same.
Hey, it's Miss Penelope Cruz.
Yeah.
I really loved Vanilla Sky.
Did you?
But then it's also one of those things where I'm a Tom Cruise fanboy.
Yeah, I am too.
So it's kind of like if Vanilla Sky starred, say, Adam Driver, but I still like it.
So I liked her in that, even though she reminded me of an ex at the time.
Oh, you're lucky.
Yeah.
So not physically.
Oh, the emotional part of it?
Yeah.
Mine was.
The behavior.
Okay.
Yeah.
And the part where she broke up with him because he'd get too wasted at a bar.
Oh.
I thought, yeah, that reminds me.
That hits home.
Vanilla Pie.
Her casting in this was shocking to me because obviously she's from Spain, right?
Or is it Mexico she's from?
Good question.
Yeah, Spain.
You're right.
Alcobendas, Spain.
So a little closer to Italy than America.
Yeah.
But her accent was so bad that it sounded like she was being racist towards Hispanic people.
Right.
Like, it was horrific.
And what made it even worse is you could tell she was trying to do an Italian accent.
Italian people, Italian American, you know, and I thought, this is terrible.
I would not have cast her in this at all.
Excellent.
I hold on to this until I get my check signed.
And I want information about the special payments made by the factory last year.
To who?
Lina Lardi.
Lina Lardi.
I want to know how much they are.
I want to know for how long they've been going on.
Yeah, again, another sort of miscast.
I mean, I don't, I've never watched a Penelope Cruz film because she's in it.
Have you ever gone to a film saying, oh, Penelope's in it?
I'm seeing this.
I got to see this.
Have you ever done that?
I remember seeing Pirates of that Caribbean 4 or 5 and she was in it.
And that was a huge mistake.
I don't even think I could, there's been a Penelope Cruz film where she's played the lead.
I don't think I've ever even heard of it.
If she's in a film, sure.
You know, if she's, you know, like it's fine.
Like there's nothing about her that makes me think, oh, great.
She's in this film.
Shailene Woodley, it's a little bit like that.
Like, oh, I'm not sure what this, I actually might question the film if Shailene's in it,
but I don't question the film if Penelope's in it, if that makes sense.
So that's a credit to her.
Like, oh, okay.
It might be a decent film because Penelope in and of herself is a good actress.
I know she's well regarded in her roles.
And she's been very fortunate.
She's been cast by a lot of great directors and stuff.
Michael Mann had this to say, but you ready?
You ready?
Oh, great.
Penelope found Laura's rage in the letters.
Real tears on real paper.
That's right.
So for context, Penelope Cruz had the letters from Laura to Enzo Ferrari.
She had the letters and the letters apparently usually were stained with the tears that she
had as she wrote the letters.
There was tear stains on the paper.
Penelope found Laura's rage in the letters.
Real tears on real paper.
She weaponized grief.
That's what Michael Mann had to say about that, about both the actress and the letters.
He also had this to say about Miss Cruz.
She's volcanic.
One look from her and the whole set felt the marriage collapsing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's right.
The script is written differently.
He goes on to say, I guess Michael Mann feels differently than you, Husey, about her performance
as an Italian.
You want to hear what he has to say about that?
Miss Cruz doesn't play Italian.
She becomes Modena, the city.
1957, barefoot in a silk robe, furious.
You disagree with Mr. Mann's assessment of Penelope's performance?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Why didn't he just cast Chris Hemsworth in this role too?
It was realistic.
Did you know that Penelope gained 12 pounds?
She gained 12 pounds for this role to be more of a frumpy housewife maybe?
I don't know.
Did you catch the weight gain, the 12 pounds you put on?
That's the sort of thing I would say if I felt my face full of Botox as well.
And she also learned modernese dialect for her character.
And she also kept the character's rosary from the set when she left.
She kept the rosary.
Well, I hope she kept the receipt on the dialect stuff because it did not work.
This is what Penelope had to say about our director that we're covering, Mr. Mann.
Michael gave me the actual love letters, which I mentioned, between Enzo and Laura, handwritten, stained with tears.
He said, quote, this is your script now.
She goes on to say, Michael Mann is a perfectionist, but not cold.
He's passionate, like a conductor.
All right.
Here's the drum roll.
Your favorite actor of all time, Adam Driver.
Thoughts and fandom on Adam Driver.
How many films of Adam Driver have you seen because he's starring in it?
You're like, oh, Adam Driver's new film's out.
I got to see it.
Here's the go.
I can officially state that I've never liked the single thing he's ever been in.
And it annoys me that I keep getting tricked into going to see stuff.
I remember he was in that TV show Girls.
And I couldn't stop watching that show because-
You actually watched it?
Every episode.
Why?
Because I'd heard all this hype that, oh, it's John Apatow.
And he used to be good a couple of decades ago.
And I thought, oh, well, and then you hear, oh, it's this new, unique, harsh reality take on comedy.
And instead, it was just a gross show where people are spitting on the floor.
And it's not funny at all.
It sounds funny.
Spitting is hilarious.
I love it.
I love watching that.
It was such a bizarre show because it was written by women and directed by women.
And it was four or five women were the leads.
Yet the women were the most irritating characters.
And Adam Driver was in it.
And he kept having to come and save her and save the day.
And it's like, if a man wrote this, these women would be furious about it.
Oh, I see.
Right.
So I thought it was terrible.
But he's made so many.
Every film I've seen him in is bad.
J. Edgar was terrible.
Lincoln was so boring.
While We're Young was crap.
Star Wars, the three of them, absolute shit that killed Star Wars.
Silenced the most boring fucking Marnus Corsese film ever made.
Black Klansman should have been great.
It was crap.
The Dead Don't Die, which was shit.
House of Gucci, which to be fair, wasn't bad, but it flopped.
And one of Jared Leto's worst performances ever, which is saying something.
And then, of course, this last year, he was in Megalopolis.
Oh, that was a big film for Francis.
I heard that was a big box office success and did well, right?
An enormous thing.
And now we've got the Megalopolis Oc Trilogy coming soon.
Oh, good.
Can't wait for part six.
Yeah, I can't wait.
You've seen a lot of Adam Driver films.
It looks like you're a fan.
That's the thing.
It looks like I'm a fan.
Adam Driver is basically today's version of Nicolas Cage.
Only Nicolas Cage actually has success to lean off.
Adam Driver is just terrible.
My first Adam Driver film that I ever saw him in was the Star Wars film.
I'd never seen him before in anything.
That was of note.
So I think I might have seen Lincoln before.
But the point is, I don't remember him.
It wasn't like, oh, that's Adam Driver.
He's just a whatever side character actor.
So I'm looking at all the other films before that Star Wars film in 2015.
It's like, no, nothing registers, right?
I'm watching the Star Wars film.
I'm not going to go on a Star Wars tangent.
But I'm actually kind of enjoying it.
Like, I'm an easy please.
The Hughes-y, I'm kind of an easy please.
Like, I do have opinions.
But I'm kind of like, it's a fun film.
I'm putting myself as a kid.
If I was 10 years old to watch this film, I'd probably have fun.
But, you know, I get the criticism and all that stuff.
But I'm watching the film thinking, this is kind of fun.
It looks all right.
I did enjoy his character, Kylo Ren.
Like, the voice and the mask and the cave.
Like, oh, the...
And so I'm watching this.
I'm like, this guy's pretty badass.
He's kind of cool.
I like it.
Again, I don't know who Adam Driver is, right?
Then he takes off the mask.
And I'm like, oh, I don't know if I like this.
And it's so terrible to...
Again, there are public figures on screen.
I have to watch your face.
Now, there's people who probably don't like my face.
They don't watch the videos.
That's fine.
That's your right.
So I admit, when he unmasked himself, I thought, oh, no, they ruined it.
They just ruined the character.
Had he remained masked like Darth Vader?
Well, you know how Darth Vader was masked right till the end of Jedi?
That's what they should have done with Kylo.
I wish I never saw his face.
The moment I saw what he looked like and sounded like without the mask, I was like, oh, I don't know if I like this guy.
Or this...
I admit, aesthetically, I was like, I don't know if I can watch this.
And I think that's part of the problem with Adam.
Bless his heart.
He's no Tom Cruise, okay?
He's no Brad Pitt.
What do you want from me, Husey?
Literally, the only good thing I've seen Adam Driver do was he was on Saturday Night Live, and they did a sketch.
What is it?
Undercover Boss?
Is that the name of it?
Oh, yeah, sure.
Sure, yeah.
He did an undercover boss parody as Kylo Ren.
Okay, sure.
So it was him on the starship, and there's stormtroopers talking shit about Kylo Ren.
And he's force squeezing them while they're talking.
So I thought that that was funny.
But apart from that...
Sure.
He could be a sweet...
Maybe he's the nicest guy.
Again, we're not talking to less people at us in the comments.
We're not talking about him as a person.
He could be the greatest, nicest guy in the world.
We're talking about their job as an actor.
I feel the same way.
I've never seen an Adam Driver film where I'm like, I got to go see this Adam Driver film.
I've seen him in films, just like you.
I've seen a lot of the ones you mentioned.
And I don't see those films because he's in it.
Like, okay, he's in it, I guess.
And I don't hate the films because he's in it either.
But I'm always like...
So this is probably the first real Ferrari at the film where I'm like, oh, he's playing...
Yeah, I guess we should say he's playing Enzo Ferrari, the real-life person.
This is probably, for better or for worse, probably his best on-screen performance.
I didn't mind seeing them as much as I thought I was.
Because I'm not a huge Adam Driver fan, right?
I don't know if this is making sense.
So he wasn't necessarily the worst part of the film.
Like, he was okay.
He was...
Again, he was like, sure, Saturday Night Live skit-worthy makeup and all that stuff like you're saying before.
I get it.
But he didn't make the film bad.
I disagree.
Well, I thought his attempt to, you know, have an Italian accent was shockingly bad.
Yeah.
He spoke like he had food in his mouth.
They should have just had him in every scene having a sandwich.
And he takes a bite and somebody says, Enzo, what do you think?
Enzo goes, oh, well, we're going to do the thing and move the car over there.
You blame me for his death?
Yes.
Yes, because you promised me he wouldn't die.
Everything.
I did everything.
Table showing what calories he could eat.
What went in?
What came out?
I graphed the degrees of albuminuria.
The degrees of esotemia.
Diuresis.
I know more about nephritis and dystrophy than cars.
Yes, I blame you.
I blame you.
Could you let him die?
The father deluded himself.
The great engineer.
I will restore my son to health.
Swiss doctors, Italian doctors.
Bullshit.
I could not.
I did not.
He has become an albatross right now.
I know that if he's in the film, this is either going to be a giant flop or shit.
So did you know who was originally looked into to do this film?
Over the years, this film has been in development for 30 years.
As per Michael Mann, he always, that's pretty common for a lot of directors.
They'll have passion projects they hold on to for a long time.
Earlier people to look into were considered for this role.
I think Robert De Niro at some point.
Christian Bale.
Hugh Jackman.
Thoughts on those?
All bad choices.
Get an Italian actor.
Okay, this film could have been saved to some degree.
If you're going to go balls out with this production, because like we're saying, this guy loves his car.
So there's no criticism of his cars.
The cars look great.
If you're a car guy.
Puss, wait, QC.
If you're a car guy or gal, you know, person.
If you love cars.
I know.
I just got to.
If you're a car guy.
Let's be honest.
If you're a car guy and you like Ferrari or if you like race cars.
Or the history of cars.
Again, this is a documentary for you.
You're probably like, oh, cool.
Those look cool.
That's how they were raced.
That's how it was done.
Cool.
I'm not a car guy.
I'm not a race car guy.
I don't care how far he was made.
I don't care.
The best part of the whole film was the crash.
And that lasted five seconds.
That kind of goes back to what we were saying about Edgar Wright, where it's kind of like, did he come up with a way to film this crazy graphic car crash?
And then come up with a story around it?
Because that felt out of place with the rest of the film, you know?
That's real history, though.
That was actually, as you know, that did happen.
That was the one.
And I didn't know this crash happened until I saw the film.
Did you know this big crash happened before you saw the film?
Or were you like, oh, did you find out it was real after?
All I knew was that Ferraris are cars.
That's all I knew.
Okay.
I have such little interest.
I kind of wish I knew about the crash before seeing the film.
Because I think I might have been more interested in some of these side characters.
I didn't know that guy died.
I think I would have watched their nuance and how he became a driver for Ferrari, the guy that died in the crash.
I think people might have known about the crash who are enthusiasts.
And so I think leading up to it, it's like Oppenheimer.
Like, everyone knows the bombs are going to go off.
So you're kind of more invested in how do we get there?
Because you know what's going to happen.
I didn't know this big crash was a big part of history in racing.
I think I kind of wish I knew about it.
I might have been a little bit more interested in how we got to the crash.
That is a good point.
Yeah.
Because it's almost like this film is about nothing.
It's just like a couple of days in the life of Enzo.
It's not like his rise to the top of the industry or what happened later.
It felt like this was part one of a miniseries or a potential sequel, which unfortunately, I don't think we're getting.
We're not going to Ferrari 2.
Ferrari 2.
Now, do you want to hear what Michael Mann had to say about AmDriver?
He might feel differently about you.
He says, I'm so sorry.
I don't know what I'm thinking.
I wanted to cast somebody even more out of place than Thor as a nerdy computer hacker.
So close.
But let's see what Michael says.
He said, Adam doesn't act Enzo.
He is Enzo in 1957.
The way he holds silence is louder than any engine.
No, it isn't.
Okay.
The barbershop that's in the movie is the barbershop that he got his hair cut at.
The guy who's cutting my hair is the grandson of the guy who cut Enzo's hair, where there's a couple crash.
And that is the place where it happened.
And you can see the person, you understand why he was famously kind of a hypochondriac and didn't like to travel.
And so he wanted people to come to him.
So he would have this routine of going from his apartment to the barbershop, to the factory, back to Lena's house, back to the...
It was all within a few miles of each other.
When you're there, you're like, oh, it couldn't have been made any other place.
The light in Modena is different than the light in LA.
The red of a Ferrari in Modena is different than the light of Southern California.
So you...
Okay.
How about this one?
He learned to shift a four-speed crash box blindfolded.
That's not acting.
That's ownership.
Is that really that difficult?
I don't know.
He was blindfolded, Husey.
He said this about Adam Driver.
Driver has the eyes of a man who's already seen the crash and keeps driving anyway.
Okay.
Well, how about this for trivia?
So Adam Driver, he learned...
Look at his name.
Oh, he was hired because he's Adam Driver.
I didn't even make that connection.
I didn't even make that connection.
He was hired by his name alone.
And Penelope Cruz, get it?
Oh, Cruz Control, Adam Driver, the two...
Husey, how did we not catch this?
Well, I was saying it beforehand.
You just were listening.
You were drinking beer.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
I apologize.
I was probably referring to my notes and not listening to my co-host.
That's shame on me.
You're going to double-dox me when this episode is over now.
So Adam Driver learned to drive a 1950s Ferrari 801 without power steering or synchro gearbox.
He did 80% of his own driving scenes, by the way.
He drove 80% of his own scenes.
I don't even know why that's important, really.
I mean...
Well, that tells you that he was immersed in the role.
I heard that he literally got so method that he changed his name for this film.
That's how long he's been prepping to play Enzo Ferrari.
He's now Adam Enzo Ferrari Driver or just Enzo Ferrari, period?
They're changing it for potential recasting.
Oh, okay.
This is what Driver had to say about Michael Mann.
Michael Mann's got this relentless pursuit of authenticity, which we knew, which we knew, Adam, to be fair.
He says, if you turn the wrong way, you're dead.
He wanted us to feel that.
Yeah, that is kind of the whole point of driving.
That if you go the wrong way, you will die.
Michael Mann relates to Enzo's relentlessness and ambition.
That's Michael Mann on set every day.
Okay?
So I love how they connect, like you're saying, they connect the movie to when they talk about each other.
They connect the movie with the character of the person.
It's like you and I doing this podcast together.
Husey, you bring the exactness of a director sitting on a chair when you podcast with me.
Thank you.
Yeah.
When you ask me a question, it's honestly like you're just waiting for the information to come at you.
That's what I like about you as a host.
When you host a show, it's like you've got a topic in mind, and I think that's a good sign of a podcast.
Thank you.
Lastly, he said Michael Mann doesn't just direct a scene.
He engineers it like a race car.
Sorry.
When this film came out in Bond, I would love his agent just to have those coats on the page and just curling them up into a ball and throwing them at him and saying, here's why nobody went to see it.
And here's another reason.
And here's another reason, you fucking idiot.
It's just so cringy.
It's like Michael Bay really knows how to transform an actor.
Should we do this?
I don't even want to do Michael Bay for this director's chair network.
I don't think I can do it.
I don't think I can do it.
I don't think I can watch all of his films.
Do you think that can be done?
Can I?
I'm going to say that as of right now, I'm a big time Michael Bay fan because his most recent film is called Ambulance.
Oh, wow.
And I'm not kidding you.
It is brilliant.
And I don't mean in an ironic way.
It's basically like if they ever made it.
Have you ever played Grand Theft Auto?
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
Right.
Well, without spoiling the film, a bank heist goes wrong.
A police officer is shot in the escape.
So they take a, what do we call an ambulance hostage, an ambulance driver hostage.
Paramedic.
Yeah, paramedic.
Thanks.
So the police now know, okay, these guys robbed the bank.
They've got the money.
They have this woman taken hostage and there's a shot dying officer in the back of the ambulance.
So they're being chased nonstop like in GTA.
And so it's basically like Mad Max in the city.
And there's some legitimately incredibly intense scenes.
There's good drama.
There's genuinely funny parts.
And I thought, why did it take Michael Bay this long to get it right?
And of course, the biggest bomb of his career.
Okay.
Well, two things.
If Michael Bay ever gets covered, it sounds like you want to be the co-host.
But if you ever want to cover Michael Bay and join the network like Trucker Andy did with Edgar Wright, the spot is open for you.
Just put it in the back of your brain.
If you want to add more to your plate, no pressure.
It was just as a quick plug.
I think it was last year we did Michael Bay's explosive Christmas special on my YouTube channel.
We had a round table with Christian Blatt.
I don't know if you know him.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
He did Manhunter with me on this season.
Oh, good.
And Kaylee joined us and Lemmy joined us and we did a round table talking about Michael Bay.
So you can hear the audio version for free.
Or if you want to become a YouTube member, you can get to see whatever garbage I was talking about that day.
Awesome.
No, sweet.
Yeah.
Christian's great.
Of course, Kaylee's done both seasons with me.
And she's actually doing the next one as well with me.
Stand by for that for Terrence Malick.
And I'll be throwing that at you after we go offline here for your choice for that season.
Okay.
This movie costs a lot of money.
So I mentioned this for Black Hat.
Black Hat lost.
Sorry.
Michael Mann's Black Hat lost $90 million to the company.
To Universal.
It was a $90 million loss.
The fact that he even got to direct.
Can you imagine losing?
You're in charge of losing that much money to a company and they give you a green light for another film.
Do you want to guess how much money this movie might have lost?
I'm going to guess $58 million.
Oh, close.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Between $60 million to $80 million.
Yeah.
But see, the thing about Michael Mann is, I don't know if anybody ever remembers,
hit a short-lived TV show called Luck.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
I think I watched that.
That became sort of infamous because there was a lot of horse.
Because it's a film.
It was a TV show about horse racing.
And there was a lot of horses died during the production.
So even though it was a hit, the HBO just said, yeah, you're done.
We're not getting into your legal drama.
So Michael Mann was not in a good place at all career-wise.
Oh, that's right.
It was only nine episodes.
Dustin Hoffman in it.
That's right.
I totally forgot about that.
Are you sure that was him?
It says he was created by David Milch.
Oh, yeah.
You're right.
He was an executive producer.
He was an executive producer, Michael Mann.
Interesting.
Okay.
Wow.
I totally forgot about that.
That was 2011.
The thing about his films, Losing Money, is that they're very poorly casted films.
Like Colin Farrell was terrible in Miami Vice.
If I was going to hire him to play Crocodile Tubbs, I can't remember which one, I would say,
okay, can you do an American accent?
And if Colin Farrell said yes, I would go, you're lying to me because you can't do an American accent.
He's one of yours.
Isn't he one of yours?
He's an arsehole is what he is.
Yes, I have at least one arsehole I can confirm on this show.
But with them, and then Black Hat, that should not have been Chris Hemsworth.
He should have looked way different.
And then with this, Enzo, not Amore, Enzo Ferrari.
I don't think Adam Driver was the guy to do it.
This should have been, even Nicolas Cage should have been the guy.
Yeah, sure.
And it says it costs $95 million.
I didn't see where that $95 million was.
It didn't look like a nearly $100 million drama.
Do you want to know where some of it went?
You want to hear this, where some of that money went?
This is insane.
It had a budget from $95 million, like you said, most sources, to $110 million, according to some other ones.
They recreated those vehicles with 3D printers.
They replicated the fleet of Ferraris from scratch.
The production built 13 authentic 1950s replicas using laser scans of originals, 3D printed parts for precision, down to the millimeter accuracy, and modern engines for safety.
The $35 million Ferrari SS replica was the cost of the car.
With one crashing to a hay bale during testing.
So part of that millions of dollars, Hughes, he went to recreating these vehicles down to parts.
Michael Mann is just a car nerd.
I think he just got to play with cars on film.
When you hear stuff like that, it almost deserves to fail.
I'm looking at the poster here, and Shailene Woodley's name is on the poster, but her face isn't.
It's like, so what's she fucking there for?
She's the love interest.
She's the side piece.
I thought we established that, Hughes.
She's a big part of the car.
Put her on the side of him on the poster.
I hate when they do this on posters, when they have the names of the actors and then the faces of the actors, but the names aren't above the right actor.
Now, you're going to like this.
We talked about the cost.
Okay.
Do you ever buy a DVD, Hughes, and you watch the extras that come with the DVD?
You know what I mean?
Like a DVD or 4K will have extras.
You know, you go to the bonus disc.
Do you enjoy those things?
Do you like, hey, that's cool.
Love it.
Let's get physical.
Okay.
Now, so this movie costs a lot of money.
So what Michael Mann did, you can go to michaelmannarchives.com, and you can see a deep exploration behind the camera.
You can take an interactive journey inside the directing the Ferrari with 20 mini docs, a trove of director's materials, photo galleries, storyboards, and much more.
You get to experience from attention to the final drama as it happened.
You tracking so far?
You get full shooting script, the 20 mini documentaries, photo storyboards, shot lists, six pivotal scenes from the film in 4K, special effects, visual art direction, line script, continuity.
It's all there, historical research and images, all on michaelmannarchives.com.
That's pretty cool, eh?
That actually is pretty great.
But I can tell you that there's nothing about this film that would make me want to rewatch it or to find more information on it.
Oh, I forgot the best part.
It's not free.
Oh, great.
It's $65 US dollars one-time purchase.
You get to have all of it.
That seems like a bargain that I'm going to buy, too.
No, no, you only have to buy one, Husey.
You can buy me one as a gift if you'd like.
That's who the second one was for.
Oh, I spoiled it.
It's so great.
Can you believe that?
Like, I'm not trying to, like, it's so weird.
It's like, like I said, when you buy the 4K, right, it's already the 40 bucks, at least 35 to 50 bucks, these 4Ks.
That comes with those docs on those, it comes with.
That's part of the selling point.
Not michaelmann.
He's like, I got to recoup these costs.
So if you want to watch those extras, you get to buy the 4K.
But if you want the full meal deal for an extra $65 US dollars, you get to get the full experience.
You got to purchase the excess.
But michaelmann specifically is, because I'm a big sucker for the audio commentaries on Blu-rays and DVDs.
But he's someone that I don't listen to because he's so detail-orientated and goes into such massive analytical coverage of everything,
Or you just think, no, this guy's boring the shit out of me.
I'm not watching this stuff at all.
There you go.
That's michaelmann's final film released in theaters and Ferrari.
Heat 2 is something we have to look forward to.
If Heat 2 does get made and is, yeah, for Heat Part 1, I did a five-part series.
I encouraged listeners to listen to that.
And, Husey, I'd love it if you'd listen to it.
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
But I did Heat Part 1, as I'm calling it now, I guess.
In five parts, what I did was I took about 35 minutes of film.
Like, it divided up in five.
And so each co-host, we'd only talk about that part of the film that their segment was in.
You know, they gave their overall thoughts, but the idea was it was such a big film that I didn't want to rush it that I gave a co-host each chunk.
And had I known that you were such a big fan, of course, I would have offered that to you at the time.
So my invitation to you publicly, you can say no, and I can edit it out if it's embarrassing me.
But if Heat 2 comes out, I'm going to do the same for Heat 2.
I'm going to divide it up in chunks.
I suspect it's going to be a three-hour film.
Will you come on and do a part with me?
I'll absolutely do it.
And I'm just reading the details here that they've got the budget down from $200 million to a pathetic $150 million.
Oh, my gosh.
You know why?
I don't know what they're going to do.
It's going to be weird.
Val Kilmer's dead.
The other guys are 90.
I don't know what they're doing.
Apparently, it's a new cast, and the names linked with it so far is Leonardo DiCaprio.
Who I love.
Adam Driver.
Bradley Cooper.
And it says Butler here, so I would assume that's Gerard Butler.
Oh, is it that Elvis guy maybe?
Or no.
Is that who that is?
I have no idea.
Who's the guy that played Elvis?
Vin Diesel.
No, Aaron Butler.
Oh.
I think his name is.
Okay, so.
Yeah, Heat.
Okay, so you'll be on.
Good.
Okay, good.
That's one down.
I've got to fill out four more.
I think it's going to happen.
It's going to come out.
And to Michael Mann's credit, he's like 80%.
He's like 82.
So for him to keep working, he's 82 right now.
That's pretty impressive.
I mean, honestly, like all joking aside, he made this film when he was 80.
You know, Ferrari.
Like, it's pretty impressive to keep working, to be up on your feet all day, to direct, to talk.
So, I mean, the fire in his gut might be gone the way it was when he made his earlier films.
But I guess it's going to be interesting to see what an 82-year-old director does with this film.
What do you think?
It is going to be, like, I'm interested to see it.
But Michael Mann, the name, unfortunately, I think he's lost his luster.
Heat, again, I think it's one of the greatest films ever made.
But it wasn't like it was some giant, mega, unbelievable smash hit.
Like, it made, I think it made 150 million.
Heat won.
So, the budget of, I think they're going into heat to expect way, way too much.
Well, I think it might be his last kick at the can before he kicks the can.
I think he's probably going to pass during the making of it.
But this is, it's like, what's the name of the director?
Richard Donner, who was almost 90.
And they were like, he's like, I'm going to direct Lethal Weapon 5.
It's like, are you?
Well, Husey, it's been an absolute pleasure recording with you.
Truly, I love your commentary.
I love your humor.
I love your insights and your love of film, which shows in the discussions.
I do appreciate that.
Let people know where they can find you and your thoughts on stuff.
Find me on social media.
I'm at the Husey on pretty much everything.
And on YouTube, my channel is called Huse Entertainment,
which at the time of recording this, I'm about to begin a massive amount of live streams during December.
I always like drinking heavily with silly sweaters on with this type of decorations behind me.
You'll have to check out the YouTube to see what I'm talking about here and hit the like button.
And that's basically it.
Everybody will be guilt-tripped into doing it and will feel bad for me as I rapidly gain weight over Christmas because it happened last year.
And it horrified me.
And I got so out of shape that I developed gout earlier this year.
So let's see what I can do to myself this year.
I'm looking forward to see how you damage yourself so people can watch that live as it's happening.
Wow.
Watch a man's self-destruct on his YouTube channel.
That should be the tagline or the poster.
Yeah.
What comes first?
My heart attack or heat to?
Oh, that's a good question.
That's a poll question for you.
All right.
Thanks, everyone.
And stand by for the next episode where I break down my ranking of Michael Mann's films.
And we'll drumroll.
We'll see where Ferrari lands on that list.
Thanks, everyone.
And thanks for joining us on the Michael Mann season.
We'll see you next time.
We'll see you next time.