Subscribe
Share
Share
Embed
Transforming the Game with Kristina Katsanevas is the podcast for game-changers, risk-takers, and industry shakers. Don’t hate the player—hate the game? Not here. These leaders are rewriting the rules. From high-net-worth entrepreneurs, founders of Australia’s most iconic brands, and those disciplined enough to keep stacking those habits to success. We dive into the minds of pioneers innovating in media, business, fashion, sport and transformation.
Want to know how to break the mold and redefine success in your career, business, and life?
Tune in and start transforming the game.
For the past fourteen years, Kjellmarie has been changing lives in ways you might not expect. Across seven countries, she's helped thousands of people uncover and heal the deep rooted struggles behind their symptoms. She believes that human beings are self sabotaging their true potential. So today on transforming the game, let's tap into the incredible power of the subconscious. Hello, Michelle, and welcome.
I am so excited to have you on my podcast today, and we're gonna be talking all things about self awareness, perception of others, and just how do you make the change to be happier in your life. How have you been? Oh, thank you. I have been incredible. Thanks.
I am very excited for the start of 2025 and exactly embodying what you have just suggested, so I can't wait to dive into it. Excellent. So, you know, we live in a world that is just full of instant gratification and instant reward, and you work daily in an area that isn't that tangible to some in the energy world, in the subconscious. How do you explain what you do to someone on the street? I mean, yeah, they they've gotta be ready to hear it.
And, ultimately, I feel the way that I explain it, it'll either go straight through to the keeper or they will grasp it. And, essentially, what we all are, no matter what roles that we play, we are all energy at the end of the day. We are all have not only a human part to ourselves and and a physical body, but we have a spirit within us and an energy force. And all of that really basically is in the science of that is where different vibrations made up of different protons, electrons, and, neurons put together. So there is an absolute science to that, but how I explain to people what we do or what I do for for instance is whatever it is that you're experiencing, the pain that you experience, your body knows why it's there.
Your body has your answers within because we can always find what is in the root source of the things that are either blocking you or the things that you want to acquire in your world. So, you know, people might hear that and they might not, and that's okay. That's totally fine. Yeah. So listen, it's you're about listening to your body.
Right? So you're trying to get people to understand how to listen to their body. Now I've, my my auntie is actually a kinesiologist, so I have been involved in this space and had treatments from my auntie before I knew what it was when I was a teenager where she was balancing my hips out or balancing my body out, and I wouldn't have even appreciated the benefits I was reaping from that until actually I left home, went to university, stopped getting those treatments, and really found a misalignment in my hips, found a misalignment in what I was doing, and I would seek out people to rebalance me. That's just some benefits I would get. I would feel grounded.
If my body was even hurting, I would find sometimes it would heal it. So I would get some good benefits. What have you found with your clients? The certain benefits that people have left after having a treatment or seeing you? Well, you're absolutely right.
The the body knows how to heal itself. That is fundamentally a belief and a knowingness that I, you know, I live by. The body knows how to heal itself. We've just got to firstly understand how it's been trying to communicate and it might not look like the way that you feel it should be communicating or the way that we have been taught to understand our body. It's out of the constraints of our own, I guess, learned systems through other conventional ways of treating.
So with that in mind, the body knows how to heal itself. Like people come in and it starts with a physical symptom. Initially, they're just like, hey, You I've got this cough. Like, even just I'm just thinking of a client yesterday. She had this cough that just wouldn't go away.
It's been there for months now, and it led us to so many different areas of where the referred pain was actually actually from stress in her shoulders. When we don't adequately address our stress, the stress gets stored in our body, then our body turns to operate in a compensated state. And when it's in that compensated state, other things start to compensate other areas of the body, other systems of the body, our emotions, our energy, our mental capacity, the way everything starts to get a little bit off center. So the word balance is absolutely accurate, but on so many meanings of it. Like, we wanna balance your body so your body can find balance and live from its most optimal optimal state of health.
So people come in with anxiety. People come in with physical symptoms that they can't shed specific weight. There's sleep issues that they're just, like, I'm waking up at these particular times in the night. I clench my jaw. I have these tension headaches.
My mind is so scattered. Anything and everything comes through, and the body always knows why it's reacting in that way. And so that's fundamentally what I always tell them. Like, it doesn't matter what you have, inverted commas, your body knows why it's reacting in that way. I've found that before and even treatments I've had where I've gone in and gone, I just feel off or I just feel like I'm a bit foggy or it might be something as light as that.
And you go in and then you guys start asking these questions and doing these things and tapping my arm. And next thing you know, you're getting me to say these statements. And next thing you know, there's tears rolling down my face and I didn't even realize I was subconsciously stewing on this or I would come subconsciously sitting on this, data and information that had happened weeks, months, years ago. And then once you started to unravel things like that, you release it, your body goes, oh, okay. I know what what's going on.
I can deal with it. And then every time, like, the symptoms, whatever it was, or the anxiety, or the fog, or, like, my hips, depending what it was, would would dissipate. So Totally. Imagine the power of the body. It is.
Like, the thing with we often forget that our body is always trying to help us out. And I think we are the first people to, you know, shame our body, reject our body, feel let down by our body, and really ridicule our body because we think it's not doing the things that we want it to do the way that we want it to do it. But it's always trying to support us. It's just what so when we're saying that there's stuff that we or emotions that we had no idea had an effect on us at that time, your conscious mind or your subconscious might have been like, that was a stress. This is too much for us to be able to understand or really unpack.
Now we don't have the wisdom to understand it. So we're just gonna park it. It's we're gonna hold it, and we're gonna do the things that we know in order to protect ourselves. So when anything similar like that comes again, we know how to either avoid or suppress or perform or behave. And so that stress is still there, though.
That stress is still there that the body is is working in and around. And so when we start to address the symptoms of what that stress has now created, The the fogginess, I. E. The tension headaches, I. E.
The emotional outburst that we have with our partner. We're like damn that reaction did not seem to justify from what the actual stimulus was. And you're like, damn, where did that come from? It's because we have no idea what has been compounding in our subconscious to have then, you know, tipped us over that edge to to react in that way. And we're not saying that those reactions are in a way justifiable, but there's always a reason why that's there, and your body knows.
No one wants to lose their marbles, but it happens. Is that like it's like the straw that breaks the camel's back. Right? There's just it's been stacking and stacking, and then that's that one, and then your body goes, I'm done. It reaches that threshold.
Yeah. You're right. How do we get people what would be your tips then? How do we get people to start listening to their body and not going, oh, this headache isn't because I'm, sitting in front of screen or whatever. They're like, how do people know when it's a symptom because I kicked my tongue, my toes off, or when it's something that needs work?
Yeah. Great question. I think it starts with offering the space for yourself to just really sit in that discomfort for a second because we're always so programmed to go like if we're sitting down, then it's not it's not productive. So it's just like, dad, this headache is annoying me. I've got stuff I need to do.
So I'm just gonna quickly take a panel to quickly take something to get through it. So that's the mentality that we've got to start to unlearn, like having a space to rest and really dial into the way that our body is communicating. Like, pain is as is is communication. The body is saying that I'm in misalignment right now. I'm in a state of stress and start to inquire like, okay.
So what is this headache really revealing? If you sit with yourself and not have your logical mind try to override it every single moment, you will start to hear intuitively what your body needs to hear. And you might find tears start to run down, and then you're probably gonna doubt or judge yourself because you're like, oh my god. Why am I crying? There's no logical reason for me to be crying right now.
And all those states of judgment need to start to be seen through the lens of compassion. Because even though it might not seem in the ways that we've been programmed now to be justifiable to crying right now, your body is just releasing that energy. And all it is is just a response to energy that's been suppressed, trapped, distorted, interfering. You've got to let yourself to have the space to be able to process that so your body can recalibrate with no longer holding that stress. I like that.
So that's bringing it into becoming self aware of and not judging yourself of going, okay. And would you say accepting your emotion at that time of going, okay, I'm sad right now. I'm allowed to be sad. But maybe not need to dwell on it. So don't play the victim card to go, I'm a sad person.
Go, okay, I'm sad in this moment. That's okay. It's time to move on. Yeah. So is that in the when we move then into the subconscious realm of this because everyone's walking around with a slightly jaded reality.
What my reality is to a situation is different to how you might perceive it depending on what's happened in your day, your life, and, any and the people around you. So when it comes to sitting with yourself, that is a difficult thing to do. That, like, that is a lot of loud noises in a lot of people's heads. Even though you're sitting with yourself, that's a That's a lot of judgment. That's a lot of all these things that come from your subconscious and your values and things that have been stored that you don't even realize.
What's the process for you to help people realize what's real and what's their reality and to get a grasp on their subconscious mind viruses, if you'd like? Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. Beautiful question.
Look, I I totally get it. Like, it is the most uncomfortable space to sit with yourself sometimes and really hear all the things that are slingshotting in and around your mind and in your body. And it can feel like the better, easier option is to Band Aid this Band Aid with a solution of it just taking something and masking that. So it is it is challenging to really sit with that initially until you start to build through the work. I mean, obviously, I will advocate my work because it has done it's moved and transformed my life, my family's life, my extended family life monumentally.
So through the lens of kinesiology, until you start to build that energetic subconscious infrastructure within yourself, AKA learning how safe it is with respect to your body in knowing in in processing the emotions that are buried, build the infrastructure within yourself to go down and trust that you can start to now unearth these blocks, these unresolved emotions, these experiences that have left imprints from our childhood that we didn't realize affected us, that are still playing out and affecting our behavior and our beliefs on ourselves to this day. We then start to see it as it's all just energy, and it doesn't have to be from the meaning that we give it. Like, we made a meaning about it, a sadness, like, hey. No confident person should feel sad. Like, you know, we've put our judgments on what these emotions should be or what they are, but ultimately, they're just different qualities of energy.
So if you could just receive that energy in the form that it's just energy, like, yeah, it might feel and show up in what we perceived and judged sadness to be. And that might come out as, you know, tears and it might come out of just feeling really low in energy because that is another lower energy frequency. So once you allow yourself to just see it as energy, see it as it's just something that needs to be expressed in whichever way it needs, let it go, then your body will be able to now start to recalibrate. So it's just, I guess, seeking out the spaces where you're able to feel comfortable in letting these slowly surface and being okay to work with your body and not against your body. Yeah.
Okay. And you're saying that kinesiology transformed your life. What was the moment? Why did kinesiology have such an impact for you? Oh, I could list a million and one, but the most significant was at first from not being able to public speak.
I found I struggled to be able to articulate my words. The words would get stuck in my throat. My mind is just like, what the heck? My mind would disassociate. My heart would start racing, and I would have these panic attacks in situations that didn't really need to in my opinion, again, that's a judgment, but it didn't replicate the stress that I was experiencing to the stimulus of in the environment of where I was at.
And so it used to infuriate me, used to get me so upset and frustrated with myself, but then also just fearful of this expression. So in those moments when I would go to a kinesiologist, and I didn't know any I just the way that I stumbled in kinesiology was really quite profound. I felt like it found me. And I was trying to articulate this to my kinesiologist. I just don't know.
When I'm in those states of stress, I can't express it. The words won't come out. I'm in that much of an emotional reaction that those words won't come out. And the beauty of it was they were like, you don't need to say anything. Your body is talking.
This stress response is your body talking. So the relief I felt and the tears I felt when I'm like, I don't need to find the words to say it because it's already happening was the biggest healing moment for me. And in time, you know, layer after layer, stress after stress, and we move several layers at a time. We understood that I never felt safe to be able to speak up in my household. I was the youngest of five very dominant personalities.
I was the fifth dominant personality, but in that space. And and, you know, mom was never really and this is just I can say this so comfortably now. Dad was never physically around. Mom was emotionally not available. My voice didn't matter.
It felt that way in that moment to me. So then to be in a space where I was to share my opinion and who I was, the reactions of feeling inferior was all coming through. I could start to and, you know, your story will only make sense to you mostly because it's your story. And you're just like and every part of you will feel it. You will feel the relief.
You'll feel the wisdom. You'll feel the compassion, and you're just like, holy shit. That makes so much sense. And then the the healing process begins. You've just you brought it up to the conscious mind.
You can see it. And with that, you let it go. And, like, the ability to be able to say the things that I wanna say when I wanna say it, when I'm stressed, when I'm happy is just the most moving thing. But then also in the loss of my dad, he he died to mesothelioma. Kinesiology really supported me through that whole grieving period of watching him slowly deteriorate and all the meanings I gave to what life will be like when he's gone.
Do I have his approval? Did I have his approval? Am I good enough for him? And all those things that you don't consciously really think of, but they're there and they play out. And that that's see, that's so that's so critical and key here where it's things you you might think you have the control.
You might think you've sorted out all of that, the the the drama and the neglect and everything that might have happened in your past, or it's the perceived stories that you've been telling yourself to make yourself feel better. But then, I heard someone ask a great question going, oh, but if I could give you the keys to turn it around, would you like because you're like, oh, that's great. That was meant to be would you still would you do it? And the answer is usually no. I'd try and find a way.
And understanding that what actually is deep in your subconscious and is actually driving decisions, is actually driving, you know, your fear of not being able to speak. You wouldn't have known until you had the right person to start to unravel what is going on. And then when you get that moment of going, now I get it. You become self aware. You get that perception of yourself, of others, of what, you know, of how when you're talking, how they're feeling.
And then you also, I guess, get that real reality of sometimes when you're speaking and they're not connecting, it's because they've got they've got other stuff going on in their head. And I think that helps the community in life and in your career and everything you're doing. Because you're no longer responding. When you're starting to look at these stresses and these unconscious triggers that do direct your con like, your conscious world. Like, even though your mind is, like, do the thing, but every part of you is, like, pulling up this resistance, and and you can't piece together why you're responding in that way, which can then create more frustration.
Like, your subconscious will always dominate your conscious, will always support you in in believing that it's keeping you safe over keeping you happy and doing the things that you think that you wanna do. Until you address what it believes is protecting you from, then you're never going to be able to move past that because it's always gonna be overriding your conscious mind. And so it then gives you that empowerment to no longer be interacting with people from a reactive state or from a state that you, you know, are coming from with blind spots. You are coming from a state of neutrality because you're no longer getting, I guess, trying to balance out. Now what's what's the word?
Like, I think minimize or balance out the the triggers and and and, you know, reduce the ability of how much they have an effect. They're just no longer there. They're just completely neutral. And so, yes, you can see compassion with the people who are in that. Attachment to the Yeah.
There's no charge. Attached to this. Yeah. You just it's just neutral ground. Yeah.
Yeah. And so you you do start to have a hold more compassion for the people that are in that because you're like, they're just in that state. They're not meaning to be no one wants to be in a reactive state. No one wants to be a a nasty person. But we're just operating from the tools and the software that we have playing out, Like you said, with the viruses that have, you know, contracted within our software.
So until we clean that up, then, you know, we're always going to be working from a compensated state. What would be one of the biggest transformations you've seen in someone that's come to see you? Oh, I got chills. I gosh. The women that have come, like, there's so many.
There is so many. Where do I start? From women to men to children, the tears swell up in my eyes. Like, the women that have tried to try to fall pregnant and seeing that they are able to do that. The women that have held such harsh relationships to themselves and their body and the judgment that they've hold, held to finally come to a space where they're healing that for themselves.
They're loving themselves genuinely and authentically and unapologetically. And the way that that shows up is the kindness and the softness they're allowing themselves to feel safe and in in, expressing. And with that, it's replicating in their relationships and they're trusting in themselves, which therefore they're trusting in people and allowing people in. And they're going for different areas of their life where they used to feel so resentful because they knew they were stunting their growth. They knew that they were resentful for not the environment, but for what they were allowing themselves to settle for within themselves.
And so there's children, like, they don't wanna be caught up in their stuff. And they're so like, they they're brilliant leaders because they're not concreted in their own stories. They're just, like, I just don't feel good. And, you know, the moment it comes up, they're great. They're free.
And then they're off to play again and and to see that. At a 70 year old man, and he went with the referral of his daughter who is a client, and this is not his way of approach to health. And as a as a man, he wants to find the solutions. He wants to be able to he can't utilize his brute strength or especially at 70 now, but his brute strength isn't going isn't supporting him in this. Money can't, you know, he can't pay he has to go down this route to understand what's going on and to see him break down to then have the awareness to then go home and connect with his wife, to then find the understanding of how it may have been for his family dynamic to then come back and be like, I really see that clearly now.
And for him to allow himself to not feel guilt over that, but that understanding connects him closer to his family, connects him closer to himself. Like, everyone gets positively affected. And that's the stuff that I'm like, holy shit. How lucky are we? Yeah.
I love that. I love that show. And it's the butterfly effect of the the people you're helping, but then in turn, they will get closer connections with their family, with their relationships, with their customers, with their in their day to day. And then that ripple effect onto becoming a better parent and having more patience and becoming that self worth. Right?
Then then it's passed into the generation. So this work is the every time we work on ourselves, we are supporting humanity. And it's such a freaking massive statement, but it's true. We are literally helping well beyond our scope of understanding. Well, if you can you can do anything that starts to send out a bit more kindness into the world, makes people a bit more ethical that they're they're actually looking out and trying to pay it forward.
I mean, there is only good that can come from that in my opinion. Yeah. Totally. That's that is very, very amazing. So I know that you actually work with people online and in person.
You can do it. You can do both. Is there a preference for one way or the other, or is it it honestly doesn't matter. It honestly doesn't matter because we are working with energy, and I know but I I love both. If you're based out in Perth or whenever I'm in your zone, definitely keep you in the loop.
However, you are getting the same effect because we are working with your energetic field, which is, you know, in your subconscious, and we're able to access you no matter where you are in the world, no matter what time zone you're in. In live time, it's like we're working with the speed of light because that's ultimately what we are, and we get to fine and understand what's going on for you. And and some people prefer it because if they're feeling in if they're, like, say, for instance, feeling anxious, aggravated, in an emotional state, physically, you know, incapacitated, being in the comfort of their own home is brilliant for them. They're just like, I can just, you know, perch it up, open my laptop, receive, have their releases in the comfort of my own home, and then close the laptop and just be with themselves. Other people prefer to be outside of their space and come and and drop into a new space where they feel held and then leave.
So it I love both. I do both. I love both, and I do both for myself and for, my clients. And, you know, it it's funny because with that and you you because you're talking the energy and everything, you're liking it to Wi Fi. You're liking it to the phone network.
Right? And things like that. So people you can't physically see a line between you and me right now. I'm in I'm in Queensland. You're in WA.
We're on opposite sides of the country, and we are connecting, and that's the same that's the same thing you're talking about. And you can get people online. I always used to wonder about whether, you know, you got a bit muddled when it came to the Wi Fi or the network for each other on your phone. I'm like, do are you getting all my energy? Are you getting other people's?
Are you getting the phone energy? But Sure. People Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I get what you're saying. No. And see, you know, like, I love that you said that. Like, so when even the look, we could open this right up. This could take it to another place.
But we'll keep we'll keep it in the the sphere of just one to one communication. Like, so when we are, even in person, working with energy that is holding stress, stress like anything that is overcharged, if we liken it to electricity, when the house or the, you know, something gets overcharged and the electrical, you know, current breaks for a moment, there's a there's too much of a charge. It breaks. We have to go to the mains, reset, start it back up. So why did I go there in this conversation right now is because that's basically what it's like.
We we are we are working in that framework of, yes, you can't see it, but it's very much alive within the the frequencies. So if we are finding that with in our online balances, there is distortion in the network, so, like, on our physical laptops and stuff like that, that's still data as well because we're understanding that the energy that's transferring through the Internet that we're holding might be too charged. So we have techniques to be able to support that. But, ultimately, everything is still data, and we still have access to you and what happens to you no matter where you are in the world. Everything is frequency.
Everything is frequency. Everything is frequency, people. So that's what I'm saying is and I say I say to my kids actually all the time, what you what you put out, you like, once you put that out, you can't take it back. So when they say negative words and they're fighting with each other, I'm like, you can't take that back. You may apologize, but you can't take it back.
So everything's frequency and that's gone out there now. So now you need to do a bit of work to do the positive to get it to get coming back. So, I use that the dualities. Yeah. I use that on them just to try and freak them out a little bit.
Well, Michelle, it's been an absolute pleasure. Now I know I recommend to anyone as I said, I'm a big kinesiology. I've been getting treated since I was wee young and I've seen firsthand what the are of just balancing your mind because I believe you've gotta work on yourself physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually and everything. So I I'm I'm a big believer on that holistic health. If if anyone's out there and they haven't even considered it or heard of it before I recommend going to Michelle's site.
We'll have the details down below and just reach out and if your aunt will just have a chat. Michelle's very approachable. She loves to have like and tell you like just how what could happen and what could be and that there'd be no obligation. So thank you so much for taking wash or or DM, however you prefer. DM.
The ripple effect of what you're doing is amazing, and you'll never actually know of the impact you're having because you only see one. But then it's the the ripple as well that you're putting out into the world and I'm all I'm all about paying it forward. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you.
Thank you for that. No. I appreciate