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NEW YORK, NEW YORK! It’s Episode 144 of THE PODCAST ON HAUNTED HILL, and we are headed to the BIG APPLE to discuss some MUTANTS! We are covering a couple of creature features with BASKET CASE (1982) and C.H.U.D. (1984)!!! We also discuss some spooky and slimy URBAN LEGENDS relating to NYC in our WORLD OF THE STRANGE segment, as well as lots of other shenanigans! So tune in, download, listen, like, comment, and share!! IT’S THE CITY THAT NEVER SLEEPS!!
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Gav and Dan lend their unique perspective to horror films and the world surrounding them. With Gav's unique perspective as a filmmaker and Dan's peculiar perspectives, The Podcast on Haunted Hill offers a fresh view of horror cinema!
Gav: The podcast on Haunted Hill will contain
Gav: spoilers and swearing.
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Gav: Hello and welcome to the podcast on Haunted
Gav: Hill, episode 144.
Dan: My name's Gav and my name's Dan.
Gav: Welcome, welcome, your guides through the
Gav: world of dirty, dingy, 80s New York's trash
Gav: and rats.
Gav: The segue straight away.
Gav: There we go.
Gav: Got rats in my loft.
Dan: There's not a goat man, that's what it is.
Dan: It's not a goat man, it's just a giant rat.
Gav: There's a lot of rats up there.
Gav: The other night it kept me awake.
Gav: It was like a party.
Gav: It was literally like there's a rat orgy.
Gav: I don't know.
Gav: I was like fuck's sake.
Dan: I'd hate to be involved in a rat orgy,
Dan: unless I was a rat, of course.
Gav: Well, it's just a regular orgy for anyone
Gav: else.
Gav: Really, whatever thing it is, you put orgy
Gav: to it, it is still what that is.
Gav: But multiple variations of that Dern things
Gav: and putting things where things sometimes
Gav: don't go and sometimes do go.
Dan: Wow, so we've kicked off with rat orgies.
Dan: This is great, but yes, you're right, new
Dan: York is full of rats and we're going to be
Dan: discussing New York a lot in this episode.
Gav: We could call it the episode rat orgies.
Dan: Rat orgies, there we go.
Gav: Will that be my punk trash, punk band?
Dan: Rat orgies that does sound like just rat
Dan: orgy would be the name.
Dan: Rat orgy.
Dan: Yeah, so for this episode, yes, we will be
Dan: traveling to New York in the early 80s and,
Dan: as you've seen, if you've clicked you know,
Dan: we will be covering basket case from 1982.
Dan: And chud from 1984.
Dan: Two films that, and we'll get into this,
Dan: but two films that kind of always sat out
Dan: on the shelves when I used to go in the in
Dan: the video store and you know the covers of
Dan: them and you'd wonder what it is about them.
Dan: Was it going to be?
Dan: They rely on some special effects or
Dan: practical effects.
Dan: So, yeah, we're going to be discussing
Dan: those.
Dan: They're our main reviews.
Dan: But we'll also be talking about New York,
Dan: the New York, the weird hot pot creativity
Dan: that is New York, especially in the early
Dan: 80s, and all the stuff that happened.
Dan: We'll talk about some films that you may
Dan: want to watch to get you in the mood, if
Dan: you like, your New York movies, your New
Dan: York horror movies and some some creature
Dan: stuff as well from this sort of period,
Dan: because this is, you know, before 85.
Dan: So it's that nice sweet spot between the
Dan: late 70s and early 80s and mid 80s where
Dan: people were just we talked about it before.
Dan: But you said you know the effects, guys,
Dan: with a rock stars at this point and you
Dan: know if you could pull off some great
Dan: effects you would get the ladies and the
Dan: cocaine.
Gav: Yes, especially 80s New York very much
Gav: crack and cocaine, crack and coke, crack
Gav: and coke baby yeah.
Gav: So that's what we're doing today Quite
Gav: interesting run, really Kind of.
Gav: We've delved into sort of New York type
Gav: films I've always liked.
Gav: For me, when I first got into hip Hipbitty
Gav: hop, new York was like you know where some
Gav: great hip hop was coming from, and it's
Gav: always like I've never been there.
Gav: I'd love to go there but, like you know,
Gav: beasties came from there and just so many
Gav: cool things.
Gav: Such a cultured place.
Dan: It is a hot pot.
Dan: I hate to use the term, but it is a hot pot.
Gav: And yeah, and certain movies and you know
Gav: the look of these movies we're looking at
Gav: today Kind of also like Driller, killer,
Gav: things like that.
Dan: Yeah, we'll get into all of that,
Dan: definitely.
Dan: I've been there twice, so I'd like to sort
Dan: of chair some of that as well.
Dan: But yeah, so before we, before we head over
Dan: to New York, how are you?
Dan: What have you been doing?
Dan: What are you doing?
Dan: What's going on in your life?
Gav: Not much the normal stuff really.
Gav: I was wondering still trying to do delge
Gav: into what Delge, delge, delge it's a new
Gav: word, new word what I should do for my
Gav: birthday.
Gav: I think you know episode and I still think
Gav: I will.
Gav: So I was watching just before I came on.
Gav: I think I might do it, it's that or
Gav: something else, but I'm not sure what.
Gav: I still think I'll do.
Gav: It should be Studio 6 at 6.
Gav: One thing I think I'm going to do I think
Gav: we'll go there.
Gav: I think, we'll do it, yep.
Dan: Are you making the decision live as we
Dan: record?
Gav: I think so, otherwise I won't commit to it.
Dan: Excellent.
Dan: So that's the sorcerer of William.
Dan: Friedkin, studio 6 at 6.
Gav: Older film yeah, so the sorcerer is going
Gav: to be a really good conversation and I'd
Gav: love to have done something like the Holy
Gav: Mountain, but those two are both fucking
Gav: deep movies.
Gav: Oh gosh, very heavy, heavy shit going on.
Gav: I don't especially Holy Mountain, so I've
Gav: picked something to go live and I thought
Gav: Studio 6 at 6, because it's also Netflix
Gav: recently, for I know UK, I presume
Gav: Stateside and the rest of the world as well,
Gav: so everyone can sort of watch it.
Gav: So it's always good for people, because
Gav: sorcerer is not going to be everyone's cup
Gav: of tea.
Dan: Yeah, cool, and it isn't about a sorcerer,
Dan: so I know I was kind of cussing.
Gav: Spoiler alert Because I thought it was
Gav: going to be, but yeah, it wasn't.
Gav: But it's actually kind of cool.
Gav: I did go to the cinema, though.
Gav: Ben and I went.
Gav: The other night we went and watched
Gav: Thanksgiving the Eli Roth Thanksgiving.
Dan: Oh right, please tell me.
Dan: This is the first time I'm hearing about
Dan: your views, and it tells me and our
Dan: listeners what you thought.
Dan: No spoilers, though.
Gav: No, I won't.
Gav: Well, it's funny because I was kind of like
Gav: actually, you know it's Eli Roth.
Gav: I've kind of not moaned about him before,
Gav: but he's kind of like Rob Zombie.
Gav: They can mimic Eli Roth.
Dan: They're buddies, aren't they?
Gav: Yeah, well, I expected it would hold Orders.
Gav: They could both really make a film.
Gav: They know how to make a movie and they both
Gav: absolutely adore and love horror.
Gav: And Eli's almost like a torch bearer in
Gav: certain aspects of horror, like doing his
Gav: own Eli's horror uncut show all over on AMC.
Gav: You know more.
Dan: Yeah, it's great show Eli Roth's history of
Dan: horror, yeah, stuff like that.
Gav: So he really, like torch bearer, is such a
Gav: real ambassador of horror and like all of a
Gav: sudden he starts off with cabin fever and I
Gav: was sort of premier in UK at the right
Gav: first and just like what the fuck is this?
Gav: This is great.
Gav: And he had a little video introduction and
Gav: straight away I was like this dude Love him.
Gav: I've never seen him before.
Gav: Then hostel and that's obviously torture
Gav: porn.
Gav: I almost opening up that into a very wide
Gav: market Doing that.
Dan: Yeah, that was the first real proper.
Gav: Yeah, and it's a great film, you can watch
Gav: it in my collection.
Gav: I'll watch it now and be like, yeah, good
Gav: film, and then obviously doing a couple of
Gav: bits of pop here and there, but then all of
Gav: a sudden like doing a cannibal movie which
Gav: is just like left field, because no one's
Gav: doing a cannibal movie the green inferno.
Dan: The green inferno for anyone who wants to
Dan: watch that.
Gav: And no one's asking for a cannibal movie,
Gav: but he did it and you're like, fair play
Gav: man, it's alright, it's okay if you into
Gav: cannibal movies, but it's like, yeah, fair
Gav: play man to you.
Gav: So I was kind of getting around to it in a
Gav: very long winded way.
Gav: I was kind of excited for this Because he's
Gav: looking to slash us and I know he's a
Gav: massive slasher fan of like pieces and
Gav: movies like this, so I kind of did enjoy it.
Gav: I didn't bother seeing anything or reading
Gav: anything, apart from the original
Gav: Grindhouse 2007 Grindhouse trailer and if
Gav: you don't know what that is, that is when
Gav: Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez both made
Gav: two films and put them together as a
Gav: package and it flopped, unfortunately, as a
Gav: double package.
Gav: I've got a blue rail of it as a whole
Gav: massive thing with all the fake traders,
Gav: and there's these fake traders by different
Gav: people, and Edgar Rye, rob Zombie and Ilo
Gav: Roth did one called Thanksgiving and that
Gav: trailer had a lady coming down doing the
Gav: splits on the trampoline and the knife
Gav: going into her.
Dan: Into her.
Gav: Yep Beans are being in there a minute.
Gav: I've got my dog with me today.
Dan: Yeah, don't whistle.
Dan: Sorry, I won't whistle again.
Gav: Yeah, it'll be like what?
Gav: No, bro, it's too hot, it's too hot, it's
Gav: tired, I'll be sleeping and that is.
Gav: But there was a girl on trampoline but they
Gav: did the knife, but they didn't do that at
Gav: all and they shied away and it's like
Gav: that's a shame.
Gav: But, there was some real good gory depths.
Gav: I wanted more gore.
Gav: I don't know what it says about me.
Gav: I wanted more because he was doing like a
Gav: love letter to 80s movies and there's zero
Gav: tension, not one bit of tension, which was
Gav: kind of a shame, but it's kind of like,
Gav: well, what was he making?
Gav: Like he did the Cannibal movie.
Gav: He was making one of those Cannibal movies.
Gav: This movie was him making like an 80s
Gav: slasher movie, coming from this ridiculous
Gav: kind of grindhouse trailer.
Gav: So I can't expect a masterpiece of cinema
Gav: which is going to history of 10 greatest
Gav: movies of all time, but like it felt like
Gav: almost a shame that he couldn't have done a
Gav: bit more tension to it and actually pushed
Gav: that a little bit further.
Gav: Do you know what I mean?
Gav: He was?
Dan: there.
Gav: I think he was on the wall when he could
Gav: have just gone a little bit further and be
Gav: like whoa this is a good movie when you've
Gav: got it, it's fine.
Dan: When you've got directors making things
Dan: like Bone, tomahawk, dried to Cross,
Dan: concrete, that director I can't remember
Dan: his name now off the top of my head People
Dan: can push it and those films do do.
Dan: Well, they might not make a huge commercial
Dan: amount of money, but they're great films
Dan: and you can make very violent and I'm not
Dan: saying we're a kind of classic, yeah,
Dan: exactly.
Dan: But you can make a really gory X, an old
Dan: school X rated film if you want.
Dan: And my prediction when we discuss this in
Dan: the last episode, when this film was about
Dan: to come out my prediction was from reading
Dan: the early reviews is that you and I and
Dan: other horror fans would probably like this,
Dan: but it probably won't be gory enough for us.
Gav: But it'll be a nice little 90 minutes where
Gav: you can just watch it and whereas I think
Gav: people who aren't seasoned horror fans will
Gav: probably think it is quite gory, oh yeah of
Gav: course there's a couple of old people there,
Gav: which is amazing, but one of the old guys
Gav: actually got up halfway through, went over
Gav: to a woman who must have been using her
Gav: phone, and then she's having words of her,
Gav: and then she's like oh no, no, no, no, no
Gav: no, then another woman, her, his wife, must
Gav: have been went over and they're quite old.
Gav: And Ben was clapping.
Dan: Nice.
Gav: Because Ben, who I was with, obviously you
Gav: know Ben from who filmed Sanctuary Me,
Gav: which I hope everybody's watching now
Gav: Stoller, Sanctuary Me and Deb Bolt YouTube.
Gav: Go and check it out.
Dan: Just over 9000 views as we speak.
Dan: Keep watching it.
Dan: Remember people.
Gav: He was the one who was in the cinema at the
Gav: time and ended up having a fight with
Gav: someone because their phone was on.
Gav: I think I said it on here before.
Gav: Possibly he was in the cinema once
Gav: Someone's looking at her phone.
Gav: It pissed him off so much he went over and
Gav: he took their phone and put it in their
Gav: drink.
Dan: Oh my god.
Gav: So he started having a punch up with the
Gav: guy and he dragged him out of the cinema
Gav: screen and then came back and sat down and
Gav: watched the rest of the movie.
Dan: I mean, I've had words with people, I've
Dan: had arguments with people.
Dan: I couldn't do that.
Gav: I've had a fuck with you.
Dan: I remember watching Jason X with my friend
Dan: Rob.
Dan: You know, rob, and there were some kids in
Dan: there that were talking all the way through
Dan: it and, although it's just a Jason movie, I
Dan: went over to them and I said, right, are
Dan: you all going to give me my money back?
Dan: And they looked at me and I said are you
Dan: all going to give me my money back?
Dan: And they said what do you mean?
Dan: I said, well, we've all paid to watch this
Dan: film, but all I'm hearing is you guys
Dan: talking.
Dan: So no, you should prepare to give me my
Dan: money back.
Dan: Shut the fuck up and let us, the rest of us
Dan: in here Enjoy it.
Dan: And I got a bit of a clap from three or
Dan: four people in there and Rob hated it.
Dan: He turned into a turtle.
Dan: He put his head down into his shirt.
Dan: He's like why did you do that?
Dan: I said because I'm sorry.
Dan: I was trying to enjoy this film and I got
Dan: these dickheads chatting away and another
Dan: guy I remember another film I was in a guy
Dan: was using his phone and listening to music
Dan: and then he lit a cigarette.
Dan: And that was the point.
Dan: I stood up and I went.
Dan: I think I knocked the cigarette before he
Dan: lit it out of his hand and I said are you
Dan: seriously about to light a cigarette?
Dan: I don't care if you smoke, I'm not opposed
Dan: to smoking, but we're in a cinema.
Dan: I've had to listen to your music playing
Dan: off your phone.
Dan: What are you thinking?
Dan: And I was like no, no, he was like a young
Dan: lad.
Dan: He thought he was a bit of a gangster
Dan: outside him and his mates came over and
Dan: tried to have a word with me and I just
Dan: said I can't remember what he said.
Dan: Now I was younger.
Dan: I just said shut up or something you know,
Dan: get out of my face.
Gav: They're noisy now guys.
Dan: These days they would sadly.
Dan: Or if it was in America.
Dan: You know that guy in the Batman film.
Gav: Nice to get and film it yeah.
Dan: Put it on TikTok.
Gav: Anyway.
Gav: So Thanksgiving, yeah, I wish it had been
Gav: more tension.
Gav: I feel like it outlived it's welcome a
Gav: little bit, but at the same time I was
Gav: happy to go to the cinema as a horror fan
Gav: who loves slasher movies to watch
Gav: Thanksgiving.
Gav: But it's not like April Fool's Day or
Gav: Halloween or Friday 15th.
Gav: It was a themed movie and I'm kind of
Gav: hoping there isn't a part two, because
Gav: there's no fucking need to be one.
Gav: It should just be a one and done, and that
Gav: is it.
Gav: If it, I don't know if it done well, fair
Gav: play.
Dan: I hope not.
Dan: He doesn't really Fair play done in cinema.
Gav: But he has got some help with his name.
Dan: He doesn't tend to do many sequels I mean
Dan: Hostel 2 and Hostel 3, but he was only
Dan: really a producer on those and then Cabin
Dan: Fever got two sequels and then, weirdly,
Dan: they remade Cabin Fever Like only five
Dan: years after it came out, which I don't
Dan: think I've seen the remake.
Gav: I think a remade, actually Eli's exact
Gav: script.
Trailer Voice: It's very strange.
Gav: But after there was a remake or something I
Gav: can't remember.
Dan: So I'm a fan of Eli Roth, as you know, for
Dan: the most part.
Gav: That's Toy West, you realize yes that's
Gav: right.
Gav: And he's tried to have his name taken off
Gav: it.
Dan: And he can't do it Hilarious.
Dan: Well, I link in that director to another
Dan: director that I'm a bit of a fan of and a
Dan: lot of people think he's a bit up his own
Dan: arse, but I don't mind.
Dan: Is Kevin Smith and I watched finally.
Dan: Only came out last year, but I finally got
Dan: around to watching Clerks 3.
Dan: I don't know if you've seen Clerks 3.
Gav: No.
Dan: Okay, really.
Gav: I don't actually.
Gav: Is it a new thing?
Dan: Yeah, 22, 2022.
Dan: Oh, no, no, no, yeah.
Dan: So I only just watched it last week and I
Dan: was really, really into it.
Dan: And yes, it is a very self-referential, as
Dan: all of Kevin Smith movies are, but I know
Dan: that and that's why I kind of like them.
Dan: And this film is about Dante having a heart
Dan: attack, just like Kevin Smith did.
Dan: This is why he wrote it, because it's all
Dan: about having a heart attack and reviewing
Dan: your life and sort of thinking, shit, what
Dan: am I doing?
Dan: And then Dante and I can't remember his
Dan: friend's name now, the other one, the
Dan: goatee they end up they're going to make a
Dan: movie about what it's like to be working in
Dan: the Clerks shop, you know, and it's kind of
Dan: very self-referential, but it's good and it
Dan: had me crying at the end with some stuff
Dan: that happens and it's definitely the end of
Dan: those Clerks movies.
Dan: And I love Kevin Smith.
Dan: People often slay him, but I think when he
Dan: first came out he was like so cutting edge
Dan: and his writing is incredible and maybe he
Dan: lost his way a little bit somewhere in the
Dan: middle, but I'll always go for him.
Dan: So, a bit like Eli Roth, I will always
Dan: check out anything Eli and Kevin Smith do.
Dan: I do like those guys.
Dan: So, yeah, I just wanted to mention Clerks 3
Dan: I thought that was a really good movie the
Dan: only other movie I've watched really it's
Dan: worth mentioning.
Dan: Don't know if you've heard of this.
Dan: It came out in 1982.
Dan: It's a bit of an old one, but I sat down
Dan: and watched the film by a director, but
Dan: what's his name?
Dan: John Carpenter.
Dan: Yeah, the Thing.
Dan: Have you seen the Thing, gav?
Gav: Not seen it.
Gav: What's it about?
Dan: Not heard of that one.
Dan: Yeah, I was a bit boring, to be honest.
Gav: No, I'm what's it about?
Dan: It's about an alien.
Dan: Now, I'm, of course, joking.
Dan: It's a 10 out of 10 film and I've
Dan: re-watched it because it's been about a
Dan: year probably since I've watched it.
Dan: And all I'll say is because we've all
Dan: reviewed it and everybody knows what the
Dan: Thing is.
Dan: But that film, honestly, honestly, it gets
Dan: better, and the more I watch it, the more I
Dan: realise just how perfect that film is
Dan: really.
Dan: Okay, yes, it has flaws, only because it's
Dan: aging and some of the effects don't hold up
Dan: quite as well.
Dan: But at the same time, no one was doing
Dan: anything like that in 1982.
Dan: And the story, the characters, the acting,
Dan: it's just.
Dan: I just get sucked into that word within two
Dan: minutes of the credits rolling.
Dan: And man, it's just, the weather's turned
Dan: and it's one of those films you put on when
Dan: it's a bit snowy or a bit cold.
Dan: I just wanted to mention it because you
Dan: know we love it.
Dan: Yeah, that's what I mean.
Dan: We love it.
Gav: Yeah, cool.
Gav: I've actually put up my Christmas tree
Gav: already and the weather has turned.
Gav: It's really cold.
Gav: I'm in my dressing gown Quite often.
Gav: I'm here at the top list Not that the
Gav: listeners can see these things In the
Gav: summertime, but I thought I'm going to go.
Gav: Well, I class this.
Gav: You have to, because we've got Pink Light
Gav: on the cardigan.
Gav: Sorry, dressing gown.
Dan: You look just like him.
Gav: Yeah, I did, do I.
Dan: No.
Gav: He's dead, isn't he?
Gav: Yes?
Dan: That's the only couple of movies I wanted
Dan: to talk about Other than Thanksgiving.
Dan: Is there anything else you've watched or
Dan: you wanted to talk about?
Gav: Not really, and we recorded, oh my God,
Gav: only last week.
Gav: So, yeah, there's you know.
Gav: Yeah, I'm happy to get the fuck into it.
Dan: Well, let's get into New York.
Dan: So before we have our first trailer and
Dan: we're going to talk about Basket Case first
Dan: of all just wanted to talk around New York,
Dan: specifically New York in the early 80s, and
Dan: then I've got a few recommendations for New
Dan: York set horror films and early 80s
Dan: creature features for anybody who wants to
Dan: get a taste of Basket, case and Shard, and
Dan: if you like those movies and you want some
Dan: recommendations and you probably would have
Dan: seen a lot of these anyway.
Dan: But but first of all let's talk about New
Dan: New York.
Dan: Can you do your New York accent please?
Dan: Go New York.
Dan: Can you say can you give me that coffee
Dan: please?
Gav: Give me that coffee.
Gav: Wow, hey, give me that coffee.
Gav: It doesn't even sound like New York.
Gav: Sounds like I was trying to get more urban
Gav: or something.
Gav: I'm walking here hey.
Dan: They're all just walking.
Trailer Voice: Yeah, you guys, I always go a bit, I always
Trailer Voice: go a bit.
Dan: Italian, Italian Mafioso, with my New York
Dan: accent really, or I go quite Jewish.
Dan: It's one of the two.
Dan: It's hard to do.
Gav: I can't see.
Gav: This is the thing.
Gav: I can't just be like performing monkey with
Gav: me impressions.
Gav: I need to like watch something, and then
Gav: what I do?
Gav: I'm like a parrot I watch and I'll just
Gav: start working it, and working it, and
Gav: working it, and then I'll get exact sort of
Gav: tone and the reflection and stuff.
Gav: I can't, but I can't throw it in like I'm a
Gav: dancing fucking monkey.
Dan: Oh well, you'll always be a dancing monkey
Dan: to me.
Dan: Well, let's talk about New York first of
Dan: all, just very briefly.
Dan: So in late seventies, as covered in Gav's
Dan: other podcast, you had quite a lot going on
Dan: in New York.
Dan: In the late seventies you had the summer of
Dan: Sam, or the son of Sam.
Dan: You had all the blackouts, you had rat
Dan: infestations, trash strikes, riots, murder.
Dan: You had the guardian angels, vigilantes.
Dan: So New York is literally it's like you
Dan: couldn't write it really and some of the
Dan: movies that came out, like Warriors and
Dan: stuff like that, they are all sort of.
Dan: There is a little bit of truth to some of
Dan: these movies in some ways, but obviously,
Dan: if you want to do, check that episode out.
Gav: It's episode 66 of the hottest, strangest
Gav: podcast.
Gav: Even if you know all this to any of the
Gav: other ones, check that episode out.
Gav: We sort of really went in and talked about
Gav: the whole trash thing stuff.
Gav: We're going in looking at the seventies
Gav: with son of Sam and killer and stuff where
Gav: the movies today and the crack and the coke
Gav: and a lot of the things did still carry on
Gav: flowing through a lot of trash problems and
Gav: stuff like that.
Gav: So obviously just one of those things into
Gav: the eighties, but that episode's on the
Gav: seventies, if you want to check that out.
Gav: Of all New York and the weird stuff going
Gav: on and the killings and the shit like that
Gav: and the guardian angels and, like you say,
Gav: all that stuff did sort of spill over into
Gav: the eighties.
Gav: Well, what you're going to end up having is
Gav: just I'm not saying it, possibly and
Gav: possibly not the CIA bringing crack and
Gav: coke into New York and just dropping it
Gav: into the areas where they'd already been,
Gav: like no, we don't want to go there.
Gav: You police it yourselves with all the
Gav: gangsters and all that shit, and just it
Gav: just then went.
Gav: But then you also had the Wall Street boom
Gav: as well, and then the cocaine involved with
Gav: that.
Gav: Just watched Wall Street with Charlie Sheen.
Gav: So it's a weird time.
Gav: Seventies and eighties in New York Very
Gav: strange time.
Gav: And then.
Gav: So we had movies like this.
Gav: What we've got coming out?
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: And so to paint a picture of New York
Dan: itself before we look into horror films and
Dan: stuff, new York in the very early eight to
Dan: mid eighties it was just so there's a lot
Dan: of originality and creativity come out of
Dan: it.
Dan: Hip hop although hip hop was born in the
Dan: late seventies really came out proper.
Dan: You had run DMC Beastie Boys, you had Big
Dan: Daddy Kane, you had Rackim and Eric B, you
Dan: had.
Dan: Hip hop was really becoming this
Dan: underground creative platform.
Dan: The fashion, you know the slang, the way
Dan: people spoke, rap, the DJ, all that stuff
Dan: you had and sadly, some linked into that.
Dan: You also had a bit of a crack epidemic that
Dan: was still spilling over.
Dan: Aids was reported for the first time in the
Dan: very in like in 1980, 81.
Dan: And that was a big thing because everyone
Dan: was quite free with their sex until AIDS
Dan: came on Almost on a reckless sort of time
Dan: as well.
Dan: Yeah.
Gav: When the knowledge about starting around of
Gav: AIDS is still being slightly reckless at
Gav: time.
Dan: Well, I think the word I would use, gav, is
Dan: excess.
Dan: There was a lot of excess and there was
Dan: another.
Dan: You can look at yuppies, because the yuppie
Dan: culture came out of the early eighties
Dan: Cocaine, having money, driving around in
Dan: sports cars so there was a real divide
Dan: between the poor and the rich.
Dan: There was a lot of urban legends, which we
Dan: may or may not get into for word, of the
Dan: strange as well, because New York is a big,
Dan: very vast city with a lot of people living
Dan: there of all types of life, all backgrounds,
Dan: religions, colors, creeds, sexes, and you
Dan: can be a very rich man, like Donald Trump
Dan: was, you know, living in New York, or you
Dan: can be an underground rapper who's got no
Dan: money, but everyone in your hood respects
Dan: you because you're well known and then
Dan: there's or be someone who actually lives
Dan: underground, and there was.
Gav: Doc Day, a really good documentary, a music
Gav: by DJ Shadow about the people who lived
Gav: underneath the New York yeah, actually
Gav: underground, which is cheaper, and they
Gav: felt safer and they made a little city
Gav: under New York, which is crazy.
Dan: And that's what I find so fascinating about
Dan: New York is literally from underground all
Dan: the way to the very high skyscraper.
Dan: There's so much activity and it really is a
Dan: city that doesn't sleep.
Dan: Like I said, I've been there twice.
Dan: I went there exactly one month after 9-11
Dan: happened.
Dan: Sadly, we wouldn't have gone really had we
Dan: been able to cancel all our holiday, but we
Dan: wouldn't have lost a lot of money had we
Dan: done that.
Gav: So we still went.
Gav: I had two different groups of friends that
Gav: were at New York and I live in from Farnham,
Gav: oh right and they were in their windows
Gav: watching it.
Dan: Yeah, I spoke to a guy.
Dan: It's crazy.
Dan: I may or may not have bought some weed from
Dan: a guy in Washington Park, which is very
Dan: near where the trade centers were, and I
Dan: asked him what happened on the day and he
Dan: said he was smoking a big joint and he saw
Dan: the first plane hit and sat down, finished
Dan: the joint, and then the other plane hit and
Dan: he put the joint.
Dan: He said he'd almost finished the joint.
Dan: The second plane hit, he put the joint down
Dan: and he thought and he didn't smoke for
Dan: about a week after that.
Dan: He couldn't quite get his head around what
Dan: he'd just seen and it was a very eerie time
Dan: to go there.
Dan: It was still smoking.
Dan: Actually four weeks after there was still
Dan: smoke coming off of the ground zero.
Dan: It was crazy.
Dan: So I went there then.
Dan: But then I also took Alice there, about 11
Dan: years ago now, one of our first holidays
Dan: together.
Dan: I came into a very small amount of money,
Dan: nothing to write home about, and I was able
Dan: to treat Alice to a really lovely holiday
Dan: in New York for a week and we went there
Dan: then and we experienced what I would say
Dan: real New York very lots going on 24, seven,
Dan: those fires and those fire, engines
Dan: whizzing past, people chatting, industry,
Dan: everyone's got energy and excited and it's
Dan: also a little bit dangerous.
Dan: But also, you know, it's just all going on
Dan: there and it's a great city to visit.
Dan: Just be.
Dan: I would say, be careful that obviously with
Dan: any big city there are areas you probably
Dan: wouldn't want to go into and you would want
Dan: to stick to the mainly the touristy bits.
Dan: But it is a great, great city and it was
Dan: fantastic to be there and see things like
Dan: Statue of Liberty and all these monuments
Dan: and areas that you've seen so many films,
Dan: you know going to Central Park.
Dan: How many movies have been set there?
Dan: You know Highlander, ghostbusters, so many.
Dan: But it's a great city and obviously another
Dan: reason I loved it was, like you said, gav,
Dan: new York hip hop was kind of born there
Dan: really, so it was great to sort of see all
Dan: that and the murals.
Gav: It's a very good skateboard scene as well.
Dan: Yeah, it's.
Dan: I mean, there's honestly a scene, whatever
Dan: you're into there's a scene for it there as
Dan: well.
Gav: Yeah, on six.
Gav: It's all there, yeah.
Dan: All right, cool.
Dan: So that's New York.
Dan: So let's talk about some horror movies that
Dan: are set in New York, just briefly, and
Dan: we've covered some of these already.
Dan: Some of these we haven't, but there's some
Dan: quite famous ones, like King Kong and all
Dan: of its remakes, you know, obviously, ending
Dan: on the Empire State Building, you don't get
Dan: much more famous shot than that, really, of
Dan: King Kong himself, even movies like Rory's
Dan: and Rory's Baby.
Dan: You've got Sisters Driller Killer, which
Dan: Gav mentioned, cruising, which you watched
Dan: recently with Sarah I did, and that was an
Dan: experience.
Dan: Yeah, the Ghostbusters 1 and 2.
Gav: You know, I think you always said Sarah
Gav: says why did I pick this for my birthday
Gav: episode?
Gav: Why?
Dan: Why American Psycho is obviously set there
Dan: and that is that yuppie culture.
Dan: We were talking about Wolfen, you know that
Dan: kind of comes into the.
Gav: I like Wolfen.
Dan: Yeah, and that falls into the category of
Dan: like basket case chard of a really gritty.
Gav: We covered it, didn't we?
Dan: Did we cover it?
Dan: I don't think we did.
Gav: No, we didn't.
Gav: We should do, though.
Gav: Yeah, I wouldn't mind covering that.
Dan: Yeah, Even the first Howling movie, the
Dan: majority of that is set in New York as well.
Dan: There are so many movies that are set there.
Dan: The Sentinel Jason takes Manhattan,
Dan: although it's only the last five minutes of
Dan: that, Ray shows up in Manhattan.
Dan: I'm pretty sure it was filmed in like
Dan: Canada or somewhere.
Dan: I think it was in Vancouver, I think you're
Dan: right.
Dan: Cloverfield Godzilla, you know, the one
Dan: that we like, the 90s Godzilla.
Dan: So there's a ton of.
Dan: Is there ever been a Godzilla?
Dan: No, but there should be, right, A fish
Dan: movie.
Dan: Yeah, yeah, there should be.
Dan: So there is a lot of horror movies set in
Dan: New York.
Dan: There's a lot of movies, obviously, but
Dan: horror movies specifically.
Dan: But let's move slightly adjacent to that
Dan: and talk about this era or era of horror.
Dan: So the very early 80s where, like I said to
Dan: you, the effects guys were the rock stars
Dan: Now, I've already talked about the thing
Dan: you know from 1982, but it was.
Dan: There was just this thing happening in
Dan: horror in the very early 80s.
Gav: The thing Rob Bould, rob Bould, heane as
Gav: effects is a little bit higher than these.
Dan: No yes, of course Okay, but I'm just
Dan: talking about creature feature effects,
Dan: horror movies like the Blob, yep, the
Dan: remake of the Blob.
Gav: The Blob is amazing.
Gav: The remake of the Blob.
Dan: Gremlins came out around this time as well,
Dan: you know, and that was really pushing.
Dan: You know the effects, boundaries, you know
Dan: the stuff which we've covered as well, even
Dan: critters In the early to mid-80s.
Dan: A lot of the more successful, whether on
Dan: VHS or whether at the cinema.
Dan: A lot of the more successful horror movies
Dan: were creature films, like the Fly, anything
Dan: with special effects on it, predator,
Dan: pumpkin Head.
Dan: There's a ton of them really and it's a I
Dan: would highly recommend and probably say
Dan: that anything from 1980 to 85, the effects
Dan: are going to be practical and they're going
Dan: to be some pushing boundaries.
Dan: They're competing with each other, so
Dan: they're going to probably show you
Dan: something you've not seen before.
Dan: Or try and do something Doesn't always work,
Dan: but try and do something you've never quite
Dan: seen before.
Dan: My last thing I'm going to say before we go
Dan: into our trailer is and although Wolfen and
Dan: Parts of the Howling was set in New York
Dan: because New York is like this urban jungle,
Dan: this concrete jungle you've never had a
Dan: proper werewolf movie set there.
Dan: How good would a werewolf movie be in New
Dan: York?
Dan: You know Central Park, running around all
Dan: the buildings at night.
Gav: Yeah, because Wolfen kind of allures to
Gav: that in a way.
Gav: Yeah, totally.
Dan: What about an English werewolf in New York?
Dan: What about if someone was to remake that?
Dan: It will not remake it, but like do a late
Dan: sequel.
Gav: Uh, I don't know.
Dan: What about Sting's?
Dan: I'm an alien in New York If.
Gav: Sting could be a werewolf.
Dan: Yes, in New York, that'd be a bit shit
Dan: there, I'm a werewolf.
Dan: He's a bit shit there.
Dan: You know I'm a werewolf.
Dan: Sadly one of the only sadly one of the only
Dan: vampire films really that happens in New
Dan: York is one that I know that you're not a
Dan: fan of, and that's Eddie Murphy's Vampire
Dan: in Brooklyn.
Gav: I'm not gonna say like I'm not a fan, like
Gav: explicitly, like walking down the street
Gav: with a fucking board saying I'm not a fan
Gav: of Vampire in Brooklyn, like I don't know.
Gav: I'm not gonna jump out saying that I'm a
Gav: fan either.
Gav: I don't remember it, but I don't remember
Gav: it being good.
Gav: I only watched it once.
Gav: It's not that great.
Gav: It's one of those times back in the day
Gav: when, before boys and girls, before the
Gav: internet and all that shit, when you have a
Gav: girlfriend, what should we do?
Gav: Should we go get a movie?
Gav: Should we get a sp it's something to do.
Gav: Wanted to the video shop, spend some time,
Gav: bring it back, put it on.
Gav: I hope it's not a shit.
Gav: Vampire in Brooklyn, just don't remember.
Gav: It's not that good.
Dan: But there we go, guys.
Dan: So that is a taste of what New York is all
Dan: about at this time, and I want to say that
Dan: I'm and also the sort of horror movies that
Dan: we're out and about.
Dan: So Large apples, the big old, the big old
Dan: apple, the city, so nice, they named it
Dan: twice.
Dan: So, yeah, bear all of that in mind when we
Dan: talk about Basket Case and Chud, Because
Dan: they both sort of allude to especially Chud,
Dan: some urban legends and stuff.
Dan: So but before we go to Chud, we're gonna
Dan: talk about Basket Case and not the song by
Dan: Green Day, which is a great song, by the
Dan: way.
Dan: You know the song there.
Dan: You go yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah of course, do
Dan: you have the time to listen to me?
Gav: Great song.
Gav: Yeah, we're going to do that, because then
Gav: we'll start singing.
Dan: So no like on the last episode where we
Dan: can't be saying thanks to Rachel for that.
Dan: We ended up singing Postman Pan is Black
Dan: and White Cat the five times Yep.
Dan: Thank you for your feedback, rachel.
Dan: I'm glad you enjoyed that episode, by the
Dan: way.
Dan: Yes, all right.
Dan: Well, that's New York.
Dan: That's horror movies in the early 80s.
Dan: Should we take a little break and have a
Dan: trailer for the older?
Gav: Basket Case.
Gav: Okay, yeah, here's the trailer.
Trailer Voice: What is the secret Dwayne is hiding in the
Trailer Voice: basket.
Trailer Voice: What's in the basket?
Trailer Voice: Easter eggs?
Trailer Voice: What's in the basket?
Trailer Voice: Clothes.
Gav: What's in the basket?
Trailer Voice: What's in the basket I've found it.
Trailer Voice: What's in the basket?
Trailer Voice: Open it, if you dare.
Trailer Voice: Basket Case.
Dan: Okay, so our first film of the episode is
Dan: Basket Case from 1982.
Dan: It's only an hour and 30 minutes, wasn't
Dan: rated at the time it came out.
Dan: Here's the synopsis A young man carrying a
Dan: big basket that contains his extremely
Dan: deformed, formerly conjoined twin brother
Dan: seeks vengeance on the doctors who
Dan: separated them against their will.
Dan: Directed by Frank Hennan-Lotter, who I
Dan: think also did Frank and Hooker and a
Dan: couple of other movies with a similar style,
Dan: that's another 80s New York movie.
Dan: So with this one, with this movie, this was
Dan: one of those ones, like I mentioned earlier,
Dan: where I walk into the video store and I'd
Dan: see Basket Case and you'd see the eyes
Dan: peeking out of the basket on the front and
Dan: you think what is this about?
Dan: And you read the back, you know, and that's
Dan: an opposite.
Dan: I've just read out.
Dan: You want to see it as a kid.
Dan: You want to see this deformed creature
Dan: living in a basket.
Dan: You know you didn't want to see it.
Dan: Don't show him.
Gav: I'm going to the video shop and like, in a
Gav: way, you did have a lot of horror titles
Gav: when the boom of VHS came out.
Gav: At the same time you didn't have a huge
Gav: range, if that makes sense as well.
Gav: And I don't know the mutant type subgenre
Gav: I've never been a fan of.
Gav: Really I don't want to see like groves.
Dan: Yeah.
Trailer Voice: I mean you're not fully in.
Trailer Voice: Yeah, you're not.
Dan: I know I'm body horror.
Dan: Yeah, I was going to say, and I think the
Dan: same with Chud, really Chud's front cover,
Dan: American Werewolf.
Dan: In London, you know there's a lot of horror
Dan: movie covers that stood out when you're
Dan: looking around the shelves.
Dan: I used to read the back of this box all the
Dan: time and I didn't probably see it until
Dan: probably when I was in my 15 or 16.
Gav: I did watch this a few times when I was
Gav: younger, did you?
Dan: Well, what I would say is it's a very, very,
Dan: very, very low budget film.
Dan: They do very well with what they've got.
Dan: There are some.
Gav: There's one scene.
Gav: Later on we get to and I'll say about now.
Gav: He goes to visit a vet with his basket and
Gav: he turns up and he's like hello, I'm here
Gav: with my cat and she's like, okay, come in.
Gav: Okay, he goes into the river and then she's
Gav: like he's like, actually, it's not my cat,
Gav: life brought here for you to see.
Gav: Oh, what is it?
Gav: At that point I expected him to get his
Gav: cock out and it to be porn.
Gav: It was like this has to be porn.
Gav: The act was so wooden.
Gav: It was like this is almost out of boogie
Gav: nice.
Gav: It was like what the fuck?
Gav: It was funny.
Gav: It was funny as fuck in a very sweet way.
Dan: Well, they were working with barely a
Dan: budget.
Dan: Apparently, the amount of money he's got he
Dan: carrying around with him in his hotel room
Dan: in the scenes, that was the actual budget
Dan: for the film.
Gav: Amazing, probably about you know, less than
Gav: $10,000.
Gav: So they had to film those shots first then,
Gav: otherwise they wouldn't have had the money
Gav: later on.
Dan: And then go out and spend the money on
Dan: everything.
Dan: It's so funny and it does feel like this
Dan: could.
Dan: This is like a more sinister version of a
Dan: trauma film.
Dan: Do you know what I mean?
Dan: There's and it does deal with some not
Dan: tough subject matter, because it's quite
Dan: unbelievable at times.
Dan: But also we have heard of stories of
Dan: conjoined twins and people who've got their
Dan: twin inside them, and we've recently had
Dan: that movie, malignant with conjoined twins
Dan: and stuff.
Dan: So that's kind of something that fastened,
Dan: always fascinated me anyway.
Gav: Really, it's a fairly unusual subject.
Gav: You have, of course, have twins now they're
Gav: not conjoined.
Dan: They're not conjoined, they're not part of
Dan: me.
Gav: Sometimes you're probably like I wish you
Gav: both were conjoined, because then you
Gav: wouldn't be like I wouldn't be able to look
Gav: over there.
Gav: Then what if you run over there?
Gav: You'd be in the same spot the whole time.
Dan: Yeah, but one of them runs in one direction
Dan: and the other does the other.
Dan: That's fine.
Dan: Some of this film can be quite harrowing,
Dan: especially with the stuff when he's younger
Dan: and he's having the operation and there's a
Dan: lot of screaming and stuff Like my wife
Dan: kept popping her head back in the room.
Dan: It's been screaming for ages.
Gav: I watched it earlier and I've got the dog
Gav: with me like I said earlier, old beansie
Gav: and at one point a lady started screaming
Gav: and I had to turn it down about five
Gav: decibels and the order controller because
Gav: the dog was not liking it and I was like
Gav: fuck me, that is loud and long.
Dan: But it's a great idea.
Dan: And the idea came about because the writer
Dan: thought of the phrase basket case and
Dan: thought well, what would that be like as a
Dan: horror film if someone had a basket with
Dan: something in it?
Dan: And then he came up with a whole conjoined
Dan: twin thing.
Gav: Yeah, I assumed it came out.
Gav: I was thinking about it as we watched it,
Gav: like oh, they came up with it first because
Gav: basket case was like a saying as such.
Dan: Yeah, Now I do think that this film has a
Dan: great plot and you're probably not going to
Dan: think that, but the acting obviously
Dan: doesn't always stand up very well.
Dan: But I do think it's a great story in that
Dan: it's a revenge film about a guy and we're
Dan: going to spoil this obviously off the bat,
Dan: but we'll get into the story properly in a
Dan: minute.
Dan: But it's a revenge film about a guy who
Dan: used to have a conjoined twin.
Dan: He was forced to have that twin removed
Dan: from him.
Dan: The twin didn't die.
Dan: He keeps it a basket and they go around
Dan: hunting down the doctors that did this to
Dan: them.
Gav: It's quite dark, it sounds like a
Gav: Cronenberg movie.
Gav: Maybe Cronenberg should like remake it.
Gav: If Cronenberg and I'm not watching that and
Gav: Sarah be all over it.
Dan: And what's the?
Dan: Is it Lloyd Kaufman from Troma?
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: If him and Cronenberg sat together, got
Dan: drunk in the early 80s, this would be what
Dan: they came up with.
Gav: Oh my God, what sort of a love child for
Gav: film would that be?
Dan: There'd be a lot of New York cocaine in it
Dan: as well, which I should imagine there was
Dan: in this behind the scenes on this.
Dan: That's probably where a lot of that budget
Dan: went.
Dan: In fact, some of those notes were rolled up,
Dan: so that wouldn't be surprised me, no, okay,
Dan: well, let's, let's get into it.
Dan: So we start off with Dwayne, our hero, if
Dan: you will, played by Kevin van Hettenreich.
Dan: He has got Brian Mayhair.
Dan: His hair is pretty big, isn't it?
Dan: Garth Huge.
Gav: Goddamn this movie, like at times I was
Gav: just like trying to just watch the film and
Gav: it just doesn't matter what was on the
Gav: screen, any dialogue, it could be the
Gav: fucking, the most magical words you only
Gav: hear and you could die like then and be
Gav: happy with eternal happiness.
Gav: These certain words, and I wouldn't be able
Gav: to hear them because looking at his fucking
Gav: hair, yeah, it's fucking massive.
Dan: It is a big hair, it's fucking huge.
Gav: It's so big and at times the camera's like
Gav: down, looking upwards, like why are you
Gav: choosing this angle?
Gav: Like what are we doing here?
Dan: Yeah, it's pretty big, is it?
Gav: like a bird with plumage, like I'm going to
Gav: attract you with this.
Gav: It's not a good afro.
Gav: It's not like a good good afro.
Gav: It's a bad afro.
Dan: It's not a good solo.
Dan: Well, it's a white man.
Dan: It's a Brian May.
Dan: Yeah, it's a Brian May, brian May's afro
Dan: it's Brian May's hair.
Dan: Well, we start off with Dwayne, and he's
Dan: Dwayne as well.
Dan: So we don't start with him.
Dan: We actually start off with a little bit of
Dan: a bit with the guy in the bushes outside
Dan: his house.
Gav: Is he called Dwayne then?
Dan: Dwayne Bradley yeah.
Gav: He's not doing well in life, is he?
Gav: He's got a horrible star Right.
Gav: Let's call him Dwayne.
Dan: He's got a nice auntie, though it will talk
Dan: about when we get to her.
Dan: Okay, so we start off with a guy who is a
Dan: doctor and he's leaving his house.
Dan: He can hear something in the bushes
Dan: creeping about.
Dan: There's some really good camera work here.
Gav: I kind of didn't mind this.
Gav: It's kind of made me think of like a real
Gav: late night as a kid turn over to tell him
Gav: it's a whole movie on.
Gav: You don't want this, you just turn it on to
Gav: it.
Gav: It's things like that.
Dan: Yeah, and this doctor is chased back into
Dan: his house by these noises.
Dan: He hears something climbing around on the
Dan: roof, he hears breathing and he tries to
Dan: call the cops, but his phone's been cut.
Dan: And then we just see this horrible, gnarly
Dan: mutant hand pop up from the bottom of the
Dan: screen, grabbing.
Gav: And he says no, no, no.
Dan: And then it closes his face off pretty much,
Dan: and that's the start.
Dan: And then we head over to New York City and
Dan: this is where we meet Dwayne.
Dan: So Dwayne, not only does he have giant hair,
Dan: he's trying to be inconspicuous, he also
Dan: has a giant fucking basket that he carries
Dan: everywhere.
Dan: He goes with him everywhere.
Dan: You know, if you're looking for this guy,
Dan: the cops are like I think it was a, what
Dan: did the guy look like?
Dan: Giant hair, giant basket.
Dan: Right, We'll find him in minutes.
Dan: Easy, easy to spot.
Gav: Brian May just taking a towel out of his
Gav: hands and put a basket into it.
Dan: Just think of Brian May doing his laundry.
Gav: Get your sketch artist to do Brian May
Gav: holding a basket.
Gav: Basket of laundry.
Gav: He's just like holding it like a tar pose,
Gav: but a basket.
Dan: Well, he's walking through the streets of
Dan: New York and you know, some guys, hey,
Dan: buddy, what do you want?
Dan: Upperers, downers, coke, weed, I got it all
Dan: and he's trying to sell it.
Dan: And you know, we see prostitutes or sex
Dan: workers, we see drug dealers, we see pimps,
Dan: we see every type of life.
Dan: As he's walking through New York and he
Dan: comes across a hotel.
Gav: Classic guy at the desk, classic kind of
Gav: greasy guy.
Dan: He looks like if Bob Hoskins let himself go.
Gav: Oh, that's not good is it.
Gav: You know he's like a chubby white vest with
Gav: braces over the top of it, because Bob
Gav: Hoskins wasn't sort of George Cleaning it
Gav: up on it every day, was he?
Dan: Rest in peace.
Dan: But yeah, I know what you mean.
Dan: But this guy is just like he's running the
Dan: hotel.
Dan: When Dwayne asks for a room, he's like well,
Dan: how long do you want it for?
Dan: Do you want it for an hour?
Dan: Do you want it for a day?
Dan: Do you want it for a year?
Dan: Basically, this hotel really is mainly for
Dan: people to come and pay sex workers for an
Dan: hour or two of their time.
Gav: I lived at a hotel for two weeks.
Dan: You did when you fucked your backup.
Gav: I don't think I know about this other trip.
Trailer Voice: Yeah, carry on.
Dan: Okay.
Dan: So, yes, he goes to the hotel, he gets a
Dan: room and the guy's like I need money up
Dan: front.
Dan: He's like, okay, yeah, sure, here's the
Dan: money.
Dan: Seems to have a lot of money and all the
Dan: drunks that hang around on the reception
Dan: desk are like that guy's loaded.
Gav: The dudes.
Gav: I've a bit weird, which I think they're
Gav: probably thinking he's a bit how.
Gav: They might look at him as simple.
Gav: They might look at him a bit less
Gav: intelligent.
Gav: The fact is just wondering around his
Gav: basket from the start, but yeah, just
Gav: pulling out a lot of money.
Gav: You just you don't do it, you don't do it
Gav: now.
Dan: And they say to him what's in the basket
Dan: and he's like, oh, just some of my personal
Dan: possessions.
Dan: Okay, so he goes up to his room.
Gav: I'd be like serial killer, definitely a
Gav: head in that.
Dan: Great, perhaps his head is in that.
Dan: As he heads up to the room he walks past a
Dan: sex worker or prostitute or a hooker.
Dan: If you want to be in the New York eighties,
Dan: called Casey and she takes a shine to him.
Dan: She does.
Dan: She is ushering a punter into a room as she
Dan: does it, but she also looks at him and sort
Dan: of says, hey honey, welcome to the hotel At
Dan: the same time.
Gav: She's just been naïve and she's probably
Gav: just like trying to just live her life.
Gav: She just happens to like bang for her job.
Dan: That's like you know, yeah, so he gets in,
Dan: gets into his room and he puts the basket
Dan: down on the chest of drawers and he
Dan: whispers to it.
Dan: We're here.
Dan: And you think, oh, hang on a minute, he's
Dan: talking to the basket.
Dan: What's going on?
Gav: Yeah.
Gav: So I went into this again.
Gav: I've seen it before, but I went into this
Gav: again without kind of knowing anything and
Gav: it was only like later on I was like, oh,
Gav: it's a revenge film later on when there's a
Gav: doctor killing going on, so for me.
Gav: So I was trying to imagine it as if you
Gav: just went to the cinema back in the day
Gav: like you would when this came out, this
Gav: would've been straight for the New York
Gav: cinema.
Dan: That people in there Imagine seeing that in
Dan: the New York cinema in 92.
Gav: Grimy and and.
Gav: But yeah, with the audience, you don't know
Gav: what is in the basket.
Gav: You're yet to find out as much as I am.
Gav: So I was like Okay, I'm going to play it
Gav: like that.
Gav: He might know what it is, but I was playing
Gav: that, so that's what I'm going to do so.
Dan: he goes out by some junk food, some burgers
Dan: and some fries, and comes back and locks
Dan: the basket and starts throwing food in and
Dan: you hear like a disgusting eating noises.
Gav: He's chatting away to it as well.
Gav: I'm throwing in cheeseburgers.
Dan: Yeah, he says um, we need to find this
Dan: doctor in the phone book.
Dan: So let me just could be, could be anything.
Dan: And he says, oh damn it, the person we're
Dan: looking for in this phone book isn't in the
Dan: book.
Dan: We'll have to go to one of their ex
Dan: colleagues and see if they've got the
Dan: address.
Dan: So he's setting something up.
Dan: We know that him and whatever's in this
Dan: basket are looking for a doctor at this
Dan: point.
Gav: How's the thing?
Gav: In a basket, whatever he's feeling, cause
Gav: I'm pretending I don't know.
Gav: How does it shit?
Dan: Well, I should imagine it's got a?
Dan: Well, it's got a penis.
Dan: Because it's someone, well it fucks that
Dan: girl, doesn't?
Gav: it.
Gav: I don't remember this and that was a bit
Gav: shocking earlier.
Dan: And also in case two is or is it three?
Dan: Three he finds out that his brother has got
Dan: a kid, so it's made a baby in the basket.
Dan: Case three oh dude.
Dan: So if it's got a willy, it's got a bum gap,
Dan: which means it can do a poo.
Dan: Does he have to wipe his brother's bum, or
Dan: does?
Gav: it, do it himself.
Dan: It spends a lot of time sat in the toilet
Dan: as well, bilal, doesn't he?
Gav: This is a greasy strangler.
Dan: By the way, the creature is brother, is
Dan: called Bilal, so we will at times refer to
Dan: him by his real name.
Dan: So so in the middle of the night he wakes
Dan: up and it's very good, cheap way of doing
Dan: this because they don't have to provide a
Dan: voice for the creature, for the most part
Dan: because it can talk to him telepathically.
Dan: And he wakes up in the middle of the night,
Dan: Dwayne, and he's like no, look, I'm trying
Dan: to sleep.
Dan: Please just let me sleep, Not now, We'll
Dan: deal with it all in the morning.
Dan: And he's just talking to himself, but he's
Dan: actually linked telepathically to his
Dan: brother.
Dan: So, um, yeah, that'll come into play a bit
Dan: later on.
Dan: So the drunk guy from downstairs is curious
Dan: about what's in Dwayne's room and he starts
Dan: like loitering outside and the prostitute
Dan: Casey, who he said is taking a shine to him.
Dan: She says stop leaving me alone.
Dan: He's just a young lad with a basket, Don't
Dan: worry about it, Let him get on with his own
Dan: business.
Dan: We've all got our own weird business in
Dan: this hotel.
Dan: So Dwayne says I'm going to go and visit my
Dan: doctor friend now, and I'll take my basket
Dan: with me.
Dan: And this is Dr Needleman, he reminds.
Dan: I was going to say he reminds me a bit of
Dan: Peter Jackson's doctor in um brain dead and
Dan: not Peter Jackson but that you know the
Dan: doctor in brain dead that injects.
Dan: You know he's got a Nazi symbol on his arm
Dan: and that's very gross.
Dan: What are you going to say?
Gav: The receptionist takes uh takes a fancy to
Gav: him.
Dan: Oh God, she's attracted to his hair.
Dan: Have you seen his massive?
Gav: hair, she, she has red flags all over it.
Gav: Later on, when she fucking stalks him, she
Gav: says with the minutes of him being there.
Dan: She says, if you, so you're new to New York
Dan: and he's like, yeah, he could be there for
Dan: an STD.
Dan: She says have you been to the World Trade
Dan: Tower?
Dan: No, what?
Gav: I guess she should know what he's got.
Dan: Have you been to the Statue of Liberty?
Dan: No, what?
Dan: And she's really cross that he's not been
Dan: to any of these places.
Dan: And then she says well, maybe I could be
Dan: your New York city tour guide.
Gav: She's well into it.
Dan: And he's sort of like should she be
Dan: checking, trying to chat up like patients.
Dan: I think.
Dan: I think she's pretty desperate, um, but uh,
Dan: he says tell the doctor I need to have my
Dan: chest examined.
Dan: So she says, all right, I'll do that.
Dan: And we cut to Dwayne leaving.
Dan: So we don't see what happens in that doctor
Dan: surgery.
Dan: But Dwayne leaves and she this is where she
Dan: says to him what I'm trying to say here is
Dan: do you want to go on a date with me?
Dan: And he's like no, no, I can't, I can't.
Dan: And then he goes and puts the basket down
Dan: at the other end of the room and he comes
Dan: back over to her and whispers yes, I
Dan: actually would like to go on a date with
Dan: you.
Dan: And this is so below.
Dan: His brother doesn't hear.
Gav: She's like why are we whispering so he
Gav: doesn't hear who the doctor?
Dan: I know it's funny.
Dan: Um, so he's now been in New York for 12
Dan: hours, he's already got a date and he's
Dan: already lined up his first sort of kill.
Dan: And what does he do to celebrate?
Dan: He goes to watch a kung fu movie in a
Dan: theater.
Dan: Yeah, so we cut to a really badly dubbed
Dan: kung fu film and he's watching it with with
Dan: his basket next to him by the way when he's
Dan: in a doctors.
Gav: We did see him about a shirt on.
Gav: He had a massive scar on his side.
Dan: That's right.
Dan: And the doctor says well, we come back to
Dan: the doctor in a minute.
Dan: So while he's in the cinema, what looks
Dan: like a bit of a sex prover is watching him
Dan: and you think is he going to come over and
Dan: try molesting or something?
Gav: He's just waiting for any opportunity.
Dan: He's not as soon as he falls asleep because
Dan: Duane's very tired this guy steals the
Dan: basket.
Gav: Yeah Well he wakes up next to him and the
Gav: basket is gone.
Dan: And he runs.
Gav: He runs off to the men's toilet with it and
Gav: kicks open drops it on the floor, kicks the
Gav: padlock that breaking off of it opens it up.
Gav: But we've seen from the camera looking
Gav: outwards and we still don't see what it is.
Dan: No, but we do see the look of horror on
Dan: this thief's face and we hear lots and lots
Dan: of screaming and his face gets completely
Dan: slashed.
Dan: Duane runs in and he says no, no, not yet.
Dan: Save it.
Dan: Save it from when you really need to do it.
Dan: Yeah, and there's blood everywhere and he
Dan: just runs off with the basket.
Dan: And then we cut to Dr Cutter.
Dan: What a name, dr Cutter.
Dan: That's her name, dr Judith Cutter.
Dan: She's having dinner with a guy in her
Dan: apartment.
Dan: She is offering it to him on a plate here.
Gav: Prepare for name as Dr.
Dan: Dr Dr Cutter.
Gav: Dr Dr.
Dan: Okay, what, dr.
Dan: Dr?
Dan: I think I there's a joke here.
Dan: You're going to tell me a joke.
Gav: No, really.
Dan: Okay, right.
Dan: So yes, dr Cutter is having dinner with
Dan: this man and he says, oh, I'm going to get
Dan: drunk if I keep drinking.
Dan: She's like, well, that's my plan.
Dan: And she gets a phone call and the phone
Dan: call is from Dr Needleman and he says a man
Dan: has just been into my office, a man that
Dan: matches the description of that boy that we
Dan: removed something from.
Dan: We did that operation on him and he had a
Dan: big scar all down him and he wants to know
Dan: you know about what the other doctors that
Dan: were involved.
Dan: And he told me that Dr Liv Lander is dead
Dan: and this is the guy from the opening scene.
Dan: And she says Well, we thought he might come
Dan: back around at some point.
Dan: She doesn't seem bothered by the fact that
Dan: this kid is now hunting her down.
Dan: She goes back to her dinner date and
Dan: probably ends up bonking that man that's in
Dan: her apartment.
Dan: She's got one trap mind Yep Sexy, sexy sexy.
Dan: One trap, mind.
Dan: Dr Cutter cut back to shower in the
Dan: receptionist.
Dan: She leaves the doctors and Dwayne empties
Dan: the basket and he says Right is, the coast
Dan: is clear.
Dan: Whatever is in there, empties out onto the
Dan: floor and he says to his brother Go in
Dan: there and get the address book as quick as
Dan: you can.
Dan: I'll be waiting in the alleyway downstairs.
Dan: So he's waiting outside and Bilal is in the
Dan: office and the doctor, Dr Neal, and here's
Dan: a noise.
Dan: And he goes out and the door is off its
Dan: hinges and he thinks Okay, something bad's
Dan: going to happen here.
Dan: I need to barricade myself in my office
Dan: with all my desks.
Dan: Yep, Lights are all out.
Dan: Here's a noise.
Dan: Goes into another room, turns the light on
Dan: and what does he see?
Dan: Gav.
Gav: So for the first time he sees our bro ski
Gav: Bilal.
Gav: Now it looks like Harvey Wine Steen's
Gav: hemorrhoid.
Dan: Fucking hell.
Dan: That is terrifying.
Dan: I've got to say and I remember seeing this
Dan: for the first time that it was quite a
Dan: terrifying first shot of him, because he's,
Dan: he doesn't really talk, he just sort of
Dan: screams.
Gav: I know it's quite disturbing.
Gav: Actually I found it when I was when he was
Gav: on screen.
Gav: It was on the screen.
Gav: It's quite disturbing.
Dan: It's like a testicle with arms and a face.
Dan: I don't like it, but somehow he's on the
Dan: wall.
Dan: I guess he's really strong and he's on the
Dan: wall and he kills this guy.
Gav: It was suckers Like an octopus.
Dan: Well, he does call him.
Dan: Later on he says my brother looks like a
Dan: deformed octopus.
Gav: Blood's kind of like the hammer horror
Gav: blood.
Dan: Yeah, he rips his guts out of his stomach,
Dan: doesn't he?
Gav: Yeah, and he can, and he's you know, he's
Gav: dying it also kind of looks like that dude
Gav: who thinks he's the head shit at Jabba
Gav: Hutt's Palace at the front Got a big, big.
Dan: Thing coming out of his head.
Gav: It looks like he's love child or something.
Dan: Yeah, a big fortuna.
Dan: The one who's got the big squid things
Dan: coming out of his head.
Dan: Yeah, I mean he is.
Dan: He's pretty hot shit, Gav.
Dan: He's Jabba's like right at her man, he's
Dan: his translator, you know, he sort of brings
Dan: people in.
Gav: I think he thinks.
Gav: I think he thinks he's bigger than he is.
Dan: I know what you mean.
Dan: I know what you mean.
Gav: But Luke takes him down a page, doesn't he?
Dan: So fuck it, fuck big fortuna.
Dan: So, yes, so Dwayne's waiting outside in the
Dan: alleyway and we hear what?
Dan: We see the shadow of Bilal, and Bilal's
Dan: come out the window and he's got the
Dan: address book.
Dan: He pops him back in the basket and he says
Dan: excellent, this is great, Everything's
Dan: going to plan.
Dan: We cut to the morning and Dwayne's feeding
Dan: some rural sausages into the basket now.
Gav: Is that like a new saying?
Dan: I'm going to feed my rural sausage into the
Dan: basket.
Gav: Feed my sausages into the basket.
Dan: But?
Dan: But talking of such things, dwayne also,
Dan: although he's on a mission with his brother
Dan: to kill these doctors, he's also on a
Dan: mission to get his end away.
Gav: Feed my sausage into your basket.
Dan: Because he is so excited about this date,
Dan: he's got Said to Bishop With the lady the
Dan: receptionist, so he's bought a fucking TV,
Dan: a cheap knockoff TV, and he says to Bilal,
Dan: I love it, I've got to go out and case the
Dan: place.
Gav: Yeah, it's cable TV for you.
Gav: Here's some.
Dan: TV, oh, and there's some newspapers there
Dan: as well.
Dan: If you get bored, see you later.
Dan: And he just runs off.
Gav: He's just happy to fly on the wall.
Gav: There's fucking things in there looking at
Gav: a paper wall TV.
Gav: He's on the back door.
Dan: What's going on on Wall Street today?
Dan: Bloody hell, the stocks are up, aren't they?
Gav: What the fuck, what's?
Gav: He care what's going on.
Dan: Well, he does rip the knob off the TV
Dan: because he knows, because he can
Dan: telepathically link.
Dan: No, he's got a comical.
Gav: I think he just goes oh fucking out of shit.
Gav: That's the kind of way this hand is.
Gav: His hand acts in the way of like this is
Gav: shit, not like aggression.
Dan: Yeah Well, he goes out on the date and he's
Dan: really you know, that's where he really is,
Dan: he's not casing Dr Cutter's apartment and
Dan: he's out on the date and he really, really
Dan: likes his girl and she really likes him too.
Gav: I struggled the fuck with this part of the
Gav: movie.
Gav: I was just like, oh my God, because the
Gav: camera doesn't move, it just sits there and
Gav: they talk.
Dan: I would say this is one of the one of the
Dan: worst on screen on screen kisses I've ever
Dan: seen.
Gav: The whole thing is killing me.
Gav: Now, please kill me.
Dan: When they kiss it's like they're trying to
Dan: eat each other's faces and I guess they're
Dan: both quite nerdy and they may maybe not
Dan: have kissed many people, but my God, it's
Dan: really bad.
Dan: And when he kisses this girl, obviously he
Dan: gets a bit excited, but because he's
Dan: telepathically linked to his brother, bilal,
Dan: who's still in the hotel room.
Gav: This would make a great X-Files episode.
Dan: Well, there was one like this there was a
Dan: bit yeah.
Dan: Yeah, they go to that freak show and
Dan: there's a guy whose little thing comes off
Dan: of his body in the night.
Gav: It goes off to the people.
Gav: And oh yeah.
Gav: Yeah, that's true, and I was like a
Gav: telepathic one as well, so yeah, and
Gav: there's also Total Recall, yeah, so this is
Gav: good.
Gav: I can X-Files episode.
Gav: It would make quite a good one.
Gav: Yeah, I love the fact the basket case is
Gav: just about.
Gav: Basically, he is now acting like a teenager
Gav: in 2023, when the internet has gone down
Gav: from all in 10 minutes.
Dan: A teenager made of stop motion animation.
Gav: Yeah, angry, no Getting rowdy.
Dan: I commend them for trying.
Dan: Stop motion animation sadly never really
Dan: holds up that well, and it does look weird
Dan: when it jumps out of the basket and starts.
Dan: I feel like I'm watching an episode of
Dan: Morph.
Gav: I don't know.
Gav: But yeah, but Morph in, like I've just
Gav: taken bad acid.
Gav: Yeah Well it made me almost feel not sick,
Gav: but it's just, I don't know body horror and
Gav: I know it's not even real and it's fucking
Gav: clay, most stop motion.
Gav: But it's saying about it.
Gav: Maybe just be like, I don't like this.
Dan: Well, Bill Outs screams so loud and he
Dan: smashes the room so much to TV and
Dan: everything that every single person in the
Dan: hotel this isn't.
Gav: Every person is complex.
Dan: And this isn't the first time this will
Dan: happen, but this happens about four times
Dan: in the film.
Dan: Every member of the hotel gatherers.
Gav: They have got nothing else going on.
Gav: They literally like so got nothing going on.
Gav: Like you, just stop whatever they're doing
Gav: at any moment and just go wander around and
Gav: stand outside someone's room and wonder
Gav: what's happening.
Dan: Come on, so old sweaty Bob Hoskins look
Dan: alike.
Dan: He says right, what the fuck's going on?
Dan: I've got the key.
Dan: Obviously, this is my hotel.
Dan: Let me go in the room.
Dan: They go in the room and there's no sign of
Dan: anybody in there.
Dan: Mystery when is it?
Dan: Well, there's no one in here.
Dan: They're all sort of like well, we all heard
Dan: screaming and noise.
Dan: And he says right, everybody back out the
Dan: room, come on, it's time to go.
Gav: One dude knows he's a load of money in the
Gav: bed.
Dan: Oh the drunk can go.
Dan: He's like, oh, there's some money in there.
Dan: So he goes back and he picks the lock with
Dan: the intention of stealing this big wad of
Dan: cash.
Gav: Yeah, now there's a point here where he
Gav: goes over to.
Gav: He gets the money, then he goes over to the
Gav: basket.
Gav: He's looking for more stuff.
Gav: He opens the basket and they'll bro ski,
Gav: mutant, mutant, testicle of Harvey
Gav: Weinstein.
Gav: Bro ski is there in the basket, but they
Gav: could have done it and he wasn't there It'd
Gav: be a lot more tension open up and it wasn't
Gav: there.
Gav: Turns around and then jumps at him.
Gav: You know it's fairly easy.
Gav: It'd have been a bit better, but you know
Gav: he hopes it up and he gets it in the face.
Gav: It's in the face.
Dan: It's quite a good effect.
Dan: Looks like he's been slashed four times
Dan: down the face by claws.
Gav: Those bits are pretty good.
Gav: That happens a couple of times in the film.
Dan: And Dwayne feels that he's killed someone
Dan: from where he is because again they're
Dan: linked.
Dan: So the others come back in the room because
Dan: they've heard more screaming.
Dan: So again the entire hotel empties into the
Dan: room.
Gav: So at this point here it is.
Gav: I kind of give a bit of a cue to this,
Gav: actually, because at the moment it wasn't
Gav: really.
Gav: I suppose it was kind of a structure.
Gav: If I broke it down, I really looked at it.
Gav: But here there really was a kind of
Gav: midpoint term, but the basket case goes out
Gav: the window and at this point I was like,
Gav: does he now go out on the streets of in the
Gav: city, start causing chaos?
Gav: That's what I was hoping.
Gav: It doesn't really happen.
Gav: He kind of he's at home.
Gav: Again.
Gav: I'm a bit confused.
Gav: You need to help me with what's going on.
Dan: In a parallel universe.
Dan: I'd love that to have happened.
Gav: That's what I wanted to happen, and that's
Gav: the most important term.
Gav: And he then goes out into the New.
Dan: York.
Dan: Imagine him mugging a skateboarder and then
Dan: he's wheeling around on a skateboard.
Dan: He's in arms.
Gav: He could have hanged out of quang from the
Gav: towels.
Dan: He is a bit like quang from the towels,
Dan: isn't he?
Dan: Yeah, oh God, imagine those two being
Dan: buddies together.
Gav: Well, he just screams the old towels.
Gav: Nothing could happen there, nothing could
Gav: get done with it.
Dan: Yeah, Well, Dwayne gets back and the police
Dan: are there and they're like where have you
Dan: been?
Dan: And he's like, oh, I've been on a date.
Gav: The detective here is the best actor in
Gav: this whole film.
Dan: He's amazing, isn't he?
Gav: He's great, he's done time he isn't that
Gav: great, but he stands out because no one
Gav: else is at that level he just comes across
Gav: as a genuine cop.
Gav: Yeah, he's just acting, he's just doing the
Gav: thing without it really stalled.
Gav: I'm saying lines.
Dan: You know.
Dan: He says to him okay, so you were on a date
Dan: and you didn't hear anything.
Dan: You don't know anything about this.
Dan: Okay, Interesting.
Dan: And why have you got so much cash in your
Dan: hotel room?
Dan: Okay, Interesting, All right.
Dan: Well, look, I'm going to probably come back
Dan: to you for further questioning, Would that
Dan: be all right?
Dan: And Dwayne's like yeah, that's absolutely
Dan: fine, he plays it very cool, Dwayne.
Dan: It might not be the first time he's had to
Dan: cover the tracks of his crazy little
Dan: brother.
Dan: So they leave and Dwayne looks around
Dan: thinking well, where the hell is my brother?
Dan: Well, he's in the toilet.
Dan: Gal, Of course he's in the toilet.
Gav: Oh, the little hand pops up in the back.
Gav: Hello, yeah, yeah.
Dan: Now what are you doing there?
Gav: Imagine that, though, in the middle of the
Gav: night, he goes to the toilet.
Gav: Oh, he's sitting down.
Dan: Oh, sorry, I've got you in there below.
Dan: Whoa what was that?
Gav: Well, I'm just caressing your balls.
Gav: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, I don't want
Gav: mutant hand crest ball caress.
Dan: Well, they have a telepathic argument.
Dan: That's one of my songs from the album
Dan: Mutant ball caress.
Gav: Mutant ball hand.
Gav: Mutant hand ball caress.
Dan: Wow, by rat or G?
Dan: Yeah, so they have a telepathic argument
Dan: about the dates and you know.
Dan: Basically, we get the impression that Bilal
Dan: won't allow him to live his own life.
Dan: Yeah, yeah.
Gav: Well, we figured that because that was a
Gav: very great at best representation of that,
Gav: as many went and put the basket down and
Gav: came back to receptionist and whispered the
Gav: ongoing date Straight away.
Gav: It's like, oh, he's hiding it from him
Gav: because of yeah, something like that.
Gav: Well, there's almost a similar relationship
Gav: to Norman Bates and his mother and I use
Gav: mother in quotation marks, and he's not
Gav: allowed to ever, you know have a normal
Gav: life before he loves, because he's got this
Gav: commitment to this family member, I think
Gav: that story motif probably happens best in
Gav: the way you just described it, between the
Gav: mother and the child.
Gav: Yeah, the parent and the child.
Dan: Not the deformed octopus brother.
Gav: No, no, not a dude, it is fucking a
Gav: hemorrhoid mutant brother.
Dan: So he says to at the end look, don't worry,
Dan: I'll never do it, yeah, I promise.
Dan: And they sort of their buddies again, ish.
Dan: And then we cut to a nightclub scene.
Dan: A dirty, seedy looking nightclub bar, isn't
Dan: it, gal, everyone's doing everything.
Gav: I imagine they just walked into the nearest
Gav: bar.
Gav: Can we film here?
Gav: Yeah, no worries.
Dan: Oh, Gal, they did.
Dan: All of this was.
Dan: 90% of this film is shot gorilla style.
Gav: Yeah, even the naked teens.
Gav: I know all of the decor was original decor.
Dan: Yeah, the naked scene which comes up later,
Dan: where he runs on the street naked.
Dan: To do that, they basically got him in a van
Dan: with loads of blankets over him and they
Dan: had another van parked at the end of the
Dan: block and someone would go out with a brush,
Dan: brush the sidewalk down all the way to the
Dan: other end, make sure there was no glass or
Dan: anything for him to stand on.
Dan: This was like three in the morning, and
Dan: then they'd go action and he'd run from one
Dan: van into the other van and they did that
Dan: about four times and then edited it
Dan: together.
Dan: So if you'd have seen it, you'd have seen
Dan: this giant Brian May head man running with
Dan: his dick flapping around.
Gav: He's fine enough.
Gav: His bush looks like Brian May's hair again.
Dan: Yeah, he's got it up and down, isn't he?
Dan: Yeah, the collar is much the cuffs.
Dan: I just noticed it.
Dan: Yeah, collars and cuffs.
Dan: Where were we?
Dan: Oh yeah, so we're in the Seedy Nightclub.
Dan: And while he's in there, who does he see?
Dan: He's Casey the sex worker.
Dan: And she says hey, you're the guy with a
Dan: basket from the hotel.
Dan: Listen, I'm getting absolutely fucked off
Dan: my nut over here.
Dan: Do you want to come in?
Dan: Can you come and join me?
Gav: I've never seen people laugh so much drunk
Gav: loudly in each other's faces because the
Gav: acting over the acting is just okay.
Gav: You got drunk.
Gav: Laugh lots, okay.
Gav: No, laugh more.
Gav: You're drunk, okay, okay.
Dan: I kind of like this scene though.
Dan: Oh, what the fuck.
Dan: Why did you?
Gav: like it.
Dan: What I like about this scene is he
Dan: drunkenly reveals the whole plot to her,
Dan: because they're so drunk.
Gav: I do like that.
Gav: I'll give you that.
Gav: It's silly.
Dan: Say again yeah, she thinks he's just been
Dan: silly.
Dan: Yeah.
Dan: Well whoa whoa.
Dan: I think it's happened At first, until she
Dan: goes.
Gav: You're creeping me out now.
Dan: Yeah, because she says to him um, look, one
Dan: thing I want to know about you is what's in
Dan: the basket?
Dan: And he says my brother.
Dan: And she laughs and laughs and she says what
Dan: is he?
Gav: Yeah, but it keeps going.
Gav: She's like, and after a while she stops
Gav: laughing.
Gav: And then she says you're creeping me out
Gav: eventually.
Dan: What is he?
Dan: A midget?
Dan: And he says, no, we're twins.
Dan: And she's like what?
Dan: And he's like, yeah, he's deformed.
Dan: Our mother died giving birth to us.
Dan: Ha ha ha, we were attached to the hip, ha
Dan: ha ha.
Dan: Now he talks to me in my head and she's
Dan: like that's when she says, well, you're
Dan: creeping me out a little bit, because she
Dan: can tell maybe he's been a bit serious here.
Dan: And then we get flashbacks.
Dan: We enter quite a major flashback now.
Gav: It's a flashback.
Gav: It turns into another fucking movie.
Gav: It's like scenes.
Gav: It's not just a flashback with us like one
Gav: shot, it's scenes.
Gav: I was like, oh OK, all right.
Dan: So we cut to the day that Duane was born
Dan: and obviously his mother died giving birth
Dan: to him and his one mother.
Dan: This gets a little bit more serious about
Dan: what you're looking at.
Gav: earlier you sort of said about, Is this
Gav: part here Because it does come down to an
Gav: actual question.
Gav: It comes down to the question of abortion.
Gav: Basically, yeah, it's really dark, isn't it?
Dan: That's what, essentially, she's sort of
Dan: saying.
Gav: And then going no, you cut it off Because
Gav: at least that gives him a chance to live
Gav: more of the human person.
Gav: So just what about the other thing?
Gav: I'll get rid of it, sort of you know.
Gav: Well, they're saying you know what he says
Gav: it.
Dan: I'm not calling it anything, it's not my
Dan: son.
Dan: Only one of these things is my son.
Dan: The other one is just a thing, just a
Dan: growth, so they don't do anything about it
Dan: for 12 years and it says 12 years later.
Dan: Excuse me, and their auntie is looking
Dan: after them.
Gav: You can go look at this from a parent
Gav: perspective though, if they've done 12
Gav: years, they've been trying, and it must be
Gav: to a point where we need to give him a
Gav: chance, because you would essentially want
Gav: to do that.
Gav: But his dad is caved.
Dan: His dad lost his wife, you know, for the
Dan: birth of this son and thing attached to it.
Dan: So he gets to Backstreet Back Alley doctors
Dan: around to his house who we find out later
Dan: on.
Dan: One of them is a vet later on.
Dan: It's bit gnarly, though.
Dan: It's just how I hold him down.
Dan: It's kind of like going into your sort of
Dan: 70s kind of like you know.
Gav: Like you know, sort of like going into your
Gav: sort of 70s, kind of like a Satan
Gav: worshipping top sort of film or something
Gav: it's real like.
Dan: Like fucking hell.
Dan: They take the doctor up to the room and the
Dan: little boy turns around.
Dan: He's 12 years old and he's got a little
Dan: baby, bilal, hanging off of his side and
Dan: it's disturbing to see.
Dan: Man, yeah, it's disturbing to see and it's
Dan: the subject matter as well.
Dan: Really, they overhear everything that's
Dan: been talked about downstairs, so he kind of
Dan: understands.
Dan: I think they're going to try and separate
Dan: us.
Dan: You know, this is, this is kid.
Dan: I hasn't had it easy for 12 years with this
Dan: thing growing out of his side, you know.
Gav: The head starts making sounds like of a
Gav: same sort of sounds of the head in
Gav: Reanimator.
Gav: Yeah, it's like oh, this is all right, so
Gav: they they.
Dan: I'm going to go.
Dan: I don't like this film.
Dan: They hold down this 12-year-old boy, the
Dan: doctors and they.
Dan: He's screaming, he's screaming and so is
Dan: the head thing, and they managed to knock
Dan: them out with an injection.
Dan: Come at it.
Gav: Come Alice, come watch the movie with me.
Gav: It's a good part.
Dan: And then they get the cutting equipment out
Dan: and then we hear all this noises of bone
Dan: cutting and sawing and flash being torn.
Gav: I go I'm going to put my hands up here.
Gav: I pressed forwards through this bit, did
Gav: you Only at 0.5, but it would have muted
Gav: this music sound and it just went through a
Gav: little bit quicker because I was just not
Gav: going.
Gav: Ah, not having a good time here.
Dan: Well, with this scene it tricks you because
Dan: you think, oh, they're not going to show it,
Dan: though, they're only we're only hearing it.
Dan: But then you do see them take Bilal off of
Dan: Dwayne with a horrible squelchy sound and
Dan: they say, well, what should we do with him?
Dan: And he's like, I don't care what you do
Dan: with it, as long as my son's okay.
Dan: What do they do with it, garth?
Dan: They put him in a trash bag.
Gav: I thought they would have injected the
Gav: thing, the child, the mutant child or
Gav: something, to put it out as misery or
Gav: something, or done something, not just put
Gav: it in the trash and go.
Gav: Let's hope for the best.
Dan: I would have.
Dan: Yeah, but they've just think, well, it's
Dan: probably dead, they're going to be like
Dan: fuck is this?
Gav: Oh, it's a big groove.
Dan: Oh, it's moving.
Dan: Well, yeah, dwayne wakes up the morning
Dan: after the operation and he thinks, well,
Dan: where's my brother's?
Dan: Not on my side, this is weird.
Dan: So he then, he senses him in his brain.
Dan: So he goes out and this is where he finds
Dan: the trash bag and it's moving and the arm
Dan: comes out of it.
Dan: So he's still alive.
Gav: That sounded like a kind of like a Wu-Tan
Gav: senses thing, wu-tan Spider-Man altogether.
Dan: And then I don't know why he does this, but
Dan: he creates a machine now with his brother.
Dan: They create this big fuck because in the
Dan: middle of the night his dad wakes up and he
Dan: hears all this sewing and drilling and he
Dan: thinks what on earth is this?
Dan: So he goes downstairs.
Gav: Some actual tension going on here, I'm
Gav: going to say when his dad starts, he's
Gav: fucking dick.
Gav: If a dad wanders around with no fucking
Gav: shoes or slippers on, or go down to the
Gav: basement, where this shit which could fuck
Gav: my feet up and just wander around, he
Gav: stands on a nail, doesn't he?
Gav: Yeah, because he's a fucking idiot.
Dan: But anyway there's a slight bit of tension
Dan: down here.
Dan: That basement is bigger than my house times
Dan: two.
Gav: Oh, jesus Christ, you should see this, I
Gav: was my flat.
Gav: You've seen this, I was my flat.
Dan: It's like doors within doors within rooms.
Dan: It's like a mansion down there.
Dan: But anyway, he wanders around and
Dan: eventually he sees lots of wood and
Dan: equipment and thinks someone's been
Dan: building something down here.
Dan: And indeed they have.
Dan: Dwayne and Bilal have put together a device
Dan: which has got a big buzz saw in the middle,
Dan: loads of spikes and other cutting
Dan: implements, and they've set it up like a
Dan: game of mousetrap where it just flies down
Dan: a big ramp straight as that and splits him
Dan: right down the middle.
Gav: Yeah, and we know this because it has to
Gav: shot loads of floor of legs and feet
Gav: Falling apart from each other.
Dan: Yeah, Just like in 13 Ghosts, and we the
Dan: auntie.
Dan: Then we cut to the auntie saying look,
Dan: dwayne, I look after you both.
Dan: Don't worry, I'll cover it all up.
Dan: But don't worry, I'll tell them.
Dan: You know, I didn't know anything about it.
Dan: You're on your right and we get these
Dan: really disturbing slash touching scenes now.
Gav: Sitting here.
Gav: I tell you a story about Red Riding Hood.
Dan: Yeah, she's rocking on a rocking chair with
Dan: Bilal in a blanket.
Gav: It's obviously just a thing which is not
Gav: moving yet and it's just got these dead
Gav: eyes just staring forward.
Gav: It's just like ugh.
Dan: The face of Bilal is just terrifying.
Dan: And then, obviously, dwayne's sat next to
Dan: him.
Dan: She's raising these boys, trying to look
Dan: after them, but then sadly, she dies
Dan: because we cut to her funeral and they're
Dan: all alone and then we go back to the
Dan: present day.
Dan: So that was the backstory of what happened
Dan: to him.
Dan: No wonder he is so fucked up.
Dan: Jesus Christ, you think it was, wasn't it?
Gav: I've got all about that.
Gav: Thought we'd talk about another movie.
Gav: Yeah, flat was the flashback.
Gav: It's a 20 minute flashback.
Gav: Now remember what was going on before.
Dan: Well, we're drunk in the bar with a sex
Dan: worker, yeah.
Dan: So she helps him get back to his hotel room.
Dan: She helps him into bed.
Dan: She peeks inside the basket, but the
Dan: basket's empty.
Dan: She goes back to her room, which is that
Dan: tension I was speaking about earlier, I
Dan: guess.
Dan: She gets undressed.
Dan: She gets fully undressed.
Dan: She's wearing literally just a T-shirt, and
Dan: then she slides her pants off as well.
Dan: She gets into bed and, as she lies, back in
Dan: the bed, Hashtag me too.
Gav: Basket case, oh, we've got his.
Gav: Definitely Harvey Weinstein's hemorrhoid,
Gav: isn't it?
Dan: Yeah, he's hiding under a pillow.
Gav: Starts touching her boobs.
Dan: No, no, no, that's a perceptionist.
Dan: He does that to you later on this is oh
Dan: yeah, he does it later too.
Dan: But he does like touching up women when
Dan: they're asleep.
Gav: He's a panty stealer in this, though, isn't
Gav: he?
Dan: Is he?
Dan: Yeah, he's a pant.
Dan: Oh, I forgot about that.
Dan: Okay, interesting.
Dan: So yeah, in her bed the pillows move and
Dan: he's under the pillow.
Dan: She wakes up and screams.
Dan: She runs out of the room and she's again.
Dan: What happens?
Dan: The entire hotel runs up to the floor they
Dan: must be getting sick of this by now and she
Dan: says something's in my room and it's trying
Dan: to kill me.
Dan: It was a thing in my room, so every single
Dan: person in the hotel.
Gav: And at this point you think he's going to
Gav: get, it's going to get caught.
Dan: Yep.
Dan: Bob Hoskins is there again.
Dan: He's like.
Dan: Jesus Christ, Where's Roger Rabbit?
Dan: He's annoyed.
Dan: Obviously he checks the room, the windows
Dan: open.
Dan: We see the hand go back into the basket and
Dan: Dwayne wakes up with a big hangover.
Gav: Before that we do see basket case, find the
Gav: knickers.
Dan: Oh, yes, that's right.
Dan: So he's going to have a little basket wank
Dan: with those.
Gav: He's sniffing them.
Gav: I'll tell you that.
Dan: Maybe he's eating them.
Dan: Who knows what he eats.
Dan: So in the morning Dwayne wakes up with the
Dan: worst hangover ever and he says right then,
Dan: let's get this over with, let's go and see
Dan: Dr Cutter.
Gav: This is the fake porn scene or actual real
Gav: porn scene.
Gav: The acting here please anybody go watch it
Gav: and be like is this it's not, it's so like
Gav: it.
Dan: And what makes it more like a porn film is
Dan: the receptionists are twins, so wooden.
Dan: The receptionists are twins, aren't they?
Dan: The two women on reception?
Gav: I'm looking now.
Gav: So one in red and one in white.
Gav: I didn't realise.
Dan: Yeah, it's really weird.
Gav: It's really weird.
Gav: Casting decision, but Just because they're
Gav: twins is probably like oh, because we've
Gav: got a twin thing going on here, let's put
Gav: twins in it, can they act?
Gav: No, Just put them in it.
Dan: So not only did this happen to him when he
Dan: was 12 by these doctors, but one of them
Dan: wasn't even a proper doctor, she was a vet.
Dan: But, like you say, yes, they have some bad
Dan: acting here.
Dan: And he says she's like so what's wrong with
Dan: your cat?
Dan: And he says it's actually not a cat.
Dan: There's something else in my basket that
Dan: you need to see.
Gav: It's so bad.
Dan: She puts the basket on the table and he
Dan: reveals himself and Bilal jumps out and
Dan: kills her.
Dan: Well, starts to kill her.
Dan: She starts screaming.
Dan: The receptionists are trying to get in.
Gav: This is what I discovered.
Gav: It's a revenge film.
Dan: Then this is a great moment, because she's
Dan: trying to grab a scalpel because Bilal is
Dan: strangling her, and then instead there's a
Dan: drawer that she pulls open full of scalp
Dan: holes and sharp things, and Bilal just
Dan: slams her face down into it.
Dan: So when the receptionists run into the room,
Dan: she's there's a great shot where she's got
Dan: all these scalp holes sticking out of her
Dan: face.
Gav: She does scream for about 20 minutes
Gav: straight and the receptionist outside knock
Gav: us out.
Gav: Are you all right?
Gav: No, how can you not hear the length of
Gav: these screams?
Dan: I think the reason they left her screaming
Dan: for so long was A it was terrifying, but B
Dan: it gives you a chance to look at the
Dan: effects, because some of those scalp holes
Dan: are right next to her eyeball.
Dan: It looks so good.
Dan: They're all just like imagine pinhead, but
Dan: with those of scalp holes.
Gav: Scalpel head.
Dan: Scalpel head, that's my rap name.
Gav: It's not that good.
Dan: All right, like you know, rapper or G, jack
Dan: the Rapper, jack the Rapper.
Dan: Okay, so back to the hotel and Sharon, the
Dan: receptionist from earlier.
Dan: She shows up Red flag, red flag.
Dan: She says my boss has been murdered.
Gav: And I've been thinking about you all day.
Gav: Why?
Dan: She says I don't know why I've been
Dan: thinking about you all day, but I have.
Gav: Might be going on a date potentially, but
Gav: that is a bit full on.
Dan: They've only kissed, that's all they've
Dan: done.
Dan: So she cries, they hug, they kiss.
Gav: She is going to boil his bunny yeah.
Gav: That's not going to give him a handjob on
Gav: the table.
Dan: Well before that.
Dan: They're on the bed and he's about to put
Dan: his raw sausage in her basket, but he
Dan: forgets that Bilal is in his basket, isn't
Dan: he Watch it?
Dan: So he starts to imagine this.
Dan: So picture yourself as Sharon Gov forget
Dan: all the red flags.
Dan: You've gone to this man's hotel, you're
Dan: getting down and dirty on the bed with him,
Dan: it's all getting hot and heavy and then,
Dan: all of a sudden, this haemorrhoid bursts
Dan: out of a basket, screaming at you.
Dan: Yeah, what would you do?
Dan: Because she screams and runs out of the
Dan: room, but then she tries to get back in the
Dan: room.
Dan: It depends on desperate.
Dan: You're half a sec, she's desperate.
Gav: She's like don't let me in If you need it,
Gav: if it's been a while.
Gav: You know it sometimes gets desperate, you
Gav: know.
Dan: Well, dwayne and his brother fight.
Gav: I think, you, I think as a man, you stop
Gav: for a moment and go right.
Gav: Then it's just a way up the situation.
Gav: I'm already at it.
Gav: This is great.
Gav: That's not great.
Gav: This is can I deal with this and that?
Gav: Probably, I'll just look this way.
Dan: Especially if you said to the person you
Dan: have a sex with, what is that in the middle?
Dan: And they go don't worry about that.
Dan: That's just my little deformed brother.
Gav: You would.
Gav: Why is he watching as a man guaranteed you
Gav: probably go, yeah, whatever floats your
Gav: boat Does he want to join in.
Gav: I'm guessing as a lady you'll probably go
Gav: lost.
Gav: It now Freed.
Gav: You know you've lost me.
Dan: Well, Dwayne and his brother fight and he
Dan: shoves him back in the basket and lays him
Dan: on the louis Right in.
Gav: Let us know, if there was a deformed man's
Gav: twin in his basket over there, would you
Gav: carry on or would you stop?
Gav: Let us know.
Dan: I've got a terrible story that I could tell.
Gav: Writing on the postcode.
Gav: Dan, please tell us the story.
Dan: So I know someone who this is bad I'm not
Dan: going to tell you the whole story.
Gav: I'm going to tell you every once in a while
Gav: you do one of these, do it.
Dan: Uh, so I know someone I don't anymore
Dan: really but she was with a gentleman, her
Dan: ex-husband, and neither of them would ever
Dan: listen to this show, so that's fine.
Dan: And he used to.
Dan: When they, when they had sex, he used to
Dan: make.
Dan: He used to say to her I need to pretend
Dan: that there's a girl in the wardrobe
Dan: watching us, so anywhere I can get it, get
Dan: it hard and get it done.
Dan: So they had to pretend.
Dan: So she would have to sort of look at the
Dan: wardrobe and go is she still watching us in
Dan: the middle of it?
Dan: And he'd be like, yeah, yeah, she's
Dan: watching everything we're doing.
Dan: And I just thought that was so fucking
Dan: weird and they're obviously divorced now.
Dan: That was one of the many red flags of their
Dan: relationship.
Dan: And if you're into that, guys like if
Dan: you're into voyeurism or whatever, that's
Dan: fine, but I just find that a little bit
Dan: creepy that he used to say there has to be
Dan: a woman or a girl in the cupboard watching
Dan: us.
Dan: That's the only way you can get it done.
Gav: How he should have done it better is put a
Gav: camcorder in there, a filming, and then
Gav: watch the cupboard.
Gav: No, just have that.
Gav: There Might have made it better.
Gav: It's a mutual understand, I think.
Dan: So that was my story.
Dan: It didn't involve any deformities.
Gav: Uncle Gav of his sect tips.
Dan: What you need to do, guys if you want to do
Dan: your own voyeurism, just follow Gav's
Dan: advice.
Dan: Anyway, Bilal crawls around the room
Dan: screaming at the window and his eyes start
Dan: glowing red.
Dan: And he is that guy's horny I think so, but
Dan: also it's like his telepathic power has
Dan: reached its potential potential.
Dan: I think Fucking gong to jizz everywhere,
Dan: isn't he?
Dan: Because he controls Dwayne now and Dwayne
Dan: dreams that he's running down the street
Dan: naked.
Dan: This is what I talked about earlier, and we
Dan: do indeed see him running stark bollock
Dan: naked down the streets of New York.
Gav: Oh, hang on, hang on, because the figma
Gav: jiggies.
Gav: I felt like this was a representation of
Gav: him, his brother, leaving the window again
Gav: a moment ago, and I thought it was a
Gav: corrupt presentation of his brother being
Gav: naked and going down the streets off.
Gav: What this was Can we go back to.
Gav: And my notes was like, yeah, he went out of
Gav: a window before what happened.
Gav: What did happen?
Gav: Did he not go out the window?
Gav: Was that a ruse for everyone who ran into
Gav: the room to think he had gone out the
Gav: window?
Dan: Yeah, he didn't go out the window.
Gav: Ah, it was so before that, right, thank you.
Dan: So Dwayne is running naked through the
Dan: streets and he goes to Sharon's bedroom and
Dan: he starts feeling her up while she's asleep,
Dan: yes, he feels a boob.
Gav: It's not something we'd ever recommend to
Gav: someone asleep.
Gav: It's a Cripshead 2 move.
Dan: It is, and we all know what happens there.
Dan: However, he wakes up and Bilal is not in
Dan: his room and, in fact, it's Bilal that's
Dan: the one that's feeling her up.
Dan: And he starts strangling her.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: She wakes up and he's so.
Dan: You wake up to this thing on top of you,
Dan: strangling you with its eyes glowing red.
Trailer Voice: Yeah.
Dan: Dwayne bursts into the room.
Gav: Too late, she's dead.
Dan: She's dead, but also it looks like he's
Dan: inserted in her because when he pulls her
Dan: off, he is.
Gav: He's like a leech.
Dan: And he's we'll go.
Gav: He takes her off but oh, he's sitting on
Gav: her groin on the area going up and down
Gav: it's like oh it's like it's like a
Gav: barbocram to get in the head in Reanomator.
Dan: From a head.
Dan: It's so bad.
Gav: It's just like oh, dude, and this was just
Gav: like.
Gav: I was not expecting this and I did not
Gav: remember this.
Dan: Yeah, man.
Dan: Well, because they don't explicitly say it,
Dan: I think it's implied, but it's definitely
Dan: what's happening.
Dan: So we go back to the hotel and again, the
Dan: final time, every single one of the guests
Dan: is awake.
Dan: And this time Bob Oskine says I've had
Dan: enough, I'm gonna kick him out of the hotel.
Dan: So he goes up to the hotel room and as they
Dan: walk in the room, bilal and Dwayne are
Dan: fighting and Bilal pushes Dwayne out the
Dan: window.
Dan: They both fall and then we get this kind of
Dan: bittersweet moment.
Dan: They're where they're hanging off of the
Dan: sign and Bilal realizes this is his chance
Dan: to save Dwayne, because he's hanging with
Dan: one arm and he's got Dwayne in his other
Dan: arm, but because he's only a little
Dan: deformed octopus fella he hasn't quite got
Dan: the strength to hold his brother and he
Dan: really wants to and you can see from his
Dan: face he's thinking I can't drop him, he's
Dan: my brother, although we're fighting.
Dan: But sadly he hasn't got the strength and
Dan: they both fall to their death in front of
Dan: all of the street.
Dan: Workers, prostitutes slash, sex workers
Dan: splat on the ground.
Gav: They should have kept playing here.
Gav: Where will I be famous, bross?
Gav: Why?
Gav: Because, brothers.
Dan: Well, the hotel was called the Hotel
Dan: Broslin.
Dan: See, the way they're hanging, is they cut
Dan: out the L and the I and the N, so it's the
Dan: hotel Bross.
Dan: So it's quite good Hanging tough.
Dan: So you're onto something there.
Dan: That was New Kids on the Block.
Gav: I know NKRATB.
Dan: If you're cool.
Dan: So yeah, they splat on the pavement and a
Dan: man comes over.
Dan: A random bloke just comes over and says, oh
Dan: yep, they're dead and that's the end.
Dan: Now they're not dead because they make two
Dan: sequins.
Gav: How the fuck is there part two and part
Gav: three, and can we please not watch them?
Dan: Oh, that's a shame.
Gav: I know you've said like and they're driving
Gav: away, they're gonna do a part two and part
Gav: three and they're upset and they're like,
Gav: oh no.
Dan: Maybe now, maybe we'll come to them at some
Dan: point Before we give our thoughts and stuff
Dan: on that just quickly.
Dan: Then Basket Case Two came out in 1990, so
Dan: many years later, like eight years later
Dan: and the synopsis is Dwayne and his
Dan: basket-bound mutant brother are taken in to
Dan: a secret home for wayward freaks with a
Dan: journalist hot on their tail.
Dan: Then Basket Case Three, which came out the
Dan: following year.
Dan: Synopsis is Dwayne recovers from his
Dan: delusional breakdown to find his freakish
Dan: basket-bound brother will soon become a
Dan: father.
Dan: Not everything is joyous as the once
Dan: tight-knit brothers no longer seem to trust
Dan: each other.
Gav: He's got his own little life.
Gav: What's?
Gav: He got a paper round.
Dan: He works on Wall Street.
Gav: Is he throwing papers while someone's in
Gav: the basket?
Dan: Ah, but yeah, so Basket Case 1982.
Dan: Now my thoughts, before you give yours,
Dan: because I know you've got your thoughts.
Dan: My thoughts are it's a really highly
Dan: original film.
Dan: It feels like we've seen this so many times,
Dan: but actually this was the first time we'd
Dan: seen a sort of conjoined twin type film.
Dan: The effects aren't always good, but when
Dan: you see his face for the first time and
Dan: then a couple of times throughout this,
Dan: it's quite terrifying because it's like you
Dan: said, there's no expression, it's got very
Dan: soulless eyes, the way it screams and that
Dan: whole flashback is just really takes you to
Dan: a really dark place and it's quite a
Dan: serious tone all of a sudden.
Dan: And because of that, I've really enjoyed
Dan: this and it is a silly early 80s, almost
Dan: trauma type film.
Dan: But there is a lot going on in there that
Dan: pushes it slightly above for me.
Dan: Definitely, it's definitely one of those
Dan: ones that people talk about.
Dan: It was one on the playground that people
Dan: talked about and yeah, that's kind of it
Dan: for now for me, but I really liked it.
Dan: But tell me about you, what did you think?
Gav: I haven't seen it for many years and watch
Gav: it again it was.
Gav: I became a little bit bored of it.
Gav: My attention span didn't really stick with
Gav: it anymore.
Gav: It's not a Gav movie, I can't you know.
Dan: I can't recommend it and is that because of
Dan: the horror.
Gav: Yeah, yeah, I can't recommend it to someone
Gav: who doesn't like the movies I like or likes
Gav: the movies I like, doesn't like basically
Gav: me and I don't like it.
Gav: But you might be into this film.
Dan: Yeah, if it does the job of making you feel
Dan: a bit uncomfortable and a bit dirty and
Dan: gross.
Gav: It's early 80s New York grimy movie and
Gav: it's kind of almost a sub genre.
Gav: So like, if you know what you're getting
Gav: into, you'll probably be into it and if
Gav: you're like, you might be like, yeah, I'm
Gav: really into that sort of thing.
Gav: I really like the New York scene of that
Gav: time.
Gav: I find the history you know everything went
Gav: on there Quite fascinating.
Gav: I've watched documentaries on the crack and
Gav: the Democratic stuff.
Gav: I find it really interesting.
Gav: I know it's terrible in a lot of places,
Gav: but very interesting.
Gav: And this is a type of film and you might be
Gav: into it, you know.
Dan: Yeah, and, like you said, if you know what
Dan: you're getting into I mean the synopsis
Dan: alone if you know you're going to be
Dan: watching a film about a guy with a deformed
Dan: half brother, in his basket, kind of yeah,
Dan: the ex-anist or something.
Dan: Yeah, it's not Shakespeare, but it does
Dan: what it says and there's some good deaths
Dan: in it and it's quite a good story in my
Dan: opinion.
Dan: You know, this kid was wronged as a
Dan: 12-year-old and so when he's older, I mean
Dan: his mutant brother go on the murder's
Dan: rampage.
Gav: I could say it don't the really emotionally
Gav: done by David Cronenberg.
Dan: Oh God, yeah, oh my God, If he ever did
Dan: something like this because he did the
Dan: Brood, didn't he?
Dan: With the children growing off of the woman
Dan: and going out in Kenneby Falls, that's kind
Dan: of his version of that.
Gav: Yeah, Stolt a Rumour.
Gav: David Cronenberg's remaking a basket case
Gav: Stolt a Rumour.
Dan: He's producing it and Rob Zombie is
Dan: directing it.
Dan: No, Sherry Moon is grimsy.
Dan: Sherry Moon is in the basket.
Dan: She's going to be in the basket.
Dan: She's going to be in the basket.
Dan: She's going to be in the basket.
Dan: She's going to be in the basket.
Gav: Can you imagine, I want it, I want it Twerk
Gav: in.
Dan: Yeah, I want it, oh God.
Trailer Voice: Well, there you go, guys.
Gav: She played both, though didn't she, she'd
Gav: be like him with a big, really big afro,
Gav: and the basket as well.
Dan: Do you think Rob Zombie's ultimate film
Dan: would be like Men?
Dan: But instead it's like.
Gav: Sherry.
Gav: Sherry Moon is every character.
Dan: It's just called Sherry and every character
Dan: in it.
Dan: There's a bloke, there's a kid.
Gav: Somebody please make that movie right now
Gav: with AI.
Dan: Sherry Moon is every character in a village
Dan: and a man gets lost there.
Dan: Eli Roth turns up in the village and
Dan: everyone knows Sherry Moon.
Gav: Speaking of AI, I have turned to chat GBT
Gav: now, where before I was a bit like chat
Gav: what?
Gav: I couldn't get the letters right when you
Gav: turned me.
Gav: I'm in there now.
Gav: I'm on it.
Gav: I'm on it.
Gav: It's so good, it's interesting isn't it.
Gav: It's so amazing what you can do with it.
Gav: Very, very helpful tool.
Dan: Well, I've got to say, Gav it is basket
Dan: case is a big deformed thumbs up.
Dan: For me it's a big deformed raw sausage in
Dan: my basket.
Gav: Yes.
Dan: What about you?
Gav: I don't know what has to be raw.
Gav: It's just a boxbark in a way.
Dan: Well, it's because we're talking about raw
Dan: sausage.
Dan: Your opinions on body horror aside, try and
Dan: leave those aside.
Dan: What do you think of this overall?
Dan: Is it a thumbs up or a thumb stain?
Gav: Kind of it dragged for me.
Gav: It's a thumbs down for me OK.
Dan: Well, if you have seen basket case, we'd be
Dan: interested to know what you guys think.
Dan: It's one that people don't often talk about.
Dan: It wasn't quite a video nasty, but it was
Dan: probably quite close to it.
Dan: But if you have seen it, that's all right.
Dan: If you haven't seen it, go check it out,
Dan: but be warned it's a dirty and grimy.
Gav: If you see any, you can watch it and follow
Gav: up with greasy strangler for pudding.
Gav: Oh.
Dan: God Pudding Well talking of.
Dan: Drippy, drippy pudding.
Dan: Talking of drippy puddings, Bill Murray's
Dan: here and he has got his own rule sausage to
Dan: put on our baskets, because Bill Murray and
Dan: their drippy puddings.
Gav: Is that his?
Dan: band.
Dan: He's born a very nice tuxedo today Because
Dan: he's, you know, last couple of episodes
Dan: he's turned up in various gimp outfits.
Dan: So he's here today with a big list which is
Dan: going to pass to me so we can read out for
Dan: our world of the strange.
Dan: So, bill, if you're ready to lead us into
Dan: the world of the strange, please do so.
Dan: My friend, hi, welcome back to world of the
Dan: strange.
Trailer Voice: Oh, it's one of the New York strange.
Dan: Bill Murray, no stranger to New York.
Dan: He lives there, he loves New York, he's a
Dan: New Yorker through and through.
Dan: So, obviously, ghostbusters 1 and 2, both
Dan: shot in New York and, you know, set in New
Dan: York.
Dan: Yes, we are going to be talking about New
Dan: York for this world of the strange, and I
Dan: have got a list of urban legends that New
Dan: York is famous for, and we're going to go
Dan: through these, see if you've heard of them,
Dan: see what your thoughts are on them, and a
Dan: couple of them I can debunk for you as well.
Dan: Okay, okay.
Dan: So we talked about rats earlier, so the
Dan: first one on here is the rat problem in New
Dan: York.
Dan: Brilliant, apparently, there is one rat for
Dan: every human in New York.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: It's a lot of rats.
Dan: However, apparently that is no longer the
Dan: case.
Dan: They have sorted out their rat problem in
Dan: the last 20 years, but there are still an
Dan: awful lot of rats there.
Dan: I've seen that documentary and I'm sure you
Dan: have.
Dan: Where the guys are going around and they
Dan: sort of kick some trash cans, yeah, like 25
Dan: rats runs out.
Dan: It's just absolutely appalling.
Dan: But they do say one of the urban legends is
Dan: they do say you're never more than about
Dan: two foot from a rat when you're in New York.
Dan: And it turns me on, or me when I'm just
Dan: literally here.
Dan: Right there now, there you go.
Dan: Well, that was the first one.
Dan: It's not very interesting, but the second
Dan: one is.
Dan: The second one is, you might have heard of
Dan: him, Cropsy.
Dan: Yes, You've all heard of Cropsy.
Dan: Cropsy is a maniac who snatches children on
Dan: Staten Island and kills them with his hook
Dan: hand or an ice pick or an axe Depends on
Dan: your version of the story and that's kind
Dan: of the basis for a lot of things, like I
Dan: know what he did last summer Candyman.
Dan: A lot of these slashes come from this.
Dan: Now there's even been a Cropsy film made
Dan: and he's not real, apparently.
Dan: But there was an employee at a state school
Dan: on Staten Island it was a school for
Dan: children with disabilities and he was
Dan: convicted of kidnapping and potentially
Dan: harming children and that's where it came
Dan: from.
Dan: And then, apparently, that school shut down
Dan: and if you go back there now and you say
Dan: something like if you say Cropsy, five
Dan: times, you'll come and get you or something
Dan: like that Will he now.
Dan: He maybe will.
Gav: How has this been proven?
Gav: Because surely, if they've been killed and
Gav: we said it, how's the person who said that
Gav: this happened?
Dan: Someone tick-tocked themselves as they did
Dan: it.
Gav: Did they now?
Dan: Yeah, but I don't know.
Dan: We've all heard of Cropsy, though.
Dan: It is an interesting one, and a city like
Dan: New York is going to have a lot of urban
Dan: legends, and one of them's got to be some
Dan: kind of its own sort of Freddy Krueger type
Dan: killer, now something that New York is very
Dan: famous for, new York, new York, new York Is
Dan: Gab singing.
Gav: Is that a song?
Gav: Who sings it?
Gav: Jay-z the other teams are made up.
Dan: Yes, so New York is very, very famous for
Dan: its sewers, and we're going to be covering
Dan: more of that when we talk about Chud the
Dan: Edge, mutant Ninja Turtles.
Dan: Exactly Now, one of the things that New
Dan: York is very famous for, and its sewers, is
Dan: alligators.
Gav: Oh, and it's the alligator.
Gav: We covered that.
Dan: Yeah, although that isn't that set in
Dan: Chicago, but even so there is rumours that
Dan: people in the 60s and 70s had alligators as
Dan: pets and then when the law came in, the
Dan: dangerous animal law, and everybody got rid
Dan: of their monkeys and tigers, they flushed
Dan: them down the toilet.
Dan: Now in the UK this is true, because this is
Dan: why we have big cats living out in Cornwall
Dan: and Devon and they are real.
Dan: It's proven.
Dan: They are real.
Dan: It's because people got rid of their and I
Dan: use the term pet loosely because it was
Dan: like the early 80s they brought in this
Dan: little.
Dan: That said, actually it's really dangerous
Dan: to have a chimpanzee or a monkey or a tiger
Dan: as a pet.
Dan: But yes, so the rumour is that people would
Dan: flush their pets down the toilet.
Dan: And actually it's far back as 1932, the New
Dan: York Times reported an alligator was
Dan: sighted in the Bronx River and later on in
Dan: the 30s, some teenagers said they saw one
Dan: crawl out of a sewer and throughout the
Dan: years people still claim to see alligators.
Dan: The sewer workers that go down there say
Dan: they see all sorts and they've claimed to
Dan: see alligators living in the sewers.
Dan: It's never been proven.
Dan: But it's never not been proven either Garth,
Dan: and people do still have crazy pets in New
Dan: York.
Gav: There is a story tigers and shit.
Dan: Yeah, there was that story as a photograph.
Dan: You can look this up, guys listening.
Dan: A photograph of a fireman on a ladder.
Gav: Looking at it.
Dan: And there's a tiger coming out of the
Dan: bathroom window at him, like 20 stories up.
Dan: So somebody had a tiger in their 20 story
Dan: tiny apartment in Brooklyn and wondered why.
Dan: You know, it's gone a bit crazy.
Gav: It makes it Frank.
Gav: No, no, stop the ladder, frank, stop the
Gav: ladder.
Gav: Stop the ladder, it's getting closer to the
Gav: fucking tiger.
Trailer Voice: It's a tiger.
Gav: Just looking at you waiting for dinner.
Dan: But yeah, sewer alligators, man crazy.
Dan: We had the crocodile, the Bristol crocodile,
Dan: didn't we Do?
Trailer Voice: you remember what it is.
Dan: It's never proven and that story sort of
Dan: went away after a while.
Dan: But yeah, I think you always hear about
Dan: these things.
Dan: You hear about goldfish being flushed down
Dan: the toilet and mutating, or Ninja Turtles,
Dan: whoever you want to, whichever story you
Dan: want to go down.
Dan: Now here's a good one about some ghosts,
Dan: some ice skating ghosts.
Gav: Amazing.
Dan: Okay, so this is the story of the Vander
Dan: Vort sisters.
Dan: Now, they were spinsters in 1880 and they
Dan: died within a couple of months of each
Dan: other.
Dan: They were two crazy old ladies, didn't
Dan: speak to anybody other than themselves.
Dan: Sisters, and they died within a couple of
Dan: months of each other.
Dan: And people claim to this day even to spot
Dan: them, one in a red dress and one in a
Dan: purple dress, ice skating in Central Park,
Dan: on the ice rink, nice, in the middle of the
Dan: night, just skating.
Dan: And people say when they see them it's
Dan: always the same story their feet, they
Dan: don't have ice skates on, their feet,
Dan: aren't touching the ice, they're just
Dan: slightly floating above the ice.
Dan: Can you imagine seeing those two sisters?
Dan: I'd never heard of them.
Dan: So, the Vander Vort sisters if you're ever
Dan: in New York and you're in, I don't know why
Dan: you'd be in Central Park at the ice rink at
Dan: two in the morning, unless you're looking
Dan: to get mugged or murdered or worse.
Dan: Then yeah, look out for the Vander Vort
Dan: sisters.
Dan: They'll be ice skating silently, slightly
Dan: above the ice.
Gav: That's pretty cool.
Dan: Now let's skip from ghosts to pirates.
Dan: Splendid, we love pirates, arrr, arrr.
Dan: So we're talking about Captain Kid.
Dan: He was hanged in 1701 for piracy.
Gav: What is his shit name?
Dan: Captain William Kid.
Dan: He's rumoured to have stashed some pirate
Dan: treasure on Liberty Island.
Gav: Captain Kid sounds like a fucking rapper
Gav: from 2023, though he's got all the fucking
Gav: weird toes on his face.
Dan: Yeah, that's true.
Dan: So people have been searching Liberty
Dan: Island for this gold for centuries and no
Dan: one's ever found it.
Dan: I think it's probably not there if no one's
Dan: found it by now, but apparently some people
Dan: say they've seen pirate apparitions
Dan: guarding the area that the gold's supposed
Dan: to be in.
Dan: So I don't know.
Dan: Pirate gold, the goonies, that kind of
Dan: thing on Liberty Island.
Dan: It's cool, sounds cool.
Dan: These are all urban legends that New York
Dan: is famous for.
Gav: Another one there, all of them pretty cool
Gav: though.
Dan: They're all cool, aren't they?
Dan: What about?
Dan: You must have heard of this.
Dan: Next one, then, about people that have died
Dan: at the bottom of the Empire State Building
Dan: because someone's dropped a penny off the
Dan: top of the Empire State Building.
Gav: No, no, please tell me.
Dan: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Dan: So there is a rumour that if you drop a
Dan: penny or any coin off the top of the Empire
Dan: State Building, it'll build up such a
Dan: velocity that it will basically act as a
Dan: bullet by the time it gets to the bottom
Dan: and it will kill some people instantly.
Dan: But this has been proven by science to not
Dan: be possible.
Dan: It will hurt you.
Dan: It will really hurt you.
Gav: It wouldn't have.
Gav: I'll bet you it's because the direct course
Gav: it wouldn't have, direct course it'd be
Gav: going over.
Dan: Yeah, because it hasn't been fired out of a
Dan: gun.
Dan: So it's not real, but it's definitely
Dan: something I used to hear as a kid and in
Dan: fact even when I went to New York.
Dan: On the top of the Empire State Building,
Dan: you know, there's gates up and raining so
Dan: you could never throw anything off anyway.
Dan: But I even thought of it then I thought,
Dan: christ, imagine if I accidentally dropped
Dan: my like can of Coke and I killed someone
Dan: you know.
Dan: Wow, imagine that.
Dan: But that one has been debunked.
Dan: So I'm really sorry.
Dan: There is no such thing as a killer penny.
Dan: But what is real is the more.
Dan: There's a shit horror movie in it the
Dan: Killer Penny.
Gav: Killer walks all the way up to the top and
Gav: just drops a penny off.
Gav: It goes back down.
Dan: It sounds more like an episode of Columbo.
Dan: It sounds more like an episode of Columbo
Dan: to me Sarah's getting me the box out for
Dan: Christmas, Lucky boy so excited.
Gav: Yeah, fucking because for free, free.
Gav: They just fucking taking them all off.
Dan: Oh, I hate when they do that.
Gav: Fuckers.
Dan: So let's move on to something you touched
Dan: on, and that's the mole people, Don't tell
Dan: people oh yeah, the city of the mole people.
Gav: You can tell about the mole people I
Gav: touched.
Dan: Don't talk, don't touch my mole.
Trailer Voice: Oh.
Dan: Yeah, the city of mole people.
Dan: So in all the tunnels beneath New York City
Dan: there is a society, a city of people known
Dan: as the mole people, not because they look
Dan: like moles and they sort of scramble around
Dan: in the dirt, but because they live
Dan: underground.
Gav: This is what I was talking about earlier.
Dan: It's a documentary dog days.
Gav: Check it out.
Gav: It's really good.
Dan: It's really interesting and it's real.
Gav: There's all politics down there Because
Gav: they're like neighbors, legit, like you
Gav: know.
Gav: That's my space, that's your all space.
Gav: Don't come into my space.
Dan: But also part of that that it's not even an
Dan: urban legend, but part of that story is
Dan: what spawned Chud, because some of the
Dan: rumors were before it really got fully
Dan: investigated.
Dan: Some of the rumors were that these were
Dan: like deformed people that live down there
Dan: or cannibals, that kind of thing, so that
Dan: kind of inspired films like Chud.
Dan: But yeah, there is a whole city below a
Dan: city of people that.
Gav: It's not anymore, but yeah.
Dan: It's crazy, crazy, crazy.
Dan: Like Skid Row, but underground.
Gav: People down there like really trying to
Gav: like something, really trying to stay clean,
Gav: and they'd cook down there and have like
Gav: legit cleaning kitchen type of thing they
Gav: had made and you know there was apparently
Gav: a church.
Dan: There was doctors that lived down there.
Dan: It was like what's going on?
Dan: Yeah, Would you want to live under New York
Dan: City?
Gav: Well, it's rent-free but it comes with,
Gav: obviously, rape yeah.
Dan: Yeah, well, let's move on to another ghost
Dan: story, and I'm talking about the Hudson
Dan: River ghost ship.
Dan: So when New York was a very small village,
Dan: many, many years ago, there were reports of
Dan: a spooky ship seen floating on the Hudson
Dan: River.
Gav: Not a spooky ship seen floating on the
Gav: Hudson River.
Gav: Not a ship.
Dan: There was a lot of ships floating in the
Dan: river, but not a spooky one.
Gav: Because that ship is really creepy and
Gav: spooky, but a ship with a P.
Gav: Why would a ship be spooky though A turd?
Gav: How could a turd be spooky, do you think?
Dan: Um, could be sort of white to the ghostly
Dan: face.
Gav: Or it could have like a little fog around
Gav: it as it went.
Dan: Yeah, could be.
Dan: Maybe, Well, over many, many hundreds of
Dan: years.
Dan: People say that if you look carefully and
Dan: if there's enough fog.
Dan: So, basically, if you can't see properly,
Dan: if there's enough fog and it's quite dark,
Dan: you will see If you're short-sighted and
Dan: you take your glasses off and you poke
Dan: yourself in the eyes.
Dan: And you take some drugs.
Dan: Put a blindfold on, you will see the Hudson
Dan: River ghost ship floating around.
Dan: Now what I love about all of these is this
Dan: is all reminding me of like Ghostbusters
Dan: and Ghostbusters 2, and all the ghosts come
Dan: out, you know and start doing everything
Dan: Very much.
Gav: Ghostbusters 2, yeah.
Dan: Yeah, so that's that one and the last one.
Dan: You're going to love this last one.
Dan: This last one is called the Bermuda Car
Dan: Triangle Splendid.
Gav: Splendid.
Dan: Um, now you've heard of the obviously the
Dan: Bermuda Triangle.
Dan: Yeah, ships and planes disappear.
Dan: But in Manhattan there is a phenomenon
Dan: called the Bermuda Car Triangle, and it
Dan: only happened for one year, in 2008,.
Dan: There was a five-block radius near the
Dan: Empire State Building and any car that
Dan: would drive into it instantly broke down.
Gav: Wow, it's just Like a magnetic field going
Gav: on there or something.
Gav: It couldn't work it out.
Dan: And the funny thing is, tow trucks would
Dan: come in, take the car out and then, but
Dan: when it got out of the radius the car would
Dan: start back up again.
Gav: But how come the tow trucks are all right?
Dan: Well, this is the flaw in the story, isn't
Dan: it?
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: It was only cars, trucks, buses and other
Dan: things were fine, yeah, but it was a
Dan: phenomenon that people reported in 2008.
Dan: Right so, the Bermuda Car Triangle.
Dan: So that's my list of New York.
Dan: Oh, that's very good.
Gav: My favourite ones are I bet Bill liked it
Gav: because obviously he's a native.
Dan: He's telling me to say remember the time I
Dan: drove the Statue of Liberty using a
Dan: Nintendo controller.
Gav: That's a weird one.
Dan: Bill, my favourite out of all of these is
Dan: definitely sewer alligators.
Dan: I love a good sewer alligator.
Dan: Yeah, I love a good sewer alligator, not
Dan: when I shit ones, I also love Cropsy.
Dan: I love good Cropsy as well.
Dan: I love a good Cropsy story as well.
Dan: But, yeah, if you ever go to New York, go
Dan: have.
Dan: Yeah, definitely.
Gav: Watch out for these things, check them out
Gav: or watch out for them, whatever you fancy.
Dan: Don't drop your money off the top of the
Dan: Empire State Building, because it won't
Dan: kill anyone, but you'll be skinned.
Gav: Yeah Well, thank you, Bill Dan.
Dan: Bill.
Dan: Any thoughts on that?
Gav: No, we're not going to talk about that.
Gav: That's disgusting.
Gav: Take a saver.
Dan: Okay, let's head off here.
Gav: That's all the time we've got for this week.
Trailer Voice: on World of Strange Next week though gimme
Trailer Voice: iron Hairless pets Weird, we're.
Trailer Voice: Beneath the city of New York are living
Trailer Voice: catacombs, an endless maze of subterranean
Trailer Voice: tunnels unfit for anything human,
Trailer Voice: unauthorized for anything experimental and
Trailer Voice: unlikely to bring anyone down there.
Trailer Voice: So they're coming up.
Trailer Voice: Chud Chud, check your basement and your
Trailer Voice: bathroom, keep off the street and try to
Trailer Voice: hide, but remember the dark is their place,
Trailer Voice: the night is their time, and tomorrow the
Trailer Voice: only things living in the city of New York
Trailer Voice: will be Chud Chud, cannibalistic, humanoid
Trailer Voice: underground dwellers.
Trailer Voice: Chud, they're not staying down there
Trailer Voice: anymore.
Gav: Chud from 1984.
Gav: A bizarre series of sudden disappearances
Gav: on the streets of New York City seems to
Gav: point towards something unsavory like a
Gav: sausage roll living in the sewers.
Gav: I added that Like a sausage roll.
Gav: There's no sausage roll living in the
Gav: sewers.
Dan: Yeah.
Gav: Chud.
Gav: Funny enough, I and he's saying this for
Gav: the first time with Sarah last year and we
Gav: didn't get to the end because ten minutes
Gav: of the ending on Amazon Prime went and the
Gav: soundtrack just went like slow mo, like
Gav: proper slow mo, and I was like what the
Gav: fuck?
Gav: But I thought it was a stalled choice.
Gav: After a while I was like nah, robert Foster
Gav: has not.
Dan: No, he's an alligator An alligator.
Gav: I think of the dude in this, john Hurt.
Dan: John Hurt.
Dan: Kevin McCulloch has just had.
Gav: Yeah, it does not talk, it doesn't talk
Gav: like that, but anyway I was actually more
Gav: familiar and had on videotape and watched
Gav: it quite a lot Chud too.
Gav: But the Chud, yeah, take a type of
Gav: different type of movie, horror comedy,
Gav: where some college kids find it would be
Gav: good for a prank to take a corpse from the
Gav: medical school, the mortuary, and it
Gav: happened, and then revive it, I think, and
Gav: it happens to be, then classes Chud too.
Gav: Nothing like this.
Dan: Well, it wasn't really anything to do with
Dan: Chud.
Dan: No.
Dan: They just added that to the title and
Dan: turned it into a sequel.
Gav: Just used that yeah.
Dan: But yeah, we've seen that type of film lots
Dan: of times, haven't we?
Dan: Yeah, vamp, and there's a bunch of movies
Dan: where they two kids do a college prank and
Dan: then it all goes wrong.
Dan: There's a bunch the creeps.
Gav: Yeah, maybe that should be a subgenre.
Dan: Yeah, college pranks gone wrong.
Gav: Yeah.
Trailer Voice: So this one, yeah, Chud.
Gav: A cannabasic humanoid underground douelard.
Dan: Yeah, or contaminated.
Dan: What was the other thing that stands for
Dan: Contaminated?
Dan: There's another thing that stands for as
Dan: well, that they talk about in this.
Gav: It's a cool name, it's CHU Chud.
Gav: It's great for a video shot, that's for
Gav: sure.
Dan: Especially because you see the word and
Dan: then underneath it you see cannabasic,
Dan: humanoid underground douelard.
Dan: You think, ok, wow, does that tells me
Dan: everything I need to know?
Dan: The fact that then on the front cover there
Dan: was a little sewer peeking up, but instead
Dan: of a friendly Ninja Turtle peeking out, you
Dan: got these glowing eyes and a claw coming
Dan: out Again.
Dan: This is one of those ones.
Dan: I mentioned it earlier.
Dan: You see it in the video shot when you want
Dan: to know what that's about.
Dan: I was talking to our buddy, rj McCready,
Dan: about this earlier today and I said I've
Dan: got a bit of a story with this one because
Dan: it was one of the ones that I always wanted
Dan: to rent.
Dan: And then I feel bad that I tricked my mum
Dan: into renting it for me because she said oh
Dan: no, it's an 18.
Dan: I'm not going to let you watch that one.
Dan: And one afternoon I said to her please,
Dan: please, mum, I think it's related to the
Dan: Ninja Turtles.
Dan: Look at the front cover.
Dan: And she thought, oh, if it's got something
Dan: coming out of the sewer, then he's probably
Dan: right.
Dan: I watched it and I was kind of a bit scared
Dan: of watching it, but it's one that I
Dan: definitely saw as a kid probably a bit too
Dan: young and it's probably the better of the
Dan: two films that we're covering in this
Dan: episode.
Dan: But again it's got a really great plot, a
Dan: lot of political undertones in this to do
Dan: with the underground, the homeless people
Dan: the Uppies Real life.
Gav: pixie in it.
Dan: Real life pixie.
Dan: As a lady, it looks like a pixie, oh, yes,
Dan: yes, she does a bit, doesn't she?
Gav: Well, it looks like a pixie.
Gav: I could get my head around last time with
Gav: Brian May's hair, and this time it's a
Gav: pixie, and it's got a fantastic score as
Gav: well, a really memorable score.
Gav: I wouldn't say memorable, but I'd say
Gav: unique and interesting.
Dan: Yeah, it's got its own score like you, sort
Dan: of its own motif, and it's got some good
Dan: acting in it.
Dan: And let's talk about those actress briefly,
Dan: john.
Gav: Goodman very quickly just thrown that in
Gav: there just the first time I ever roll as a
Gav: cop not acting fairly decent actually.
Dan: But not of an ice cop either.
Gav: A bit of a bit of a.
Gav: But, then gets killed straight away.
Gav: But you only just see a slight reaction,
Gav: that's it.
Gav: But just go just through that in there like
Gav: that.
Dan: And then we get a bit of a home alone
Dan: reunion, because we've got Marv from home
Dan: alone, one of the burglars, daniel Stern as
Dan: the sort of the ambassador for the homeless
Dan: people, and then you've got John Hurd,
Dan: kevin McAllister's dad, who is a
Dan: photographer in New York, and they sort of
Dan: team up along with another guy called
Dan: Captain Bosch.
Gav: Bosch, who is really badly cast.
Gav: He's a great character, though.
Dan: He's not good, he's not well cast, he is
Dan: like a poor man's Tom Atkins.
Gav: It's just, he has nothing going on.
Gav: It's very like.
Dan: I like him, though I really like the
Dan: character.
Dan: I don't know.
Dan: He's probably my favorite character, isn't
Dan: it?
Gav: I don't know, so I don't know, he like
Gav: Christopher George or something.
Dan: But yeah, so he plays Christopher.
Dan: Sorry, he's played by Christopher Curry.
Dan: So you've got three main guys, and then
Dan: you've got also got Lauren, who is Daniel
Dan: Hurd's girlfriend, who's a model as well.
Dan: So we've got a good little cast in this
Dan: great plot and there's a lot of political
Dan: undertones, like I say, a lot of commentary
Dan: on class, the yuppies, all that kind of
Dan: stuff going on it is interesting, speaking
Dan: of the cast, that there is a couple of
Dan: people in it who well, three people really
Dan: gone on to have big acting careers yeah,
Dan: like John Goodman as well.
Gav: I know that's very much just almost a cameo,
Gav: but it's quite interesting where that came
Gav: from and that must be in the production or
Gav: the cast and agents or whatever.
Gav: But not bad, you know.
Dan: And they play very different characters to
Dan: where they end up.
Dan: You know they all end up going into sort of
Dan: family comedies.
Dan: A lot of those go, apart from John Goodman.
Dan: So yeah, it's cool.
Dan: I really like it.
Dan: There was a sequel that we just touched
Dan: about.
Dan: There's nothing to do with this one.
Dan: So if you're going to watch Bud the Chud
Dan: and that's a great title, bud the Chud, but
Dan: it's nothing to do with this this is about
Dan: things living underground and this taps
Dan: into that underground in the sewers thing,
Dan: but also it taps into the mutated radiation
Dan: type thing as well, which was big in the
Dan: big in the fifties actually, but also came
Dan: back a little bit in the seventies and
Dan: eighties with deformed creatures.
Dan: Now the spoiler spoiler here straight away
Dan: is is that these creatures are actually the,
Dan: the homeless people that the government
Dan: have mutated by dumping loads of chemicals
Dan: underground and radioactive waste and over
Dan: the course of however many years, these
Dan: poor homeless people have turned into these
Dan: cannibalistic, humanoid underground
Dan: dwellers that the government then trying
Dan: cover up.
Dan: So again, it's like kind of bit of an
Dan: anti-government punk vibe to it, which was
Dan: very new york in the early 80s punk,
Dan: anti-government, anti-establishment.
Gav: So he's an ate, his fucking New York
Gav: government.
Dan: Yeah, fuck him, fuck the man.
Dan: So we start off with the score which I
Dan: mentioned and we start off with a dog, a
Dan: lady walking your dog in the middle of the
Dan: night I don't know why she's out late
Dan: walking her dog.
Gav: Yeah, it's a big, big, wide open shot of an
Gav: empty road.
Gav: It looks quite nice actually.
Dan: And we see a sewer lid slide open and a
Dan: claw grabs her ankle.
Dan: She screams dog, runs off.
Dan: Title card chud, chud.
Dan: There we are.
Dan: Now that lady is someone that will come
Dan: back, because it turns out that she's
Dan: actually the wife of Captain Bosch Bosch,
Dan: bish, bash, bosch.
Dan: So, but we'll find that out in a few scenes
Dan: time.
Dan: So there we go.
Dan: There's your first bit.
Dan: All that's left of her is a shoe.
Gav: We see lots of the streets in New New York
Gav: now in a day time and a trash lorry when
Gav: the brushes are outside the streets
Gav: Sweepers.
Dan: Sweepers.
Gav: It's going along.
Gav: We follow that for a little while actually.
Dan: Yeah, and it sweeps up the lady's shoe Last
Dan: bit of evidence that she was ever there and
Dan: her shoe's gone.
Dan: We see all the homeless people.
Dan: We see Kevin McCullis's dad who's a really
Dan: annoying photographer.
Gav: Who's such like egotistical stuck up is any
Gav: arse.
Dan: He's got this, so basically his story is
Dan: that I'm an artist.
Dan: Yeah, he's an artist and he's got this
Dan: project that he's doing on the homeless
Dan: people of New York and he's got a
Dan: relationship with some of them as well and
Dan: he's friends with them.
Dan: They let him into his world and he takes
Dan: these sort of documentary pictures, but no
Dan: one's interested in that at the moment.
Dan: People just want to pay him to take
Dan: pictures of models naked and so he does
Dan: that to make his money.
Dan: But when he's doing it, you know, even when
Dan: his girlfriend is doing a perfume
Dan: advertisement, he's still really sort of
Dan: against it all and he's like man, this
Dan: isn't what I'm here to do, I'm here to take.
Dan: You know, I'm here to document the world.
Gav: I tried to figure out this.
Gav: He's done that.
Gav: But I guess on the side she says we take
Gav: photos for me, or he, I think it would be.
Gav: He's been like, look, if you're doing any
Gav: pictures where you're taking clothes off or
Gav: anything like that, I'm the one.
Gav: But then he's like oh, what are we doing
Gav: today?
Gav: Oh, are we doing today ones?
Gav: We take them off.
Gav: That means he's a dog for a time, but does
Gav: that mean when she gets the gig, when her
Gav: agent gets her the gig, does she go?
Gav: The only tipplation is that my boyfriend
Gav: has to take his photos.
Gav: Do you know what I mean?
Gav: That's a bit of a company to be like no,
Gav: fuck off.
Dan: What could?
Gav: it be.
Dan: It could just be that they, either someone
Dan: else, do have their own photographer as
Dan: well, so it could be that, but also it
Dan: could just be that they move in the similar
Dan: circles it could be, I don't know.
Gav: Might be just as a package.
Gav: You just do these gigs, but he's so like
Gav: I'm fucking the shit and it's just he can't
Gav: see past in this bit like, oh, come on, man,
Gav: it's very childish actually, in the way.
Dan: But the first time he talks to his
Dan: girlfriend she is putting makeup on her
Dan: bottom because she's got a pimple on her
Dan: butt.
Dan: Cheek.
Dan: Yep and he's laughing at her and she says
Dan: I've got to go off and I'm gonna have my
Dan: butt photographed today so I can't have a
Dan: pimple on there.
Dan: He's got a phone, so and she says where's
Dan: my jewellery?
Dan: And he says what?
Dan: It's in the basement.
Dan: She says what?
Dan: So you've brought all your photographic
Dan: equipment up here because they've just
Dan: moved into this apartment, but you haven't
Dan: brought up any of mine.
Dan: He's just like go get it yourself.
Dan: He's a bit of a dick.
Gav: Yeah, and he's got a deadline as a phone
Gav: message for him, because he doesn't answer
Gav: the phone because he's too big for that,
Gav: and he's got a deadline, which just do
Gav: keeps hassling him for through the out of
Gav: the film.
Dan: And she goes to the basement.
Gav: He's an artist, don't you know?
Dan: Don't you know?
Dan: She goes to the basement to collect her
Dan: jewellery and she hears a scratching sound
Dan: coming from a grating so are the fucking
Dan: rats up here.
Dan: The rats above cams head.
Gav: Scratchy, scratchy.
Gav: There's a chance we might hear them at some
Gav: point.
Dan: And then her neighbour outside.
Dan: Her neighbour sees something in the trash
Dan: pile moving and screams, so we get the
Dan: sense that there's definitely something
Dan: under the ground.
Dan: Already Cut to the police headquarters, the
Dan: cop shop, and Captain Bosch is there, and
Dan: there's more and more reports coming in of
Dan: missing people.
Dan: But because they're homeless people they
Dan: don't really keep too much of a track of
Dan: them, and in fact some of the police say
Dan: it's not that important though, if a few
Dan: homeless people go missing, is it?
Gav: We've skipped past short-short-head Pixie
Gav: lady.
Dan: Of course, sorry, I do apologise.
Gav: Yeah, it's her his neighbour.
Dan: She's the one that sees the trash pile,
Dan: yeah she does look like a Pixie.
Dan: Little Pixie.
Dan: Yeah, she's the landlady of the whole
Dan: building, isn't she?
Gav: Oh is she.
Dan: Yeah, so the police basically don't really
Dan: care that they don't really care that all
Dan: these people are going missing.
Dan: But Captain Bosch he's been good captain
Dan: that he is he suspects there's more to this
Dan: story and actually we find out his wife's
Dan: been missing for a day and she was the lady
Dan: at the beginning who was dragged into the
Dan: sewer by a chud, excuse me.
Dan: So he goes to his captain and he says look,
Dan: I know you think that it doesn't count, but
Dan: there's so many underground people that are
Dan: moving that are disappearing and vanishing.
Dan: I think there's more to this.
Dan: We've got to investigate this, actually
Dan: make a horror version of the Wombles.
Dan: I did not expect you to come out with that,
Dan: rob zombies, the Wombles, wombles, rob
Dan: Wombles.
Trailer Voice: Rob.
Gav: Wombles.
Gav: I'm gonna change my name to Rob Wombles.
Dan: Brilliant, hi, I'm Robert Wombles.
Dan: Nice to meet you.
Dan: Um, do you think like when he goes places,
Dan: people are like, oh, mr Zombie, nice to
Dan: meet you.
Gav: Yeah yeah, they can.
Gav: After that he's good of.
Gav: I presume he's changed his name legit.
Gav: What dickhead To show.
Gav: Moon zombie, moon zombie, yeah.
Dan: Oh god, how do we always come up to back to
Dan: Rob Zombie?
Dan: I don't know but bless them.
Gav: They're doing whatever they want and
Gav: they're happy.
Dan: So they bring this crazy homeless man in
Dan: and they interview him and Captain Bosch is
Dan: speaking to him and he says come on, tell
Dan: me what's going on.
Dan: Then he says creatures, there's creatures
Dan: underground.
Dan: And he just pulls out this big, giant knife
Dan: in the middle of the police station and
Dan: starts stabbing it into the table and
Dan: rather than sort of shoot him or arrest him,
Dan: they sort of will just back off and go oh
Dan: gosh, he's got a bit of a story to tell,
Dan: hasn't he?
Gav: Doesn't feel like the typical film American
Gav: cop we would see in here is trigger happy.
Dan: So, george, who is John Hurd, who is Kevin
Dan: Macalester's dad, he's got a relationship
Dan: with this person and he bells them out.
Dan: I love.
Gav: You had to explain to three different
Gav: categories of people there the home alone
Gav: fans.
Dan: The people who know him by his acting name
Dan: and his character in this.
Dan: He bells her out because he's got a bit of
Dan: relationship with her and you know she's.
Dan: He takes photos of her, which all sounds
Dan: very creepy, but he's doing it for his sort
Dan: of documentary sort of thing, that he's
Dan: doing his project.
Dan: And she says, like what, what were you
Dan: doing?
Dan: Why did you get arrested?
Dan: She says, oh, I tried to take that cop's
Dan: gun.
Dan: I need it for self-defense.
Dan: There's things going on underground that
Dan: you know all us guys, as homeless guys, we
Dan: need weapons.
Dan: So guns, knives, anything we can we need to
Dan: defend ourselves.
Dan: So he says well, look, let me walk you back
Dan: to the cave that you live in, like the
Dan: opening to the entrance to the underground
Dan: bit.
Dan: So while they're walking along, another cop
Dan: starts following him because he suspects
Dan: hmm, why is he belled her out?
Dan: This is all a bit weird.
Dan: I'm going to follow this guy and see what's
Dan: going on.
Gav: Before be very, very, very, very quick,
Gav: jumping back very much.
Gav: Daniel Stern is talked to by old Dick Dick,
Gav: whatever his name is.
Dan: His name is Captain Bosch.
Gav: his name is Captain Bosch is talked to and
Gav: he explains to him that I've got a group of
Gav: people I've not seen recently, the homeless
Gav: group.
Gav: It's like 12 of them I've not seen for like
Gav: two weeks.
Gav: They come up here every day for soup and I
Gav: have not seen them.
Gav: And it's only my underground people.
Gav: Do you understand?
Gav: Only the underground ones?
Dan: so that mystery element is thrown in there
Dan: as well, yeah, because he he's called the
Dan: Reverend Daniel Stern because he's a bit of
Dan: a like a cult leader.
Gav: he basically he's doing good deal as
Gav: detectives, like kind of like what you're
Gav: up to and merely.
Gav: I don't know his backstory but the text is
Gav: like a bit of a dick at first.
Dan: Yeah, but then he realizes all this guy is
Dan: trying to do is feed these, these homeless
Dan: people, and he knows them all so well.
Dan: He knows that some of them don't like to
Dan: come out, so he leaves like sandwiches in
Dan: certain holes for them in the ground so
Dan: that they can come and eat it and stuff.
Gav: He's a good guy and he's those rats and
Gav: have them straight away.
Dan: They would.
Dan: The chuds will definitely eat them.
Dan: Basket case well probably puts me like a
Dan: thing.
Dan: What would happen if basket case and chud
Dan: sort of bumped into each other at a tunnel
Dan: under New York?
Dan: I actually think basket case might win.
Gav: Maybe he's a bit of a psycho.
Dan: But yeah, you're right.
Dan: He tells him it's only the people that live
Dan: underground, the other homeless people that
Dan: live on the streets.
Dan: They're not disappearing.
Dan: It's like the people underground.
Dan: So this is also untied together now.
Dan: But yeah, so going back to Ruru sorry,
Dan: you're right, I did jump ahead a little bit
Dan: there so he walks her back to her thing and
Dan: they go through some tunnels together and
Dan: Kevin McAllister's like oh god, why am I
Dan: crawling for all this shit?
Gav: The dude the reason they go down there.
Gav: Well, they get to.
Gav: I think the dude's got the real bad cup
Gav: where they get to when they get to that
Gav: point, he's got a whitest teeth ever for a
Gav: homeless man yeah so what the fuck?
Dan: Well, they go through lots of tunnels, some
Dan: big, some tiny.
Dan: We see lots of different people living
Dan: underground.
Gav: Boss says.
Gav: He says why have you got such an interest
Gav: in this man?
Gav: And Boss says like uh, my wife, she went
Gav: missing.
Dan: Yeah, that's right, and they've met.
Dan: They also meet Victor, who's under ground
Dan: with the injury he's got pretty bad.
Dan: He says if you've got a gun, I want a gun.
Dan: His leg is really fucked because he's been
Dan: attacked by a chud although we don't know
Dan: what they're called at this point but he's
Dan: been attacked.
Dan: So yeah, boss, his wife is missing and they
Dan: start to discuss this EPA probe, which is
Dan: the Environmental Protection Agency's
Dan: investigation that's been going on.
Dan: Now.
Dan: It should have only gone on for two weeks,
Dan: but it's been going on for about six weeks.
Dan: So the government obviously think there's
Dan: more under New York than just, you know,
Dan: the usual two weeks, make sure there's
Dan: nothing bad under there, which they do once
Dan: a year, and that's it.
Gav: They find a gaga counter and pick it up and
Gav: it goes off the chain.
Gav: It's a bit like straight away, like get the
Gav: fuck out of here, let's go.
Dan: I love this team up now where you've got
Dan: this like leader of the homeless guys and
Dan: Captain.
Gav: Boss, I just wish the detective was better
Gav: at the cast.
Dan: I know what you mean but that side is it's
Dan: a cool little detective story almost this
Dan: part of it really you know there's a murder
Dan: mystery.
Dan: You're like what's happened then?
Gav: why is there a guy behind the set?
Gav: It's a shame because it could have been.
Gav: All the other castings pretty good.
Gav: Is it real shame?
Dan: Yeah, and then we end that scene with a
Dan: growling sound and they sort of get the
Dan: fuck out of there.
Dan: Now Kevin McAllister's model girlfriend
Dan: tells him she is pregnant and they discuss
Dan: it.
Dan: What do we do?
Dan: What do we do?
Dan: And she says, well, what do you want to do?
Dan: He's like, well, I want to keep it.
Dan: And she's like, well, then, we'll keep it.
Dan: So they're very happy.
Gav: Yeah, he ain't going to give a fuck about
Gav: that kid.
Gav: I'm too, busy.
Gav: I'm taking pictures.
Gav: He is not going to give a shit and they are
Gav: going to break up.
Gav: That's there.
Gav: I've seen it.
Gav: Seen it in the cards already.
Dan: So we get a little bit of backstory for
Dan: those two there.
Dan: So we now know that she is pregnant, so we
Dan: get that extra little bit of vulnerability
Dan: for her character throughout this film
Dan: early stages but even so, she's still
Dan: pregnant.
Dan: Cut to an old man and a little girl, which
Dan: sounds weird, but let me yeah they get,
Dan: they get lost.
Dan: They're lost in New York, like home alone
Dan: too.
Dan: And they go in a phone booth and he rings
Dan: up whoever he's calling and says look,
Dan: we're lost, we don't know where we are.
Dan: Can you come and collect us?
Dan: I'm I've got my granddaughter with me here.
Dan: Can somebody come and help us please?
Dan: And while this is happening she spots the
Dan: little girl, spots a chud coming out of the
Dan: sewers, and she's scared, but before she
Dan: can say anything to her grandpa, we see its
Dan: face, yeah, very quickly.
Dan: It's great, though looks good yeah, it's
Dan: got like bright yellow eyes, that sort of
Dan: go in different directions.
Dan: Yeah, I was into it.
Dan: It's like a cross between Nosferatu and I
Dan: don't know.
Dan: Really, it's just very slimy looking
Dan: monster, looks good.
Dan: Not what I remembered them looking like as
Dan: well.
Dan: In my head they're more like the basket
Dan: case, but they're not.
Dan: They're actually like well, humanoid,
Dan: cannibalistic, humanoid underground
Dan: dwellers.
Dan: Um so yeah, another death, uh.
Dan: And then we the little girl was in the
Dan: police station and they're saying bosh,
Dan: this man, this old, this little girl, says
Dan: a monster ate her grandfather.
Dan: And he's like what right, we're going to
Dan: start a search immediately.
Dan: And he springs into action and he starts a,
Dan: you know, assembling a crew of people and
Dan: they're looking at him like one earth.
Dan: Why is he so into this?
Dan: story about a monster avengers assemble
Dan: chud chud basher is assembled chud basher
Dan: that could be another thing um, at school,
Dan: when I was, uh, at school, if someone was a
Dan: bit of a sort of, if you wanted to call
Dan: someone a name, you'd sort of go oh, you're
Dan: such a chud, you need to call people chuds.
Dan: Oh, really, you're such a chud.
Dan: Same, same sort of time as we used to call
Dan: people stig dweeb, and we call people
Dan: dweebs, dorks, chuds, all these sort of
Dan: things dickheads gribo, that is all oh, we
Dan: never really had gribo, yeah gribo, we
Dan: didn't have that one it stuck for one of my
Dan: friends, though he's still called gribo.
Dan: Hope it's now funny enough oh, poor guy, is
Dan: he cannibalistic don't know is he?
Gav: humanoid last time, I'm sorry cruised, oh
Gav: so, yeah.
Dan: So captain boss brings into action and, um,
Dan: he goes to talk to marv again from home
Dan: alone and he says um, marv says right,
Dan: that's it, we're going to go and speak to
Dan: the man.
Dan: We need to present some evidence to city
Dan: office and tell them about all these
Dan: homeless people that are missing and that
Dan: there's more to this story than meets the
Dan: eye.
Dan: And now a grandfather's been killed as well.
Dan: And boss says yeah, don't forget my wife as
Dan: well.
Dan: They're like right, let's go, let's go to
Dan: city hall and tell them about this.
Dan: And they're going to show the geiger
Dan: counter as well and explain about the
Dan: radioactivity.
Dan: It gets very, very tense, but they're not.
Dan: They're kind of their story isn't really
Dan: fully listened to, as you would expect.
Dan: It's kind of like when the ghostbusters go
Dan: speak to the mayor yeah it's that kind of
Dan: story.
Dan: No one's interested in it.
Dan: Uh, meanwhile, loren and george celebrating
Dan: their um pregnancy by having some champagne
Dan: in the park.
Dan: Probably not a good idea for her to be
Dan: drinking, to be honest, but it was the 80s
Dan: yeah 80s different rules.
Dan: And while they're having their picnic, a
Dan: reporter sneaks up on them and says mr
Dan: wayscote from before yeah, he says listen,
Dan: I need to speak to you.
Dan: The police have been tailing you and they
Dan: want to know what your connection to these
Dan: homeless people is.
Dan: There's a story at work here.
Dan: I'm a reporter and there's something going
Dan: on with the homeless people going missing.
Dan: It's something to do with radioactive waste,
Dan: but they want to hide the evidence.
Dan: They want, don't want, anyone to know about
Dan: it.
Dan: You interested, you interested, mm-hmm.
Dan: He says I want to know all about these bums,
Dan: bums, oh yeah, the homeless people.
Dan: Yeah, not your bum, it's the bottom.
Dan: You perked my interests.
Dan: I want to know about your bum.
Dan: He says we think it's something nuclear,
Dan: it's.
Dan: It's always something's going down.
Dan: So he peaks kevin mcconnell's interest here,
Dan: because he's, although he's a photographer,
Dan: he's a bit of a a journalist as well, isn't
Dan: he?
Dan: He kind of documents what's going on with
Dan: these homeless people and he's got an
Dan: interest in it as well.
Dan: So he thinks, hmm, okay, maybe I'll, maybe
Dan: I'll listen to this reporter and see what's
Dan: going on.
Dan: Yeah, so back in the office they're
Dan: discussing the sightings of a monster.
Dan: Now they've got all the the mayor and all
Dan: of the people from high up in the city and
Dan: in this room you've got captain bosh and
Dan: then a homeless looking guy boy with a
Dan: suitcase full of weird photos.
Gav: You're not going to listen to what these
Gav: guys are saying, that they're telling you
Gav: there's monsters under the city no you're
Gav: not, so you've got to admire bosh for
Gav: trying it's a bit weird way things I'll
Gav: take this home is doing with me.
Gav: It's going to help well, they.
Dan: So, um they.
Dan: He finds the file, because marv kicks off
Dan: and he runs out the office and he finds the
Dan: bosh finds a file with chud written on the
Dan: top of it and he says what is this?
Dan: What's this about?
Dan: Cannibalistic, humanoid, underground
Dan: dweller, what earth is this?
Dan: Um?
Dan: And they take bosh down to a mortuary and
Dan: say, look, this is just between you and us,
Dan: but this is, this is a creature that we
Dan: think is killed some people.
Dan: And it's pretty cool, because you don't see
Dan: the creature really.
Dan: You see in reflection of his hazmat suit,
Dan: don't you?
Gav: oh, because it all goes a bit predator too.
Gav: They just send these guys down there and
Gav: they're.
Gav: They're up on a screen watching them.
Dan: It's so predator too oh yeah, but that
Dan: that's in just a moment.
Dan: Yeah, okay, sorry.
Gav: Before that, though, marv is outside and
Gav: he's trying to make a phone call oh, you
Gav: mean when they go down they say they've
Gav: caught one, and they go down and they
Gav: actually look at it.
Dan: Yeah yeah, that's, very much.
Gav: Yeah, it's just a reflection of it, yeah
Gav: and.
Dan: But while while that's going on, there's a
Dan: weird moment where marv is trying to make a
Dan: phone call but because he's been tailed by
Dan: these like fbi guys, one of them just takes
Dan: them the penny off of him so he can't put
Dan: it in the phone uh, the payphone and he
Dan: just swallows the coin.
Dan: It doesn't say anything bosh's guys.
Gav: Yeah, yeah, because the reason why,
Gav: basically, bosh is told not to send any
Gav: guys down there, because he goes okay, just
Gav: sends the people down and he goes whoa,
Gav: how'd you know, that's the only one.
Gav: And he goes no, no, no, no, it's fine, it's
Gav: fine he said.
Dan: He said he's the only one, don't worry, gas
Dan: choke on gas, so be fine.
Dan: So just send all guys go down there.
Gav: So then bosh bosh is all like, uh, all
Gav: sneaky like, and gets his group of men's
Gav: down there already yeah, because he says
Gav: I'm a commando team.
Dan: He says I want to send a crack unit down
Dan: there with flamethrowers, not just like
Dan: with guns what if there is gas, though?
Gav: isn't that really a bad idea?
Gav: Yes, it's.
Dan: I want to send them with flamethrowers.
Gav: I don't want them wearing shell suits
Gav: anything like go home, go home, go direct
Gav: traffic bosh don't worry, they'll have a
Gav: canary with them.
Dan: Um, he wants to send them down that's why
Dan: they've got the gas masks.
Dan: He says, just in case there's more than one
Dan: of them, because he now knows that there's
Dan: definitely at least one one of these
Dan: monsters.
Dan: But they overrule him and say, no, that's
Dan: not happening.
Dan: Yeah we're sending out, don't send down
Dan: down flamethrowers there's, they've got gas
Dan: masks, because there's gas so it's a good
Dan: little chest move here now because they
Dan: override him and they say we've got our own
Dan: men going down there now.
Dan: And while they're down there on their their
Dan: video cameras, suddenly all of bosh's dudes
Dan: show up with flamethrowers and they're like
Dan: who are these guys?
Dan: And he's like they're my men.
Dan: And they're like no, no, you can't have
Dan: them down here.
Dan: And he says they're not happy about, we're
Dan: not happy with bosh, what you're gonna do
Dan: about it yeah, we're already here, but
Dan: again, though, there's a reason.
Gav: There's gas.
Gav: Flamethrower is bad.
Gav: I don't think we've written till now.
Dan: Ridiculous, what well, he says to them what
Dan: are you gonna do?
Dan: Your men have got video cameras, my men
Dan: have got flamethrowers brilliant you would
Dan: win so, yeah, it has gone all predator two
Dan: really has um.
Gav: One thing those cameras would be really
Gav: fucking heavy, yeah.
Gav: Another thing is you'd need a long cable.
Gav: It's 1984.
Gav: You're not talking about a little pocket
Gav: phone you're not transmitting it yeah and
Gav: if you are, it's gonna take run off so much
Gav: battery.
Gav: You'd need the electric probably, so it's
Gav: good, probably wired yeah well they they.
Dan: They actually come across a chud and they
Dan: burn it um, but it seems to survive the
Dan: fire, um, and it starts killing the
Dan: cameraman.
Dan: It's a bit like aliens as well.
Gav: The camera shut off it's funny because this
Gav: is before aliens yeah that's kind of cool
Gav: actually, um, and then there's camera
Gav: signal, probably because of all the leads,
Gav: I'm guessing probably yeah.
Dan: I need really long leads.
Dan: Well, they take this footage of these men
Dan: dying back to city hall and say right, I
Dan: told you there was something going on down
Dan: there.
Dan: There's creatures down there.
Dan: They've just killed a bunch of government
Dan: officials.
Dan: Uh, I want permission to go to war against
Dan: these chuds, these cannibalistic humanoid
Dan: underground dwellers to war yeah, I want to
Dan: go to war much.
Dan: Um now, george Kevin McAllister, dad, he
Dan: realizes someone's broken into his
Dan: apartment while all this is going on
Dan: because, in order to get the evidence they
Dan: needed, marv and captain Bosch Bosch have
Dan: broken into his apartment and stolen stolen,
Dan: all the photos of homeless people.
Dan: So he's aware, the hell are all my photos.
Dan: This is crazy.
Dan: And he says to his girlfriend have you seen
Dan: them?
Dan: She's like no, I don't know where they are.
Dan: And he's like well, someone's broken into
Dan: our apartment.
Dan: Marv and Bosch meet up again.
Dan: Bosch, big Bosch, stop saying this.
Dan: I'll help you if you're drinking while you
Dan: listen.
Dan: Every time gav says Bosch in this
Dan: particular way please take a swig.
Dan: Uh.
Dan: So Bosch tells marv about the monster
Dan: autopsy and says I've seen one of them.
Dan: They're real.
Dan: They showed me the body.
Dan: Um, this is, this is real and I'm getting,
Dan: I'm putting together a war.
Gav: I'm getting a war started against these
Gav: chud things underground and marv's like
Gav: it's like a jaws moment where they go right,
Gav: let's just go down there now.
Gav: So, uh, let's go like out now in the water,
Gav: like in jaws, that one pump they're drunk
Gav: yeah let's do it, let's go, let's go, let's
Gav: go.
Dan: What now?
Dan: Yeah, okay, cool, um.
Dan: So they go to the sewer.
Dan: Meanwhile, while that's happening, george
Dan: and the reporters go to the sewer as well.
Dan: So they're going to go down there and find
Dan: out what's going on.
Dan: But the reporter gets killed by a chud chud
Dan: chud, chud, chud, chud, chud, chud, chud,
Dan: chud.
Dan: Um Bosch in city hall finds out that the
Dan: government are going to flood sewers with
Dan: gas and he's thinking I've got flame powers
Dan: down there.
Dan: This isn't good and what they're planning
Dan: to do is just gas them all, any that might
Dan: be left over.
Dan: But what they don't realize is is that the
Dan: reporter and marv are down there sorry
Dan: reporter and Kevin McCann is just out of
Dan: down there.
Dan: So they're going to kill some innocence as
Dan: well, as well as all the homeless people
Dan: that live down there, and this is the point
Dan: that they don't care about the homeless
Dan: people no they just want to hide the
Dan: problem, hide the nuclear waste, hide the
Dan: mutation isn't hiding the problem the
Dan: government of the homeless, something
Dan: they've always done
Dan: yeah, really yeah.
Dan: Oh, gas, getting political guys.
Dan: Oh, anything else you want to say?
Dan: No, I love it.
Dan: Um, yeah, chud kills the reporter.
Dan: George runs off, um marv tries to find
Dan: another exit and he sees he accidentally
Dan: comes across like six chuds who seem to be
Dan: doing some kind of like ritual, like
Dan: they're praying or doing something.
Dan: They've got all got their arms up in the
Dan: air and they're also going uh um, yeah,
Dan: that's a really cool moment.
Gav: I wish I'd lingered on that for longer,
Gav: because he's really cool he peeps around
Gav: the corner, doesn't he's?
Dan: like 70s Italian and then he goes back and
Dan: then he sneaks out, but then he acts that
Dan: he makes a noise with his foot and they all
Dan: turn around so he runs off.
Dan: Uh, cut back to pregnant Lauren, who's
Dan: she's now found this trap door in her
Dan: basement.
Dan: She thinks hmm trap door oh good, there's
Dan: something down.
Dan: There was a.
Dan: There was an animated kid show.
Dan: For anyone who's not from the UK, there's
Dan: an animated kid show, uh claim to claim
Dan: motion yeah, claymation.
Dan: Stop motion animation about um.
Dan: It was called trap door and it's brilliant.
Dan: Each episode was only four minutes long and
Dan: it was about a guy called Burke, a big,
Dan: round blue creature, and he basically lived
Dan: in a castle with bones and a little skull
Dan: called bony um, and upstairs you never
Dan: heard what, you never saw him, but you only
Dan: ever heard his voice.
Dan: He always wanted feeding, so Burke would
Dan: have to get something at the trap door for
Dan: him.
Dan: In each episode, in every episode,
Dan: something would come out a different animal
Dan: creature, ghost, zombie whatever it was,
Dan: sort of get it back in it was brilliant.
Dan: It was so simple.
Dan: Yeah, that's it, that was it, but yeah,
Dan: that's what we were singing there.
Dan: Trap door, there's a bit on youtube, easy
Dan: to find.
Dan: Yeah, stoners, stoners, you love it but
Dan: yeah, she decides it's probably a good idea
Dan: to go down into this trap door underneath
Dan: her basement and she finds the dead dog
Dan: from the beginning of the film.
Dan: So she screams, she's not happy about it.
Dan: Um morning comes and Bosch and the cops
Dan: have been called out.
Dan: This is brutal.
Dan: Been called to the the docks because, uh,
Dan: someone's found a body it's right.
Dan: His acting doesn't make it a fit scene
Dan: brutal, so it's fine and as they get closer,
Dan: one of the cops says oh my god, it's his
Dan: wife's head, it's.
Gav: Bosch's wife's head, just that.
Gav: Oh, bosch isn't too bobbas it's fine.
Dan: Well, he is.
Dan: Because he goes straight to a bar and gets
Dan: absolutely shit-faced and the cops are like,
Dan: uh, should we just take you home soon?
Dan: He's like no, no, no, he's gonna have
Dan: another drink.
Dan: It's fine.
Gav: Um, meanwhile, Lauren calls it's better
Gav: than him sorry, uh.
Dan: Meanwhile, um, lauren calls the cops and
Dan: says there is a mutilated dog under my
Dan: basement.
Dan: Someone's put it there, please, it's
Dan: creeping me out, can someone come?
Dan: Um?
Dan: And while she's on the phone, something
Dan: creeps out of her trap door.
Dan: So because she feels a bit dirty, gav, and
Dan: because it's a 1984 film, she decides to go
Dan: and have a shower she's dirty, so I thought
Dan: the corner of her trap door she's dirty, so
Dan: she's gonna have a shower.
Dan: Yes, all sorts of wrong here so she's
Dan: having a lovely shower and suddenly the
Dan: shower plug seems to be clogged up, doesn't
Dan: it?
Dan: Yeah do you think so?
Dan: Yeah, I'll have to put my hands down here
Dan: and unclog this uh this train and loads of
Dan: blood fires out of the shower drain into
Dan: her face, but it's good always good blood
Dan: splurts in the face and here is john
Dan: goodman in the next scene in his first ever
Dan: film lection on a woman yeah, so he's a cop
Dan: with some other cops in a bit of a cafe.
Gav: He's got some quick, quick comebacks yeah.
Dan: She says, oh, you're really asking for it,
Dan: and he came up for it himself I'm not sure.
Dan: There's one point where he's really
Dan: flirting with the bum and serving them and
Dan: she says oh, you're really asking for it.
Dan: He says I've been asking for it all my life.
Dan: I just never get it.
Dan: It's like are you being a real pervert?
Dan: You're supposed to be a cop.
Dan: What's going on?
Dan: Well, anyway, he gets his comeuppance
Dan: because just before he can eat his
Dan: cheeseburger and say any more perverted
Dan: lines he reacts he reacts to something
Dan: that's it that's it.
Dan: Some chuds come in and they're massacred
Dan: all the cops.
Gav: We don't know that.
Dan: We don't see any of that we see that a bit
Dan: later on, yeah, so he's out unfortunately.
Dan: My note here says the chuds surround the
Dan: hamburger bar yeah that's exactly what
Dan: happens.
Gav: We just hear lots of screaming which, if
Gav: you're in there eating a hamburger, it's a
Gav: good burger.
Gav: You're like, man, this comes in top 10.
Gav: And you're like this is gonna be top five,
Gav: all bugs, and like this is gonna be top
Gav: three.
Gav: At that point, you're just going down to go.
Gav: Could this be top one?
Gav: At that point, chuds of attacking outside
Gav: do you not even looking?
Gav: Do you continue the burger?
Trailer Voice: are you?
Dan: do you harry you see, I'm can die happy
Dan: because I've eaten the best burger in new
Dan: york.
Dan: True true I don't care if he's chudging
Dan: then, then worry about it.
Dan: Worry about it with indigestion in a moment
Dan: now we get a real it's halion sort of style
Dan: scene next, with a little boy who is
Dan: playing in his apartment the same apartment
Dan: block that the chuds have come out of the
Dan: sewer's in and he hears banging on the door.
Dan: Something's trying to get in his apartment
Dan: and he thinks oh, I'll unlock it, but he
Dan: can't reach it.
Gav: No, and then his mum's like jimmy, jimmy,
Gav: come and get your dinner and I cross that
Gav: kid that kids could be running the street
Gav: as soon as he can he's never heard of
Gav: stranger danger, is he?
Dan: he's just he's getting in people's vans
Dan: left right in center for freeing off well,
Dan: he runs off to his dinner.
Dan: But then he runs back at the last minute
Dan: because he forgot his toy car.
Dan: But, um, luckily nothing happened.
Dan: And as he runs off into the other room, the
Dan: door bursts open and the chud's arms come
Dan: through.
Dan: So there's now a chud impression.
Dan: So there's now a chud bursting into his
Dan: apartment and probably other apartments in
Dan: the block as well.
Dan: Now, back at the diner, we see the
Dan: aftermath of the thing they never showed.
Dan: They showed us all the press are there, all
Dan: reporters, cops, and it's a blood bath.
Gav: There's blood everywhere, there's a radio
Gav: dj, like sort of saying over the top to
Gav: make the plot even a little bit more, like
Gav: well, what's going on here?
Gav: They're sort of saying like there's, uh,
Gav: there's, it's really weird, there's.
Dan: There's no bodies, there's no witnesses,
Dan: just blood everywhere yeah, and they sort
Dan: of say, oh, it's a gas.
Dan: I think it's a gas explosion.
Dan: Why?
Gav: is it gas every time?
Dan: it's like weather balloons, whenever
Dan: something happens to the government or like
Dan: it's a weather balloon it's like it's.
Gav: It's like uh uh aeroplane gag or something.
Gav: Do you know what I mean?
Gav: A bloome, don't gas.
Dan: Bloome, don't gas, it's just gas no, I saw
Dan: the chud, the chud, ate my leg in front of
Dan: me.
Dan: No, let's just gas.
Dan: It was gas.
Dan: It's just gas, my friend, just gas.
Dan: But yes, blood everywhere.
Dan: No bodies.
Dan: Meanwhile, george is still on the ground
Dan: and he finds lots and lots and lots of dead
Dan: bodies.
Dan: Um, I was half a homeless person.
Dan: You what?
Dan: Sorry?
Dan: Oh yeah, he finds half.
Dan: I thought you said I was half a homeless
Dan: person Months, I thought you were revealing
Dan: some which half.
Gav: It's like a sexual thing.
Gav: I get I sort of dress, half of me sort of
Gav: more, like more freddy clothes, sort of
Gav: different clothing.
Dan: I was once half of a Bandsome horse.
Dan: I was once half of a homeless person yeah,
Dan: great.
Dan: So the plan to pump the gas into the series
Dan: is still going ahead.
Dan: Bosch tries to stop it because he also
Dan: knows that his buddies are under them.
Dan: And Lauren sees all of this happening on
Dan: the news and they again.
Dan: They say a gas explosion is to blame for
Dan: all these dead cops in a grill bar.
Dan: No, is it, though?
Dan: Is it really?
Dan: Is it really so?
Dan: The chud start coming after Lauren, she
Dan: blocks the door, and then we cut back and
Dan: forth between her and what's going on at
Dan: the diner here and the surrounding area,
Dan: because the cops get killed.
Dan: George and Marr find some nuclear waste.
Dan: So this is the cause of it all.
Dan: Yep, and what's been happening for years is
Dan: that the government have just been chucking
Dan: all their nuclear waste under New York.
Dan: No, just not Not caring about what happens
Dan: to it, who it mutates into, a chud or
Dan: anything.
Dan: Don't care about giant alligators on
Dan: injured turtles or chuds living under the
Dan: sewers, don't care.
Dan: Don't care about the homeless people, but
Dan: they just they need to find a way to let
Dan: people know that they're underground.
Gav: Come back to Lauren's apartment and you can
Gav: really see the chuds like really clearly
Gav: here.
Gav: They look great.
Dan: Yeah, they're.
Dan: It is really good practical effects.
Dan: Mutant red eyes yeah, and it's a guy in a
Dan: suit, but just looks great.
Gav: One of them's head's going to really
Gav: stretch his fur out, which is really weird,
Gav: and she just gets a bat and just saw what
Gav: she gets something and she cuts it off.
Dan: She gets a samurai sword off of him Ah cool.
Dan: And she chops his head off and it's a great
Dan: shot and in fact the head looks great when
Dan: it rolls across the ground and the eyes are
Dan: still sort of glowing.
Dan: Yeah, just so happens, they have a samurai
Dan: sword hanging on the wall.
Dan: Yeah, it's good to have one of those, just
Dan: in case.
Gav: Dude escapes from the drains.
Dan: Yeah, well, don't forget, lauren steals a
Dan: police car.
Dan: She's such a badass that she steals a
Dan: police car because she wants to go and
Dan: rescue.
Dan: You know her, her bloke.
Dan: So she's stolen a police car.
Dan: Amongst all of this nonsense, yeah, they
Dan: want to get out, but they park a car on top
Dan: of the sewer.
Dan: The police do so that the guys can get out
Dan: of the sewers.
Dan: Bosch gets shot and it all is.
Dan: You know, like some films we say they, they,
Dan: the third act was a bit, it dragged a bit
Dan: too much.
Dan: Yeah, but for me the third act goes too
Dan: quickly.
Dan: It all happened so quickly.
Dan: It wraps up in the last 15 minutes, so much
Dan: goes on.
Dan: Offer the dragon myself.
Dan: Oh, really, yeah, okay, well, they
Dan: eventually fight their way out.
Dan: The guy that the sort of not the mayor, but
Dan: the man in the office is trying to stop all
Dan: of this and cover it all up, he rams his
Dan: truck at them.
Gav: Why?
Gav: Oh yeah, because it's trying to cover up.
Dan: Yeah, but they they end up shooting him.
Dan: The whole truck explodes.
Dan: Bosch is actually still alive, even though
Dan: he got shot.
Dan: He's lying there on the ground, marv's
Dan: helping him and Lauren and George kiss as
Dan: the van burns behind them.
Dan: Quite a nice shot and real practical.
Dan: They actually set a van on fire Again.
Dan: You wouldn't do these, do that these days,
Dan: but they set a van on fire and they just
Dan: kissed right in front of it and that's it.
Gav: That's it what happened to the chuds.
Dan: They all got burnt and exploded in the fire.
Gav: Oh, right, fair enough, yeah, yeah.
Dan: No, it feels like we rushed through that,
Dan: but that is because it snowballs so quickly
Dan: that the third act just bounces along at
Dan: such a pace.
Dan: And it's quite a short film anyway.
Dan: I think it's only about 80 minutes long.
Gav: They didn't have a huge amount of speak of
Gav: it.
Gav: Really it was okay-ish.
Dan: Okay Again, for me the plot is really good.
Dan: I love the whole government cover-up.
Dan: I love that kind of stuff.
Dan: Throwing stuff in the sewers, throwing
Dan: radiation and things being mutated Love all
Dan: of that.
Dan: My biggest problem is there aren't enough
Dan: chuds in this.
Dan: I want more chuds.
Dan: Gav More chuds.
Gav: I'll be on my great scene.
Dan: I would like to have seen more of the chuds?
Gav: Absolutely, that would be splendid.
Gav: I think that's the best way.
Gav: They should have gone with it.
Gav: More of that stuff.
Gav: I think a film could have been fucking
Gav: amazing classic but I feel like it was
Gav: handled okay, but not amazingly, it's all
Gav: right, but it could have been like man,
Gav: that's a great movie People wouldn't really
Gav: have got it because back then probably
Gav: because it was so anti-the-man People
Gav: didn't want that in their horror films.
Dan: They just wanted A to B.
Dan: They didn't want to understand a government
Dan: cover-up Around.
Gav: Then you would have had quite a lot of
Gav: government cover-up movies, which would
Gav: have been as I got it's, definitely with
Gav: Watergate type things going on, yeah, but I
Gav: do think this is the kind of If you went in
Gav: to watch this.
Dan: You're not the kind of audience member that
Dan: would be wanting that right Like a teenage
Dan: boy is going to watch this, so that's
Dan: probably what it did.
Dan: It's become a cult classic on VHS over time.
Gav: I think I actually have it on VHS, but it's
Gav: hard to get to, but I'm pretty sure I have
Gav: got it on VHS.
Dan: Nice Well, it's definitely one that people
Dan: talk about.
Dan: It's in that weird genre of radioactive
Dan: mutated mutant creatures that basket case,
Dan: chud and a few other things fall into.
Dan: Yeah, and if you're into that sort of thing,
Dan: you'll want to check out that sort of
Dan: subgenre.
Gav: but do check out chud.
Gav: It's a good start.
Gav: I think it's more of a A good start in.
Dan: I think it's more commercial than basket
Dan: case.
Gav: So I think this is going to be the more
Gav: accessible one.
Gav: I think it'll be alligator as well.
Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, ninja Turtles, that's
Dan: slightly off.
Dan: I would say this is the more sort of
Dan: commercially accessible of the two.
Dan: I think if you want to be disturbed, watch
Dan: basket case, but if you just want to be
Dan: sort of entertained, watch chud.
Dan: But they're both decent films.
Dan: It's a thumbs up from me, yeah, it's a
Dan: thumbs up from me, I think.
Dan: So you prefer this one to basket case.
Dan: Yeah, what I'll say is my sign off with
Dan: both of these really is with such low
Dan: budgets they really did a great job and
Dan: horror films didn't do, didn't make loads
Dan: of money at this time, but on video they
Dan: did, and both of these did great on rental
Dan: and pirate probably, and I think they for
Dan: me, revisiting them after many, many years,
Dan: they kind of still hold up well.
Dan: They've got a lot to say about society,
Dan: government mutation, that kind of stuff,
Dan: even family stuff in basket case, and
Dan: they're surprisingly entertaining still.
Dan: Which do I prefer?
Dan: It's difficult to say.
Dan: I've always loved chud, but actually I
Dan: think I slightly prefer a basket case, just
Dan: for I get the same sensation as when I
Dan: watch, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre or
Dan: something a bit grimy, you know, and you're
Dan: like, why don't I watch that?
Gav: Fair enough.
Dan: But no, they're decent.
Dan: And yeah, check it out, check out chud.
Dan: But the chud is.
Dan: A lot of people love that one.
Dan: I probably love that one more than chud.
Gav: I don't know if I watch it again.
Gav: I might be like this is awful, but I
Gav: probably would.
Dan: Yeah, I doubt if we'll ever cover it.
Dan: But yeah, chud big chud a thumbs, chud chud,
Dan: thumb, chud, thumb, pfft up it goes.
Gav: Right, let's get into the outro and we're
Gav: back again.
Dan: Thanks for listening, thanks for chudding
Dan: with us.
Gav: We'll see you in the next episode.
Dan: We'll see you in the next episode.
Dan: If you've got a basket with something in it,
Dan: give us some of your raw sausages.
Gav: Yeah, by the same guy?
Gav: I think no, not by the same guy.
Gav: It's a dude who was maybe on set for
Gav: something.
Gav: He's a younger guy, also of age, I think.
Dan: Well, there we go.
Dan: So, yeah, fun episode Been wanting to
Dan: revisit these two for a while.
Dan: There are two movies that I don't often
Dan: hear people talk about, so I always love it
Dan: when we cover films that other podcasts or
Dan: other shows don't really mention too often,
Dan: and we've still got so many classics to
Dan: come.
Dan: Talking of which, should we talk about what
Dan: our next few episodes are going to be?
Gav: Yeah, please.
Dan: Okay.
Dan: So for the next episode, episode 145, we've
Dan: got a little anthology special.
Dan: We're going to be covering the Twilight
Dan: Zone Movie from 83, and Cat's Eye, the
Dan: Stephen King film from 85.
Dan: Drew Barrymore is in that one.
Dan: So a couple of good little anthologies
Dan: there to talk about Interesting, yeah.
Dan: And then after that will be our Christmas
Dan: episode slash, our 10 year anniversary
Dan: episode.
Gav: This is weird.
Dan: Which is weird.
Dan: We must say that only a few days ago, it
Dan: was 10 years ago that our Facebook page was
Dan: created.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Which is nuts.
Dan: 10 years that's been going.
Gav: If anybody does want to send a message in,
Gav: we shall play it if you wish to you know,
Gav: yeah, or even just write something and
Gav: we'll read it out.
Dan: I will be putting the reminders out as we
Dan: enter closer to that.
Dan: Yeah, it is really weird Longer than some
Dan: people have had jobs.
Dan: So, yeah, we'll be covering National
Dan: Lampoon's Christmas Vacation for that one,
Dan: because we both love that movie and it's
Dan: Christmas and it's our 10 year anniversary,
Dan: so screw it, that'll be a fun one, and then
Dan: we'll talk all things Christmasy and we'll
Dan: probably reflect on 10 years of podcasting.
Gav: We're just doing one movie Home Alone yeah,
Gav: yeah, not Home Alone.
Gav: What is it?
Dan: National Lampoon's.
Gav: Christmas yeah.
Dan: And we can cover Home Alone as well my
Dan: favourite Christmas film of the time, yeah
Dan: that's fine.
Dan: Yeah, so that's episode 146, and then that
Dan: takes us into 2024.
Dan: So the first, our first episode of that
Dan: year, of next year, will be a patron pick,
Dan: a pa-pa-pa-pa, patron pick, pick, pick,
Dan: pick.
Dan: And it's back to Matthew Godley.
Gav: Oh yeah, I never looked for that thing last
Gav: time.
Dan: A patron pick, pick, pick, pick.
Dan: So for episode 147, our first episode of
Dan: next year, matthew has selected two very
Dan: different films.
Dan: We will be covering the brutal and gritty
Dan: British Brutal.
Dan: The brutal there's a new word will be
Dan: covering the brutal British dirty
Dan: uncomfortable Revenge.
Gav: Thriller Revenge thriller.
Dan: It's called Dead Man's Shoes, from 2004.
Dan: Excellent film, really good stuff.
Dan: And he's paired that one up with none other
Dan: than 1980s Flash Gordon, amazing.
Dan: So, that's going to be a hell of a way to
Dan: kick off the new year.
Gav: Or only feet away from Brian Blessers a
Gav: couple of days ago.
Dan: Yeah, Gav sent me a photo.
Dan: He went to Redding Comic-Con to promote
Dan: Sanctuary Moon and sent me a selfie of him
Dan: smiling, and in the background there was a
Dan: very old Brian Blesser at a table signing
Dan: people's photos yeah, probably shouting at
Dan: them.
Gav: Hopefully he doesn't die soon or go missing,
Gav: because last time I did that was with
Gav: Julian Sands.
Gav: I sent it to Sarah like that.
Dan: And then he went missing, julian Sands, and
Dan: he's dead.
Dan: Rest in peace, julian Sands, we covered
Dan: your movie.
Dan: I'm Ratanaphobia.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: So yeah, that's Matthew's episode.
Dan: Matthew's episode coming up the other day
Dan: someone on a Facebook post, just someone.
Gav: All the horror movies come out this year.
Gav: And I went, wow, not one isn't a remake.
Gav: And someone went what I think trying to
Gav: like question me like I don't know what I
Gav: was talking about or something.
Gav: I don't know why, because it's very easy to
Gav: see that.
Gav: And I went, what?
Gav: Ratanaphobia is not a remake, it's a remake.
Gav: I was like, yes, what's original is great.
Dan: Yeah, I forgot they're remaking that.
Dan: It's a shame that there's so many remakes.
Gav: Or making another movie, Spider movie, or
Gav: make the same Spider movie they're making
Gav: and don't call it Ratanaphobia.
Dan: Yeah.
Gav: That's fairly easy.
Dan: There's been a few spider films out.
Dan: It's Hibitsia watched recently.
Dan: It wasn't very good, though you know I
Dan: don't think anything really can live up to
Dan: Ratanaphobia because it isn't a horror
Dan: movie as such, although it is terrifying.
Gav: It's a great movie, it's just a it's never
Gav: watched it.
Gav: I'm like, come on, it's one like it's
Gav: accessible for kids.
Gav: One.
Dan: Well, what's good about it is it's all
Dan: wrapped up in a sort of family friendly,
Dan: spielberg type Spielberg type thing, but
Dan: then it's a really creepy creature feature
Dan: it's such a good movie.
Gav: It's a good movie.
Dan: Yeah, we covered that for our Spider
Dan: episode many, many, many many years ago,
Dan: along with eight-legged freaks.
Dan: So yeah, that's our next three episodes.
Dan: So yeah, it's crazy that we're talking
Dan: about it next year now.
Dan: But yeah, christmas episode, then into New
Dan: Year, then after that will be your birthday
Dan: at the end of January and we already know
Dan: now that we're covering the Sorcerer and
Dan: Studio 666.
Dan: I'm excited to watch that because I haven't
Dan: ever seen it so You're appreciated because
Dan: it's a love letter to 80s horror.
Gav: Yeah, jc is in it as well, kind of in the
Gav: same way like in our Ross Dermot
Gav: Thanksgiving, but actually more fun.
Gav: Tongue and cheek like really good go at
Gav: times in it as well, I look forward to that.
Dan: I quite like the Food Fighters as well.
Gav: Dave Grohl's great in it actually.
Gav: Yeah.
Dan: Yeah, he's a pretty good actor in anything.
Gav: I've seen One of these band members, a guy
Gav: called Pat is absolutely appalling, but
Gav: it's kind of endearing, okay, and obviously
Gav: one of he's gone to sweet.
Dan: One of those guys passed away recently as
Dan: well.
Dan: Yeah, we can talk about that as well, cool,
Dan: alrighty.
Dan: Well, let me do some admin and then we can
Dan: say our goodbyes and farewells, if you may,
Dan: if I may.
Gav: You may.
Dan: Oh, you may.
Trailer Voice: Before yeah.
Gav: You can be may away.
Gav: So thank you, may away Say, say I may.
Dan: Say I may.
Gav: Away.
Gav: Okay, roll around in the hay.
Dan: So thank you for listening.
Trailer Voice: Thanks for listening out of clay.
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Dan: If you head over to the website, which is
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Dan: So platforms Spotify, YouTube, pod night,
Dan: Apple podcast app, pod bean and all the
Dan: other bits and bobs.
Dan: We're on Instagram, which I use mainly to
Dan: promote the episodes, and I always attach a
Dan: link to a little montage, a little collage
Dan: of the movies that we've covered for that
Dan: episode.
Dan: It's just the podcast on haunted hill Insta.
Dan: If you follow that, that'd be brilliant and
Dan: I'll follow you back.
Dan: And yeah, you can just look at the little
Dan: monta collages I've created and you'll have
Dan: a link to the episode there as well.
Dan: And aside from that, we are also deadbolt
Dan: films.
Dan: So go to deadboltfilmscom or visit our
Dan: YouTube channel.
Dan: It's just deadbolt films.
Dan: Right now we have Star Wars, Sanctuary Moon.
Dan: We've got just over 9000 views in just over
Dan: two weeks.
Dan: We're very proud of that project.
Dan: Please watch it.
Dan: Let us know what you think.
Dan: Just watch it.
Dan: Tell your friends about it, your Star Wars
Dan: fan friends, your horror fan friends,
Dan: anybody who likes film, anybody who likes,
Dan: you know, low budget filmmaking.
Dan: Just tell people.
Dan: Tell them to watch it.
Dan: We've done so well with it.
Dan: We're so proud of it.
Gav: And we've sort of updated the YouTube
Gav: channel, so have a little look around.
Gav: It's a lot more cleaned up and it's got a
Gav: few other short films and bits and bobs
Gav: Deadbolt films are on Instagram as well.
Dan: It's just deadbolt films, so that's where
Dan: to find them.
Dan: And finally, we're also on Patreon, as
Dan: mentioned.
Dan: We have patrons who get a Patreon pick.
Dan: I'll come back to that in a moment.
Dan: So if you want to become a patron and
Dan: support the show in a monetary fashion and
Dan: help us keep things ticking over, then
Dan: that's brilliant and we would really
Dan: appreciate that.
Dan: But we would still always do this even if
Dan: we didn't have one single patron.
Dan: We'd be doing this for free.
Dan: But if you do become a patron, just go to
Dan: Patreon and type in podcast on the hill.
Dan: Again, message me if you can't find the
Dan: link and I'll send you in the right
Dan: direction.
Dan: If you become a patron, you will get a free
Dan: t-shirt.
Dan: You will get access to lots of, but all of
Dan: our entire show back at Slough, because I'm
Dan: dropping one every Friday in order.
Dan: Currently, we've just dropped episode 105,
Dan: I think.
Dan: So we've been doing that for 105 weeks in a
Dan: row.
Dan: Now you also get to pick your own show.
Dan: So every three episodes we will have a
Dan: patron pick, where the patron picks the two
Dan: films and gives us so many review or some
Dan: interesting information about why they
Dan: picked those, and we'll read all that out
Dan: and you get to wear the crown.
Dan: The crown for that episode will be the king
Dan: or queen patron and, yeah, you'll also get
Dan: me reading out your name in a silly voice,
Dan: which I'll be doing in just a moment, gav.
Gav: I think they always look forward to that.
Dan: It's probably the main reason.
Gav: It is probably the reason.
Dan: But yeah, even if you just want to donate
Dan: one pound or one dollar a month, any little
Dan: helps.
Dan: It helps us to keep the show ticking over.
Dan: Buy equipment, rent films, buy films, yeah,
Dan: it's amazing, it really is amazing.
Dan: So, as always, a big thank you to our
Dan: patrons.
Dan: So thank you very much, and I'll try and do
Dan: these in a bit of a chud voice or a basket
Dan: case voice.
Gav: I always feel like I should say thank you.
Gav: I don't know what to do.
Gav: I'll just stay quiet, though, and let you
Gav: do it.
Dan: No, you can say thank you after each one.
Gav: Oh fine, I never know Okay.
Dan: I quite like the way that dynamics built up.
Dan: So first of all I would like to thank
Dan: Gun-Ko-Ye.
Dan: Thank you.
Gav: Thank you Godly, Thank you very much.
Dan: I hope you guys can understand what I'm
Dan: saying.
Gav: Thank you very much, kevin.
Gav: Earth's Fire oh, sounds like a biggin.
Gav: Thank you very much.
Gav: Thank you very much, jesus.
Gav: Thank you, so okay.
Gav: Thank you, oh communications, oh traffic.
Dan: Welcome Contacting.
Dan: Oh, drive them in, please.
Dan: Thank you, take it easy attentously, boy.
Dan: Okay, cool, so hoo, thank you, thank you,
Dan: oh, thank you, oh, thank you.
Dan: And, lexbro, I will be reminding you all on
Dan: Facebook to drop us messages and voice
Dan: clips and whatever else is you want us to
Dan: do for our 10 year anniversary, because we
Dan: did that for our five year, which only
Dan: seems like yesterday, really.
Dan: That was what did we do for that one.
Dan: We did Predator, didn't we for that?
Gav: one yeah.
Dan: Gosh, that was five years ago now.
Dan: Yeah, so that's it.
Dan: That's it from us.
Dan: Thank you very much everybody.
Dan: Hey Gav, thank you Dan, thank me and thank
Dan: you.
Dan: It's a good night from my funny little
Dan: brother who lives in a basket next to me
Dan: and watches me get with the receptionist
Dan: from my doctor surgery.
Gav: Oh, red flag, red flag.
Gav: It's a good night from Dan.
Dan: It's a good night from someone I know that
Dan: used to pretend someone was in the wardrobe
Dan: watching him and his wife.
Gav: Did you?
Dan: Not me, somebody else I told that story
Dan: earlier, oh yeah it's a good night from Gav.
Dan: And it's a good night from Chud.
Dan: Oh, good night, chud.
Dan: Imagine if my name was Chud Bone.
Gav: Yeah, let's not go there.
Gav: It sounds like a weird thing you do.
Dan: Listen, guys, take care, remember, check
Dan: under the sewers, check in your basements
Dan: and check in your baskets of laundry
Dan: because, there might just be a chud
Dan: watching you have sex.
Gav: Sniffing on your pants.
Dan: Yeah, what a treat for basket cases and
Dan: chuds.
Gav: Thank you for listening to the podcast on
Gav: Haunted Hill.
Gav: We will be back again real soon.