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Conversations from the Hype Network; Business innovation, technology, and current events from a faith-filled perspective.
Arun: I wanted to just kick it off
and congratulate you, you just had a
partnership, uh, with the Warriors.
Is that correct?
Ps Vance: Yeah, well, we've been
actually serving the Golden State
Warriors Foundation for a couple years.
Uh, they actually, you know,
in recent years have raised 30
million, um, and we're powering a
lot of the Generosity that's coming
in now through that foundation.
They deploy it back into the
San Francisco Bay Area Community
educational system and things like that.
That's really cool.
I had a meeting with them to just
expand our partnership and what we're
going to be producing for them is
different installations of our tap
technology, which is really, really cool.
So we're looking at different
potentials of how to integrate that
into the stadium at Chase Center.
So that's gonna be fun.
I mean, it's cool.
I mean, we have it at, at Vive Church.
Um, we got it installed in our seats.
Um, that's been a cool form of
new engagement for our church.
What I love about it is this is, I
feel like, uh, the tides are turning.
Innovation's happening
first in the church now.
Yeah, come on now.
And then, you know, uh, outside of
the church, people are cluing on.
I think that's pretty cool.
Arun: Yeah, that's really awesome.
Very cool.
How did that, how did the idea come about?
Ps Vance: Um, so I actually, uh,
was at a conference and I, I met
this young entrepreneur that, you
know, created these manufacturing
relationships, um, where he had pretty.
low cost and efficient ways to produce
the, this NFC technology, right?
I mean, this is not new technology.
Whenever you, uh, tap on a
payment processor, um, in person
and do something like Apple pay,
it's all the same technology.
I think the innovation is taking
that technology and putting into
a form function and presenting it.
Uh, with a use case that is
valuable for your customer.
In this case, you know, our
primary customer is the church.
And so it's so cool because you
introduce new technology and it just
takes different forms and shapes,
uh, at Vive, there was a specific.
Uh, again, net new application to
the ecosystem where Pastor Adam, you
guys used it as a Christmas gift.
We did.
Um, where, uh, you and Pastor Kira
sent it out to all of the VIVE members.
And now we have this cool kind of new
habit in our church called Tap Tuesdays,
where Pastor Adam and Kira, you know,
uh, present new communications through
the church, through this device.
So it's kind of like this cool hybrid,
which I think is the future, right?
Of kind of physical.
In real life, like hardware mixed in
with digital, uh, software play that
seems to be, um, powerful, right?
Arun: Yeah.
And then just touching on that one
last thing I wanted to talk about
was revisiting the app idea that
you kind of came up with last week.
If you've listened to the pod
last episode, we talked about.
You know, maybe doing a church
rivalry, kind of creating a new
Ps Adam: app there.
Sorry, you lost me for a moment.
Oh, sorry, sorry.
Every week I come up with a
Ps Vance: new app
Arun: idea.
Right, right.
But this is one I want to push out
there because it was on Sunday when
Pastor Kiri was talking about, you
know, competition breeding culture,
um, during her sermon and I was
just, the thoughts started racing.
This came back.
The idea came back.
Wow.
And I was thinking about, you know, How
we did it with, um, like the NFL, right?
You, the NFL, you have all these
teams competing against each other.
But all the players think
of it as a brotherhood.
No matter what it is, despite
the fact that you're competing,
it's still a brotherhood.
And then the Shield, which is
the NFL, is still above it all.
No matter what, everything else.
It's above it all and so the same
kind of idea is you could still do
this like this different activities
that you do Like we're doing
the run challenge of the church.
Yep But why does it have to be
just us you could be other churches
all doing it at the same time?
I like that and that's all
part of this kind of system.
Okay, so you have this church, right?
So you have all these ideas
of this church social app.
This is a larger structure Then you
have these things like food drives, all
these social goods that you do, that
contributes to your like, church score.
You have different leagues,
competitive leagues, like pickleball,
you know, that's a big one.
Um, and then the other one is, um,
Bringing crypto into it because now
crypto everybody's talking about it.
What if we could tokenize, you know,
you're giving tokenize Potentially
your most generous church, right?
So as you give as you attend as you serve
you get tokens Yes in response and that
contributes to stake towards your decision
making at church Obviously the founders
and the staff have a larger percentage of
it But as a member you have a stake in the
church Wow, right and so this is all part
of it And so we can kind of build what?
Um, might be seen as like more
of like a decentralized church.
So everybody has a stake.
You don't just come to church and leave.
You come to church, you build your stake
in the church and then that affects.
That's how the church was formed.
Every
Ps Adam: area.
Oh, I like this.
This is out there.
Ps Vance: What do you mean it's out there?
That's so cool.
No, no.
This idea is out there.
If you want to talk about
Arun: that,
Ps Vance: come talk to me.
Come talk to us.
Ps Adam: I thought you meant
somebody's already built this.
I'm like, who's this
Arun: genius?
How do we meet them?
Wow.
I'd love for you guys to talk about it.
It'd be interesting to talk about ideas
on the Hype Pod that we just kind of
give out to builders and builders kind of
Ps Adam: bring on.
Yeah, I'd love to open source this,
uh, and, uh, get some builders onto
it for sure, uh, on how to actually
make this, I would say a reality
and you have to know, okay, so
here's some things you have to know.
I think you have to know the church space,
the nuances, but you also have to know.
Uh, competitive sports because I
feel like it's that competition
that's going to breed the ingenuity
here to actually understand Uh, as
you said, how do we center around
the shield or the cross, right?
You know the cross is paramount uh,
but this is going to deepen our church
pride and how do we keep building the
church and uh, I feel like I could
really contribute with some beta
churches that would be into this um,
and uh You know, we just need some tech.
What do you
Ps Vance: think, uh, it'll produce?
What do you think some of the
outcomes from this, uh, collective
competition would breed?
Ps Adam: I mean, I'm convinced it's going
to, it's going to deepen church pride.
Like it's going to deepen
that love for the church.
This is where it came from.
Remember, I think we're talking
about, I witnessed, it was, um,
the, the Huskies and Michigan.
Yeah.
And people were traveling like several
flights, cold weather, tornadoes.
I mean, you look at the, is it the
bills sitting in the stadium, the fans
shoveling the stadium and uh, yeah.
And they're like literally
sitting in the snow.
For their football team, man, and the
football team does nothing for you.
Think about what Christ has done,
what the, the breakthrough you've
had in your church and that deep
love for your church to now go, man,
I want to wear my church colors.
I want to, I want to have a flag.
I want to go into battle.
I want to defend the church.
I just can't see how it doesn't produce
this deep sense of church pride.
Ps Vance: Yeah, I love that.
Yeah.
I, I also think it'll provide an extra
layer of motivation, um, to do good works.
You know what I mean?
Like, I felt like there's been a
season, uh, in, you know, churchdom
of like, Oh, it's not about works.
It's like, well, actually,
you know, I feel like there's
a lot of, uh, ways Christ has
actually shown through our works.
I mean, I feel like that's
obviously biblical, but, um,
but sometimes people need.
Uh, a collective goal.
Sometimes metrics can be motivating
if framed right, you know what I mean?
Um, I mean, that's why people,
you know, show me the incentives.
I'll show you the outcome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
And so you, you, you, you frame
the right incentives for society.
And you produce better outcomes.
And I don't think
Ps Adam: we are going to
get away from metrics.
There's metrics right now.
They're just not the metrics you want.
It's, it's likes on a sermon post or it's,
you know, it's all vanity metrics, right?
We actually need to get some real
hard data that actually can be,
you know, influenced and worked.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
I love that.
You know, one thing that I
realized, uh, whether it was kind
of planted in all predetermined
or not with Vivek, let's just.
Assume for a second.
It wasn't right.
What was so stark to me is that
I don't know if it was just
a personalized feed for me.
I'm pretty sure because it
resonates with a lot of millennials.
I'm talking to the vague
was the most pop in person.
Oh, for sure.
On Instagram.
Okay.
Um, probably on tick.
I'm not on tick tock, but I would
assume on tick tock as well.
Cause he would repost some of
his tick tock stuff on Instagram.
He was.
Way more poppin than DeSantis,
way more poppin than Nikki Haley.
Trump's not, I don't
even think, on Instagram.
But then, when it came to the
Iowa caucus, poppin on Instagram
does not translate into reality.
You know what I mean?
And I was reminded that, oh wow, okay.
Some of these worlds, actually,
some of it is just vanity.
Some of it, it doesn't actually
translate into real results.
Cause I see some people, for example,
in the church space, you know, they're,
they're popping on social media,
but it's hard for them to raise.
the money or resources
necessary to build a building.
And then I see some other people that
are not popping on Instagram at all.
And then somebody just posted the other
day, one of our friends in ministry, they
just raised 11 million like in a day.
And I'm just like, Oh my gosh, you
would have never known who they are,
but they are building something so
deep, something so resilient, something
so, so beautiful in their community.
Obviously 11 million.
pop up.
They've been building for years.
They've been discipling people
for years, um, to be able to
move the needle in their city.
You know what I mean?
And I feel like to your point, a lot of
where maybe people's attention was, was
on these vanity metrics that at the end
of the day, it's not Like there is some
value to it, but it's like one piece of
like 12 things you should care about.
Correct.
Ps Adam: And you you're playing
the, you're playing in the
wrong competition, right?
So if you're going for like to
be big on Instagram, you almost
competing with the attention of
the world, whereas the church.
Shouldn't be having to compete
for the attention of the world.
I think we can better with each
other Okay, and we can build the
best thing and have our competition
with another church and when I say
competition, it's that healthy Let's
get let's be the best football team.
Yeah, let's be the best church now part of
that is outreach strategies Which church?
Great at outreach.
Totally.
Which church is getting salvations?
Mm-Hmm.
, you know, obviously we've gotta figure
out, you know, how your, how your
scorecard looks, but, but I think there
is a, there's definite different approach.
When I look at the NFL or I look
at college football, they've
got something figured out.
Well, let's, let's just
Ps Vance: think about this, right?
If we got enough churches on this,
we potentially could have the
biggest venture fund in the world.
Right.
Right.
So you talk about we could, we could
effectuate it through the blockchain
or we could even just do traditionally,
um, you know, some sort of levy, right.
A percentage base, or maybe in
just a raw number, like to opt in.
Um, it requires a 50, 000 commitment
or whatever you get, you know,
X amount of churches on it.
You could have a multi
billion dollar fund.
Okay.
What are we going to do with
that multi billion dollar fund?
We can then use the blockchain
to be able to, to vote.
Um, you could create a, a Dow,
right, to vote on the most innovative
ideas, the best ideas and we fund it.
And it's literally funded by
the church for the church.
We come up with the innovation now because
all of our projects are well funded.
Um, you start creating this,
this lighthouse of talent, right?
Um, the most talented builders because
they know there's a funding source in
the church now, um, maybe there's some
requirements that you have to have some
sort of declaration, uh, declaration
of faith or something like that so that
it's values aligned, but barring that.
All the most talented faith based
people will now not just build for
the world, they'll build for the
kingdom that will then infiltrate the
Arun: world.
Oh yeah, 100%.
And I think you can do all of
this where, like you said, there's
some faith based declaration.
You have memberships, right?
These memberships are all part of
this social circle that you're in.
And now you have this trusted where,
where am I going to get money from?
Well, now I have this venture fund
that I really know I can trust that
is trying to do good in the world.
Oh, this is really, really, really cool.
So if you're a builder, If you're
a builder, come contact us.
We'll talk to you.
I'll help you from the technical side.
And you got, you know, the best password
in the world to help you walk through it.
Um, the last thing I want
to talk about, Last thing?
The next thing I want to talk about, I
was going to say, are we there already?
That's great.
It's been a long day.
Um, Is that you just had one of your
friends, um, post about a pickleball.
Um, app that he was
building, um, and there was
Ps Vance: the pickleball
Ps Adam: was blown up guys.
I'm sorry.
I, I, you guys were, you guys keep, keep
hitting me up every time I'm jet lagged.
I'm seeing these interactions and I'm
like, man, I got to catch up on the feed.
It's a
Arun: high pod root thread.
It's a high pod.
Yeah, it's a high pod.
Leaving us on read.
Ps Adam: I am, aren't I?
No, I gave a thumbs up, I think.
Um, but yeah, uh, yeah,
you talk, I'm catching up.
Well, no, it's just
Ps Vance: one of my, uh, buddies.
You know, not too long ago, uh, just under
two years ago launched this app literally
just for organizing pickleball games.
They just surpassed a hundred thousand
users like pickleball is crazy.
It's called pickleheads.
Crazy.
It's called literally pickleheads.
And, um,
Ps Adam: I've got my own, it's
going to be pickleballers.
Ps Vance: Yeah, it's it's competitive.
We'll talk about the logo.
What's
Ps Adam: that gonna be?
It's gonna be a pickle
with the chain, right?
Chain.
It's gonna have like a gold chain grill
and uh, it's gonna be more expensive, but.
Oh, well,
Arun: this kind of ties into what I
wanted to talk about, actually, is
that, you know, now with, with AI and
the ability to like build a team with
just one person now, you can just.
Like divvy all this out with AI.
It's going to lower the bar barrier
to entry for any of these apps.
Right.
So now it's kind of like
the race to the bottom.
I know you wanted to make it
more expensive, but actually
the least expensive offering
for all of these services.
So if you have, no, I don't think
Ps Adam: it has to be the
least expensive offering.
Yeah.
Interesting.
I think you can still build a better
product and you just have more margin.
So you have less expense,
more income, right?
You're actually margin is
more attractive for funding,
expansion, all that kind of stuff.
You see, you can grow anything
at a fast rate, but you can
spend as fast as you grow.
The trick of a founder is to
actually grow quick and spend less.
It's like when you, you know, look in your
personal income, you can get a pay rise,
but then increase your expenses and you
you're earning more than you ever have.
But how come I'm not making any margin?
Well, it's the same with a company.
The trick is to go, let me keep
funding the things that are
growing, but not waste money on X.
A amount of stuff, right?
Mm-Hmm.
.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
I also think that the margin is
gonna be more disproportionately,
um, in the area of marketing.
Mm-Hmm.
. Right.
Uh, so for example, what you are
saying is that actually barrier to
entry technically is going down.
Mm-Hmm.
significantly.
Like AI is a very deflationary,
um, phenomena, right?
Yeah.
Um, and a AI will empower
more entrepreneurs.
Mm-Hmm.
to build.
Pretty much whatever they think of,
they can ultimately build it if they
learn how to use the AI prompts and
the tools that are going to be already
actually provided in increasing measure.
Um, so what that means though, is
that the competitive advantage will
decrease on the technical side, right?
Having deep technical moats
will be less and less.
Until you come up with the
new AI breakthrough, right?
So where's the advantage?
Then the advantage is in the storytelling.
The advantage is in the
deep empathy for the user.
The advantage is in your perspective.
Does your, it's kind
of like fashion, right?
It's kind of like, um,
at the end of the day.
Not a lot of people have a significant
advantage in the fabrics, right?
But fashion, you have the advantage
in your perspective in the way that
you tell the story, uh, in your
ability to create scarcity and your
ability to create a community, right?
I think that's where probably, um, the
tide was shift a bit in terms of the
operators that will be really successful.
Cause it used to be that you could be.
Um, super technical and know nothing
about marketing, but because you
have the technical advantage, you're
going to win in the marketplace.
I think that's going to
shift it a little bit.
Right.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
And I think my point is, is this, there's
multiple ways to buy, to build a company.
It's not just to have maximum users
because price per user becomes important.
I don't need a hundred million users.
at 10 cents a user, if I can
have 500 million, 500, 000
users at a dollar a user.
I'm already doing better with less users.
Does it make sense?
Arun: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
But I think the idea was that you can
cut into market share really quickly
if you undercut the prices, right?
Ps Vance: Well, sometimes,
yeah, depending on your, what
target market you have, exactly.
Right.
Yeah.
So I think, I think there's probably,
I mean, in every, in every market,
right, unless it's a winner take all
type marketplace, um, you know, you're
going to have to cater your product
to a specific segment of the market.
Right.
So let's take this, you know,
stupid example of pickleball, uh,
you know, maybe pickle heads is
the, um, is the mass offering.
Right.
Right.
Right.
And that's maybe for the late.
Pickleballer, but maybe the Pickleballer
app is for advanced players and you have
to have a certain skill level and it's
a smaller market But maybe there's a
premium To it, you know, I just think
Ps Adam: fashion.
I mean, let's take LVMH versus Zara.
Zara's got way more purchases per
day But the, uh, the product of LVMH,
uh, Louis Vuitton, uh, absolutely
killing Zara under the water.
And they don't have half as many outlets
or, you know, stores or whatever it is.
So you've got scale and size and
affordability and undercutting the market.
Or you've got a premium product as well.
So it depends on your, your strategy.
Right, right.
And
Arun: it comes down to like you
said, like the storytelling.
Like how do you get How do you convince
people that this is the story they want to
tell with the product that you're Correct.
Ps Adam: Correct.
What's the feeling?
What am I feeling?
Because I don't think price per garment is
probably that much different really when
it gets down to the brass taxes between a
Zara garment and a Louis Vuitton garment.
But the story and the feel of
wearing an Louis Vuitton compared
to, you know, uh, maybe a Zara.
Um, I think definitely is
in that experience, right?
Yeah.
Ps Vance: And I think the
Arun: thing that AI is going to maybe
disrupt in the marketing space is the
ability to quickly create content.
Yes.
And so now you can create curated
content to tell a story for me.
That's personalized to me and,
uh, you know, content for you.
That's personalized to use
and maybe be able to tell.
More stories and that might
Ps Vance: be your advantage.
I'm a skeptic about the AI storytelling.
Interesting.
Um, any like, uh, marketing, you
know, caption or, or blog post?
I couldn't tell it had
been generated by AI.
I don't even know how to, you
know, I don't have the words to
explain what I'm experiencing,
but it definitely, it's soulless.
Yeah.
It doesn't.
Yeah.
No, seriously.
It doesn't, it doesn't feel
like it has that human soul.
Um, factor to it.
I know, I don't know what exactly
what I'm articulating and it may
be AI will get better and better.
I'm not sure, but it does
seem like it's not there yet.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Cause I, I'm, I think my push
towards this response is yes.
Cost cutting is definitely a great
advantage of, um, AI, but that
doesn't mean it's cost cut offering.
I think there is an advantage in.
absorbing, uh, the, the cost cutting.
So then you actually still deliver a good
product, not a cheaper product, right?
Yeah,
Arun: that's fair.
Um, and some of the other stuff
that's going around, did you guys
see that video of, um, CloudFlare
they're kind of firing scandal?
Um, I don't know.
I didn't see this.
Um, so Brittany, I want to
pronounce her name wrong.
Brittany Peach, maybe.
Um, she was part of the
sales team at CloudFlare.
Um, and she recorded
herself getting fired.
Oh, I saw this!
Ps Adam: Yeah, such a Gen Z approach.
Yeah,
Arun: she, so she did a full recording
of herself getting, um, fired.
She knew it was coming.
So she kind of had this response
of like, please give me more data.
Give me like, what's
my performance metrics.
And the way that Cloudflare approached
it is they, um, brought on two
HR reps, not her manager, so they
actually had no data, um, on the.
Matters at hand so they weren't
able to give her anything.
So now there's two sides of the
debate, you know, there's The cloud
first side where they have the right
to fire anybody they want, right?
Yeah, I'm not performing and then
you have the people on her side that
are saying, you know, good for you
standing up for yourself Obviously,
Ps Vance: what's the basis of
her standing up for herself?
Ps Adam: I think the basis of a standing
up for herself is she had an argument
that She was brought on she spent a month
onboarding and then It was then Christmas
holidays, and now it's the new year
and you're saying I haven't performed
but I've only been here for two months.
So her argument is, I've only
been here for two months and
the whole time I've been in the
onboarding in the holiday period.
But their position is other
people have performed.
You against other people.
Like yeah, compared to other
people, your metrics aren't.
Ps Vance: Was this part
of a greater layoff or?
That's what they were
Arun: saying.
So there was this narrative that it
was just, you know, they overhired
and now they had to cut back and
they didn't handle it properly.
The CEO came out and said, well,
this is what we normally do.
We hired about 10 percent to 40 out of
like 1500 employees in the sales staff.
And this is just normal.
If you're not performing,
you get cut, right?
Like it's cutthroat business.
Ps Adam: I looked at this and I
thought this is classic Gen Z.
Now all the Gen Z is going to hate this.
Uh, but this is classic Gen
Z where it's like, hang on.
Uh, you don't get to do this to me.
And now she's recorded herself.
That's crazy.
So anytime she goes for a future job.
Her name just has to be searched and
everybody's going, do I want that
Ps Vance: problem?
Well, that's where my mind goes, right?
Because, okay, let's say she gets
what she wants and Cloudflare,
Cloud, uh, Flare hires her back.
Like, okay.
What's that dynamic?
That's, that's what, you know what I mean?
Like, are we thinking
these things through?
Does that make sense?
No, but
Ps Adam: that's.
This is my classic, what I'm saying.
Like I see this with Gen Z all the time.
It's like, whoa, whoa.
They expect me to turn up early
and they expect me to actually do
work and expect me to, you know,
I've only been here for two months.
Of course I haven't made a sale yet, but
it's two months, like two months in the
world of sales is like, they're trying to
find out, are you a sales person or not?
Do you have what it takes?
Do you have the chutzpah?
And after two months, if you haven't
produced anything for the company,
but we've forked out money in
training and we're for like right
now, I'm projecting three months
and going, nope, let's cut it now.
Now I just think what is in her mind,
because she doesn't realize everything
lives on the internet forever.
So any future job, she's
literally hamstrung herself.
Maybe her whole generation going,
you go girl, you talk, but.
Guess what?
They're still going to get hired.
Oh, totally.
I don't understand.
I don't understand this generation.
I
Ps Vance: wouldn't
Arun: do it, but thanks for you doing it.
Where do you think this
privilege comes from?
Because that's what it
Ps Vance: is,
Ps Adam: right?
It's the trophy generation.
It's the participation
Ps Vance: award.
They've lived in a prosperous nation.
Right?
That's been set up.
Um, and so, you know, it's,
it's, it's a cycle, right?
And so hopefully it swings back, um,
when people realize, okay, this, this
type of mentality is not going to
produce the next wave of innovation
and prosperity for the future.
Um, I think
Ps Adam: it's prosperity, but I
think it's also, uh, mediocrity.
We've celebrated mediocrity culture.
We've celebrated like, it starts
at the grassroots level of kids,
sports, the participation trophy.
They grew up pioneering the like,
parents don't cheer on your child.
Like you're not allowed
to cheer your child on.
You have to cheer every child on.
Well, screw your child.
I'm trying to frigging, I'm
trying to celebrate my child.
Right.
And that's, but there's no competition.
So it's participation.
I deserve an award.
I've been here for two months.
I deserve an award.
Yeah.
No, no.
You haven't produced anything.
You didn't score a goal there.
And that's, I think, where society has
done harm to this generation where now
they expect a participation celebration.
They expect that just on the
milestone of you training for a
month, you should get a little.
You know, badge or
something or a promotion.
She's probably already submitted.
Hey, when is the promotion rounds?
Ps Vance: Totally.
I've been here two months and
I've asked her to promotion.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
But you haven't produced
anything for a promotion.
Ps Vance: You know, this, this
culture is continue to propagate.
Cause I, I coach Lennox's basketball team.
She's eight years old,
um, on Saturday mornings.
And, um, you know, most
of the rest are cool.
There's one ref that I had this past
Saturday that is like this equal
opportunity ref person who's like, we'll
like tell the kids on defense to back up.
And if, if he sees that one of
the kids hasn't shot enough,
we'll let them shoot for free.
And I'm like having a
conversation with him.
I'm like, this is not, this is not
going to build good basketball player.
This is actually not going
to build any character.
It's like, this is nothing.
This is, this is wrong.
You know what I mean?
And, um, and I, I also started realizing
in this, just this, I was playing out
this philosophy in my head because
there is a couple of players on our
team, uh, that definitely would be,
you know, maybe considered ball Hawks.
Okay.
Um, you know, and they're shooting
the most and all that type of
stuff at the same time, their skill
level is like two X everybody else.
They are running harder
than everybody else.
They're stealing the ball
more than, Everybody else.
So I can't necessarily
knock them too much.
Do I want them to work on other
parts of the game, like passing
and finding the open person?
Absolutely.
And we're, we're trying to teach that, but
I'm not necessarily going to have the kid
that doesn't work on his game all week,
be entitled to get the ball past two.
I don't even think that
kid wants the ball past.
It's
Ps Adam: definitely, you know, you
know, entitled it's entitlement.
So what that ref is doing is he's
creating an entitled generation
where everyone gets their shot.
So I can just mosey on up the court, not
hustle, not sweat, just mosey on up and
go, Hey ref, uh, can I please have a shot?
And everyone goes, Oh, you know,
little Johnny needs to have, no, but,
but I, I agree with you, that's the
coach's job to teach, you know, passing
open man, all that kind of stuff.
It's not the ref's job to
democratize a competition.
That means there's no competition.
Ps Vance: Oh man, there's a
government analogy in there somewhere.
Ps Adam: So what it ends
up producing is this girl.
This girl is the product.
Of, uh, just democratized sports
and democratized opportunities
and, uh, yeah, equity division.
How do you guys
Ps Vance: balance
Arun: that in like the, the
orgs that you kind of lead?
Like you get what you put in, right?
There's this aspect of, we'll help
you, you know, we're not going to
turn our back on you, but you get what
you put in, the work that you put in.
And if you see somebody, you know,
moving up the chain, that's deserved.
And if you're not, it's
because of performance.
But how do you balance that kind of?
Ps Adam: Well, they've been told a
narrative that, uh, it's actually
not because someone's put the work
in, it's because of a patriarchy.
That there has been a patriarchy out
there, that that's why they got promoted.
It literally is a taught narrative
that if anybody advances, it's because
they've got a false, uh, benefit.
Or they've got like a patriarchal benefit.
That's not real.
What's real is the fact
that they put the work in.
So because they put the work in That's
why they're getting ahead and they're
getting the opportunities and I think
that we're going to continue to see
more of this entitlement, uh, culture on
display while we keep at the grassroots
level, don't teach kids how to lose.
That's the problem.
She doesn't know how to lose.
She doesn't know how to go.
I lost my job.
So you know what I'm gonna do?
I'll make myself better.
So I don't do that again.
Right.
She's missing the lesson in the failure.
Instead, she's trying to go, no, no,
no, you don't get to do that to me.
I deserve this.
You know,
Ps Vance: it's like, it's so cool
how faith is also so practical.
It's highly spiritual, but
it's like so practical, right?
Because without, um, a relationship
with the Savior, without a Lord
and Savior to be able to, you know,
people don't know how to process
suffering and struggle and failure.
Because they don't have
a format of faith, right?
It's, um, it's this, this idea
that, okay, somebody, something,
some entity owes me something.
They don't have any, so
that's their framework.
They're trying to navigate.
Right.
Um, and we're creating new religions.
We're creating new frameworks.
We're creating, you know, um, you know,
DEI, that is a, that's a religion, right?
That is a, that's a framework.
That's a culture, right?
And things like that to try
to make sense of this world.
Um, where the, the answer is
actually found in, in our faith.
I just wanted
Ps Adam: to, uh Great spiritual
spin on my little rant.
Arun: Just brought it back.
Something here for guys.
Yeah, I just wanted to talk about
one thing that you guys, um,
discussed on a, like one of the
earliest pods, um, in the Hyde Pod.
And actually Matt Throw it back.
It was a lot for me because it was during
a time when probably the first time in
my life that I was dealing with actual
burnout and you guys talked about, you
know, burnout and then you talked about
the reason of that is like the comparisons
that you put on, you know, your
situation to other people's situation.
And it was, and that moment
for me was really, really big.
And so I kind of wanted to touch on
a lot of this, um, talk about like
stress and anxiety, um, that you can,
that might be able to go through.
Depending on what your,
you know, state is.
If you're like a leader at a
company, you're building something.
Um, and so there's this post on Twitter
that I saw, uh, from Shane Parrish.
And he talked about Um, thinking
about this as like surface area.
So, um, the little that you have, you
know, this is like your surface area
when you have one home, you have a small
home, your first home, but then as you
start to grow, maybe it's like your
wealth, you have different investments.
Now you're so surface area growth.
You have all these different
investments that you have to manage.
Now you have a bigger house.
Bigger family all your surface
area continues to grow.
Yes, even your faith even as your faith
is growing you have to like balance Oh, I
need to justify this face to other people
So that grows the surface area and all
of this as you're trying to manage all
these things can bring about stress And
even as you grow bigger if you try and
scale that out you have like assistants
that take it on for you That just scales
your surface area, but doesn't like
abstract it away because you're still
having to manage what they're bringing in.
They're actually bringing
in more surface area.
Yes.
Um, so he talks about this idea
of what we really want, what
we really don't want is more.
We actually want less to be able to
focus on a few things really well.
Totally.
But what we think about when we're really
stressed is, oh, I wish I had more time.
Oh, for sure.
I wish I had more money.
I wish I had More of this, but
that's actually what's causing your
stress And so I just wanted to like
get your thought about it get your
thought about like the faith aspect
of it And then maybe we can help some
Ps Vance: people that are
dealing with this I mean, this
Ps Adam: is a great question
because I don't and I don't
know if anxiety is avoidable.
I think it's manageable I think you've
got to learn the skill of Handling
anxiety, you know, and that's why you
start small That's why you start with
one house because can I manage that
mortgage and if I can prove that I can
manage that mortgage Then let me add
another house an investment property.
You know, you don't get to just
go I want less because guess what?
You can't just decide I want less kids
You got you got kids and you're gonna
grow but the stress actually comes from
having more to lose That's where a lot
of anxiety comes from we used to say this
when we first started the church like
we were so risky Because we had nothing
to lose, but then you start getting
campuses finances people Properties
you actually have something to lose.
So it actually tempers the way that you
can risk and the bold decisions, right?
So so you've got to if you want to be
able to scale which I think is should
be the desire of growth Expansion you
have to get good at managing pressure
anxiety So it's not Wanting less, I think
it's being able to do more with less.
Okay.
So, okay.
I was just, someone asked me today in a
conversation, we're doing some mentoring
and they said, look, I'm seeing you like
pop up in this country, in this country.
You're always on a, on a flight.
You're meeting with all
your campus pastors.
How do you actually give them.
How is that time even effective
when you're in and out?
And I said, yeah, sure.
Like if I go in and have a meeting,
if I, if I rent a boardroom and we sit
over a board table and we go through
some strategies on how to build the
church, that time is not going to
be as effective as me deciding, you
know, when I go there, I'm doing life.
So we're going to actually go for a walk.
We're not sitting in a boardroom.
We'll go get a coffee.
We're going to go and eat some food.
Now guess what the
conversation is going to be.
It's going to be the same.
As I have with Vance here, where
we do life together all the time.
We go for a run, we go for
coffee, we go do something.
Well, we're going to start
talking strategies, business,
church building, but we're going
to do it while we're doing life.
So we're doubling effect.
I've got to do more with less.
While I've got a small time, I
can't just sit there and go, I
don't get to, I've got anxiety.
I don't get to know my campus
pastors or build with them.
No, let me do it all together.
So I think it actually teaches
you the pressure of anxiety.
It teaches you to be more effective with
Ps Vance: less time.
And I do think there's a trap in the
more in the sense that that more is
the thing that's going to help you
overcome the anxiousness, right?
I mean, I feel like I've been living
it the last three years of just
like in the VC back startup world.
It's kind of that, um, start a
factory model where you raise a
precede than a seed and then a
series a and a B and where I be now.
So praise God, you know.
But.
I always had at the back
of my mind, Oh, okay.
Like, all we have to do is hit
these milestones, these metrics.
We're going to unlock this next round of
funding and then, and then I'll be good.
You know, and I, you know, I'll
have a little bit less stress
and all that type of stuff.
And I was literally talking
to Kim the other day.
I was like, you know what?
Like.
We, we tell this to other people,
but I need to apply it to myself.
We're not going to have peace in this.
We just choose to have peace.
It's not going to come
from the series C now.
It's like, I'm convinced now.
It's like, it's not a, it's not
an amount in the bank account.
It's not a certain amount of customers.
It's not a milestone on our metric.
Praise God for those things that keep
us, um, Having an appetite for more.
I don't think more is wrong, but
the piece is not in the more.
Ps Adam: And I agree.
And I don't think, I don't know.
I'm not convinced that
anxiety comes from more.
No, I think anxiety comes from
you having more, but still seeing
somebody else has more exactly.
It's anxiety comes from.
Your, your perimeter or your perspective
of how many people, what they've
got compared to what you've got.
That is what builds the deficit
and the anxiety and you feel like
I should be further along or you
know, I'm so far behind the ball.
You know, I'm in my 30s
and I'm not married.
I don't have a house and all of
a sudden that gets you anxious.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
Yeah.
I learned something.
So first time ever in my life I'm
doing like a pretty disciplined
Bible in a year program.
I just, you know, we don't typically Teach
that or preach that at vive, but it's
just something I decided, you know what?
I want to do this personally, um, just
as a discipline in my life And you know,
i'm not even doing like a bible in three
months or anything But like honestly
a bible in a year if you're actually
like, um, digesting it doing a devo
with it It takes quite a bit of time,
like, I'm just like, Oh my goodness.
Like, there's like 45 minutes
in, I'm still going through this.
And for me, the way my personality
proclivity is, it's like, I'm, I'm
excited to get to the next thing.
I want to get stuff done.
I got a lot of goals, you
know, all that type of stuff.
This has been such a.
healthy discipline for me because
it's totally slowed down my morning.
Like I'm not getting to the next
thing until I finished this.
Right.
And it feels like a sacrifice.
It feels like a tithe of my day to God.
I think there's something spiritual in
that, but what I've learned from it is
that my goals are not shifting, right?
I'm still very ambitious.
I still going to get to that
thing, but maybe I get to it.
So whenever you actually lengthen, uh,
your timeline that you just kind of
created and conjured up yourself and you
submit it to God and be like, you know,
goals the same, maybe instead of in two
days, it's going to be in two months,
right, to, to reach that ambitious goal.
And I'm just using, you
know, random numbers.
Um, Anxiety just dissipates
and you're like, you know what?
Like that feels great.
You know, I'm, I'm not,
I'm not lessening myself.
I'm not going to lessen the goal
or the ambition, but I'm going
to put it in a framework of God's
timing, um, where he can bless it
and he can speak to me through it.
And the way my personality is wired.
My personality is wired.
I think the slowing down for me
actually makes me more methodical.
It makes me more effective.
Um, so, so that, that's where
I've felt anxious before.
It's like what you just said.
It's like, you just have these
timelines, this comparison timeline.
So I gotta, I gotta get to
this number by this age.
And you know, all that
Ps Adam: type of stuff.
You just did a really good parallel
between what's running and what's rushing.
So good.
Because I think you
need the freedom to run.
You know, if you want to run at some
goals, you want to run at life, run.
But if you're rushing just to get
things done, then you feel like it's
all slipping through your hands.
Good.
Um, you know, it's like if you try and
sometimes life feels like you grip in sand
and it's falling through your fingers.
Well, guess what?
Add some water to it.
Just add some structure to it add some
format and you'll build something with
the thing that's slipping through your
hand And I think you've got to just start
to think what's the thing I'm missing.
It's not doing less sand.
It's adding more
Ps Vance: water Mm hmm.
I love
Arun: that.
I think the really cool thing about what
you both you guys are saying is that
Like slowing down right like when you're
running this race and then we kind of
say we're doing it together But God's
timing for me is different than God's
timing for you sure for you, right?
And so if you can separate those things
Maybe you won't compare yourself to
somebody else because you'll be able to
understand that, you know, I just have to
work through this in my time because God
is gonna work it in my life at that time.
But it's just so hard to do sometimes
because like you said, it's like, I
think it's like maybe human nature,
but like it's almost tribal to be, the
more is good for in the group, right?
Like if I have more, it looks
better when I'm in a group.
But by myself, like, I just have more
and it can just lead to unhappiness.
Ps Adam: Yeah, I I mean, it's,
it's that, I think it was a
podcast you were on recently.
Uh, someone said a quote, I mean,
you can get through the rat race,
but at the end you're still a rat.
Yes!
Ps Vance: Our friend, uh, Lee Domingue.
I thought that
Ps Adam: was, I thought that
was brilliant because you've
got to get out of the rat race.
You've got to get into a different race.
So if you want to be in the rat race,
you'll still end up winning and be a rat.
You should be a winning rat.
Or do you want to get
into a different race?
So I don't think it's the running.
It's what race are you running?
Who are you competing against?
You're competing against the other
guy at the job or the other founder
or Are you just in the lane compared
to your calling in Christ Jesus?
So that's why Paul the
apostle said I run to win.
He didn't say do less He didn't say
hey, you know what guys let's not stress
Let's let's not have anxiety because
I have the daily burden of how the
churches are getting along But he's
like i'm gonna run this race to win
so he's not running against any other
minister or any other apostle, he's
running compared to the calling that's on
Ps Vance: his life.
And that is so brilliant because
you know what the comparison
thing is doing in our generation?
Um, like in this moment of
time is it's forcing everybody,
everybody to buy a cold plunge.
That's like literally what's happening.
It's like everybody wants to see.
Same morning routine right now.
It's like, maybe that's not
your morning routine, dude.
It's like, everybody's
like flexing there at 4 am.
I do morning meditation at 4 15.
I do a thousand pushups and at 4 30,
I do a cold plunge to wake up my nose.
Ps Adam: And it's like,
dude, what the heck?
To what you were talking about
before about the church app,
maybe there's a difference between
competition and comparison.
Good.
The church is stuck in comparison.
We need to get into competition
because competition is healthy.
Comparison is toxic.
Anxiety comes from
comparison, not competition.
Wow, that's
Arun: really good.
Ps Vance: I love that.
I like that.
We need sound effects.
Beam, beam, beam.
Yeah,
Arun: yeah.
That was a, that was a moment.
That was a moment.
That's huge.
And I think the, the last part I want to
talk about is how important this is, um,
for leaders because I think it comes down
to what you guys were saying where it's,
if you can, Take this in and slow down.
You won't be so reactive to you know,
what different changes are and we kind of
talked about it You know your personality
type is that you don't like dealing with
surprises you had to go through a season
You know kind of able to do that and as a
leader you are gonna have so many sorts of
surprises But as somebody that's following
a leader That leader has to be calm.
Shaq talks about it all the time.
If the general isn't panicking, you know,
your army won't be panicking, right?
If you are in the heat of it, the
guy at the front cannot be having
a panic attack because nobody else
is going to be able to follow that.
Nope.
Um, and so like, how do you
guys as leaders take this on?
Like what kind of, cause you
have to take this on, right?
Like.
You're at the front of the
lines, but, you know, how do you
guys take this on dissipated?
I
Ps Adam: always say if my
team's worrying, I'm not.
And if my team isn't worrying, I am.
Because as long as someone's worrying,
then I can be like, okay, let's come
because there's always a job to do.
Now I'm joking with the worrying.
I don't want him that stressed out,
but I want him to feel the pressure.
And I think what, uh, I want,
that's what helps me be calm
as long as they're concerned.
And they're caring about stuff.
Then I can focus on what's yet to come.
But if, if the team is, you
know, nonchalant, I'm like,
Hey, have we thought about this?
Have we, we, yeah.
Cause no one seems to be racing,
like the world's on fire.
And it.
How do you
Ps Vance: address that?
If, if you, if you discern that
somebody is not really concerned
enough, what do you, what are
some, what are some practical
Ps Adam: tools?
I start to ramp up the concern.
Okay.
Yep.
And then it flows on.
Mm.
So I'm.
I've got to use concern as a, as
a metric of speed, uh, diligence.
What are we doing?
Are we doing our job?
And so I think now the team knows
that if I'm getting concerned about
something, they better start, you
know, brushing their teeth and combing
their hair and figuring this out.
Like, Hey, let's, let's show up because,
you know, the pastor's really on this.
But I think that that's the job
of the, the, the leader doesn't
have to be calm all the time.
That's a myth.
If like, Okay, let's take, uh, you
know, let's take Stephen Curry and
the Warriors are down in a final.
We have ten points to go and we
literally got two minutes on the clock.
Yeah, he's rallying the
team up, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's not being like, hey
guys, let's just be calm.
And he's like, guys,
we are gonna make this.
Like, there's gonna be an urgency.
So sometimes you need to know when I push
the urgency because the team don't get it.
And when do I calm the ship?
I've got to have both gears dynamics.
I've got to be a dynamic leader.
And what does it's the zig when
everything's zigging you to zag.
It's that whole, I got to counteract
as a leader to balance the boat.
Arun: Right.
And, but, and then as you're going
through it, like just keeping the
Steph Curry example, how you bring
that urgency is very important, right?
With a positive kind of.
It can't be like you're
doing a really bad job.
And this is the moment when
I need to tell you that
Ps Adam: it's sometimes people
need to know that though.
Let's stop padding people.
Let's stop padding the environment
of our workplace to be like, Hey,
it's not that you're doing a bad
job, but you could do better.
No, you suck.
Right now.
Okay.
And I'm carrying extra
load because you suck.
So what if we get better together?
Right.
So I think what, what, What Steph is
going to call out is, is that sometimes
just get me the ball and I'll put it in
because the goal is more important than
you feeling empowered as a basketball
Ps Vance: player right now, right?
Kobe told people he's
like, yeah, that's true.
Ps Adam: And at the end of the day there,
uh, I think at the same time he needs
to rally urgency, but reinforce victory.
We're going to win.
There you go.
There you go.
I'm sure he is not gonna sit there
with 10 seconds or 10, you know,
two minutes to go and be like,
guys, I just don't want to lose.
Right.
Right.
He's, I wanna win.
Right.
So the motivation isn't negative.
Like, guys, I just, I
can't walk outta here.
Loser.
Mm-Hmm.
. I can't walk outta here losing this game.
And it was like, we're
gonna walk outta here.
Victor victorious.
Yeah.
I need a winning team right now.
Mm-Hmm.
, can you step up to the plate?
Mm-Hmm.
.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
That, that's a good tool right there.
Like, you're better than this.
Yes.
Ps Adam: Call 'em higher.
We're the championship team, right?
Mm-Hmm.
, you know.
Two minutes are going to determine
whether the championship team, but I see
this as the championship team right now.
So let's act like it, let's
act like we've already won.
That mentality is calling the team higher.
Ps Vance: The greatest compliment
that you can have for somebody is to.
Expect more from them, right?
It's to expect as much from them.
And it's
Ps Adam: different from saying, Hey, I see
you as a champion, no matter what we do.
No, no, no.
Cause if we lose, you literally, I
can't say I see you as the champ because
we're not, but right now I believe we
have the potential to be championship.
Yeah.
Are you a
Ps Vance: coach, a leader,
CEO, or are you that ref?
Yeah, CEO, where you're, you're trying
to block out all the defense and
make it calm environment and it's,
it's going to be all okay, guys.
Like the economy is actually fine.
Um, no, no worries,
but please do your job.
Um, Hey, actually here's a free shot.
You know, he's like, no,
that's not how the world works.
Ps Adam: I mean, you think about how,
how it works, whether it's LeBron, uh,
whether it's, uh, Steph, everybody knows.
Get the ball.
They're gonna get the ball to that player.
Oh, yeah, but we still get the ball to
that player Because it's in their hands.
It's as good as in Everyone knows stack
your defense like they'll leave men open.
Yes And Steph will have three
people on him, but we'll still
get the ball to Steph So it's not
a surprise what we're gonna do.
He's just got a victorious mentality.
Mm hmm.
Ps Vance: So good.
Oh, that's
Arun: really good I had some
follow ups but That's it.
If you, if you restate the goal and
that's the goal, no matter what, you
don't have to know your audience.
You don't have to treat
anybody a little differently.
But you gotta just restate
the goal and if the goal is a
Ps Vance: focus, you're good.
That's what I love about this pod.
You know, I had three people come up
to me literally this past Sunday and
I was so encouraged by it that Uh,
we're saying they've been following the
podcast, the hype podcast specifically,
it's been a blessing to their life.
All three people wanted to reinforce
to me that they never saw themselves
as an entrepreneurial type person.
They never saw themselves as a tech
person, but they love this podcast
because it gives them a window.
It gives them kind of
breadcrumbs into understanding
this world a little bit more.
And it's not like we were like, Oh, okay,
we got to do a demographic, psychographic
analysis so that we can speak the
language of whoever we're targeting.
So we're going to have these conversations
and we're going to allow people.
We're going to just assume that
they're smart and they have an
appetite and they're going to
want to dig in and learn more.
And so shout out to all the people
that are listening and thank you for.
Continue to tell us that you're
listening because it's encouraging.
Um, because it does feel like,
um, a really cool format to be
able to communicate some of these
Ps Adam: ideas.
Can we, uh, invite them then to flow con?
Ps Vance: Flow con March 6th.
So, uh, overflow.
com slash flow con.
Um, there is all the
information on there right now.
It's live.
It is live and check this out.
There is a double header session event.
Yeah, one is going to be
on scaling scale masters.
Another one is going to be on values
and ventures and check this out.
We have a star studded lineup.
Some of these people, you might not
recognize their name, but that's okay.
Because the, their achievements,
what they've been able to pioneer
in the kingdom, um, is incredible.
And so, uh, we have Pastor Dino Rizzo.
He is the president
and executive director.
We'll put in the show notes.
Um, yeah, there you go.
Flow overflow.
com slash flow con.
He is the executive director of.
Arc churches, literally in the past
decade, plus they've launched over
a thousand churches in America.
There's about 5, 000 churches,
a part of their network.
Their reach is in the tens of thousands.
Globally, we got Jen's Jacob
executive producer of after death.
Yes.
Um, he's done a couple
other Hollywood films.
Literally his movies are in,
thousands of theaters have been Yeah.
Distributed to thousands
of theaters across America.
Also, founder of a tech
company called saturation.io.
Yep.
With some big investors coming in there.
Uh, who else?
Lisa.
Lisa Lambert.
Ps Adam: Lisa Lambert.
I mean, she's a, uh, she's a, an investor.
Um, and she, she runs a $3 billion fund.
Incredible.
She's ex, uh, I think WNBA player
as well or college basketball, one
of the two, but, uh, she's just
an incredible human being and, uh,
part of our church in San Jose.
Um, but we've also got Mackie Saturday,
Ps Vance: brand genius.
Yes.
Uh, one of the brand architects, uh,
creators of identities Instagram.
Yep.
Affirm.
These are iconic brands that he's
a venture capitalist now too.
And he's a VC.
He's actually on our board at overflow.
So I know him pretty well.
I mean, this lineup, it's going
to be incredible if you are a
pastor, um, or a church leader.
That, you know, might feel
stuck and you need to get in
the atmosphere of innovation.
You got to get unstuck.
You got to learn how to scale.
You got to be in the room.
If you're a CEO, if you're an
entrepreneur, if you're a startup guy
or girl, if you are an innovator, if
you are just maybe on the sidelines,
wanting to peek in, this is for you.
It's literally only 50,
Ps Adam: 50 bucks plus.
One, something that we actually really
intentionally do is connection time.
We make networking a priority because how
often do you get to be around like another
couple of hundred super intelligent
people that you could make a connection
with who may be that one connection
away from your breakthrough, from your
next business, or just somebody that you
need in your world that you didn't know
who's going to illuminate something.
You need to be.
At the
Ps Vance: event, you
have to be in the room.
You gotta be at the event.
You gotta be in the lobbies.
Yeah, you gotta be part of Wednesday
night after all the sessions.
Kingdom Network party.
Yeah.
We got food trucks coming in.
Yes.
The lobbies, the parking lot's gonna
be just filled with like-minded
people wanting to change the world.
Yep.
And like Pastor Adam says, you're
one connection away from your
breakthrough, but this is gonna be.
Uh, uh, you know, a two parter
because the next day Vive Run Club,
which has gotten kind of mini viral.
Oh, it's out of control.
It is out of control.
Ps Adam: Hey, this morning's
run, bro, I'm telling you, Vince
is on another level of fitness.
No, no, no, I'm not.
My goodness.
They were hitting like a seven
minute mile pace this morning.
I couldn't even
Ps Vance: keep up.
Oh man.
We did six miles.
Pastor Adam had us on this trail around
Google, so we had a Google group run.
Yeah.
It was fast.
It was fast.
It was fun.
And here's the thing, we're going to do
that event, uh, collectively, anybody that
wants to join in, uh, the morning after
with an exclusive, uh, pastors and leaders
lunch, um, or breakfast actually with
me, pastor, and some of our guests that
are flying in a more intimate setting.
If you want to add that onto
your registration, but overflow.
Ps Adam: com.
I think we'll probably at that one,
talk about the relationship of a pastor
and a business leader in the church.
That'd be important.
That's something that I think we would
love to dialogue with and we've helped
people out before, you know, around
that dynamic and that relationship.
Ps Vance: That partnership is
so important in the kingdom.
Yeah.
It really is.
It cannot be underestimated.
We need more.
We need more people that
Ps Adam: are thinking that way.
And, uh, had to do it successfully.
So yeah, that'll be fun.
Are there a limited
Ps Vance: number of tickets for this?
I
Ps Adam: think we're going to cap it at
somewhere between two and three hundred.
Ps Vance: Yes.
We're still figuring that out.
Ooh, you gotta sign up.
Yes.
Yeah.
I think actually, um, you know,
uh, there's already probably a
hundred that's been reserved.
Um, and we just kind of launched it
through some of our private channels.
And so if you're listening
to this, you should go to the
website now and just register.
You got early access.
You got to get in there.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Uh, legal be in the show
notes, but overflow.
co forward slash flow con.
Ps Vance: Yes.
Flowcon, Hype Network
Session, Doubleheader.
It's gonna be so fun.
Doubleheader.
Arun: Let's go.
I'm gonna be training
for that Vibe Run Club.
I wanted to come today, but I'm too
Ps Adam: slow.
We're gonna run casual.
We'll run casual.
Ps Vance: We'll run casual.
Yeah, we'll have different groups.
I'm
Arun: working on it.
I'm doing everything.
Every day, something new is hurting.
Oh,
Ps Adam: that's excellent though.
I'm getting there.
You're
Arun: working your way through the kinks.
I'm working my way through the kinks.
You look good, man.
Thank you, man.
You look really good.
Man, I love this podcast.
I come here for the compliments.
All right, guys.
Great pod.
God bless.